From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 02:14:49 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:14:49 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Reminder: meeting tonight, 6:30pm, Horse Bazaar
Message-ID: <D7AF7318-7424-44E1-9B7F-0F349676FB5A@gmail.com>

We're back at Horse Bazaar this year. Meeting details, location and talks list are at:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG

At the moment we've got two talks scheduled:

- IronPython / Silverlight by Tarn
- withrestart by Ryan

Please feel free to offer up another talk. If you've seen something cool or are doing something cool then we'd like you to tell everyone about it! Presentations could be 5 minutes or up to 15 minutes if you'd like to ramble for a bit longer. If you've got an idea for a talk just add it to the wiki page.

Unfortunately I can't make it :( and I wanted to hear what both our speakers have to say too! Have a great meeting though!


    Richard


From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Mon Feb  1 05:30:46 2010
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:30:46 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
Message-ID: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>

Can anyone please explain tyhis for me?

Python 2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit 
(Intel)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> raw = r'J:\'
   File "<stdin>", line 1
     raw = r'J:\'
                ^
SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal
 >>>

Thanks

Mike

From mauriceling at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 06:01:21 2010
From: mauriceling at gmail.com (Maurice Ling)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:01:21 +0800
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
In-Reply-To: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <7acc4aa11001312101h1905ee8amf8c2a321df424555@mail.gmail.com>

Try
raw = r'J:\\'

In raw = r'J:\', the '\' escapes the close inverted comma, rendering an
unclosed string

Maurice LING
mobile: +6596669233, +6568707927
www: http://maurice.vodien.com
CV: http://maurice.vodien.com/maurice_resume.pdf
Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mauriceling


On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au>wrote:

> Can anyone please explain tyhis for me?
>
> Python 2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit
> (Intel)] on win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> raw = r'J:\'
>  File "<stdin>", line 1
>    raw = r'J:\'
>               ^
> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal
> >>>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From john.larooy at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 06:01:47 2010
From: john.larooy at gmail.com (John La Rooy)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:01:47 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
In-Reply-To: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <cd84b5501001312101u26ed8d26peefb517c0403b19@mail.gmail.com>

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/647769/why-cant-pythons-raw-string-literals-end-with-a-single-backslash
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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 06:04:52 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:04:52 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
In-Reply-To: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <A81B6223-1B2B-4074-880B-7BCADE5B9CA2@gmail.com>

On 01/02/2010, at 3:30 PM, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> Can anyone please explain tyhis for me?
> 
> Python 2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> raw = r'J:\'
>  File "<stdin>", line 1
>    raw = r'J:\'
>               ^
> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal
> >>>

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/647769/why-cant-pythons-raw-string-literals-end-with-a-single-backslash

(quick answer: it's because the quote character may be escaped with the backslash even in a raw string)


     Richard


From john.larooy at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 06:05:15 2010
From: john.larooy at gmail.com (John La Rooy)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:05:15 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
In-Reply-To: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <cd84b5501001312105v19df5640q69656a494f1b1e6@mail.gmail.com>

You may be able to just use a forward slash?
raw = r'J:/'
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From miked at climate.com.au  Mon Feb  1 05:33:46 2010
From: miked at climate.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:33:46 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
In-Reply-To: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <4B6659AA.6090907@climate.com.au>

On 1/02/2010 3:30pm, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> Can anyone please explain tyhis for me?

Don't bother - I just saw this in the docs ...

"Specifically, a raw string cannot end in a single backslash (since the 
backslash would escape the following quote character). "

Sorry to bother you

Mike

>
> Python 2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit
> (Intel)] on win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>  >>> raw = r'J:\'
> File "<stdin>", line 1
> raw = r'J:\'
> ^
> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal
>  >>>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike


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T:  03 9787 6598
M:  0411 704 143

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From mikerezny at yahoo.com.au  Mon Feb  1 06:20:33 2010
From: mikerezny at yahoo.com.au (Mike Rezny)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:20:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
In-Reply-To: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <348902.4271.qm@web30608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Mike,
You need to escape the backslash and remove the 'r' prefix:
Python 2.6.2 (r262:71605, Apr 14 2009, 22:40:02) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> r = "j:\\"
>>> print r
j:\
>>> rr = r"J:\\"
>>> print rr
J:\\
>>>

regards
Mike


--- On Mon, 1/2/10, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> wrote:

> From: Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au>
> Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
> To: "Melbourne Python Users Group" <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Received: Monday, 1 February, 2010, 3:30 PM
> Can anyone please explain tyhis for
> me?
> 
> Python 2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC
> v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more
> information.
> >>> raw = r'J:\'
> ? File "<stdin>", line 1
> ? ? raw = r'J:\'
> ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ???^
> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal
> >>>
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> 


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From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Mon Feb  1 06:27:08 2010
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:27:08 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
In-Reply-To: <A81B6223-1B2B-4074-880B-7BCADE5B9CA2@gmail.com>
References: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
	<A81B6223-1B2B-4074-880B-7BCADE5B9CA2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6233046D-365E-496F-85FC-E2E82541A898@dewhirst.com.au>

Thanks everyone - the stackoverflow discussion was interesting.

Mike



On 01/02/2010, at 4:04 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/02/2010, at 3:30 PM, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
>> Can anyone please explain tyhis for me?
>>
>> Python 2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit  
>> (Intel)] on win32
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more  
>> information.
>>>>> raw = r'J:\'
>> File "<stdin>", line 1
>>   raw = r'J:\'
>>              ^
>> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal
>>>>>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/647769/why-cant-pythons-raw-string-literals-end-with-a-single-backslash
>
> (quick answer: it's because the quote character may be escaped with  
> the backslash even in a raw string)
>
>
>     Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From dgtlmoon at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 06:08:09 2010
From: dgtlmoon at gmail.com (Leigh Morresi)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:08:09 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] raw string prob
In-Reply-To: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <4B6658F6.2060004@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <fbbedead1001312108l13ffa626q496d3acba2d39b69@mail.gmail.com>

 raw = r'J:\\'

you need to escape that \ or it thinks ' is an escaped char and theres
not closing '

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> wrote:
> Can anyone please explain tyhis for me?
>
> Python 2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
> on win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> raw = r'J:\'
> ?File "<stdin>", line 1
> ? ?raw = r'J:\'
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ^
> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal
>>>>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>

From ryan at rfk.id.au  Mon Feb  1 12:56:56 2010
From: ryan at rfk.id.au (Ryan Kelly)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:56:56 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] First meeting for 2010 next week!
In-Reply-To: <1BB787A8-3B13-43A0-B32F-08D64081809F@gmail.com>
References: <1BB787A8-3B13-43A0-B32F-08D64081809F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1265025416.2570.3.camel@rambutan>


Thanks for another great meetup everyone, sorry I wasn't able to join
you for dinner.  Just a quick note to let you know I've put the slides
from my talk up on the wiki:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=withrestart.pdf


  Cheers,

    Ryan

-- 
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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 22:07:38 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:07:38 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] First meeting for 2010 next week!
In-Reply-To: <1265025416.2570.3.camel@rambutan>
References: <1BB787A8-3B13-43A0-B32F-08D64081809F@gmail.com>
	<1265025416.2570.3.camel@rambutan>
Message-ID: <9F06D098-8836-4EB6-A534-D5AED3C62D7A@gmail.com>

On 01/02/2010, at 10:56 PM, Ryan Kelly wrote:
> Thanks for another great meetup everyone, sorry I wasn't able to join
> you for dinner.  Just a quick note to let you know I've put the slides
> from my talk up on the wiki:
> 
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=withrestart.pdf

Thanks Ryan!


      Richard


From tarn.barford at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 22:48:45 2010
From: tarn.barford at gmail.com (Tarn Barford)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:48:45 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] First meeting for 2010 next week!
In-Reply-To: <9F06D098-8836-4EB6-A534-D5AED3C62D7A@gmail.com>
References: <1BB787A8-3B13-43A0-B32F-08D64081809F@gmail.com>
	<1265025416.2570.3.camel@rambutan>
	<9F06D098-8836-4EB6-A534-D5AED3C62D7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7e35a7a1002011348j71ae31d0x597806b3de8afda9@mail.gmail.com>

I also enjoyed the meeting. Next time I'll make sure I ride so I can have a
pint or three and stay round for dinner.

