From gcross at fastmail.fm  Sun May  1 01:57:27 2011
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 09:57:27 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May @ RMIT
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References: <BANLkTimAMubBqg2gz+ELDLaLWSmwPmxePA@mail.gmail.com><1303997394.2626.3.camel@cristian-desktop><4DBA60B3.1070806@gmail.com>
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Hi all.

Apologies in advance: I won't be at tomorrow night's meeting; became a
dad again on Friday night, so life here is chaotic but good :)

A couple of things that are worth a look:

1. There's a new version of PyPy out, with Python 2.7 support, speed
improvements and lots of other interesting changes. Well worth a look

http://pypy.org/

http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/04/pypy-15-released-catching-up.html

2. Jesse Noller has a great blog write-up about some new Python docs. If
you tend to only ever read the documentation when you are stuck, you
might find Jesse's write-up to be worth a read (and it reminded me to
revisit the awesome "collections" module):

http://jessenoller.com/2011/04/30/have-you-read-your-python-docs-lately/

Cheers
Graeme


On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:32 +1000, "Richard Jones"
<r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Alec Clews <alecclews at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can I get a 20 min slot in the meeting?
> 
> Looks like it - sign yourself up in the wiki!
> 
> 
> > I'd like to quickly shoot through an outline presentation/workshop I am
> > giving at Linux Users Victoria Beginner's Workshop later in May,
> >
> > I am not a Python programmer but I'm presenting a 2-3 hour workshop for
> > programming neophytes and currently I think Python is the language of
> > choice.
> >
> > Looking for feedback and suggestions on my approach.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Alec
> >
> > On 28/04/11 23:29, craf wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, craf <pyclutter at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> These talks are supported in some format?, to see if you can not attend
> >>
> >>> Sometimes the presenters will upload their slides and link them to the
> >>> wiki, but not often.
> >>
> >>> We're looking into being able to record the meetings.
> >>
> >>
> >> ?> ? ?Richard
> >>
> >> Hi Richard
> >>
> >> Thanks for the reply.
> >
> >
> > - --
> > Alec Clews
> > Personal <alec.clews at gmail.com> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Melbourne, Australia
> > Jabber: ?alecclews at jabber.org ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? PGPKey ID: 0x9BBBFC7C
> > Blog ?http://alecthegeek.wordpress.com/
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> >

From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Mon May  2 05:35:31 2011
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:35:31 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May @ RMIT
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	<1303997394.2626.3.camel@cristian-desktop>
	<4DBA60B3.1070806@gmail.com>
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Hi Graeme,

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Graeme Cross <gcross at fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> Apologies in advance: I won't be at tomorrow night's meeting; became a
> dad again on Friday night, so life here is chaotic but good :)


Huge congratulations! :D

 A couple of things that are worth a look:


> 1. There's a new version of PyPy out, with Python 2.7 support, speed
> improvements and lots of other interesting changes. Well worth a look
>
> http://pypy.org/
>
> http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/04/pypy-15-released-catching-up.html
>
> 2. Jesse Noller has a great blog write-up about some new Python docs. If
> you tend to only ever read the documentation when you are stuck, you
> might find Jesse's write-up to be worth a read (and it reminded me to
> revisit the awesome "collections" module):
>
> http://jessenoller.com/2011/04/30/have-you-read-your-python-docs-lately/
>

Thanks for the interesting links!

See you again soon,
    Ed


-- 
Dr. Edward Schofield
Python Charmers
+61 (0)405 676 229
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From javier at candeira.com  Tue May  3 12:22:46 2011
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:22:46 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Profiling object size, and Bruce Perens on licensing
Message-ID: <BANLkTimeUpTGd6wvRCJ6YG2qeN=pznkt5g@mail.gmail.com>

Some followups from the April session:

- Tennessee commented he was looking for a tool to profile memory
usage. This isn't quite it, but it's a nice recipe for computing the
recursive memory footprint of an object and its contents:
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/577504-compute-memory-footprint-of-an-object-and-its-cont/?in=user-178123

- There was a discussion about licenses, and I remembered a guide to
simple licensing by Bruce Perens. Here it is:
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3803101_2/Bruce-Perens-How-Many-Open-Source-Licenses-Do-You-Need.htm

Cheers,

Javier

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Wed May  4 08:34:43 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:34:43 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2011 CFP still open
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=UfSTWmnyQ3E+2_UVC5vmUm-YmUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

We're still waiting for some tardy presenters who haven't put in their
proposals yet, and it's unfair to give just them an extension so we're
leaving the submission system open until next Monday, the 9th of May.
Thanks to everyone else who put in their proposals on time, and we'll
be starting the review process in the next couple of days.


