From mscottreynolds at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 04:18:19 2022
From: mscottreynolds at gmail.com (M. Scott Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 02:18:19 -0600
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
In-Reply-To: <3261607.KDUla2LWIC@jason>
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Hi y'all.

I just finished a couple semesters of Python at BYU-Idaho, so I am now a 
Python expert... haha, not really!!! Actually I do have a couple decades 
of development in Java. But I am eager to get Moin2 up and running and 
am willing to start and help out with my, so far limited python 3 skills.

I've already cloned the repository at 
https://github.com/moinwiki/moin.git. And opened it up in VSCode for 
Windows. After banging on quickstart.py for several hours, I *finally* 
got it to work. I *think* the problem is with VSCode using PowerShell on 
Windows 10. ?? So, I now have something running. :-)

What do I do now? How can I help? I do have some time that I can spare 
and work on Moin2.

Scott.


From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 22 09:23:03 2022
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:23:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
In-Reply-To: <cf4f3505-d567-bc9e-f915-a662ff1397de@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <924639739.836275.1658496183566@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Add to the list or fix one:?
https://github.com/moinwiki/moin/issues



    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 01:18:30 AM MST, M. Scott Reynolds <mscottreynolds at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi y'all.

I just finished a couple semesters of Python at BYU-Idaho, so I am now a 
Python expert... haha, not really!!! Actually I do have a couple decades 
of development in Java. But I am eager to get Moin2 up and running and 
am willing to start and help out with my, so far limited python 3 skills.

I've already cloned the repository at 
https://github.com/moinwiki/moin.git. And opened it up in VSCode for 
Windows. After banging on quickstart.py for several hours, I *finally* 
got it to work. I *think* the problem is with VSCode using PowerShell on 
Windows 10. ?? So, I now have something running. :-)

What do I do now? How can I help? I do have some time that I can spare 
and work on Moin2.

Scott.

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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Fri Jul 22 13:23:58 2022
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 18:23:58 +0100
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
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On 2022-07-22 14:23, Roger Haase via moin-devel wrote:
> Add to the list or fix one:?
> https://github.com/moinwiki/moin/issues

There has been a certain amount of work done recently on packaging Moin 
2 for Debian, and one significant obstacle is Moin's continued reliance 
on Flask 1.x, where future Debian releases will provide Flask 2.x. I see 
that there is an issue recorded for such matters:

https://github.com/moinwiki/moin/issues/1109

If we can get Moin 2 working with newer Flask versions, its journey into 
Debian will be quicker and it will potentially get a bit more adoption, 
which is certainly what is needed at this point. See here for the Debian 
packaging initiative:

https://salsa.debian.org/moin-team

Paul

From mscottreynolds at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 14:31:09 2022
From: mscottreynolds at gmail.com (M. Scott Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:31:09 -0600
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
In-Reply-To: <b7dea2566819bfff9c2bff14426dfa11@boddie.org.uk>
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On 7/22/2022 11:23, Paul Boddie wrote:
> On 2022-07-22 14:23, Roger Haase via moin-devel wrote:
>> Add to the list or fix one:
>> https://github.com/moinwiki/moin/issues
>
> There has been a certain amount of work done recently on packaging 
> Moin 2 for Debian, and one significant obstacle is Moin's continued 
> reliance on Flask 1.x, where future Debian releases will provide Flask 
> 2.x. I see that there is an issue recorded for such matters:
>
> https://github.com/moinwiki/moin/issues/1109
>
> If we can get Moin 2 working with newer Flask versions, its journey 
> into Debian will be quicker and it will potentially get a bit more 
> adoption, which is certainly what is needed at this point. See here 
> for the Debian packaging initiative:
>
> https://salsa.debian.org/moin-team
>
> Paul

I know there is a lot of focus getting Moin 2 working for Debian, and 
for good reasons. But what about the Windows environment? How much 
demand is there for running Moin 2 on Windows 10? I ask because that is 
my current setup for running Moin 2; VSCode with Python 3.10. Other than 
WSL I currently don't have access to a Linux machine.

