From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Mon Jun  3 08:16:46 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:46:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets are Live!
Message-ID: <ea51b1db-97e8-38a3-fc81-f6fef3a80292@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
Tickets for PyCon India 2019 are live at https://in.pycon.org/

Regards,
Vijay

From vishek134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 08:39:04 2019
From: vishek134 at gmail.com (VISHEK PRATAP)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 18:09:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets are Live!
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References: <ea51b1db-97e8-38a3-fc81-f6fef3a80292@bravegnu.org>
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Is the ticket will be transferrable?? Or refundable

On Mon 3 Jun, 2019, 6:04 PM Vijay Kumar, <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> Tickets for PyCon India 2019 are live at https://in.pycon.org/
>
> Regards,
> Vijay
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> Mailing list guidelines :
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf
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From satyaakam at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 01:41:11 2019
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyakam goswami)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:11:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets are Live!
In-Reply-To: <CANaXaNUDvSiRbj2O1b28561GT5ZiXvW4nUuWM7_VKk46SywwOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ea51b1db-97e8-38a3-fc81-f6fef3a80292@bravegnu.org>
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:10 PM VISHEK PRATAP <vishek134 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the ticket will be transferrable?? Or refundable
>
read https://in.pycon.org/2019/faq.html for transfer or refund policy

thanks
-Satya
Satyakam.dev <http://satyakam.dev/> | afrost.org | fossevents.in
<http://www.fossevents.in/>
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From pparitoshik at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 03:09:35 2019
From: pparitoshik at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UM6x0Y/OudGCz4PRldC9zrnQuiBQzrHPheKEkw==?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 12:39:35 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets Open on 3rd June
In-Reply-To: <218d91c5-3a07-5ec2-9dca-35b5c0fc552a@bravegnu.org>
References: <218d91c5-3a07-5ec2-9dca-35b5c0fc552a@bravegnu.org>
Message-ID: <CAEM4onMLqpPpitoiN-TO0gOwrMkCy=VG1N9Q3n2_v+HTBdntBg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Vijay, Is there a platform where people can book tickets. I have many
of my friends to invite this year :)

*Regards,*

*Paritoshik Paul | Intelegencia*

*Open Source Team*


* O: +91(120) 415-4796 (India Local) Ext: 2010 Skype ID:
paritoshik.intelegenciahttp://www.intelegencia.com
<http://www.intelegencia.com>*


On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 8:02 AM Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> We are opening the conference tickets on 3rd June, with the ticket slabs
> provided below:
>
>    * Early Bird: Rs. 1100 + GST
>    * Regular: Rs. 1600 + GST
>    * Late Bird: Rs. 2000 + GST
>    * Student Tickets: Rs. 1000 + GST
>    * Contributor Tickets: Rs. 5000 + GST
>
> Regards,
> Vijay
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> Mailing list guidelines :
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Tue Jun  4 03:23:27 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 12:53:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets Open on 3rd June
In-Reply-To: <CAEM4onMLqpPpitoiN-TO0gOwrMkCy=VG1N9Q3n2_v+HTBdntBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <218d91c5-3a07-5ec2-9dca-35b5c0fc552a@bravegnu.org>
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On Tuesday 04 June 2019 12:39 PM, P????????? P??? wrote:

> Hello Vijay, Is there a platform where people can book tickets. I have 
> many of my friends to invite this year :)

In case you have missed it, the link to book tickets is on the website. 
Please visit https://in.pycon.org/

If you don't see the ticket links, try reloading the website, you are 
probably seeing the cached version.

Regards,
Vijay


From shivani.27.saini at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 01:31:31 2019
From: shivani.27.saini at gmail.com (Shivani Saini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 11:01:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets Open on 3rd June
In-Reply-To: <6541b76b-4673-f2b0-cace-83d7170fa7da@bravegnu.org>
References: <218d91c5-3a07-5ec2-9dca-35b5c0fc552a@bravegnu.org>
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What will be the proposed fees of workshop?

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 1:13 PM Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org wrote:

> On Tuesday 04 June 2019 12:39 PM, P????????? P??? wrote:
>
> > Hello Vijay, Is there a platform where people can book tickets. I have
> > many of my friends to invite this year :)
>
> In case you have missed it, the link to book tickets is on the website.
> Please visit https://in.pycon.org/
>
> If you don't see the ticket links, try reloading the website, you are
> probably seeing the cached version.
>
> Regards,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> Mailing list guidelines :
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Wed Jun  5 04:46:57 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:16:57 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets Open on 3rd June
In-Reply-To: <CALWaucQZJYVvN8U5tHLsVdySvzH0iKM2eoFhAbQGnx7JrPWHDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <218d91c5-3a07-5ec2-9dca-35b5c0fc552a@bravegnu.org>
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On Wednesday 05 June 2019 11:01 AM, Shivani Saini wrote:

> What will be the proposed fees of workshop?

The workshop tickets are tentatively priced at Rs. 700.

Regards,
Vijay

From sharma1725 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 05:11:16 2019
From: sharma1725 at gmail.com (Deepak sharma)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:41:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets Open on 3rd June
In-Reply-To: <dbdbe4dc-72cc-25e7-6583-2da447c7d836@bravegnu.org>
References: <218d91c5-3a07-5ec2-9dca-35b5c0fc552a@bravegnu.org>
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Are they open for sale..? If not, when will they available?

