From h.baumgartl at chello.nl  Wed Jul  3 14:05:04 2002
From: h.baumgartl at chello.nl (Henry Baumgartl)
Date: Wed Jul  3 14:05:04 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] no images
Message-ID: <002001c222d5$353f1420$837e3850@dkn02>

Hello all,

Just managed to successfully install MoinMoin on a Linux(SuSE 7.3) / apache server.
Everything works fine, except that there are no images on the pages returned to the browser.

Do i need to add the /img directory as an extra Alias?

Your assistance will be much appreciated ;-)

Best Regards,
Henry
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From bragiba at simi.is  Thu Jul  4 01:42:06 2002
From: bragiba at simi.is (bragiba at simi.is)
Date: Thu Jul  4 01:42:06 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] no images
Message-ID: <OF5832BC81.59499E46-ON00256BEC.002F9402-00256BEC.002FB562@simi.is>


Hi:

You must set you url_prefix = '/wiki' and then your wiki alias should point
you in the right direction
in my case the wiki alias is:
/usr/local/share/moin/htdocs/

underneath htdocs is all the moin stuff including the /img dir


Me? kve?ju/Best Regards
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Hello all,

Just managed to successfully install MoinMoin on a Linux(SuSE 7.3) / apache
server.
Everything works fine, except that there are no images on the pages
returned to the browser.

Do i need to add the /img directory as an extra Alias?

Your assistance will be much appreciated ;-)

Best Regards,
Henry



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From h.baumgartl at chello.nl  Thu Jul  4 02:18:05 2002
From: h.baumgartl at chello.nl (Henry Baumgartl)
Date: Thu Jul  4 02:18:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] no images
References: <OF5832BC81.59499E46-ON00256BEC.002F9402-00256BEC.002FB562@simi.is>
Message-ID: <000701c2233b$ae715220$837e3850@dkn02>

Hi there,

That is what I had done. Except that my Alias pointed to
/usr/share/moin/htdocs instead of /usr/share/moin/htdocs/

Thank You!

Regards
Henry

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To: "Henry Baumgartl" <h.baumgartl at chello.nl>
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Subject: Re: [Moin-user] no images


>
> Hi:
>
> You must set you url_prefix = '/wiki' and then your wiki alias should
point
> you in the right direction
> in my case the wiki alias is:
> /usr/local/share/moin/htdocs/
>
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From francois at iecholden.com  Sat Jul  6 14:27:01 2002
From: francois at iecholden.com (Francois Meehan)
Date: Sat Jul  6 14:27:01 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] instructions, installation of gdchart
Message-ID: <2788.24.201.116.74.1025990792.squirrel@mtclof01.iecholden.com>

Hi,

Finally I figured it out, I have created the doc on how to do it, and I would like to post it on the MoinMoin site.

1) Are we allowed to do that?

2) If yes, I can I create a document without having to put it's wiki word on MoinMoin frontpage???


Regards,

Francois Meehan
IEC Holden, francois at iecholden.com
Tel: 514 735-4371 ext 263





From lele at seldati.it  Sat Jul  6 15:46:02 2002
From: lele at seldati.it (Lele Gaifax)
Date: Sat Jul  6 15:46:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] instructions, installation of gdchart
In-Reply-To: <2788.24.201.116.74.1025990792.squirrel@mtclof01.iecholden.com>
References: <2788.24.201.116.74.1025990792.squirrel@mtclof01.iecholden.com>
Message-ID: <15655.29467.410148.233957@paci.nautilus>

>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:26:32 -0400 (EDT), "Francois Meehan" <francois at iecholden.com> said:

    FM> Hi, Finally I figured it out, I have created the doc on how to
    FM> do it, and I would like to post it on the MoinMoin site.

    FM> 1) Are we allowed to do that?

Yes, of course. Maybe it's better if you start your own wiki page and,
at least initially, write your notes there. Then Juergen may
eventually find the right place where it fits.

    FM> 2) If yes, I can I create a document without having to put
    FM> it's wiki word on MoinMoin frontpage???

You can do this by simply adding the page name in the URL, or by using
the last entry in the FindPage.

bye, lele.
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nickname: Lele Gaifax	| Quando vivro' di quello che ho pensato ieri
real: Emanuele Gaifas	| comincero' ad aver paura di chi mi copia.
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From adam at personaltelco.net  Sun Jul  7 18:27:01 2002
From: adam at personaltelco.net (Adam Shand)
Date: Sun Jul  7 18:27:01 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] partial page includes.
Message-ID: <1026091592.682.444.camel@heyzeus>

I'm working with Seth on enhancing the Include macro to be able to abort
when it see's  "----". This would be really nice for our site (for
example I could include the most recent X entries from our RecentNews
page on our FrontPage and adjust what's included by just moving the
first "----").

He poked around the source for me but not being familiar with Moin had
some questions.  Anyway, I was hoping for some input on how best to go
about doing this.  Below are his thoughts on the matter:

"You could modify get_raw_body() in Page class to do read lines and then
do a string.index('----') to find if each and every line has that
string, if it does then stop reading.  But it's going to do that with
EVERY page that get's loaded. unless you modified it to pass a flag on
when to do it and when not to. What I *think* is supposed to happen is
you're supposed to build a formatter instance and the formatter will be
applied to the page during it's loading, before it gets sent to the
client via the Page.SendPage() def."

Thanks,
Adam.

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From jriveramerla at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  9 11:46:01 2002
From: jriveramerla at yahoo.com (Jose Rivera)
Date: Tue Jul  9 11:46:01 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat  ??
Message-ID: <20020709184524.96580.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi...
I get thiserror:
Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat 
!!??
when I want to see the url: http:\\127.0.0.1\mywiki

What it's wrong? Thanks for your help... in advance.

I'm on WinNT, Apache, Python 2.1 and this scenario:

I installed mywiki on "d:\tools\moin\mywiki"
Python -> d:\tools\python21\python.exe
Apache -> d:\tools\ApacheGroup\Apache2

This is the configiuraction files:

httpd.conf (last 3 lines):
Location: "d:\Tools\Apache Group\Apache2\conf"
----------------------------------------------
SetEnv PYTHONPATH "d:\tools\moin" 
Alias /mywiki/ "d:\Tools\Moin\share\moin\htdocs\" 
ScriptAlias /mywiki "d:\Tools\Moin\mywiki\moin.bat"

Moin.BAT (ALL the Lines) Location:
"d:\Tools\Moin\mywiki"
------------------------
@echo off 
set PYTHONPATH=d:\Tools\Moin
D: 
cd \Tools\Moin\mywiki 
d:\Tools\Python21\python.exe moin.cgi 

Moin_Config.py (located at:d:\Tools\Moin\mywiki)
---------------
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From jh at web.de  Tue Jul  9 13:12:10 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Tue Jul  9 13:12:10 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat  ??
In-Reply-To: <20020709184524.96580.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E17S1Kb-0003Xq-00@smtp.web.de>

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:45:24 -0700 (PDT), Jose Rivera wrote:

>when I want to see the url: http:\\127.0.0.1\mywiki

URLs use forward slashes,,,

Anyway, try to append ?test to it.


Ciao, J?rgen





From jriveramerla at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  9 16:33:02 2002
From: jriveramerla at yahoo.com (Jose Rivera)
Date: Tue Jul  9 16:33:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat  ??
In-Reply-To: <E17S1Kb-0003Xq-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <20020709233256.44556.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com>

You are right about the slashes... I tried again and I
keep getting the error:

Server error!
Error message: 
Premature end of script headers: moin.bat 
If you think this is a server error, please contact
the webmaster 
Error 500
127.0.0.1 
07/09/02 18:30:26 

Thanks ...

--- Juergen Hermann <jh at web.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:45:24 -0700 (PDT), Jose Rivera
> wrote:
> 
> >when I want to see the url: http:\\127.0.0.1\mywiki
> 
> URLs use forward slashes,,,
> 
> Anyway, try to append ?test to it.
> 
> 
> Ciao, J?rgen
> 
> 


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From j.her at t-online.de  Tue Jul  9 19:04:02 2002
From: j.her at t-online.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Tue Jul  9 19:04:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat  ??
In-Reply-To: <20020709233256.44556.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17S6ou-12KtRwC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com>

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:32:56 -0700 (PDT), Jose Rivera wrote:

>You are right about the slashes... I tried again and I
>keep getting the error:

Which still does not tell us what happens when you append the ?test
parameter.

