From barry at python.org  Mon Jan 14 00:41:25 2008
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:41:25 -0500
Subject: [meta-sig] Fwd: [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>

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Please create this mailing list for discussion of Python standard  
library development.  We'll also need to update the sigs page:

http://www.python.org/community/sigs/

Thanks!
- -Barry

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> From: Georg Brandl <g.brandl at gmx.net>
> Date: January 13, 2008 5:19:31 PM EST
> To: Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org>
> Cc: python-stdlib-reorg at lists.peadrop.com
> Subject: Re: [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
>
> Barry Warsaw schrieb:
>> On Jan 9, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Antoine wrote:
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>>>> I don't know why we didn't think of this before, but it's a good
>>>> idea.  I would call it library-sig at mail.python.org?
>>> Sounds fine, or perhaps stdlib-sig at .
>> Either one is fine by me.  Anyone else?
>
> /me votes for stdlib-sig.
>
> Georg
>
> _______________________________________________
> Python-stdlib-reorg mailing list
> Python-stdlib-reorg at lists.peadrop.com
> http://lists.peadrop.com/listinfo.cgi/python-stdlib-reorg-peadrop.com
>
>

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From brad at python.org  Mon Jan 14 07:53:28 2008
From: brad at python.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:53:28 -0600
Subject: [meta-sig] Fwd: [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>
	<9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>
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On 1/13/08, Barry Warsaw wrote:

>  Please create this mailing list for discussion of Python standard
>  library development.  We'll also need to update the sigs page:
>
>  http://www.python.org/community/sigs/

I'm assuming you want to create the listname "stdlib-sig", correct?

Can you tell me who the initial list owner will be, a short 
description for the list, and any other appropriate data you may have?

>
>Thanks!
>- -Barry
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>>  From: Georg Brandl <g.brandl at gmx.net>
>>  Date: January 13, 2008 5:19:31 PM EST
>>  To: Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org>
>>  Cc: python-stdlib-reorg at lists.peadrop.com
>>  Subject: Re: [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
>>
>>  Barry Warsaw schrieb:
>>>  On Jan 9, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Antoine wrote:
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>>>>>  I don't know why we didn't think of this before, but it's a good
>>>>>  idea.  I would call it library-sig at mail.python.org?
>>>>  Sounds fine, or perhaps stdlib-sig at .
>>>  Either one is fine by me.  Anyone else?
>>
>>  /me votes for stdlib-sig.
>>
>>  Georg
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Python-stdlib-reorg mailing list
>>  Python-stdlib-reorg at lists.peadrop.com
>>  http://lists.peadrop.com/listinfo.cgi/python-stdlib-reorg-peadrop.com
>>
>>
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-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at python.org>
Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team
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From barry at python.org  Mon Jan 14 16:01:43 2008
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:01:43 -0500
Subject: [meta-sig] [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <p06240807c3b0b7155b4e@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>
	<9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>
	<p06240807c3b0b7155b4e@[192.168.1.101]>
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On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:53 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> On 1/13/08, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
>> Please create this mailing list for discussion of Python standard
>> library development.  We'll also need to update the sigs page:
>>
>> http://www.python.org/community/sigs/
>
> I'm assuming you want to create the listname "stdlib-sig", correct?

Yes, thanks!

> Can you tell me who the initial list owner will be, a short  
> description for the list, and any other appropriate data you may have?

Brett, do you want to own the list?  If not, I'll do it.  I'd say the  
following:

"This mailing list is for discussion involving development,  
improvement, and maintenance of the Python standard library as a  
functioning unit.  This is a separate effort from development of the  
Python language."

Thanks Brad!
- -Barry

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From barry at python.org  Tue Jan 15 20:18:20 2008
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:18:20 -0500
Subject: [meta-sig] [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <bbaeab100801151058q256ddd62xac46e7fa43f40653@mail.gmail.com>
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>
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On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:

> On Jan 14, 2008 7:01 AM, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
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>> On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:53 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/13/08, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please create this mailing list for discussion of Python standard
>>>> library development.  We'll also need to update the sigs page:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.python.org/community/sigs/
>>>
>>> I'm assuming you want to create the listname "stdlib-sig", correct?
>>
>> Yes, thanks!
>>
>>> Can you tell me who the initial list owner will be, a short
>>> description for the list, and any other appropriate data you may  
>>> have?
>>
>> Brett, do you want to own the list?  If not, I'll do it.
>
> We can both own it and both be slow about approving things.  =) But I
> can't own it on my own as I already have all the tracker-related lists
> plus PyCon lists plus python-ideas to manage.

Fair enough.  I'm happy to co-poorly-own it :)

- -Barry

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From brad at python.org  Tue Jan 15 22:02:24 2008
From: brad at python.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:02:24 -0600
Subject: [meta-sig] [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <E7A866A0-0E26-4AA1-A1D0-A32162394799@python.org>
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>
	<9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>
	<p06240807c3b0b7155b4e@192.168.1.101>
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	<E7A866A0-0E26-4AA1-A1D0-A32162394799@python.org>
Message-ID: <p06240801c3b2ce339793@[192.168.1.101]>

On 1/15/08, Barry Warsaw wrote:

>>  We can both own it and both be slow about approving things.  =) But I
>>  can't own it on my own as I already have all the tracker-related lists
>>  plus PyCon lists plus python-ideas to manage.
>
>  Fair enough.  I'm happy to co-poorly-own it :)

#insert <standard-spiel>:

The list has now been created, and you should have already gotten the 
initial listowner password.  For now, the list is not advertised, 
with private archives.  Subscriptions have to be confirmed and 
approved.  Posts from non-subscribers are held for moderation, and 
new subscribers are also moderated by default.