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:36 PM Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 05 June 2019 11:01 AM, Shivani Saini wrote:
>
> > What will be the proposed fees of workshop?
>
> The workshop tickets are tentatively priced at Rs. 700.
>
> Regards,
> Vijay
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> Mailing list guidelines :
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Wed Jun  5 05:35:50 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:05:50 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets Open on 3rd June
In-Reply-To: <CAMS-EDm6MWjYtxgz-PiNwsv5j8MEE3dtj_UKoeNNkA2kNGku+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <218d91c5-3a07-5ec2-9dca-35b5c0fc552a@bravegnu.org>
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On Wednesday 05 June 2019 02:41 PM, Deepak sharma wrote:

> Are they open for sale..? If not, when will they available?

Tickets for workshops and devsprints will open when the corresponding 
schedule becomes available. If you have purchased a ticket, you will get 
notified when that happens.

Regards,
Vijay

From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Thu Jun  6 06:33:16 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 16:03:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Poster CFP is Open!
Message-ID: <ebba8b86-a7b4-d481-6146-fab67b33b826@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
The CFP for posters is open!

Posters are graphical summary of projects or ideas. They are usually 
presented with an A0 size poster, but any creative ways are always 
welcome. The poster session provides an opportunity to network with the 
conference attendees and acts as a starting point for further 
discussions. While talks generally needs to appeal to a wide section of 
the community, posters can cover niche topics.

PyCon India 2019 will be having a poster presentation session at post 
lunch, day 1. During the poster presentation session you will be 
provided with a poster board that can hold an A0 size poster, and a 
table to place your laptop, for demos. Conference attendees interested 
in your topic, will stop by, during which you can give them a brief 
presentation / demo.

To submit your proposal and for more details visit 
https://in.pycon.org/cfp/posters-2019/proposals/

Regards,
Vijay

From jace at pobox.com  Wed Jun 12 01:53:38 2019
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 11:23:38 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets are Live!
In-Reply-To: <CALre89mfJJD7n_2U89gHjVQo0MRYB0Qnah173F1s7hdmOHLvog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ea51b1db-97e8-38a3-fc81-f6fef3a80292@bravegnu.org>
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On Tue, 4 Jun, 2019, 11:12 satyakam goswami, <satyaakam at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> read https://in.pycon.org/2019/faq.html for transfer or refund policy
>

The page is inconsistent. One of the following is wrong.

Kiran


Q. There is a change in my plan so I can?t attend the conference. Can I get
a refund?

Conference tickets cannot be cancelled, but instead can be transferred. The
procedure to do so, will be updated shortly.

Q. I have bought the ticket for the morning workshop but I want to attend
evening workshop can I do that?

Please cancel the ticket and re-register. You will just incur the charges
of the ticketing platform.

>
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Wed Jun 12 04:04:10 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:34:10 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Tickets are Live!
In-Reply-To: <CAFhXvyFGoO5PkLFgKeMqOoi647HVv8OcH3zu8MogDwJGM-ctpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ea51b1db-97e8-38a3-fc81-f6fef3a80292@bravegnu.org>
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On Wednesday 12 June 2019 11:23 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jun, 2019, 11:12 satyakam goswami, <satyaakam at gmail.com 
> <mailto:satyaakam at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     read https://in.pycon.org/2019/faq.html for transfer or refund policy
>
>
> The page is inconsistent. One of the following is wrong.

Hi Kiran,
Actually, the first one refers to the conference ticket and the second 
one refers to the workshop ticket. So the conference ticket cannot be 
cancelled, but the workshop ticket can be cancelled.

Will re-word it to make it clearer.

>
> Q. There is a change in my plan so I can?t attend the conference. Can 
> I get a refund?
>
> Conference tickets cannot be cancelled, but instead can be 
> transferred. The procedure to do so, will be updated shortly.
>
> Q. I have bought the ticket for the morning workshop but I want to 
> attend evening workshop can I do that?
>
> Please cancel the ticket and re-register. You will just incur the 
> charges of the ticketing platform.
>
>

Regards,
Vijay

From zerothabhishek at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 11:15:56 2019
From: zerothabhishek at gmail.com (Abhishek Yadav)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:45:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Votes disabled on CFP website
Message-ID: <CAC-WG35Fm9giMQtKZdZWeeLcj5ojmqqFKAu-ygnA=mzMzxx0JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello friends,

We have disabled voting on proposals in the CFP website recently. And a
public view of comments has also been turned off.

We did this because quite a few people on Twitter pointed out [1] that this
discourages new speakers from participating. We also agreed with the
sentiment. Voting was anyway not of much use - we were planning not to use
it in determining the outcomes.

Let us know you thoughts on this.
Regards,
Abhishek

[1]: https://twitter.com/Captain_Joannah/status/1134844061188284417
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 11:37:17 2019
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:07:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Votes disabled on CFP website
In-Reply-To: <CAC-WG35Fm9giMQtKZdZWeeLcj5ojmqqFKAu-ygnA=mzMzxx0JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-WG35Fm9giMQtKZdZWeeLcj5ojmqqFKAu-ygnA=mzMzxx0JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAzeMbz0fwTx7f_i3R+CUeEp_1X+E0DBNs-4OhadxGby-9BVFw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:46 PM Abhishek Yadav <zerothabhishek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello friends,
>
> We have disabled voting on proposals in the CFP website recently. And a public view of comments has also been turned off.
>
> We did this because quite a few people on Twitter pointed out [1] that this discourages new speakers from participating. We also agreed with the sentiment. Voting was anyway not of much use - we were planning not to use it in determining the outcomes.
>
A very nice step. Thank you.

Kushal
-- 
Public Interest Technologist, Freedom of the Press Foundation
CPython Core Developer
Director, Python Software Foundation
https://kushaldas.in

From guptautkarsh2102 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 11:40:37 2019
From: guptautkarsh2102 at gmail.com (Utkarsh Gupta)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:10:37 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Votes disabled on CFP website
In-Reply-To: <CAC-WG35Fm9giMQtKZdZWeeLcj5ojmqqFKAu-ygnA=mzMzxx0JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-WG35Fm9giMQtKZdZWeeLcj5ojmqqFKAu-ygnA=mzMzxx0JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f382afa-671e-39ce-1d3b-c6530a3a1c53@gmail.com>

Hey,

On 13/06/19 8:45 pm, Abhishek Yadav wrote:
> Hello friends,
>
> We have disabled voting on proposals in the CFP website recently. And
> a public view of comments has also been turned off.