Ciao, J?rgen





From wa7nwp at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  9 19:14:02 2002
From: wa7nwp at yahoo.com (Bill Vodall - WA7NWP)
Date: Tue Jul  9 19:14:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Search engines...
In-Reply-To: <17S6ou-12KtRwC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com>
References: <20020709233256.44556.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020709191031.00b766d0@pioneernet.net>

Having ones MoinMoin pages indexed by a search engine or two
isn't a bad thing..

Having the same search engine follow all the links on the MoinMoin pages
for such targets as PRINT, VIEW and EDIT isn't a good thing...

Has anybody found a clean way to deal with this?

Thanks,
Bill




From jh at web.de  Tue Jul  9 19:45:04 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Tue Jul  9 19:45:04 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Search engines...
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020709191031.00b766d0@pioneernet.net>
Message-ID: <E17S7Sp-0002bP-00@smtp.web.de>

On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:12:56 -0700, Bill Vodall - WA7NWP wrote:

>Having the same search engine follow all the links on the MoinMoin pages
>for such targets as PRINT, VIEW and EDIT isn't a good thing...
>
>Has anybody found a clean way to deal with this?

There is no immediate solution, since robots.txt does prefix matching only 
(which is bad).


Ciao, J?rgen





From jh at web.de  Tue Jul  9 20:01:05 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Tue Jul  9 20:01:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Search engines...
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020709191031.00b766d0@pioneernet.net>
Message-ID: <E17S7id-0007v7-00@smtp.web.de>

On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:12:56 -0700, Bill Vodall - WA7NWP wrote:

>Has anybody found a clean way to deal with this?

There IS an easy way, btw. 

Point the things to TitleIndex, and have all other pages (maybe except 
FrontPage) contain a NOFOLLOW meta tag. Now the question is which 
spiders adhere to meta.


Ciao, J?rgen





From wa7nwp at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  9 22:02:05 2002
From: wa7nwp at yahoo.com (Bill Vodall - WA7NWP)
Date: Tue Jul  9 22:02:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Search engines...
In-Reply-To: <E17S7id-0007v7-00@smtp.web.de>
References: <4.2.0.58.20020709191031.00b766d0@pioneernet.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020709215924.00b7a220@pioneernet.net>

>
>Point the things to TitleIndex, and have all other pages (maybe except 
>FrontPage) contain a NOFOLLOW meta tag. Now the question is which 
>spiders adhere to meta.

NOFOLLOW is a good idea.  We have ipchains to deal with
spiders that don't observe the meta tags or robots.txt.

Thanks.

Bill




From jriveramerla at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 10 08:46:05 2002
From: jriveramerla at yahoo.com (Jose Rivera)
Date: Wed Jul 10 08:46:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat  ??
In-Reply-To: <17S6ou-12KtRwC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com>
Message-ID: <20020710154558.97462.qmail@web20514.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry...  I tried with the ?test appended.
like this:
http://127.0.0.1/mywiki?test
 and returns:
----------------------------
Server error!
Error message: 
Premature end of script headers: moin.bat 
If you think this is a server error, please contact
the webmaster 
Error 500
127.0.0.1 
07/10/02 10:46:08 



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From Hans.Yandle at cingular.com  Wed Jul 10 09:46:17 2002
From: Hans.Yandle at cingular.com (Yandle, Hans)
Date: Wed Jul 10 09:46:17 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat
	  ??
Message-ID: <D31B04F24EDE7644BB169BB4F080778A01F4C506@s30342g004005>

I believe I have encountered a similar situation, however with the use of
Python 2.2 instead of your 2.1. I had to append the moin environment path to
the pythonpath environment variable. The Apache log files helped me
determine what the problem was. The following is my working moin.bat file:

C:\Moin\mywiki\moin.bat:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
@echo off
set PYTHONPATH=%PYTHONPATH%;C:\Moin\Lib\site-packages
C:
cd \Moin\mywiki
C:\Python22\python.exe moin.cgi

Windows System Environment Variables:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PYTHONPATH=.\;C:\Python22;C:\Python22\Lib;C:\Python22\DLLs
PYTHONHOME=C:\Python22


In your case using D:\Tools\Python21 and D:\Tools\Moin\mywiki, the above
would be:

D:\Tools\Moin\mywiki\moin.bat:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
@echo off
set PYTHONPATH=%PYTHONPATH%;D:\Tools\Moin\Lib\site-packages

D:
cd \Tools\Moin\mywiki
D:\Tools\Python21\python.exe moin.cgi

Windows System Environment Variables:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PYTHONPATH=.\;D:\Tools\Python21;C:\Tools\Python21\Lib;C:\Python21\DLLs
PYTHONHOME=D:\Tools\Python21


I did not need to add the "SetEnv PYTHONPATH "d:\tools\moin" line to
httpd.conf because between my system environment and moin.bat file the paths
were known. Remember, a reboot may be required to allow your system services
to use the new system environment (you could just stop/restart all of them
but rebooting is so much easier).

If this does not help, try including the associated apache logs.

Regards,

Hans


-----Original Message-----
From: Jose Rivera [mailto:jriveramerla at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:45 PM
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Moin-user] Error: Premature end of script headers: moin.bat ??


Hi...
I get thiserror:
Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat 
!!??
when I want to see the url: http:\\127.0.0.1\mywiki

What it's wrong? Thanks for your help... in advance.

I'm on WinNT, Apache, Python 2.1 and this scenario:

I installed mywiki on "d:\tools\moin\mywiki"
Python -> d:\tools\python21\python.exe
Apache -> d:\tools\ApacheGroup\Apache2

This is the configiuraction files:

httpd.conf (last 3 lines):
Location: "d:\Tools\Apache Group\Apache2\conf"
----------------------------------------------
SetEnv PYTHONPATH "d:\tools\moin" 
Alias /mywiki/ "d:\Tools\Moin\share\moin\htdocs\" 
ScriptAlias /mywiki "d:\Tools\Moin\mywiki\moin.bat"

Moin.BAT (ALL the Lines) Location:
"d:\Tools\Moin\mywiki"
------------------------
@echo off 
set PYTHONPATH=d:\Tools\Moin
D: 
cd \Tools\Moin\mywiki 
d:\Tools\Python21\python.exe moin.cgi 

Moin_Config.py (located at:d:\Tools\Moin\mywiki)
---------------
... A lot of lines...






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From jh at web.de  Wed Jul 10 11:52:05 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed Jul 10 11:52:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Error:  Premature end of script headers: moin.bat  ??
In-Reply-To: <20020709184524.96580.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E17SMZ3-0008Dh-00@smtp.web.de>

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:45:24 -0700 (PDT), Jose Rivera wrote:

>Alias /mywiki/ "d:\Tools\Moin\share\moin\htdocs\" 
>ScriptAlias /mywiki "d:\Tools\Moin\mywiki\moin.bat"

I did not spot this earlier, because the docs EXPLICITELY warn about 
it. You named BOTH aliases the same, which is a no-no.


Ciao, J?rgen





From bragiba at simi.is  Thu Jul 11 02:44:02 2002
From: bragiba at simi.is (bragiba at simi.is)
Date: Thu Jul 11 02:44:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] User access to certain pages
Message-ID: <OFCDB3955A.53C66829-ON00256BF3.00353B42-00256BF3.0035647F@simi.is>


I know this was discussed here some time ago.  But I am having a hard time
finding it in the archives so I?ll raise it again.

Does anyone have a solution on allowing write/read access to certain pages
only to certain users?

Me? kve?ju/Best Regards
Bragi Baldursson
GPRS Kerfisverkfr??ingur/GPRS Systems Engineer
S?mi/Tel.:  +354 550 63 08    mailto:bragiba at siminn.is
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From wa7nwp at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 11 09:02:04 2002
From: wa7nwp at yahoo.com (Bill Vodall - WA7NWP)
Date: Thu Jul 11 09:02:04 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] User access to certain pages
In-Reply-To: <OFCDB3955A.53C66829-ON00256BF3.00353B42-00256BF3.0035647F@
 simi.is>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020711085425.00a77160@pioneernet.net>

>
>Does anyone have a solution on allowing write/read access to certain pages
>only to certain users?

