From gcross at fastmail.fm Mon Jun 3 00:13:42 2013 From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:13:42 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: MPUG meeting tonight References: <1369739939.19966.140661236569485.1AD389E8@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone. A reminder that the next Melbourne Python Users Group meeting is tonight (June 3), 6pm at Inspire 9, 1/41 Stewart Street, Richmond. For those who haven't been to Inspire 9 before, it is just opposite Richmond train station: http://www.inspire9.com/ https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1/41+Stewart+Street,+Richmond It is not too late to volunteer a presentation; just let me know and add yourself to the list of talks on the MPUG wiki page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG At this stage, we have one talk (I'll be giving a talk on useful Python one-liners and how they work so you can write your own). If we don't have any other talks, we will have an open session to discuss your Python questions and problems -- feel welcome to bring along code you are having problems with or questions about parts of Python you don't understand. At the end of the presentations, we will have pizza and drinks. If you are coming, please RSVP via Meetup so we have an idea of numbers for seating etc. http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Python-Meetup-Group/events/116549932/ Regards, Graeme From gcross at fastmail.fm Mon Jun 3 13:43:00 2013 From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 21:43:00 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting Message-ID: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi all. As promised at tonight's MPUG meeting, here are the links to my talk on Python one-liners and some other links from topics that we covered this evening (did I miss any?) http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=343 http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=358 The next meeting is on Monday July 1. And if you haven't registered yet for PyCon AU, hurry up! You need to register by next Tuesday if you'd like a conference T-shirt... http://2013.pycon-au.org/register/prices Regards Graeme From gcross at fastmail.fm Mon Jun 3 13:48:58 2013 From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 21:48:58 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1370260138.5361.140661239139069.72C6AFE6@webmail.messagingengine.com> Grrrr... Let's try that again; that first link should have been: http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=353 (the first link is to my notes from last month's meeting, not the talk from this month) On Mon, Jun 3, 2013, at 09:43 PM, Graeme Cross wrote: > Hi all. > > As promised at tonight's MPUG meeting, here are the links to my talk on > Python one-liners and some other links from topics that we covered this > evening (did I miss any?) > > http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=343 > > http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=358 > > The next meeting is on Monday July 1. > > And if you haven't registered yet for PyCon AU, hurry up! You need to > register by next Tuesday if you'd like a conference T-shirt... > > http://2013.pycon-au.org/register/prices > > Regards > Graeme From william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 13:52:57 2013 From: william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com (William ML Leslie) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:52:57 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Thinking about your pygrep, I would like to share something similar I've been using. alias sgrep='grep -R -E --exclude-dir=.git --exclude-dir=.svn --exclude-dir=.hg --exclude-dir=test --exclude='\''*~'\'' --binary-files=without-match ' I entirely divorced rope since I started using this sgrep a few years ago. You can make it python specific of course, but this happens to 'work' for most of my projects. And of course there's ack, if you like that sort of thing. -- William Leslie Notice: Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under copyright law. You absolutely may reproduce any part of it in accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in. Any attempt to deny you those rights would be illegal without prior contractual agreement. From dan.peade at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 14:45:27 2013 From: dan.peade at gmail.com (dan) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:45:27 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Another alias... purge any pyc files from your project (only useful if this is not set http://docs.python.org/2/using/cmdline.html#envvar-PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE): alias delpyc='find ./ -type f -name "*.pyc" -exec rm -f {} \;' On 3 June 2013 21:52, William ML Leslie wrote: > Thinking about your pygrep, I would like to share something similar > I've been using. > > alias sgrep='grep -R -E --exclude-dir=.git --exclude-dir=.svn > --exclude-dir=.hg --exclude-dir=test --exclude='\''*~'\'' > --binary-files=without-match ' > > I entirely divorced rope since I started using this sgrep a few years > ago. You can make it python specific of course, but this happens to > 'work' for most of my projects. And of course there's ack, if you > like that sort of thing. > > -- > William Leslie > > Notice: > Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered > under copyright law. You absolutely may reproduce any part of it in > accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this > in. Any attempt to deny you those rights would be illegal without > prior contractual agreement. > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- Peace! Dan Homer's Brain: Use reverse psychology. Homer: Oh, that sounds too complicated. Homer's Brain: Okay, don't use reverse psychology. Homer: Okay, I will! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From delfick755 at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 15:33:03 2013 From: delfick755 at gmail.com (Stephen Moore) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:33:03 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Even better is find . -type f -name "*.pyc" -delete Or if you have zsh rm **/*.pyc :) On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM, dan wrote: > Another alias... purge any pyc files from your project (only useful if this > is not set > http://docs.python.org/2/using/cmdline.html#envvar-PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE): > > alias delpyc='find ./ -type f -name "*.pyc" -exec rm -f {} \;' > > > On 3 June 2013 21:52, William ML Leslie > wrote: >> >> Thinking about your pygrep, I would like to share something similar >> I've been using. >> >> alias sgrep='grep -R -E --exclude-dir=.git --exclude-dir=.svn >> --exclude-dir=.hg --exclude-dir=test --exclude='\''*~'\'' >> --binary-files=without-match ' >> >> I entirely divorced rope since I started using this sgrep a few years >> ago. You can make it python specific of course, but this happens to >> 'work' for most of my projects. And of course there's ack, if you >> like that sort of thing. >> >> -- >> William Leslie >> >> Notice: >> Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered >> under copyright law. You absolutely may reproduce any part of it in >> accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this >> in. Any attempt to deny you those rights would be illegal without >> prior contractual agreement. >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> melbourne-pug at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > > > > -- > Peace! > Dan > > Homer's Brain: Use reverse psychology. > Homer: Oh, that sounds too complicated. > Homer's Brain: Okay, don't use reverse psychology. > Homer: Okay, I will! > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > From william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 15:41:27 2013 From: william.leslie.ttg at gmail.com (William ML Leslie) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:41:27 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 3 June 2013 23:33, Stephen Moore wrote: > Even better is > find . -type f -name "*.pyc" -delete I remember once having to do this. I'd changed types.CodeType in such a way as to break marshalling .pyc files, and didn't change the pyc magic number. If I ever saw anyone else doing it, I'd guess that they weren't aware of .hgignore. (or .gitignore, if that's your flavour.) -- William Leslie Notice: Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under copyright law. You absolutely may reproduce any part of it in accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in. Any attempt to deny you those rights would be illegal without prior contractual agreement. From dan.peade at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 16:07:32 2013 From: dan.peade at gmail.com (dan) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 00:07:32 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 3 June 2013 23:41, William ML Leslie wrote: > On 3 June 2013 23:33, Stephen Moore wrote: > > Even better is > > find . -type f -name "*.pyc" -delete > > I remember once having to do this. I'd changed types.CodeType in such > a way as to break marshalling .pyc files, and didn't change the pyc > magic number. > > If I ever saw anyone else doing it, I'd guess that they weren't aware > of .hgignore. (or .gitignore, if that's your flavour.) > > Nope well aware of those. Occasionally stale pyc files are actually the cause of the pain, hence the need to get nuclear on them. > -- > William Leslie > > Notice: > Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered > under copyright law. 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URL: From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 06:38:07 2013 From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:38:07 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Awesome, thanks Graeme. Looks like I'm not going to be making it to the *next* meeting either. See you at PyCon AU! On 3 June 2013 21:43, Graeme Cross wrote: > Hi all. > > As promised at tonight's MPUG meeting, here are the links to my talk on > Python one-liners and some other links from topics that we covered this > evening (did I miss any?) > > http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=343 > > http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=358 > > The next meeting is on Monday July 1. > > And if you haven't registered yet for PyCon AU, hurry up! You need to > register by next Tuesday if you'd like a conference T-shirt... > > http://2013.pycon-au.org/register/prices > > Regards > Graeme > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam at nipl.net Tue Jun 4 06:52:56 2013 From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:52:56 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20130604045256.GI17662@opal.nipl.net> > pyc files I simply find it's annoying having to look at them. Don't like my `ls` to be 50% noise. Same problem with .o files in C. Might be nicer if they were hidden files on *nix, or stored elsewhere. I could wrap or hack an ls for my own use, which treats them as hidden files. Speaking of aliases, there are many gotchas and limitations with aliases and shell functions. I write short shell scripts, each in a separate file. I can use them from other scripts as needed, I can write them in any language. There's rarely if ever any noticable performance hit. Even my `ls` aliases are little shell scripts, e.g. my `ll`: #!/bin/sh ls -ltcr --color=tty "$@" From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 07:04:35 2013 From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:04:35 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20130604045256.GI17662@opal.nipl.net> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20130604045256.GI17662@opal.nipl.net> Message-ID: Sam, you need to migrate to Py3k - pyc files are hidden away :-) On 4 June 2013 14:52, Sam Watkins wrote: > > pyc files > > I simply find it's annoying having to look at them. Don't like my `ls` > to be 50% noise. Same problem with .o files in C. > > Might be nicer if they were hidden files on *nix, or stored elsewhere. > I could wrap or hack an ls for my own use, which treats them as hidden > files. > > > Speaking of aliases, there are many gotchas and limitations with aliases > and shell functions. I write short shell scripts, each in a separate file. > I can use them from other scripts as needed, I can write them in any > language. There's rarely if ever any noticable performance hit. > > Even my `ls` aliases are little shell scripts, e.g. my `ll`: > > #!/bin/sh > ls -ltcr --color=tty "$@" > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noonslists at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 07:14:31 2013 From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:14:31 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20130604045256.GI17662@opal.nipl.net> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20130604045256.GI17662@opal.nipl.net> Message-ID: Thanks Sam, good tip, I didn't think of doing this! And anyway, as if people are using alias's for tasks that should be automated say in their text editor or build system ... As for pygrep, is there some reason people are not using ack-grep? On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Sam Watkins wrote: > > pyc files > > I simply find it's annoying having to look at them. Don't like my `ls` > to be 50% noise. Same problem with .o files in C. > > Might be nicer if they were hidden files on *nix, or stored elsewhere. > I could wrap or hack an ls for my own use, which treats them as hidden > files. > > > Speaking of aliases, there are many gotchas and limitations with aliases > and shell functions. I write short shell scripts, each in a separate file. > I can use them from other scripts as needed, I can write them in any > language. There's rarely if ever any noticable performance hit. > > Even my `ls` aliases are little shell scripts, e.g. my `ll`: > > #!/bin/sh > ls -ltcr --color=tty "$@" > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- Noon Silk Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/ "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy of being this signature." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Same problem with .o files in C. >> >> Might be nicer if they were hidden files on *nix, or stored elsewhere. >> I could wrap or hack an ls for my own use, which treats them as hidden >> files. >> >> >> Speaking of aliases, there are many gotchas and limitations with aliases >> and shell functions. I write short shell scripts, each in a separate >> file. >> I can use them from other scripts as needed, I can write them in any >> language. There's rarely if ever any noticable performance hit. >> >> Even my `ls` aliases are little shell scripts, e.g. my `ll`: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> ls -ltcr --color=tty "$@" >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> melbourne-pug at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >> > > > > -- > Noon Silk > > Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/ > > "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy > of being this signature." > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From javier at candeira.com Tue Jun 4 08:53:43 2013 From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:53:43 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <1370260138.5361.140661239139069.72C6AFE6@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1370260138.5361.140661239139069.72C6AFE6@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Yes, thanks, Graeme, I wish I hadn't had to solve 3-SAT with pizzas for the first half of your talk; the part I actually paid attention gave me a couple of ideas to use at work. Cheers, Javier On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Graeme Cross wrote: > Grrrr... Let's try that again; that first link should have been: > > http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=353 > > (the first link is to my notes from last month's meeting, not the talk > from this month) > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013, at 09:43 PM, Graeme Cross wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> As promised at tonight's MPUG meeting, here are the links to my talk on >> Python one-liners and some other links from topics that we covered this >> evening (did I miss any?) >> >> http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=343 >> >> http://www.curiousvenn.com/?p=358 >> >> The next meeting is on Monday July 1. >> >> And if you haven't registered yet for PyCon AU, hurry up! You need to >> register by next Tuesday if you'd like a conference T-shirt... >> >> http://2013.pycon-au.org/register/prices >> >> Regards >> Graeme > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug From gcross at fastmail.fm Tue Jun 4 09:58:35 2013 From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 17:58:35 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20130604045256.GI17662@opal.nipl.net> Message-ID: <1370332715.6493.140661239573397.60661F0B@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013, at 03:14 PM, Noon Silk wrote: Thanks Sam, good tip, I didn't think of doing this! And anyway, as if people are using alias's for tasks that should be automated say in their text editor or build system ... As for pygrep, is there some reason people are not using ack-grep? Simple reason: every system I work on has grep and I have been slow shifting them all over to ack, which is definitely nicer and more powerful. For anyone on the list who is not familiar with ack: [1]http://beyondgrep.com/ Regards Graeme References 1. http://beyondgrep.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin at acommoncreative.com Tue Jun 4 09:25:48 2013 From: colin at acommoncreative.com (Colin Rolfe) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 17:25:48 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] MelbDjango Message-ID: <51AD967C.2010407@acommoncreative.com> Hello Pythonistas! MelbDjango is a meetup for Django developers and is hosted at Common Code's (www.commoncode.com.au) code shop in Abbotsford. We're trying to hold our meetups on the second Thursday of every month, so we should not conflict with the MPUG meetup. I am the main point of contact if anyone would like to present or has any questions. Our first night in May filled up before we could put the word out to the MPUG list, so hopefully this gives you a chance to RSVP while there's still room. "Managing and Deploying Your Django Project" is the theme of this month's event and we'll have presentations touching on PostgreSQL, piprot (www.github.com/sesh/piprot) and Fabric. Please RSVP via Meetup if interested: http://www.meetup.com/MelbDjango/events/116904692/ and follow us on Twitter (@MelbDjango). P.S. Common Code is on the lookout for Django and/or JavaScript developers if you're looking for a new opportunity... Thanks, Colin From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au Wed Jun 5 06:16:55 2013 From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:16:55 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] python expect Message-ID: Hello, Just wondering if there is non-broken python bindings for expect? 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(or .gitignore, if that's > your flavour.) You assume that the VCS is the only thing I want to avoid seeing those files. Not true; I also want my text editor's file browser, my shell's filename completion, my packaging tools, my deployment tools, etc. to avoid seeing them. Rather than having to configure every single developer tool to ignore those files, I prefer to have a simple way to just make them go away. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because you've found one common reason to do something, that you've found all the reasons for it. -- \ ?As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we | `\ should be glad to serve others by any invention of ours; and | _o__) this we should do freely and generously.? ?Benjamin Franklin | Ben Finney From ben+python at benfinney.id.au Wed Jun 5 11:33:33 2013 From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:33:33 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] MelbDjango References: <51AD967C.2010407@acommoncreative.com> Message-ID: <7wip1sewb6.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Colin Rolfe writes: > Please RSVP via Meetup if interested: > http://www.meetup.com/MelbDjango/events/116904692/ Meetup refuses to allow my preferred email address so I don't have an account there (if anyone else wants to see this improved, please see ). But the meetup sounds great, and I hope to make it along. Thanks! -- \ ?I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the | `\ best.? ?Oscar Wilde | _o__) | Ben Finney From noonslists at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 12:39:24 2013 From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:39:24 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <7wmwr4ewgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <7wmwr4ewgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > William ML Leslie writes: > > > If I ever saw anyone else [explicitly deleting ?