Ah, finally! Thank you for doing that.

> We did this because quite a few people on Twitter pointed out [1] that
> this discourages new speakers from participating. We also agreed with
> the sentiment. Voting was anyway not of much use - we were planning
> not to use it in determining the outcomes.



Best,
Utkarsh


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From zerothabhishek at gmail.com  Sat Jun 15 01:02:53 2019
From: zerothabhishek at gmail.com (Abhishek Yadav)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:32:53 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Inviting nominations for CFP reviewers
Message-ID: <CAC-WG37RgBZN+AwZT7o2fRCj2iomz=+MUVEipaAsHcbs=pYsJA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello friends,

We need help with setting up a review panel for CFP evaluation. We have
reached out to a few experts already, and it will great if you too can
pitch in with suggestions.

CFP reviewers shall be doing a technical review of the submitted talks, and
will also be voting on them. The final list will be based on the aggregate
of these votes.

Any person with experience in one of the areas of Python usage (Machine
Learning, Core-Python, Embedded Systems, Web development etc) will be a
good reviewer. Involvement with the Indian Python community will also be
good. We have listed out our expectations in more detail here -
https://github.com/pythonindia/junction/wiki/CFP-Reviewer.

You can use the following form to nominate a reviewer:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/18SG3jgAwyCcbZZdN-HLIWulk0XlzD5DPtz3bEDiz5K0/edit

Please limit nominations people who you know personally, who you can vouch
for. You can nominate yourself too.

Let us know if you have any questions or suggestions.
Regards,
Abhishek
CFP Workgroup, PyCon India 2019
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Sun Jun 16 04:13:58 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:43:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [RFC] Abolish QA Time
Message-ID: <619dd544-623f-2fea-2e88-ca4bdce50028@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,

Talks at the conference are generally followed by a QA time. 
Unfortunately this not used correctly and many questions generally fall 
into the following categories.

  * Questions related to a specific project that questioner is working
    on. And the usual response is "it depends", "I have not used that
    framework", "need to know more about your project", etc.
  * Questions are sometimes completely off-topic, because the questioner
    did not understand what the speaker is talking about.
  * Questions that can be easily figured out from the related links /
    documentation.
  * "Stump the chump" questions, are asked to just prove that the
    questioner is more knowledge-able than the speaker.
  * Sometimes they hit the other end of the spectrum, and just try to
    score brownie points with an influential speaker.

Sometimes the questions are genuine, and asks about something the 
speaker had missed out. But even with the genuine questions we have 
problems.

  * My observation is that even knowledge-able and experienced speakers
    stumble, because a coherent reply needs to be arrived at in
    real-time, in front of a large crowd.
  * The question, even though genuine might still not be useful for
    everyone in the hall.

Finally, not many people in the audience feel comfortable asking 
questions during the QA time, and hence resort to questions offline.

You can understand the problem better if you watch the last 5 minutes of 
the PyCon India 2018 videos which are available on YouTube.

Overall the QA time generally results in the following

  * Stage time wasted due to not so useful questions, or even if the
    question is genuine, a not so coherent / useful response for all the
    audience.
  * Speakers are also forced to confront "Stump the Chump" questions.
    And not-so-experienced speakers might not be able to handle this well.
  * There is a hidden problem: many potential speakers might not submit
    a proposal because of having to face the QA time

One solution is to abolish the QA time, and instead provide a space at 
the back of the hall where the speakers can be reached after the talk. 
The speakers can then have one-on-one discussions with the people who 
have questions. This anyway needs to be done, we are just pushing the 4 
or 5 questions that will be asked during the QA time to this offline 
discussion, as well. This has been adopted at PyCascades, see 
https://www.papercall.io/pycascades-2019

Please note that the intention of this is not remove the responsibility, 
of taking questions, away from the speaker. It is just to provide a more 
conducive and friendly environment where meaningful and genuine 
discussions can happen.

Please let me know your thoughts on this.

Regards,
Vijay

From pradyunsg at gmail.com  Sun Jun 16 09:35:43 2019
From: pradyunsg at gmail.com (Pradyun Gedam)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 19:05:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [RFC] Abolish QA Time
In-Reply-To: <619dd544-623f-2fea-2e88-ca4bdce50028@bravegnu.org>
References: <619dd544-623f-2fea-2e88-ca4bdce50028@bravegnu.org>
Message-ID: <CAPA-EqtJKq86ezBm_YW=1pgu0Hb+NmngFbfPQWUqz+LYGmShqQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 at 2:27 PM, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:

Please let me know your thoughts on this.


It is important to note why PyCascades removed Q&A -- to "*make it a more
friendly environment for first time and new speakers*.", which is
especially relevant to PyCascades, since it is a single track conference.
PyCascades also goes out of it's way to be welcoming, and has a substantial
effort put into Diversity and Inclusion (they have a Diversity Chair), so
removing a potential area of stress for such speakers is especially
relevant to them. I don't think these points apply to PyCon India, since
the structure of the conference is different and there are a lot of
cultural differences in the audience.

Eric Holscher's has a blog post [1] about a few approaches that are better
than "let anyone in the audience ask a question publicly". I think we
should support the ones that are relevant to us (I think it's all of them
are but I defer to the organizers to decide, since they'll have to do the
prep for them).