I've plugged in some standard site-wide default language into the 
listinfo field, based on the above.  Once you're happy with the other 
parts of the list configuration, please feel free to open up the list 
to be publicly advertised, etc....  If there are any list policy 
changes you'd like to make, please let us know.

If there's anything else we can do to help, please let us know.


#insert <apology-for-C-style-syntax> :-)

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at python.org>
Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team
Co-moderator of mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists

From barry at python.org  Thu Jan 17 00:05:55 2008
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:05:55 -0500
Subject: [meta-sig] [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <bbaeab100801161412jdf15f09q44ca0c9fd1a6a20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>
	<9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>
	<p06240807c3b0b7155b4e@192.168.1.101>
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On Jan 16, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:

> On Jan 15, 2008 1:02 PM, Brad Knowles <brad at python.org> wrote:
>> On 1/15/08, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>
>>>> We can both own it and both be slow about approving things.  =)  
>>>> But I
>>>> can't own it on my own as I already have all the tracker-related  
>>>> lists
>>>> plus PyCon lists plus python-ideas to manage.
>>>
>>> Fair enough.  I'm happy to co-poorly-own it :)
>>
>> #insert <standard-spiel>:
>>
>> The list has now been created, and you should have already gotten the
>> initial listowner password.
>
> Actually, I have not received the email yet. Hopefully just a delay
> somewhere in the relay.

Hi Brett, I didn't get it either.

- -Barry

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From brad at python.org  Thu Jan 17 04:05:31 2008
From: brad at python.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:05:31 -0600
Subject: [meta-sig] [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <bbaeab100801161412jdf15f09q44ca0c9fd1a6a20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>	
	<9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>	
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On 1/16/08, Brett Cannon wrote:

>>  The list has now been created, and you should have already gotten the
>>  initial listowner password.
>
>  Actually, I have not received the email yet. Hopefully just a delay
>  somewhere in the relay.

When you create a mailing list in Mailman, you are only allowed to 
specify one owner address.  In this case, I used either 
barry at python.org or barry at list.org, I don't remember which -- that's 
where the list password would have gone.

Once the initial creation was done, I added brett at python.org as a 
secondary owner, but there would not have been a second "list 
creation" e-mail message sent out.


Barry should remember the site admin password, so he can get in and 
change the list password to whatever he wants.  If you guys want me 
to set a different list admin password on your behalf, I can do that 
-- just send a request to postmaster at python.org, and then once you 
get logged in you should make sure you change it to something else 
that you can remember.  Either way, I can get in whenever I need, 
because I also have the site admin password.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at python.org>
Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team
Co-moderator of mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists

From barry at python.org  Thu Jan 17 04:51:38 2008
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:51:38 -0500
Subject: [meta-sig] [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c3b4759c0b56@[192.168.82.120]>
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On Jan 16, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> On 1/16/08, Brett Cannon wrote:
>
>>> The list has now been created, and you should have already gotten  
>>> the
>>> initial listowner password.
>>
>> Actually, I have not received the email yet. Hopefully just a delay
>> somewhere in the relay.
>
> When you create a mailing list in Mailman, you are only allowed to
> specify one owner address.  In this case, I used either
> barry at python.org or barry at list.org, I don't remember which -- that's
> where the list password would have gone.

Never mind, I found it.  Brett, I'll send you the new password in a  
subsequent, encrypted message.  Again, thanks Brad!

- -Barry

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From brett at python.org  Tue Jan 15 19:59:00 2008
From: brett at python.org (Brett Cannon)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:59:00 -0000
Subject: [meta-sig] [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <331ED912-1D7A-4C57-82A0-62D6C3A626AD@python.org>
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>
	<9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>
	<p06240807c3b0b7155b4e@192.168.1.101>
	<331ED912-1D7A-4C57-82A0-62D6C3A626AD@python.org>
Message-ID: <bbaeab100801151058q256ddd62xac46e7fa43f40653@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 14, 2008 7:01 AM, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
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> On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:53 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>
> > On 1/13/08, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> >
> >> Please create this mailing list for discussion of Python standard
> >> library development.  We'll also need to update the sigs page:
> >>
> >> http://www.python.org/community/sigs/
> >
> > I'm assuming you want to create the listname "stdlib-sig", correct?
>
> Yes, thanks!
>
> > Can you tell me who the initial list owner will be, a short
> > description for the list, and any other appropriate data you may have?
>
> Brett, do you want to own the list?  If not, I'll do it.

We can both own it and both be slow about approving things.  =) But I
can't own it on my own as I already have all the tracker-related lists
plus PyCon lists plus python-ideas to manage.

-Brett

From brett at python.org  Wed Jan 16 23:12:39 2008
From: brett at python.org (Brett Cannon)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:12:39 -0000
Subject: [meta-sig] [stdlib-reorg] a dedicated stdlib list?
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c3b2ce339793@192.168.1.101>
References: <478A8E73.4020902@gmx.net>
	<9496C564-F3F8-4575-AE5C-6ED94CB94DD2@python.org>
	<p06240807c3b0b7155b4e@192.168.1.101>
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Message-ID: <bbaeab100801161412jdf15f09q44ca0c9fd1a6a20@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 15, 2008 1:02 PM, Brad Knowles <brad at python.org> wrote:
> On 1/15/08, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
> >>  We can both own it and both be slow about approving things.  =) But I
> >>  can't own it on my own as I already have all the tracker-related lists
> >>  plus PyCon lists plus python-ideas to manage.
> >
> >  Fair enough.  I'm happy to co-poorly-own it :)
>
> #insert <standard-spiel>:
>
> The list has now been created, and you should have already gotten the
> initial listowner password.

Actually, I have not received the email yet. Hopefully just a delay
somewhere in the relay.

-Brett