     Richard Jones
     PyCon Au 2011 Program Chair
     http://pycon-au.org/cfp

From javier at candeira.com  Fri May  6 08:14:15 2011
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:14:15 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Profiling object size,
	and Bruce Perens on licensing
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimeUpTGd6wvRCJ6YG2qeN=pznkt5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimeUpTGd6wvRCJ6YG2qeN=pznkt5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimbvbrN9AdoUuvCj76MxGugCAV5Sw@mail.gmail.com>

Another one for Tenneesee:

I just found a Pycon 2011 talk about python memory footprint:

PyCon 2011: "Dude, Where's My RAM?" - A deep dive into how Python uses memory
Dave Malcolm
This talk will give a deep dive into how CPython uses memory. I'll be
demonstrating a new tool I've written that analyses CPython's memory
usage, and offer hints and tips on how you can reduce the memory
footprint of your Python programs.
Donload: Pycon-PyCon2011DudeWheresMyRAMADeepDiveIntoHowPythonUses733.mp4 280mb
Stream: http://pycon.blip.tv/file/4878749

The slides and the gdb-heap tool can be found at Dave Malcolm's blog:
http://dmalcolm.livejournal.com/5782.htm

Cheers,

Javier

From andy.larrymite at gmail.com  Fri May  6 08:53:10 2011
From: andy.larrymite at gmail.com (Andrew Jones)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:53:10 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] After a senior tester with python and selenium
	skills. (6 month contract)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTingxcgZ67LhrP6xn1ba4Gz5KgDWWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTingxcgZ67LhrP6xn1ba4Gz5KgDWWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimUBvo1gu7UW2=exe-_5B9a7ybp_w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All, our team is after a senior tester to help get features
delivered with increased work load for a health and fitness web
application (fitness2live.com.au)

We're an agile team that practices scrum. Our tech stack is postgres,
storm, twisted, nevow, python, nginx, ubuntu and selenium.

More details here:

http://careers.mckesson.com.au/jobDetails.asp?sJobIDs=741288&stp=AW&sLanguage=en

Cheers
Andrew

From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Fri May  6 23:26:28 2011
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 07:26:28 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Profiling object size,
	and Bruce Perens on licensing
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimbvbrN9AdoUuvCj76MxGugCAV5Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimeUpTGd6wvRCJ6YG2qeN=pznkt5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTimbvbrN9AdoUuvCj76MxGugCAV5Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=n+oN2uL96=pKU9JPnNunT6_b_RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for looking into this --- I really appreciate it! I'll let you
know what the talk is like!

Cheers,
-T

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:

> Another one for Tenneesee:
>
> I just found a Pycon 2011 talk about python memory footprint:
>
> PyCon 2011: "Dude, Where's My RAM?" - A deep dive into how Python uses
> memory
> Dave Malcolm
> This talk will give a deep dive into how CPython uses memory. I'll be
> demonstrating a new tool I've written that analyses CPython's memory
> usage, and offer hints and tips on how you can reduce the memory
> footprint of your Python programs.
> Donload: Pycon-PyCon2011DudeWheresMyRAMADeepDiveIntoHowPythonUses733.mp4
> 280mb
> Stream: http://pycon.blip.tv/file/4878749
>
> The slides and the gdb-heap tool can be found at Dave Malcolm's blog:
> http://dmalcolm.livejournal.com/5782.htm
>
> Cheers,
>
> Javier
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>



-- 
--------------------------------------------------
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http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
"Don't believe everything you think"
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From brianna.laugher at gmail.com  Sun May  8 14:05:08 2011
From: brianna.laugher at gmail.com (Brianna Laugher)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 22:05:08 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: May Beginner's Workshop - Python
In-Reply-To: <201105081203.38993.jiri@baum.com.au>
References: <201105081203.38993.jiri@baum.com.au>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimsxTFttD2BBtoy+GFjeZU2+kSuhA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Saturday 21st is the monthly Linux Users of Victoria (LUV) Beginners
Workshop event, and this month includes a tutorial intro to
programming with Python.

I am sure everyone here won't need such a tutorial but it might be
interesting to go along, if there are any Python newbies I am sure
some extra hands on deck will be helpful. Otherwise, it's a nice,
friendly event to take your laptop to on a Saturday afternoon and hack
away on whatever your latest project is. Also great to get help to
those odd Linux OS questions like "how do I get that panel back?" and
"what's the best program for organising my photos?"

cheers
Brianna


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jiri Baum <jiri at baum.com.au>
Date: 8 May 2011 12:03
Subject: May Beginner's Workshop - Python
To: luv-announce at luv.asn.au


---------------------------------------------------
Saturday 21 May, 12 noon at The Hub @ Docklands
near cnr Bourke St and Harbour Esplanade, Docklands
---------------------------------------------------

The next LUV Beginner's Workshop and Tutorial and the OLPC Corner will be on
the 21st of May. This month Alec Clews will be giving an introduction to
programming with Python.

The tutorial will start one hour into the workshop, at 1pm. If you wish to
participate in this hands-on tutorial, please bring your laptop with Python
installed.

In the usual unstructured workshop format, we intend to cover things like:

?* installing various Linux distributions;
?* tweaking and configuring your system;
?* automatic backups;
?* home networking, including wireless;
?* setting up specific platforms (e.g. MythTV, Asterisk, UbuntuStudio, etc);
?* using specific applications - OpenOffice, Inkscape, GIMP, OpenMovieStudio

... but if you want help with a different application or problem, come along
and let us know. The event is what you make of it. Bring your laptop!


The Melbourne OLPC Club meetings are co-located with the Beginner's Workshops.
If you are interested in the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) project, please come
and join in!


Link: http://luv.asn.au/2011/05/21


When: 21 May 2011
? ?workshop 12:00noon until 4:00pm
? ?tutorial: 1:00pm

Where: The Hub @ Docklands, 17 Waterview Walk, near cnr Bourke St
and Harbour Esplanade, Docklands - look for the giant rabbit sculpture;
Melway reference 2E H7; http://luv.asn.au/content/venue-maps#hub


Parking can be found nearby.

For those coming via Public Transport, the City Circle, number 48 (North
Balwyn - Docklands), number 86 (Bundoora - Docklands) and number 70 (Wattle
Park - Docklands) all stop on the corner of Bourke Street and Harbour
Esplanade. Southern Cross Station is just across the overpass over
Wurundjeri Road.


LUV would like to acknowledge Red Hat for their help in obtaining the Buzzard
Lecture Theatre venue, BENK Open Systems for sponsoring the Beginner's
Workshops and VPAC for hosting!
http://redhat.com.au
http://benk.net.au
http://vpac.org


Jiri Baum - Secretary
Linux Users of Victoria - luv.asn.au



-- 
They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment:
http://modernthings.org/

From mbrady at orbital8.com.au  Wed May 11 07:18:41 2011
From: mbrady at orbital8.com.au (Marc Brady)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:18:41 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job: Python developer
Message-ID: <6bd1f441f7b5763b9608636dd9bc65cb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,



We?re a small IT services business, that develops niche software for
engineering, technical and scientific industries.



We have a contract role for an experienced Python developer.  The role is a
3 month contract, on-site in Melbourne, preferably at least 5 years
experience for an immediate start.  Attractive rates.



Whilst the role is essentially a programming role, I?m looking for someone
who is proactive and comfortable providing some basic mentoring to other
team members as required.



Contact:



Marc Brady

Orbital8

PO Box 907

South Melbourne, Vic 3205



enquiries at orbital8.com.au
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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Wed May 18 05:03:13 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 13:03:13 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] OT: awesome sci-fi/fantasy/horror convention in a
	few weeks
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=hr=MYocsGqr6yTpUEN73DJKhb1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This is off-topic for this list but, given some of the conversations
I've had in the pub after MPUG meets it's on-topic for a bunch of you.

There's a regular convention in Melbourne called Continuum
(http://continuum.org.au/), and this year is number 7. It's running
from the 10th to 13th of June in the CBD. The convention is basically
a big geek-out, like getting together with a hundred good friends and
talking about TV shows, books, movies, comics or games that could be
considered science fiction, fantasy or horror.

This year they're running a free introductory night on Friday the 10th
of June - http://continuum.org.au/friday-is-free/


      Richard

From n6151h at gmail.com  Wed May 18 06:01:24 2011
From: n6151h at gmail.com (N6151H)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:01:24 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Tablet PCs?
Message-ID: <BANLkTinkcPPDTWCWb+r_SFF_KqbbLxO1BQ@mail.gmail.com>

Pls pardon the somewhat off-(python)-topic post.

Wanted to poll the list for feedback / recommeds for Android tablets.  I
know xoom will be here shortly, and galaxy pad already is.  Not hugely
impressed by what I read on either.  Ups? Downs?  Looks askance?

Cheers,
Nick
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Wed May 18 06:03:06 2011
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:03:06 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Tablet PCs?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinkcPPDTWCWb+r_SFF_KqbbLxO1BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinkcPPDTWCWb+r_SFF_KqbbLxO1BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=Yh_jCAr0w1a07bO2mnymn3noigw@mail.gmail.com>

No idea, but I'm hanging out to get a look at the Xoom.

Cheers,
-T

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 2:01 PM, N6151H <n6151h at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pls pardon the somewhat off-(python)-topic post.
>
> Wanted to poll the list for feedback / recommeds for Android tablets.  I
> know xoom will be here shortly, and galaxy pad already is.  Not hugely
> impressed by what I read on either.  Ups? Downs?  Looks askance?
>
> Cheers,
> Nick
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Wed May 18 06:03:16 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:03:16 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Tablet PCs?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinkcPPDTWCWb+r_SFF_KqbbLxO1BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinkcPPDTWCWb+r_SFF_KqbbLxO1BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikLgKoDMwE1LJ-bLtz-Py6z-qh1=g@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 May 2011 14:01, N6151H <n6151h at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wanted to poll the list for feedback / recommeds for Android tablets.? I
> know xoom will be here shortly, and galaxy pad already is.? Not hugely
> impressed by what I read on either.? Ups? Downs?? Looks askance?

I recommend going to the http://whirlpool.net.au/ forums for advice.


     Richard

From javier at candeira.com  Sat May 21 15:40:36 2011
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 23:40:36 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Driving Gimp with Python on the 6th of June
Message-ID: <BANLkTikk7xa=UD7S7hpHURm22vA44bvQGg@mail.gmail.com>

I have added myself to the wiki to talk about how to script Gimp with
Python at the next meeting. If I was not supposed to, blame Richard,
who told me I could.

Cheers,

Javier

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Sun May 22 06:00:31 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:00:31 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Driving Gimp with Python on the 6th of June
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikk7xa=UD7S7hpHURm22vA44bvQGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikk7xa=UD7S7hpHURm22vA44bvQGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik96ADtXBQTYVzJd4ERabW-V2sW2g@mail.gmail.com>

On 21 May 2011 23:40, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:
> I have added myself to the wiki to talk about how to script Gimp with
> Python at the next meeting. If I was not supposed to, blame Richard,
> who told me I could.

Anyone is allowed and encouraged to add themselves to the wiki! That's
why we use a wiki to organise the meetings :-)


    Richard

From javier at candeira.com  Sun May 22 06:07:28 2011
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 14:07:28 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Driving Gimp with Python on the 6th of June
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik96ADtXBQTYVzJd4ERabW-V2sW2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikk7xa=UD7S7hpHURm22vA44bvQGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTik96ADtXBQTYVzJd4ERabW-V2sW2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=nudg5+D6GCCgPcenYC1SPSbw2BQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 May 2011 23:40, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:
>> I have added myself to the wiki to talk about how to script Gimp with
>> Python at the next meeting. If I was not supposed to, blame Richard,
>> who told me I could.
>
> Anyone is allowed and encouraged to add themselves to the wiki! That's
> why we use a wiki to organise the meetings :-)

See? Richard's fault all along!

J

From ryan at rfk.id.au  Sat May 28 15:41:01 2011
From: ryan at rfk.id.au (Ryan Kelly)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 23:41:01 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2011:  Early Bird Closing Soon
Message-ID: <1306590061.2129.16.camel@durian>


Hi Everyone,


A reminder that Early Bird Registrations for PyCon Australia 2011 will
be closing soon.  There are only a few days left to get your tickets at
the discounted rate.

PyCon Australia is Australia's only conference dedicated exclusively to
the Python programming language, and will be held at the Sydney Masonic
Center over the weekend of August 20 and 21. See below for more
information and updates on:
 
     1. Early-Bird Registration Closing Soon
     2. Presentations Selected
     3. More Sponsors Announced
 
Please pass this message on to those you feel may be interested.

 

Early-Bird Registration Closing Soon
====================================

Early-bird registration closes at the end of May, so you've only got
a few days left to get your tickets at the special discounted rate.

We offer three levels of registration for PyCon Australia 2011.
Registration provides access to two full days of technical content
presented by Python enthusiasts from around the country, as well as the
new classroom track and a seat at the conference dinner.
      
  Full (Early Bird) - $165
    This is the registration rate for regular attendees. We are offering
    a limited Early Bird rate for the first 50 registrations until the
    end of May.

    Once the early-bird period ends, Full Registration will be $198.

  Corporate - $440
    If your company is paying for you to attend PyCon, please register
    at the corporate rate. You'll be helping to keep the conference
    affordable for all.

  Student - $44
    For students able to present a valid student card we're offering
    this reduced rate, which does not include the conference dinner.

All prices include GST.  For more information or to register, please
visit the conference website.

Register here: http://pycon-au.org/reg



Presentations Selected
======================

We have had a fantastic response to our Call For Proposals this year.
While the detailed talk schedule is still being finalised, we are
pleased to announce that the following presentations have been selected
for the conference:

  Standard Talks:

    A Python on the Couch  (Mark Rees)
    Behaviour Driven Development  (Malcolm Tredinnick)
    Benchmarking stuff made ridiculously easy  (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
    Bytecode: What, Why, and How to Hack it  (Ryan Kelly)
    Developing Scientific Software in Python  (Duncan Gray)
    Fun with App Engine 1.5.0  (Greg Darke)
    Hosting Python Web Applications  (Graham Dumpleton)
    How Python Evolves (and How You Can Help Make It Happen)  (Nick Coghlan)
    Infinite 8-bit Platformer  (Chris McCormick)
    Networking Libraries in Python.  (Senthil Kumaran)
    Pants - Network Programming Made Easy  (Evan Davis)
    Say What You Mean: Meta-Programming a Declarative API  (Ryan Kelly)
    State of CPython and Python Ecosystem  (Senthil Kumaran)
    Sysadmins vs Developers, a take from the other side of the fence  (Benjamin Smith)
    Teaching Python to the young and impressionable  (Katie Bell)
    The NCSS Challenge: teaching programming via automated testing  (Tim Dawborn)
    Weather field warping using Python.  (Nathan Faggian)
    Zookeepr: Home-grown conference management software  (Brianna Laugher)

  In-Depth Talks:

    Ah! I see you have the machine that goes "BING"!  (Graeme Cross)
    Easy site migration using Diazo and Funnelweb  (Adam Terrey)
    How to maintain big app stacks without losing your mind  (Dylan Jay)
    Introduction to the Geospatial Web with GeoDjango  (Javier Candeira)
    Panel: Python 3  (Richard Jones)
    Panel: Python in the webs  (Richard Jones)
    Pyramid: Lighter, faster, better web apps  (Dylan Jay)
    Web micro-framework battle  (Richard Jones)

  Classroom Track:

    Meta-matters: using decorators for better Python programming  (Graeme Cross)
    Python 101+  (Peter Lovett)
    Python's dark corners - the bad bits in Python and how to avoid them  (Peter Lovett)
    Python for Science and Engineering, Part 1  (Edward Schofield)
    Python for Science and Engineering, Part 2  (Edward Schofield)
    The Zen of Python  (Richard Jones)


Thanks again to everyone who submitted a proposal.


 
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    Ryan Kelly
    PyCon Australia 2011







From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Mon May 30 06:48:24 2011
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:48:24 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python slow, pypy fast
Message-ID: <BANLkTinVkSk84dZwytTq886CpLERuocGkA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

After reading a couple of articles on this site about parallel
programming I came across this recent article talking about python
being slow compared to c.  The comments is where it becomes
interesting as a couple of people compare the benchmark results for
cython and pypy.

Python vs C in compute-bound workloads
http://www.futurechips.org/tips-for-power-coders/python-compute-bound-workloads.html

Pypy seems quite fast.  What I want to know is should you be aiming to
develop python with pypy or should you really concentrate on python 3?

James

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon May 30 06:51:36 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:51:36 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python slow, pypy fast
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinVkSk84dZwytTq886CpLERuocGkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVkSk84dZwytTq886CpLERuocGkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinT_oJRW_2JegFTaRvkTm3D0q+AMQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 30 May 2011 14:48, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Pypy seems quite fast. ?What I want to know is should you be aiming to
> develop python with pypy or should you really concentrate on python 3?

Yes, pypy is really very fast for almost all benchmarks they throw at
it. Your question cannot be answered without knowing what you're
developing. Off the top of my head:

- Does your application need serious performance using regular Python code?
- Can your performance critical bits be coded in C or cython?
- Do you need to use existing libraries?

All of these questions will help you decide between python2, python3 and pypy.


     Richard

From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Mon May 30 07:02:21 2011
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:02:21 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python slow, pypy fast
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinT_oJRW_2JegFTaRvkTm3D0q+AMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVkSk84dZwytTq886CpLERuocGkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinT_oJRW_2JegFTaRvkTm3D0q+AMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=2J3QKri6U-VyPWfdaRfT1wdkX+A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 30 May 2011 14:48, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pypy seems quite fast. ?What I want to know is should you be aiming to
>> develop python with pypy or should you really concentrate on python 3?
>
> Yes, pypy is really very fast for almost all benchmarks they throw at
> it. Your question cannot be answered without knowing what you're
> developing. Off the top of my head:
>
> - Does your application need serious performance using regular Python code?
> - Can your performance critical bits be coded in C or cython?
> - Do you need to use existing libraries?
>
> All of these questions will help you decide between python2, python3 and pypy.
>
>
> ? ? Richard
> _______________________________________________

Hi Richard

Sorry, I meant it as a general question.

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon May 30 07:17:53 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:17:53 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python slow, pypy fast
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=2J3QKri6U-VyPWfdaRfT1wdkX+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVkSk84dZwytTq886CpLERuocGkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinT_oJRW_2JegFTaRvkTm3D0q+AMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=2J3QKri6U-VyPWfdaRfT1wdkX+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=MN6sYhP-UPK1rYw4Opd1xCbKNEw@mail.gmail.com>

On 30 May 2011 15:02, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 30 May 2011 14:48, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Pypy seems quite fast. ?What I want to know is should you be aiming to
>>> develop python with pypy or should you really concentrate on python 3?
>>
>> Yes, pypy is really very fast for almost all benchmarks they throw at
>> it. Your question cannot be answered without knowing what you're
>> developing. Off the top of my head:
>>
>> - Does your application need serious performance using regular Python code?
>> - Can your performance critical bits be coded in C or cython?
>> - Do you need to use existing libraries?
>>
>> All of these questions will help you decide between python2, python3 and pypy.
>
> Sorry, I meant it as a general question.

But what I'm saying is there's no general answer.

Even though I'd love to I can't use Python 3 in my day job because of
the legacy codebase that needs to be migrated.

I can't use pypy for the website because it doesn't run Zope yet. We
don't need it there though because there's already C code making the
slow bits fast.

Nor can I use pypy for currently-slow analysis programs that need to
connect to Oracle, because the cx_Oracle module isn't available for
pypy yet. If I really cared about speeding those up I could probably
write some quick cython to do so.

We have one guy in our company using pypy because he does analysis of
data from other sources that he can happily slurp into a pypy program
and crunch in ten different ways.


     Richard

From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Mon May 30 08:01:47 2011
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:01:47 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python slow, pypy fast
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=MN6sYhP-UPK1rYw4Opd1xCbKNEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVkSk84dZwytTq886CpLERuocGkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTinT_oJRW_2JegFTaRvkTm3D0q+AMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=2J3QKri6U-VyPWfdaRfT1wdkX+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=MN6sYhP-UPK1rYw4Opd1xCbKNEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimdV=77O-YJKx1=W1k5-VhagO_N6g@mail.gmail.com>

Right, thanks.

That breaks it down for me.  This question is really about a new
project that will do a lot of data crunching that I was going to code
in c which the python code will call out to.  I was looking at pypy
and thought that might be a an alternative to the c code (it still may
be).

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 30 May 2011 15:02, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 30 May 2011 14:48, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Pypy seems quite fast. ?What I want to know is should you be aiming to
>>>> develop python with pypy or should you really concentrate on python 3?
>>>
>>> Yes, pypy is really very fast for almost all benchmarks they throw at
>>> it. Your question cannot be answered without knowing what you're
>>> developing. Off the top of my head:
>>>
>>> - Does your application need serious performance using regular Python code?
>>> - Can your performance critical bits be coded in C or cython?
>>> - Do you need to use existing libraries?
>>>
>>> All of these questions will help you decide between python2, python3 and pypy.
>>
>> Sorry, I meant it as a general question.
>
> But what I'm saying is there's no general answer.
>
> Even though I'd love to I can't use Python 3 in my day job because of
> the legacy codebase that needs to be migrated.
>
> I can't use pypy for the website because it doesn't run Zope yet. We
> don't need it there though because there's already C code making the
> slow bits fast.
>
> Nor can I use pypy for currently-slow analysis programs that need to
> connect to Oracle, because the cx_Oracle module isn't available for
> pypy yet. If I really cared about speeding those up I could probably
> write some quick cython to do so.
>
> We have one guy in our company using pypy because he does analysis of
> data from other sources that he can happily slurp into a pypy program
> and crunch in ten different ways.
>
>
> ? ? Richard
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>

From rasjidw at openminddev.net  Mon May 30 09:24:23 2011
From: rasjidw at openminddev.net (Rasjid Wilcox)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 17:24:23 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] python slow, pypy fast
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimdV=77O-YJKx1=W1k5-VhagO_N6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinVkSk84dZwytTq886CpLERuocGkA@mail.gmail.com>	<BANLkTinT_oJRW_2JegFTaRvkTm3D0q+AMQ@mail.gmail.com>	<BANLkTi=2J3QKri6U-VyPWfdaRfT1wdkX+A@mail.gmail.com>	<BANLkTi=MN6sYhP-UPK1rYw4Opd1xCbKNEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTimdV=77O-YJKx1=W1k5-VhagO_N6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DE34627.40306@openminddev.net>

Hi all,

Just as an aside - I wrote a small script that solves the 'Solitair' 
puzzle (32 pegs in a cross shape with a single peg missing in the 
middle) in python.

Python 2.6 on Ubuntu 10.04 - approx 26 seconds
pypy 1.4.1 - approx 5.5 seconds

Should try pypy 1.5 now it is out.

Cheers,

Rasjid.


From rasjidw at openminddev.net  Tue May 31 06:06:36 2011
From: rasjidw at openminddev.net (Rasjid Wilcox)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:06:36 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Helpful things for Python on Windows
Message-ID: <4DE4694C.1020403@openminddev.net>

Hi all,

I mentioned at one of the meetings using Console2 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/) so that you can get a decent 
console window in Windows.

Sat down at my partners laptop and discovered that tab completion didn't 
work.  I forgot that that is something you have to enable.  For details 
on how to enable it, see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310530.  
Doesn't work as well as bash, but better than nothing.

Lastly, you might also want http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyreadline

Then:

import readline
import rlcompleter
readline.parse_and_bind("tab: complete")

works.  Well, mostly.  Double tabbing does not seem to work (at least on 
Python 2.6) - wonder if that is fixable.  But if there is a unique 
solution, it works.  So again, better than nothing.

Cheers,

Rasjid.


From andy.larrymite at gmail.com  Tue May 31 08:08:56 2011
From: andy.larrymite at gmail.com (Andrew Jones)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:08:56 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] After a python developer in QA
Message-ID: <BANLkTimCm_FPB+boGBFE6PAUOitKqW1Ydw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi we're not having much luck finding testers with
selenium/linux/python skill set.

We want to:
* mature our selenium test suite.
* Get BDD up and running with lettuce.
* Expanded our system test suite.
* Plus so a whole lot of other agile testing practices.

However our lack of QA capacity is a problem. So if your a developer
who would be interested in learning new skills and working in the
agile testing space, please apply.

http://www.seek.com.au/Job/senior-quality-assurance-qa-tester-contract-melbourne/in/melbourne/19770603
(ignore the close date the position is still open)

Thanks
Andy