As another data point, PyCon US 2019 provided options for speakers to
choose from, 5 minutes prior to their talk (No Q&A, 5 minutes Q&A, book a
room after talk for Q&A). They received feedback that this is good
information to have, and that it should be communicated earlier to the
speakers (i.e. when accepted / when applying).

So, I think a good approach for PyCon India here would be to:

- Provide multiple options to all speakers (none, open space for
discussion, curated questions, questions during talk etc)
- Properly communicate that Q & A is optional and what forms it can take,
to speakers.
  - Add this as a part of CFP so that potential speakers know about their
options (too late this year but is a good enhancement next year).
  - Confirm the preference with accepted speakers when they receive their
acceptance, and prior to their talk as well.
- Have printed papers for volunteers containing instructions for volunteers
to follow/do (about handling Q&A)
  - This should really be for all things in the session.

[1]: https://www.ericholscher.com/blog/2016/nov/12/questions-at-conferences/


Best,
Pradyun
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Sun Jun 16 10:17:54 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 19:47:54 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [RFC] Abolish QA Time
In-Reply-To: <CAPA-EqtJKq86ezBm_YW=1pgu0Hb+NmngFbfPQWUqz+LYGmShqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619dd544-623f-2fea-2e88-ca4bdce50028@bravegnu.org>
 <CAPA-EqtJKq86ezBm_YW=1pgu0Hb+NmngFbfPQWUqz+LYGmShqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1f4b5565-f1d3-8c4d-3325-1fe9de079439@bravegnu.org>

On Sunday 16 June 2019 07:05 PM, Pradyun Gedam wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 at 2:27 PM, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org 
> <mailto:vijaykumar at bravegnu.org>> wrote:
>
>     Please let me know your thoughts on this.
>
> It is important to note why PyCascades removed Q&A -- to "/make it a 
> more friendly environment for first time and new speakers/.", which is 
> especially relevant to PyCascades, since it is a single track 
> conference. PyCascades also goes out of it's way to be welcoming, and 
> has a substantial effort put into Diversity and Inclusion (they have a 
> Diversity Chair), so removing a potential area of stress for such 
> speakers is especially relevant to them. I don't think these points 
> apply to PyCon India, since the structure of the conference is 
> different and there are a lot of cultural differences in the audience.

This actually applies to PyCon India, as well. Diversity and inclusion 
is a key part of our efforts too. We also have a Diversity workgroup 
that is putting in efforts to bring in speakers and participation from 
under-represented groups.

> Eric Holscher's has a blog post [1] about a few approaches that are 
> better than "let anyone in the audience ask a question publicly". I 
> think we should support the ones that are relevant to us (I think it's 
> all of them are but I defer to the organizers to decide, since they'll 
> have to do the prep for them).

Thanks for this link. The experience of other conference organizers is 
surely helpful. I think the moderated questions is a good idea. And I 
would personally prefer the low tech cards approach, over the Slack / IRC.

> As another data point, PyCon US 2019 provided options for speakers to 
> choose from, 5 minutes prior to their talk (No Q&A, 5 minutes Q&A, 
> book a room after talk for Q&A). They received feedback that this is 
> good information to have, and that it should be communicated earlier 
> to the speakers (i.e. when accepted / when applying).

This was another option, I was thinking about, as well. On a lighter 
note, PyCon India speakers have always had this option, by overrunning 
their time-slot, and ending up with no time for QA. :-)

Regards,
Vijay

From sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com  Sun Jun 16 10:35:42 2019
From: sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com (Sharmila Gopirajan)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 20:05:42 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [RFC] Abolish QA Time
In-Reply-To: <CAPA-EqtJKq86ezBm_YW=1pgu0Hb+NmngFbfPQWUqz+LYGmShqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619dd544-623f-2fea-2e88-ca4bdce50028@bravegnu.org>
 <CAPA-EqtJKq86ezBm_YW=1pgu0Hb+NmngFbfPQWUqz+LYGmShqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGzTpAA-5ij7MtjRnUBW7czDBT5cP5v3HwUn3c_U7OeYhVD-gA@mail.gmail.com>

Another issue that I see with on stage Q&A is the time pressure to answer
immediately. Yet, One of the advantages of on stage Q&A is, when there
really is a good question, everyone benefits.

If we have an online forum or mailing list for attendees, we could give the
speaker the option of an AMA post conference where all attendees could
participate.