I use the Apache page restriction features.  My notes are on the lower portion of
the page at:

    http://www.jnos.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/InstallingMoin

Bill




From jh at web.de  Thu Jul 11 09:43:02 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Jul 11 09:43:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Security fixes in Rev 1.160
Message-ID: <E17Sh1P-0004J9-00@smtp.web.de>

Hi!

You are advised to update to current CVS or the tag REVISION_1_160, 
which contains fixes for two cross-site scripting vulnerabilities 
reported by "Yuki".


Ciao, J?rgen





From jh at web.de  Thu Jul 11 09:43:02 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Jul 11 09:43:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Spider problem
Message-ID: <E17Sh1Q-0004J9-00@smtp.web.de>

Hi!

Another way to solve the spider problem is to simply reject any non-std 
pages to spider User-Agents. So please put the UserAgents of your 
favourite spiders on

http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/WebSpiders

so I can set up a default config list for them.

To get at the U-A fields, simply check your event log.


Ciao, J?rgen





From whisper at oz.net  Thu Jul 11 11:46:01 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Thu Jul 11 11:46:01 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Link questions.
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEKELEDPAA.whisper@oz.net>

Hi;

Is there a way to:

* Make a single word a link?

* use brackets to enclose a local link (page name)?

TIA,

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA 



From jh at web.de  Thu Jul 11 11:55:04 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Jul 11 11:55:04 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Link questions.
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEKELEDPAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <E17Sj52-0006l0-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:44:35 -0700, David LeBlanc wrote:

>* Make a single word a link?

["..."]

>* use brackets to enclose a local link (page name)?

[wiki:Self:bleh blah]

RTFM. ;>


Ciao, J?rgen





From whisper at oz.net  Thu Jul 11 12:18:14 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Thu Jul 11 12:18:14 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Link questions.
In-Reply-To: <E17Sj52-0006l0-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOECELIDPAA.whisper@oz.net>

I did RTFM - get a better manual! :P

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Juergen
> Hermann
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:55
> To: David LeBlanc; Moin-User at Lists. Sourceforge. Net
> Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Link questions.
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:44:35 -0700, David LeBlanc wrote:
>
> >* Make a single word a link?
>
> ["..."]
>
> >* use brackets to enclose a local link (page name)?
>
> [wiki:Self:bleh blah]
>
> RTFM. ;>
>
>
> Ciao, J?rgen
>
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From whisper at oz.net  Thu Jul 11 15:28:01 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Thu Jul 11 15:28:01 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Link questions.
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOECELIDPAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEEEMCDPAA.whisper@oz.net>

Err, that was too rude of me. I do appreciate your going to the trouble of
answering the question.

I did read over the online docs, especially the link help and did not find
this information so that's why I asked.

Sincerely,

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David LeBlanc [mailto:whisper at oz.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:18
> To: Juergen Hermann; Moin-User at Lists. Sourceforge. Net
> Subject: RE: [Moin-user] Link questions.
>
>
> I did RTFM - get a better manual! :P
>
> David LeBlanc
> Seattle, WA USA
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> > [mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Juergen
> > Hermann
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:55
> > To: David LeBlanc; Moin-User at Lists. Sourceforge. Net
> > Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Link questions.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:44:35 -0700, David LeBlanc wrote:
> >
> > >* Make a single word a link?
> >
> > ["..."]
> >
> > >* use brackets to enclose a local link (page name)?
> >
> > [wiki:Self:bleh blah]
> >
> > RTFM. ;>
> >
> >
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> >
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From whisper at oz.net  Thu Jul 11 17:46:02 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Thu Jul 11 17:46:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEMIDPAA.whisper@oz.net>

Add python's faq-o-matic functionality to moinmoin.

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA 



From j.her at t-online.de  Thu Jul 11 18:08:04 2002
From: j.her at t-online.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Jul 11 18:08:04 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEMIDPAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <17Sotv-2GujsuC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:45:49 -0700, David LeBlanc wrote:

>Add python's faq-o-matic functionality to moinmoin.

Be more vague, please. ;)

Actually, you might be lucky in the sense that we plan to deploy some
faq-o-matic thing at web.de.

Ciao, J?rgen





From whisper at oz.net  Thu Jul 11 19:20:10 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Thu Jul 11 19:20:10 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <17Sotv-2GujsuC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEMLDPAA.whisper@oz.net>

To be precise:

* There is a python script called faqwizard. It is in the tools/faqwiz in
the Python source distribution.

* It is used (at least on http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw.py?req=home) to
support user-maintained online faqs.

* Integrating this script, or it's functionality, into MoinMoin would be a
Good Thing.

Specific functionality:

* Add a FAQ entry. Provide for adding a new section.
* Delete a FAQ entry. Provide for removing empty sections.
* Rename a section.
* FAQ Recent Changes.
* FAQ Index - Section headings and questions only.
* Whole FAQ - The whole FAQ on one page.
* Editing FAQ's:

A typical FAQ entry:
-----
1.2. Why is it called Python?
Apart from being a computer scientist, I'm also a fan of "Monty Python's
Flying Circus" (a BBC comedy series from the seventies, in the --
unlikely -- case you didn't know). It occurred to me one day that I needed a
name that was short, unique, and slightly mysterious. And I happened to be
reading some scripts from the series at the time... So then I decided to
call my language Python.
By now I don't care any more whether you use a Python, some other snake, a
foot or 16-ton weight, or a wood rat as a logo for Python!

Edit this entry / Log info / Last changed on Thu Aug 24 00:50:41 2000 by GvR
-----
"Edit this entry" and "Log info" are links to a single faq item editor and a
diff page. This differs from current MoinMoin functionality in that a single
section of a page is being edited instead of the whole (probably large)
page. The auto-signing for logged in users (or "guest" for non-logged users)
is a big plus I wish MoinMoin did on all edits.

FAQ Storage:
Each FAQ Item has a unique numeric identifier, presumably based on the order
it was added (to the FAQ, or to just the section?). FAQ items, each in their
own file, are automatically assembled into the page or pages viewed by the
user. (Doubtful that caching could be of use here, unless it's a high-volume
FAQ - and then it's going to have expired pages in the cache frequently
anyway). That faq items are each in their own file is a plus for uses like
generating custom pages based on a search, displaying single sections etc.

It would be nice if it could actually use the file/storage format(s)
(whatever they are) that FAQWiz uses for interoperability.

I hope you don't find this too vague: can I have it a week from Tuesday
please? :P)

Oh yeah, and web.de didn't make me feel lucky ;-)

Regards,

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA

PS: I have a bet with myself about what you're going to say Juergen - I look
forward to seeing if I'm right :-)

PS2: While you're at it, how about adding the
http://www.seapig.org/MainPageMoinMoin blarg plugin into the standard
distribution? :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Juergen
> Hermann
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 18:08
> To: David LeBlanc; Moin-User at Lists. Sourceforge. Net
> Subject: Re: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:45:49 -0700, David LeBlanc wrote:
>
> >Add python's faq-o-matic functionality to moinmoin.
>
> Be more vague, please. ;)
>
> Actually, you might be lucky in the sense that we plan to deploy some
> faq-o-matic thing at web.de.
>
> Ciao, J?rgen
>
>
>
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From whisper at oz.net  Thu Jul 11 19:50:05 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Thu Jul 11 19:50:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] How do I add a new kind of page handler.
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEEEMNDPAA.whisper@oz.net>

I have an idea for an "anounce-o-matic" page for the python.org MM wiki.

The idea would be that a user would click on a link that takes them to a
template page. This page consists of a multi-part form with input for
describing the new thing (event, software, whatever).

Input data would be converted into either a standard page with  link(s) from
a category or categories selected by the user; or used to update an existing
page if it exists.

One nice option would be to format and forward the input as a post on (in
this case) comp.lang.python.announce. I think this feature will encourage
developers to use this feature, since they both update the (just started)
Python software catalog _and_ get an announcement into c.l.p.a at the same
time.

I can see that using MM's existing template page system could work for
displaying the form, but where do I put the handler for the result of the
form? If I missed something in the documentation, please point me at it.

