From guido@cnri.reston.va.us Tue Feb 3 19:28:56 1998 From: guido@cnri.reston.va.us (Guido van Rossum) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:28:56 -0500 Subject: [META-SIG] Terminating comatose SIGs again Message-ID: <199802031928.OAA17186@eric.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> Last December, I threatened that some clearly comatose SIGs would be terminated unless they showed some new signs of life. Some SIGs did show signs of life, or at least put up some resistance. However, the following SIGs are still comatose. I will terminate these within a week unless I receive strong objections. locator-sig pattern-sig progenv-sig web-sig I looked at recent traffic, and decided that the plot-sig may still have some life in it; the objc-sig clearly has some life, and for the the C++-sig and thread-sig, the SIG owners have requested additional time. These SIGs (and all others except for the meta-sig) will be re-evaluated in half a year. The archives for the terminated sigs will remain accessible; they will be collected on a separate page of "past SIGs". --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de Wed Feb 4 17:56:05 1998 From: fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de (Markus Fleck) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:56:05 +0100 Subject: [META-SIG] Status: call for creation of comp.lang.python.announce Message-ID: <34D8ABB5.1130@informatik.uni-bonn.de> Hi! I submitted the "Call for Votes" (CFV) data for the creation of a comp.lang.python.announce group to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) today, so the CFV can be expected any day now. PLEASE take your time and PARTICIPATE in the vote. For the vote to pass, there must be at least 100 more votes in favor of group creation than against group creation (and at least 2/3 of the valid votes received must be in favor). Yours, Markus. _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From friedrich@pythonpros.com Mon Feb 9 14:17:47 1998 From: friedrich@pythonpros.com (Robin Friedrich) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:17:47 -0600 Subject: [META-SIG] newsgroup CFV Message-ID: <34DF100B.5CC5EA59@pythonpros.com> I remember that a call for votes on c.l.p.announce was released but I have yet to see it show up in comp.lang.python (dejanews). Does anyone know more about it? -- Robin K. Friedrich Houston, Texas Python Professional Services, Inc. friedrich@pythonpros.com http://www.pythonpros.com _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de Mon Feb 9 16:38:55 1998 From: fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de (Markus Fleck) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:38:55 +0100 Subject: [META-SIG] newsgroup CFV References: <34DF100B.5CC5EA59@pythonpros.com> Message-ID: <34DF311F.B0F@informatik.uni-bonn.de> Robin Friedrich wrote: > I remember that a call for votes on c.l.p.announce was released but I > have yet to see it show up in comp.lang.python (dejanews). Does anyone > know more about it? The Call For Votes (CFV) will probably appear on comp.lang.python and on the python-list mailing list during the course of the next week. It be also be posted to the meta-sig mailing list. Yours, Markus. _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From James J. Davis" FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.lang.python.announce Newsgroups line: comp.lang.python.announce Announcements about the Python language. (Moderated) Instructions for voting are just before the ballot itself. Please read them before voting. If you have questions about the voting process, ask the votetaker. This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker, and it is not to be placed on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 6 Mar 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Markus Fleck Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: comp.lang.python.announce Traffic on comp.lang.python has grown to the point where readers would benefit from a separate newsgroup just for announcements. Moderating the newsgroup would ensure that it was low-volume. General discussion of Python would continue on the unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.python. CHARTER: comp.lang.python.announce Comp.lang.python.announce is a moderated, low-volume newsgroup for announcements regarding the Python programming language, including: - new releases of the core distribution and contributed software - events (user group meetings, conferences, training, etc.) - periodic postings (FAQs) - other items of general interest to the Python community This is not a discussion group. Posts are expected to have Followup-To: headers set to "poster" or an appropriate newsgroup; posts that omit this header will have a Followup-To: comp.lang.python inserted by the moderator. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.python.announce Moderator: Vladimir Ulogov Moderator: Markus Fleck Administrative contact address: python-announce@python.org Article submission address: python-announce@python.org END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: jjd@primenet.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on comp.lang.python.announce I vote NO on comp.lang.python.announce Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! 