Regards,
Sharmi

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 7:07 PM Pradyun Gedam <pradyunsg at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 at 2:27 PM, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org>
> wrote:
>
> Please let me know your thoughts on this.
>
>
> It is important to note why PyCascades removed Q&A -- to "*make it a more
> friendly environment for first time and new speakers*.", which is
> especially relevant to PyCascades, since it is a single track conference.
> PyCascades also goes out of it's way to be welcoming, and has a substantial
> effort put into Diversity and Inclusion (they have a Diversity Chair), so
> removing a potential area of stress for such speakers is especially
> relevant to them. I don't think these points apply to PyCon India, since
> the structure of the conference is different and there are a lot of
> cultural differences in the audience.
>
> Eric Holscher's has a blog post [1] about a few approaches that are
> better than "let anyone in the audience ask a question publicly". I think
> we should support the ones that are relevant to us (I think it's all of
> them are but I defer to the organizers to decide, since they'll have to do
> the prep for them).
>
> As another data point, PyCon US 2019 provided options for speakers to
> choose from, 5 minutes prior to their talk (No Q&A, 5 minutes Q&A, book a
> room after talk for Q&A). They received feedback that this is good
> information to have, and that it should be communicated earlier to the
> speakers (i.e. when accepted / when applying).
>
> So, I think a good approach for PyCon India here would be to:
>
> - Provide multiple options to all speakers (none, open space for
> discussion, curated questions, questions during talk etc)
> - Properly communicate that Q & A is optional and what forms it can take,
> to speakers.
>   - Add this as a part of CFP so that potential speakers know about their
> options (too late this year but is a good enhancement next year).
>   - Confirm the preference with accepted speakers when they receive their
> acceptance, and prior to their talk as well.
> - Have printed papers for volunteers containing instructions for
> volunteers to follow/do (about handling Q&A)
>   - This should really be for all things in the session.
>
> [1]:
> https://www.ericholscher.com/blog/2016/nov/12/questions-at-conferences/
>
>
> Best,
> Pradyun
>
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> Mailing list guidelines :
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf
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From pradyunsg at gmail.com  Sun Jun 16 14:57:21 2019
From: pradyunsg at gmail.com (Pradyun Gedam)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 00:27:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [RFC] Abolish QA Time
In-Reply-To: <1f4b5565-f1d3-8c4d-3325-1fe9de079439@bravegnu.org>
References: <619dd544-623f-2fea-2e88-ca4bdce50028@bravegnu.org>
 <CAPA-EqtJKq86ezBm_YW=1pgu0Hb+NmngFbfPQWUqz+LYGmShqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1f4b5565-f1d3-8c4d-3325-1fe9de079439@bravegnu.org>
Message-ID: <CAPA-EqtY+tCH4nHin8YJA+DmCZFbNSFFb9uw7722TVZJfAaZww@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 at 8:05 PM, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:

> On Sunday 16 June 2019 07:05 PM, Pradyun Gedam wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 at 2:27 PM, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org
> > <mailto:vijaykumar at bravegnu.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     Please let me know your thoughts on this.
> >
> > It is important to note why PyCascades removed Q&A -- to "/make it a
> > more friendly environment for first time and new speakers/.", which is
> > especially relevant to PyCascades, since it is a single track
> > conference. PyCascades also goes out of it's way to be welcoming, and
> > has a substantial effort put into Diversity and Inclusion (they have a
> > Diversity Chair), so removing a potential area of stress for such
> > speakers is especially relevant to them. I don't think these points
> > apply to PyCon India, since the structure of the conference is
> > different and there are a lot of cultural differences in the audience.
>
> This actually applies to PyCon India, as well. Diversity and inclusion
> is a key part of our efforts too. We also have a Diversity workgroup
> that is putting in efforts to bring in speakers and participation from
> under-represented groups.


Indeed, I wasn't implying that there are no diversity and inclusion efforts
at PyCon India or that they aren't a positive influence on the conference.
I do think scopes of the D&I efforts are different since there are
substantial cultural differences in the audiences of the conference.

I also mentioned that PyCascades is a single track conference, which is
likely more relevant anyway.

> Eric Holscher's has a blog post [1] about a few approaches that are
> > better than "let anyone in the audience ask a question publicly". I
> > think we should support the ones that are relevant to us (I think it's
> > all of them are but I defer to the organizers to decide, since they'll
> > have to do the prep for them).
>
> Thanks for this link. The experience of other conference organizers is
> surely helpful. I think the moderated questions is a good idea. And I
> would personally prefer the low tech cards approach, over the Slack / IRC.
>
> > As another data point, PyCon US 2019 provided options for speakers to
> > choose from, 5 minutes prior to their talk (No Q&A, 5 minutes Q&A,
> > book a room after talk for Q&A). They received feedback that this is
> > good information to have, and that it should be communicated earlier
> > to the speakers (i.e. when accepted / when applying).
>
> This was another option, I was thinking about, as well. On a lighter
> note, PyCon India speakers have always had this option, by overrunning
> their time-slot, and ending up with no time for QA. :-)


The important part here is actively telling the speakers that they have
this option. ;)

Best,
Pradyun (on mobile)


>
> Regards,
> Vijay
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Sun Jun 16 23:39:02 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 09:09:02 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] CFP Closes in 15 Days
Message-ID: <aaffae1b-35c8-fcf7-7f38-c991e875e8ff@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
Call for talk and workshop proposals is closing in 15 days. Please 
submit your proposal at the earliest at 
https://in.pycon.org/2019/submit-a-proposal.html

Regards,
Vijay

From gmail at yudocaa.in  Mon Jun 17 04:29:27 2019
From: gmail at yudocaa.in (Sayan Chowdhury)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:59:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [RFC] Abolish QA Time
In-Reply-To: <CAGzTpAA-5ij7MtjRnUBW7czDBT5cP5v3HwUn3c_U7OeYhVD-gA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619dd544-623f-2fea-2e88-ca4bdce50028@bravegnu.org>
 <CAPA-EqtJKq86ezBm_YW=1pgu0Hb+NmngFbfPQWUqz+LYGmShqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGzTpAA-5ij7MtjRnUBW7czDBT5cP5v3HwUn3c_U7OeYhVD-gA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL8DNLWL=2v2dwxiFNxQWUv9DZLj7+U56avNVrqRT84OuwzJEA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 8:06 PM Sharmila Gopirajan
<sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Another issue that I see with on stage Q&A is the time pressure to answer immediately. Yet, One of the advantages of on stage Q&A is, when there really is a good question, everyone benefits.

This is where we can do some training sessions with the first-time
speakers or speakers with relatively less experience. I know it adds
the overhead but mentoring speakers always gives good results.


>
> If we have an online forum or mailing list for attendees, we could give the speaker the option of an AMA post conference where all attendees could participate.

This is my opinion, but people get busy with their own life after the
conference and I don't think post conference AMA would help.