Any help anyone can offer for this would be vastly appreciated. I hope to
get this on the python.org python wiki at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonInfo (in redevelopment, so
there are some rough spots).

I think this will be a great service to the Python community!

Any intrested pythonistas, pythoneers, pygeeks or even normal people should
come on over to the URL above and jump right in! (BTW, I already mailed one
person about getting the MM s/w updated.)

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA




From jh at web.de  Thu Jul 11 20:23:03 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Jul 11 20:23:03 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] How do I add a new kind of page handler.
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEEEMNDPAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <E17Sr0T-000646-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:49:29 -0700, David LeBlanc wrote:

>I can see that using MM's existing template page system could work for
>displaying the form, but where do I put the handler for the result of the
>form? If I missed something in the documentation, please point me at it.

Actually, it's not (only) the template system that is of help here, but the 
userform system. The only catch is that it's half finished, but if you help with 
it, it can be completed in reasonable time (say 2-4 weeks).

The thing that is finished is freely defining a form in a not too easy, but also 
not too hard way, and displaying such form definitions, What is missing is 
actually taking the submitted form data and processing it.

A sample is on

http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/moin/moin.cgi/WeblogForm

and maybe you meant that by "template page system".

>http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonInfo (in redevelopment, so
>there are some rough spots).

So that one is revived? Great!


Ciao, J?rgen





From jh at web.de  Thu Jul 11 20:25:02 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Jul 11 20:25:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin in a tie :)
Message-ID: <E17Sr2I-0008GB-00@smtp.web.de>

Hi!

I want to poll your opinion on raising the minimum Python version to 
2.2.1 (i.e. Python in a Tie) _AFTER_ the next release. Who would see a 
problem with that?


Ciao, J?rgen





From bragiba at simi.is  Fri Jul 12 01:46:06 2002
From: bragiba at simi.is (bragiba at simi.is)
Date: Fri Jul 12 01:46:06 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin in a tie :)
Message-ID: <OF5CB643A6.8F75291B-ON00256BF4.003005DE-00256BF4.0030165A@simi.is>


I have no problems with that...
I think releases should be very specific on what versions they use.   You
need to put that on your homepage what version of python the current
tarball is using.


Me? kve?ju/Best Regards
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Hi!

I want to poll your opinion on raising the minimum Python version to
2.2.1 (i.e. Python in a Tie) _AFTER_ the next release. Who would see a
problem with that?


Ciao, J?rgen




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From adam at personaltelco.net  Fri Jul 12 13:18:02 2002
From: adam at personaltelco.net (Adam Shand)
Date: Fri Jul 12 13:18:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin in a tie :)
In-Reply-To: <E17Sr2I-0008GB-00@smtp.web.de>
References: <E17Sr2I-0008GB-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <1026505023.804.24.camel@heyzeus>

On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 20:24, Juergen Hermann wrote:
> I want to poll your opinion on raising the minimum Python version to 
> 2.2.1 (i.e. Python in a Tie) _AFTER_ the next release. Who would see a 
> problem with that?

There are Debian packages for it so I have no issue with it. :-) 
Incidentally moin is now packaged for Debian as well.

Adam.

-- 
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From adam at personaltelco.net  Fri Jul 12 13:29:55 2002
From: adam at personaltelco.net (Adam Shand)
Date: Fri Jul 12 13:29:55 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEMLDPAA.whisper@oz.net>
References: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEMLDPAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <1026505714.688.46.camel@heyzeus>

On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 19:19, David LeBlanc wrote:
> * Integrating this script, or it's functionality, into MoinMoin would be a
> Good Thing.

Some sort of more structured FAQ writing system would be great.  The
main place I've discovered that Wiki's fall down is it gets hard to edit
large pages because the text edit boxes have such limited functionality
(I can't even make Mozilla search in them to find what I want to edit).

The idea I've been playing with is using Include.py to do it.  You make
each FAQ a separate page and then include them all in the actual FAQ
page using the header normaliziation stuff to make it look right.

I suspect that this will work but that it won't be much more manageable
as all the includes will just frustrate and confuse people trying to
actually edit and update the page.
 
> FAQ Storage:
> Each FAQ Item has a unique numeric identifier, presumably based on the order
> it was added (to the FAQ, or to just the section?). FAQ items, each in their
> own file, are automatically assembled into the page or pages viewed by the
> user. (Doubtful that caching could be of use here, unless it's a high-volume
> FAQ - and then it's going to have expired pages in the cache frequently
> anyway). That faq items are each in their own file is a plus for uses like
> generating custom pages based on a search, displaying single sections etc.

Do it like the SeaPig Blog macro and make each FAQ a separate sub page?
 
> PS2: While you're at it, how about adding the
> http://www.seapig.org/MainPageMoinMoin blarg plugin into the standard
> distribution? :-)

?? I see no reference to "blarg" anywhere?  What am I missing?

Adam.

-- 
"Make the invisible visible. Let people see." -- Bruce Sterling




From jh at web.de  Fri Jul 12 13:37:06 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri Jul 12 13:37:06 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin in a tie :)
In-Reply-To: <1026505023.804.24.camel@heyzeus>
Message-ID: <E17T78w-000438-00@smtp.web.de>

On 12 Jul 2002 13:16:53 -0700, Adam Shand wrote:

>Incidentally moin is now packaged for Debian as well.

I know. And how did they name it, finally?


Ciao, J?rgen





From adam at personaltelco.net  Fri Jul 12 13:39:07 2002
From: adam at personaltelco.net (Adam Shand)
Date: Fri Jul 12 13:39:07 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin in a tie :)
In-Reply-To: <E17T78w-000438-00@smtp.web.de>
References: <E17T78w-000438-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <1026506310.804.62.camel@heyzeus>

On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 13:36, Juergen Hermann wrote:
> >Incidentally moin is now packaged for Debian as well.
> 
> I know. And how did they name it, finally?

Figured you would. :-)

$ apt-cache show moin
Package: moin
Priority: optional
Section: net
Installed-Size: 2076
Maintainer: Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk>
Architecture: all
Version: 1.1.cvs20020623-5
Depends: python (>= 2.1.1-3), python (<< 2.2)
Filename: pool/main/m/moin/moin_1.1.cvs20020623-5_all.deb
Size: 316784
MD5sum: 5bb7397fb051a28a0aee8d8076c8cd9c
Description: MoinMoin - a Python clone of WikiWiki
 A WikiWikiWeb is a collaborative hypertext environment, with an
 emphasis on easy access to and modification of information. MoinMoin
 is a Python WikiClone that allows you to easily set up your own wiki,
 only requiring a Web server and a Python installation.

-- 
"Make the invisible visible. Let people see." -- Bruce Sterling




From jh at web.de  Fri Jul 12 13:41:14 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri Jul 12 13:41:14 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <1026505714.688.46.camel@heyzeus>
Message-ID: <E17T7Ci-00010S-00@smtp.web.de>

On 12 Jul 2002 13:28:23 -0700, Adam Shand wrote:

>I suspect that this will work but that it won't be much more manageable
>as all the includes will just frustrate and confuse people trying to
>actually edit and update the page.

There are several similar options, like adding a macro that does about the 
same as the faq.cgi does now, only embedded into the wiki (FaqBrowser).

Then, you could have a related macro that allows viewing only (FaqRef).

You could also convert the current faq files to moin include pages, and 
then have a special editor work on those.


Ciao, J?rgen





From whisper at oz.net  Fri Jul 12 14:00:05 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Fri Jul 12 14:00:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <1026505714.688.46.camel@heyzeus>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEACEAAA.whisper@oz.net>

> Do it like the SeaPig Blog macro and make each FAQ a separate sub page?
>  
> > PS2: While you're at it, how about adding the
> > http://www.seapig.org/MainPageMoinMoin blarg plugin into the standard
> > distribution? :-)
> 
> ?? I see no reference to "blarg" anywhere?  What am I missing?


Blarg matey, Ahoy blarg! Oops - try blog :-)

> Adam.

Dave LeBlanc



From adam at personaltelco.net  Fri Jul 12 14:02:10 2002
From: adam at personaltelco.net (Adam Shand)
Date: Fri Jul 12 14:02:10 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEACEAAA.whisper@oz.net>
References: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEACEAAA.whisper@oz.net>
Message-ID: <1026507692.802.113.camel@heyzeus>

On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 13:58, David LeBlanc wrote:
> Blarg matey, Ahoy blarg! Oops - try blog :-)

Oh, right-o.  I know about that. :-)

I've been waiting for you to fix it cause it's never worked on any
version of moin I've had installed. Will it work with the latest CVS
version?