Scott



From UlrichB at posteo.de  Fri Jul 22 15:22:54 2022
From: UlrichB at posteo.de (Ulrich B.)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:22:54 +0000
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
In-Reply-To: <420b21c1-2199-7295-c6f4-483e69e9e5d1@gmail.com>
References: <CAKkTUv0pc8n_GZuNOnkbUfGYrSun+EC4k3Rfq--Skq-Tb=OcDw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAKkTUv0OZCGKvnCUnCzEGiD7oi+NjCVKJA9hzts=w8KJU8cGJw@mail.gmail.com>
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Most stuff is OS independent, developing on Windows is fine. If you help 
working on Moin2 and migration to flask 2.x, it will help with Debian 
packaging. Debian is important for the big public MoinWikis.

To find some tasks you can search for issues with the label "good first 
issue", for more information about development, testing and workflows 
you can have a look at 
https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/devel/development.html


Am 22.07.22 um 20:31 schrieb M. Scott Reynolds:
>
> I know there is a lot of focus getting Moin 2 working for Debian, and 
> for good reasons. But what about the Windows environment? How much 
> demand is there for running Moin 2 on Windows 10? I ask because that 
> is my current setup for running Moin 2; VSCode with Python 3.10. Other 
> than WSL I currently don't have access to a Linux machine.

From mscottreynolds at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 15:36:23 2022
From: mscottreynolds at gmail.com (M. Scott Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:36:23 -0600
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
In-Reply-To: <ff4b5f8f-1db1-a4a8-7f8f-55a6207e6aa5@posteo.de>
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Oh, lots of good stuff there! I will start with that documentation. 
Thank you!

Scott

On 7/22/2022 13:22, Ulrich B. wrote:
> Most stuff is OS independent, developing on Windows is fine. If you 
> help working on Moin2 and migration to flask 2.x, it will help with 
> Debian packaging. Debian is important for the big public MoinWikis.
>
> To find some tasks you can search for issues with the label "good 
> first issue", for more information about development, testing and 
> workflows you can have a look at 
> https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/devel/development.html
>
>
> Am 22.07.22 um 20:31 schrieb M. Scott Reynolds:
>>
>> I know there is a lot of focus getting Moin 2 working for Debian, and 
>> for good reasons. But what about the Windows environment? How much 
>> demand is there for running Moin 2 on Windows 10? I ask because that 
>> is my current setup for running Moin 2; VSCode with Python 3.10. 
>> Other than WSL I currently don't have access to a Linux machine.
> _______________________________________________
> moin-devel mailing list
> moin-devel at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/moin-devel

From mscottreynolds at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 22:21:44 2022
From: mscottreynolds at gmail.com (M. Scott Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:21:44 -0600
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
In-Reply-To: <46eda8a7-ab12-a342-d0f0-e3c7b15df17e@gmail.com>
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I got to the developer documentation where it has me run checks for 
coding errors like trailing spaces etc: "./m coding-std". A handful of 
of "Trailing blanks removed" and "End of line character added..." showed 
up. What is the priority on fixing stuff like that?

Scott.

On 7/22/2022 13:36, M. Scott Reynolds wrote:
> Oh, lots of good stuff there! I will start with that documentation. 
> Thank you!
>
> Scott
>
> On 7/22/2022 13:22, Ulrich B. wrote:
>> Most stuff is OS independent, developing on Windows is fine. If you 
>> help working on Moin2 and migration to flask 2.x, it will help with 
>> Debian packaging. Debian is important for the big public MoinWikis.
>>
>> To find some tasks you can search for issues with the label "good 
>> first issue", for more information about development, testing and 
>> workflows you can have a look at 
>> https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/devel/development.html
>>

From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 23 10:54:29 2022
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 14:54:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
In-Reply-To: <f0354697-b78d-acdc-f5d8-c49718f35e7a@gmail.com>
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 See?Development ? MoinMoin 0.1.dev116+gf3cf86e documentation (moin-20.readthedocs.io)