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Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: meta-sig@python.org Submission address: meta-sig@python.org Request address (optional): meta-sig-request@python.org Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: comp.databases comp.lang.java.advocacy comp.lang.java.softwaretools comp.lang.perl.misc comp.lang.perl.tk comp.lang.tcl comp.os.linux.misc comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 comp.programming.threads comp.software-eng comp.software.testing gnu.misc.discuss This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 980110 _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From klm@python.org Mon Feb 23 15:59:27 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:59:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [META-SIG] Mailing-list software migration trial Message-ID: <199802231559.KAA28902@glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> This is a heads-up about an experiment with new mailing list software on the meta-sig. I've finally had a bit of time to work with and tailor john viega's python-based mailing list software, mailman, with an eye to using it on python.org in place of the older and less flexibile majordomo that we've been using. Mailman offers a lot more, including web-based subscription customization and list administration, optional digest- based subscriptions, integration with a web-based archival mechanism, and more, so the migration looks very favorable. I'd like to do a full-fledged trial with the new mechanism before commissioning it wide-scale, and the meta-sig looks like a good candidate for this trial. This will mean that i'll be creating the archives and transferring over the subscriptions in the next few days (probably not before wednesday, due to work projects). At that point everyone will receive a notice of their "new" subscription, including a password and instructions for using it for customizing the subscription. I'll post another message immediately before making the transition, when i find a window to do so. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns about the impending changes! Ken Manheimer klm@python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From jjd@primenet.com Tue Feb 24 05:09:11 1998 From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:09:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [META-SIG] 2nd CFV: comp.lang.python.announce Message-ID: LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.lang.python.announce Newsgroups line: comp.lang.python.announce Announcements about the Python language. (Moderated) Instructions for voting are just before the ballot itself. Please read them before voting. If you have questions about the voting process, ask the votetaker. This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker, and it is not to be placed on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 6 Mar 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Markus Fleck Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: comp.lang.python.announce Traffic on comp.lang.python has grown to the point where readers would benefit from a separate newsgroup just for announcements. Moderating the newsgroup would ensure that it was low-volume. General discussion of Python would continue on the unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.python. CHARTER: comp.lang.python.announce Comp.lang.python.announce is a moderated, low-volume newsgroup for announcements regarding the Python programming language, including: - new releases of the core distribution and contributed software - events (user group meetings, conferences, training, etc.) - periodic postings (FAQs) - other items of general interest to the Python community This is not a discussion group. Posts are expected to have Followup-To: headers set to "poster" or an appropriate newsgroup; posts that omit this header will have a Followup-To: comp.lang.python inserted by the moderator. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.python.announce Moderator: Vladimir Ulogov Moderator: Markus Fleck Administrative contact address: python-announce@python.org Article submission address: python-announce@python.org END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: jjd@primenet.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on comp.lang.python.announce I vote NO on comp.lang.python.announce Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.iki.fi/~jpatokal/uvv/. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: meta-sig@python.org Submission address: meta-sig@python.org Request address (optional): meta-sig-request@python.org Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: comp.databases comp.lang.java.advocacy comp.lang.java.softwaretools comp.lang.perl.misc comp.lang.perl.tk comp.lang.tcl comp.os.linux.misc comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 comp.programming.threads comp.software-eng comp.software.testing gnu.misc.discuss This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 980110 _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From klm@python.org Wed Feb 25 23:20:00 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:20:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [META-SIG] First test Message-ID: <199802252320.SAA10622@glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> ... before subscribing others. Big fun. _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From klm@python.org Thu Feb 26 05:31:28 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:31:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman Message-ID: <199802260531.AAA11543@glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> I'm about to make the switchover of the meta-sig list to mailman. This means that you, as a current subscribers of the meta-sig, will be receiving a "welcome message" for the new version of the list. It will include your new list password and instructions for using it to change your subscription parameters, with lots of neat features. Check it out. If you have any questions or comments, either send them directly to me or, if you feel they're of general impact, post them to the meta-sig list. For those of you interested in using mailman, yourself, we've got the mailman package available at: ftp://ftp.python.org/pub/python/contrib/Network/mailman/ There is a set of my almost-current patches in that directory - i'm going to be replacing them tomorrow with a newer, better set, and you would probably be better off waiting a day before picking them up. I plan to continue to release patches as i progress, as well as starting a mailman-developers mailing list for others to join in the fun. That maillist will probably happen after the weekend, when john viega, mailman's author, gets some time to check back in on all this. Please let me know if you encounter any problems or questions! Ken Manheimer klm@python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # Thanks for joining the PSA! # # http://www.python.org/psa/ # _______________ META-SIG - SIG on Python.Org SIGs and Mailing Lists send messages to: meta-sig@python.org administrivia to: meta-sig-request@python.org _______________ From fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de Thu Feb 26 06:16:16 1998 From: fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de (Markus Fleck) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:16:16 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman] Message-ID: <34F508B0.6260@informatik.uni-bonn.de> Ken Manheimer wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Markus Fleck wrote: > > Is this really intended that the web page publicly > > displays all of the subscribers' email addresses? > > IMHO, people should have their privacy respected > > in respect to which mailing lists they subscribe to... > > This would be a great issue to bring up on the meta sig. > > Note that you can set whether or not your own address shows up. The > maillist manager can also inhibit it for the list as a whole, and the > site manager can designate the default setting (inhibited or not) for > the entire site. One question is, what's the prevailing preference. > > I should note that the list subscribership has been available for all > the majordomo lists as long as they've been around - anyone can get it > using the 'who' email command. (Some lists may have that inhibited.) > It's just more obvious that it's available here. The question is what > the default should be, and i'm open to being convinced one way or the > other. Would you be interested in opening the discussion to the > meta-sig list? Feel free to forward this message there, if you like. > (I probably won't be following up further this evening, since i'll be > heading to sleep shortly...) > > Ken Hi, fellow subscribers! Please speak out what you want! :-) Yours, Markus. From Robin.K.Friedrich@USAHQ.UnitedSpaceAlliance.com Thu Feb 26 14:07:21 1998 From: Robin.K.Friedrich@USAHQ.UnitedSpaceAlliance.com (Friedrich, Robin K) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:07:21 -0600 Subject: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman Message-ID: One (of probably several) mailman comment I noticed right away. I didn't see a way to simply change the email address for myself (I'm the record holder for the longest work address:-(, and I wanted to change this to my pythonpros address). The old paradigm is of course to unsubscribe and resubscribe under a new address. With this tool it ought to be simple (since we have passwords) to directly change the address information in place. Just a suggestion. Also, I'll be happy to tweak the web pages for appearance sake and possibly integrate HTMLgen if Ken/John wants. Robin K. Friedrich MCC/IPS Ops Center United Space Alliance PS. I love it!! From Robin.K.Friedrich@USAHQ.UnitedSpaceAlliance.com Thu Feb 26 14:13:15 1998 From: Robin.K.Friedrich@USAHQ.UnitedSpaceAlliance.com (Friedrich, Robin K) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:13:15 -0600 Subject: [meta-sig] [Fwd: Re: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman] Message-ID: >From: Markus Fleck[SMTP:fleck@informatik.uni-bonn.de] >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 12:16 AM >To: meta-sig@python.org >Subject: [meta-sig] [Fwd: Re: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman] > >Ken Manheimer wrote: >> >> On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Markus Fleck wrote: >> > Is this really intended that the web page publicly >> > displays all of the subscribers' email addresses? >> > IMHO, people should have their privacy respected >> > in respect to which mailing lists they subscribe to... >> >> This would be a great issue to bring up on the meta sig. >> I think we should do it like DejaNews and intentionally not have a page of email addresses that can be easily spidered by spam collectors. I think we need to have the real names only as the hyperlinks on this page. That information may not be available now but it should as we can subscribe with a web page and fill that in. From furnish@xdiv.lanl.gov Thu Feb 26 15:28:05 1998 From: furnish@xdiv.lanl.gov (Geoffrey M. Furnish) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:28:05 GMT Subject: [meta-sig] [Fwd: Re: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman] In-Reply-To: <34F508B0.6260@informatik.uni-bonn.de> References: <34F508B0.6260@informatik.uni-bonn.de> Message-ID: <199802261528.PAA00890@twix.lanl.gov> I think subscribership info should be publicly viewable by default. If specific individuals wish to hide their address from visibility, I would not deny them that privilege. Kind of like phone #'s in the phone book. Markus Fleck writes: > Hi, fellow subscribers! > > Please speak out what you want! :-) -- Geoffrey Furnish email: furnish@lanl.gov LANL XTM Radiation Transport/POOMA phone: 505-665-4529 fax: 505-665-5538 "Software complexity is an artifact of implementation." -Dan Quinlan From guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US Thu Feb 26 15:44:48 1998 From: guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:44:48 -0500 Subject: [meta-sig] RE: [meta-sig] [Fwd: Re: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:13:15 CST." References: Message-ID: <199802261544.KAA08445@eric.