Here is a link to a rambling blog post I wrote before the meeting about the
stuff I was going to talk about and includes all the scripts, templates and
assemblies I used in the demonstration.

http://blog.sharpthinking.com.au/post/2010/01/25/Python-SilverlightMoonlight-2-Xapping.aspx

Here is a link to the Pygments syntax highlighting in the browser example I
mentioned. I still haven't got round to moving the initial module load into
a background thread so it still blocks the UI a bit on start-up :(

http://markdown-madness.appspot.com/silverlight-pygments

Cheers

Tarn


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 01/02/2010, at 10:56 PM, Ryan Kelly wrote:
> > Thanks for another great meetup everyone, sorry I wasn't able to join
> > you for dinner.  Just a quick note to let you know I've put the slides
> > from my talk up on the wiki:
> >
> >
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=withrestart.pdf
>
> Thanks Ryan!
>
>
>      Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 00:37:48 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:37:48 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] First meeting for 2010 next week!
In-Reply-To: <a7e35a7a1002011348j71ae31d0x597806b3de8afda9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BB787A8-3B13-43A0-B32F-08D64081809F@gmail.com>
	<1265025416.2570.3.camel@rambutan>
	<9F06D098-8836-4EB6-A534-D5AED3C62D7A@gmail.com>
	<a7e35a7a1002011348j71ae31d0x597806b3de8afda9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8373CF6B-64E1-4DF7-94FB-8D0E6A12B82D@gmail.com>

On 02/02/2010, at 8:48 AM, Tarn Barford wrote:
> I also enjoyed the meeting. Next time I'll make sure I ride so I can have a pint or three and stay round for dinner.
> 
> Here is a link to a rambling blog post I wrote before the meeting about the stuff I was going to talk about and includes all the scripts, templates and assemblies I used in the demonstration.
> 
> http://blog.sharpthinking.com.au/post/2010/01/25/Python-SilverlightMoonlight-2-Xapping.aspx
> 
> Here is a link to the Pygments syntax highlighting in the browser example I mentioned. I still haven't got round to moving the initial module load into a background thread so it still blocks the UI a bit on start-up :(
> 
> http://markdown-madness.appspot.com/silverlight-pygments

Thanks Tarn, I've added links to these in the wiki.


      Richard


From mark at agilebench.com  Tue Feb  2 07:11:55 2010
From: mark at agilebench.com (Mark Mansour)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:11:55 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Ignite Melbourne
Message-ID: <4a1deb11002012211q2b38d1dbr748af249c2ebe3f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Python People,

I'm helping to put together an Ignite event in Melbourne on March 2nd at
Loop bar and thought this may appeal to some of you.  We're looking for
speakers (only for 5 minutes) and listeners (for as long as you like :).
 The basic motto is "Enlighten us, but make it quick."  If this sounds
intriguing to you please check out our site for more info.

http://www.ignitemelbourne.com/

Mark


-- 
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From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 01:07:30 2010
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:07:30 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] VPS - vmware and linux
Message-ID: <851350be1002021607h7b2ae768v8991c2b622841621@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

Can anyone recommend a virtual private server host who does a managed
VPS with vmware and a linux guest os?

Thanks
James

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 00:05:44 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
Message-ID: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>

Hi all,

So this competition was just announced:

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html

The short story being:

1. take 50 datasets like 
	? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
	? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
	? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
4. profit!

So, who's interested?


      Richard


From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 00:51:59 2010
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:51:59 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43c8685c1002031551x25435d73qb1703c69765fe2e4@mail.gmail.com>

Please add me to the interest list.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> So this competition was just announced:
>
> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>
> The short story being:
>
> 1. take 50 datasets like
>        ? Maps of local hospitals (
> http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>        ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>        ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
> 4. profit!
>
> So, who's interested?
>
>
>      Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>



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From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Thu Feb  4 03:39:24 2010
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:39:24 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6A335C.9000706@dewhirst.com.au>

Richard

Count me in ...

Mike

On 4/02/2010 10:05am, Richard Jones wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> So this competition was just announced:
>
> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>
> The short story being:
>
> 1. take 50 datasets like
> 	? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
> 	? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
> 	? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
> 4. profit!
>
> So, who's interested?
>
>
>        Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


From john.larooy at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 04:03:51 2010
From: john.larooy at gmail.com (John La Rooy)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:03:51 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd84b5501002031903w615171fel3ec671a95a9a19c8@mail.gmail.com>

Colour me interested.
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From a.abushkevich at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 09:07:43 2010
From: a.abushkevich at gmail.com (Aliaksandr Abushkevich)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:07:43 +0200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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Please add me to the interest list too

Alex

From paul.ankur at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 12:25:59 2010
From: paul.ankur at gmail.com (ankur paul)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:25:59 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] melbourne-pug Digest, Vol 45, Issue 5
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+1

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> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
> From: Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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> Hi all,
>
> So this competition was just announced:
>
> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>
> The short story being:
>
> 1. take 50 datasets like
>    ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm
> )
>    ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>    ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
> 4. profit!
>
> So, who's interested?
>
>
>      Richard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:51:59 +1100
> From: Tennessee Leeuwenburg <tleeuwenburg at gmail.com>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
> Message-ID:
>    <43c8685c1002031551x25435d73qb1703c69765fe2e4 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Please add me to the interest list.
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Richard Jones
> <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So this competition was just announced:
>>
>> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>>
>> The short story being:
>>
>> 1. take 50 datasets like
>>       ? Maps of local hospitals (
>> http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>>       ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html
>> )
>>       ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>> 4. profit!
>>
>> So, who's interested?
>>
>>
>>     Richard
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> Tennessee Leeuwenburg
> http://myownhat.blogspot.com/
> "Don't believe everything you think"
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> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:39:24 +1100
> From: Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au>
> To: melbourne-pug at python.org
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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> Richard
>
> Count me in ...
>
> Mike
>
> On 4/02/2010 10:05am, Richard Jones wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So this competition was just announced:
>>
>> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>>
>> The short story being:
>>
>> 1. take 50 datasets like
>>    ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm
>> )
>>    ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>>    ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>> 4. profit!
>>
>> So, who's interested?
>>
>>
>>       Richard
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:03:51 +1100
> From: John La Rooy <john.larooy at gmail.com>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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> Please add me to the interest list too
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> Alex
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From iraehc at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  4 13:13:02 2010
From: iraehc at hotmail.com (Irae Hueck Costa)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:13:02 +0100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL105-W332DF46246E0F2E06A1348DB550@phx.gbl>

me too!

> From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
> To: melbourne-pug at python.org
> Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So this competition was just announced:
> 
> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
> 
> The short story being:
> 
> 1. take 50 datasets like 
> 	? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
> 	? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
> 	? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
> 4. profit!
> 
> So, who's interested?
> 
> 
>       Richard
> 
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
 		 	   		  
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From paul at metrak.com  Thu Feb  4 11:25:05 2010
From: paul at metrak.com (paul sorenson)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:25:05 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6AA081.6020107@metrak.com>

I'm interested.

I know my way around R (http://www.r-project.org/ too) if there are some
funky things we can do statistically.

On 04/02/10 10:05, Richard Jones wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> So this competition was just announced:
> 
> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
> 
> The short story being:
> 
> 1. take 50 datasets like 
> 	? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
> 	? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
> 	? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
> 4. profit!
> 
> So, who's interested?
> 
> 
>       Richard
> 
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug


From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 00:54:36 2010
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:54:36 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <4B6AA081.6020107@metrak.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
	<4B6AA081.6020107@metrak.com>
Message-ID: <851350be1002041554y59f4e4abya7b3007f6abe879f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm interested as well.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:25 PM, paul sorenson <paul at metrak.com> wrote:
> I'm interested.
>
> I know my way around R (http://www.r-project.org/ too) if there are some
> funky things we can do statistically.
>
> On 04/02/10 10:05, Richard Jones wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So this competition was just announced:
>>
>> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>>
>> The short story being:
>>
>> 1. take 50 datasets like
>> ? ? ? ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>> ? ? ? ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>> ? ? ? ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>> 4. profit!
>>
>> So, who's interested?
>>
>>
>> ? ? ? Richard
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
> _______________________________________________
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From skippy.hammond at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 01:11:17 2010
From: skippy.hammond at gmail.com (Mark Hammond)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:11:17 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6B6225.8010107@gmail.com>

On 4/02/2010 10:05 AM, Richard Jones wrote:
> So, who's interested?

I'm interested - which is different than saying I will have much time - 
but interested nonetheless :)

Mark

From iraehc at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  5 05:36:07 2010
From: iraehc at hotmail.com (Irae Hueck Costa)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 05:36:07 +0100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>



How about a little brainstorming and then we meet at some McDonalds?
Here an idea:
Feed the data into an artificial neural network (and make the found patterns usefull for the everyday use?).
I dont think that this will give better results than other stochastic methods, but it sounds fancy.

Here some shorter python specific introduction to neural networks:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-neural/

ps:
Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.

> From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
> To: melbourne-pug at python.org
> Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So this competition was just announced:
> 
> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
> 
> The short story being:
> 
> 1. take 50 datasets like 
> 	? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
> 	? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
> 	? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
> 4. profit!
> 
> So, who's interested?
> 
> 
>       Richard
> 
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Fri Feb  5 05:45:24 2010
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:45:24 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
	<COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B6BA264.4090405@dewhirst.com.au>

On 5/02/2010 3:36pm, Irae Hueck Costa wrote:
>
>
> How about a little brainstorming and then we meet at some McDonalds?
> Here an idea:
> Feed the data into an artificial neural network (and make the found
> patterns usefull for the everyday use?).
> I dont think that this will give better results than other stochastic
> methods, but it sounds fancy.
>
> Here some shorter python specific introduction to neural networks:
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-neural/
>
> ps:
> Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so
> we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.