-- 
Sayan Chowdhury <https://words.yudocaa.in/>
GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13  AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B

From soumendra.s at outlook.com  Tue Jun 18 02:26:42 2019
From: soumendra.s at outlook.com (Soumendra Kumar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 06:26:42 +0000
Subject: [Inpycon] Inviting nominations for CFP reviewers
In-Reply-To: <CAC-WG37RgBZN+AwZT7o2fRCj2iomz=+MUVEipaAsHcbs=pYsJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-WG37RgBZN+AwZT7o2fRCj2iomz=+MUVEipaAsHcbs=pYsJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB40759C829090418C126A4F11F9EA0@DM6PR02MB4075.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Abhishek,

Any deadline by which the CFP reviewers will be notified if they have been selected?

Regards,
Soumendra

________________________________
From: Inpycon <inpycon-bounces+soumendra.s=outlook.com at python.org> on behalf of Abhishek Yadav <zerothabhishek at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 10:32 AM
To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference
Subject: [Inpycon] Inviting nominations for CFP reviewers

Hello friends,

We need help with setting up a review panel for CFP evaluation. We have reached out to a few experts already, and it will great if you too can pitch in with suggestions.

CFP reviewers shall be doing a technical review of the submitted talks, and will also be voting on them. The final list will be based on the aggregate of these votes.

Any person with experience in one of the areas of Python usage (Machine Learning, Core-Python, Embedded Systems, Web development etc) will be a good reviewer. Involvement with the Indian Python community will also be good. We have listed out our expectations in more detail here - https://github.com/pythonindia/junction/wiki/CFP-Reviewer.

You can use the following form to nominate a reviewer:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/18SG3jgAwyCcbZZdN-HLIWulk0XlzD5DPtz3bEDiz5K0/edit

Please limit nominations people who you know personally, who you can vouch for. You can nominate yourself too.

Let us know if you have any questions or suggestions.
Regards,
Abhishek
CFP Workgroup, PyCon India 2019

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From zerothabhishek at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 07:51:37 2019
From: zerothabhishek at gmail.com (Abhishek Yadav)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:21:37 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Inviting nominations for CFP reviewers
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR02MB40759C829090418C126A4F11F9EA0@DM6PR02MB4075.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAC-WG37RgBZN+AwZT7o2fRCj2iomz=+MUVEipaAsHcbs=pYsJA@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR02MB40759C829090418C126A4F11F9EA0@DM6PR02MB4075.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAC-WG36A+=qXNJApo8GEu5M6BiZPY2V4oayHpvJ8uAxCdSqbnA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Saumendra,
We'll be inviting everyone before the end of this month, probably over the
coming weekend.
The form will remain open for some time after that too.

Regards,
Abhishek

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM Soumendra Kumar <soumendra.s at outlook.com>
wrote:

> Hi Abhishek,
>
> Any deadline by which the CFP reviewers will be notified if they have been
> selected?
>
> Regards,
> Soumendra
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Inpycon <inpycon-bounces+soumendra.s=outlook.com at python.org> on
> behalf of Abhishek Yadav <zerothabhishek at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2019 10:32 AM
> *To:* Mailing list for the PyCon India conference
> *Subject:* [Inpycon] Inviting nominations for CFP reviewers
>
> Hello friends,
>
> We need help with setting up a review panel for CFP evaluation. We have
> reached out to a few experts already, and it will great if you too can
> pitch in with suggestions.
>
> CFP reviewers shall be doing a technical review of the submitted talks,
> and will also be voting on them. The final list will be based on the
> aggregate of these votes.
>
> Any person with experience in one of the areas of Python usage (Machine
> Learning, Core-Python, Embedded Systems, Web development etc) will be a
> good reviewer. Involvement with the Indian Python community will also be
> good. We have listed out our expectations in more detail here -
> https://github.com/pythonindia/junction/wiki/CFP-Reviewer.
>
> You can use the following form to nominate a reviewer:
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/18SG3jgAwyCcbZZdN-HLIWulk0XlzD5DPtz3bEDiz5K0/edit
>
> Please limit nominations people who you know personally, who you can vouch
> for. You can nominate yourself too.
>
> Let us know if you have any questions or suggestions.
> Regards,
> Abhishek
> CFP Workgroup, PyCon India 2019
>
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Tue Jun 25 00:19:13 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 09:49:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Reminder: PyCon India CFP Closes in 7 Days
Message-ID: <ca62477c-329c-8260-04d5-b251eb1c3684@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
PyCon India CFP for talks and workshops is closing in 7 days! Hurry up, 
and submit your proposal at https://in.pycon.org/2019/submit-a-proposal.html

For more details about PyCon India, please visit: https://in.pycon.org/

Regards,
Vijay


From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Wed Jun 26 02:41:40 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:11:40 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Conference Ticket Update
Message-ID: <b5b256dc-9cc3-186f-11a4-97051a829fae@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
This is a quick update on the conference tickets. Late Bird tickets are 
open, and there are only 150 tickets left.

Regards,
Vijay

From ap2205 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 23:07:34 2019
From: ap2205 at gmail.com (Aditi Prakash)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:37:34 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Chat platform-Zulip for Pycon
Message-ID: <CAMcnhFjsjLm6_NB0Dbcw5qY4wx2gg-hHXfAv44ySATdJ4wO8Ow@mail.gmail.com>

This year for PyCon India, we are planning to have a forum setup for
attendees to interact. We are considering Zulip, an open-source chat
platform similar to slack. Currently there's only PyCon India mailing list
but this includes the organizers and not the attendees. The reason for
having this in-place is to connect attendees and we believe it'll be
especially useful when planning commute by pooling, accommodation, etc.

Zulip allows users to create channels and have topics within channels, for
example: "On Road Bangalore" could be a topic under #travel channel. Easy
search, better organization of channels and topics. Further, new users can
read history and the chat limit is not as bad as Slack.

Additionally, we are planning to create a separate channel specifically for
women attendees which is sort like community support amongst women.