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> Robin wrote: > I think we should do it like DejaNews and intentionally not have a page > of email addresses that can be easily spidered by spam collectors. I > think we need to have the real names only as the hyperlinks on this > page. That information may not be available now but it should as we can > subscribe with a web page and fill that in. Seconded. This was my first thought as well when I saw the web page! --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From bwarsaw@CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Thu Feb 26 15:44:58 1998 From: bwarsaw@CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:44:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [meta-sig] RE: [meta-sig] [Fwd: Re: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman] References: <34F508B0.6260@informatik.uni-bonn.de> <199802261528.PAA00890@twix.lanl.gov> Message-ID: <13557.35991.246310.551307@anthem.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> >>>>> "GMF" == Geoffrey M Furnish writes: GMF> I think subscribership info should be publicly viewable by GMF> default. If specific individuals wish to hide their address GMF> from visibility, I would not deny them that privilege. Kind GMF> of like phone #'s in the phone book. There should be several options along the line of private, anonymously subscribed to fully public. Users should have an option of having only their name (and not email) displayed, both their name and email, or neither displayed. Of course private members still need to be able to edit their personal records. Maybe that hints to a structure where Mailman maintains a database of member information. It would be cool if this could be collated such that if I wanted to change my contact email address, or password, I'd only have to change this once, not for every list I'm on. I'd also be able to view my record, which would tell me which lists I'm on, and the subscription policy for each list. Mailman would then extract from this information the address necessary for sendmail :include: files. Mailman might already do some of this; I haven't looked at the code at all. This is all very cool. I hope Ken can get the mailman-developers list up and running soon. It would be a nice experiment of the bizarre^H^H^H^H^H^Hazaar concept of software development. I'm sure this could make serious inroads in the Majordomo world. Just some thoughts. -Barry From guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US Thu Feb 26 16:11:00 1998 From: guido@CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:11:00 -0500 Subject: [meta-sig] RE: [meta-sig] [Fwd: Re: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:28:05 GMT." <199802261528.PAA00890@twix.lanl.gov> References: <34F508B0.6260@informatik.uni-bonn.de> <199802261528.PAA00890@twix.lanl.gov> Message-ID: <199802261611.LAA08922@eric.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> > I think subscribership info should be publicly viewable by default. > If specific individuals wish to hide their address from visibility, I > would not deny them that privilege. Kind of like phone #'s in the > phone book. I certainly don't mind that anybody can see that I am a member of the meta-sig. But I do mind if spammers can easily scrape my address off the subscription page. (This is the same problem with the phone book: I want to be listed, but I don't want telemarketers to have easy access to the phone book in electronic form. Unfortunately Bell Atlantic makes too much money off telemarketers to give me that option. :-( ) Findmail has an elegant solution (maybe Deja News too): they publish the person's name, with a link to a page that contains the email address. This makes it sufficiently expensive for spammers to gather emails (since they would have to download a page for each address) to discourage them; if necessary, the server can impose a limit on the number of times such pages can be downloaded from a given address. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From mclay@nist.gov Thu Feb 26 09:32:43 1998 From: mclay@nist.gov (Michael McLay) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 04:32:43 -0500 Subject: [meta-sig] RE: [meta-sig] [Fwd: Re: [META-SIG] Switchover to mailman] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199802260932.EAA00836@fermi.eeel.nist.gov> Friedrich, Robin K writes: > > > >Ken Manheimer wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Markus Fleck wrote: > >> > Is this really intended that the web page publicly > >> > displays all of the subscribers' email addresses? > >> > IMHO, people should have their privacy respected > >> > in respect to which mailing lists they subscribe to... > >> > >> This would be a great issue to bring up on the meta sig. > >> > > I think we should do it like DejaNews and intentionally not have a page > of email addresses that can be easily spidered by spam collectors. I > think we need to have the real names only as the hyperlinks on this > page. That information may not be available now but it should as we can > subscribe with a web page and fill that in. I'd like to keep the names and email addresses around, but let's have them scrambled so that spiders can't recognize them as addresses, but humans can. mclay@nist.gov could be done as mclay at nist dot gov Of course a smart spider might be taught to recreate this, but I don't think that will happen anytime soon. It would also be nice if we could ask for some additional information beyond the email address. Name, phone number GPS coordinates... The visibility of this information should of course be controlled by the individual. Hopefully we won't end up with a list of