I can offer a majordomo mailing list with no archives and once deleted 
no record for the future - five minutes work?

Mike


>
>  > From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com
>  > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
>  > To: melbourne-pug at python.org
>  > Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
>  >
>  > Hi all,
>  >
>  > So this competition was just announced:
>  >
>  > http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>  >
>  > The short story being:
>  >
>  > 1. take 50 datasets like
>  > ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>  > ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>  > ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>  > 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>  > 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>  > 4. profit!
>  >
>  > So, who's interested?
>  >
>  >
>  > Richard
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > melbourne-pug mailing list
>  > melbourne-pug at python.org
>  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From nick at farrell.name  Fri Feb  5 07:04:36 2010
From: nick at farrell.name (Nick Farrell)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:04:36 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <4B6BA264.4090405@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
	<COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
	<4B6BA264.4090405@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <d14a1dfc1002042204o1380cbe2pfcf3692b6858eddf@mail.gmail.com>

Why not embrace the OSS philosophy and keep this process open? Certainly
this mailing list isn't the right place, but why not use something like
Wave? It's designed for this sort of focussed evolution of ideas. I can send
invitations to anyone who needs an account, if they don't have one already.

I'd also propose that any prizes or remuneration to come from this be used
to subsidise the mother of all python conventions.

Nick

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> wrote:

> On 5/02/2010 3:36pm, Irae Hueck Costa wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> How about a little brainstorming and then we meet at some McDonalds?
>> Here an idea:
>> Feed the data into an artificial neural network (and make the found
>> patterns usefull for the everyday use?).
>> I dont think that this will give better results than other stochastic
>> methods, but it sounds fancy.
>>
>> Here some shorter python specific introduction to neural networks:
>> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-neural/
>>
>> ps:
>> Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so
>> we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.
>>
>
> I can offer a majordomo mailing list with no archives and once deleted no
> record for the future - five minutes work?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>>  > From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com
>>  > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
>>  > To: melbourne-pug at python.org
>>  > Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
>>  >
>>  > Hi all,
>>  >
>>  > So this competition was just announced:
>>  >
>>  > http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>>  >
>>  > The short story being:
>>  >
>>  > 1. take 50 datasets like
>>  > ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm
>> )
>>  > ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>>  > ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>>  > 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>>  > 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>>  > 4. profit!
>>  >
>>  > So, who's interested?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Richard
>>  >
>>  > _______________________________________________
>>  > melbourne-pug mailing list
>>  > melbourne-pug at python.org
>>  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
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>> <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9707132>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From dgtlmoon at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 05:39:56 2010
From: dgtlmoon at gmail.com (Leigh Morresi)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:39:56 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
	<COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <fbbedead1002042039q33ea51ddy1c576bde58bb4640@mail.gmail.com>

has anyone actually tried to get this "data" ?

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Irae Hueck Costa <iraehc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> How about a little brainstorming and then we meet at some McDonalds?
> Here an idea:
> Feed the data into an artificial neural network (and make the found patterns
> usefull for the everyday use?).
> I dont think that this will give better results than other stochastic
> methods, but it sounds fancy.
>
> Here some shorter python specific introduction to neural networks:
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-neural/
>
> ps:
> Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so we
> don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.
>
>> From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com
>> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
>> To: melbourne-pug at python.org
>> Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So this competition was just announced:
>>
>> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>>
>> The short story being:
>>
>> 1. take 50 datasets like
>> ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>> ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>> ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>> 4. profit!
>>
>> So, who's interested?
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
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>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 07:09:12 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:09:12 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
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On 05/02/2010, at 3:36 PM, Irae Hueck Costa wrote:
> Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.

When I get home I'll create a Google Group and invite the people who've said they're interested. I'll even start a page with some initial ideas I've had :)

Does anyone know a tame web designer? We could use one for PyCon Au too ...


       Richard

ps. yes, I know how to configure GG to prevent spam :)


From j.lee.nielsen at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 07:27:27 2010
From: j.lee.nielsen at gmail.com (Jason)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:27:27 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <E6164931-0DFC-42F1-8B0E-CAE5337D6F7F@gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
	<COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
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I'm not that tame but I can do a bit of design (I did the pycon nz logo) would be interested any anything I can do to help out the au conference or any open government efforts like this as well.

Also let me know if there is another group I am supposed to be lurking on for pycon stuff.

Jason


On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:09:12 +1100, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 05/02/2010, at 3:36 PM, Irae Hueck Costa wrote:
>> Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.
>
> When I get home I'll create a Google Group and invite the people who've said they're interested. I'll even start a page with some initial ideas I've had :)
>
> Does anyone know a tame web designer? We could use one for PyCon Au too ...
>
>
>        Richard
>
> ps. yes, I know how to configure GG to prevent spam :)
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Fri Feb  5 07:40:47 2010
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:40:47 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <d14a1dfc1002042204o1380cbe2pfcf3692b6858eddf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>	<COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>	<4B6BA264.4090405@dewhirst.com.au>
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On 5/02/2010 5:04pm, Nick Farrell wrote:
> Why not embrace the OSS philosophy and keep this process open?

Because it is a competition and might be better closed.

Mike


Certainly
> this mailing list isn't the right place, but why not use something like
> Wave? It's designed for this sort of focussed evolution of ideas. I can
> send invitations to anyone who needs an account, if they don't have one
> already.
>
> I'd also propose that any prizes or remuneration to come from this be
> used to subsidise the mother of all python conventions.
>
> Nick
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au
> <mailto:miked at dewhirst.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     On 5/02/2010 3:36pm, Irae Hueck Costa wrote:
>
>
>
>         How about a little brainstorming and then we meet at some McDonalds?
>         Here an idea:
>         Feed the data into an artificial neural network (and make the found
>         patterns usefull for the everyday use?).
>         I dont think that this will give better results than other
>         stochastic
>         methods, but it sounds fancy.
>
>         Here some shorter python specific introduction to neural networks:
>         http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-neural/
>
>         ps:
>         Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this
>         project so
>         we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not
>         interested.
>
>
>     I can offer a majordomo mailing list with no archives and once
>     deleted no record for the future - five minutes work?
>
>     Mike
>
>
>
>          > From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com <mailto:r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>
>          > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
>          > To: melbourne-pug at python.org <mailto:melbourne-pug at python.org>
>          > Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
>          >
>          > Hi all,
>          >
>          > So this competition was just announced:
>          >
>          > http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>          >
>          > The short story being:
>          >
>          > 1. take 50 datasets like
>          > ? Maps of local hospitals
>         (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>          > ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>          > ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>          > 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>          > 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>          > 4. profit!
>          >
>          > So, who's interested?
>          >
>          >
>          > Richard
>          >
>          > _______________________________________________
>          > melbourne-pug mailing list
>          > melbourne-pug at python.org <mailto:melbourne-pug at python.org>
>          > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From richard at sitescraper.net  Fri Feb  5 07:52:47 2010
From: richard at sitescraper.net (Richard Penman)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:52:47 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <4B6BBD6F.209@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com> 
	<COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> wrote:

> On 5/02/2010 5:04pm, Nick Farrell wrote:
>
>> Why not embrace the OSS philosophy and keep this process open?
>>
>
> Because it is a competition and might be better closed.
>

yeah, someone (like me) would be tempted to build on your work and keep the
reward.
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From a.abushkevich at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 08:21:45 2010
From: a.abushkevich at gmail.com (Aliaksandr Abushkevich)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:21:45 +0200
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
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I could setup Trac (project management software) + SVN on my server.
Please drop me a message if this is needed.

From lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au  Fri Feb  5 22:33:55 2010
From: lljy at csse.unimelb.edu.au (Lars Yencken)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:33:55 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <fbbedead1002042039q33ea51ddy1c576bde58bb4640@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com> 
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On 5 February 2010 15:39, Leigh Morresi <dgtlmoon at gmail.com> wrote:

> has anyone actually tried to get this "data" ?


I looked at data sets released last year in the same spirit, and they seemed
to be mostly summary statistics, a far cry from the raw data feeds which
powered Chicago Crime, which is now EveryBlock <http://www.everyblock.com/>.
Still, if you guys are thinking of some type of urban mapping mashup, it
might be worth checking out EveryBlock's
code<http://code.google.com/p/ebcode/>,
which was released last year as part of the terms of their funding.

