From mauriceling at acm.org Tue Aug 15 07:04:55 2006 From: mauriceling at acm.org (Maurice Ling) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:04:55 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] any reason to stick to CVS? Message-ID: <44E155F7.90309@acm.org> Hi all, I've been hearing a lot about SVN (subversion) recently and Sourceforge is also supporting it. It seems to me that SVN is a good version control system which do not have some of CVS' defects. It seems that SVN is all pluses. So, is there any reason to continue using CVS? Well, issues with porting from CVS to SVN aside. Assuming that I start the project afresh, are there any reasons I should be using CVS and not SVN besides personal taste and experience? Thanks maurice From darius at obsidian.com.au Tue Aug 15 07:18:15 2006 From: darius at obsidian.com.au (Kevin Littlejohn) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:18:15 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] any reason to stick to CVS? In-Reply-To: <44E155F7.90309@acm.org> References: <44E155F7.90309@acm.org> Message-ID: <79B3B03E-F63A-4227-83D0-D74C56F1B065@obsidian.com.au> We're using svn for all new projects here, mostly because of trac - trac is a superb addition to any decent sized project, it gives you a bunch of tools (wiki, etc) tied into the svn repo. I can't see any reason to stick with cvs - even tortoise for windows has an svn version. KevinL On 15/08/2006, at 3:04 PM, Maurice Ling wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been hearing a lot about SVN (subversion) recently and > Sourceforge > is also supporting it. > It seems to me that SVN is a good version control system which do not > have some of CVS' defects. It seems that SVN is all pluses. So, is > there > any reason to continue using CVS? > Well, issues with porting from CVS to SVN aside. Assuming that I start > the project afresh, are there any reasons I should be using CVS and > not > SVN besides personal taste and experience? > > Thanks > maurice > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug KevinL --- Obsidian Consulting Group web: http://www.obsidian.com.au/ phone: +613 9355 7844 (ext 2001) fax: +613 9350 4097 From ryan at rfk.id.au Tue Aug 15 07:39:32 2006 From: ryan at rfk.id.au (Ryan Kelly) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:39:32 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] any reason to stick to CVS? In-Reply-To: <44E155F7.90309@acm.org> References: <44E155F7.90309@acm.org> Message-ID: <1155620373.7597.25.camel@mango> On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 15:04 +1000, Maurice Ling wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been hearing a lot about SVN (subversion) recently and Sourceforge > is also supporting it. > It seems to me that SVN is a good version control system which do not > have some of CVS' defects. It seems that SVN is all pluses. So, is there > any reason to continue using CVS? > Well, issues with porting from CVS to SVN aside. Assuming that I start > the project afresh, are there any reasons I should be using CVS and not > SVN besides personal taste and experience? I had a lot of success converting an existing CVS repository to SVN using cvs2svn. About the only downside I can think of that that the SVN repository is opaque, while CVS is transparent. That is to say, if you know what you are doing you can muck around in the CVS repository directly (e.g. to remove all traces of a file ever existing). Doing so in SVN is a lot harder. Of course, many people would consider this a good thing :-) Cheers, Ryan -- Ryan Kelly http://www.rfk.id.au | This message is digitally signed. Please visit ryan at rfk.id.au | http://www.rfk.id.au/ramblings/gpg/ for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/melbourne-pug/attachments/20060815/87f23fca/attachment.pgp From miked at dewhirst.com.au Tue Aug 15 09:14:43 2006 From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:14:43 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] any reason to stick to CVS? In-Reply-To: <1155620373.7597.25.camel@mango> References: <44E155F7.90309@acm.org> <1155620373.7597.25.camel@mango> Message-ID: <44E17463.60101@dewhirst.com.au> Ryan Kelly wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 15:04 +1000, Maurice Ling wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've been hearing a lot about SVN (subversion) recently and Sourceforge >> is also supporting it. >> It seems to me that SVN is a good version control system which do not >> have some of CVS' defects. It seems that SVN is all pluses. So, is there >> any reason to continue using CVS? >> Well, issues with porting from CVS to SVN aside. Assuming that I start >> the project afresh, are there any reasons I should be using CVS and not >> SVN besides personal taste and experience? > > I had a lot of success converting an existing CVS repository to SVN > using cvs2svn. About the only downside I can think of that that the SVN > repository is opaque, while CVS is transparent. That is to say, if you > know what you are doing you can muck around in the CVS repository > directly (e.g. to remove all traces of a file ever existing). Doing so > in SVN is a lot harder. > > Of course, many people would consider this a good thing :-) Including me. Although, I accidentally put a list of ftp passwords into svn once. Fortunately it was right at the beginning of the project so I blew that repository away and started it again more carefully. However, you could easily dump a repository, delete it, recreate it and write a script to reload it from the dump, omitting any unwanted files. I wouldn't ever try to "muck" around in svn. You can specify a file system (FSFS) repository instead of Berkeley (BDB) and if you can find someone sufficiently expert he/she might be able to tweak history. With FSFS you can tiptoe through the entire project with a text editor. Mike > > > Cheers, > > Ryan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > melbourne-pug at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug From tennessee at tennessee.id.au Wed Aug 16 03:21:28 2006 From: tennessee at tennessee.id.au (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:21:28 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] any reason to stick to CVS? In-Reply-To: <44E17463.60101@dewhirst.com.au> References: <44E155F7.90309@acm.org> <1155620373.7597.25.camel@mango> <44E17463.60101@dewhirst.com.au> Message-ID: <44E27318.5090304@tennessee.id.au> Mike Dewhirst wrote: > Ryan Kelly wrote: > >> On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 15:04 +1000, Maurice Ling wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've been hearing a lot about SVN (subversion) recently and Sourceforge >>> is also supporting it. >>> It seems to me that SVN is a good version control system which do not >>> have some of CVS' defects. It seems that SVN