We will also include a channel for announcements that will be linked to
PyCon India Twitter account.

Any thoughts/suggestions on this are welcome!
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From satyaakam at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 00:50:36 2019
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyakam goswami)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:20:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Chat platform-Zulip for Pycon
In-Reply-To: <CAMcnhFjsjLm6_NB0Dbcw5qY4wx2gg-hHXfAv44ySATdJ4wO8Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMcnhFjsjLm6_NB0Dbcw5qY4wx2gg-hHXfAv44ySATdJ4wO8Ow@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:39 AM Aditi Prakash <ap2205 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This year for PyCon India, we are planning to have a forum setup for
> attendees to interact. We are considering Zulip, an open-source chat
> platform similar to slack. Currently there's only PyCon India mailing list
> but this includes the organizers and not the attendees.
>

Correction PyCon India mailing list includes  everyone both  organizers and
attendees .



> The reason for having this in-place is to connect attendees and we believe
> it'll be especially useful when planning commute by pooling, accommodation,
> etc.
>

last year there was a  Slack channel , and before that irc channel on
freenode #python-india , its ok to create one more on Zulip


Zulip allows users to create channels and have topics within channels, for
> example: "On Road Bangalore" could be a topic under #travel channel. Easy
> search, better organization of channels and topics. Further, new users can
> read history and the chat limit is not as bad as Slack.
>
> Additionally, we are planning to create a separate channel specifically
> for women attendees which is sort like community support amongst women.
>
> We will also include a channel for announcements that will be linked to
> PyCon India Twitter account.
>

Yes +1 for all the above

thanks,
-Satya
Satyakam.dev <http://satyakam.dev/> | afrost.org | fossevents.in
<http://www.fossevents.in/>
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Thu Jun 27 01:10:07 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:40:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Chat platform-Zulip for Pycon
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On Thursday 27 June 2019 10:20 AM, satyakam goswami wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:39 AM Aditi Prakash <ap2205 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:ap2205 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     This year for PyCon India, we are planning to have a forum setup
>     for attendees to interact. We are considering Zulip, an
>     open-source chat platform similar to slack. Currently there's only
>     PyCon India mailing list but this includes the organizers and not
>     the attendees.
>
>
> Correction PyCon India mailing list includes  everyone both  
> organizers and attendees.

That's not what the list descriptions says though: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon

>     The reason for having this in-place is to connect attendees and we
>     believe it'll be especially useful when planning commute by
>     pooling, accommodation, etc.
>
>
> last year there was a  Slack channel , and before that irc channel on 
> freenode #python-india , its ok to create one more on Zulip

This will be specifically for people who are attending PyCon India 2019. 
And I guess it was the same with last year as well.

Regards,
Vijay
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From gmail at yudocaa.in  Thu Jun 27 02:05:46 2019
From: gmail at yudocaa.in (Sayan Chowdhury)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:35:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Chat platform-Zulip for Pycon
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:38 AM Aditi Prakash <ap2205 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This year for PyCon India, we are planning to have a forum setup for attendees to interact. We are considering Zulip, an open-source chat platform similar to slack. Currently there's only PyCon India mailing list but this includes the organizers and not the attendees. The reason for having this in-place is to connect attendees and we believe it'll be especially useful when planning commute by pooling, accommodation, etc.
>
> Zulip allows users to create channels and have topics within channels, for example: "On Road Bangalore" could be a topic under #travel channel. Easy search, better organization of channels and topics. Further, new users can read history and the chat limit is not as bad as Slack.
>
> Additionally, we are planning to create a separate channel specifically for women attendees which is sort like community support amongst women.
>
> We will also include a channel for announcements that will be linked to PyCon India Twitter account.

I'm a huge fan of the Zulip project, but I would be suggest to
continue using the the previously used communication channels be it
for organizers or attendees. Over the last few years, we have moved
from IRC, to Telegram, to Discord, and now Zulip. It's better to stick
to one and keep using it. As a user of Discord, I still keep getting
notifications from the PyCon India 2018 #github-updates channel.

I would propose to that we keep continue using Discord and utilize the
setup that was done last year. If we plan to move to Zulip, then it's
better that we make it the de-facto channel for communication, (maybe
put it in the PyCon India handbook, if it's still something that is
updated regularly)



-- 
Sayan Chowdhury <https://words.yudocaa.in/>
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From anirudhastark at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 03:53:44 2019
From: anirudhastark at gmail.com (Kumar Anirudha)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:23:44 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Chat platform-Zulip for Pycon
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 11:36, Sayan Chowdhury <gmail at yudocaa.in> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:38 AM Aditi Prakash <ap2205 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This year for PyCon India, we are planning to have a forum setup for
> attendees to interact. We are considering Zulip, an open-source chat
> platform similar to slack. Currently there's only PyCon India mailing list
> but this includes the organizers and not the attendees. The reason for
> having this in-place is to connect attendees and we believe it'll be
> especially useful when planning commute by pooling, accommodation, etc.
> >
> > Zulip allows users to create channels and have topics within channels,
> for example: "On Road Bangalore" could be a topic under #travel channel.
> Easy search, better organization of channels and topics. Further, new users
> can read history and the chat limit is not as bad as Slack.
> >
> > Additionally, we are planning to create a separate channel specifically
> for women attendees which is sort like community support amongst women.
> >
> > We will also include a channel for announcements that will be linked to
> PyCon India Twitter account.
>
> I'm a huge fan of the Zulip project, but I would be suggest to
> continue using the the previously used communication channels be it
> for organizers or attendees. Over the last few years, we have moved
> from IRC, to Telegram, to Discord, and now Zulip. It's better to stick
> to one and keep using it. As a user of Discord, I still keep getting
> notifications from the PyCon India 2018 #github-updates channel.
>
> I would propose to that we keep continue using Discord and utilize the
> setup that was done last year. If we plan to move to Zulip, then it's
> better that we make it the de-facto channel for communication, (maybe
> put it in the PyCon India handbook, if it's still something that is
> updated regularly)
>
>
+1 for sticking with discord. There can be separate channel for 2019
attendees specifically if needed.