Have fun!
Lars
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From abriggs at westnet.com.au  Sat Feb  6 00:45:33 2010
From: abriggs at westnet.com.au (Anthony Briggs)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:45:33 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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Lars Yencken wrote:
> On 5 February 2010 15:39, Leigh Morresi <dgtlmoon at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dgtlmoon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     has anyone actually tried to get this "data" ?
>
>
> I looked at data sets released last year in the same spirit, and they 
> seemed to be mostly summary statistics, a far cry from the raw data 
> feeds which powered Chicago Crime, which is now EveryBlock 
> <http://www.everyblock.com/>.
That was my thought too. I can't see how you would make something 
compelling with those three example data sets. From the police site:

"Victoria Police will be updating the crime figures every three months 
so you can see what is happening in your suburbs and hear directly from 
your local police Inspector about the work being done by police in your 
neighbourhood."

That's not "open access" - that's called "having a web site". The 
water/stream quality one is the same - there's some data in there, but 
it stops at around 2002, so it's not very useful (eg. no up to the 
minute e-coli readings by beach).

Not that I'm trying to be cynical or anything, but it does seem that 
they're missing the point a bit. Perhaps they'll release more up to date 
data once the competition goes live.

Anthony

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From abriggs at westnet.com.au  Sat Feb  6 01:24:12 2010
From: abriggs at westnet.com.au (Anthony Briggs)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:24:12 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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Anthony Briggs wrote:
> Lars Yencken wrote:
>> On 5 February 2010 15:39, Leigh Morresi <dgtlmoon at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:dgtlmoon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     has anyone actually tried to get this "data" ?
>>
>>
>> I looked at data sets released last year in the same spirit, and they 
>> seemed to be mostly summary statistics, a far cry from the raw data 
>> feeds which powered Chicago Crime, which is now EveryBlock 
>> <http://www.everyblock.com/>.
 >
> That was my thought too. I can't see how you would make something 
> compelling with those three example data sets. From the police site:
> 
> "Victoria Police will be updating the crime figures every three months 
> so you can see what is happening in your suburbs and hear directly from 
> your local police Inspector about the work being done by police in your 
> neighbourhood."
> 
> That's not "open access" - that's called "having a web site".

A quick bit of googling around found this page:

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=782

Which gives some more meaty stats, like "Offences Recorded by Offence 
Code 10 Financial Years". However, I suspect you'll need to know a bit 
about the law to make sense of it, and the laws do seem to switch around 
a bit. For example, there are several lines for trafficking heroin:

653A	TRAFFICK HEROIN	9719.71.1	
2,378	1,745	651	8	24	9	10	5	1	17		
653J	TRAFFICK LARGE COMM QTY - HEROIN	9719.71	0	0	0	10	0	7	7	2	0	4		
653L	TRAFFICK COMM QTY - HEROIN	9719.71AA	0	0	0	12	10	12	13	5	13	7		
653N	TRAFFICK HEROIN	9719.71AC	0	0	324	917	1,175	919	541	599	442	661		

However, there are a couple of fields for the criminal category/code 
that it references (eg. 653A/9719.71.1 or 653N/9719.71AC), so if there 
was another dataset for what these mean, it could work.

Has anyone else found similar datasets online? It could be that using 
sets other than the mickey mouse ones that you're fed by the competition 
might give you a better chance :)

Anthony

From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 01:41:06 2010
From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:41:06 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <4B6CAD9D.1080305@westnet.com.au>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
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I wonder whether something more compelling could be done by data comparison
with other freely available data sources. For example, those summary
statistics could be linked with the OpenAustralia data for the local
electoral region, plus perhaps house pricing figures or other ABS data?

Cheers,
-T

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Anthony Briggs <abriggs at westnet.com.au>wrote:

>  Lars Yencken wrote:
>
> On 5 February 2010 15:39, Leigh Morresi <dgtlmoon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> has anyone actually tried to get this "data" ?
>
>
>  I looked at data sets released last year in the same spirit, and they
> seemed to be mostly summary statistics, a far cry from the raw data feeds
> which powered Chicago Crime, which is now EveryBlock<http://www.everyblock.com/>.
>
>
> That was my thought too. I can't see how you would make something
> compelling with those three example data sets. From the police site:
>
> "Victoria Police will be updating the crime figures every three months so
> you can see what is happening in your suburbs and hear directly from your
> local police Inspector about the work being done by police in your
> neighbourhood."
>
> That's not "open access" - that's called "having a web site". The
> water/stream quality one is the same - there's some data in there, but it
> stops at around 2002, so it's not very useful (eg. no up to the minute
> e-coli readings by beach).
>
> Not that I'm trying to be cynical or anything, but it does seem that
> they're missing the point a bit. Perhaps they'll release more up to date
> data once the competition goes live.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>


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From tobias.sargeant at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 01:51:02 2010
From: tobias.sargeant at gmail.com (Tobias Sargeant)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:51:02 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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Just a thought - crime statistics are great as a data source, but
their impact on peoples' mood and sense of security is largely
negative. An app that presents positive information about peoples'
environment is, to my mind, much more valuable. If you can also try
and get positive feedback so that people can improve their environment
and see that reflected in the information available to them (not
immediately, of course, but you'd have to pick something that was
updated in a timely manner) then I think you'd have a good chance.

What about a game based around neighbourhood water saving?

From lists at holsman.net  Sat Feb  6 04:29:31 2010
From: lists at holsman.net (Ian Holsman)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:29:31 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <4B6CB6AC.4040508@westnet.com.au>
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I had a look, and was kind of disappointed at the quality/timeliness of 
the data.
your going to have to spend half of your time crawling the sites/parsing 
their HTML

anyone know if you can get access to the data behind the myschool site?

On 2/6/10 11:24 AM, Anthony Briggs wrote:
> Anthony Briggs wrote:
>> Lars Yencken wrote:
>>> On 5 February 2010 15:39, Leigh Morresi <dgtlmoon at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:dgtlmoon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     has anyone actually tried to get this "data" ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I looked at data sets released last year in the same spirit, and 
>>> they seemed to be mostly summary statistics, a far cry from the raw 
>>> data feeds which powered Chicago Crime, which is now EveryBlock 
>>> <http://www.everyblock.com/>.
> >
>> That was my thought too. I can't see how you would make something 
>> compelling with those three example data sets. From the police site:
>>
>> "Victoria Police will be updating the crime figures every three 
>> months so you can see what is happening in your suburbs and hear 
>> directly from your local police Inspector about the work being done 
>> by police in your neighbourhood."
>>
>> That's not "open access" - that's called "having a web site".
>
> A quick bit of googling around found this page:
>
> http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=782
>
> Which gives some more meaty stats, like "Offences Recorded by Offence 
> Code 10 Financial Years". However, I suspect you'll need to know a bit 
> about the law to make sense of it, and the laws do seem to switch 
> around a bit. For example, there are several lines for trafficking 
> heroin:
>
> 653A    TRAFFICK HEROIN    9719.71.1
> 2,378    1,745    651    8    24    9    10    5    1    17
> 653J    TRAFFICK LARGE COMM QTY - HEROIN    9719.71    0    0    0    
> 10    0    7    7    2    0    4
> 653L    TRAFFICK COMM QTY - HEROIN    9719.71AA    0    0    0    
> 12    10    12    13    5    13    7
> 653N    TRAFFICK HEROIN    9719.71AC    0    0    324    917    
> 1,175    919    541    599    442    661
>
> However, there are a couple of fields for the criminal category/code 
> that it references (eg. 653A/9719.71.1 or 653N/9719.71AC), so if there 
> was another dataset for what these mean, it could work.
>
> Has anyone else found similar datasets online? It could be that using 
> sets other than the mickey mouse ones that you're fed by the 
> competition might give you a better chance :)
>
> Anthony
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>


From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Sat Feb  6 06:25:02 2010
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:25:02 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] mirror app [Was: Project time?]
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
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On 5/02/2010 3:36pm, Irae Hueck Costa wrote:
>
>
> How about a little brainstorming and then we meet at some McDonalds?
> Here an idea:
> Feed the data into an artificial neural network (and make the found
> patterns usefull for the everyday use?).

Let's accept that the data sets currently available are less than great. 
If we assume (invent) some good data then we can write a winning 
application.

We need to look past current datasets. If what we do is compelling 
enough it will eventually force the proper collection of useful data 
just so our application can reveal insights otherwise unattainable.

I had discussions in 2007 with the Vic government about exactly this 
requirement. We agreed then that the objective should be to correlate 
information so that it is possible for policy makers to adjust something 
(a law, a tax, a handout, whatever) with a predicted outcome and for the 
system to demonstrate success or failure down the track.

For example, let's say water consumption is particularly low in a 
partularly crime-ridden area. A policy maker might ease watering 
restrictions there with the expected outcome of greener gardens hoping 
community morale might pick up and the crime rate may drop. BTW if it 
worked it might have nothing to do with morale but rather the increase 
in casual employment for young gardeners.

All of that is just ordinary. What we really need is the equivalent of 
time-lapse photography and data collected in lots of (de-identified) 
streams which are tied to geographic locations.