Adam.

-- 
"Make the invisible visible. Let people see." -- Bruce Sterling




From brian at dorseys.org  Fri Jul 12 15:52:17 2002
From: brian at dorseys.org (Brian Dorsey)
Date: Fri Jul 12 15:52:17 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <1026507692.802.113.camel@heyzeus>
References: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEGEACEAAA.whisper@oz.net> <1026507692.802.113.camel@heyzeus>
Message-ID: <20020712230254.GA30058@dorseys.org>

On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 02:01:21PM -0700, Adam Shand wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 13:58, David LeBlanc wrote:
> > Blarg matey, Ahoy blarg! Oops - try blog :-)
> 
> Oh, right-o.  I know about that. :-)
> 
> I've been waiting for you to fix it cause it's never worked on any
> version of moin I've had installed. Will it work with the latest CVS
> version?

JeffSandys just posted a fixed-for-recent-MoinMoin version at the
bottom of: http://www.seapig.org/BlogEditCode. I just installed it, and
it seems to be working. However, be warned that Juergen has said this
isn't really the right way to do it. 

-Brian



From whisper at oz.net  Fri Jul 12 17:04:17 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Fri Jul 12 17:04:17 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <1026507692.802.113.camel@heyzeus>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEMEAEEAAA.whisper@oz.net>

Sorry, it's not my code.

I've gotten it to run on (I think it was) 1.0, but it didn't feel very
stable.

Have a look at http://www.seapig.org/SeattleMoinMoinExtensions

David LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Adam Shand
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 14:01
> To: David LeBlanc
> Cc: Moin-User at Lists. Sourceforge. Net
> Subject: RE: [Moin-user] Feature Suggestion
>
>
> On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 13:58, David LeBlanc wrote:
> > Blarg matey, Ahoy blarg! Oops - try blog :-)
>
> Oh, right-o.  I know about that. :-)
>
> I've been waiting for you to fix it cause it's never worked on any
> version of moin I've had installed. Will it work with the latest CVS
> version?
>
> Adam.
>
> --
> "Make the invisible visible. Let people see." -- Bruce Sterling
>
>
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From whisper at oz.net  Sat Jul 13 11:36:02 2002
From: whisper at oz.net (David LeBlanc)
Date: Sat Jul 13 11:36:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] How do I add a new kind of page handler.
In-Reply-To: <E17Sr0T-000646-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <GCEDKONBLEFPPADDJCOEMEBLEAAA.whisper@oz.net>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jh at web.de [mailto:jh at web.de]
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:49:29 -0700, David LeBlanc wrote:
>
> >I can see that using MM's existing template page system could work for
> >displaying the form, but where do I put the handler for the result of the
> >form? If I missed something in the documentation, please point me at it.
>
> Actually, it's not (only) the template system that is of help
> here, but the
> userform system. The only catch is that it's half finished, but
> if you help with
> it, it can be completed in reasonable time (say 2-4 weeks).

How can I help?

> The thing that is finished is freely defining a form in a not too
> easy, but also
> not too hard way, and displaying such form definitions, What is
> missing is
> actually taking the submitted form data and processing it.
>
<snip>
>
> Ciao, J?rgen


Dave LeBlanc




From rpyron at alum.mit.edu  Sun Jul 21 14:18:02 2002
From: rpyron at alum.mit.edu (Robert Pyron)
Date: Sun Jul 21 14:18:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] MoinMoin wih Xitami server?
Message-ID: <3D3B24EE.8000500@alum.mit.edu>

Is it possible to install Xitami to run under Xitami?
I am using Win2K, if it matters.

Bob Pyron





From brendel at nancy.inra.fr  Wed Jul 24 02:48:03 2002
From: brendel at nancy.inra.fr (brendel at nancy.inra.fr)
Date: Wed Jul 24 02:48:03 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] newbee question
Message-ID: <3D3E94EC.12257.835F5D@localhost>

Hi Moin-users, 

I'm new to moinmoin (and wikiwiki that is, about 30minutes). I tumbled 
on it in my search for a system to write html with bidirectional links - 
wikiwiki systems seem to be quite what I'm looking for.
I have downloaded moinmoin and had a look at the installatino 
instructions. My question is now : What I'm looking for is a offline 
moinmoin version for only my private, personal use. So, can I do an 
installation without bothering with an web server ????

Thanks for replying to my own email address
brendel at nancy.inra.fr

Thanks in advance for any help, ideas, hints. I'm open to everything.
I would like to try moinmoin but I have a feeling that installing a web 
server will cost me more time and computer resources than I have

Cheers

Oliver



From i.roberts at Liberty-IT.co.uk  Wed Jul 24 03:04:05 2002
From: i.roberts at Liberty-IT.co.uk (Roberts, Iwan(LIT))
Date: Wed Jul 24 03:04:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] newbee question
Message-ID: <2E02C310A701D41187CF00902771989602A0A56E@romeo>

Installing Apache & Python is quick and painless.  I use Apache on my
machine as a document store, I have MoinMoin running, my CPU is almost
always idle and my memory consumption is around 25%

I.


-----Original Message-----
From: brendel at nancy.inra.fr [mailto:brendel at nancy.inra.fr] 
Sent: 24 July 2002 10:52
To: moin-user at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Moin-user] newbee question

Hi Moin-users, 

I'm new to moinmoin (and wikiwiki that is, about 30minutes). I tumbled 
on it in my search for a system to write html with bidirectional links - 
wikiwiki systems seem to be quite what I'm looking for.
I have downloaded moinmoin and had a look at the installatino 
instructions. My question is now : What I'm looking for is a offline 
moinmoin version for only my private, personal use. So, can I do an 
installation without bothering with an web server ????

Thanks for replying to my own email address
brendel at nancy.inra.fr

Thanks in advance for any help, ideas, hints. I'm open to everything.
I would like to try moinmoin but I have a feeling that installing a web 
server will cost me more time and computer resources than I have

Cheers

Oliver


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From jh at web.de  Wed Jul 24 12:37:04 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed Jul 24 12:37:04 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] newbee question
In-Reply-To: <3D3E94EC.12257.835F5D@localhost>
Message-ID: <E17XQyr-00015v-00@smtp.web.de>

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:52:12 +0200, brendel at nancy.inra.fr wrote:

>Thanks in advance for any help, ideas, hints. I'm open to everything.

You can do this (on Windows, similarly on unix with a shell script):

@echo off
c:
cd \wiki-instance
set PYTHONPATH=c:\moin
python.exe -c "import MoinMoin.httpdmain; MoinMoin.httpdmain.run()"


This is not yet officially supported, but should work for ONE person.


Ciao, J?rgen





From vbar at comp.cz  Thu Jul 25 10:09:05 2002
From: vbar at comp.cz (Vaclav Barta)
Date: Thu Jul 25 10:09:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] German localization
References: <2E02C310A701D41187CF00902771989602A0A56E@romeo>
Message-ID: <3D3EE4CD.86E96736@comp.cz>

Hi,

I'd like to add some Wiki pages to my German on-line textbook
(http://www.locus.cz/german/), and naturally I want their user interface
(FrontPage WikiName, Edit link etc.) in German, too... MoinMoin (I've
just installed version 1.0 on my home computer) sounds like it should
support German, :-) but the default interface is English and I can't
find any way to change it - there's some documentation in German (i.e.
HilfeZurAdministration), but nothing *about* German... How do I localize
MoinMoin?

	Bye
		Vasek



From jh at web.de  Thu Jul 25 11:30:02 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu Jul 25 11:30:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] German localization
In-Reply-To: <3D3EE4CD.86E96736@comp.cz>
Message-ID: <E17XnM9-0001F5-00@smtp.web.de>

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:33:01 +0100, Vaclav Barta wrote:

>I'd like to add some Wiki pages to my German on-line textbook
>(http://www.locus.cz/german/), and naturally I want their user interface
>(FrontPage WikiName, Edit link etc.) in German, too... MoinMoin (I've
>just installed version 1.0 on my home computer) sounds like it should
>support German, :-) but the default interface is English and I can't
>find any way to change it - there's some documentation in German (i.e.
>HilfeZurAdministration), but nothing *about* German... How do I localize
>MoinMoin?