*.pyc? files], I'd > > guess that they weren't aware of .hgignore. (or .gitignore, if that's > > your flavour.) > > [...] > Don't make the mistake of thinking that because you've found one common > reason to do something, that you've found all the reasons for it. > > Haha, this is quite an outrageous ending to an otherwise reasonable email; he said "guess" not "know with certainty"; it's kind of obvious a guess can be wrong. > -- > \ ?As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we | > `\ should be glad to serve others by any invention of ours; and | > _o__) this we should do freely and generously.? ?Benjamin Franklin | > Ben Finney > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- Noon Silk Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/ "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy of being this signature." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Note that gmail at least happily removes what appears to be an arbitrary number of dots in email identifiers. So then I guess you could assign a certain number of dots to meetup.com, and identify emails from them in that way :) But the meetup sounds great, and I hope to make it along. Thanks! > > -- > \ ?I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the | > `\ best.? ?Oscar Wilde | > _o__) | > Ben Finney > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- Noon Silk Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/ "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy of being this signature." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From sam at nipl.net Thu Jun 6 08:35:22 2013 From: sam at nipl.net (Sam Watkins) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:35:22 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <7wmwr4ewgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <7wmwr4ewgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Message-ID: <20130606063522.GN17662@opal.nipl.net> On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 07:30:11PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > I also want my text editor's file browser, my shell's > filename completion, my packaging tools, my deployment tools, etc. to > avoid seeing them. (.pyc files) You can tell python >= 2.6 not to generate any pyc files: "Python can now be prevented from writing .pyc or .pyo files by supplying the -B switch to the Python interpreter, or by setting the PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE environment variable before running the interpreter." From dan.peade at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 08:40:29 2013 From: dan.peade at gmail.com (dan) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:40:29 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Notes from tonight's MPUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20130606063522.GN17662@opal.nipl.net> References: <1370259780.4260.140661239135565.09113675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <7wmwr4ewgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <20130606063522.GN17662@opal.nipl.net> Message-ID: On 6 June 2013 16:35, Sam Watkins wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 07:30:11PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > I also want my text editor's file browser, my shell's > > filename completion, my packaging tools, my deployment tools, etc. to > > avoid seeing them. (.pyc files) > > You can tell python >= 2.6 not to generate any pyc files: > > "Python can now be prevented from writing .pyc or .pyo files by > supplying the -B switch to the Python interpreter, or by setting > the PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE environment variable before running the > interpreter." > Yeah I did actually mention that prior to things getting slightly heated all up in this here thread. But that's a more complete explanation so all good. > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- Peace! Dan Homer's Brain: Use reverse psychology. Homer: Oh, that sounds too complicated. Homer's Brain: Okay, don't use reverse psychology. Homer: Okay, I will! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface." -- Doug McIllroy From tim at emergetec.com Mon Jun 10 05:46:13 2013 From: tim at emergetec.com (Tim Knapp) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:46:13 +1200 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Kiwi PyCon 2013 Financial Aid program Message-ID: Hi, The Kiwi PyCon 2013 Organising Committee would like to announce the availability of the Kiwi PyCon 2013 Financial Aid program. The program's purpose is to make the conference accessible to everyone, particularly those who due to financial difficulties would otherwise not be able to attend. We are particularly interested in potential speakers as it would be a shame for the conference to miss out on your talk contribution merely due to financial concerns. Further information regarding the program can be found here: http://nz.pycon.org/financial-aid/ And don't forget the Call for Proposals ends next Tuesday, June 18 so please get those talk/tutorial submissions in! -- Kind regards, Tim Knapp (On behalf of the Kiwi PyCon 2013 Organising Committee) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gus at projectgus.com Tue Jun 11 09:06:09 2013 From: gus at projectgus.com (Angus Gratton) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:06:09 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Call for coaches: OTS this Saturday - Introduction to Data Processing with Python Message-ID: <20130611070603.GA8062@ex2> Hi Melbourne Pythonistas, We're running another beginner programming workshop this Saturday and it'd be great if some of you could come and join in as coaches. We're starting a new workshop this time, "Introduction to Data Processing with Python" aims to take new programmers from our beginner workshop and introduce them to IPython Notebook, reading structured data from flat text files and plotting results with matplotlib. Familiarity with these tools is NOT a prerequisite for coaching, though, just a familiarity with Python! We're also running Introduction to Programming with Python in parallel so there are lots of things to potentially coach. We are all volunteers at OpenTechSchool, we teach beginners how to code using open technology. The courses are free of charge and all the coursework is open-source as well and hosted on GitHub. If you are thinking about coaching then please come along and try it out! We are a fun bunch and you'll get the opportunity to socialise with fellow Pythonistas. We even have a little coaching guide to give a taste of what it is like: http://opentechschool.github.io/slides/presentations/coaching/ Where: Electron Workshop, 31 Arden St, North Melbourne When: this Saturday 15th, 11:45am. What: http://opentechschool.github.io/python-data-intro If you're coming then you don't need to formally RSVP anywhere, although it'd be great if you could shoot me an email off-list just so I can estimate numbers. Thanks everyone, - Angus From ben+python at benfinney.id.au Wed Jun 12 05:40:04 2013 From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:40:04 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Call for coaches: OTS this Saturday - Introduction to Data Processing with Python References: <20130611070603.GA8062@ex2> Message-ID: <7wobbc6lpn.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Angus Gratton writes: > If you are thinking about coaching then please come along and try it > out! We are a fun bunch and you'll get the opportunity to socialise > with fellow Pythonistas. We even have a little coaching guide to give > a taste of what it is like: > http://opentechschool.github.io/slides/presentations/coaching/ > > Where: Electron Workshop, 31 Arden St, North Melbourne > When: this Saturday 15th, 11:45am. > What: http://opentechschool.github.io/python-data-intro Sounds wonderful, Angus! How much time should attendees expect to spend there? -- \ ?Oh, I realize it's a penny here and a penny there, but look at | `\ me: I've worked myself up from nothing to a state of extreme | _o__) poverty.? ?Groucho Marx | Ben Finney From gus at projectgus.com Wed Jun 12 06:42:35 2013 From: gus at projectgus.com (Angus Gratton) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:42:35 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Call for coaches: OTS this Saturday - Introduction to Data Processing with Python In-Reply-To: <7wobbc6lpn.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <20130611070603.GA8062@ex2> <7wobbc6lpn.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Message-ID: <20130612044234.GD31463@ex2> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 01:40:04PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Sounds wonderful, Angus! > > How much time should attendees expect to spend there? Thanks Ben! When I wrote the email I just knew I'd miss at least one important detail. :) The workshop officially runs 12pm until 4pm. There's no strict requirement to stay the whole time of course, feel free to come & go when it suits you. - Angus From javier at candeira.com Fri Jun 21 01:55:09 2013 From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:55:09 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next MPUG session, 1 July, 6pm, Inspire9, Level 1, 41 Stewart St Richmond Message-ID: Calling all Melbourne Pythonistas: This is a reminder that the next meeting of the Melbourne Python Users Group will be next 1 July, starting at 6pm, and as usual at Inspire9, Level 1, 41 Stewart St Richmond. Just outside Richmond train station. We still don't have any talks lined up, so I'd like to invite all and any of you who's planning to give a talk at Pycon AU to rehearse it at MPUG. You can tell us via this mailing list or write yourself up at the wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG. Why rehearse your Pycon AU talk at MPUG? It's good for everyone: - For you: you get to check your timing, your content, what works and what doesn't - For the audience: many of the melbourne locals can't make it to Hobart, so they get to watch your Pycon talk too! - For the MPUG continuity: the session is programmed with prepared and rehearsed talks, instead of the organisers ourselves fixing something up in a hurry (/me averts eyes guiltily) So, for the win of all, please step forward! Also as usual, there'll be pizza from Crust at the tune of $10 per person. Please let us know when you pay whether you have any dietary requirement: vegetarian, vegan, fish allergy, etc. Also there's beer from the Inspire 9 fridge, with a minimum donation of $5, or more if you feel like it. They provide the space for free and they stock the beer fridge, so let's shout them a couple of bottles! Thanks, Javier and the MPUG organisers. J