From brian at linuxpenguins.xyz  Sat Dec  5 21:43:48 2015
From: brian at linuxpenguins.xyz (Brian May)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 13:43:48 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.4 and Python 2.6
Message-ID: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>

Hello,

Just wondering if there are any operating systems or Linux distributions
that still support Python 2.4 or Python 2.6?

Reason I ask is because I got a pull request for one of my open source
projects saying I should still support Python 2.4.

Thanks
-- 
Brian May <brian at linuxpenguins.xyz>
https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/

From gcross at fastmail.fm  Sat Dec  5 21:58:40 2015
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 13:58:40 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.4 and Python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
References: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
Message-ID: <1449370720.788487.459235161.15870804@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Brian, 

>From memory, it is RHEL 5 that shipped with Python 2.4.

- Graeme 

On Sun, 6 Dec 2015, at 01:43 PM, Brian May wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Just wondering if there are any operating systems or Linux distributions
> that still support Python 2.4 or Python 2.6?
> 
> Reason I ask is because I got a pull request for one of my open source
> projects saying I should still support Python 2.4.
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> Brian May <brian at linuxpenguins.xyz>
> https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From javier at candeira.com  Sat Dec  5 22:55:16 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (javier at candeira.com)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 14:55:16 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.4 and Python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <1449370720.788487.459235161.15870804@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
 <1449370720.788487.459235161.15870804@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <deb80069e41317f3175983185e55a16c@candeira.com>

Ansible requires that any code that's going to be ran in the managed 
nodes adhere to Python2.4 syntax, for this very reason. Quoting one of 
the core members on IRC 5 minutes ago:

> as long as a ridiculous number of people still have centos/rhel 5  ....

Cheers,

J

On 2015-12-06 13:58, Graeme Cross wrote:
> Brian,
> 
> From memory, it is RHEL 5 that shipped with Python 2.4.
> 
> - Graeme
> 
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2015, at 01:43 PM, Brian May wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Just wondering if there are any operating systems or Linux 
>> distributions
>> that still support Python 2.4 or Python 2.6?
>> 
>> Reason I ask is because I got a pull request for one of my open source
>> projects saying I should still support Python 2.4.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Brian May <brian at linuxpenguins.xyz>
>> https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From javier at candeira.com  Sat Dec  5 22:48:34 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (javier at candeira.com)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 14:48:34 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] 7 December, 6pm, MPUG@Inspire9: 3 Python Books,
 Neural Networks with Lasagne, Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <23296ec0c90288f1351328fe3ff7fa1c@candeira.com>

Tomorrow 7 December, there's the last meeting of the year. Sorry for the 
late announcement!


Javier Candeira - Three Book Reviews

Jeremy Kirkwood - Neural Networks with Lasagne

Pycon Australia - Call for volunteers


We're running out of presentations, please come forward if you have 
something to share.


There will be pizza as usual, with a $10 contribution.

Enjoy,

Javier

From brian at linuxpenguins.xyz  Sun Dec  6 22:13:49 2015
From: brian at linuxpenguins.xyz (Brian May)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:13:49 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.4 and Python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <1449370720.788487.459235161.15870804@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
 <1449370720.788487.459235161.15870804@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <87vb8bhrwy.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>

Graeme Cross <gcross at fastmail.fm> writes:

> From memory, it is RHEL 5 that shipped with Python 2.4.

I see it still has security updates until March 31, 2017 and is
supported until November 30, 2020.

https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/

Assuming the reporter of the bus is using RHEL 5 (I will ask) I am
inclined to answer the pull request with:

* Redhat is paid to support RHEL; however this project is run entirely
  by one unpaid volunteer.
* The patch adds complexity for all versions of Python, including
  Python 3.5
* Thankyou for your contribution, however I am not interested in applying it at
  this time.