It is localized. You either set "de" to be your preferred language in your 
browser, OR you log in and set the language in your UserPreferences.

I'll add a todo to add some blurb about this to the docs (unless someone of 
you volunteers, which will speed up that point).


Ciao, J?rgen





From john.willemin at templarcorp.com  Fri Jul 26 10:51:02 2002
From: john.willemin at templarcorp.com (John Willemin)
Date: Fri Jul 26 10:51:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] hierarchy / categories
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020726134239.02898350@mail.templarcorp.com>

hey... we have been using moin moin for a bit on our intranet, and while 
it's good at what it does, our wiki does have a tendency to get somewhat 
disorganized.

in an ideal world, something with a windows-explorer type layout would be 
ideal for us - i.e. nested folders containing documents: Home > Developer 
Documents > Code Standards, that sort of thing.  basically i'm looking for 
some forced way of structuring the documents.

is this something that can be accomplished only with categories?

and are there any other wiki implementations that provide a more 
hierarchical file structure?

the only thing i could find on the faq was categories, and i'm not sure 
that entirely fits our needs. sorry if this is a faq :)

thanks,
john




From vbar at comp.cz  Fri Jul 26 11:52:03 2002
From: vbar at comp.cz (Vaclav Barta)
Date: Fri Jul 26 11:52:03 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] German localization
References: <E17XnM9-0001F5-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <3D418DD9.B6008936@comp.cz>

Juergen Hermann wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:33:01 +0100, Vaclav Barta wrote:
> >I'd like to add some Wiki pages to my German on-line textbook
...
> >HilfeZurAdministration), but nothing *about* German... How do I
> >localize MoinMoin?
> It is localized. You either set "de" to be your preferred language in
That doesn't work for me (Netscape Communicator 4.72 connecting to
Apache/1.3.14, both on (the same) SuSE Linux), and anyway it's not what
I want. My pages are for people who *don't* know German, but think about
learning it - they won't have "de" in their preferences, but I want to
show them the German interface (or Czech, but I don't suppose that
exists :-) ) rather than English...

> your browser, OR you log in and set the language in your
> UserPreferences.
Hmm, UserPreferences has a Preferred language selection, but it contains
only <Default> and English options... Does MoinMoin require some locale
support from the OS? I have a Czech Linux distribution forced to use
English - there isn't much German support (apart from Latin-2 fonts) my
machine provides...

	Bye
		Vasek



From jh at web.de  Fri Jul 26 12:21:03 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri Jul 26 12:21:03 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] German localization
In-Reply-To: <3D418DD9.B6008936@comp.cz>
Message-ID: <E17YAce-0003Nt-00@smtp.web.de>

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:58:49 +0100, Vaclav Barta wrote:

>Hmm, UserPreferences has a Preferred language selection, but it contains
>only <Default> and English options... Does MoinMoin require some locale
>support from the OS? I have a Czech Linux distribution forced to use
>English - there isn't much German support (apart from Latin-2 fonts) my
>machine provides...

Then your problem is that you live in eastern europe, i.e. not in iso-
8859-1 country. You'll have to wait for the next version or that after 
it, with full utf-8 support.

Or you change your charset in moin_config to iso-8859-1.


Ciao, J?rgen





From vbar at comp.cz  Fri Jul 26 13:12:13 2002
From: vbar at comp.cz (Vaclav Barta)
Date: Fri Jul 26 13:12:13 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] German localization
References: <E17YAce-0003Nt-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <3D41A546.5B356AA9@comp.cz>

Juergen Hermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:58:49 +0100, Vaclav Barta wrote:
> >Hmm, UserPreferences has a Preferred language selection, but it
> >contains only <Default> and English options... Does MoinMoin require
> >some locale support from the OS? I have a Czech Linux distribution
> >forced to use English - there isn't much German support (apart from
> >Latin-2 fonts) my machine provides...
> Then your problem is that you live in eastern europe, i.e. not in iso-
> 8859-1 country. You'll have to wait for the next version or that after
> it, with full utf-8 support.
Well, actually I live in Ireland at the moment, :-) but yes, I did
change the charset in MoinMoin config to iso-8859-2.

> Or you change your charset in moin_config to iso-8859-1.
Yes, that helped. At the end of the day, I don't *have* to use Czech on
those pages i.e. can get away with iso-8859-1, but how can I disable the
English for everybody, regardless of their client's preferences?

	Bye
		Vasek



From adam at personaltelco.net  Fri Jul 26 18:45:02 2002
From: adam at personaltelco.net (Adam Shand)
Date: Fri Jul 26 18:45:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] hierarchy / categories
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020726134239.02898350@mail.templarcorp.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020726134239.02898350@mail.templarcorp.com>
Message-ID: <1027734262.25608.577.camel@isashand>

On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 10:50, John Willemin wrote:
> in an ideal world, something with a windows-explorer type layout would be 
> ideal for us - i.e. nested folders containing documents: Home > Developer 
> Documents > Code Standards, that sort of thing.  basically i'm looking for 
> some forced way of structuring the documents.

I suspect you'll get a different answer from everyone who answers but
basically what you want isn't a wiki and you're probably better off
checking out a more traditionally content management system.  if you
really want to stick with a wiki you might want to check out twiki as it
offers some of the functionality you're asking for.

however you need to think through what you actually want.  do you just
want a way for people to find the pages they need, or do you really want
to be able to have hierarchical data?  if what you actually need is the
first then you can do a lot with using categories.  what I do at work is
have a series of "main pages" which are all prominently linked off the
main page (or even better from the template) that use searches to index
certain types of pages.  as a simple example you could do something like
this on one of your main pages (these are categories which exist on my
wiki):

|| '''Words''' || '''Thoughts''' ||
|| [[FullSearch('CategoryWords')]] || [[FullSearch('CategoryThoughts')]] ||

once you start playing with it you can make it pretty easy to find
things that you need.  the only real complaint i have is that i spend a
reasonable amount of time fixing typos in the category name.  i wish
that category information was page meta data, new pages were put into a
default category if the user didn't specify one when it was created and
that the categories could be selected by a drop down box on the edit
page rather then having to be added manually at the end of a page.

regardless it's working great for us.

adam.

-- 
"Make the invisible visible.  Let people see."  -- Bruce Sterling




From dincht at securenym.net  Sun Jul 28 12:29:09 2002
From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich)
Date: Sun Jul 28 12:29:09 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] apache + moin not cooperating
Message-ID: <200207281924.g6SJOHe11714@anon.securenym.net>

Hi

Hope this isn't too newbieish of a question, but I'll give it a go 
anyway. I installed Apache some time ago and even had MoinMoin working 
with it. But recently, I think something changed because the wiki no 
longer runs correctly. When I access it with a browser, I get the dreaded:

Error message:
Premature end of script headers: moin.cgi

The error message that appears in the apache logs is:

[Sun Jul 28 12:09:03 2002] [error] [client 192.168.0.3] Premature end of 
script headers: moin.cgi
[Sun Jul 28 12:09:03 2002] [error] [client 192.168.0.3] /usr/bin/env: 
python: No such file or directory

Now, it's not python that isn't being found, I believe it's some file 
that the Moin scripts (or libs) are looking for. My next step was to 
create another wiki following the steps listed under "UNIX Installtion" 
in the install docs to the letter. And of course I got the same error. I 
double-checked both my Apache settings and  permissions of the wiki 
files and everything seems to look alright as far as I can tell.

- All of the wiki files are owned by user nobody, group nogroup. This is 
the same user and group specified in httpd.conf to run apache as.

- The ScriptAlias directive in httpd.conf is indeed pointed to the right 
place. (On my system: /usr/local/share/moin/mywiki/moin.cgi)

Out of sheer curiosity, I su'ed to nobody and tried running the script 
manually from the console... and it worked just fine. It just won't run 
when Apache does it.

Any suggestions, hints, flames? TIA for any or all.