Patterns of information in the environment indicate trends in society. 
We just need to see them in context to draw the correct insights. 
Remember New York's zero tolerance of graffiti co-inciding with a drop 
in homicides?

So, I think our competition entry should be an API for a data 
visualisation app. Or a wrapper for an existing data visualisation tool. 
I want to see "time-lapse" mountains and valleys flowing across the 
screen so our policy makers can spot connections, freeze the frame, 
drill down and ponder. A mirror on society.

We should be able to assume the existence of the NBN and widespread VPN 
access to databases hither and yon. For the competition we can 
manufacture whatever data we want for demonstration (actually testing) 
purposes.

Mike



> I dont think that this will give better results than other stochastic
> methods, but it sounds fancy.
>
> Here some shorter python specific introduction to neural networks:
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-neural/
>
> ps:
> Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so
> we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.
>
>  > From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com
>  > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
>  > To: melbourne-pug at python.org
>  > Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
>  >
>  > Hi all,
>  >
>  > So this competition was just announced:
>  >
>  > http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>  >
>  > The short story being:
>  >
>  > 1. take 50 datasets like
>  > ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>  > ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>  > ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>  > 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>  > 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>  > 4. profit!
>  >
>  > So, who's interested?
>  >
>  >
>  > Richard
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > melbourne-pug mailing list
>  > melbourne-pug at python.org
>  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Quer navegar na Internet sem medo? Instale gr?tis o Internet Explorer 8.
> <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9707132>
>
>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug


From nicholas.farrell at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 07:12:09 2010
From: nicholas.farrell at gmail.com (Nick Farrell)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:12:09 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] mirror app [Was: Project time?]
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	<COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>
	<4B6CFD2E.6070308@dewhirst.com.au>
Message-ID: <d14a1dfc1002052212l5df55658u271a66ef69711eec@mail.gmail.com>

Google's visualisation API is actually quite good, and we have used it
before when presenting some complex data to DPCD - in particular, the Motion
Charts<http://code.google.com/apis/visualization/documentation/gallery/motionchart.html>interface
allows up to 5 dimensions of data to be displayed at once: one on
the time axis, two on the X/Y axis (which need to be continuous or at least
numeric dimensions), one which defines each ball's relative size (also
numeric) and another for each ball's colour (which may be a discrete
dimension). With no programming beyond formatting the input data, end-users
can fish for relationships with only minimal training. Patterns which would
never be seen in tables or static graphs can be divined very quickly when
movement and colour are used...

<IMHO>
My two cents would be to build a web service which acts as a central
catalogue of the available data sources, along with some metadata on each
one. Then use client-side code (javascript) to connect directly to the
datasources. The more standards-compliant the organisations are with their
data, the easier it will be for the clients to use it. This is similar to
OpeNDAP, and the OGC geospatial web services such as WMS/WFS.

This approach would also encourage other government agencies to contribute,
as the overheads are very low - just provide access to the data using one of
a number of supported protocols. No need for them to build a front-end, and
no need to advertise it; it will immediately appear in the list of available
data sources.

Python is likely a good tool for the central web service, and may also be
useful for the data providers. When it comes to the core work here though,
I'm not sure that python is the best language, unless we'll use something
like pyjamas to convert python code to something which can run client-side
in browsers. To provide a tool for working with all this heterogeneous data,
and potentially more in the future, it would be unwise to try to cherry-pick
a subset of the data and discard the rest as useless. Let the users decide
for themselves.
</IMHO>

nick


2010/2/6 Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au>

> On 5/02/2010 3:36pm, Irae Hueck Costa wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> How about a little brainstorming and then we meet at some McDonalds?
>> Here an idea:
>> Feed the data into an artificial neural network (and make the found
>> patterns usefull for the everyday use?).
>>
>
> Let's accept that the data sets currently available are less than great. If
> we assume (invent) some good data then we can write a winning application.
>
> We need to look past current datasets. If what we do is compelling enough
> it will eventually force the proper collection of useful data just so our
> application can reveal insights otherwise unattainable.
>
> I had discussions in 2007 with the Vic government about exactly this
> requirement. We agreed then that the objective should be to correlate
> information so that it is possible for policy makers to adjust something (a
> law, a tax, a handout, whatever) with a predicted outcome and for the system
> to demonstrate success or failure down the track.
>
> For example, let's say water consumption is particularly low in a
> partularly crime-ridden area. A policy maker might ease watering
> restrictions there with the expected outcome of greener gardens hoping
> community morale might pick up and the crime rate may drop. BTW if it worked
> it might have nothing to do with morale but rather the increase in casual
> employment for young gardeners.
>
> All of that is just ordinary. What we really need is the equivalent of
> time-lapse photography and data collected in lots of (de-identified) streams
> which are tied to geographic locations.
>
> Patterns of information in the environment indicate trends in society. We
> just need to see them in context to draw the correct insights. Remember New
> York's zero tolerance of graffiti co-inciding with a drop in homicides?
>
> So, I think our competition entry should be an API for a data visualisation
> app. Or a wrapper for an existing data visualisation tool. I want to see
> "time-lapse" mountains and valleys flowing across the screen so our policy
> makers can spot connections, freeze the frame, drill down and ponder. A
> mirror on society.
>
> We should be able to assume the existence of the NBN and widespread VPN
> access to databases hither and yon. For the competition we can manufacture
> whatever data we want for demonstration (actually testing) purposes.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>  I dont think that this will give better results than other stochastic
>> methods, but it sounds fancy.
>>
>> Here some shorter python specific introduction to neural networks:
>> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-neural/
>>
>> ps:
>> Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so
>> we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.
>>
>>  > From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com
>>  > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
>>  > To: melbourne-pug at python.org
>>  > Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
>>  >
>>  > Hi all,
>>  >
>>  > So this competition was just announced:
>>  >
>>  > http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>>  >
>>  > The short story being:
>>  >
>>  > 1. take 50 datasets like
>>  > ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm
>> )
>>  > ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>>  > ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>>  > 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>>  > 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>>  > 4. profit!
>>  >
>>  > So, who's interested?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Richard
>>  >
>>  > _______________________________________________
>>  > melbourne-pug mailing list
>>  > melbourne-pug at python.org
>>  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> <http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9707132>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From rasjidw at openminddev.net  Sun Feb  7 12:36:39 2010
From: rasjidw at openminddev.net (Rasjid Wilcox)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:36:39 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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Bit late to the 'me too' party, but I'm interested too.  :-)

Cheers,

Rasjid.


Richard Jones wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> So this competition was just announced:
>
> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>
> The short story being:
>
> 1. take 50 datasets like 
> 	? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
> 	? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
> 	? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
> 4. profit!
>
> So, who's interested?
>
>
>       Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>   


From dgtlmoon at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 14:18:41 2010
From: dgtlmoon at gmail.com (Leigh Morresi)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 00:18:41 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
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	<4B6EA5C7.8080508@openminddev.net>
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yeh that's what i mean, exactly WHERE is this data?

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Rasjid Wilcox <rasjidw at openminddev.net> wrote:
> Bit late to the 'me too' party, but I'm interested too. ?:-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rasjid.
>
>
> Richard Jones wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So this competition was just announced:
>>
>> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>>
>> The short story being:
>>
>> 1. take 50 datasets like ? ? ? ?? Maps of local hospitals
>> (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>> ? ? ? ?? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>> ? ? ? ?? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>> 4. profit!
>>
>> So, who's interested?
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?Richard
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>



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From samuel.lai at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 03:22:01 2010
From: samuel.lai at gmail.com (Sam Lai)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:22:01 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <fbbedead1002070518m7e534177rd0ff5c98351c5811@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
	<4B6EA5C7.8080508@openminddev.net>
	<fbbedead1002070518m7e534177rd0ff5c98351c5811@mail.gmail.com>
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On 8 February 2010 00:18, Leigh Morresi <dgtlmoon at gmail.com> wrote:
> yeh that's what i mean, exactly WHERE is this data?

"The competition will be launched in late February on www.premier.vic.gov.au."

> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Rasjid Wilcox <rasjidw at openminddev.net> wrote:
>> Bit late to the 'me too' party, but I'm interested too. ?:-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rasjid.
>>
>>
>> Richard Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> So this competition was just announced:
>>>
>>> http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>>>
>>> The short story being:
>>>
>>> 1. take 50 datasets like ? ? ? ?? Maps of local hospitals
>>> (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>>> ? ? ? ?? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>>> ? ? ? ?? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>>> 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>>> 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>>> 4. profit!
>>>
>>> So, who's interested?
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? ?Richard
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
>
>
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From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 04:24:07 2010
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:24:07 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
Message-ID: <851350be1002071924i11919d00g85dd464430d4e9e9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

There was a talk at one of the mpug meet ups last year about logging
in python, I happened to be a bit late and only caught the end of it.

I can't seem to find the talk on the wiki, can someone please point me
in the right direction.  Thanks


James

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 04:46:23 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:46:23 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
In-Reply-To: <851350be1002071924i11919d00g85dd464430d4e9e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <851350be1002071924i11919d00g85dd464430d4e9e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F4FDA87-E85D-4311-8140-305859334D2A@gmail.com>

On 08/02/2010, at 2:24 PM, James Alford wrote:
> There was a talk at one of the mpug meet ups last year about logging
> in python, I happened to be a bit late and only caught the end of it.
> 
> I can't seem to find the talk on the wiki, can someone please point me
> in the right direction.  Thanks

That was me, blathering on about Lumberjack:

http://code.zacharyvoase.com/lumberjack/src/tip/README


      Richard


From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 05:24:43 2010
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:24:43 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
In-Reply-To: <3F4FDA87-E85D-4311-8140-305859334D2A@gmail.com>
References: <851350be1002071924i11919d00g85dd464430d4e9e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F4FDA87-E85D-4311-8140-305859334D2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <851350be1002072024q634a4d69hf5951c1f2bd5dcf3@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent.

Thanks mate.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/02/2010, at 2:24 PM, James Alford wrote:
>> There was a talk at one of the mpug meet ups last year about logging
>> in python, I happened to be a bit late and only caught the end of it.
>>
>> I can't seem to find the talk on the wiki, can someone please point me
>> in the right direction. ?Thanks
>
> That was me, blathering on about Lumberjack:
>
> http://code.zacharyvoase.com/lumberjack/src/tip/README
>
>
> ? ? ?Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>

From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 05:30:36 2010
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:30:36 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
In-Reply-To: <851350be1002072024q634a4d69hf5951c1f2bd5dcf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <851350be1002071924i11919d00g85dd464430d4e9e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F4FDA87-E85D-4311-8140-305859334D2A@gmail.com>
	<851350be1002072024q634a4d69hf5951c1f2bd5dcf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <851350be1002072030n1aae6186g3692e7b34eb1691@mail.gmail.com>

Richard, have you used this at a production level?

The readme mentions that it is not stable.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:24 PM, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Excellent.
>
> Thanks mate.
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/02/2010, at 2:24 PM, James Alford wrote:
>>> There was a talk at one of the mpug meet ups last year about logging
>>> in python, I happened to be a bit late and only caught the end of it.
>>>
>>> I can't seem to find the talk on the wiki, can someone please point me
>>> in the right direction. ?Thanks
>>
>> That was me, blathering on about Lumberjack:
>>
>> http://code.zacharyvoase.com/lumberjack/src/tip/README
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?Richard
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 05:43:45 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:43:45 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
In-Reply-To: <851350be1002072030n1aae6186g3692e7b34eb1691@mail.gmail.com>
References: <851350be1002071924i11919d00g85dd464430d4e9e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F4FDA87-E85D-4311-8140-305859334D2A@gmail.com>
	<851350be1002072024q634a4d69hf5951c1f2bd5dcf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<851350be1002072030n1aae6186g3692e7b34eb1691@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ADCC5671-A76B-489E-B1BE-4CFF28618993@gmail.com>

No, I only wish I could :)


      Richard

On 08/02/2010, at 3:30 PM, James Alford wrote:

> Richard, have you used this at a production level?
> 
> The readme mentions that it is not stable.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:24 PM, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Excellent.
>> 
>> Thanks mate.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 08/02/2010, at 2:24 PM, James Alford wrote:
>>>> There was a talk at one of the mpug meet ups last year about logging
>>>> in python, I happened to be a bit late and only caught the end of it.
>>>> 
>>>> I can't seem to find the talk on the wiki, can someone please point me
>>>> in the right direction.  Thanks
>>> 
>>> That was me, blathering on about Lumberjack:
>>> 
>>> http://code.zacharyvoase.com/lumberjack/src/tip/README
>>> 
>>> 
>>>      Richard
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>> 
>> 
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From paul at metrak.com  Mon Feb  8 08:34:21 2010
From: paul at metrak.com (paul sorenson)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:34:21 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
In-Reply-To: <4B6CB6AC.4040508@westnet.com.au>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>	<COL105-W1566D362A7D8A8A46EEA6DB540@phx.gbl>	<fbbedead1002042039q33ea51ddy1c576bde58bb4640@mail.gmail.com>	<313fdf961002051333k100740e5p3698bad476a4de60@mail.gmail.com>	<4B6CAD9D.1080305@westnet.com.au>
	<4B6CB6AC.4040508@westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4B6FBE7D.7000606@metrak.com>

These are pretend data sets.

What you need is a row for every crime for crime stats, every fatality
for road deaths etc.

cheers

On 06/02/10 11:24, Anthony Briggs wrote:
> Anthony Briggs wrote:
>> Lars Yencken wrote:
>>> On 5 February 2010 15:39, Leigh Morresi <dgtlmoon at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:dgtlmoon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     has anyone actually tried to get this "data" ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I looked at data sets released last year in the same spirit, and they
>>> seemed to be mostly summary statistics, a far cry from the raw data
>>> feeds which powered Chicago Crime, which is now EveryBlock
>>> <http://www.everyblock.com/>.
>>
>> That was my thought too. I can't see how you would make something
>> compelling with those three example data sets. From the police site:
>>
>> "Victoria Police will be updating the crime figures every three months
>> so you can see what is happening in your suburbs and hear directly
>> from your local police Inspector about the work being done by police
>> in your neighbourhood."
>>
>> That's not "open access" - that's called "having a web site".
> 
> A quick bit of googling around found this page:
> 
> http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=782
> 
> Which gives some more meaty stats, like "Offences Recorded by Offence
> Code 10 Financial Years". However, I suspect you'll need to know a bit
> about the law to make sense of it, and the laws do seem to switch around
> a bit. For example, there are several lines for trafficking heroin:
> 
> 653A    TRAFFICK HEROIN    9719.71.1   
> 2,378    1,745    651    8    24    9    10    5    1    17       
> 653J    TRAFFICK LARGE COMM QTY - HEROIN    9719.71    0    0    0   
> 10    0    7    7    2    0    4       
> 653L    TRAFFICK COMM QTY - HEROIN    9719.71AA    0    0    0    12   
> 10    12    13    5    13    7       
> 653N    TRAFFICK HEROIN    9719.71AC    0    0    324    917    1,175   
> 919    541    599    442    661       
> 
> However, there are a couple of fields for the criminal category/code
> that it references (eg. 653A/9719.71.1 or 653N/9719.71AC), so if there
> was another dataset for what these mean, it could work.
> 
> Has anyone else found similar datasets online? It could be that using
> sets other than the mickey mouse ones that you're fed by the competition
> might give you a better chance :)
> 
> Anthony
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From hartror at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 21:48:58 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:48:58 -0800
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
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I've used Twisted's logging in production with great success.

http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/core/howto/logging.html

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>wrote:

> No, I only wish I could :)
>
>
>      Richard
>
> On 08/02/2010, at 3:30 PM, James Alford wrote:
>
> > Richard, have you used this at a production level?
> >
> > The readme mentions that it is not stable.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:24 PM, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Excellent.
> >>
> >> Thanks mate.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On 08/02/2010, at 2:24 PM, James Alford wrote:
> >>>> There was a talk at one of the mpug meet ups last year about logging
> >>>> in python, I happened to be a bit late and only caught the end of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I can't seem to find the talk on the wiki, can someone please point me
> >>>> in the right direction.  Thanks
> >>>
> >>> That was me, blathering on about Lumberjack:
> >>>
> >>> http://code.zacharyvoase.com/lumberjack/src/tip/README
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      Richard
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> melbourne-pug mailing list
> >>> melbourne-pug at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
> >>>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
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> > melbourne-pug at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From nick.mellor.groups at pobox.com  Wed Feb 10 05:52:39 2010
From: nick.mellor.groups at pobox.com (Nick Mellor)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:52:39 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] First meeting for 2010 next week!
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Thanks Rasjid, good point: no, it doesn't have to be in Australia, though it
would be nice to give an Australian company the business.

Do you think 512K RAM would be enough for an Australian subset of open
street mapping (OSM) running on PostGIS? If you have experience I'd be keen
to hear it.

Thanks,

Nick

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Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] First meeting for 2010 next week!

Nick Mellor wrote:
> Wondering if any of you have a tip for a good
> Python/Django/PostgreSQL/PostGIS-enabled server (a virtual server setup
> would do) that I could buy space and cycles on? Or, if I were to run my
own
> server, somewhere in Melbourne I could hook it up to the Internet for a
> reasonable price? (Broadband out here in Newstead isn't up to the job of
> hosting a GIS server, or indeed any web server.)
>   

Did you need the server (virtual or otherwise) to actually be in 
Australia?  If you are okay with the US, at ServerAxis 
(http://www.serveraxis.com/) you can get a virtual linux server with 
512MB ram for as little as USD$15 per month.  Or if you are happy to pay 
a bit more for a great control panel and great support, I can recommend 
Linode (http://www.linode.com/).

Maybe someone else can suggest Australian options....

Cheers,

Rasjid.

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From rasjidw at openminddev.net  Wed Feb 10 13:45:46 2010
From: rasjidw at openminddev.net (Rasjid Wilcox)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:45:46 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] First meeting for 2010 next week!
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Nick Mellor wrote:
> Thanks Rasjid, good point: no, it doesn't have to be in Australia, though it
> would be nice to give an Australian company the business.
>   
Indeed.  There is also the advantage with an Australian company that the 
tech support is likely to be in the same timezone.  But I've yet to find 
an VPS plan with an Australian company suitable for on-the-side personal 
use (ie, respectable amount of RAM on a budget).
> Do you think 512K RAM would be enough for an Australian subset of open
> street mapping (OSM) running on PostGIS? If you have experience I'd be keen
> to hear it.
>   
No idea, but at least with a VPS upgrading the amount of RAM is only a 
support request away.  There is of course generally additional cost 
involved.

Cheers,

Rasjid.


From tiskanto at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 05:00:22 2010
From: tiskanto at gmail.com (Teguh Iskanto)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:00:22 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
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Try "logging" , for info : 'pydoc logging'
It comes as a default from python installation and it's a thread-safe module
as I've used this in the production environment

here's a sample that I've used ( I use this as a module to log all the
thread-worker )
-----------------8<-------------------
import logging
import time

# Global Params
log_level       = logging.DEBUG
log_format     = '%(asctime)s.%(msecs)03d : %(module)s - %(threadName)s -
%(message)s'
date_format     = '%a, %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'
file_name       = '/tmp/NOA.log'
file_mode       = 'a'

logging.basicConfig( \
        level           = log_level, \
        format          = log_format, \
        datefmt         = date_format, \
        filename        = file_name, \
        filemode        = file_mode )

-----------------8<-------------------

sample output :

Tue, 2008-11-11 08:49:58.442 : NOA - [JobNum: 327] [ACTION: forking] [fork
index: 0] [status: contacting cma 145.136.50.153]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:49:58.466 : NOA - [JobNum: 327] [ACTION: forking] [fork
index: 1] [status: contacting cma 145.136.50.154]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:49:59.340 : NOA - [JobNum: 327] [session:
Thread-5_145.136.50.153_JobNum_327] [status: connected]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:49:59.392 : NOA - [JobNum: 327] [session:
Thread-6_145.136.50.154_JobNum_327] [status: connected]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:49:59.392 : NOA - [JobNum: 327] [ACTION:
pre_connection_test] [status: successful]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:49:59.504 : network - [JobNum: 327] [ACTION: db_edit ->
del] [session: Thread-7_145.136.50.153_JobNum_327_del_networ
k] [obj: cuuuuuustomeeeeeeeeeeeer-net-12.21.12.21-2_FAIL] [result: NOT
successful] [reason: OBJECT NOT FOUND]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:49:59.504 : network - [JobNum: 327] [ACTION: db_edit ->
del] [session: Thread-8_145.136.50.154_JobNum_327_del_networ
k] [obj: cuuuuuustomeeeeeeeeeeeer-net-12.21.12.21-2_FAIL] [result: NOT
successful] [reason: OBJECT NOT FOUND]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:50:00.341 : network - [JobNum: 327] [ACTION:
final_del_act] [result: NOT successful]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:50:00.341 : NOA -
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:50:00.341 : NOA - [JobNum: 332] [ACTION: get_object]
[TNAME:services] [TYPE:other_service] [ACT:del] - cma : [u'145.
136.50.153', u'145.136.50.154']
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:50:00.376 : NOA - [JobNum: 332] [ACTION: forking] [fork
index: 0] [status: contacting cma 145.136.50.153]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:50:00.410 : NOA - [JobNum: 332] [ACTION: forking] [fork
index: 1] [status: contacting cma 145.136.50.154]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:50:01.400 : NOA - [JobNum: 332] [session:
Thread-9_145.136.50.153_JobNum_332] [status: connected]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:50:01.407 : NOA - [JobNum: 332] [session:
Thread-10_145.136.50.154_JobNum_332] [status: connected]
Tue, 2008-11-11 08:50:01.408 : NOA - [JobNum: 332] [ACTION:
pre_connection_test] [status: successful]



Cheers,
Teguh Iskanto



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've used Twisted's logging in production with great success.
>
> http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/core/howto/logging.html
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> No, I only wish I could :)
>>
>>
>>      Richard
>>
>> On 08/02/2010, at 3:30 PM, James Alford wrote:
>>
>> > Richard, have you used this at a production level?
>> >
>> > The readme mentions that it is not stable.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:24 PM, James Alford <mydnite1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Excellent.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks mate.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> On 08/02/2010, at 2:24 PM, James Alford wrote:
>> >>>> There was a talk at one of the mpug meet ups last year about logging
>> >>>> in python, I happened to be a bit late and only caught the end of it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I can't seem to find the talk on the wiki, can someone please point
>> me
>> >>>> in the right direction.  Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> That was me, blathering on about Lumberjack:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://code.zacharyvoase.com/lumberjack/src/tip/README
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>      Richard
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> >>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>> >>>
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > melbourne-pug mailing list
>> > melbourne-pug at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Rory Hart
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> http://blog.roryhart.net
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From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 05:12:52 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:12:52 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
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On 12/02/2010, at 3:00 PM, Teguh Iskanto wrote:
> Try "logging" , for info : 'pydoc logging' 
> It comes as a default from python installation and it's a thread-safe module as I've used this in the production environment 

... and it has possibly the worst API of any module in the standard library :)

It's almost like it was written to slavishly follow an implementation from another language that doesn't have either a string formatting operator or decent built-in data structures for configuration ;)

But yes, it is thread-safe.


      Richard


From tiskanto at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 05:34:16 2010
From: tiskanto at gmail.com (Teguh Iskanto)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:34:16 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
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Regardless of how bad the API was written, I have to say it does the job
well and the system is still running in production flawlessly up until now
(and yes it runs in a multi-threaded fashion). When making the choice of
which API should be used, I always try to balance between practicality and
theory (and the last thing of course which one is the best to get the job
done). The regression test will draw the line and prove if we're making the
right choice or not (or just mere making academic exercise)

Cheers,
Teguh Iskanto


On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 12/02/2010, at 3:00 PM, Teguh Iskanto wrote:
> > Try "logging" , for info : 'pydoc logging'
> > It comes as a default from python installation and it's a thread-safe
> module as I've used this in the production environment
>
> ... and it has possibly the worst API of any module in the standard library
> :)
>
> It's almost like it was written to slavishly follow an implementation from
> another language that doesn't have either a string formatting operator or
> decent built-in data structures for configuration ;)
>
> But yes, it is thread-safe.
>
>
>      Richard
>
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From mydnite1 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 05:51:09 2010
From: mydnite1 at gmail.com (James Alford)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:51:09 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] logging in python
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I ended up using the logging from the python install.

I have to agree on both points but I like the end result.

Its nice to see it logging from threads with no problems (yet), if
lumberjack was stable then I would have looked into it.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Teguh Iskanto <tiskanto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Regardless of how bad the API was written, I have to say it does the job
> well and the system is still running in production flawlessly up until now
> (and yes it runs in a multi-threaded fashion).?When making the choice of
> which API should be used, I always try to balance between practicality and
> theory (and the last thing of course which one is the best to get the job
> done).?The regression test will draw the line and prove if we're making the
> right choice or not (or just mere making academic exercise)
>
> Cheers,
> Teguh Iskanto
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Richard Jones <r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/02/2010, at 3:00 PM, Teguh Iskanto wrote:
>> > Try "logging" , for info : 'pydoc logging'
>> > It comes as a default from python installation and it's a thread-safe
>> > module as I've used this in the production environment
>>
>> ... and it has possibly the worst API of any module in the standard
>> library :)
>>
>> It's almost like it was written to slavishly follow an implementation from
>> another language that doesn't have either a string formatting operator or
>> decent built-in data structures for configuration ;)
>>
>> But yes, it is thread-safe.
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?Richard
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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>
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From miked at climate.com.au  Fri Feb 12 06:19:27 2010
From: miked at climate.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:19:27 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] mirror app [Was: Project time?]
In-Reply-To: <4B6CFD2E.6070308@dewhirst.com.au>
References: <FDB0EBE1-5FE1-4E01-AC46-AC27825912FD@gmail.com>
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Further to datasets, here is what the US government is doing ...

this is a blog post by the US federal CIO
    http://tinyurl.com/us-gov-datasets

and this is the sort of data they are releasing
    http://www.data.gov/

Mike

On 6/02/2010 4:25pm, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> On 5/02/2010 3:36pm, Irae Hueck Costa wrote:
>>
>>
>> How about a little brainstorming and then we meet at some McDonalds?
>> Here an idea:
>> Feed the data into an artificial neural network (and make the found
>> patterns usefull for the everyday use?).
>
> Let's accept that the data sets currently available are less than great.
> If we assume (invent) some good data then we can write a winning
> application.
>
> We need to look past current datasets. If what we do is compelling
> enough it will eventually force the proper collection of useful data
> just so our application can reveal insights otherwise unattainable.
>
> I had discussions in 2007 with the Vic government about exactly this
> requirement. We agreed then that the objective should be to correlate
> information so that it is possible for policy makers to adjust something
> (a law, a tax, a handout, whatever) with a predicted outcome and for the
> system to demonstrate success or failure down the track.
>
> For example, let's say water consumption is particularly low in a
> partularly crime-ridden area. A policy maker might ease watering
> restrictions there with the expected outcome of greener gardens hoping
> community morale might pick up and the crime rate may drop. BTW if it
> worked it might have nothing to do with morale but rather the increase
> in casual employment for young gardeners.
>
> All of that is just ordinary. What we really need is the equivalent of
> time-lapse photography and data collected in lots of (de-identified)
> streams which are tied to geographic locations.
>
> Patterns of information in the environment indicate trends in society.
> We just need to see them in context to draw the correct insights.
> Remember New York's zero tolerance of graffiti co-inciding with a drop
> in homicides?
>
> So, I think our competition entry should be an API for a data
> visualisation app. Or a wrapper for an existing data visualisation tool.
> I want to see "time-lapse" mountains and valleys flowing across the
> screen so our policy makers can spot connections, freeze the frame,
> drill down and ponder. A mirror on society.
>
> We should be able to assume the existence of the NBN and widespread VPN
> access to databases hither and yon. For the competition we can
> manufacture whatever data we want for demonstration (actually testing)
> purposes.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>> I dont think that this will give better results than other stochastic
>> methods, but it sounds fancy.
>>
>> Here some shorter python specific introduction to neural networks:
>> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-neural/
>>
>> ps:
>> Maybe we should use some other way to communicate about this project so
>> we don`t flood the email incomming box of people who are not interested.
>>
>> > From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com
>> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:44 +1100
>> > To: melbourne-pug at python.org
>> > Subject: [melbourne-pug] Project time?
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > So this competition was just announced:
>> >
>> > http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/component/content/article/9300.html
>> >
>> > The short story being:
>> >
>> > 1. take 50 datasets like
>> > ? Maps of local hospitals (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/maps/index.htm)
>> > ? Crime statistics (http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/myplace.html)
>> > ? Water resources data (http://www.vicwaterdata.net/)
>> > 2. crank up a Pinax website (allowing us to focus on point #3)
>> > 3. present information from #1 in "interesting" ways
>> > 4. profit!
>> >
>> > So, who's interested?
>> >
>> >
>> > Richard
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > melbourne-pug mailing list
>> > melbourne-pug at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
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From justin at pixelbloom.com  Fri Feb 12 09:41:07 2010
From: justin at pixelbloom.com (justin morris)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:41:07 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] django users in Melbourne
Message-ID: <287159FD-6116-4C7F-8E6A-875FF6E5E872@pixelbloom.com>

Hi all! :)

Was just wondering what the scene is in melbs for django developers?  
Does anyone know of anyone doin much work with it in town, if so who?

Just trying to get a handle on whether there is much out there.

Thanks all,
Justin

(ps: first ever mailinglist participation - go me!)


From mark.hellewell at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 10:42:45 2010
From: mark.hellewell at gmail.com (mark hellewell)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:42:45 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] django users in Melbourne
In-Reply-To: <287159FD-6116-4C7F-8E6A-875FF6E5E872@pixelbloom.com>
References: <287159FD-6116-4C7F-8E6A-875FF6E5E872@pixelbloom.com>
Message-ID: <d3fd63661002120142w36aceddejc2fea9a5707d4dc6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Justin,

I do some Django in my day-to-day job.  I work for a company in London but
share office space in Melbourne.

I think Django is very useful and interesting.  It doesn't have the traction
of RoR but it's Pythonic :)

Mark

On 12 February 2010 19:41, justin morris <justin at pixelbloom.com> wrote:

> Hi all! :)
>
> Was just wondering what the scene is in melbs for django developers? Does
> anyone know of anyone doin much work with it in town, if so who?
>
> Just trying to get a handle on whether there is much out there.
>
> Thanks all,
> Justin
>
> (ps: first ever mailinglist participation - go me!)
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
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From hartror at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 12:00:24 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:00:24 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] django users in Melbourne
In-Reply-To: <d3fd63661002120142w36aceddejc2fea9a5707d4dc6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <287159FD-6116-4C7F-8E6A-875FF6E5E872@pixelbloom.com>
	<d3fd63661002120142w36aceddejc2fea9a5707d4dc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ce9d06b1002120300t5eba0e8aj1763d0e5c3630344@mail.gmail.com>

I'm Djangoing right now with user facing production code ^_^
Recently started switching the company from PHP to Django and I know of one
other shop that just did the same.

-- 
Rory Hart
http://www.whatisthescience.com
http://blog.roryhart.net

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:42 PM, mark hellewell <mark.hellewell at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Justin,
>
> I do some Django in my day-to-day job.  I work for a company in London but
> share office space in Melbourne.
>
> I think Django is very useful and interesting.  It doesn't have the
> traction of RoR but it's Pythonic :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 12 February 2010 19:41, justin morris <justin at pixelbloom.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all! :)
>>
>> Was just wondering what the scene is in melbs for django developers? Does
>> anyone know of anyone doin much work with it in town, if so who?
>>
>> Just trying to get a handle on whether there is much out there.
>>
>> Thanks all,
>> Justin
>>
>> (ps: first ever mailinglist participation - go me!)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>
>
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From tobias.sargeant at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 00:12:12 2010
From: tobias.sargeant at gmail.com (Tobias Sargeant)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:12:12 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Job opportunity - Melbourne
Message-ID: <58CFD6B8-AB37-4C19-9EBB-7A09C7E98D43@gmail.com>

We are looking for a software developer to join a team of
molecular and computational biologists to contribute to cutting
edge scientific research at one of Australia's leading medical
research institutes.

The role will involve development of databases and applications
designed to help biologists to access and analyse experimentally
generated data in effective and interesting ways in order to
inform and guide new medical research.

We have a great team environment that values flexibility and
autonomy, and the field of research is rapidly expanding as new
technologies enable molecular biologists to produce exponentially
increasing amounts of data.

We are open to a variety of development tools and methodologies,
but have a strong bias towards Python, C++, HTML/AJAX, WSGI and
open source software.

To be considered, you should have:

- B.Sc. or an equivalent, with a background in one of computing,
   mathematics, statistics or biology areas an advantage
- Experience with programming and databases, preferably in
   python and web based application development
- Strong problem solving skills and interest in working in a
   research environment
- Strong interpersonal and communication skills

Appointment level and salary will depend on qualifications and
previous experience. Up to 17% superannuation and very attractive
salary packaging options are available.

Enquiries may be made to Jarny Choi (jchoi at wehi.edu.au), Hilton
Lab, Walter and Eliza Hall Institute for Medical Research, 1G
Royal Parade Parkville 3052. (Phone: 9345 2602)

From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 04:37:05 2010
From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:37:05 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Next meeting 6:30pm Monday 1st March @ Horse Bazaar
Message-ID: <60ECE057-F41C-4A93-8B99-BDA588136F26@gmail.com>

Meeting details, location and talks list are at:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG

At the moment we've got NO talks listed in the wiki. 

Please feel free to offer up another talk. If you've seen something cool or are doing something cool then we'd like you to tell everyone about it! Presentations could be 5 minutes or up to 15 minutes if you'd like to ramble for a bit longer. If you've got an idea for a talk just add it to the wiki page.

I've mostly been fiddling around with old projects (getting some fixes and minor new code into Cocos2d; porting Roundup to Python 3) and working on trying to get PyCon Au started up so there's really nothing I've been doing that's talk-worthy.

If anyone would like to take the reins on the Vic govt. thing then please do so and maybe you could do a quickie talk about it? As it turns out I have enough on :)


    Richard


From pwilliams at nswrdn.com.au  Thu Feb 25 05:49:55 2010
From: pwilliams at nswrdn.com.au (Peter Williams)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:49:55 +1100
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python Django job opportunity - Newcastle NSW
	Australia
Message-ID: <4B860173.9090505@nswrdn.com.au>

Hi all

Please see:

http://tinyurl.com/djangojob

for a job being advertised by NSW Rural Doctors Network in Newcastle,
NSW, Australia.

Thanks.

Peter J Williams
Information Manager
NSW Rural Doctors Network
Head Office
Suite 19, Level 3
133 King Street
Newcastle NSW 2300
Telephone: (02) 4924-8000
Facsimile: (02) 4924-8010
Mailto:pwilliams at nswrdn.com.au
Web:http://www.nswrdn.com.au

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