   
   -    
set options on your favorite editor or IDE

   
   - convert tabs to 4 spaces
   - delete trailing blanks on file save
   - use unix line endings (use Windows line endings on .bat and .cmd files)
   - use mono-spaced font for editing
Create a pull request to fix the files.? Everyone should have the same editor setting to avoid patches showing unrelated changes - one developer adds trailing blanks, next developer removes them.
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 07:21:51 PM MST, M. Scott Reynolds <mscottreynolds at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I got to the developer documentation where it has me run checks for 
coding errors like trailing spaces etc: "./m coding-std". A handful of 
of "Trailing blanks removed" and "End of line character added..." showed 
up. What is the priority on fixing stuff like that?

Scott.

On 7/22/2022 13:36, M. Scott Reynolds wrote:
> Oh, lots of good stuff there! I will start with that documentation. 
> Thank you!
>
> Scott
>
> On 7/22/2022 13:22, Ulrich B. wrote:
>> Most stuff is OS independent, developing on Windows is fine. If you 
>> help working on Moin2 and migration to flask 2.x, it will help with 
>> Debian packaging. Debian is important for the big public MoinWikis.
>>
>> To find some tasks you can search for issues with the label "good 
>> first issue", for more information about development, testing and 
>> workflows you can have a look at 
>> https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/devel/development.html
>>
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From crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 23 11:00:43 2022
From: crosseyedpenguin at yahoo.com (Roger Haase)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 15:00:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
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 That development link above has not been updated in a while. We use venv not virtualenv; lessc is no longer used; probably more updates are needed.
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 07:54:55 AM MST, Roger Haase via moin-devel <moin-devel at python.org> wrote:  
 
  See?Development ? MoinMoin 0.1.dev116+gf3cf86e documentation (moin-20.readthedocs.io)

   
   -    
set options on your favorite editor or IDE

   
   - convert tabs to 4 spaces
   - delete trailing blanks on file save
   - use unix line endings (use Windows line endings on .bat and .cmd files)
   - use mono-spaced font for editing
Create a pull request to fix the files.? Everyone should have the same editor setting to avoid patches showing unrelated changes - one developer adds trailing blanks, next developer removes them.
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 07:21:51 PM MST, M. Scott Reynolds <mscottreynolds at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I got to the developer documentation where it has me run checks for 
coding errors like trailing spaces etc: "./m coding-std". A handful of 
of "Trailing blanks removed" and "End of line character added..." showed 
up. What is the priority on fixing stuff like that?

Scott.

On 7/22/2022 13:36, M. Scott Reynolds wrote:
> Oh, lots of good stuff there! I will start with that documentation. 
> Thank you!
>
> Scott
>
> On 7/22/2022 13:22, Ulrich B. wrote:
>> Most stuff is OS independent, developing on Windows is fine. If you 
>> help working on Moin2 and migration to flask 2.x, it will help with 
>> Debian packaging. Debian is important for the big public MoinWikis.
>>
>> To find some tasks you can search for issues with the label "good 
>> first issue", for more information about development, testing and 
>> workflows you can have a look at 
>> https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/devel/development.html
>>
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From UlrichB at posteo.de  Sat Jul 23 14:15:16 2022
From: UlrichB at posteo.de (Ulrich B.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 18:15:16 +0000
Subject: [moin-devel] Moin2 - where do I start
In-Reply-To: <f0354697-b78d-acdc-f5d8-c49718f35e7a@gmail.com>
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Maybe you create an issue in github first and list some of the typical 
objects, then we can decide what the best solution is. The last time I 
ran coding-std it found some of the new help pages and no code, if I 
remember correctly.


Am 23.07.22 um 04:21 schrieb M. Scott Reynolds:
> I got to the developer documentation where it has me run checks for 
> coding errors like trailing spaces etc: "./m coding-std". A handful of 
> of "Trailing blanks removed" and "End of line character added..." 
> showed up. What is the priority on fixing stuff like that?
>