From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul  1 20:04:44 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:04:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Announce] Mailman 2.1.11 final has been released.
In-Reply-To: <486930DE.6050202@msapiro.net>
References: <486930DE.6050202@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <486A71BC.3060105@msapiro.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

The release notes and NEWS file for Mailman 2.1.11 contains the
following innocuous looking item.

~    - Improved bounce loop detection and handling in BounceRunner.py.

This actually first appeared in 2.1.11rc2. It turns out this had an
unintended consequence, but I actually think it is a good thing.

The change involved bounces returned to the site list (mailman list)
- -bounces address. There was always code in BounceRunner.py to look at
bounces returned to the site list -bounces address to try to detect if
the bounce was a bounce of a notice to a list owner, and if so, to send
the bounce to the site list instead of processing it. This code never
worked right.

The main problem, is I don't in general know how to tell to what address
the bounced message was originally sent. If I did, there would never be
an unrecognized bounce. So part of the change in 2.1.11 rc2 and final is
to just forward to the site list owner any message that arrives to the
site list -bounces address so the owner can handle the bounce.

The unintended consequence is that bounces of password reminders will
also now go to the site list owner whereas before they were probably
just ignored or processed as unrecognized bounces to the site list.

Most of these bounces will probably be for dead addresses where the user
disabled delivery and forgot about the list and the address died and the
password reminders have been bouncing for a long time.

In the longer term, plain text passwords and reminders are going away,
but in the short term, the site list owner may get a lot of bounced
password reminders (possibly a whole lot in a large site) on the first
of the month following installation of this release.

I think the best way to deal with these is to remove the dead addresses
from the lists. Once this is done, the number of bounces on an ongoing
basis should be small.

- --
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)

iD8DBQFIanG8VVuXXpU7hpMRAg9UAKDa8+K8krlwftCWex/9HuGPV/yq8ACgkX0H
/lXKKlzIU/aP2xOhE9K3H5k=
=lOmt
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

From barry at list.org  Tue Jul  1 20:57:38 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:57:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Announce] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.11 final has
	been released.
In-Reply-To: <200807011840.m61IeRKV022201@julie.lostwells.net>
References: <200807011840.m61IeRKV022201@julie.lostwells.net>
Message-ID: <F32CB58B-B7E7-4193-8516-58D0E57E4610@list.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Jul 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Hank van Cleef wrote:

> I'm also concerned about this proposed scheme to discontinue montnly
> mailings.  It most definitely needs some mechanism whereby a user can
> reset or re-obtain their password without moderator intervention.  Our
> user base is just plain not password-savvy, and I'm concerned about
> the increase in moderator workload if the recovery method is similar
> to password resetting by root (the Unix method).

Don't worry, going forward we'll have a fairly typical password reset  
feature instead of the monthly reminder.  The other advantage of this  
is that we won't have to keep user passwords in our database  
unencrypted.

- -Barry

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin)

iEYEARECAAYFAkhqfiIACgkQ2YZpQepbvXGgOACgphaPDxMRZ1E3bSO+NVVTqHxM
8ogAoKD9V1hQ18ZkTlHsAb0X7Ky5YVEr
=cYvr
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

From barry at list.org  Sun Jul  6 17:52:45 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:52:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Announce] Donate to GNU Mailman!
Message-ID: <1890C687-2335-408B-84E2-602571A19A3D@list.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I'm very pleased to announce that you can now donate to the GNU  
Mailman project!

https://www.fsf.org/donate/directed-donations/gnumailman/

The Free Software Foundation has established a directed donation fund  
for GNU Mailman.  Most of your donation goes directly to GNU Mailman,  
with a small percentage going to help the FSF.  You can now support  
both great organizations with one donation.

As quoted on the donation page:

"Your donation will be used to obtain equipment, services, development  
resources and other support for the GNU Mailman project.  All  
expenditures will be approved by a committee chosen from core GNU  
Mailman maintainers, and will be fully disclosed on the main GNU  
Mailman website."

Currently myself, Mark Sapiro and Terri Oda are serving as members of  
the informal Mailman Steering Committee.

I'd like to thank Peter Brown at the FSF for help getting this set up  
over there. I'd also like to thank Jeff Marshall and Jeff Breidenbach  
from the Mail-Archive.com for their initial generous donation.  As  
part of this kick-start, Mailman 3 will make it possible to easily  
archive your public mailing lists at www.mail-archive.com, including a  
permalink in the footer of all messages.

More details on the donation program are available on the wiki:

http://wiki.list.org/x/R4BJ

Feel free to comment on that page with any questions, and we'll make  
sure to update the page with any additional information.

Please consider supporting both GNU Mailman and the FSF with your  
donation.  We thank you.

- -Barry

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin)

iEYEARECAAYFAkhw6k0ACgkQ2YZpQepbvXEo8ACffJq3QNTmNIDIR8Fa6x8e+sjT
2egAnArei7fdCEsIjNjcW7utRs6KHHCc
=6VAj
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

From barry at list.org  Fri Jul 11 00:39:37 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:39:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Announce] 2008 Pizzigati Prize
Message-ID: <AA778391-70C8-4923-A013-091643C69484@list.org>

Last year, I was humbly honored to be awarded the 2007 Antonio  
Pizzigati Prize for Software in the Public Interest.  This year, I am  
honored to serve on the awards committee for the 2008 prize.

Attached is the PDF flyer announcing the 2008 prize.  The application  
deadline is September 1st, 2008, which is rapidly approaching.  Please  
spread this announcement far and wide and if you know of any worthy  
Open Sourcerers, please encourage them to apply.  More information is  
available on the prize's site:

http://www.pizzigatiprize.org

Cheers,
-Barry

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: 08flyer.pdf
Type: application/pdf
Size: 118022 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-announce/attachments/20080710/93db15fc/attachment.pdf>
-------------- next part --------------

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: PGP.sig
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 194 bytes
Desc: This is a digitally signed message part
URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-announce/attachments/20080710/93db15fc/attachment.pgp>