[melbourne-pug] melbourne-pug Digest, Vol 115, Issue 10

Thu Jan 28 06:19:29 EST 2016

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>    1. Re: Question re job ads from recruiters (N6151H)
>    2. Re: Question re job ads from recruiters (Andrew Stuart)
>    3. Python User Group meeting: Monday 1 February! (Ed Schofield)
>    4. Re: Python User Group meeting: Monday 1 February!
>       (Juan Nunez-Iglesias)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:51:37 +1100
> From: N6151H <n6151h at gmail.com>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Question re job ads from recruiters
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> Well said.
> On 27/01/2016 11:35 PM, <javier at candeira.com> wrote:
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> > On 2016-01-27 16:07, Andrew Stuart wrote:
> >
> >> I?m curious to know why the limitations on job postings from recruiters?
> >>
> >
> > Hi, Andrew.
> >
> > Thanks for asking. Also thanks for engaging the Python community as a
> > member, not as an outsider. I liked your Pycon Au presentation last year,
> > hope to see more from you in the future.
> >
> > Since I wrote the policy, and it's a bit ambiguous despite many voices
> > agreeing on its main thrust, here's my rationale for writing it:
> >
> > The Python Users Group is for the benefit of its members. Traffic on the
> > list has to have perceived benefits to them.
> >
> > Others have already spoken to the frustration of mismatched expectations
> > between posting and interview. But it's also true good recruiters can
> help
> > in matching jobs to candidates, if the candidates feel they have control
> > over their job search, by having enough information as they go in.
> Cloaked
> > posts are almost information free.
> >
> > Job postings that don't mention the employer nor the salary aren't useful
> > to MPUG members on the list for the following reasons:
> >
> > - people who are already looking for work can already find those same job
> > postings on seek, monster, etc. [1]
> >
> > - people who aren't already looking for work get no benefit, there's very
> > little incentive to ask about it.
> >
> > The only benefit of job postings with no stated employer/salary is to the
> > recruiters that can get a leg over other recruiters if people apply
> through
> > them instead of going through other people. If we said yes to this type
> of
> > cloaked postings, we'd get more of them, without any benefit for the
> > community.
> >
> > So really, recruiters per se are not the target of this policy. Postings
> > with no added value to our constituency are. Nobody has complained when
> > Planet Innovation, the BOM, Biarri or Medibank (recent examples I
> remember)
> > posted help wanted ads, not because they were not via recruiter, but
> > because posting was informational.
> >
> > These are useful help-wanted notices, both to those looking for work and
> > to those who aren't. We welcome this kind of postings by anyone. In fact,
> > these are the ones that stick enough that I have told people in my
> circles
> > to go talk to these companies if they were looking for work. I don't do
> > that with cloaked postings.
> >
> > I understand this may not have been clear enough, so I will find a better
> > redaction for the policy and link it to this email message for future
> > reference.
> >
> >> Perhaps if there was a jobs mailing list address then people could
> >> tune out of the noise by moving the job postings off the main list.
> >>
> >
> > Anybody who wants to start a melbourne-python-jobs mailing list can do
> it.
> > Many here might even subscribe to it, or send notices to it if they ever
> > need someone. Someone has to take on the job.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Javier
> >
> > [1] To be fair, search engines are spammier than recruiter emails, which
> > at least usually write to the mailing list for the programming language
> and
> > city fitting the position, while job postings on search engines are often
> > fishing expeditions mentioning languages that will never be used on the
> > job, cities that they hope the candidate will move from, etc. Still, the
> > consensus is that cloaked job postings are not good enough for a
> community
> > mailing list. We expect better.
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 06:00:44 +1100
> From: Andrew Stuart <andrew.stuart at supercoders.com.au>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Question re job ads from recruiters
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> Thanks Javier I understand and thanks for taking the time to explain.
>
> Andrew
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:26:17 +1100
> From: Ed Schofield <ed at pythoncharmers.com>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python User Group meeting: Monday 1 February!
> Message-ID: <D718C219-86AE-483B-892A-0A8FF2F1B9DA at pythoncharmers.com>
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> Hi everyone!
>
> We're going to hold the first Melbourne Python User Group meeting of 2016
> on Monday evening next week, 1 February.
>
> Please note that the start time will be *6:00 for 6:15pm*. (There have
> been some changes in the venue's policy that require that we not start
> setting up until 6pm.) It will be at Inspire9, Level 1, 41 Stewart Street,
> Richmond.
>
> Talks:
>
> - I'll give a survey talk about different Python data tools: toolz, NumPy,
> Pandas, xarray, Blaze, Dask, bcolz, and PySpark. The ecosystem has been
> evolving quickly and I'll give an overview comparing and contrasting these
> tools and when to use what for different applications.
>
> - There's time for more talks! If you'd like to give a talk, please email
> the list or me. We're keen to hear from you!
>
> Job forum:
>
> - Following on from recent email threads about jobs, we'll experiment with
> running a quick "job forum" like the Sydney Python User Group's. If you
> have a Python job you'd like to advertise, or if you are looking for a
> Python-related job, we'll give you the opportunity to take the mic!
>
> Then we'll have time for pizza, drinks and general catching up after the
> Christmas / New Year break.
>
> We'll have a good turnout on Monday according to the Meetup page. (If you
> are registered there but can no longer come, please change your status to
> "not coming" so the people on the waiting list can come!) I look forward to
> see you there!
>
> Best wishes,
>     Ed
>
>
> --
> Dr. Edward Schofield
> Python Charmers
> http://pythoncharmers.com <http://pythoncharmers.com/>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:48:14 +1100
> From: Juan Nunez-Iglesias <jni.soma at gmail.com>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Python User Group meeting: Monday 1
>         February!
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> Hey Ed! (et al)
>
> Any chance of postponing this to the 8th? Linux Conf Australia is on Feb
> 1-5 in Geelong and I'll be going to the Monday and Tuesday sessions. But
> I'd really like to come to the inaugural 2016 MPUG!
>
> Juan.
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