>
>
> --
> Sayan Chowdhury <https://words.yudocaa.in/>
> GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13  AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> Mailing list guidelines :
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf



Cheers,
Kumar Anirudha
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From sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 04:07:13 2019
From: sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com (Sharmila Gopirajan)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:37:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Chat platform-Zulip for Pycon
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I agree that sticking with an already used option is better than investing
in a new one.

We were debating between Slack (which encourages conversation but the
possibility of recovering a particular conversation after elapse of a
significant period is very low) and a StackOverflow like setup (Topic
based, high quality conversations, highly searchable but might not be
everyone's cup of tea).

One of the reasons for choosing Zulip was that it struck a nice middle
ground with chat rooms and topic based conversations and good searchability.

How does Discord fair regarding that?

Regards,
Sharmi

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 1:24 PM Kumar Anirudha <anirudhastark at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 11:36, Sayan Chowdhury <gmail at yudocaa.in> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:38 AM Aditi Prakash <ap2205 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > This year for PyCon India, we are planning to have a forum setup for
>> attendees to interact. We are considering Zulip, an open-source chat
>> platform similar to slack. Currently there's only PyCon India mailing list
>> but this includes the organizers and not the attendees. The reason for
>> having this in-place is to connect attendees and we believe it'll be
>> especially useful when planning commute by pooling, accommodation, etc.
>> >
>> > Zulip allows users to create channels and have topics within channels,
>> for example: "On Road Bangalore" could be a topic under #travel channel.
>> Easy search, better organization of channels and topics. Further, new users
>> can read history and the chat limit is not as bad as Slack.
>> >
>> > Additionally, we are planning to create a separate channel specifically
>> for women attendees which is sort like community support amongst women.
>> >
>> > We will also include a channel for announcements that will be linked to
>> PyCon India Twitter account.
>>
>> I'm a huge fan of the Zulip project, but I would be suggest to
>> continue using the the previously used communication channels be it
>> for organizers or attendees. Over the last few years, we have moved
>> from IRC, to Telegram, to Discord, and now Zulip. It's better to stick
>> to one and keep using it. As a user of Discord, I still keep getting
>> notifications from the PyCon India 2018 #github-updates channel.
>>
>> I would propose to that we keep continue using Discord and utilize the
>> setup that was done last year. If we plan to move to Zulip, then it's
>> better that we make it the de-facto channel for communication, (maybe
>> put it in the PyCon India handbook, if it's still something that is
>> updated regularly)
>>
>>
> +1 for sticking with discord. There can be separate channel for 2019
> attendees specifically if needed.
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sayan Chowdhury <https://words.yudocaa.in/>
>> GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13  AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B
>> _______________________________________________
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>> Mailing list guidelines :
>> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Kumar Anirudha
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From ananyoevo at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 04:51:37 2019
From: ananyoevo at gmail.com (Ananya Maiti)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:21:37 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Chat platform-Zulip for Pycon
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Hi all,

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 1:38 PM Sharmila Gopirajan
<sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree that sticking with an already used option is better than investing in a new one.
>
> We were debating between Slack (which encourages conversation but the possibility of recovering a particular conversation after elapse of a significant period is very low) and a StackOverflow like setup (Topic based, high quality conversations, highly searchable but might not be everyone's cup of tea).
>
> One of the reasons for choosing Zulip was that it struck a nice middle ground with chat rooms and topic based conversations and good searchability.
>
> How does Discord fair regarding that?
>
Discord doesn't have threaded/topic based conversations. One of the
reason we chose Discord last year was because it is free to use and
has no restrictions on the search history. Zulip/Slack has a limit to
the number of previous messages for their free plans. Though it states
they are free for open source communities you need to check with them
for the same regarding PyCon India. If that works out we can go ahead
with Zulip and make it a common chat platform for the upcoming years
as well.

Thanks,
Ananya

From punchagan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 05:47:48 2019
From: punchagan at gmail.com (Puneeth Chaganti)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:17:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Chat platform-Zulip for Pycon
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Hello!

> Discord doesn't have threaded/topic based conversations. One of the
> reason we chose Discord last year was because it is free to use and
> has no restrictions on the search history. Zulip/Slack has a limit to
> the number of previous messages for their free plans. Though it states
> they are free for open source communities you need to check with them
> for the same regarding PyCon India. If that works out we can go ahead
> with Zulip and make it a common chat platform for the upcoming years
> as well.

I'm an active contributor to the Zulip project (and definitely biased
towards it). I can confirm that they do indeed offer free hosted plans
for Open Source communities. They also provide a full data export, in
case we want to self-host at some point.

Given Zulip's threading model, I feel it can improve the situation of
using a different communication channel each year. I haven't used
discord, but with Slack's threading model, it makes sense to create
different Slack workspaces for each year's event. Getting started with
Zulip can take some getting used to, but the organisation it "forces"
on the participants would allow the same Organisation/Realm (slack
workspace equivalent) to be used year after year, while still being
navigable and non-overwhelming.

- Puneeth

From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Fri Jun 28 00:00:58 2019
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:30:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] CFP Count Down: 3 Days to Go
Message-ID: <610882a8-137f-ae38-f974-27b677f6d391@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
CFP closes in 3 days! Let's put the weekend to good use. Shape up your 
proposal and submit it at https://in.pycon.org/2019/submit-a-proposal.html

Regards,
Vijay