This is a bit different from the situation with Ansible, where the
authors really do want it to run everywhere.
-- 
Brian May <brian at linuxpenguins.xyz>
https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/

From gcross at fastmail.fm  Sun Dec  6 22:49:44 2015
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:49:44 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.4 and Python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <87vb8bhrwy.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
References: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
 <1449370720.788487.459235161.15870804@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <87vb8bhrwy.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
Message-ID: <1449460184.3083429.459887209.11A44D2C@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, at 02:13 PM, Brian May wrote:
> Graeme Cross <gcross at fastmail.fm> writes:
> 
> > From memory, it is RHEL 5 that shipped with Python 2.4.
> 
> I see it still has security updates until March 31, 2017 and is
> supported until November 30, 2020.
> 
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/
> 
> Assuming the reporter of the bus is using RHEL 5 (I will ask) I am
> inclined to answer the pull request with:
> 
> * Redhat is paid to support RHEL; however this project is run entirely
>   by one unpaid volunteer.
> * The patch adds complexity for all versions of Python, including
>   Python 3.5
> * Thankyou for your contribution, however I am not interested in applying
>   it at this time.
> 

Brian,

It would be worth asking them if they can do a parallel install of a
more recent Python version; for example, via Fedora EPEL or Rackspace's
IUS:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
https://ius.io/

There are plenty of good instructions on the web on how to do this for
RHEL 5.

Then again, the reporter may be maintaining mission critical systems
that can't be touched.

Regards,
Graeme



From javier at candeira.com  Sun Dec  6 23:38:54 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (javier at candeira.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 15:38:54 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.4 and Python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <1449460184.3083429.459887209.11A44D2C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
 <1449370720.788487.459235161.15870804@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <87vb8bhrwy.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
 <1449460184.3083429.459887209.11A44D2C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <4ca560a541bb8c1eafd98d1ff9d08a4d@candeira.com>

Hi Brian,

I'm assuming this is about your work with sshuttle. Thanks a lot for 
that, btw!

On 2015-12-07 14:49, Graeme Cross wrote:
> Brian,
> 
> It would be worth asking them if they can do a parallel install of a
> more recent Python version; for example, via Fedora EPEL or Rackspace's
> IUS:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
> https://ius.io/
> 
> There are plenty of good instructions on the web on how to do this for
> RHEL 5.
> 
> Then again, the reporter may be maintaining mission critical systems
> that can't be touched.

I've now read the issue and the patch, and I think the reporter knows 
well
enough how to maintain his own patchset for his own servers, and could 
install
any Python version if he wanted. His interest is in publishing his 
patches.

https://github.com/sshuttle/sshuttle/pull/37/files

>> * Redhat is paid to support RHEL; however this project is run entirely
>>   by one unpaid volunteer.
>> * The patch adds complexity for all versions of Python, including
>>   Python 3.5
>> * Thankyou for your contribution, however I am not interested in 
>> applying
>>   it at this time.

I think this is a good answer. There's a lot of discussion about how to 
make
open source work sustainable emotionally as well as technically and 
economically,
and the answer is "have boundaries". Yours seem to me perfectly good.

However, there may be a different compromise that is both low-commitment 
but high-potential:

You can offer the patch poster advertising space on the main project's 
README, if he wants to maintain his own python2.4-compatible fork 
indefinitely. Something like: "sshuttle does not support Python 2.4 
compatiblity, but viera's sshuttle-oldpy fork does. Buyer beware etc.".

- If he takes the offer, you might wait a couple of revisions to see how 
good he is at keeping up and merging upstream, and then consider whether 
you want to offer him co-maintainership in the main project. Win/win!

- Or you may just want to continue the statu quo where you maintain the 
main project and he maintains a legacy support fork. No hassles!

- Or, if he doesn't take the offer and/or abandons his fork, you can 
simply not link or stop linking. Nothing lost!

Thanks again for maintaining sshuttle! Mighty useful thing!

J

From a.kuplevakhskyi at gmail.com  Sun Dec  6 16:50:12 2015
From: a.kuplevakhskyi at gmail.com (Andrew Kuplevakhskyi)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 23:50:12 +0200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.4 and Python 2.6
In-Reply-To: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
References: <87poyke1p7.fsf@prune.linuxpenguins.xyz>
Message-ID: <CAMEVTmVHriZ5vJUCFkgu_sc7kXoUw=0Be8kdmNCvAbKRzrR_Gw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

At work we're using RHEL 6 with Python 2.6 preinstalled on it. From this I
can expect that RHEL 5 ships with Python 2.6 as other point out here.

Regards,
Andrew Kuplevakhskyi
On Dec 6, 2015 4:50 AM, "Brian May" <brian at linuxpenguins.xyz> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Just wondering if there are any operating systems or Linux distributions
> that still support Python 2.4 or Python 2.6?
>
> Reason I ask is because I got a pull request for one of my open source
> projects saying I should still support Python 2.4.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Brian May <brian at linuxpenguins.xyz>
> https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From ewan.nisbet at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  7 03:57:21 2015
From: ewan.nisbet at hotmail.com (ewan.nisbet at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 08:57:21 +0000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Future talks
Message-ID: <BLU406-EAS1190E6C8192D2972552253FB090@phx.gbl>



Hi all


I came along for the first time tonight, but couldnt hang around afterwards.


