[IronPython] Re: MSH vs IronPython

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>>> in the doc they speak about a new-object type syntax, but that doesn't work.....

I find your "review" somewhat misleading (the it doesn't work bit?) :)

MSH isn't really intended to be a script based application development
environment for developing object oriented applications - it really is
an administrative scripting tool that provides the glue that connects
discoverable, user-defined (binary) commands - that communicate with
each other through a structured object based pipeline.  See
http://weblogs.asp.net/ahoffman/archive/2003/12/28/46162.aspx

IronPython addresses a different market - one more geared to take
advantage of its shell, concise yet elegant object oriented language,
and ability to easily reuse non-binary code - in order to create
somewhat more traditional executables and libraries.

I'm blown away by MSH's object pipeline, composable architecture and
simple mechanism for command discovery - but dismayed by its $#*!
syntax.

I'm blown away by (Iron)Python's sheer productivity, concise predictable
syntax, interactive mode, dynamic (yet strongly-typed) types and ability
to produce (soon?) and consume CLR types - for more traditional
development.

Alex Hoffman


----- Original message -----
From: "Lloyd Dupont" <ld at galador.net>
To: users-ironpython.com at lists.ironpython.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:59:43 +1000
Subject: Re: [IronPython] Re: users-ironpython.com Digest, Vol 2, Issue
20

I could already gives you my 1st impression.
(but not yet the 2nd one...)

it looks awfull and scriptic like
while ( $var -lt 10 ) { write-host $var; $var += 1 }

and then it seems more file system oriented (I could get-childitem C: or 
(better) dir HKCU:\Printers)
but I haven't been able to create a normal object (let say a form).
in the doc they speak about a
new-object type syntax, but that doesn't work.....

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall Burns" <randall_burns at yahoo.com>
To: <users-ironpython.com at lists.ironpython.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:28 AM
Subject: [IronPython] Re: users-ironpython.com Digest, Vol 2, Issue 20


>
> --- users-ironpython.com-request at lists.ironpython.com
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:50:17 +1000
>> From: "Lloyd Dupont" <ld at galador.net>
>>
> What I've found:
> I tend to write stuff in Python over  bash or similar
> shells from the standpoint of maintainability-and
> avoiding a tower of babel(one language can do more).
>
> This works because the classes for doing stuff largely
> equivalent to bash are reasonbly mature in Python.
> What Microsoft _appears_ to be doing with this stuff
> is creating a next generation shell that takes
> advantage of some of the .NET features. That would I
> expect mean that to provide equivalent functionality,
> Python would
> need some new libraries/classes.
>
> I'd really like to know your thoughts as you get more
> familiar with MSH.
>
>
>> I've been confirmed beta tester of MSH, should be
>> able to start testing
>> tomorrow (well, this wek-end)
>> however I have the feeling, somehow, that python has
>> a definitive edge which
>> is:
>>
>> Python could be embeded into your application, to
>> provide configurable UI.
>> Well, any kind of configuration in fact, that's
>> really great!
>> Infact even run-time modification (maybe there is
>> security setting to
>> investigate before though :S)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Randall Burns" <randall_burns at yahoo.com>
>> To: <users-ironpython.com at lists.ironpython.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 5:34 AM
>> Subject: [IronPython] Re: users-ironpython.com
>> Digest, Vol 2, Issue 18
>>
>>
>> > How do folks see the new Microsoft command shell
>> > relates to IronPython? Will Iron Python be able to
>> > leverage any of this work?
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/21/0153251&tid=201&tid=156&tid=8
>> >
>> >
>
>
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