--C. Ulrich




From mir at moinuser.m1.spieleck.de  Mon Jul 29 02:11:01 2002
From: mir at moinuser.m1.spieleck.de (Michael Radziej)
Date: Mon Jul 29 02:11:01 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] apache + moin not cooperating
In-Reply-To: <200207281924.g6SJOHe11714@anon.securenym.net>
References: <200207281924.g6SJOHe11714@anon.securenym.net>
Message-ID: <20020729110942.A8583@suse.de>

On Sun, Jul 28, C. Ulrich wrote:

> [Sun Jul 28 12:09:03 2002] [error] [client 192.168.0.3] /usr/bin/env: 
> python: No such file or directory

That's the important one.

It means that the standard environment doesn't have a path that
includes the python interpreter. You have to find python
("which python" or "locate python" should do the job) and then

a) either fix your standard environment to include python in the path
   (cleanest, but where your standard env. is located is system dependent -
   /etc/profile is a good guess)

b) replace "/usr/bin/env python" with "/path/to/your/python"
   (you will have to reado this with every update)

> Out of sheer curiosity, I su'ed to nobody and tried running the script 
> manually from the console... and it worked just fine. It just won't run 
> when Apache does it.

I'm not deeply into this, but Apache might set up its own special
environment. Or your apache might run as a different user. Please
include some info about your system if above fails :-)

Cheerio,

Michael




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From s-i-m-o-n at paradise.net.nz  Mon Jul 29 03:51:02 2002
From: s-i-m-o-n at paradise.net.nz (One spam and this email address vanishes into the great big bucket in the sky)
Date: Mon Jul 29 03:51:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] A newbie question
Message-ID: <20020729105015.39D2BD1899@deborah.paradise.net.nz>

I'm just coming to grips with MoinMoin,
having tried a couple of other Wikis, but like this one because of its features and relative ease of installation
I have installed it under WinXP and Apache 2 for home use,
and (with a great struggle - I'm not a Unix user) under Debian Linux Apache 1.3 in a multi user environment for a recreational group's web site (not released yet).
While I've got  a few questions, I'm curious why we don't use the MoinMoin wiki (ie http://purl.net/wiki/moin/) itself for these questions and discussions?
eg have a UserHelp or UserQuesions page which build up to contribute to the FAQ

TIA

Simon





From jh at web.de  Mon Jul 29 11:45:17 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Mon Jul 29 11:45:17 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] hierarchy / categories
In-Reply-To: <1027734262.25608.577.camel@isashand>
Message-ID: <E17ZFV0-0006TB-00@smtp.web.de>

On 26 Jul 2002 18:44:10 -0700, Adam Shand wrote:

>reasonable amount of time fixing typos in the category name.  i wish
>that category information was page meta data, new pages were put into a

A page currently has no meta data, so that is hard.

>that the categories could be selected by a drop down box on the edit
>page rather then having to be added manually at the end of a page.

That I one can add, what I also have on my todo is to speed up category 
search by only looking at the last few lines of a page (on request).


Ciao, J?rgen





From jh at web.de  Mon Jul 29 11:50:01 2002
From: jh at web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Mon Jul 29 11:50:01 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] apache + moin not cooperating
In-Reply-To: <20020729110942.A8583@suse.de>
Message-ID: <E17ZFZr-0001yt-00@smtp.web.de>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:09:51 +0200, Michael Radziej wrote:

>I'm not deeply into this, but Apache might set up its own special
>environment. Or your apache might run as a different user. Please
>include some info about your system if above fails :-)

Apache simply has a different environment (a more limited one) on most 
machines, thus being able to run a cgi on the shell never proves 
anything.

Your solutions are the correct ones.


Ciao, J?rgen





From adam at personaltelco.net  Mon Jul 29 12:12:15 2002
From: adam at personaltelco.net (Adam Shand)
Date: Mon Jul 29 12:12:15 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] hierarchy / categories
In-Reply-To: <E17ZFV0-0006TB-00@smtp.web.de>
References: <E17ZFV0-0006TB-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <1027969881.9596.34.camel@isashand>

On Mon, 2002-07-29 at 11:44, Juergen Hermann wrote:
> >reasonable amount of time fixing typos in the category name.  i wish
> >that category information was page meta data, new pages were put into a
> 
> A page currently has no meta data, so that is hard.

I know it's kind of a ghetto solution but wouldn't just including it in
comment data at the top/bottom of the page work pretty well?

##meta: category: software

or something like that.

> >that the categories could be selected by a drop down box on the edit
> >page rather then having to be added manually at the end of a page.
> 
> That I one can add, what I also have on my todo is to speed up category 
> search by only looking at the last few lines of a page (on request).

This would be really nice as it would eliminate a lot of typo's, and
help users be aware of the concept of categories.  

Ideally it should auto-generate the list of categories from the
CategoryCategory page (or similar) and pages should be able to belong to
multiple categories at once.

Thanks,
Adam.

-- 
"Make the invisible visible.  Let people see."  -- Bruce Sterling




From gse at antisleep.com  Mon Jul 29 12:20:04 2002
From: gse at antisleep.com (Scott Evans)
Date: Mon Jul 29 12:20:04 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: hierarchy / categories
In-Reply-To: <E17YXAY-0003OW-00@usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207291201090.9506-100000@oontz.dissonant.org>

> On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 10:50, John Willemin wrote:
> > in an ideal world, something with a windows-explorer type layout would be 
> > ideal for us - i.e. nested folders containing documents: Home > Developer 
> > Documents > Code Standards, that sort of thing.  basically i'm looking for 
> > some forced way of structuring the documents.
> 
> I suspect you'll get a different answer from everyone who answers but
> basically what you want isn't a wiki 

You think?

There's no reason that a wiki-style system *couldn't* be more hierarchial.
Wikis don't have to be total anarchy, do they?  

What I would love to see is a wiki that combines the ease of editing and 
linking with the hierarchy of a filesystem.  This means that files don't
float around in the ether, it means that duplicate files don't get 
created, it means that organization falls out naturally, etc.  I can say
that in our environment (I work with John), this would be a *huge*
improvement.  Wiki has been great as an intranet tool but it's not 
scaling well.  There's too much "reverse maintenance" that needs to
happen when you create/rename/etc files.  

Your category idea isn't a bad one, and we'll talk about that here, but
it's not quite the way I think and it's not as "seamless" as I think the 
above system would be (wherein you *have* to choose a hierarchial location
for a file when you create it, for instance).



--
 scott evans :: www.antisleep.com




From j.her at t-online.de  Mon Jul 29 13:46:05 2002
From: j.her at t-online.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Mon Jul 29 13:46:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: hierarchy / categories
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207291201090.9506-100000@oontz.dissonant.org>
Message-ID: <17ZHOh-1cATZYC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:19:21 -0700 (PDT), Scott Evans wrote:

>There's no reason that a wiki-style system *couldn't* be more hierarchial.
>Wikis don't have to be total anarchy, do they?  

No, but (a single) hierarchy is not the answer. For any non-trivial set
of wiki pages, there are several non- or only partly overlapping index
structures / ways to navigate to end-points of information.

BTW, given hierachical page names, you CAN create a typical folder
index from a set of page names.

Ciao, J?rgen





From gse at antisleep.com  Mon Jul 29 13:53:02 2002
From: gse at antisleep.com (Scott Evans)
Date: Mon Jul 29 13:53:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Re: hierarchy / categories
In-Reply-To: <17ZHOh-1cATZYC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207291350570.9506-100000@oontz.dissonant.org>

> >There's no reason that a wiki-style system *couldn't* be more hierarchial.
> >Wikis don't have to be total anarchy, do they?  
> 
> No, but (a single) hierarchy is not the answer. For any non-trivial set
> of wiki pages, there are several non- or only partly overlapping index
> structures / ways to navigate to end-points of information.

The non-overlapping part seems solvable; you can have multiple "roots",
for instance.