is all pluses. So, is there >>> any reason to continue using CVS? >>> Well, issues with porting from CVS to SVN aside. Assuming that I start >>> the project afresh, are there any reasons I should be using CVS and not >>> SVN besides personal taste and experience? >>> >> I had a lot of success converting an existing CVS repository to SVN >> using cvs2svn. About the only downside I can think of that that the SVN >> repository is opaque, while CVS is transparent. That is to say, if you >> know what you are doing you can muck around in the CVS repository >> directly (e.g. to remove all traces of a file ever existing). Doing so >> in SVN is a lot harder. >> >> Of course, many people would consider this a good thing :-) >> > > Including me. Although, I accidentally put a list of ftp passwords into > svn once. Fortunately it was right at the beginning of the project so I > blew that repository away and started it again more carefully. However, > you could easily dump a repository, delete it, recreate it and write a > script to reload it from the dump, omitting any unwanted files. > Not if you want to preserve the history... Cheers, -T From mailkylie at optushome.com.au Fri Aug 18 11:31:52 2006 From: mailkylie at optushome.com.au (Kylie Davies) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:31:52 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Software Freedom Day participation Message-ID: <1155893512.7150.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Melbourne Python Users, I tried sending an email a couple of weeks ago, but have not heard anything back...so thought I'd try the mailing list. Wondering if any of you would be interested in participating in Software Freedom Day this year? See www.softwarefreedomday.org for more info. We've got a big event planned at the Melbourne Town Hall on Sat Sept 16th! We've got most of the groups involved...Linux Australia, Melbourne Wireless, LUV, OSDC, Perl Mongers, OSV, OSIA, Linuxchix, and OzZope. Still waiting to confirm Melb PHP, MLUG...and yourselves. :) Groups will have access to a shared trestle table where they can put any promotional material they'd like to share with others. There is also room for a computer/laptop or 2 for any software demos you might do. We'll also have an broadband internet connection at the event. There is some info about it at: http://vic.computerbank.org.au/Members/kylie/sfdbazaar06 and a planning wiki at http://vic.computerbank.org.au/wiki/SoftwareFreedomDay It's going to be a great day! Be great if you can come along. :) We also need to know if you are coming...by Monday if possible...so we can include your groups name in a community service announcement that channel 31 is doing for us for free. We'll also be doing some press releases too. :) Cheers, Kylie -- Kylie Davies Coordinator/President Computerbank Victoria Inc http://vic.computerbank.org.au From mailkylie at optushome.com.au Wed Aug 30 02:33:55 2006 From: mailkylie at optushome.com.au (Kylie Davies) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:33:55 +1000 Subject: [melbourne-pug] Software Freedom Day Bazaar - Update Message-ID: <1156898035.7216.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi folks, Only 17 days to go! If your receiving this email it means we consider you a part of the Bazaar event. :) Here's an update on whats happening and a few important questions. We have 10 trestle tables available so we'll have to share them out equitably. Computerbank needs one for the kids-zone. And then there were 9. So we think we'll put Linux Australia, LUV, LinuxChix and MLUG all on the same table. = 2 tables Melbourne wireless sound like they are bringing a fair bit of stuff so we've allocated them a whole table. = 1 table OSDC, Melb Perl Mongers, The PHP, Python and Zope people can share 2 tables. = 2 tables OSV/OSIA can have two tables. There appears to be at least 5 businesses coming to the event. = 2 tables Community Media Services/Indymedia Melbourne can have one table. = 1 table Computerbank has a table = 1 table And then they were all used up. :) A floor plan and Pic of Swanston Hall can be found at http://www.melbournetownhall.com.au/functionRooms.cfm I'm still waiting to find out if we can bring in extra tables (don't see it being a problem). There will be four display boards, we'll scatter them between the tables fairly evenly. Computerbank will provide velcro dots for the purpose of hanging stuff up. There will be bandwidth, I'll need someone to call up and talk tech with Melb City. Anyone up for it? One snag is that we need to have all of our power boards and cords tagged and tested. Computerbank will worry about the power boards and standard cords - we'll get a bunch of them tested in one go. Laptops on batteries are ok. Not sure how we'll handle the tagging and testing of laptop cords and other devices. Maybe you already have equipment that is in test? Computerbank will try and enlist the services of a friendly sparky, we may be able to advertise a time when people can bring cords across for testing. I'll update you on that. If you know of someone who may be able to help I'd love to hear from you. To this end, what are people planning to bring along to the event? How many computers, laptops and monitors? CRT's or LCD's? Other things? It would be great if people could email me a list of items they'll be bringing. From this we can work out if we've got enough or if we've gone overboard. On bump in, MCC don't want us all lobbing up at once...I'm going to need to stagger things. If you have a preference to arrive at a certain time, please let me know. We'll be setting up from 9.30-10.45am. Happy if groups arrive later than this, we'll just have to know about it. I'm still finalising the program but a draft copy is attached for review and feedback. I'm hoping to get someone to volunteer to jazz it up a bit (format it differently) and add logos for all the groups attending. Sound like any of you? :) We'll have access to a projector and screen, still working on getting speakers and amp. Again if that's something you can help with, please let me know. Lastly...Community Media Services will be filming on the day and wanted me to find out if your all okay with it. They will try and get a bit about each group. Let me know if you wish not to be included. Also let me know who CMS should speak to out of your group? While not confirmed...another group Tektime, may also come and film. What other things do people need to know from me? What have I forgotten to include? Look forward to your replies, more news soon (including directions/schedule for bump in). Thanks, Kylie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: final_program.sxw Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.writer Size: 41370 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/melbourne-pug/attachments/20060830/fb0d2c92/attachment-0001.sxw