[ mailman-Bugs-1866486 ] validate HTML and email produced

Tue Jan 22 20:55:34 CET 2008

Bugs item #1866486, was opened at 2008-01-08 10:40
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jidanni
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Category: Web/CGI
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
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Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: validate HTML and email produced

Initial Comment:
In your test suite add
for all languages
   for all HTML pages
       run them thru a HTML validator
   for all administrative email sent
       run them thru e.g., SpamAssassin, to detect
       SUBJECT_NEEDS_ENCODING etc. embarrassment.

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>Comment By: jidanni (jidanni)
Date: 2008-01-23 03:55

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And as you will find your HTML is jam packed with _very hard to
maintain presentational blibber_, causing a billion validator errors,
meaning it is just by shear luck that people hopefully see what your
thought maybe they might see in their browsers at all, therefore I
recommend you forget your FrontPage Express style tag soup mess, and
try HTML Strict (http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd).

Never mind all those colors and tables. Get in the habit of thinking
from the point of all users: _accessibility_.

Here's an example of how I repaired your disastrous listinfo.html.

I couldn't use strict.dtd as the stuff I include of yours isn't
strict.

Also you insist on sticking a TABLE inside an ADDRESS, in
mm-mailman-footer, so short of just hardcoding the whole thing, it
will never be valid HTML.

Anyway I'm just telling you, not volunteering to help, but just
telling you, that aren't  these <H1> and <H2>'s easier to maintain
than that TABLE tag barf that you contracted Plotzworth Whoopie Pages
Web Designers for?

P.S., Before making one more release, make sure what you release is
valid HTML. Does Wikipedia pass the validator? Yes. It is quite
bananas to just emit TAG JUMBLE GAMBLE HTML with FINGER CROSSED to
people's browsers.

Anyway, just some <h2>'s and <p>'s:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html lang="zh-tw">
<head>
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content=
 "text/html; charset=utf-8">
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw">
 <title><mm-list-name> 相關資訊</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1><mm-list-name> -- <mm-list-description></h1>
<P>關於<mm-list-name>論壇</P>
<mm-subscribe-form-start><mm-form-end>
<p><mm-list-info></p>
<p>欲查本論壇舊信，請逕洽
<mm-archive><mm-list-name>檔案保管處</MM-Archive>。
 <mm-restricted-list-message></p>
<h2>使用<mm-list-name></h2>
 <P>欲在論壇發言，請寄到 <a
href="mailto:<MM-Posting-Addr>"><mm-posting-addr></a>。
<h2>加入<mm-list-name>論壇</h2>
 <P>請於聚會現場報名。 <!--ripped out this section, must
subscribe in person-->
<h2><mm-list-name>訂閱者</h2>
 <P><mm-options-form-start><mm-editing-options><mm-form-end>
<mm-mailman-footer>
</body>
</html>

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