As Bullwinkle says, "This time for sure." At 11:30 a.m. PST 1/10/00 I tried to make a tar file that really does have the whole thing in it. If you are missing Include and/or Lib, refetch LLNLDistribution13.tgz from: ftp-icf.llnl.gov/pub/python I'm going to go hide under a rock for the rest of the day.