I saw on the wiki page there is interest in devops/cloud computing. Ive spent some time recently using python to interact with the softlayer.com api, as well as building a small flask app on bluemix.net (cloudfoundry)


If there is interest in either / both of these, i think I'll be? available to present at either of your next two events - feel free to reach out if you want to lock this in


Regards

Ewan


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From kirkwood.jeremy at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 17:16:07 2015
From: kirkwood.jeremy at gmail.com (Jeremy Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:16:07 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Dec 7 Talk
Message-ID: <CABU3S9_WmctvQ=d7JJaP-8UHxfOfPMzRR-LYk6N9F+4RdrCNmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for coming last night.

I have put my ipython notebook up on github if anyone is interested.
Feedback and questions welcome.

https://github.com/jaykk/PUG-Talk-7Dec2015

Thanks again,
Jeremy
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From javier at candeira.com  Mon Dec  7 21:35:38 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (javier at candeira.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 13:35:38 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Dec 7 Talk
In-Reply-To: <CABU3S9_WmctvQ=d7JJaP-8UHxfOfPMzRR-LYk6N9F+4RdrCNmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABU3S9_WmctvQ=d7JJaP-8UHxfOfPMzRR-LYk6N9F+4RdrCNmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ba004599061027deb5dfe62052a8f66@candeira.com>

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks so much for coming and giving your talk. Also thanks to David 
Micallef for organising pizza, and Mike Dewhirst for bringing IPA beer.

A reminder: we need volunteers both to give talks and to organise the 
meetings. Please speak up!

Happy New Year,

Javier and the MPUG organisers.

On 2015-12-08 09:16, Jeremy Kirkwood wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Thanks for coming last night.
> 
> I have put my ipython notebook up on github if anyone is interested.
> Feedback and questions welcome.
> 
> https://github.com/jaykk/PUG-Talk-7Dec2015 [1]
> 
> Thanks again,
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://github.com/jaykk/PUG-Talk-7Dec2015
> 
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From javier at candeira.com  Mon Dec  7 21:42:44 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (javier at candeira.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 13:42:44 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Future talks
In-Reply-To: <BLU406-EAS1190E6C8192D2972552253FB090@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU406-EAS1190E6C8192D2972552253FB090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <db74dc44f5104b9efdb3d267f090108f@candeira.com>

Sounds very good. the February 1st meeting is completely empty so far.
Please add yourself to the wiki at your convenience!

Thanks a lot,

J and the organisers.

On 2015-12-07 19:57, ewan.nisbet at hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I came along for the first time tonight, but couldnt hang around
> afterwards.
> 
> I saw on the wiki page there is interest in devops/cloud computing.
> Ive spent some time recently using python to interact with the
> softlayer.com api, as well as building a small flask app on
> bluemix.net (cloudfoundry)
> 
> If there is interest in either / both of these, i think I'll be
> available to present at either of your next two events - feel free to
> reach out if you want to lock this in
> 
> Regards
>  Ewan
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile [1]
> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://aka.ms/blhgte
> 
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From javier at candeira.com  Mon Dec  7 22:21:43 2015
From: javier at candeira.com (javier at candeira.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 14:21:43 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Dec 7 Talk
In-Reply-To: <CABU3S9_WmctvQ=d7JJaP-8UHxfOfPMzRR-LYk6N9F+4RdrCNmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABU3S9_WmctvQ=d7JJaP-8UHxfOfPMzRR-LYk6N9F+4RdrCNmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426c92e206abf28e3e3aede6e39587ff@candeira.com>

By the way, I made a tweetstorm with the links to the three books from 
yesterday:

https://twitter.com/darwindavem/status/673815082480984064

Cheers,

Javier


On 2015-12-08 09:16, Jeremy Kirkwood wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Thanks for coming last night.
> 
> I have put my ipython notebook up on github if anyone is interested.
> Feedback and questions welcome.
> 
> https://github.com/jaykk/PUG-Talk-7Dec2015 [1]
> 
> Thanks again,
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://github.com/jaykk/PUG-Talk-7Dec2015
> 
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug