From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 01:29:28 2011
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 09:29:28 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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Forwarded from Sydneypython in case anyone here is interested in a sea
change...

Cheers,
-T

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Yearsley <robert at grokvod.com>
Date: Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM
Subject: Senior Python Developer, Sydney to Silicon Valley
To: sydneypython <sydneypython at googlegroups.com>
Cc: careers at grokvod.com


Senior Python Developer - Full time, start up role.
FreeVOD Project - On the hunt for an entrepreneurally minded senior
python dev to work with us in building a game changing media / tech
business in the TV VOD space (internationally). With this role there
is the opportunity to move, live and work in Silicon Valley with some
of the world's leading tech innovators.

We are building an A level team, so if you are well respected as one
hell of a dev by your peers, have at least 4 years experience and want
the opportunity to change the world a little bit for the better, we
would love to hear from you. As a senior dev it is expected you would
have strong experience with at least two other languages. Experience
with Django will be well regarded (as a jumping off point). Experience
with algorithm optimisation techniques or front end development will
be highly regarded. Compensation includes equity stake.  Please send
your resume, something interesting and cover letter to Rob and Alex:
careers at grokvod dot com

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From benno at jeamland.net  Mon Apr  4 01:38:10 2011
From: benno at jeamland.net (Benno Rice)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 09:38:10 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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On 04/04/2011, at 9:29 AM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:

> Forwarded from Sydneypython in case anyone here is interested in a sea change...

I would personally advise not getting involved.  I was in a business run by Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him again.

-- 
Benno Rice
benno at jeamland.net


From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 01:41:18 2011
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 09:41:18 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:

>
> On 04/04/2011, at 9:29 AM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
>
> > Forwarded from Sydneypython in case anyone here is interested in a sea
> change...
>
> I would personally advise not getting involved.  I was in a business run by
> Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him again.
>


Thanks for the note Benno! I'm not personally involved, I just happen to
subscribe to sydneypython and forward on messages when I think they might
have some local interest.

Regards,
-Tennessee
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From benno at jeamland.net  Mon Apr  4 01:48:40 2011
From: benno at jeamland.net (Benno Rice)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 09:48:40 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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On 04/04/2011, at 9:41 AM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
> 
> On 04/04/2011, at 9:29 AM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
> 
> > Forwarded from Sydneypython in case anyone here is interested in a sea change...
> 
> I would personally advise not getting involved.  I was in a business run by Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him again.
> 
> 
> Thanks for the note Benno! I'm not personally involved, I just happen to subscribe to sydneypython and forward on messages when I think they might have some local interest. 


That's cool, I just want people to avoid the experience I had. =)

-- 
Benno Rice
benno at jeamland.net




From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 02:27:35 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 10:27:35 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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What Benno said.

  Richard

Sent from my phone - please excuse brevity.
On Apr 4, 2011 9:38 AM, "Benno Rice" <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
>
> On 04/04/2011, at 9:29 AM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
>
>> Forwarded from Sydneypython in case anyone here is interested in a sea
change...
>
> I would personally advise not getting involved. I was in a business run by
Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him again.
>
> --
> Benno Rice
> benno at jeamland.net
>
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From anthony.briggs at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 02:29:22 2011
From: anthony.briggs at gmail.com (Anthony Briggs)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 10:29:22 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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On 4 April 2011 09:48, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
>> I would personally advise not getting involved. ?I was in a business run by Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him again.
>>
>> Thanks for the note Benno! I'm not personally involved, I just happen to subscribe to sydneypython and forward on messages when I think they might have some local interest.
>
> That's cool, I just want people to avoid the experience I had. =)

I was wondering about the Full Metal Jacket image on their employment page.

That, and that they have a CEO and COO, but no technical people.

Anthony

From pomke at pomke.com  Mon Apr  4 05:36:46 2011
From: pomke at pomke.com (Pomke Nohkan)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:36:46 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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Hiya Anthony,

It's a scene that portrays the rampant homophobia and abuse in the military
at that time in the US. I think the take home message about it being on
their careers page is that in the best case scenario, they (grokvod) have no
grasp of diversity issues at all.  Worst case it is a deliberate,
not-so-subtle message to perspective employees that anyone other than
'straight white males' need not apply.

- Pomke

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 4 April 2011 09:48, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
> >> I would personally advise not getting involved.  I was in a business run
> by Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him again.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the note Benno! I'm not personally involved, I just happen to
> subscribe to sydneypython and forward on messages when I think they might
> have some local interest.
> >
> > That's cool, I just want people to avoid the experience I had. =)
>
> I was wondering about the Full Metal Jacket image on their employment page.
>
> That, and that they have a CEO and COO, but no technical people.
>
> Anthony
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>



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From anthony.briggs at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 06:52:31 2011
From: anthony.briggs at gmail.com (Anthony Briggs)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:52:31 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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I don't know about the diversity aspect - after all, the USMC is
fairly famously non-discriminatory, at least these days.

What it does suggest to me though is that the culture that they're
expecting is more "do what you're told, give your all to the company"
than the collaborative environment that most people would expect,
particularly given their preference for hiring "A" players.

Anthony

On 4 April 2011 13:36, Pomke Nohkan <pomke at pomke.com> wrote:
> Hiya Anthony,
> It's a scene that portrays the rampant homophobia and abuse in the military
> at that time in the US. I think the take home message about it being on
> their careers page is that in the best case scenario, they (grokvod) have no
> grasp of diversity issues at all. ?Worst case it is a deliberate,
> not-so-subtle message to perspective employees that anyone other than
> 'straight white males' need not apply.
> - Pomke
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 4 April 2011 09:48, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
>> >> I would personally advise not getting involved. ?I was in a business
>> >> run by Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him again.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the note Benno! I'm not personally involved, I just happen
>> >> to subscribe to sydneypython and forward on messages when I think they might
>> >> have some local interest.
>> >
>> > That's cool, I just want people to avoid the experience I had. =)
>>
>> I was wondering about the Full Metal Jacket image on their employment
>> page.
>>
>> That, and that they have a CEO and COO, but no technical people.
>>
>> Anthony

From darius at obsidian.com.au  Mon Apr  4 07:02:12 2011
From: darius at obsidian.com.au (Kevin Littlejohn)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:02:12 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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Suspect too much is being read into a single picture, but yes, my response
was "well, they think that sort of top-down approach either has something
going for it or is humorous/has something to do with how to find the right
people - not my sort of place, really".

What I found more interesting though is that's the second advert in the last
few months I've seen that's offered equity as part of the package for senior
devs.  Is this starting to come back into fashion?  Used to be all the rage
before the bubble burst - are we far enough along that people have forgotten
and are liking equity deals again?  Or have I just not noticed it happening
all along?

KevinL
(not looking for a job, btw ;)

On 4 April 2011 14:52, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know about the diversity aspect - after all, the USMC is
> fairly famously non-discriminatory, at least these days.
>
> What it does suggest to me though is that the culture that they're
> expecting is more "do what you're told, give your all to the company"
> than the collaborative environment that most people would expect,
> particularly given their preference for hiring "A" players.
>
> Anthony
>
> On 4 April 2011 13:36, Pomke Nohkan <pomke at pomke.com> wrote:
> > Hiya Anthony,
> > It's a scene that portrays the rampant homophobia and abuse in the
> military
> > at that time in the US. I think the take home message about it being on
> > their careers page is that in the best case scenario, they (grokvod) have
> no
> > grasp of diversity issues at all.  Worst case it is a deliberate,
> > not-so-subtle message to perspective employees that anyone other than
> > 'straight white males' need not apply.
> > - Pomke
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Anthony Briggs <
> anthony.briggs at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 4 April 2011 09:48, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
> >> >> I would personally advise not getting involved.  I was in a business
> >> >> run by Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him
> again.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the note Benno! I'm not personally involved, I just happen
> >> >> to subscribe to sydneypython and forward on messages when I think
> they might
> >> >> have some local interest.
> >> >
> >> > That's cool, I just want people to avoid the experience I had. =)
> >>
> >> I was wondering about the Full Metal Jacket image on their employment
> >> page.
> >>
> >> That, and that they have a CEO and COO, but no technical people.
> >>
> >> Anthony
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>



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From joshbode at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 07:03:48 2011
From: joshbode at gmail.com (Josh Bode)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:03:48 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: Senior Python Developer,
	Sydney to Silicon Valley
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Then again, maybe they're just massive Kubrick fans and there is no
significance - all the header images are from Kubrick films:

  about: 2001
  products: The Shining
  blog: The Shining
  partners: 2001
  employment: Full Metal Jacket
  work culture: Spartacus

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't know about the diversity aspect - after all, the USMC is
> fairly famously non-discriminatory, at least these days.
>
> What it does suggest to me though is that the culture that they're
> expecting is more "do what you're told, give your all to the company"
> than the collaborative environment that most people would expect,
> particularly given their preference for hiring "A" players.
>
> Anthony
>
> On 4 April 2011 13:36, Pomke Nohkan <pomke at pomke.com> wrote:
> > Hiya Anthony,
> > It's a scene that portrays the rampant homophobia and abuse in the
> military
> > at that time in the US. I think the take home message about it being on
> > their careers page is that in the best case scenario, they (grokvod) have
> no
> > grasp of diversity issues at all.  Worst case it is a deliberate,
> > not-so-subtle message to perspective employees that anyone other than
> > 'straight white males' need not apply.
> > - Pomke
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Anthony Briggs <
> anthony.briggs at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 4 April 2011 09:48, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
> >> >> I would personally advise not getting involved.  I was in a business
> >> >> run by Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him
> again.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the note Benno! I'm not personally involved, I just happen
> >> >> to subscribe to sydneypython and forward on messages when I think
> they might
> >> >> have some local interest.
> >> >
> >> > That's cool, I just want people to avoid the experience I had. =)
> >>
> >> I was wondering about the Full Metal Jacket image on their employment
> >> page.
> >>
> >> That, and that they have a CEO and COO, but no technical people.
> >>
> >> Anthony
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:09:28 +1000
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	<BANLkTim38OZYbO2B0QrYwwHcOd+CAeja4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinOgnSWKrMSF+CaJ+=kOO_FSCgkWw@mail.gmail.com>

Equity as part of your package in early stage startups isn't unusual. It is
a double edge sword for both sides but it can work out well.

R

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Kevin Littlejohn <darius at obsidian.com.au>wrote:

> Suspect too much is being read into a single picture, but yes, my response
> was "well, they think that sort of top-down approach either has something
> going for it or is humorous/has something to do with how to find the right
> people - not my sort of place, really".
>
> What I found more interesting though is that's the second advert in the
> last few months I've seen that's offered equity as part of the package for
> senior devs.  Is this starting to come back into fashion?  Used to be all
> the rage before the bubble burst - are we far enough along that people have
> forgotten and are liking equity deals again?  Or have I just not noticed it
> happening all along?
>
> KevinL
> (not looking for a job, btw ;)
>
>
> On 4 April 2011 14:52, Anthony Briggs <anthony.briggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know about the diversity aspect - after all, the USMC is
>> fairly famously non-discriminatory, at least these days.
>>
>> What it does suggest to me though is that the culture that they're
>> expecting is more "do what you're told, give your all to the company"
>> than the collaborative environment that most people would expect,
>> particularly given their preference for hiring "A" players.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> On 4 April 2011 13:36, Pomke Nohkan <pomke at pomke.com> wrote:
>> > Hiya Anthony,
>> > It's a scene that portrays the rampant homophobia and abuse in the
>> military
>> > at that time in the US. I think the take home message about it being on
>> > their careers page is that in the best case scenario, they (grokvod)
>> have no
>> > grasp of diversity issues at all.  Worst case it is a deliberate,
>> > not-so-subtle message to perspective employees that anyone other than
>> > 'straight white males' need not apply.
>> > - Pomke
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Anthony Briggs <
>> anthony.briggs at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 4 April 2011 09:48, Benno Rice <benno at jeamland.net> wrote:
>> >> >> I would personally advise not getting involved.  I was in a business
>> >> >> run by Robert Yearsley before and I would never, never go near him
>> again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for the note Benno! I'm not personally involved, I just
>> happen
>> >> >> to subscribe to sydneypython and forward on messages when I think
>> they might
>> >> >> have some local interest.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's cool, I just want people to avoid the experience I had. =)
>> >>
>> >> I was wondering about the Full Metal Jacket image on their employment
>> >> page.
>> >>
>> >> That, and that they have a CEO and COO, but no technical people.
>> >>
>> >> Anthony
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Obsidian Consulting Group
> ph: +613 9355 7844
> skype: silarsis
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From cbushell at thoughtworks.com  Wed Apr  6 09:54:43 2011
From: cbushell at thoughtworks.com (Chris Bushell)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:54:43 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Announcing Devops Down Under 2011/Call for proposals
Message-ID: <BANLkTikCsGFguVX5TQzm0PeiS_32OPT45g@mail.gmail.com>

Following the success of Devops Down Under 2010, we're pleased to announce
Devops Down Under 2011, to be held on July 22/23 in Melbourne.

Our aim for the conference is to build on the current momentum within the
Devops community and to work towards uniting developers and
sysadmins/operations.

To make this event happen, we need your help. If you have a topic you'd like
to present, a speaker you'd like to see present, or a subject you'd like to
see discussed at the conference, please let us know
here<http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FNF8MKL>.
If you or your organisation is interesting in sponsoring the event, also
please let us know here <http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FNF8MKL>.

Registration and ticket details will be available the first week in May, but
for now, please save the date for Devops Down Under 2011 - we look forward
to seeing you there!


Lindsay Holmwood, Chris Bushell, Natalie Drucker

contact at devopsdownunder.org
www.devopsdownunder.org
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From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 23:01:44 2011
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 07:01:44 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: [JOB] Senior Python Developer X 2
In-Reply-To: <1c6802e6-d30d-4a4b-b099-e9c6835aa1d6@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
References: <1c6802e6-d30d-4a4b-b099-e9c6835aa1d6@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinYSABhhx8Z+Jcyyq73GbsJpAkmHw@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like the job is in Melbourne...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: cameronm <cmcskimming at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Subject: [JOB] Senior Python Developer X 2
To: sydneypython <sydneypython at googlegroups.com>


Hi all,

I have 2 x Snr Python Development roles here. Details are:
- 6 month contract
- Melbourne (Richmond) location - required on site, remote work not
acceptable
- Market rates (client has had some trouble finding suitably
experienced candidates - so would happily pay up to $1100 per day if
the candidate is able to justify it.
- preferably 7-10 years exp
- prefer exposure to SCRUM and RUP
- Start is ASAP
- Client will not sponsor VISA

Please register interest to Cameron at CiT Professionals on (03) 9872
5722 or cameronm at citp.com.au

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From hartror at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 01:09:07 2011
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:09:07 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Fwd: [JOB] Senior Python Developer X 2
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinYSABhhx8Z+Jcyyq73GbsJpAkmHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c6802e6-d30d-4a4b-b099-e9c6835aa1d6@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
	<BANLkTinYSABhhx8Z+Jcyyq73GbsJpAkmHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTin4_P2VhNyNP0L39pu==HxVX+enFA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> would happily pay up to $1100 per day if
> the candidate is able to justify it.


I *really* like money?

In all seriousness I have friends who are worth that and have been payed
that in the past on contract. They get the job done so blindingly fast and
with such reliability that they save their employers money in the long run.
None of them are pythoneers however :(

Rory

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg <
tleeuwenburg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks like the job is in Melbourne...
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: cameronm <cmcskimming at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:45 PM
> Subject: [JOB] Senior Python Developer X 2
> To: sydneypython <sydneypython at googlegroups.com>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have 2 x Snr Python Development roles here. Details are:
> - 6 month contract
> - Melbourne (Richmond) location - required on site, remote work not
> acceptable
> - Market rates (client has had some trouble finding suitably
> experienced candidates - so would happily pay up to $1100 per day if
> the candidate is able to justify it.
> - preferably 7-10 years exp
> - prefer exposure to SCRUM and RUP
> - Start is ASAP
> - Client will not sponsor VISA
>
> Please register interest to Cameron at CiT Professionals on (03) 9872
> 5722 or cameronm at citp.com.au
>
> --
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> "sydneypython" group.
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>
>
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From debmidya at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 02:30:54 2011
From: debmidya at yahoo.com (Deb Midya)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:30:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [melbourne-pug] How to install Theano & nltk using python(x,y)
Message-ID: <118232.22100.qm@web161410.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Python Users,
?
Thanks in advance.
?
May I request you to assist me for the following please.
?
I have installed python(x,y) 2.6.5.6 on Windows XP. I have installed python(x,y) in G:\pythonxy. Should I need to give a path statement G:\pythonxy in the Environment Variable?
?
Now I am trying to install two additional packages: 
?
1. Theano
?
I have not yet downloaded Theano from python website.
?
2.?nltk
?
I have downloaded nltk-2.0b9.win32 (Windows Installer Package). How can I install it now?
?
Once again, thank you very much for the time you have given.
?
Regards,
?
Deb
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From david.crisp at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 03:49:07 2011
From: david.crisp at gmail.com (David Crisp)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:49:07 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.7 memory profiler
Message-ID: <BANLkTinZaNYRhfkzutA=JMNtf_fgw3-buA@mail.gmail.com>

Im trying to find a Python 2.7 memory profiler (for windows +64bit
python) all I can find are the 2.6 versions.

How do I find out how much physical memory an array is using in memory
other than doing the calculation of "well this is two bytes and I have
1000 of them that means 2000 bytes" ......

Regards,
David ps - have changed my mailignlist address to gmail

From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 03:58:06 2011
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:58:06 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.7 memory profiler
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinZaNYRhfkzutA=JMNtf_fgw3-buA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinZaNYRhfkzutA=JMNtf_fgw3-buA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik49v9_m5AOSnbzHEUiAFLYyKKSxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

I'm not really sure, but I'd also like to know the answer if you find out!

Cheers,
-T

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM, David Crisp <david.crisp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Im trying to find a Python 2.7 memory profiler (for windows +64bit
> python) all I can find are the 2.6 versions.
>
> How do I find out how much physical memory an array is using in memory
> other than doing the calculation of "well this is two bytes and I have
> 1000 of them that means 2000 bytes" ......
>
> Regards,
> David ps - have changed my mailignlist address to gmail
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>



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From ed at pythoncharmers.com  Mon Apr 18 06:21:50 2011
From: ed at pythoncharmers.com (Ed Schofield)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:21:50 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.7 memory profiler
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinZaNYRhfkzutA=JMNtf_fgw3-buA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinZaNYRhfkzutA=JMNtf_fgw3-buA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinYV0vWZvP2mxKc9RjgfHzkzyQJoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM, David Crisp <david.crisp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Im trying to find a Python 2.7 memory profiler (for windows +64bit
> python) all I can find are the 2.6 versions.
>
> How do I find out how much physical memory an array is using in memory
> other than doing the calculation of "well this is two bytes and I have
> 1000 of them that means 2000 bytes" ......
>

I don't know the answer to your first question, but if, by "array", you mean
a NumPy array, you can use the nbytes property:

>>> a = numpy.arange(10**6).reshape(10**4, 10**2)
>>> a.nbytes
4000000

The answer is as you said (a.itemsize * a.size). The actual number of bytes
will be a small fixed number of bytes more than the contents (because of the
overhead of the ndarray pointers to dtype etc.), but this is usually
negligible.

Cheers,


-- 
Dr. Edward Schofield
Python Charmers
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From joe at omc-international.com.au  Tue Apr 19 08:19:09 2011
From: joe at omc-international.com.au (Joe Healy)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:19:09 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python 2.7 memory profiler
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinZaNYRhfkzutA=JMNtf_fgw3-buA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinZaNYRhfkzutA=JMNtf_fgw3-buA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1303193949.30048.44855.camel@kookaburra>


There is Meliae. It may be of assistance.

https://launchpad.net/meliae

I think it crawls memory and then lets you analyse what is taking the
space. Haven't used it, but came across it from:

http://blog.vrplumber.com/index.php?/archives/2490-Meliae-is-neat,-but-scary....html

Although a closer reading may mean that you have a particular one in
mind, but just need a version compiled for 2.7. Is that the case?

If that is the case, the blogger at blog.vrplumber.com may be able to
help as I know he has used meliae and may have used it for 2.7.

Cheers,

Joe


On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 11:49 +1000, David Crisp wrote:
> Im trying to find a Python 2.7 memory profiler (for windows +64bit
> python) all I can find are the 2.6 versions.
> 
> How do I find out how much physical memory an array is using in memory
> other than doing the calculation of "well this is two bytes and I have
> 1000 of them that means 2000 bytes" ......
> 
> Regards,
> David ps - have changed my mailignlist address to gmail
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug



From ryan at rfk.id.au  Wed Apr 20 12:27:06 2011
From: ryan at rfk.id.au (Ryan Kelly)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:27:06 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2011: registrations now open
Message-ID: <1303295226.1982.137.camel@durian>

Hi Everyone,


I'm pleased to announce that registrations are now open for PyCon
Australia 2011.

PyCon Australia is Australia's only conference dedicated exclusively to
the Python programming language, and will be held at the Sydney Masonic
Center over the weekend of August 20 and 21.  See below for more
information and updates on:

    1. Registration is now open
    2. Classroom Track
    3. Call For Proposals deadline approaching
    4. Sponsors Announced

Please pass this message on to those you feel may be interested.



Registration Is Now Open
========================

We offer three levels of registration for PyCon Australia 2011.
Registration provides access to two full days of technical content
presented by Python enthusiasts from around the country, as well as the
new classroom track and a seat at the conference dinner.

We are currently offering a limited number of early-bird tickets, but
get in quick because they are selling fast! 

  Corporate - $440
    If your company is paying for you to attend PyCon, please register
    at the corporate rate. You'll be helping to keep the conference
    affordable for all.
      
  Full (Early Bird) - $165
    This is the registration rate for regular attendees. We are offering
    a limited Early Bird rate for the first 50 registrations until the
    end of May.

  Student - $44
    For students able to present a valid student card we're offering
    this reduced rate, which does not include the conference dinner.

All prices include GST.  For more information or to register, please
visit the conference website.

Register here: http://pycon-au.org/reg



Classroom Track
===============

In addition to the standard technical talks, this year's conference
will feature a "Classroom Track" designed specifically for tutorial
style presentations.

If you need to get up to speed on some of the latest language features
and tools, this will be a great opportunity to learn fast in a
supportive environment.



Call For Proposals
==================

We've had some great initial responses to the Call For Proposals, but
there's still time left and plenty of program to fill.

Remember, the deadline for proposal submission is the 2nd of May.
That's just under two weeks away!

We are looking for proposals for talks on all aspects of Python
programming from novice to advanced levels; applications and frameworks,
or how you have been involved in introducing Python into your
organisation. We're especially interested in short presentations that
will teach conference-goers something new and useful. Can you show
attendees how to use a module? Explore a Python language feature?
Package an application?

We welcome first-time speakers; we are a community conference and we
are eager to hear about your experience. If you have friends or
colleagues who have something valuable to contribute, twist their arms
to tell us about it! Please also forward this Call for Proposals to
anyone that you feel may be interested.

The earlier you submit your proposal, the more time we will have to
review and give you feedback before the program is finalised.

Speakers receive free registration for the conference, including a seat
at the conference dinner.  Don't miss out, submit your proposal today! 

    http://pycon-au.org/cfp




Sponsors Announced
==================

We are happy to announce our first set of sponsors.  Thank you to the
following companies for their continuing support of Python and for
helping to make PyCon Australia 2011 a reality:


   Gold:  Google                          <http://www.google.com.au/>
   Gold:  Microsoft                       <http://www.microsoft.com.au/>

   Silver:  Anchor                        <http://anchor.com.au/>
   Silver:  Enthought                     <http://www.enthought.com/>
   Silver:  Python Software Foundation    <http://www.python.org/psf/>


Thanks also to Linux Australia, who provide the overarching legal and
organisational structure for PyCon Australia.



   Ryan Kelly
   PyCon Australia 2011






From javier at candeira.com  Thu Apr 21 08:26:45 2011
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:26:45 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2011: registrations now open
In-Reply-To: <1303295226.1982.137.camel@durian>
References: <1303295226.1982.137.camel@durian>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimhLEqbZ5LutUn+pjq53by-QjkXdA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Ryan.

The program is not up yet, so I don't know what the time table will
be, or how to schedule a trip, since I have never attended Pycon. Do
people take a flight back after the conference dinner (I mean, is
there time to do both?), or stay over one more night?

Cheers,
Javier

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Ryan Kelly <ryan at rfk.id.au> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> I'm pleased to announce that registrations are now open for PyCon
> Australia 2011.
>
> PyCon Australia is Australia's only conference dedicated exclusively to
> the Python programming language, and will be held at the Sydney Masonic
> Center over the weekend of August 20 and 21. ?See below for more
> information and updates on:
>
> ? ?1. Registration is now open
> ? ?2. Classroom Track
> ? ?3. Call For Proposals deadline approaching
> ? ?4. Sponsors Announced
>
> Please pass this message on to those you feel may be interested.
>
>
>
> Registration Is Now Open
> ========================
>
> We offer three levels of registration for PyCon Australia 2011.
> Registration provides access to two full days of technical content
> presented by Python enthusiasts from around the country, as well as the
> new classroom track and a seat at the conference dinner.
>
> We are currently offering a limited number of early-bird tickets, but
> get in quick because they are selling fast!
>
> ?Corporate - $440
> ? ?If your company is paying for you to attend PyCon, please register
> ? ?at the corporate rate. You'll be helping to keep the conference
> ? ?affordable for all.
>
> ?Full (Early Bird) - $165
> ? ?This is the registration rate for regular attendees. We are offering
> ? ?a limited Early Bird rate for the first 50 registrations until the
> ? ?end of May.
>
> ?Student - $44
> ? ?For students able to present a valid student card we're offering
> ? ?this reduced rate, which does not include the conference dinner.
>
> All prices include GST. ?For more information or to register, please
> visit the conference website.
>
> Register here: http://pycon-au.org/reg
>
>
>
> Classroom Track
> ===============
>
> In addition to the standard technical talks, this year's conference
> will feature a "Classroom Track" designed specifically for tutorial
> style presentations.
>
> If you need to get up to speed on some of the latest language features
> and tools, this will be a great opportunity to learn fast in a
> supportive environment.
>
>
>
> Call For Proposals
> ==================
>
> We've had some great initial responses to the Call For Proposals, but
> there's still time left and plenty of program to fill.
>
> Remember, the deadline for proposal submission is the 2nd of May.
> That's just under two weeks away!
>
> We are looking for proposals for talks on all aspects of Python
> programming from novice to advanced levels; applications and frameworks,
> or how you have been involved in introducing Python into your
> organisation. We're especially interested in short presentations that
> will teach conference-goers something new and useful. Can you show
> attendees how to use a module? Explore a Python language feature?
> Package an application?
>
> We welcome first-time speakers; we are a community conference and we
> are eager to hear about your experience. If you have friends or
> colleagues who have something valuable to contribute, twist their arms
> to tell us about it! Please also forward this Call for Proposals to
> anyone that you feel may be interested.
>
> The earlier you submit your proposal, the more time we will have to
> review and give you feedback before the program is finalised.
>
> Speakers receive free registration for the conference, including a seat
> at the conference dinner. ?Don't miss out, submit your proposal today!
>
> ? ?http://pycon-au.org/cfp
>
>
>
>
> Sponsors Announced
> ==================
>
> We are happy to announce our first set of sponsors. ?Thank you to the
> following companies for their continuing support of Python and for
> helping to make PyCon Australia 2011 a reality:
>
>
> ? Gold: ?Google ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<http://www.google.com.au/>
> ? Gold: ?Microsoft ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? <http://www.microsoft.com.au/>
>
> ? Silver: ?Anchor ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<http://anchor.com.au/>
> ? Silver: ?Enthought ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? <http://www.enthought.com/>
> ? Silver: ?Python Software Foundation ? ?<http://www.python.org/psf/>
>
>
> Thanks also to Linux Australia, who provide the overarching legal and
> organisational structure for PyCon Australia.
>
>
>
> ? Ryan Kelly
> ? PyCon Australia 2011
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>

From ryan at rfk.id.au  Thu Apr 21 23:52:11 2011
From: ryan at rfk.id.au (Ryan Kelly)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:52:11 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2011: registrations now open
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References: <1303295226.1982.137.camel@durian>
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On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 16:26 +1000, Javier Candeira wrote:
>
> The program is not up yet, so I don't know what the time table will
> be, or how to schedule a trip, since I have never attended Pycon. Do
> people take a flight back after the conference dinner (I mean, is
> there time to do both?), or stay over one more night?

The conference is over a Saturday and Sunday, with dinner on the
Saturday night.  Most people fly in Friday evening and leave Monday if
they can get the time.  It's also possible to fly in Saturday morning
and out Sunday night but it gets pretty rushed.

We'll hopefully be having some sort of programming competition on the
Friday night as well, but no details confirmed at this stage.


Hope to see you there!


  Ryan

> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Ryan Kelly <ryan at rfk.id.au> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> >
> > I'm pleased to announce that registrations are now open for PyCon
> > Australia 2011.
> >
> > PyCon Australia is Australia's only conference dedicated exclusively to
> > the Python programming language, and will be held at the Sydney Masonic
> > Center over the weekend of August 20 and 21.  See below for more
> > information and updates on:
> >
> >    1. Registration is now open
> >    2. Classroom Track
> >    3. Call For Proposals deadline approaching
> >    4. Sponsors Announced
> >
> > Please pass this message on to those you feel may be interested.
> >
> >
> >
> > Registration Is Now Open
> > ========================
> >
> > We offer three levels of registration for PyCon Australia 2011.
> > Registration provides access to two full days of technical content
> > presented by Python enthusiasts from around the country, as well as the
> > new classroom track and a seat at the conference dinner.
> >
> > We are currently offering a limited number of early-bird tickets, but
> > get in quick because they are selling fast!
> >
> >  Corporate - $440
> >    If your company is paying for you to attend PyCon, please register
> >    at the corporate rate. You'll be helping to keep the conference
> >    affordable for all.
> >
> >  Full (Early Bird) - $165
> >    This is the registration rate for regular attendees. We are offering
> >    a limited Early Bird rate for the first 50 registrations until the
> >    end of May.
> >
> >  Student - $44
> >    For students able to present a valid student card we're offering
> >    this reduced rate, which does not include the conference dinner.
> >
> > All prices include GST.  For more information or to register, please
> > visit the conference website.
> >
> > Register here: http://pycon-au.org/reg
> >
> >
> >
> > Classroom Track
> > ===============
> >
> > In addition to the standard technical talks, this year's conference
> > will feature a "Classroom Track" designed specifically for tutorial
> > style presentations.
> >
> > If you need to get up to speed on some of the latest language features
> > and tools, this will be a great opportunity to learn fast in a
> > supportive environment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Call For Proposals
> > ==================
> >
> > We've had some great initial responses to the Call For Proposals, but
> > there's still time left and plenty of program to fill.
> >
> > Remember, the deadline for proposal submission is the 2nd of May.
> > That's just under two weeks away!
> >
> > We are looking for proposals for talks on all aspects of Python
> > programming from novice to advanced levels; applications and frameworks,
> > or how you have been involved in introducing Python into your
> > organisation. We're especially interested in short presentations that
> > will teach conference-goers something new and useful. Can you show
> > attendees how to use a module? Explore a Python language feature?
> > Package an application?
> >
> > We welcome first-time speakers; we are a community conference and we
> > are eager to hear about your experience. If you have friends or
> > colleagues who have something valuable to contribute, twist their arms
> > to tell us about it! Please also forward this Call for Proposals to
> > anyone that you feel may be interested.
> >
> > The earlier you submit your proposal, the more time we will have to
> > review and give you feedback before the program is finalised.
> >
> > Speakers receive free registration for the conference, including a seat
> > at the conference dinner.  Don't miss out, submit your proposal today!
> >
> >    http://pycon-au.org/cfp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sponsors Announced
> > ==================
> >
> > We are happy to announce our first set of sponsors.  Thank you to the
> > following companies for their continuing support of Python and for
> > helping to make PyCon Australia 2011 a reality:
> >
> >
> >   Gold:  Google                          <http://www.google.com.au/>
> >   Gold:  Microsoft                       <http://www.microsoft.com.au/>
> >
> >   Silver:  Anchor                        <http://anchor.com.au/>
> >   Silver:  Enthought                     <http://www.enthought.com/>
> >   Silver:  Python Software Foundation    <http://www.python.org/psf/>
> >
> >
> > Thanks also to Linux Australia, who provide the overarching legal and
> > organisational structure for PyCon Australia.
> >
> >
> >
> >   Ryan Kelly
> >   PyCon Australia 2011
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > melbourne-pug mailing list
> > melbourne-pug at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> melbourne-pug at python.org
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From javier at candeira.com  Fri Apr 22 06:34:33 2011
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:34:33 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2011: registrations now open
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References: <1303295226.1982.137.camel@durian>
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ryan Kelly <ryan at rfk.id.au> wrote:
> The conference is over a Saturday and Sunday, with dinner on the
> Saturday night. ?Most people fly in Friday evening and leave Monday if
> they can get the time. ?It's also possible to fly in Saturday morning
> and out Sunday night but it gets pretty rushed.

Thanks. I'll start planning..

> Hope to see you there!

Crossing fingers!

J

From orien.madgwick at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 16:50:17 2011
From: orien.madgwick at gmail.com (Orien Madgwick)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 00:50:17 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Compiling xib files with py2app
Message-ID: <C33AAD7C-1A57-4539-8176-7ED9DFB061DE@gmail.com>

Hi,
I'm having difficulty compiling xib files when packaging a python  
application with py2app 0.6.2. I haven't been able to find any  
documentation on how this should work but my expectation is that if I  
declare the xib file in the data_files section of my setup.py then it  
should be converted to a nib file and included in the application  
package. Is this a correct expectation? The behaviour I'm seeing is  
the xib file is simply copied to the application package without  
processing. Any help on the correct way to approach this would be great.

--
Orien

From orien.madgwick at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 00:34:18 2011
From: orien.madgwick at gmail.com (Orien Madgwick)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:34:18 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Compiling xib files with py2app
In-Reply-To: <C33AAD7C-1A57-4539-8176-7ED9DFB061DE@gmail.com>
References: <C33AAD7C-1A57-4539-8176-7ED9DFB061DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA362EE5-7E8B-4A02-8716-2E3251F3B3D3@gmail.com>


On 23/04/2011, at 12:50 AM, Orien Madgwick wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm having difficulty compiling xib files when packaging a python  
> application with py2app 0.6.2. I haven't been able to find any  
> documentation on how this should work but my expectation is that if  
> I declare the xib file in the data_files section of my setup.py then  
> it should be converted to a nib file and included in the application  
> package. Is this a correct expectation? The behaviour I'm seeing is  
> the xib file is simply copied to the application package without  
> processing. Any help on the correct way to approach this would be  
> great.
>
> --
> Orien

Sorry everyone,
I was actually attempting to post on the pythonmac-sig as it's the  
more appropriate place for such a question. This is just one more  
example showing I'm to old to be messing around after midnight :-S

I've reposted on that list, sorry about the double up.

--
Orien

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 03:27:35 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:27:35 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 3rd of May @ RMIT
Message-ID: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Our next meeting is next Monday, the 3rd of April at RMIT room 12.07.02

I'll be talking about porting to Python 3.

Other talks are welcome. See the wiki page at http://j.mp/mpug for
more info or to sign your name up.

I've updated the wiki page with a little map showing where the meeting
room is, and also the location of some cheap (relatively for the CBD)
and easily accessible parking for those wanting to drive into the
meeting.

I've also just produced a simple PDF flyer which may be put up on
message boards - http://mechanicalcat.net/images/MPUG-flyer.pdf
(feedback about the flyer is welcome :-)


    Richard

From ben at stumbles.id.au  Wed Apr 27 03:52:14 2011
From: ben at stumbles.id.au (Ben Sturmfels)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:52:14 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 3rd of May @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DB776CE.1060000@stumbles.id.au>

On 27/04/11 11:27, Richard Jones wrote:
> Our next meeting is next Monday, the 3rd of April at RMIT room 12.07.02

I assume you mean Monday 2 May.

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 03:53:05 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:53:05 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 3rd of May @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <4DB776CE.1060000@stumbles.id.au>
References: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DB776CE.1060000@stumbles.id.au>
Message-ID: <BANLkTik6f7w8_wQWW17KkkXWRb3j1oCqfA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Ben Sturmfels <ben at stumbles.id.au> wrote:
> On 27/04/11 11:27, Richard Jones wrote:
>>
>> Our next meeting is next Monday, the 3rd of April at RMIT room 12.07.02
>
> I assume you mean Monday 2 May.

D'oh! Yes, I meant the 2nd. Calendar read fail.

From javier at candeira.com  Wed Apr 27 10:44:37 2011
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:44:37 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2rd of May @ RMIT
Message-ID: <BANLkTimwmcnqUMr8nkp4yN7HHc7JBPcAZA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
> Our next meeting is next Monday, the 3rd of April at RMIT room 12.07.02

I have fixed the date in the subject line.

> I'll be talking about porting to Python 3.
>
> Other talks are welcome. See the wiki page at http://j.mp/mpug for
> more info or to sign your name up.

I'd like to talk about scripting the Gimp with Python, but I don't
know whether I'll be able to prepare something. I'll add myself to the
wiki if I have a presentation in time for Monday.

Cheers,

J

From pyclutter at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 21:30:31 2011
From: pyclutter at gmail.com (craf)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:30:31 -0300
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 3rd of May @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik6f7w8_wQWW17KkkXWRb3j1oCqfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DB776CE.1060000@stumbles.id.au>
	<BANLkTik6f7w8_wQWW17KkkXWRb3j1oCqfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1303932631.5444.2.camel@cristian-desktop>

>On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Ben Sturmfels <ben at stumbles.id.au> wrote:
> On 27/04/11 11:27, Richard Jones wrote:
>>
>> Our next meeting is next Monday, the 3rd of April at RMIT room 12.07.02
>
> I assume you mean Monday 2 May.

>D'oh! Yes, I meant the 2nd. Calendar read fail.

Hi everyone.

These talks are supported in some format?, to see if you can not attend

thanks in advance.

Regards.

Cristian Abarz?a



From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Thu Apr 28 02:47:14 2011
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:47:14 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [carpool] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May
 @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <1303932631.5444.2.camel@cristian-desktop>
References: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>	<4DB776CE.1060000@stumbles.id.au>	<BANLkTik6f7w8_wQWW17KkkXWRb3j1oCqfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1303932631.5444.2.camel@cristian-desktop>
Message-ID: <4DB8B912.1010900@dewhirst.com.au>

I have three seats from Mt Eliza to RMIT and return on Monday ...

Mike

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 03:21:50 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:21:50 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May @ RMIT
Message-ID: <BANLkTimAMubBqg2gz+ELDLaLWSmwPmxePA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, craf <pyclutter at gmail.com> wrote:
> These talks are supported in some format?, to see if you can not attend

Sometimes the presenters will upload their slides and link them to the
wiki, but not often.

We're looking into being able to record the meetings.


     Richard

From ryan at rfk.id.au  Thu Apr 28 05:13:02 2011
From: ryan at rfk.id.au (Ryan Kelly)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:13:02 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 3rd of May @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1303960382.2049.11.camel@durian>

On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 11:27 +1000, Richard Jones wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Our next meeting is next Monday, the 3rd of April at RMIT room 12.07.02
> 
> I'll be talking about porting to Python 3.
> 
> Other talks are welcome. See the wiki page at http://j.mp/mpug for
> more info or to sign your name up.

I've signed up for a quick talk/demo of hosting a simple WSGI app in the
cloud:  "Django on DotCloud - from zero to deployed in under 5 minutes".


  Cheers,

     Ryan

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From pyclutter at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 15:29:54 2011
From: pyclutter at gmail.com (craf)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:29:54 -0300
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimAMubBqg2gz+ELDLaLWSmwPmxePA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimAMubBqg2gz+ELDLaLWSmwPmxePA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1303997394.2626.3.camel@cristian-desktop>


>On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, craf <pyclutter at gmail.com> wrote:
> These talks are supported in some format?, to see if you can not attend

>Sometimes the presenters will upload their slides and link them to the
>wiki, but not often.

>We're looking into being able to record the meetings.


 >    Richard

Hi Richard

Thanks for the reply.

Regards.

Cristian



From ryan at rfk.id.au  Fri Apr 29 06:50:31 2011
From: ryan at rfk.id.au (Ryan Kelly)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:50:31 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] PyCon Australia 2011: cfp closing soon!
Message-ID: <1304052631.5836.1.camel@durian>

Hi Everyone,


A reminder that the Call for Proposals for PyCon Australia 2011 will be
closing soon.  We've had some great proposals so far, but there is still
time left and program to fill.

PyCon Australia is Australia's only conference dedicated exclusively to
the Python programming language, and will be held at the Sydney Masonic
Center over the weekend of August 20 and 21. See below for more
information and updates on:

    1. Call For Proposals
    2. More Sponsors Announced

Please pass this message on to those you feel may be interested.



Call For Proposals
==================

The deadline for proposal submission is the 2nd of May.
That's only a few days away!

We are looking for proposals for talks on all aspects of Python
programming from novice to advanced levels; applications and frameworks,
or how you have been involved in introducing Python into your
organisation. We're especially interested in short presentations that
will teach conference-goers something new and useful. Can you show
attendees how to use a module? Explore a Python language feature?
Package an application?

We welcome first-time speakers; we are a community conference and we
are eager to hear about your experience. If you have friends or
colleagues who have something valuable to contribute, twist their arms
to tell us about it! Please also forward this Call for Proposals to
anyone that you feel may be interested.

The earlier you submit your proposal, the more time we will have to
review and give you feedback before the program is finalised.

Speakers receive free registration for the conference, including a seat
at the conference dinner.  Don't miss out, submit your proposal today! 

    http://pycon-au.org/cfp



More Sponsors Announced
=======================

We are delighted to announce that ComOps has joined as a Gold Sponsor.
Thank you to the following companies for their continuing support of
Python and for helping to make PyCon Australia 2011 a reality:


   Gold:  Google                          <http://www.google.com.au/>
   Gold:  Microsoft                       <http://www.microsoft.com.au/>
   Gold:  ComOps                          <http://www.comops.com.au/>

   Silver:  Anchor                        <http://anchor.com.au/>
   Silver:  Enthought                     <http://www.enthought.com/>
   Silver:  Python Software Foundation    <http://www.python.org/psf/>


Thanks also to Linux Australia, who provide the overarching legal and
organisational structure for PyCon Australia.




   Ryan Kelly
   PyCon Australia 2011






From alecclews at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 08:54:43 2011
From: alecclews at gmail.com (Alec Clews)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:54:43 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <1303997394.2626.3.camel@cristian-desktop>
References: <BANLkTimAMubBqg2gz+ELDLaLWSmwPmxePA@mail.gmail.com>
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Can I get a 20 min slot in the meeting?

I'd like to quickly shoot through an outline presentation/workshop I am
giving at Linux Users Victoria Beginner's Workshop later in May,

I am not a Python programmer but I'm presenting a 2-3 hour workshop for
programming neophytes and currently I think Python is the language of
choice.

Looking for feedback and suggestions on my approach.

Cheers

Alec

On 28/04/11 23:29, craf wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, craf <pyclutter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> These talks are supported in some format?, to see if you can not attend
> 
>> Sometimes the presenters will upload their slides and link them to the
>> wiki, but not often.
> 
>> We're looking into being able to record the meetings.
> 
> 
>  >    Richard
> 
> Hi Richard
> 
> Thanks for the reply.


- -- 
Alec Clews
Personal <alec.clews at gmail.com>                  Melbourne, Australia
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From miked at climate.com.au  Fri Apr 29 09:07:15 2011
From: miked at climate.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:07:15 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [carpool] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May
 @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <4DB8B912.1010900@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <BANLkTim+mf8xRuaavcZjpxfED8Jh0G6DDQ@mail.gmail.com>	<4DB776CE.1060000@stumbles.id.au>	<BANLkTik6f7w8_wQWW17KkkXWRb3j1oCqfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1303932631.5444.2.camel@cristian-desktop>
	<4DB8B912.1010900@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <4DBA63A3.2020900@climate.com.au>

Two seats remaining

Mike

On 28/04/2011 10:47am, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> I have three seats from Mt Eliza to RMIT and return on Monday ...
>
> Mike


-- 

Climate Pty Ltd
PO Box 308
Mount Eliza
Vic 3930
Australia +61

T: 03 9787 6598
M: 0411 704 143



From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 10:32:07 2011
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:32:07 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May @ RMIT
In-Reply-To: <4DBA60B3.1070806@gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimAMubBqg2gz+ELDLaLWSmwPmxePA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1303997394.2626.3.camel@cristian-desktop>
	<4DBA60B3.1070806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinX1jmZnqjxwLR_Xyd02Px5GzpPEQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Alec Clews <alecclews at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can I get a 20 min slot in the meeting?

Looks like it - sign yourself up in the wiki!


> I'd like to quickly shoot through an outline presentation/workshop I am
> giving at Linux Users Victoria Beginner's Workshop later in May,
>
> I am not a Python programmer but I'm presenting a 2-3 hour workshop for
> programming neophytes and currently I think Python is the language of
> choice.
>
> Looking for feedback and suggestions on my approach.
>
> Cheers
>
> Alec
>
> On 28/04/11 23:29, craf wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:30 AM, craf <pyclutter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> These talks are supported in some format?, to see if you can not attend
>>
>>> Sometimes the presenters will upload their slides and link them to the
>>> wiki, but not often.
>>
>>> We're looking into being able to record the meetings.
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>> ?> ? ?Richard
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>> Hi Richard
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>
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From javier at candeira.com  Fri Apr 29 10:59:22 2011
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:59:22 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:00pm Monday 2nd of May @ RMIT
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Alec Clews <alecclews at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can I get a 20 min slot in the meeting?
>
> Looks like it - sign yourself up in the wiki!

Yeah, I can do mine in June (but I am finishing it this weekend anyway).

Cheers,

J