As for ways to navigate, I certainly didn't mean to imply that "links"
should go away in any Wiki.  



scott




From dincht at securenym.net  Tue Jul 30 02:01:03 2002
From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich)
Date: Tue Jul 30 02:01:03 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] apache + moin not cooperating
References: <200207281924.g6SJOHe11714@anon.securenym.net> <20020729110942.A8583@suse.de>
Message-ID: <200207300857.g6U8vVG01304@anon.securenym.net>

Michael Radziej wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 28, C. Ulrich wrote:
> 
> 
>>[Sun Jul 28 12:09:03 2002] [error] [client 192.168.0.3] /usr/bin/env: 
>>python: No such file or directory
> 
> 
> That's the important one.
> 
> It means that the standard environment doesn't have a path that
> includes the python interpreter. You have to find python
> ("which python" or "locate python" should do the job) and then
> 
> a) either fix your standard environment to include python in the path
>    (cleanest, but where your standard env. is located is system dependent -
>    /etc/profile is a good guess)
> 
> b) replace "/usr/bin/env python" with "/path/to/your/python"
>    (you will have to reado this with every update)

Thanks for the suggestions. I think I found the problem on my own, though... 
it seems that moving my wiki directory seriously confused it. I moved my wiki 
to an entirely different part of the hard disk and changed my ScriptAlias to 
reflect the change. What I *should* have done was add a symlink to the new 
location and not even bother with messing with Apache. And it didn't help that 
I may have been using the wrong URL while trying to debug the problem. What a 
wild ride... Just glad it all works now, I use this wiki as a personal 
organizer and was truly lost without it for awhile there. :)

--C. Ulrich.




From oli at aragne.com  Wed Jul 31 15:26:05 2002
From: oli at aragne.com (Olivier Laurent)
Date: Wed Jul 31 15:26:05 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] Little bug in [[TableOfContents]]
Message-ID: <20020731222455.GA3242@debian>

The TableOfContents macro generate the same id for the <a name> tag when
two titles are the same.

For example, if I have a

"""
= Title A =

== SameTitle ==

= Title B =

== SameTitle ==
"""

If I click on the second 'SameTitle', I'm directed to the first one
since they have both the same anchor name.

I thought I could trick the bug by aadding a space after the title like:
== SameTitle  ==
            ^^
It generate a different id for the <a href> in the table of contents but
not in the <a name>.

PS: should I use the mailing list for bugs or the MoinMoinBugs page ?

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From altis at semi-retired.com  Wed Jul 31 17:31:02 2002
From: altis at semi-retired.com (Kevin Altis)
Date: Wed Jul 31 17:31:02 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] removing line numbers from Python source listings
Message-ID: <KJEOLDOPMIDKCMJDCNDPEEOACDAA.altis@semi-retired.com>

I posted a fix to the line numbers displayed with Python source listings in
MoinMoin 1.0 along with the suggestion that line numbers be optional in the
config.

http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/wxPython-users/1303278

ka




From altis at semi-retired.com  Wed Jul 31 18:18:03 2002
From: altis at semi-retired.com (Kevin Altis)
Date: Wed Jul 31 18:18:03 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] run MoinMoin with Python server?
Message-ID: <KJEOLDOPMIDKCMJDCNDPEEOBCDAA.altis@semi-retired.com>

I'm trying to get MoinMoin working with a minimal Python server based on the
HTTPServer and CGIHTTPRequestHandler in the Python Standard Libraries. I was
able to get MoinMoin running with a minimal variation of the install
instructions and I can post those instructions here if there is interest. I
ended up putting moin.cgi and moin_config.py in a /cgi-bin directory, the
data is in a c:\moin\data directory and the images and css are in a /wiki
directory at the html (htdocs) root of the server.

The problem I've run into is that even though I can do GETs and POSTs with
MoinMoin, some kind of failure occurs after the POST, so that while data
from an edit appears to be accepted, there is a redirect or something that
is failing as part of the request. I've attached a copy/paste from the
console (sorry about the wrapping) showing the error output on my box when I
click the "Save Changes" button during an edit

http://localhost/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrontPage?action=edit

This could be related to some other bugs that have been reported with Python
socket handling and Internet Explorer 5.x, but I don't know MoinMoin well
enough at this point to know what to look for. What I have now is
essentially a read-only MoinMoin, which isn't particularly useful, so I'm
looking for a fix.

I'm wondering whether anyone has gotten MoinMoin working correctly on a
Windows system using just the Python standard libs for the web server? If
so, how about on Windows, specifically Windows 2000? I really don't want to
have to install IIS or Apache just to use MoinMoin locally, Python should be
able to handle this out of the box. A basic web server in Python is very
simple as the script referenced below shows.

The PythonCard webserver sample comes with a console_server.py script that
essentially works the same as the GUI front-end web server. The latest
version of the script is in cvs at the URL below. The script is different
from the one in release 0.6.8 because I added '.cgi' extension support to
the request handler to avoid having to change moin.cgi references in
MoinMoin. I'm using Windows 2000 and Python 2.2.1, but the script should
work without change on other systems.

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pythoncard/PythonCardPrototyp
e/samples/webserver/

Any feedback or ideas would be appreciated. I would love to get MoinMoin
working as a CGI with a simple Python server!

ka
---
Kevin Altis
altis at semi-retired.com
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From altis at semi-retired.com  Wed Jul 31 23:29:04 2002
From: altis at semi-retired.com (Kevin Altis)
Date: Wed Jul 31 23:29:04 2002
Subject: [Moin-user] run MoinMoin with Python server?
In-Reply-To: <KJEOLDOPMIDKCMJDCNDPEEOBCDAA.altis@semi-retired.com>
Message-ID: <KJEOLDOPMIDKCMJDCNDPOEOECDAA.altis@semi-retired.com>

I should have done a little more investigation before my original post. The
CGI POST problem does appear to be the same bug as already noted at:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=427345&group_id=5470&atid=10
5470

and

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=430160&group_id=5470&atid=10
5470

The bug is specific to POST handling with IE on Windows, tested with IE 5.5
and IE 6. It is not a problem with say Netscape on Windows or even IE on the
Mac.

I would still like to hear about any other information related to running
MoinMoin with a simple Python web server instead of say Apache or IIS in
case there are other issues I should be aware of. I'm going to take this
opportunity to chase the socket issue to see if a workaround can be added to
the Python standard libs once and for all.

Thanks,

ka
---
Kevin Altis
altis at semi-retired.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:moin-user-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Altis
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:21 PM
> To: Moin-User
> Subject: [Moin-user] run MoinMoin with Python server?
>
>
> I'm trying to get MoinMoin working with a minimal Python server
> based on the
> HTTPServer and CGIHTTPRequestHandler in the Python Standard
> Libraries. I was
> able to get MoinMoin running with a minimal variation of the install
> instructions and I can post those instructions here if there is
> interest. I
> ended up putting moin.cgi and moin_config.py in a /cgi-bin directory, the
> data is in a c:\moin\data directory and the images and css are in a /wiki
> directory at the html (htdocs) root of the server.
>
> The problem I've run into is that even though I can do GETs and POSTs with
> MoinMoin, some kind of failure occurs after the POST, so that while data
> from an edit appears to be accepted, there is a redirect or something that
> is failing as part of the request. I've attached a copy/paste from the
> console (sorry about the wrapping) showing the error output on my
> box when I
> click the "Save Changes" button during an edit
>
> http://localhost/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrontPage?action=edit
>
> This could be related to some other bugs that have been reported
> with Python
> socket handling and Internet Explorer 5.x, but I don't know MoinMoin well
> enough at this point to know what to look for. What I have now is
> essentially a read-only MoinMoin, which isn't particularly useful, so I'm
> looking for a fix.
>
> I'm wondering whether anyone has gotten MoinMoin working correctly on a
> Windows system using just the Python standard libs for the web server? If
> so, how about on Windows, specifically Windows 2000? I really
> don't want to
> have to install IIS or Apache just to use MoinMoin locally,
> Python should be
> able to handle this out of the box. A basic web server in Python is very
> simple as the script referenced below shows.
>
> The PythonCard webserver sample comes with a console_server.py script that
> essentially works the same as the GUI front-end web server. The latest
> version of the script is in cvs at the URL below. The script is different
> from the one in release 0.6.8 because I added '.cgi' extension support to
> the request handler to avoid having to change moin.cgi references in
> MoinMoin. I'm using Windows 2000 and Python 2.2.1, but the script should
> work without change on other systems.
>
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pythoncard/PythonCa
rdPrototyp
e/samples/webserver/

Any feedback or ideas would be appreciated. I would love to get MoinMoin
working as a CGI with a simple Python server!

ka
---
Kevin Altis
altis at semi-retired.com