From javier at candeira.com Fri Jun 21 01:56:53 2013 From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:56:53 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Which 3G dongle for the Raspberry Pi? Message-ID: I'm using a Raspberry PI for a project which will be accessible via 3G. I've seen several tutorials for connecting to different 3G dongles, but I wonder if any of the mpug folks can recommend a particular make/model/provider. Thanks, Javier From nick at back-pain-self-help.com Mon Jun 24 07:56:41 2013 From: nick at back-pain-self-help.com (Nick Mellor) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:56:41 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python Job, Melbourne Message-ID: Hi all, My present manager is looking for a Python developer in North Melbourne. If interested, have a look at: http://www.seek.com.au/job/24742684 Or send your CV to Kester Naismith (kester.naismith at salmat.com.au ) Cheers, Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would be remiss if I were to omit that we have no budget for this currently :-) -- \ ?Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a | `\ good example.? ?Mark Twain, _Pudd'n'head Wilson_ | _o__) | Ben Finney From mickgardner at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 07:56:07 2013 From: mickgardner at gmail.com (Michael Gardner) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:56:07 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Promotional materials for not-for-profit groups In-Reply-To: <7w61x0cd9o.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <7w61x0cd9o.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Message-ID: <8A40FF27-3971-4142-A90F-B330FC56BC72@gmail.com> I know http://www.promotionproducts.com.au/ do that kind of thing (brother of a friend runs it). Michael On 27/06/2013, at 3:51 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Howdy all, > > Does anyone have good leads for a decent vendor that can make badges, > stickers, or other promotional items that group members can wear/carry > prominently? > > > I'm in a group (Free Software Melbourne) with a mission that entails > increasing awareness of the issues of software freedom. 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A good start is > to identify as a member of this group, in order for casual interest to > lead to a conversation about the topic. > > So one idea is to take a simple design and put it on a badge or pendant > or sticker, and make that visible at things like events or workplaces. > > I would be remiss if I were to omit that we have no budget for this > currently :-) > > -- > \ ?Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a | > `\ good example.? ?Mark Twain, _Pudd'n'head Wilson_ | > _o__) | > Ben Finney > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > -- Noon Silk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, as a new platform becomes popular and another one goes into hibernation, different concerns come into play - for example, in response to the popularity of the web as a deployment technology, the FSF developed the GNU Affero licence (AGPL). -- William Leslie Notice: Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under copyright law. You absolutely may reproduce any part of it in accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in. Any attempt to deny you those rights would be illegal without prior contractual agreement. From jon at willowit.com.au Thu Jun 27 10:08:28 2013 From: jon at willowit.com.au (Jonathan Wilson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:08:28 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Has anyone had any experience with KIVY? Message-ID: Hi All We are thinking of starting a project to be delivered on an Android device and are quite attracted to kivy framework . Is there anyone who has any experience with Kivy we could talk to in the group. 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Is > there anyone who has any experience with Kivy we could talk to in the > group. We would like to be able to run our mockups via someone before > embarking on this course of action. > > Thanks all > Jonathan Wilson > www.willowit.com.au > ph: +61 3 8506 0393 > mob: +61 4 000 17 444 > > > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From javier at candeira.com Sun Jun 30 14:32:37 2013 From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:32:37 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] July Meeting tomorrow Monday 1st, 6pm Inspire 9, 41 Stewart Street Richmond Message-ID: This is a reminder that the next meeting of the Melbourne Python Users Group will be tomorrow 1 July, starting at 6pm, and as usual at Inspire9, Level 1, 41 Stewart St Richmond. Just outside Richmond train station. We have two scheduled talks: - Python for big data analysis: Ed Schofield and Chris Boesch - Managing Scientific Simulations with Redis-Queue: Andrew Walker Also as usual, there'll be pizza from Crust at the tune of $10 per person. Please let us know when you pay whether you have any dietary requirement: vegetarian, vegan, fish allergy, etc. Aaaand also there's beer from the Inspire 9 fridge, with a minimum donation of $5, or more if you feel like it. They provide the space for free and they stock the beer fridge, so let's shout them a couple of bottles! Thanks, Javier and the MPUG organisers.