From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 02:51:44 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:21:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2018] Sponsorship Announcement Message-ID: Hi All, The sponsorship for PyCon India 2018 is open[0]. Here is our sponsorship prospectus[1]. Note: We are providing early bird discount on sponsorship till Jan 31st, 2018. In case you need further clarifications, feel free to reach out to us @ sponsorhsip at in.pycon.org. If your organization is interested in sponsoring this year or if you know any organization that uses Python and would be interesetd in sponsoring, please share the details here [2] and help connect to more organizations. Request you to forward this mail to other related groups, organizations, and individuals who can help with sponsorship. [0]: http://bit.ly/sponsorship-announcement [1]: http://bit.ly/sponsorship-prospectus [2]: http://bit.ly/organization-info With Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 01:27:48 2018 From: chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com (chandan kumar) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 11:57:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Need help with content for describing Journey of PyCon India 2018 Message-ID: Hello, Happy New Year, I hope you are doing great. Now it's time to return back to work. We need help with content for the Journey of PyCon India 2018 WebSite Section [1]: The website team has collected some pics for each year to highlight the journey: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1LFcFWW8OqG-i-wInjFhJk580Mt_p0lJz If you have attended any PyCon India from 2009-2017, please put one line tag that describes you about your experience. We will try to summaries and use them in our history section. Please add all the contents here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k5IAji1P8JKp-lEtyLO4710EqIZcdL-_vQkL3k7CzTI/edit?usp=sharing Note: We will be closing the thread by 09th Jan 2018. Links: [1]. https://in.pycon.org/2018/#journey -- Thanks, Chandan Kumar From vani.pree at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 05:10:44 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 15:40:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] [X-Post] [PyCon India 2018] Call for Reviewers Message-ID: Hi All, PyCon India 2018 preparations has started and we are working on Call for Proposals. As every year, we are looking for reviewers to help fine tune the proposals to make the talks and workshops better. We have below list of sections this year and the reviewers must be experts of one or more sections. - Core Python - Data Analytics - Artificial Intelligence - Internet of Things - Web Develpment - Mobile Application Development - Security - Scientific Computing - Network Programming - Game Programming - Infrastructure - Automation - Testing The review of talks and workshops starts as soon as CFP opens and and goes on till the last day of the conference. The task of reviewers include, but are not limited to, proposal review and feedback, help fine tune the proposals, evaluate the knowledge of proposers on the subject matter, talk selection, presentation review and guide proposers to improve presentation skills on need basis. If you are interested to help review the proposals this year or you know some who can help, please submit your nominations here [1] Looking forward to have a great conference this year with better talk quality! 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Links: [1]. https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india-2015.html -- Thanks, Chandan Kumar From ashish.krishan.in at ieee.org Mon Jan 8 04:23:14 2018 From: ashish.krishan.in at ieee.org (Ashish Krishan) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 14:53:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Call for volunteers for PyCon India 2018 Social Media team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I am interested to volunteer for the social media team. On Jan 8, 2018 2:52 PM, "chandan kumar" wrote: > Hello, > > We are looking for volunteers to manage Social Media activities for > PyCon India 2018. > > Tasks Involved: > * Work with all teams to plan and coordinate announcements. > * Share announcements to different Python User group mailing lists > * Handle posts/tweets on PyCon India twitter, Facebook, Linkedin, > Google+ and other social media sites. > > Time Required: 2-4 hours per week (may vary as we move closer to the > conference) > > Here[1] is a nice blog on the commitment required in volunteering PyCon > India. > > Please reply to this thread, if you are interested. > > Links: > [1]. https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india-2015.html > > > -- > Thanks, > > Chandan Kumar > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Siddharth On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ashish Krishan wrote: > Hello, > > I am interested to volunteer for the social media team. > > On Jan 8, 2018 2:52 PM, "chandan kumar" > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> We are looking for volunteers to manage Social Media activities for >> PyCon India 2018. >> >> Tasks Involved: >> * Work with all teams to plan and coordinate announcements. >> * Share announcements to different Python User group mailing lists >> * Handle posts/tweets on PyCon India twitter, Facebook, Linkedin, >> Google+ and other social media sites. >> >> Time Required: 2-4 hours per week (may vary as we move closer to the >> conference) >> >> Here[1] is a nice blog on the commitment required in volunteering PyCon >> India. >> >> Please reply to this thread, if you are interested. >> >> Links: >> [1]. https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india- >> 2015.html >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> >> Chandan Kumar >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lakshmanan.meiyappan at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 04:37:41 2018 From: lakshmanan.meiyappan at gmail.com (Lakshmanan Meiyappan) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:07:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Call for volunteers for PyCon India 2018 Social Media team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings, I'm interested to contribute to PyCon through Social Media Volunteering. Please do add me in the list of Volunteers. I'm also a active member and organizer of several tech communities in my region, I think I can take out the word to my community people effectively. Thanks On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Siddharth Singh wrote: > Hi, > I am interested to volunteer ... > > BR. > Siddharth > > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ashish Krishan > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am interested to volunteer for the social media team. >> >> On Jan 8, 2018 2:52 PM, "chandan kumar" >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> We are looking for volunteers to manage Social Media activities for >>> PyCon India 2018. >>> >>> Tasks Involved: >>> * Work with all teams to plan and coordinate announcements. >>> * Share announcements to different Python User group mailing lists >>> * Handle posts/tweets on PyCon India twitter, Facebook, Linkedin, >>> Google+ and other social media sites. >>> >>> Time Required: 2-4 hours per week (may vary as we move closer to the >>> conference) >>> >>> Here[1] is a nice blog on the commitment required in volunteering PyCon >>> India. >>> >>> Please reply to this thread, if you are interested. >>> >>> Links: >>> [1]. https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india- >>> 2015.html >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chandan Kumar >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Best, Lakshmanan Meiyappan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From deveshverma619 at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 06:17:13 2018 From: deveshverma619 at gmail.com (Devesh Verma) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 11:17:13 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Call for volunteers for PyCon India 2018 Social Media team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am interested in volunteering for PyCon India 2018 On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:26 PM Prajwal Gatti wrote: > I would like to volunteer for this > > Thanks, > Prajwal Gatti > > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 at 3:02 PM, Siddharth Singh > wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am interested to volunteer ... >> >> BR. >> Siddharth >> >> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ashish Krishan < >> ashish.krishan.in at ieee.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am interested to volunteer for the social media team. >>> >>> On Jan 8, 2018 2:52 PM, "chandan kumar" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> We are looking for volunteers to manage Social Media activities for >>>> PyCon India 2018. >>>> >>>> Tasks Involved: >>>> * Work with all teams to plan and coordinate announcements. >>>> * Share announcements to different Python User group mailing lists >>>> * Handle posts/tweets on PyCon India twitter, Facebook, Linkedin, >>>> Google+ and other social media sites. >>>> >>>> Time Required: 2-4 hours per week (may vary as we move closer to the >>>> conference) >>>> >>>> Here[1] is a nice blog on the commitment required in volunteering PyCon >>>> India. >>>> >>>> Please reply to this thread, if you are interested. >>>> >>>> Links: >>>> [1]. >>>> https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india-2015.html >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chandan Kumar >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inpycon mailing list >>>> Inpycon at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards Devesh Verma (deveshverma.me) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a2zshatakshi at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 06:27:14 2018 From: a2zshatakshi at gmail.com (Shatakshi Shukla) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 16:57:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Call for volunteers for PyCon India 2018 Social Media team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87B5369C-2360-4970-B6E3-C86FFE0ECE45@gmail.com> I m interested in volunteering for social media activities Sent from my iPhone > On 08-Jan-2018, at 2:53 PM, Ashish Krishan wrote: > > Hello, > > I am interested to volunteer for the social media team. > >> On Jan 8, 2018 2:52 PM, "chandan kumar" wrote: >> Hello, >> >> We are looking for volunteers to manage Social Media activities for >> PyCon India 2018. >> >> Tasks Involved: >> * Work with all teams to plan and coordinate announcements. >> * Share announcements to different Python User group mailing lists >> * Handle posts/tweets on PyCon India twitter, Facebook, Linkedin, >> Google+ and other social media sites. >> >> Time Required: 2-4 hours per week (may vary as we move closer to the conference) >> >> Here[1] is a nice blog on the commitment required in volunteering PyCon India. >> >> Please reply to this thread, if you are interested. >> >> Links: >> [1]. https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india-2015.html >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> >> Chandan Kumar >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I m interested regards:- Tushar Budhiraja On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:51 PM, chandan kumar wrote: > Hello, > > We are looking for volunteers to manage Social Media activities for > PyCon India 2018. > > Tasks Involved: > * Work with all teams to plan and coordinate announcements. > * Share announcements to different Python User group mailing lists > * Handle posts/tweets on PyCon India twitter, Facebook, Linkedin, > Google+ and other social media sites. > > Time Required: 2-4 hours per week (may vary as we move closer to the > conference) > > Here[1] is a nice blog on the commitment required in volunteering PyCon > India. > > Please reply to this thread, if you are interested. > > Links: > [1]. https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india-2015.html > > > -- > Thanks, > > Chandan Kumar > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Chandan Kumar From aakanksha.jain8 at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 00:17:54 2018 From: aakanksha.jain8 at gmail.com (Aakanksha Jain) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:47:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Call for volunteers for PyCon India 2018 Social Media team Message-ID: Hi, I would like to volunteer for social media team. Aakanksha Jain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mishraprateek197 at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 11:36:34 2018 From: mishraprateek197 at gmail.com (prateek mishra) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:06:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] (no subject) Message-ID: I would like to volunteer in pycon India 2018 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've organized and talked at various events at my college and colleges around my region to promote FOSS, Python and Fedora and have been contributing to the Fedora community for some time now. I hope to keep in touch with the 'Pycon India' community and keep contributing to it's success for the years to come. Cheers, Prakash Mishra. [1] Find me on: Github: https://github.com/prakashmishra1598/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prakash-mishra/ Twitter:https://twitter.com/iamprakash1598 Fedora:https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/prakashmishra1598 Blog: https://prakashwrites.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aakanksha.jain8 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 01:01:08 2018 From: aakanksha.jain8 at gmail.com (Aakanksha Jain) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:31:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2018] Introducing Social Media Team Message-ID: Hi, I'm a student currently in my second year. 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And my contact number is >>> 8951501000. >>> Pls let me know any other info required. >>> >>> >>> BR/ >>> Siddharth >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:44 AM, chandan kumar < >>> chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> Thanks for raising your hand for the tasks. >>>> Tasks Involved: >>>> * Work with all teams to plan and coordinate announcements. >>>> * Share announcements to different Python User group mailing lists >>>> * Handle posts/tweets on PyCon India twitter, Facebook, Linkedin, >>>> Google+ and other social media sites. >>>> >>>> Note: If you are taking a task, it got delayed, feel free to inform us >>>> asap so that we can distribute the tasks. >>>> >>>> Below is the list of volunteers of Social Media Team: >>>> Ashish Krishan >>>> Siva Sai Chandra A >>>> Siddharth Singh >>>> Lakshmanan Meiyappan >>>> Prajwal Gatti >>>> Devesh Verma >>>> Shatakshi Shukla >>>> TUSHAR BUDHIRAJA >>>> >>>> Saptak Sengupta in CC to this email will guide you through the tasks. >>>> >>>> Currently please reply to this email by sharing your phone number and >>>> from where you are currently working. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions, Feel free to shoot out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chandan Kumar >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Regards >> Devesh Verma >> (deveshverma.me) >> > > > > -- > Saptak Sengupta > > *Core Developer at FOSSASIA* > > *Contact No - +91-9748368303* > > *Github | Linkedin > | Facebook > * > ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[0] https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+realslimshanky&type=Commits [1] https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+realslimshanky&type=Issues [2] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/116#issuecomment-357253755 Regards, Shashank Kumar @realslimshanky From benignbala at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:03:57 2018 From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:33:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Shashank Kumar wrote: > I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] > Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and > being an open community. > Wow, that comment makes me feel so bad. The person with github account "vnbang2003" has made this comment "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please stop reviewing it." That's one of the most distasteful comment I have seen on any free/open source repositories. Can the organisers please make it public that code reviews are not Welcome ? When someone has taken time to review the content and provide comments, how can someone even tell not to review/provide comment ? Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar From me at bibhas.in Fri Jan 12 13:05:40 2018 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:35:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12-Jan-2018 11:02 PM, "Shashank Kumar" wrote: Hey folks, I've been volunteering for PyCon India for last 3 years. It has been amazing journey to work with Open Source projects. I recently realized that that Python India community is working a bit differently than other FOSS groups/communities. After years of hard-work in PyCon India, today I got my access removed from the repositories (Please note I didn't voluntarily gave up on it, neither I mis-behaved with anyone nor have I been inactive [0][1]). What I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and being an open community. Can someone please shed some light on the process? May be I'm not aware of it. I'm not sure about the any "process" as there is none in the Readme file and there is no contribution guide either. But this is a really really pathetic comment to make on a PR to an open source software. This is the kind of comment that drives people away from open source contributions. It's unfortunate you had to face this. I really hope it doesn't discourage you to make future contributions to other FOSS projects. [0] https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+realslimshanky&type=Commits [1] https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+realslimshanky&type=Issues [2] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/116#issuecomment-357253755 Regards, Shashank Kumar @realslimshanky _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ankur0493 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:12:58 2018 From: ankur0493 at gmail.com (Ankur Gupta) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:42:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12 Jan 2018 11:34 p.m., "Balachandran Sivakumar" wrote: Hi, On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Shashank Kumar wrote: > I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] > Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and > being an open community. > This is really unfortunate. PyCon India is not about any local python group, and this is something that was outlined during PyCon India 2016 by the same person who has made this comment on the PR. Anyone who wants to volunteer is welcome (or at least this is how it is supposed to be). Wow, that comment makes me feel so bad. The person with github account "vnbang2003" has made this comment "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please stop reviewing it." The volunteering team is everyone who comes forward and contributes in any way. If there is a defined volunteer team for website development, that team is responsible for it, but it can never mean that others can't help if they want to. Also, I don't think there has been a call for volunteers for the website development team, the way it was there for social media. Please let me know if I missed it. Regards, Ankur Gupta That's one of the most distasteful comment I have seen on any free/open source repositories. Can the organisers please make it public that code reviews are not Welcome ? When someone has taken time to review the content and provide comments, how can someone even tell not to review/provide comment ? Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:21:02 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:51:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Shashank Kumar < shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com> wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've been volunteering for PyCon India for last 3 years. It has been > amazing journey to work with Open Source projects. > I recently realized that that Python India community is working a bit > differently than other FOSS groups/communities. > After years of hard-work in PyCon India, today I got my access removed > from the repositories (Please note I didn't voluntarily gave up on it, > neither I mis-behaved with anyone nor have I been inactive [0][1]). What > I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] > Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and > being an open community. > > Can someone please shed some light on the process? May be I'm not aware > of it. > Firstly Thanks for bringing this up. The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were reviewing things without knowing anything about it . Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? Is that open source volunteering? > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:21:10 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:51:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Shashank Kumar wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've been volunteering for PyCon India for last 3 years. It has been > amazing journey to work with Open Source projects. I personally thank you for all the hard-work you've put in these years for making PyCon India a success. > I recently realized that that Python India community is working a bit > differently than other FOSS groups/communities. That is really strange. > After years of hard-work in PyCon India, today I got my access removed > from the repositories (Please note I didn't voluntarily gave up on it, > neither I mis-behaved with anyone nor have I been inactive [0][1]). What > I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] This is really disheartening. I am really sorry that you've to face this kind of thing. We really appreciate your help and all the efforts that you've put in all those years. It is really unfortunate to see that kind of comment in an Open Source project. i hope that won't stop/halt you from contributing. > Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and > being an open community. Everyone is welcome to volunteer. I didn't know of any pre-requisites/ barriers to be *officially* contributing. > Can someone please shed some light on the process? May be I'm not aware > of it. I will defer this to someone else, since right now I'm not very actively involved in PyCon India 2018. On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Ankur Gupta wrote: > > This is really unfortunate. PyCon India is not about any local python group, > and this is something that was outlined during PyCon India 2016 by the same > person who has made this comment on the PR. Anyone who wants to volunteer is > welcome (or at least this is how it is supposed to be). Wow, that seems like *really ironic* to me. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Fri Jan 12 13:34:00 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:04:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Shashank Please don't let one bad experience drive you away from the community at large. On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Shashank Kumar < shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com> wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've been volunteering for PyCon India for last 3 years. It has been > amazing journey to work with Open Source projects. > I recently realized that that Python India community is working a bit > differently than other FOSS groups/communities. > After years of hard-work in PyCon India, today I got my access removed > from the repositories (Please note I didn't voluntarily gave up on it, > neither I mis-behaved with anyone nor have I been inactive [0][1]). What > I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] > Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and > being an open community. > > Can someone please shed some light on the process? May be I'm not aware > of it. > > [0] > https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+ > realslimshanky&type=Commits > [1] > https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+ > realslimshanky&type=Issues > [2] > https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/ > 116#issuecomment-357253755 > > Regards, > Shashank Kumar > @realslimshanky > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:35:18 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:05:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Ankur Gupta wrote: > On 12 Jan 2018 11:34 p.m., "Balachandran Sivakumar" > wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Shashank Kumar > wrote: > > I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] > > Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and > > being an open community. > > > > > This is really unfortunate. PyCon India is not about any local python > group, and this is something that was outlined during PyCon India 2016 by > the same person who has made this comment on the PR. Anyone who wants to > volunteer is welcome (or at least this is how it is supposed to be). > We are working with volunteer from al over India and we will continue to be same . But he was acting like a reviewers without even knowing a bit of discussion. Reviewers is person who know discussion and that why he comments saying LGTM and he approve the Pull request. What should we call this ? > > Wow, that comment makes me feel so bad. The person with github > account "vnbang2003" has made this comment > > "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so > please stop reviewing it." > > > The volunteering team is everyone who comes forward and contributes in any > way. If there is a defined volunteer team for website development, that > team is responsible for it, but it can never mean that others can't help if > they want to. Also, I don't think there has been a call for volunteers for > the website development team, the way it was there for social media. Please > let me know if I missed it. > That was first task for this year . Volunteers are even discussed here : https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2017-November/011362.html Chandan is leading all volunteering management task . There is not thing stoping anyone to contribute . Please take a look at issue link on website and help us. Other are helping in way they can. > Regards, > Ankur Gupta > > > That's one of the most distasteful comment I have seen on any > free/open source repositories. Can the organisers please make it > public that code reviews are not Welcome ? When someone has taken time > to review the content and provide comments, how can someone even tell > not to review/provide comment ? Thanks > > > -- > Thank you > Balachandran Sivakumar > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Shashank Kumar < shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com> wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've been volunteering for PyCon India for last 3 years. It has been > amazing journey to work with Open Source projects. > I recently realized that that Python India community is working a bit > differently than other FOSS groups/communities. > After years of hard-work in PyCon India, today I got my access removed > from the repositories (Please note I didn't voluntarily gave up on it, > neither I mis-behaved with anyone nor have I been inactive [0][1]). What > I did was to simply review a PR. And I got this reply: [2] > Adding to what everyone said, it was a PR which only involved an RST file with a blog entry. Even if he did approve it and merged, no harm was done to any individual or event as a whole. No production broke. No revenue losses. Let's say the person did not have info about the correct dates. But wrong dates and re schedules always follow and it will surely happen this time as well. As I heard in Pycon India 2016, A feedback should always be taken as a feedback. I would also like to know the guidelines around which the decision to revoke his access was taken. It would be beneficial for other contributors. > Now this makes me really curious about the process of volunteering and > being an open community. > > Can someone please shed some light on the process? May be I'm not aware > of it. > > [0] > https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+ > realslimshanky&type=Commits > [1] > https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Apythonindia+ > realslimshanky&type=Issues > [2] > https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/ > 116#issuecomment-357253755 > > Regards, > Shashank Kumar > @realslimshanky > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:44:56 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:14:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:51 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were reviewing > things without knowing anything about it . His review *by no means* is final review. It only helps the reviewer with merge rights to merge the PR. And the reviewer who actually merges the PR takes the responsibility of handling any conflicts/changes etc. This is the case in *every* open-source project that I know of/ have contributed to. I will just state the definition of Open Source from Wikipedia [0]: "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software with its source code made available with a license in which the copyright holder provides the rights to study, change, and distribute the software to anyone and for any purpose. Open-source software may be developed in a collaborative public manner. According to scientists who studied it, open-source software is a prominent example of open collaboration." > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? Open Source means potentially *anyone* in the world can tell you that your code is wrong. They can review it. They are FREE to comment on it about what they think is wrong or right with it. People appreciate help in FOSS, they don't discourage it. > Is that open source volunteering? Well according to my experience, yes, indeed. > Don't act like reviewer and approve pull request without knowing anything. This is not accepted in any FOSS communities. This is accepted. If you need examples, I will be more than happy to provide you with some. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:46:24 2018 From: shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com (Shashank Kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:16:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? Message-ID: Hi Vijay, > Firstly Thanks for bringing this up. > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were reviewing > things without knowing anything about it . > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? > Is that open source volunteering? > > Thanks, > Vijay I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and commenting on both the platforms. And imho, this should not be the criteria for a person to be able to review PR. PRs on github can be reviewed keeping code as a prospective also, so I reviewed after checking that the PR can be successfully deployed. Regards, Shashank Kumar @realslimshanky From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:48:17 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:18:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Sanyam Khurana wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:51 PM, vijay kumar > wrote: > > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were > reviewing > > things without knowing anything about it . > > His review *by no means* is final review. It only helps the reviewer > with merge rights to merge the PR. And the reviewer who actually > merges the PR takes the responsibility of handling any > conflicts/changes etc. This is the case in *every* open-source > project that I know of/ have contributed to. > > I will just state the definition of Open Source from Wikipedia [0]: > > "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software with its source code > made available with a license in which the copyright holder provides > the rights to study, change, and distribute the software to anyone and > for any purpose. Open-source software may be developed in a > collaborative public manner. According to scientists who studied it, > open-source software is a prominent example of open collaboration." > > > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? > > Open Source means potentially *anyone* in the world can tell you that > your code is wrong. They can review it. They are FREE to comment on it > about what they think is wrong or right with it. People appreciate > help in FOSS, they don't discourage it. > Do you approve pull request without having knowledge? > > > Is that open source volunteering? > > Well according to my experience, yes, indeed. > > > Don't act like reviewer and approve pull request without knowing > anything. This is not accepted in any FOSS communities. > > This is accepted. If you need examples, I will be more than happy to > provide you with some. > > > [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software > > -- > Mozilla Rep > http://www.SanyamKhurana.com > Github: CuriousLearner > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PRs on github can be reviewed keeping > code as a prospective also, so I reviewed after checking that the PR can be > successfully deployed. > Interesting point raised. > > Regards, > Shashank Kumar > @realslimshanky > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:50:56 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:20:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Sanyam Khurana < > sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:51 PM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were >> reviewing >> > things without knowing anything about it . >> >> His review *by no means* is final review. It only helps the reviewer >> with merge rights to merge the PR. And the reviewer who actually >> merges the PR takes the responsibility of handling any >> conflicts/changes etc. This is the case in *every* open-source >> project that I know of/ have contributed to. >> >> I will just state the definition of Open Source from Wikipedia [0]: >> >> "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software with its source code >> made available with a license in which the copyright holder provides >> the rights to study, change, and distribute the software to anyone and >> for any purpose. Open-source software may be developed in a >> collaborative public manner. According to scientists who studied it, >> open-source software is a prominent example of open collaboration." >> >> > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? >> >> Open Source means potentially *anyone* in the world can tell you that >> your code is wrong. They can review it. They are FREE to comment on it >> about what they think is wrong or right with it. People appreciate >> help in FOSS, they don't discourage it. >> > > Do you approve pull request without having knowledge? > I do based on basic sanity. But I won't merge it until I can see that things won't break. Most are anyways taken care off by tests. > >> > Is that open source volunteering? >> >> Well according to my experience, yes, indeed. >> >> > Don't act like reviewer and approve pull request without knowing >> anything. This is not accepted in any FOSS communities. >> >> This is accepted. If you need examples, I will be more than happy to >> provide you with some. >> >> >> [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software >> >> -- >> Mozilla Rep >> http://www.SanyamKhurana.com >> Github: CuriousLearner >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:51:46 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:21:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Shashank Kumar < shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Vijay, > > > Firstly Thanks for bringing this up. > > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were > reviewing > > things without knowing anything about it . > > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? > > Is that open source volunteering? > > > > Thanks, > > Vijay > > I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for > which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and > commenting on both the platforms. And imho, this should not be the criteria > for a person to be able to review PR. PRs on github can be reviewed keeping > code as a prospective also, so I reviewed after checking that the PR can be > successfully deployed. > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve PR ? I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. > > Regards, > Shashank Kumar > @realslimshanky > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 13:52:55 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:22:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Sanyam Khurana < > sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:51 PM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were >> reviewing >> > things without knowing anything about it . >> >> His review *by no means* is final review. It only helps the reviewer >> with merge rights to merge the PR. And the reviewer who actually >> merges the PR takes the responsibility of handling any >> conflicts/changes etc. This is the case in *every* open-source >> project that I know of/ have contributed to. >> >> I will just state the definition of Open Source from Wikipedia [0]: >> >> "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software with its source code >> made available with a license in which the copyright holder provides >> the rights to study, change, and distribute the software to anyone and >> for any purpose. Open-source software may be developed in a >> collaborative public manner. According to scientists who studied it, >> open-source software is a prominent example of open collaboration." >> >> > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? >> >> Open Source means potentially *anyone* in the world can tell you that >> your code is wrong. They can review it. They are FREE to comment on it >> about what they think is wrong or right with it. People appreciate >> help in FOSS, they don't discourage it. >> > > Do you approve pull request without having knowledge? > Even if the chap was wrong on his part, you could have handled it better. Saying, "Thanks for the approval, We will merge it once its approved by the concerned reviewer or XYZ" rather than saying "Who are you?" > >> > Is that open source volunteering? >> >> Well according to my experience, yes, indeed. >> >> > Don't act like reviewer and approve pull request without knowing >> anything. This is not accepted in any FOSS communities. >> >> This is accepted. If you need examples, I will be more than happy to >> provide you with some. >> >> >> [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software >> >> -- >> Mozilla Rep >> http://www.SanyamKhurana.com >> Github: CuriousLearner >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:03:09 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:33:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:22 AM, Peeyush Aggarwal < peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM, vijay kumar > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Sanyam Khurana < >> sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:51 PM, vijay kumar >>> wrote: >>> > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were >>> reviewing >>> > things without knowing anything about it . >>> >>> His review *by no means* is final review. It only helps the reviewer >>> with merge rights to merge the PR. And the reviewer who actually >>> merges the PR takes the responsibility of handling any >>> conflicts/changes etc. This is the case in *every* open-source >>> project that I know of/ have contributed to. >>> >>> I will just state the definition of Open Source from Wikipedia [0]: >>> >>> "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software with its source code >>> made available with a license in which the copyright holder provides >>> the rights to study, change, and distribute the software to anyone and >>> for any purpose. Open-source software may be developed in a >>> collaborative public manner. According to scientists who studied it, >>> open-source software is a prominent example of open collaboration." >>> >>> > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? >>> >>> Open Source means potentially *anyone* in the world can tell you that >>> your code is wrong. They can review it. They are FREE to comment on it >>> about what they think is wrong or right with it. People appreciate >>> help in FOSS, they don't discourage it. >>> >> >> Do you approve pull request without having knowledge? >> > > Even if the chap was wrong on his part, you could have handled it better. > > Saying, "Thanks for the approval, We will merge it once its approved by > the concerned reviewer or XYZ" rather than saying "Who are you?" > Read complete context I have *requested* him to stop reviewing it. We want contributions from everyone but at the same we want them to understand things they do and ask question if required to have complete knwoledge. We have been requesting for volunteer to help with content . I am not sure why he never replied that he want to contribute? Request everyone lets put energy to making PyCon India great event as it 10th year celerbation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It only helps the reviewer >>> with merge rights to merge the PR. And the reviewer who actually >>> merges the PR takes the responsibility of handling any >>> conflicts/changes etc. This is the case in *every* open-source >>> project that I know of/ have contributed to. >>> >>> I will just state the definition of Open Source from Wikipedia [0]: >>> >>> "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software with its source code >>> made available with a license in which the copyright holder provides >>> the rights to study, change, and distribute the software to anyone and >>> for any purpose. Open-source software may be developed in a >>> collaborative public manner. According to scientists who studied it, >>> open-source software is a prominent example of open collaboration." >>> >>> > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? >>> >>> Open Source means potentially *anyone* in the world can tell you that >>> your code is wrong. They can review it. They are FREE to comment on it >>> about what they think is wrong or right with it. People appreciate >>> help in FOSS, they don't discourage it. >>> >> >> Do you approve pull request without having knowledge? >> > > Even if the chap was wrong on his part, you could have handled it better. > > Saying, "Thanks for the approval, We will merge it once its approved by > the concerned reviewer or XYZ" rather than saying "Who are you?" > Read complete context I have *requested* him to stop reviewing it. Requesting by revoking his rights? We want contributions from everyone but at the same we want them to understand things they do and ask question if required to have complete knwoledge. We have been requesting for volunteer to help with content . I am not sure why he never replied that he want to contribute? Request everyone lets put energy to making PyCon India great event as it 10th year celerbation. _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:11:30 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:41:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:33 AM, Shashank Kumar < shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi again, > > On Saturday 13 January 2018 12:21 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve PR > ? > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. > >> >> Regards, >> Shashank Kumar >> @realslimshanky >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > > Sorry, if you are not getting me correctly but I stated here that my > review on github was solely based on the codebase and it's successful > deployment. Similarly, anyone should be able to review or comment since > both the options are available. I would strongly recommend there should be > a strict guideline for who can comment and review on which PR/Repository if > you feel otherwise. > You have approved the PR that not correct. Please take a look on PR once again. We would be more happy if get more helping hands. 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In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:38 AM, Peeyush Aggarwal < peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 13-Jan-2018 12:34 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:22 AM, Peeyush Aggarwal < > peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Sanyam Khurana < >>> sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:51 PM, vijay kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> > The point is you were not involved in any discussion and you were >>>> reviewing >>>> > things without knowing anything about it . >>>> >>>> His review *by no means* is final review. It only helps the reviewer >>>> with merge rights to merge the PR. And the reviewer who actually >>>> merges the PR takes the responsibility of handling any >>>> conflicts/changes etc. This is the case in *every* open-source >>>> project that I know of/ have contributed to. >>>> >>>> I will just state the definition of Open Source from Wikipedia [0]: >>>> >>>> "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software with its source code >>>> made available with a license in which the copyright holder provides >>>> the rights to study, change, and distribute the software to anyone and >>>> for any purpose. Open-source software may be developed in a >>>> collaborative public manner. According to scientists who studied it, >>>> open-source software is a prominent example of open collaboration." >>>> >>>> > Why act like you are reviewer when you were not involved ? >>>> >>>> Open Source means potentially *anyone* in the world can tell you that >>>> your code is wrong. They can review it. They are FREE to comment on it >>>> about what they think is wrong or right with it. People appreciate >>>> help in FOSS, they don't discourage it. >>>> >>> >>> Do you approve pull request without having knowledge? >>> >> >> Even if the chap was wrong on his part, you could have handled it better. >> >> Saying, "Thanks for the approval, We will merge it once its approved by >> the concerned reviewer or XYZ" rather than saying "Who are you?" >> > Read complete context I have *requested* him to stop reviewing it. > > > Requesting by revoking his rights? > How did he approve PR if right were revoked? -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:05:44 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:35:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > Do you approve pull request without having knowledge? Well, I am a maintainer to a few projects, so I guess I'll have knowledge to take decisions on those. For the projects I do not maintain, I certainly give out reviews about what I think is right/wrong or what could have been better. (that helps me in learning things). Because I believe that those folks who have merge rights are sane enough and understand the code-base better. If I'm mistaken somewhere, there are helpful people who come forward to reply to me. We discuss on the PRs are learn together. That is beneficial for all of us, to the entire community as a whole. We *all learn* from each other. And quite honestly, he just mentioned "LGTM", which essentially means, that the *blog post* looks good to him. It was not deployed, neither approved by any other person who has access on it. I don't understand the point, of mentioning that comment, and replying just to intermittent things on the thread without reading through the whole discussion and figuring out the context. > I do based on basic sanity. But I won't merge it until I can see that things won't break. Most are anyways taken care off by tests. Yes Peeyush, indeed. I believe, those with merge rights are sane enough to take care of it. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:15:35 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:45:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 12:42 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:33 AM, Shashank Kumar < shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi again, > > On Saturday 13 January 2018 12:21 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve PR > ? > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. > >> >> Regards, >> Shashank Kumar >> @realslimshanky >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > > Sorry, if you are not getting me correctly but I stated here that my > review on github was solely based on the codebase and it's successful > deployment. Similarly, anyone should be able to review or comment since > both the options are available. I would strongly recommend there should be > a strict guideline for who can comment and review on which PR/Repository if > you feel otherwise. > You have approved the PR that not correct. Please take a look on PR once again. Even I am not sure if the PR is correct or not. But what I see is that you are stating it to be wrong even when there is no comment about any discrepancy. In case you knew some errors in it, you should have mentioned it there *on priority* We would be more happy if get more helping hands. We have been requesting for people to help with content review. As you are strong recommendation something . Request you to propose to whole commuity and help. -- Thanks, Vijay _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:15:02 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:45:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Vijay, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > How did he approve PR if right were revoked? I humbly request you to read the whole thread again. He was able to approve the PR, because it is Open Source. Sigh. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From benignbala at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:18:28 2018 From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:48:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > How did he approve PR if right were revoked? > Do you really not understand the difference between saying: "Thanks for you effort, but please do not approve changes, but please do provide your inputs/comments" and "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please stop reviewing it." ? First one is what a person who respects volunteer efforts would have said. Second one, at least to me, conveys a boss-y attitude. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:22:09 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:52:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Sanyam Khurana wrote: > Hey Vijay, > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM, vijay kumar > wrote: > > > > How did he approve PR if right were revoked? > > I humbly request you to read the whole thread again. He was able to > approve the PR, because it is Open Source. > You approve PR as subject matter expert without knowing anything about it. Let's please not set wrong example . I will let commnity decide on what was correct and how to move forward. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:25:12 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:55:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Peeyush Aggarwal < peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 13-Jan-2018 12:42 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:33 AM, Shashank Kumar < > shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> On Saturday 13 January 2018 12:21 AM, vijay kumar wrote: >> >> Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve PR >> ? >> I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Shashank Kumar >>> @realslimshanky >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> >> Sorry, if you are not getting me correctly but I stated here that my >> review on github was solely based on the codebase and it's successful >> deployment. Similarly, anyone should be able to review or comment since >> both the options are available. I would strongly recommend there should be >> a strict guideline for who can comment and review on which PR/Repository if >> you feel otherwise. >> > > You have approved the PR that not correct. Please take a look on PR once > again. > > > Even I am not sure if the PR is correct or not. > Please when you not sure you should not approve PR. I would personally recommend everyone not do this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benignbala at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:25:39 2018 From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:55:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Vijay, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:52 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > I will let commnity decide on what was correct and how to move forward. > It is the community that is saying what you did there is not the right approach :) Everyone responding in this thread, and everywhere else, including the person who you asked not to review is part of the Python community. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:29:01 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:59:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 12:56 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Peeyush Aggarwal < peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 13-Jan-2018 12:42 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:33 AM, Shashank Kumar < > shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> On Saturday 13 January 2018 12:21 AM, vijay kumar wrote: >> >> Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve PR >> ? >> I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Shashank Kumar >>> @realslimshanky >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> >> Sorry, if you are not getting me correctly but I stated here that my >> review on github was solely based on the codebase and it's successful >> deployment. Similarly, anyone should be able to review or comment since >> both the options are available. I would strongly recommend there should be >> a strict guideline for who can comment and review on which PR/Repository if >> you feel otherwise. >> > > You have approved the PR that not correct. Please take a look on PR once > again. > > > Even I am not sure if the PR is correct or not. > Please when you not sure you should not approve PR. I would personally recommend everyone not do this. Thank you for the recommendation. _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:30:10 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:00:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? 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An actual contribution on a pull request from someone who has contributed in the past is more valuable than some "reply saying that he wants to contribute". > Request everyone lets put energy to making PyCon India great event as > it 10th year celerbation. I'm sorry to say that if this is the way you're planning to encourage people, it's going to take a LOT of energy just to blow away all the bad vibes. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:31:13 2018 From: shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com (Shashank Kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:01:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Saturday 13 January 2018 12:41 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > You have approved the PR that not correct.? Please take a look on PR > once again. > > We would be more happy if get more helping hands. > We have been requesting for people to help with content review. > ? > > As you are strong recommendation something . Request you to propose to > whole commuity and help. > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay That is exactly why my review is not final or any review so to speak. My point since the beginning is that reviews/comments should be open. I would love to look into issues, make mistakes, correct them and finally the maintainers find value in what I did then they are happy to merge it to the codebase. If you stop someone from contributing at the beginning, even if it starts with a mistake, you are hindering the value it might create. If any volunteer on the website team is listening, I want to help out! Regards, Shashank Kumar @realslimshankhy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there some mission critical piece of infrastructure that's going to explode because of an oversight? He found it correct and, given his past contributions, is a person who's judgment in the matter has been sound. It's a good contribution and should be welcomed rather than be discouraged because he's not involved in some "discussion". > Is that open source volunteering? Yes it is. Very much so. It's obvious that he's contributed a good amount of work to various projects[1] and knows how open source works. I've sent several shitty pull requests to various larger projects and have been treated in a more dignified fashion than this even when I didn't deserve it. I like to give the benefit of doubt to people but really, I can't interpret your comment in anyway that's constructive. [...] Footnotes: [1] https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=realslimshanky&type=Commits -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jan 12 14:43:12 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:13:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:21:46 +0530") References: Message-ID: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve > PR ? An "LGTM" is not an approval. > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. What exactly are you trying to say here? I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point everyone on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't know anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the case. Otherwise, your argument makes no sense whatsoever and you owe realslimshanky an apology. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Fri Jan 12 14:40:03 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:10:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:52 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Sanyam Khurana < > sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey Vijay, >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> > >> > How did he approve PR if right were revoked? >> >> I humbly request you to read the whole thread again. He was able to >> approve the PR, because it is Open Source. >> > > You approve PR as subject matter expert without knowing anything about it. > Let's please not set wrong example . > Also, lets try not to drive the members away. We have to be more welcoming than this. People are not puppies who would return with a wagging tail after being shooed away. > > I will let commnity decide on what was correct and how to move forward. > s/commnity/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:40:35 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:10:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: > > > [...] > > > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve > > PR ? > > An "LGTM" is not an approval. > Please check PR . > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Fri Jan 12 14:40:35 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:10:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: > > > [...] > > > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve > > PR ? > > An "LGTM" is not an approval. > > > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. > > What exactly are you trying to say here? > > I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point everyone > on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't know > anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's > some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the > case. > > Otherwise, your argument makes no sense whatsoever and you owe > realslimshanky an apology. > +1 > > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:42:09 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:12:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:52 AM, vijay kumar > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Sanyam Khurana < >> sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey Vijay, >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM, vijay kumar >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > How did he approve PR if right were revoked? >>> >>> I humbly request you to read the whole thread again. He was able to >>> approve the PR, because it is Open Source. >>> >> >> You approve PR as subject matter expert without knowing anything about it. >> Let's please not set wrong example . >> > > We have to be more welcoming than this. > Agreed. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:52:02 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:22:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 1:07 AM, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve > PR ? An "LGTM" is not an approval. > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. What exactly are you trying to say here? I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point everyone on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't know anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the case. Otherwise, your argument makes no sense whatsoever and you owe realslimshanky an apology. What happened was on the part of the community. Being a member of the same ( in whatever capacity, as I am not sure if my name is there on that important list) I tender my apologies to Shashank for the misdeed that happen. I request him to ignore this incident as a fringe element and continue is good deeds. Also, whosoever is authorised, kindly restore his rights to merge PRs. I hope this will bring and end to this issue and the people who found it incorrect would come up with some concrete guidelines on how to tackle these situations. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 14:52:11 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:22:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve >> > PR ? >> >> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >> >> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >> >> What exactly are you trying to say here? >> >> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point everyone >> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't know >> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >> case. >> >> >> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he didn't know anything. I would never recommend anyone this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jan 12 15:06:19 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:36:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: (Peeyush Aggarwal's message of "Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:22:02 +0530") References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, Peeyush Aggarwal wrote: [...] > What happened was on the part of the community. Being a member of the > same ( in whatever capacity, as I am not sure if my name is there on > that important list) I tender my apologies to Shashank for the misdeed > that happen. I consider myself part of the "community" and I, in no way, want to be associated with this kind of behaviour. "The community" didn't reply to that PR. Vijay did. Given his oft-repeated claims that he works for the aforesaid community, IMNSHO he owes Shashank an apology. A non-professional conference needs more volunteers in all capacities. Not rules and regulations to exclude people and rude gatekeepers to shoo off potential contributors. > I request him to ignore this incident as a fringe element and continue > is good deeds. Yes please. +1 from me too FWIW. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From me at bibhas.in Fri Jan 12 14:59:37 2018 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:29:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi Vijay, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve >>> > PR ? >>> >>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>> >>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>> >>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>> >>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point everyone >>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't know >>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>> case. >>> >>> >>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. > He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he didn't > know anything. > I would never recommend anyone this. > ?Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? You also skipped this question by Shashank - > I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and commenting on both the platforms. > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Bibhas Debnath http://bibhas.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:04:42 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:34:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13 2018, Peeyush Aggarwal wrote: > > [...] > > > What happened was on the part of the community. Being a member of the > > same ( in whatever capacity, as I am not sure if my name is there on > > that important list) I tender my apologies to Shashank for the misdeed > > that happen. > > I consider myself part of the "community" and I, in no way, want to be > associated with this kind of behaviour. > > "The community" didn't reply to that PR. Vijay did. Given his > oft-repeated claims that he works for the aforesaid community, IMNSHO he > owes Shashank an apology. > Noufal, This is uncalled for. Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? Did you check if it was just review ? > A non-professional conference needs more volunteers in all > capacities. Not rules and regulations to exclude people and rude > gatekeepers to shoo off potential contributors. > > I never did and that not how i work. PyCon India 2013 -2015 is example of how many volunteers work and how they happily contribute even today. I don't need to prove anyone anything. > > I request him to ignore this incident as a fringe element and continue > > is good deeds. > > Yes please. +1 from me too FWIW. > > > [...] > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > Hi Vijay, > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to approve >>>> > PR ? >>>> >>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>> >>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>> >>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>> >>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point everyone >>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't know >>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>> case. >>>> >>>> >>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. >> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >> didn't know anything. >> I would never recommend anyone this. >> > > ?Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? > First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing list. Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. > You also skipped this question by Shashank - > Did that answer the question ? > > > I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for > which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and > commenting on both the platforms. > > > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Bibhas Debnath > http://bibhas.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:11:42 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:41:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 1:36 AM, "Ankur Gupta" wrote: On 13 Jan 2018 1:23 a.m., "vijay kumar" wrote: I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he didn't know anything. I would never recommend anyone this. This has been written a number of times without replying to the other points made in this thread. Can you please let everyone on this list know what "knowledge" was required to approve the PR? Also, what is the process of revoking rights from the repository? Who gets to make this decision? Seems like he responds on points of his comfort. Regards Ankur Gupta _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jan 12 15:19:43 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:49:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:34:42 +0530") References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Noufal, This is uncalled for. > Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? > Did you check if it was just review ? I did now and I see it was an approval. My bad. Doesn't take anything away from my argument though and you still haven't answered my questions. What damage has he done by approving these changes without responding to your initial call for volunteers? [...] > I never did and that not how i work. PyCon India 2013 -2015 is > example of how many volunteers work and how they happily contribute > even today. I don't need to prove anyone anything. So you say and yet, a person who contributed to earlier conferences actually sent an email to the mailing list asking whether the conference is "still open" and this was prompted by a response from you. You've seen the thread that ensued. It's the voice of the "community". There's enough writing on the wall if you're interested in reading it. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Fri Jan 12 15:21:37 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:51:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:12 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:52 AM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Sanyam Khurana < >>> sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Vijay, >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM, vijay kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > How did he approve PR if right were revoked? >>>> >>>> I humbly request you to read the whole thread again. He was able to >>>> approve the PR, because it is Open Source. >>>> >>> >>> You approve PR as subject matter expert without knowing anything about >>> it. >>> Let's please not set wrong example . >>> >> >> We have to be more welcoming than this. >> > Agreed. > You do not need to agree with a partial statement. But you do need to sincerely apologize to @realslimshanky. And promise never discourage the next generation who will take the community forward long after you and I have withered away. Cheers -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:24:31 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:54:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:34 AM, vijay kumar wrote: >> > I never did and that not how i work. > PyCon India 2013 -2015 is example of how many volunteers work and how they > happily contribute even today. > I don't need to prove anyone anything. Wow, I realize everytime I see 2013-2015. Didn't we have PyCon India in 2016 & 2017? > First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing list. > Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. I don't know how to react to this. 1:1 discussions and saying community takes decision. A grand salute to this. That is why, he was not aware of your *personal discussions*. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From me at bibhas.in Fri Jan 12 15:25:49 2018 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:55:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > >> Hi Vijay, >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>> approve >>>>> > PR ? >>>>> >>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>> >>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>> >>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>> >>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point everyone >>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't know >>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>> case. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. >>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>> didn't know anything. >>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>> >> >> ? >> ?? >> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >> > First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing > list. > Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as > it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. > Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please stop reviewing it." There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? > > >> You also skipped this question by Shashank - >> > Did that answer the question ? > ?You forgot to answer my question - ? Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? You're talking about organizing a community driven event and yet the community is telling you that what you did was wrong. And you're turning a blind eye to it. You literally ignored all the comments and blindly repeated your own view. He approved the changes in the PR but he *did not* merge it. He did not break anything! And yet your comment was exactly what someone who wants to "preserve control" would say. That's not a comment made by someone who welcomes community effort. You also didn't answer to this - Also, what is the process of revoking rights from the repository? Who gets to make this decision? > >> > I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for >> which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and >> commenting on both the platforms. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Bibhas Debnath >> http://bibhas.in >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Bibhas Debnath http://bibhas.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:26:40 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:56:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:49 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: > > > [...] > > > Noufal, This is uncalled for. > > Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? > > Did you check if it was just review ? > > I did now and I see it was an approval. My bad. > > Doesn't take anything away from my argument though and you still haven't > answered my questions. What damage has he done by approving these > changes without responding to your initial call for volunteers? > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in review comments and someone would have helped him. Probably , I could have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR in last 30 days he approved without complete information. I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always requested everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to communiucate on mailing list as much as possible. > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Fri Jan 12 15:27:54 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:57:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:34 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, Peeyush Aggarwal wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> > What happened was on the part of the community. Being a member of the >> > same ( in whatever capacity, as I am not sure if my name is there on >> > that important list) I tender my apologies to Shashank for the misdeed >> > that happen. >> >> I consider myself part of the "community" and I, in no way, want to be >> associated with this kind of behaviour. >> >> "The community" didn't reply to that PR. Vijay did. Given his >> oft-repeated claims that he works for the aforesaid community, IMNSHO he >> owes Shashank an apology. >> > Noufal, This is uncalled for. > Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? > Did you check if it was just review ? > Doesn't matter if it was a an approval. You do not tread people like this even if they crash the production server. That is, if you want the team to continue working with you. > > >> A non-professional conference needs more volunteers in all >> capacities. Not rules and regulations to exclude people and rude >> gatekeepers to shoo off potential contributors. >> >> I never did and that not how i work. > PyCon India 2013 -2015 is example of how many volunteers work and how they > happily contribute even today. > I don't need to prove anyone anything. > And that gives you the right to treat the volunteers like slaves? You have a very wrong idea of community. I would never have returned had someone treated me like this, when I started. > > > >> > I request him to ignore this incident as a fringe element and continue >> > is good deeds. >> >> Yes please. +1 from me too FWIW. >> >> >> [...] >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> Noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:28:31 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:58:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:49 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: > > > [...] > >> Noufal, This is uncalled for. >> Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? >> Did you check if it was just review ? If you *really* have looked carefully, then the approvals, or rejections made by people who don't have merge rights on github appear to be greyed out. (That actually needs contributing to know, bdw) Those who have access, their approvals come out as greens, which essentially means that a maintainer thinks it is good to go. Everyone in a FOSS community is free to say what he thinks. > Doesn't take anything away from my argument though and you still haven't > answered my questions. What damage has he done by approving these > changes without responding to your initial call for volunteers? > +1 Also, it would be great Vijay, if you can answer the questions, rather than just cross questioning everyone on only some of the questions that seems important to you. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Fri Jan 12 15:33:58 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:03:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:56 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:49 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> > Noufal, This is uncalled for. >> > Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? >> > Did you check if it was just review ? >> >> I did now and I see it was an approval. My bad. >> >> Doesn't take anything away from my argument though and you still haven't >> answered my questions. What damage has he done by approving these >> changes without responding to your initial call for volunteers? >> > > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. > Does not matter. Your response was inappropriate. Apologize, and end this. Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in review > comments and someone would have helped him. > Probably , I could have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR > in last 30 days he approved without complete information. > > I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always requested > everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to communiucate > on mailing list as much as possible. > Do you realize that there is no conference without people? People who will stay away after witnessing this negativity. > > >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> Noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:34:13 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:04:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:54 AM, Sanyam Khurana wrote: > Hey, > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:34 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> > > I never did and that not how i work. > > PyCon India 2013 -2015 is example of how many volunteers work and how > they > > happily contribute even today. > > I don't need to prove anyone anything. > > Wow, I realize everytime I see 2013-2015. Didn't we have PyCon India > in 2016 & 2017? > I was actively involved only those years so i can use only example which i am part of. > > > First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in > mailing list. > > Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel > as it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. > > I don't know how to react to this. 1:1 discussions and saying > community takes decision. A grand salute to this. > All decision is done here. They speak offline to make faster progress that 1:1 discussion. It common way of working , Few people use IRC , Few use Email . Don't you use IRC/Email if you want any offline suggestion from anyone ? > > That is why, he was not aware of your *personal discussions*. > > > -- > Mozilla Rep > http://www.SanyamKhurana.com > Github: CuriousLearner > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:35:11 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:05:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 1:57 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:49 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: > > > [...] > > > Noufal, This is uncalled for. > > Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? > > Did you check if it was just review ? > > I did now and I see it was an approval. My bad. > > Doesn't take anything away from my argument though and you still haven't > answered my questions. What damage has he done by approving these > changes without responding to your initial call for volunteers? > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in review comments and someone would have helped him. Probably , I could have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR in last 30 days he approved without complete information. Just wanted to confirm, did you let him know ( maybe personally over email or whatever channel) to make sure he is aware of the context of the PR the last time he did. If yes, Shashank might be at a very minor fault as it was just a blog post. If no, how would he know about his wrong act( which is not actually that wrong in my opinion and some other community members too). I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always requested everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to communiucate on mailing list as much as possible. Would you be revoking their rights as well for not following in line with some *process*? > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jan 12 15:43:45 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:13:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:56:40 +0530") References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. Stop beating around the bush and answer my question Vijay. What damage did he do other than not respond to your call for volunteers. > Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in > review comments and someone would have helped him. Probably , I could > have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR in last 30 > days he approved without complete information. And how did this damage the conference? > I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always No you don't. You explicitly told him to "please stop reviewing it." > requested everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to > communiucate on mailing list as much as possible. If you're a big proponent of that, where is the discussion on the how to be a volunteer and what qualifications they need to have on the list archives? Where are the guidelines publicly posted? Can you point to a public archive of the rule which he violated by reviewing/approving that PR? What gives you the right to shoo him away for genuinely contributing? Look, I know how much work you've done for the event and I think I speak for everyone on the list saying that you're a valued member of the community. You made a mistake now and instead of doubling down and messing things up, you should just admit to it, apologise to Shashank publicly and move forward. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From me at bibhas.in Fri Jan 12 15:37:07 2018 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:07:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:04 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:54 AM, Sanyam Khurana < > sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:34 AM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> >> >> > I never did and that not how i work. >> > PyCon India 2013 -2015 is example of how many volunteers work and how >> they >> > happily contribute even today. >> > I don't need to prove anyone anything. >> >> Wow, I realize everytime I see 2013-2015. Didn't we have PyCon India >> in 2016 & 2017? >> > > I was actively involved only those years so i can use only example which i > am part of. > > >> >> > First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in >> mailing list. >> > Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel >> as it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >> >> I don't know how to react to this. 1:1 discussions and saying >> community takes decision. A grand salute to this. >> > > All decision is done here. They speak offline to make faster progress that > 1:1 discussion. > It common way of working , Few people use IRC , Few use Email . > Don't you use IRC/Email if you want any offline suggestion from anyone ? > ?Not when we're working on a community project, Vijay. Specially not if it's an open source project. You open an issue, discuss everything there. Everyone pitches in, sends PR, reviews and then merges. That's how it works. > > >> >> That is why, he was not aware of your *personal discussions*. >> > > >> >> -- >> Mozilla Rep >> http://www.SanyamKhurana.com >> Github: CuriousLearner >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Bibhas Debnath http://bibhas.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:38:42 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:08:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:56 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > Probably , I could have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR > in last 30 days he approved without complete information. > Because, probably, he is trying to help the community after all these years. He was contributing and is still trying to contribute. > I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always requested > everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to communiucate on > mailing list as much as possible. > How ironic is your process and your thoughts. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:40:22 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:10:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >> >>> Hi Vijay, >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>> approve >>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>> >>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>> know >>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. >>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>> didn't know anything. >>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>> >>> >>> ? >>> ?? >>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>> >> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing >> list. >> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as >> it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >> > > Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, > know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 > conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. > Do we maintain log of each discussion done offline . Which year was it done ? One of the volunteer wrote email on volunteering and gave reference to this blog : https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india-2015.html Hope that answer you. > And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't > qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? > - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please > stop reviewing it." > > > There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of > reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? > I corrected wrong thing. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:41:12 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:11:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:10 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Vijay, >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>>> approve >>>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then >>>>>>> there's >>>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>>> case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right >>>>> anywhere. >>>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>>> didn't know anything. >>>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> ?? >>>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>>> >>> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in >>> mailing list. >>> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel >>> as it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >>> >> >> Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, >> know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 >> conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. >> > > Do we maintain log of each discussion done offline . Which year was it > done ? > One of the volunteer wrote email on volunteering and gave reference to > this blog : https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon- > india-2015.html > Hope that answer you. > > > >> And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't >> qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? >> - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please >> stop reviewing it." >> > > >> >> There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of >> reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? >> > I corrected wrong thing. > Probably right sentence is I pointed wrong things. > > >> > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Didn't we have PyCon India >>> in 2016 & 2017? >>> >> >> I was actively involved only those years so i can use only example which >> i am part of. >> >> >>> >>> > First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in >>> mailing list. >>> > Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel >>> as it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >>> >>> I don't know how to react to this. 1:1 discussions and saying >>> community takes decision. A grand salute to this. >>> >> >> All decision is done here. They speak offline to make faster progress >> that 1:1 discussion. >> It common way of working , Few people use IRC , Few use Email . >> Don't you use IRC/Email if you want any offline suggestion from anyone ? >> > > ?Not when we're working on a community project, Vijay. Specially not if > it's an open source project. > > We are already fixing it : Check out repo and we will add all task and discuss there so everyone will have context reference. https://github.com/pythonindia/pycon-india-2018-tasks You open an issue, discuss everything there. Everyone pitches in, sends PR, > reviews and then merges. That's how it works. > > > >> >> >>> >>> That is why, he was not aware of your *personal discussions*. >>> >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Mozilla Rep >>> http://www.SanyamKhurana.com >>> Github: CuriousLearner >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Bibhas Debnath > http://bibhas.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:11 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >> >>> Hi Vijay, >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>> approve >>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>> >>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>> know >>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. >>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>> didn't know anything. >>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>> >>> >>> ? >>> ?? >>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>> >> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing >> list. >> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as >> it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >> > > Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, > know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 > conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. > Do we maintain log of each discussion done offline . Which year was it done ? If the offline discussion or meeting is has any necessary info that community needs to know, I personally sent all the minutes of meeting with IMPORTANT INFO in it over the mailing list. One of the volunteer wrote email on volunteering and gave reference to this blog : https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-india-2015.html Hope that answer you. It answers none of the issues and concerns raised about the harsh and immature decision taken. > And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't > qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? > - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please > stop reviewing it." > > > There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of > reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? > I corrected wrong thing. It's only you who thinks that right now. As you always say Let the community decide. > _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:48:36 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:18:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: > > > [...] > > > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. > > Stop beating around the bush and answer my question Vijay. What damage > did he do other than not respond to your call for volunteers. > Did i say ever he did damage ? He just did wrong thing that it. > > > Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in > > review comments and someone would have helped him. Probably , I could > > have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR in last 30 > > days he approved without complete information. > > And how did this damage the conference? > > > I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always > > No you don't. You explicitly told him to "please stop reviewing it." > > > requested everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to > > communiucate on mailing list as much as possible. > > If you're a big proponent of that, where is the discussion on the how to > be a volunteer and what qualifications they need to have on the list > archives? Where are the guidelines publicly posted? Can you point to a > public archive of the rule which he violated by reviewing/approving that > PR? What gives you the right to shoo him away for genuinely > contributing? > > Look, I know how much work you've done for the event and I think I speak > for everyone on the list saying that you're a valued member of the > community. > I am stil same. > > You made a mistake now and instead of doubling down and messing things > up, you should just admit to it, apologise to Shashank publicly and move > forward. > I pointed out wrong things that it from my side. You also have seen he approved it. > > > [...] > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:17 AM, Peeyush Aggarwal < peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 13-Jan-2018 2:11 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Vijay, >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>>> approve >>>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then >>>>>>> there's >>>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>>> case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right >>>>> anywhere. >>>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>>> didn't know anything. >>>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> ?? >>>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>>> >>> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in >>> mailing list. >>> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel >>> as it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >>> >> >> Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, >> know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 >> conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. >> > > Do we maintain log of each discussion done offline . Which year was it > done ? > > > If the offline discussion or meeting is has any necessary info that > community needs to know, I personally sent all the minutes of meeting with > IMPORTANT INFO in it over the mailing list. > > One of the volunteer wrote email on volunteering and gave reference to > this blog : https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-indi > a-2015.html > Hope that answer you. > > > It answers none of the issues and concerns raised about the harsh and > immature decision taken. > > > > >> And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't >> qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? >> - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please >> stop reviewing it." >> > > >> >> There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of >> reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? >> > I corrected wrong thing. > > > It's only you who thinks that right now. As you always say > > Let the community decide. > I still say let commuity decide but don't enforce anyone that not commuity way of working. > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:21 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:17 AM, Peeyush Aggarwal < peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 13-Jan-2018 2:11 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Vijay, >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>>> approve >>>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then >>>>>>> there's >>>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>>> case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right >>>>> anywhere. >>>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>>> didn't know anything. >>>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> ?? >>>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>>> >>> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in >>> mailing list. >>> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel >>> as it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >>> >> >> Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, >> know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 >> conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. >> > > Do we maintain log of each discussion done offline . Which year was it > done ? > > > If the offline discussion or meeting is has any necessary info that > community needs to know, I personally sent all the minutes of meeting with > IMPORTANT INFO in it over the mailing list. > > One of the volunteer wrote email on volunteering and gave reference to > this blog : https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/volunteering-for-pycon-indi > a-2015.html > Hope that answer you. > > > It answers none of the issues and concerns raised about the harsh and > immature decision taken. > > > > >> And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't >> qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? >> - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please >> stop reviewing it." >> > > >> >> There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of >> reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? >> > I corrected wrong thing. > > > It's only you who thinks that right now. As you always say > > Let the community decide. > I still say let commuity decide but don't enforce anyone that not commuity way of working. I hope you align yourself with this thought and one day we will have a system to take unambiguous call of what the community decides rather than using this phrase to tackle itself. > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:56:41 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:26:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > Did i say ever he did damage ? He just did wrong thing that it. That is what everyone is trying to ask you from past 4 hours; "What is wrong with that"? Don't just keep swaying off discussions on your own will and replying intermittently only to thing that seems important to you. There have been numerous questions asked, but none was replied. I'm disappointed with what is going on from more than 4 hours. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:58:53 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:28:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:57 AM, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:34 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, Peeyush Aggarwal wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> > What happened was on the part of the community. Being a member of the >>> > same ( in whatever capacity, as I am not sure if my name is there on >>> > that important list) I tender my apologies to Shashank for the misdeed >>> > that happen. >>> >>> I consider myself part of the "community" and I, in no way, want to be >>> associated with this kind of behaviour. >>> >>> "The community" didn't reply to that PR. Vijay did. Given his >>> oft-repeated claims that he works for the aforesaid community, IMNSHO he >>> owes Shashank an apology. >>> >> Noufal, This is uncalled for. >> Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? >> Did you check if it was just review ? >> > > Doesn't matter if it was a an approval. > > You do not tread people like this even if they crash the production server. > We will fix it > > That is, if you want the team to continue working with you. > I want everyone to contributiuon to commuity in way they can. I follow same process to contrubute the way i can . > > >> >> >>> A non-professional conference needs more volunteers in all >>> capacities. Not rules and regulations to exclude people and rude >>> gatekeepers to shoo off potential contributors. >>> >>> I never did and that not how i work. >> PyCon India 2013 -2015 is example of how many volunteers work and how >> they happily contribute even today. >> I don't need to prove anyone anything. >> > > And that gives you the right to treat the volunteers like slaves? > Please understand comepletey . When did i say they work for me and they are my slaves. Hold before using words > > You have a very wrong idea of community. > Thanks wil fix it .We all know what damage was done during feedbck session of PyCon India 2016 and why its was called of in between by other volunteers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:59:31 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:29:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:27 AM, "Sanyam Khurana" wrote: Hey, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > Did i say ever he did damage ? He just did wrong thing that it. That is what everyone is trying to ask you from past 4 hours; "What is wrong with that"? Don't just keep swaying off discussions on your own will and replying intermittently only to thing that seems important to you. There have been numerous questions asked, but none was replied. I'm disappointed with what is going on from more than 4 hours. You can go off. Let the community decide. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:59:48 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:29:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:20 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > I still say let commuity decide but don't enforce anyone that not commuity > way of working. What more do you want here? Have you not read the discussions by everyone? Okay, please let me know what is the way of community working. And also, please learn to reply to mailing list from here: https://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf It helps people to easily get context and reply. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:00:45 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:30:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:26 AM, Sanyam Khurana wrote: > Hey, > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > Did i say ever he did damage ? He just did wrong thing that it. > > That is what everyone is trying to ask you from past 4 hours; "What is > wrong with that"? > I have said n time in last 4 hours . Approving anything without knowledge is wrong. I am not gone repeat anymore on this. > > Don't just keep swaying off discussions on your own will and replying > intermittently only to thing that seems important to you. There have > been numerous questions asked, but none was replied. > I don't do . I replying to my best to eveyone possible. > > I'm disappointed with what is going on from more than 4 hours. > I am too disappointed . > > > -- > Mozilla Rep > http://www.SanyamKhurana.com > Github: CuriousLearner > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:03:02 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:33:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:29 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:57 AM, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:34 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, Peeyush Aggarwal wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> > What happened was on the part of the community. Being a member of the >>> > same ( in whatever capacity, as I am not sure if my name is there on >>> > that important list) I tender my apologies to Shashank for the misdeed >>> > that happen. >>> >>> I consider myself part of the "community" and I, in no way, want to be >>> associated with this kind of behaviour. >>> >>> "The community" didn't reply to that PR. Vijay did. Given his >>> oft-repeated claims that he works for the aforesaid community, IMNSHO he >>> owes Shashank an apology. >>> >> Noufal, This is uncalled for. >> Can you expalin diffeence between review and approve? >> Did you check if it was just review ? >> > > Doesn't matter if it was a an approval. > > You do not tread people like this even if they crash the production server. > We will fix it > > That is, if you want the team to continue working with you. > I want everyone to contributiuon to commuity in way they can. I follow same process to contrubute the way i can . > > >> >> >>> A non-professional conference needs more volunteers in all >>> capacities. Not rules and regulations to exclude people and rude >>> gatekeepers to shoo off potential contributors. >>> >>> I never did and that not how i work. >> PyCon India 2013 -2015 is example of how many volunteers work and how >> they happily contribute even today. >> I don't need to prove anyone anything. >> > > And that gives you the right to treat the volunteers like slaves? > Please understand comepletey . When did i say they work for me and they are my slaves. Hold before using words > > You have a very wrong idea of community. > Thanks wil fix it .We all know what damage was done during feedbck session of PyCon India 2016 and why its was called of in between by other volunteers. Yes, I broke a leg in that damage. But no volunteer or attendee had to open a thread questioning the very basis of this community. Bdw, it was not called of unanimously, there was some person who was bothered of everything happening around and he decided to call it off. _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:08:54 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:38:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >> >>> Hi Vijay, >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>> approve >>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>> >>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>> know >>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. >>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>> didn't know anything. >>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>> >>> >>> ? >>> ?? >>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>> >> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing >> list. >> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as >> it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >> > > Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, > know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 > conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. > what process was followed to make him approver ? I don't see any discussion in this mailing list ? Let understand we all work in ways to contribute from our personal time and let respect and move forward. > And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't > qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? > - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please > stop reviewing it." > Is it only review comments ? > > There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of > reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? > > > >> >> >>> You also skipped this question by Shashank - >>> >> Did that answer the question ? >> > > ?You forgot to answer my question - > ? > Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? You're > talking about organizing a community driven event and yet the community is > telling you that what you did was wrong. And you're turning a blind eye to > it. You literally ignored all the comments and blindly repeated your own > view. > > He approved the changes in the PR but he *did not* merge it. He did not > break anything! And yet your comment was exactly what someone who wants to > "preserve control" would say. That's not a comment made by someone who > welcomes community effort. > > You also didn't answer to this - Also, what is the process of revoking > rights from the repository? Who gets to make this decision? > > > >> >>> > I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for >>> which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and >>> commenting on both the platforms. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inpycon mailing list >>>> Inpycon at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Bibhas Debnath >>> http://bibhas.in >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Bibhas Debnath > http://bibhas.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:39 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >> >>> Hi Vijay, >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>> approve >>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>> >>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>> know >>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. >>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>> didn't know anything. >>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>> >>> >>> ? >>> ?? >>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>> >> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing >> list. >> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as >> it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >> > > Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, > know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 > conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. > what process was followed to make him approver ? He had made PRs to the repo and eventually after his long term commitment to the community, the person concerned might have felt that he is capable enough. Hence he was promoted with legitimate rights. I don't see any discussion in this mailing list ? You want to discuss that on mailing list ? Really? Let understand we all work in ways to contribute from our personal time and let respect and move forward. > And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't > qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? > - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please > stop reviewing it." > Is it only review comments ? > > There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of > reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? > > > >> >> >>> You also skipped this question by Shashank - >>> >> Did that answer the question ? >> > > ?You forgot to answer my question - > ? > Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? You're > talking about organizing a community driven event and yet the community is > telling you that what you did was wrong. And you're turning a blind eye to > it. You literally ignored all the comments and blindly repeated your own > view. > > He approved the changes in the PR but he *did not* merge it. He did not > break anything! And yet your comment was exactly what someone who wants to > "preserve control" would say. That's not a comment made by someone who > welcomes community effort. > > You also didn't answer to this - Also, what is the process of revoking > rights from the repository? Who gets to make this decision? > > > >> >>> > I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for >>> which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and >>> commenting on both the platforms. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inpycon mailing list >>>> Inpycon at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Bibhas Debnath >>> http://bibhas.in >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Bibhas Debnath > http://bibhas.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:39 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >> >>> Hi Vijay, >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>> approve >>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>> >>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>> know >>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. >>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>> didn't know anything. >>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>> >>> >>> ? >>> ?? >>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>> >> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing >> list. >> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as >> it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >> > > Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, > know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 > conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. > what process was followed to make him approver ? I don't see any discussion in this mailing list ? Let understand we all work in ways to contribute from our personal time and let respect and move forward. We do respect that. But it's pretty evident from the first comment that started this thread that you don't. This whole thread was not about proving you wrong. It was about making you see the effort someone has put in reviewing a PR and making you appreciate the time and effort they have put in and respect that, as he also contributed from his own personal time, as you said. But alas, you failed to see that and I'm having to spell it out. You're a valued member of this community. But you're a volunteer too. Just like any other volunteer. Everyone needs to respect each other here. And respect has to be earned. > And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't > qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? > - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please > stop reviewing it." > Is it only review comments ? > > There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of > reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? > > > >> >> >>> You also skipped this question by Shashank - >>> >> Did that answer the question ? >> > > ?You forgot to answer my question - > ? > Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? You're > talking about organizing a community driven event and yet the community is > telling you that what you did was wrong. And you're turning a blind eye to > it. You literally ignored all the comments and blindly repeated your own > view. > > He approved the changes in the PR but he *did not* merge it. He did not > break anything! And yet your comment was exactly what someone who wants to > "preserve control" would say. That's not a comment made by someone who > welcomes community effort. > > You also didn't answer to this - Also, what is the process of revoking > rights from the repository? Who gets to make this decision? > > > >> >>> > I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for >>> which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and >>> commenting on both the platforms. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inpycon mailing list >>>> Inpycon at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Bibhas Debnath >>> http://bibhas.in >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Bibhas Debnath > http://bibhas.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:21:54 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:51:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. >> >> Stop beating around the bush and answer my question Vijay. What damage >> did he do other than not respond to your call for volunteers. >> > > Did i say ever he did damage ? He just did wrong thing that it. > >> >> > Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in >> > review comments and someone would have helped him. Probably , I could >> > have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR in last 30 >> > days he approved without complete information. >> >> And how did this damage the conference? >> >> > I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always >> >> No you don't. You explicitly told him to "please stop reviewing it." >> >> > requested everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to >> > communiucate on mailing list as much as possible. >> >> If you're a big proponent of that, where is the discussion on the how to >> be a volunteer and what qualifications they need to have on the list >> archives? Where are the guidelines publicly posted? Can you point to a >> public archive of the rule which he violated by reviewing/approving that >> PR? What gives you the right to shoo him away for genuinely >> contributing? >> >> Look, I know how much work you've done for the event and I think I speak >> for everyone on the list saying that you're a valued member of the >> community. >> > > I am stil same. > >> >> You made a mistake now and instead of doubling down and messing things >> up, you should just admit to it, apologise to Shashank publicly and move >> forward. >> > > I pointed out wrong things that it from my side. > You also have seen he approved it. > Let me conclude from my side. I am not gone respond anymore on this thread . I am not getting in proving anyone and i don't enforcing any community member for anything. I have proven enough and i will contribute to community way i can. That it. This tempt to ask me where did below discussion happend 1) PyCon India allowed hackathon for profit making orgnaisation 2) T-shirt of PyCon India had Tensflow logo ? I haven't seen even MOM? Did anyone discussion on Pro and cons of above thing done ? > >> >> [...] >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> Noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:21:30 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:51:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:38 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > what process was followed to make him approver ? His n number of contributions made him gain those privileges. > I don't see any discussion in this mailing list ? I also don't see any discussions in mailing list for the above mentioned stuff that would help me and other contributors gain knowledge. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From me at bibhas.in Fri Jan 12 16:23:51 2018 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:53:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:48 AM, "Bibhas Ch Debnath" wrote: On 13-Jan-2018 2:39 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:39 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: >> >>> Hi Vijay, >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:22 AM, vijay kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >>>>> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Now that you says you didn't know anything, Are you correct to >>>>>> approve >>>>>> > PR ? >>>>>> >>>>>> An "LGTM" is not an approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> > I Personally would not recommend anyone doing anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> What exactly are you trying to say here? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we can resolve this quite easily. Why don't you point >>>>>> everyone >>>>>> on this list to the exact damage that he caused because he "didn't >>>>>> know >>>>>> anything"? If his LGTM actually legitimises a bad commit, then there's >>>>>> some substance to what you're saying. Please show us if this is the >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont think someone approving PR without knwoledge is right anywhere. >>>> He should have atleast asked someone before approving it in case he >>>> didn't know anything. >>>> I would never recommend anyone this. >>>> >>> >>> ? >>> ?? >>> Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? >>> >> First discusison happendin in Meeting , MOM had been published in mailing >> list. >> Next steps volunteer take based on thier comfort communication channel as >> it basically 1:1 discussions mainly. >> > > Where is this documented? How would anyone starting to contribute now, > know the history of conversation? Ask all previous volunteers for their 1:1 > conversation log? That really doesn't seem like an open discussion to me. > what process was followed to make him approver ? I don't see any discussion in this mailing list ? Let understand we all work in ways to contribute from our personal time and let respect and move forward. We do respect that. But it's pretty evident from the first comment that started this thread that you don't. This whole thread was not about proving you wrong. It was about making you see the effort someone has put in reviewing a PR and making you appreciate the time and effort they have put in and respect that, as he also contributed from his own personal time, as you said. Adding to it, LGTM literally means it looked good to him. It might not look good to you or other reviewers of course. That's why you should comment on why it doesn't look good to you and what can be improved. Not shoo away the LGTM-person with a pitchfork. That's not how it works. LGTM is the most honest comment you can get. But alas, you failed to see that and I'm having to spell it out. You're a valued member of this community. But you're a volunteer too. Just like any other volunteer. Everyone needs to respect each other here. And respect has to be earned. > And Shashank said he's been contributing for 3 years now, that doesn't > qualify him to write LGTM on a blog post? Writing LGTM got him this comment? > - "I don't think you are part of volunteering Team for this year so please > stop reviewing it." > Is it only review comments ? > > There are people in IRC *right now* saying that they're afraid of > reviewing further PRs. Do you see what you did wrong? > > > >> >> >>> You also skipped this question by Shashank - >>> >> Did that answer the question ? >> > > ?You forgot to answer my question - > ? > Did you read any of the mails sent by others in this thread? You're > talking about organizing a community driven event and yet the community is > telling you that what you did was wrong. And you're turning a blind eye to > it. You literally ignored all the comments and blindly repeated your own > view. > > He approved the changes in the PR but he *did not* merge it. He did not > break anything! And yet your comment was exactly what someone who wants to > "preserve control" would say. That's not a comment made by someone who > welcomes community effort. > > You also didn't answer to this - Also, what is the process of revoking > rights from the repository? Who gets to make this decision? > > > >> >>> > I don't know where the discussion are going on regarding the work for >>> which the PR was made. I'm active on mailing list and IRC, replying and >>> commenting on both the platforms. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inpycon mailing list >>>> Inpycon at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Bibhas Debnath >>> http://bibhas.in >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Bibhas Debnath > http://bibhas.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:52 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. >> >> Stop beating around the bush and answer my question Vijay. What damage >> did he do other than not respond to your call for volunteers. >> > > Did i say ever he did damage ? He just did wrong thing that it. > >> >> > Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in >> > review comments and someone would have helped him. Probably , I could >> > have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR in last 30 >> > days he approved without complete information. >> >> And how did this damage the conference? >> >> > I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always >> >> No you don't. You explicitly told him to "please stop reviewing it." >> >> > requested everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to >> > communiucate on mailing list as much as possible. >> >> If you're a big proponent of that, where is the discussion on the how to >> be a volunteer and what qualifications they need to have on the list >> archives? Where are the guidelines publicly posted? Can you point to a >> public archive of the rule which he violated by reviewing/approving that >> PR? What gives you the right to shoo him away for genuinely >> contributing? >> >> Look, I know how much work you've done for the event and I think I speak >> for everyone on the list saying that you're a valued member of the >> community. >> > > I am stil same. > >> >> You made a mistake now and instead of doubling down and messing things >> up, you should just admit to it, apologise to Shashank publicly and move >> forward. >> > > I pointed out wrong things that it from my side. > You also have seen he approved it. > Let me conclude from my side. I am not gone respond anymore on this thread . I am not getting in proving anyone and i don't enforcing any community member for anything. I have proven enough and i will contribute to community way i can. That it. This tempt to ask me where did below discussion happend 1) PyCon India allowed hackathon for profit making orgnaisation 2) T-shirt of PyCon India had Tensflow logo ? It's too late for you to point this out. If that was not in lines with the guidelines, it has to be raised then and there. Two wrongs don't make a right. Even I won't be proceeding further with this thread as there is no point banging my head against the wall. I haven't seen even MOM? Did anyone discussion on Pro and cons of above thing done ? > >> >> [...] >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> Noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > -- Thanks, Vijay _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at bibhas.in Fri Jan 12 16:30:14 2018 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:00:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 13-Jan-2018 2:57 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > You're a valued member of this community. But you're a volunteer too. Just > like any other volunteer. Everyone needs to respect each other here. And > respect has to be earned. > Agreed . No more response on this thread. Lets respect each other and work for PyCon India 2018. If you do respect other volunteers, you still owe an apology. > > > >> _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raghav.rag99 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:34:41 2018 From: raghav.rag99 at gmail.com (Raghav Raghu) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:04:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 103, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: please help me unsubscribe this inpycon update. Thanks & Regards, Raghavendra On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 3:00 AM, wrote: > Send Inpycon mailing list submissions to > inpycon at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > inpycon-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > inpycon-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Inpycon digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is PyCon India "really open"? (vijay kumar) > 2. Re: Is PyCon India "really open"? (Peeyush Aggarwal) > 3. Re: Is PyCon India "really open"? (Bibhas Ch Debnath) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:56:58 +0530 > From: vijay kumar > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > You're a valued member of this community. But you're a volunteer too. > Just > > like any other volunteer. Everyone needs to respect each other here. And > > respect has to be earned. > > > Agreed . > No more response on this thread. Lets respect each other and work for > PyCon India 2018. > > > > > > > > > > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20180113/fc613f2f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:57:39 +0530 > From: Peeyush Aggarwal > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 13-Jan-2018 2:52 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < > noufal at nibrahim.net.in > > > wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: > >> > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. > >> > >> Stop beating around the bush and answer my question Vijay. What damage > >> did he do other than not respond to your call for volunteers. > >> > > > > Did i say ever he did damage ? He just did wrong thing that it. > > > >> > >> > Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in > >> > review comments and someone would have helped him. Probably , I could > >> > have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR in last 30 > >> > days he approved without complete information. > >> > >> And how did this damage the conference? > >> > >> > I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always > >> > >> No you don't. You explicitly told him to "please stop reviewing it." > >> > >> > requested everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to > >> > communiucate on mailing list as much as possible. > >> > >> If you're a big proponent of that, where is the discussion on the how to > >> be a volunteer and what qualifications they need to have on the list > >> archives? Where are the guidelines publicly posted? Can you point to a > >> public archive of the rule which he violated by reviewing/approving that > >> PR? What gives you the right to shoo him away for genuinely > >> contributing? > >> > >> Look, I know how much work you've done for the event and I think I speak > >> for everyone on the list saying that you're a valued member of the > >> community. > >> > > > > I am stil same. > > > >> > >> You made a mistake now and instead of doubling down and messing things > >> up, you should just admit to it, apologise to Shashank publicly and move > >> forward. > >> > > > > I pointed out wrong things that it from my side. > > You also have seen he approved it. > > > > Let me conclude from my side. I am not gone respond anymore on this thread > . > I am not getting in proving anyone and i don't enforcing any community > member for anything. > I have proven enough and i will contribute to community way i can. That it. > > This tempt to ask me where did below discussion happend > > 1) PyCon India allowed hackathon for profit making orgnaisation > 2) T-shirt of PyCon India had Tensflow logo ? > > > It's too late for you to point this out. If that was not in lines with the > guidelines, it has to be raised then and there. > > Two wrongs don't make a right. > > Even I won't be proceeding further with this thread as there is no point > banging my head against the wall. > > > I haven't seen even MOM? > > Did anyone discussion on Pro and cons of above thing done ? > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cordially, > >> Noufal > >> http://nibrahim.net.in > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Inpycon mailing list > >> Inpycon at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Vijay > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20180113/84019f43/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:00:14 +0530 > From: Bibhas Ch Debnath > To: inpycon > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 13-Jan-2018 2:57 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > > > > > You're a valued member of this community. But you're a volunteer too. > Just > > like any other volunteer. Everyone needs to respect each other here. And > > respect has to be earned. > > > Agreed . > No more response on this thread. 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URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:38:44 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:08:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:57 AM, Peeyush Aggarwal < peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 13-Jan-2018 2:52 AM, "vijay kumar" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:18 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: >>> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> > Its not correct from any point to approve PR. >>> >>> Stop beating around the bush and answer my question Vijay. What damage >>> did he do other than not respond to your call for volunteers. >>> >> >> Did i say ever he did damage ? He just did wrong thing that it. >> >>> >>> > Even today if he didn't had complete information he could asked in >>> > review comments and someone would have helped him. Probably , I could >>> > have reponded better and will fix it. but this was 2 PR in last 30 >>> > days he approved without complete information. >>> >>> And how did this damage the conference? >>> >>> > I personaly support everyone reviewing that why I have always >>> >>> No you don't. You explicitly told him to "please stop reviewing it." >>> >>> > requested everyone to review each documents and ask every volunteer to >>> > communiucate on mailing list as much as possible. >>> >>> If you're a big proponent of that, where is the discussion on the how to >>> be a volunteer and what qualifications they need to have on the list >>> archives? Where are the guidelines publicly posted? Can you point to a >>> public archive of the rule which he violated by reviewing/approving that >>> PR? What gives you the right to shoo him away for genuinely >>> contributing? >>> >>> Look, I know how much work you've done for the event and I think I speak >>> for everyone on the list saying that you're a valued member of the >>> community. >>> >> >> I am stil same. >> >>> >>> You made a mistake now and instead of doubling down and messing things >>> up, you should just admit to it, apologise to Shashank publicly and move >>> forward. >>> >> >> I pointed out wrong things that it from my side. >> You also have seen he approved it. >> > > Let me conclude from my side. I am not gone respond anymore on this thread > . > I am not getting in proving anyone and i don't enforcing any community > member for anything. > I have proven enough and i will contribute to community way i can. That it. > > This tempt to ask me where did below discussion happend > > 1) PyCon India allowed hackathon for profit making orgnaisation > 2) T-shirt of PyCon India had Tensflow logo ? > > > It's too late for you to point this out. > I pointed our at right time but i was asked not to make it publicy by senior members of community as it would impacted PyCon India 2017. I respected thing and volunteers. Nothing is late. > If that was not in lines with the guidelines, it has to be raised then and > there. > Please ask core volunteering team members . Was it not raised ? > > Two wrongs don't make a right. > > Even I won't be proceeding further with this thread as there is no point > banging my head against the wall. > Thanks > > > I haven't seen even MOM? > > Did anyone discussion on Pro and cons of above thing done ? > > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:56:58 +0530") References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87efmuml0m.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Agreed . No more response on this thread. Lets respect each other > and work for PyCon India 2018. Walk the talk and apologise if you really believe this. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jan 12 23:40:31 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 10:10:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:51:54 +0530") References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <876086mkw0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Let me conclude from my side. I am not gone respond anymore on this thread . > I am not getting in proving anyone and i don't enforcing any community > member for anything. > I have proven enough and i will contribute to community way i can. That it. > > This tempt to ask me where did below discussion happend > > 1) PyCon India allowed hackathon for profit making orgnaisation > 2) T-shirt of PyCon India had Tensflow logo ? > > I haven't seen even MOM? > > Did anyone discussion on Pro and cons of above thing done ? [...] Pathetic Vijay. Really pathetic. If you're the kind of person that does this kind of muck raking, you really owe yourself some off time and introspection. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From atuludupi at live.com Fri Jan 12 23:59:57 2018 From: atuludupi at live.com (Atul UDUPI) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 04:59:57 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <876086mkw0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <874lnqq2wf.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mv1ion9g.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <871siuomn4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87po6en6ym.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> , <876086mkw0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Friends, Good Morning. Please pick up phone & talk to each or meet in-person and sort out the gaps. We are all professionals here with a common goal. Its very important to focus on the goal we all have set. I feel you both should meet and sort out this and request you not to use this group for posting arguments etc. Thank you for understanding. Regards Atul Udupi Keep Learning .. Keep Sharing.. Make it away of your Life. ________________________________ From: Inpycon on behalf of Noufal Ibrahim KV Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:10:31 AM To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? On Sat, Jan 13 2018, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Let me conclude from my side. I am not gone respond anymore on this thread . > I am not getting in proving anyone and i don't enforcing any community > member for anything. > I have proven enough and i will contribute to community way i can. That it. > > This tempt to ask me where did below discussion happend > > 1) PyCon India allowed hackathon for profit making orgnaisation > 2) T-shirt of PyCon India had Tensflow logo ? > > I haven't seen even MOM? > > Did anyone discussion on Pro and cons of above thing done ? [...] Pathetic Vijay. Really pathetic. If you're the kind of person that does this kind of muck raking, you really owe yourself some off time and introspection. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Sat Jan 13 01:02:00 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:32:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> (Shashank Kumar's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:02:23 +0530") References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> I'm going to stop responding to this thread. I've stated my positions and I don't think there's anything else I have to say. The actual conference is generally a valuable thing to many (most) people who attend it and while I still feel strongly about the issue this thread is about, I think the conference is more important. I think working towards that disregarding this issue is in the larger community's best interests. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vipulgupta2048 at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 05:09:56 2018 From: vipulgupta2048 at gmail.com (Vipul Gupta) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:39:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: *Sigh* This was my response to reading the entire list. Since Vijay does need for the community to decide and the discussion has been put to bed. I feel I should speak up as I feel I am a tiny part of this community too. And that feeling is important. The feeling of being a part of something bigger than yourself. Now, I wouldn't dare to add to the discussion other than what many people have said in the support of realslimshanky (Shashank Kumar). Here are my views on it. I am a second-year student, pursuing B.Tech CSE, started contributing just a year ago. Majorly in PyCon India 2017. In my case, realslimshanky had reviewed most of my commits in the PyCon India 2017 repo for both PyCon blogs and the website. I contributed by fixing small bugs and worked closely with him. LGTM is just a sign that the commit is good to be deployed, fulfills its purpose, wouldn't harm other components of the website/app. It wouldn't mean approving the commit and merging to the master/production branch. It's just a comment. Even I use it myself, for the commits I review. I have seen many other people do it. Now if that's a bad practice, I would fix myself but that's not the case here. Removing his rights and the responses made by Vijay on the mailing list were unjust and uncalled for. Yes, an apology to realslimshanky would help here because if I was a new volunteer, I wouldn't feel too good about contributing further. This is sadly what this reflects in my eyes. But still, I am too young to have an opinion on the matter concerned. And for the long run, this mail wouldn't matter much. Also, this situation could be handled in a much better way as many other people pointed out. I do appeal to all other volunteers (new and old) to keep contributing and continue working for the Pycon India 2018. This community has taught me so much in the previous year. I wish all that you would have the same experience as I had, this year too. Happy Contributing !! Cordially, Vipul Gupta Ps. This has been my first reply to the mailing list. I apologize for the top post reply but the discussion was very long to reply inline. Also, Vijay (@vnbang2003) 1. Is this a joke? [0] But still, I guess better than 1:1 discussions. 2. I use this online tool for proofreading. Give it a shot, it's free [1] [0] - https://github.com/pythonindia/pycon-india-2018-tasks [1] - https://www.grammarly.com/ On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > I'm going to stop responding to this thread. I've stated my positions > and I don't think there's anything else I have to say. > > The actual conference is generally a valuable thing to many (most) > people who attend it and while I still feel strongly about the issue > this thread is about, I think the conference is more important. > > I think working towards that disregarding this issue is in the larger > community's best interests. > > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vani.pree at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 13:01:15 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:31:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi All, Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to share some data. PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a step towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate realslimshanky's contribution. IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody here is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are working for PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention of discouraging or stopping any from doing so. A few stats below. We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing list for all meetings conducted so far this year. Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. Since this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos as even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things will not be repeated. Let us all keep this aside and work together to make PyCon India better; after all, that is our goal. [0] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/110 [1] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/112 Thanks, Vanitha On 13 January 2018 at 15:39, Vipul Gupta wrote: > *Sigh* > > This was my response to reading the entire list. Since Vijay does need for > the community to decide and the discussion has been put to bed. I feel I > should speak up as I feel I am a tiny part of this community too. And that > feeling is important. The feeling of being a part of something bigger than > yourself. > > Now, I wouldn't dare to add to the discussion other than what many people > have said in the support of realslimshanky (Shashank Kumar). Here are my > views on it. I am a second-year student, pursuing B.Tech CSE, started > contributing just a year ago. Majorly in PyCon India 2017. In my case, > realslimshanky had reviewed most of my commits in the PyCon India 2017 repo > for both PyCon blogs and the website. I contributed by fixing small bugs > and worked closely with him. LGTM is just a sign that the commit is good to > be deployed, fulfills its purpose, wouldn't harm other components of the > website/app. It wouldn't mean approving the commit and merging to the > master/production branch. It's just a comment. Even I use it myself, for > the commits I review. I have seen many other people do it. Now if that's a > bad practice, I would fix myself but that's not the case here. > > Removing his rights and the responses made by Vijay on the mailing list > were unjust and uncalled for. Yes, an apology to realslimshanky would help > here because if I was a new volunteer, I wouldn't feel too good about > contributing further. This is sadly what this reflects in my eyes. But > still, I am too young to have an opinion on the matter concerned. And for > the long run, this mail wouldn't matter much. Also, this situation could be > handled in a much better way as many other people pointed out. > > I do appeal to all other volunteers (new and old) to keep contributing and > continue working for the Pycon India 2018. This community has taught me so > much in the previous year. I wish all that you would have the same > experience as I had, this year too. > > Happy Contributing !! > > Cordially, > Vipul Gupta > > Ps. This has been my first reply to the mailing list. I apologize for the > top post reply but the discussion was very long to reply inline. > Also, Vijay (@vnbang2003) > 1. Is this a joke? [0] But still, I guess better than 1:1 discussions. > 2. I use this online tool for proofreading. Give it a shot, it's free [1] > > [0] - https://github.com/pythonindia/pycon-india-2018-tasks > [1] - https://www.grammarly.com/ > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < > noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: > >> >> I'm going to stop responding to this thread. I've stated my positions >> and I don't think there's anything else I have to say. >> >> The actual conference is generally a valuable thing to many (most) >> people who attend it and while I still feel strongly about the issue >> this thread is about, I think the conference is more important. >> >> I think working towards that disregarding this issue is in the larger >> community's best interests. >> >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> Noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at bibhas.in Sat Jan 13 13:11:21 2018 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:41:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi Vanitha, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam wrote: > Hi All, > > Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to share > some data. > > PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a step > towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate > realslimshanky's contribution. > > IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody here > is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are working for > PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention of > discouraging or stopping any from doing so. > > A few stats below. > We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the > volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other > things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing > list for all meetings conducted so far this year. > > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping any > updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India 2018 > website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. Since > this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other > required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos as > even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. > > That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having > complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing > but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email > away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone > updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way > and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things > will not be repeated. > ?I wish Vijay had said this instead of you. It's almost 90 mails long thread. And yet he refused to show any kind of understanding towards what anyone in this thread said. And as pointed out, the proper way of communication in this case were not proper at all. There were no issue on the repo where these conversations happened. And even in those 2 PRs you mentioned, there is absolutely no comment from the "core team" that mentions what went wrong. There is absolutely no clue about the "chaos" anywhere in the mailing list on the repo. Hence, the questions raised by Shashank on the first mail, still stands. > > Let us all keep this aside and work together to make PyCon India better; > after all, that is our goal. > > [0] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/110 > [1] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/112 > > > Thanks, > Vanitha > > On 13 January 2018 at 15:39, Vipul Gupta wrote: > >> *Sigh* >> >> This was my response to reading the entire list. Since Vijay does need >> for the community to decide and the discussion has been put to bed. I feel >> I should speak up as I feel I am a tiny part of this community too. And >> that feeling is important. The feeling of being a part of something bigger >> than yourself. >> >> Now, I wouldn't dare to add to the discussion other than what many people >> have said in the support of realslimshanky (Shashank Kumar). Here are my >> views on it. I am a second-year student, pursuing B.Tech CSE, started >> contributing just a year ago. Majorly in PyCon India 2017. In my case, >> realslimshanky had reviewed most of my commits in the PyCon India 2017 repo >> for both PyCon blogs and the website. I contributed by fixing small bugs >> and worked closely with him. LGTM is just a sign that the commit is good to >> be deployed, fulfills its purpose, wouldn't harm other components of the >> website/app. It wouldn't mean approving the commit and merging to the >> master/production branch. It's just a comment. Even I use it myself, for >> the commits I review. I have seen many other people do it. Now if that's a >> bad practice, I would fix myself but that's not the case here. >> >> Removing his rights and the responses made by Vijay on the mailing list >> were unjust and uncalled for. Yes, an apology to realslimshanky would help >> here because if I was a new volunteer, I wouldn't feel too good about >> contributing further. This is sadly what this reflects in my eyes. But >> still, I am too young to have an opinion on the matter concerned. And for >> the long run, this mail wouldn't matter much. Also, this situation could be >> handled in a much better way as many other people pointed out. >> >> I do appeal to all other volunteers (new and old) to keep contributing >> and continue working for the Pycon India 2018. This community has taught me >> so much in the previous year. I wish all that you would have the same >> experience as I had, this year too. >> >> Happy Contributing !! >> >> Cordially, >> Vipul Gupta >> >> Ps. This has been my first reply to the mailing list. I apologize for the >> top post reply but the discussion was very long to reply inline. >> Also, Vijay (@vnbang2003) >> 1. Is this a joke? [0] But still, I guess better than 1:1 discussions. >> 2. I use this online tool for proofreading. Give it a shot, it's free [1] >> >> [0] - https://github.com/pythonindia/pycon-india-2018-tasks >> [1] - https://www.grammarly.com/ >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm going to stop responding to this thread. I've stated my positions >>> and I don't think there's anything else I have to say. >>> >>> The actual conference is generally a valuable thing to many (most) >>> people who attend it and while I still feel strongly about the issue >>> this thread is about, I think the conference is more important. >>> >>> I think working towards that disregarding this issue is in the larger >>> community's best interests. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cordially, >>> Noufal >>> http://nibrahim.net.in >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Bibhas Debnath http://bibhas.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 13:39:10 2018 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 00:09:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hello, On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam wrote: > > A few stats below. > We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the > volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other > things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing list > for all meetings conducted so far this year. > > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping any > updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India 2018 > website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. Since > this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other > required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos as even > the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. First, `merge` and `deploy` are two different things. I agree that it could have been deployed by someone and then later we realized that blog also get deployed. The first PR I see is a blog post and second one is just a CSS change. If it create a `chaos`, why am I unable to see any comments on the merged PR for the same? Was this issue bought up anywhere? > > That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having complete > info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing but to do it > the right way with proper communication. We are just an email away and it > hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone updated. I agree > that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way and as he mentioned > in one of the emails, we will make sure such things will not be repeated. > The issue could have been really handled with a lot more diligence than this. I cannot see if Vijay still realized what *communtiy is saying*. I'm still disappointed. Can someone reinstate (realslimshanky's rights). Neither I can see an apology, nor I see reversal of unethically snatching away rights. -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 14:37:20 2018 From: shashankkumarkushwaha at gmail.com (Shashank Kumar) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:07:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <7cd18be9-c44d-c647-8769-1d0b812919a1@gmail.com> Hi Vanitha, On Saturday 13 January 2018 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam wrote: > A few stats below.? > We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the > volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other > things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the > mailing list for all meetings conducted so far this year. Sorry, but I couldn't find the schedule for blogs and their deployment. Although, I saw a thread regarding issues on the website[0] to which I replied accordingly[1] and explicitly created an issue on the github[2] which was closed (by Vijay Bung) without any discussion. I couldn't understand either but patiently waited to see if the community is planning something more efficient for the website. > > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping > any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon > India 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated > for this. Since this went live well before our planned date > unexpectedly when the other required updates were not available on our > website, it created chaos as even the core volunteers were not aware > of this PR merge. Again, I cannot find any guideline regarding how to contribute or the time-line contributors have to follow which you are mentioning. I did what I can do best for the community, review the PR, comment if any change is needed and take it forward for the betterment of blog/website as this is what I've been doing since a long time now. > > That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having > complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from > contributing but to do it the right way with proper communication. We > are just an email away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the > info and keep everyone updated. I agree that Vijay could have > communicated that in a better way and as he mentioned in one of the > emails, we will make sure such things will not be repeated. I agree with your words that this situation could have been handled in a better way. I am the one learning from all of you, even if I have never met you in person, so your words, your code, your mails leave a huge impact on me and others like me. It's because of you I spend most of my time contributing to open source especially that of Python domain. This community has given me a lot and I'll leave no loose strings when it comes to giving back with the same enthusiasm. Now, I wonder what if this was my first encounter with the community. As this could have been for any person looking to start their journey in open source. They would never have mailed to the list, maybe never have looked back again. We all would never know of losing a potential volunteer. [0] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2017-November/011362.html [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2017-November/011374.html [2] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon2018/issues/4 Regards Shashank Kumar @realslimshanky From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Sat Jan 13 20:24:49 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 06:54:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam wrote: > Hi All, > > Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to share > some data. > > PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a step > towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate > realslimshanky's contribution. > > IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody here > is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are working for > PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention of > discouraging or stopping any from doing so. > > A few stats below. > We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the > volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other > things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing > list for all meetings conducted so far this year. > > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping any > updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India 2018 > website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. Since > this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other > required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos as > even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. > That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard expected from people who have built the community. If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode. Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good image of the community. > That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having > complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing > but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email > away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone > updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way > and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things > will not be repeated. > Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is he too proud to apologise? Does he want the community to grow, or does he want the community to grow acknowledging him as its infallible overlord who can never commit any mistake. People like you and me would never have stayed in the community to have this debate had someone kicked us in this way when we were just trying to find our starting ground. > > Let us all keep this aside and work together to make PyCon India better; > after all, that is our goal. > There wouldn't be any PyCon India for long if there is no next generation to take the baton. And if we shoo away valued members like Shashank with these curt remarks, we will lose our valued members. We either learn to be more welcoming to the newcomers and let them handle more and more responsibility or be prepared for the community to die before us. What do we value more, people of the community or vijay being the infallible overlord who is too proud to apologise? #letCOMMNITYdecide > > [0] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/110 > [1] https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon-blog/pull/112 > > > Thanks, > Vanitha > > > -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maithani.aniket at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 22:30:09 2018 From: maithani.aniket at gmail.com (Aniket Maithani) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:00:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > > There wouldn't be any PyCon India for long if there is no next generation > to take the baton. > And if we shoo away valued members like Shashank with these curt remarks, > we will lose our valued members. > > We either learn to be more welcoming to the newcomers and let them handle > more and more responsibility or be prepared for the community to die before > us. > > What do we value more, people of the community or vijay being the > infallible overlord who is too proud to apologise? > > #letCOMMNITYdecide > > This whole mail thread make me think twice about writing my opinion about this topic. I'll go ahead anyway. My first Pycon was PyCon India 2014 and boy! I still get goosebumps whenever I think about the time I had. All of my mentors, employers, friends are from this community only. I won't name anyone in particular but those who know me personally they know I am talking about them. Some of the guys here are because of the fact that I told them to come and join this community. We can have difference of opinion and it's fine I guess. That is what makes this community active and dynamic in nature. I had my fair share of bashing [I would rather call it "course correction"] whenever I did something which was not in coherence with the community guidelines. Too much of RTFM!! :P . At the end of it I understand that one has to be /dev/null. But that doesn't mean you have to be "ego-istic!" Community is about "WE" and not "I". I mean if you think about it whenever I ask my juniors [college/school] to volunteer for the event or get involved in the community [in general] I always make them understand about the "WE" part. It's not an allegation but I believe if someone believes that he/she is bigger than the community then I am afraid... he/she is not. Also, what does the word "VOLUNTEER" means? As per Google -: a person who works for an organization without being paid. Yeah right! So if a person is actually taking out time to review a PR he/she is not doing it just to get some GREEN PATCH on his Git account! [pun] but because he/she believes in the fact "THAT'S HOW COMMUNITY WORKS!". *Just because a person is there in the community since quite some time it gives him no right to act like "I AM THE ONE"*. And as Anuvrat pointed out if we keep shoo-ing away young people from the community we will INFACT loose some of our valuable members. Keeping it short! - Yes, I am disappointed by this episode. - Let's keep the spirit high guys. Apology or no apology let's focus on the task in hand. - It's Sunday! So keep your tea warm and your beer cold! p.s : AFAIK Anuvrat is more of a coffee guy so yeah.. lame joke. **Lighting the mood** Signing off... Aniket Maithani www.aniketmaithani.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vani.pree at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 03:03:21 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 13:33:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi Bibhas, On 13 January 2018 at 23:41, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > Hi Vanitha, > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to >> share some data. >> >> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a step >> towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate >> realslimshanky's contribution. >> >> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody here >> is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are working for >> PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention of >> discouraging or stopping any from doing so. >> >> A few stats below. >> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >> list for all meetings conducted so far this year. >> >> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping any >> updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India 2018 >> website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. Since >> this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other >> required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos as >> even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >> >> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing >> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email >> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone >> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way >> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things >> will not be repeated. >> > > ?I wish Vijay had said this instead of you. > > It's almost 90 mails long thread. And yet he refused to show any kind of > understanding towards what anyone in this thread said. > > And as pointed out, the proper way of communication in this case were not > proper at all. There were no issue on the repo where these conversations > happened. And even in those 2 PRs you mentioned, there is absolutely no > comment from the "core team" that mentions what went wrong. There is > absolutely no clue about the "chaos" anywhere in the mailing list on the > repo. > We did not inform Shashank neither anyone else as that was the initial stage and we could manage. Since PyCon India announcement were not made public then and the traffic to our website was moderate, we did not think that it was necessary to keep track each and everything in the repo. With any volunteering effort, you make phone calls or follow other means of communication which is faster when such things happen. I agree we could have communicated this to Shashank to avoid this, and it was our mistake. I hope you understand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vani.pree at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 03:16:07 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 13:46:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 14 January 2018 at 00:09, Sanyam Khurana wrote: > Hello, > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam > wrote: > > > > A few stats below. > > We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the > > volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other > > things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing > list > > for all meetings conducted so far this year. > > > > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping any > > updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India > 2018 > > website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. > Since > > this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other > > required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos as > even > > the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. > > First, `merge` and `deploy` are two different things. I agree that it > could have been deployed by someone and then later we realized that > blog also get deployed. > The first PR I see is a blog post and second one is just a CSS change. > If it create a `chaos`, why am I unable to see any comments on the > merged PR for the same? > > Was this issue bought up anywhere? > Answered this to Bibhas. Just for everyone's information here, last year no discussion brought up in mailing list and nobody apart from Delhi team were aware of what was happening unless u join the telegram group. This year, we are trying to be transparent and keeping everyone updated as much as we can.. And everyone here ask for proof for each and every word we speak. Why is this difference? I do not have energy to fight with everybody here to give proof for every point I make. If you do not have trust, I cant help. I wonder why you did not bring up such concerns last year. > > > > That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having > complete > > info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing but to > do it > > the right way with proper communication. We are just an email away and it > > hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone updated. I > agree > > that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way and as he > mentioned > > in one of the emails, we will make sure such things will not be repeated. > > > > The issue could have been really handled with a lot more diligence > than this. I cannot see if Vijay still realized what *communtiy is > saying*. > > I'm still disappointed. > Vijay mentioned already that his communication could have been better and it was a mistake from his side. No one is trying to overpower any, it was just a mis-communication. I expect people to give benefit of doubt and respect each other instead of dragging this discussion. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vani.pree at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 03:29:56 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 13:59:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <7cd18be9-c44d-c647-8769-1d0b812919a1@gmail.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <7cd18be9-c44d-c647-8769-1d0b812919a1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Shashank, On 14 January 2018 at 01:07, Shashank Kumar wrote: > Hi Vanitha, > > > On Saturday 13 January 2018 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam wrote: > > A few stats below. > > We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the > > volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other > > things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the > > mailing list for all meetings conducted so far this year. > Sorry, but I couldn't find the schedule for blogs and their deployment. > Although, I saw a thread regarding issues on the website[0] to which I > replied accordingly[1] and explicitly created an issue on the github[2] > which was closed (by Vijay Bung) without any discussion. I couldn't > understand either but patiently waited to see if the community is > planning something more efficient for the website. > JFYI, the issue you raised was for the earlier website designed by volunteers. We decided to work with a vendor to get the website designed and that was the reason all old issues were closed. The new website design discussion happened in mailing list and the designs were shared too. > > > > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping > > any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon > > India 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated > > for this. Since this went live well before our planned date > > unexpectedly when the other required updates were not available on our > > website, it created chaos as even the core volunteers were not aware > > of this PR merge. > Again, I cannot find any guideline regarding how to contribute or the > time-line contributors have to follow which you are mentioning. I did > what I can do best for the community, review the PR, comment if any > change is needed and take it forward for the betterment of blog/website > as this is what I've been doing since a long time now. > There are no guidelines set as such. I know you are a PyCon India contributor from 2016. Since you were a part of the core volunteers team or was part of all the discussions, you were aware of the plans in the previous years. All that we suggested is to confirm or let other know before merging code. There is no concern with reviewing PR but the concern was with merging as others are not getting a chance to review or suggest. Keep on opening issues for the same feature will not help move website in a fast pace. Is it not a good practice to follow in any open source community? > > > > That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having > > complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from > > contributing but to do it the right way with proper communication. We > > are just an email away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the > > info and keep everyone updated. I agree that Vijay could have > > communicated that in a better way and as he mentioned in one of the > > emails, we will make sure such things will not be repeated. > I agree with your words that this situation could have been handled in a > better way. I am the one learning from all of you, even if I have never > met you in person, so your words, your code, your mails leave a huge > impact on me and others like me. It's because of you I spend most of my > time contributing to open source especially that of Python domain. This > community has given me a lot and I'll leave no loose strings when it > comes to giving back with the same enthusiasm. > I appreciate your efforts and contributions. Request you to leave this behind and keep contributing and keep your enthusiasm up always . Thanks, Vanitha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at bibhas.in Sun Jan 14 03:51:10 2018 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:21:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam wrote: > > > On 14 January 2018 at 00:09, Sanyam Khurana > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam >> wrote: >> > >> > A few stats below. >> > We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >> > volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >> > things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >> list >> > for all meetings conducted so far this year. >> > >> > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >> any >> > updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >> 2018 >> > website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >> Since >> > this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other >> > required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos as >> even >> > the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >> >> First, `merge` and `deploy` are two different things. I agree that it >> could have been deployed by someone and then later we realized that >> blog also get deployed. > > >> The first PR I see is a blog post and second one is just a CSS change. >> If it create a `chaos`, why am I unable to see any comments on the >> merged PR for the same? >> >> Was this issue bought up anywhere? >> > > Answered this to Bibhas. Just for everyone's information here, last year > no discussion brought up in mailing list and nobody apart from Delhi team > were aware of what was happening unless u join the telegram group. This > year, we are trying to be transparent and keeping everyone updated as much > as we can.. And everyone here ask for proof for each and every word we > speak. Why is this difference? > ?This whole thread started because one volunteer was told that he should stop volunteering his time and then got his access removed without any explanation. That's not transparent.? It's you who came up with an explanation after more than a day. And as we've mentioned earlier, this whole thread is about how he behaved with a volunteer. Many people have pointed that the way he behaved is not the behaviour of someone who understands community. > I do not have energy to fight with everybody here to give proof for every > point I make. If you do not have trust, I cant help. > Community is not trusting the core team. That's what you should notice here. > I wonder why you did not bring up such concerns last year. > ?whataboutary.. > > > >> > >> > That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >> complete >> > info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing but to >> do it >> > the right way with proper communication. We are just an email away and >> it >> > hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone updated. I >> agree >> > that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way and as he >> mentioned >> > in one of the emails, we will make sure such things will not be >> repeated. >> > >> >> The issue could have been really handled with a lot more diligence >> than this. I cannot see if Vijay still realized what *communtiy is >> saying*. >> >> I'm still disappointed. >> > > Vijay mentioned already that his communication could have been better and > it was a mistake from his side. > ?He did not own up to his mistake till now. He did not apologise for his mistake. It's been 36 hours since this started and now it's you who's been sending explanation on behalf of him. He completely ignored everything anyone on this thread was trying to say. > No one is trying to overpower any, it was just a mis-communication. I > expect people to give benefit of doubt and respect each other instead of > dragging this discussion. > It's pretty much evident that Vijay doesn't feel the same way. Almost everyone participating to this thread asked him to apologise for his behaviour and yet he ignored all of it and stopped participating in the conversation, still being part of the "core team" of the largest Python conference in the country. > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Bibhas Debnath http://bibhas.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Minutes are shared in the >>> mailing list >>> > for all meetings conducted so far this year. >>> > >>> > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >>> any >>> > updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >>> 2018 >>> > website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >>> Since >>> > this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other >>> > required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos >>> as even >>> > the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >>> >>> First, `merge` and `deploy` are two different things. I agree that it >>> could have been deployed by someone and then later we realized that >>> blog also get deployed. >> >> >>> The first PR I see is a blog post and second one is just a CSS change. >>> If it create a `chaos`, why am I unable to see any comments on the >>> merged PR for the same? >>> >>> Was this issue bought up anywhere? >>> >> >> Answered this to Bibhas. Just for everyone's information here, last year >> no discussion brought up in mailing list and nobody apart from Delhi team >> were aware of what was happening unless u join the telegram group. This >> year, we are trying to be transparent and keeping everyone updated as much >> as we can.. And everyone here ask for proof for each and every word we >> speak. Why is this difference? >> > > ?This whole thread started because one volunteer was told that he should > stop volunteering his time and then got his access removed without any > explanation. That's not transparent.? It's you who came up with an > explanation after more than a day. > ?he = Vijay, in the sentence below.. ? > And as we've mentioned earlier, this whole thread is about how he behaved > with a volunteer. Many people have pointed that the way he behaved is not > the behaviour of someone who understands community. > > > >> I do not have energy to fight with everybody here to give proof for every >> point I make. If you do not have trust, I cant help. >> > > Community is not trusting the core team. That's what you should notice > here. > > >> I wonder why you did not bring up such concerns last year. >> > > ?whataboutary.. > > >> >> >> >>> > >>> > That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >>> complete >>> > info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing but to >>> do it >>> > the right way with proper communication. We are just an email away and >>> it >>> > hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone updated. I >>> agree >>> > that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way and as he >>> mentioned >>> > in one of the emails, we will make sure such things will not be >>> repeated. >>> > >>> >>> The issue could have been really handled with a lot more diligence >>> than this. I cannot see if Vijay still realized what *communtiy is >>> saying*. >>> >>> I'm still disappointed. >>> >> >> Vijay mentioned already that his communication could have been better and >> it was a mistake from his side. >> > > ?He did not own up to his mistake till now. He did not apologise for his > mistake. It's been 36 hours since this started and now it's you who's been > sending explanation on behalf of him. He completely ignored everything > anyone on this thread was trying to say. > > > >> No one is trying to overpower any, it was just a mis-communication. I >> expect people to give benefit of doubt and respect each other instead of >> dragging this discussion. >> > > It's pretty much evident that Vijay doesn't feel the same way. Almost > everyone participating to this thread asked him to apologise for his > behaviour and yet he ignored all of it and stopped participating in the > conversation, still being part of the "core team" of the largest Python > conference in the country. > > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Bibhas Debnath > http://bibhas.in > -- Thanks, Bibhas Debnath http://bibhas.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vani.pree at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 03:53:24 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:23:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi Anuvrat, On 14 January 2018 at 06:54, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to >> share some data. >> >> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a step >> towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate >> realslimshanky's contribution. >> >> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody here >> is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are working for >> PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention of >> discouraging or stopping any from doing so. >> >> A few stats below. >> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >> list for all meetings conducted so far this year. >> >> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping any >> updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India 2018 >> website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. Since >> this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other >> required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos as >> even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >> > > That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard expected > from people who have built the community. > > If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a > flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode. > Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good image > of the community. > Just to make it clear, I did not blame any. In fact, we did not even communicate it to realslimshanky on the chaos the merge was created since it was the early stage. I agree there are ways to handle this. Still it is always a good practice to wait for at least a couple of reviews and approves before merging considering the pace we work with PyCon India website. > > > >> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing >> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email >> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone >> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way >> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things >> will not be repeated. >> > > Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is he > too proud to apologise? > What makes you think that someone else was speaking through me? You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to clarify things here? I request you to not assume things, respect my opinions and not infer things on your own. > Does he want the community to grow, or does he want the community to grow > acknowledging him as its infallible overlord who can never commit any > mistake. > Vijay is part of this community and has helped grow this community as well. I don't think anybody will deny that. He accepted that it was his mistake to communicate the way he did. But all you want is a formal apology and no other words can match that. > People like you and me would never have stayed in the community to have > this debate had someone kicked us in this way when we were just trying to > find our starting ground. > > >> >> Let us all keep this aside and work together to make PyCon India better; >> after all, that is our goal. >> > > There wouldn't be any PyCon India for long if there is no next generation > to take the baton. > And if we shoo away valued members like Shashank with these curt remarks, > we will lose our valued members. > Just to reiterate, nobody was shooed away. It was just a mis-communication. In all this discussion its PyCon India which is getting impacted. Thanks, Vanitha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vani.pree at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 03:59:13 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:29:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 14 January 2018 at 14:21, Bibhas Ch Debnath wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam > wrote: > >> >> >> On 14 January 2018 at 00:09, Sanyam Khurana >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > A few stats below. >>> > We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >>> > volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >>> > things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the >>> mailing list >>> > for all meetings conducted so far this year. >>> > >>> > Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >>> any >>> > updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >>> 2018 >>> > website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >>> Since >>> > this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the other >>> > required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos >>> as even >>> > the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >>> >>> First, `merge` and `deploy` are two different things. I agree that it >>> could have been deployed by someone and then later we realized that >>> blog also get deployed. >> >> >>> The first PR I see is a blog post and second one is just a CSS change. >>> If it create a `chaos`, why am I unable to see any comments on the >>> merged PR for the same? >>> >>> Was this issue bought up anywhere? >>> >> >> Answered this to Bibhas. Just for everyone's information here, last year >> no discussion brought up in mailing list and nobody apart from Delhi team >> were aware of what was happening unless u join the telegram group. This >> year, we are trying to be transparent and keeping everyone updated as much >> as we can.. And everyone here ask for proof for each and every word we >> speak. Why is this difference? >> > > ?This whole thread started because one volunteer was told that he should > stop volunteering his time and then got his access removed without any > explanation. That's not transparent.? It's you who came up with an > explanation after more than a day. And as we've mentioned earlier, this > whole thread is about how he behaved with a volunteer. Many people have > pointed that the way he behaved is not the behaviour of someone who > understands community. > > > >> I do not have energy to fight with everybody here to give proof for every >> point I make. If you do not have trust, I cant help. >> > > Community is not trusting the core team. That's what you should notice > here. > Sure, am one of the core volunteers this year. I do not want to work in a place where there is no trust. Please consider this as my formal email to give up being a core volunteer for PyCon India 2018. Request the volunteers who can build trust with the whole community to take this year PyCon India forward. Thanks for all your valuable inputs. I rest my case. Thanks, Vanitha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 05:15:11 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:45:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: > > > >> I do not have energy to fight with everybody here to give proof for every >> point I make. If you do not have trust, I cant help. >> > > Community is not trusting the core team. That's what you should notice > here. > > Hi All, I did not have any bad intention of stopping anyone from volunteering neither did I feel that am above the community. As said earlier, I could have handled the situation better. Am sorry if I have hurt anybody by mistake, it was not intentional. Anyways, I would like to formally step down from core team of PyCon India 2018. Request community to choose the members whom they trust. Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blucalvin at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 10:05:14 2018 From: blucalvin at gmail.com (Haris Ibrahim K. V.) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:35:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 14 January 2018 at 15:45, vijay kumar wrote: >> >>> >>> I do not have energy to fight with everybody here to give proof for every >>> point I make. If you do not have trust, I cant help. >> >> >> Community is not trusting the core team. That's what you should notice >> here. First of all, let me invalidate this statement by saying - I trust you Vijay, and Vanitha. Since I am a part of this community as well, whoever said that statement is wrong. > > Hi All, > > I did not have any bad intention of stopping anyone from volunteering > neither did I feel that am above the community. As said earlier, I could > have handled the situation better. Am sorry if I have hurt anybody by > mistake, it was not intentional. > > Anyways, I would like to formally step down from core team of PyCon India > 2018. Request community to choose the members whom they trust. Let's not mistake my reply for anything other than trying to fix this situation that we have gotten ourselves into. Now, this whole thread obviously started with Vijay's reply on a PR that Shashank felt was uncalled for. I'm not getting into the right or wrongs of merging / reviewing / approving PRs and stuff, but what I want to emphasize is that a lot of people did see what had happened and empathized with Sashank. To be clear, I do too. Now Vijay, We've known each other and worked with each other for a little bit at least. And I've chats with you where you've explained to me in detail about how you took PyCon India to greater heights from year to year. That was completely on the foundation of you seeing and understanding what wrong in the previous years, and fixing them, and pushing yourself harder to make the conference better. The way I see it, this incident that happened is no different. When a lot of people could see the problem from Shashank's perspective, that means there is something which you did that didn't have the best outcome. I am sure a lot of people pointed out what it was, but I am sure you can understand it better than anyone else. Was the problem from your side that you didn't accept his approval? Was it that some broke the rule of contributions? Was it that someone got too excited and jumped the gun? Or was it maybe even the case where you had good intentions, but when you put it down in words, it sounded harsh / uncalled for? (Please don't argue about this anymore). Just as I said above, you've fixed the problems the conference had and have improved it and grown it a lot. In that light, you already do realize that no matter who you are, people will have flaws given any moment and any time. Unless you think you are perfect (which if any of us do, we are jerks), why not see that there is something that this situation is showing you to improve on? Now that you have already apologized, and clearly said it was not intentional, it is something that all of us have to accept and believe that it won't happen again in the future, and mend the bent (not broken) bonds. However, whether you want to volunteer or not to make this conference is completely upto you. But I for one, trust you, and know that you, with your experience and dedication that you've shown in the past, can make this a memorable event. If there is anything I or we can do to make you change your mind, please let us know. Vanitha, While you were not directly involved in the problem that started this thread, as I already said, I've worked with you and experienced myself how much I can trust you to take care of things. I am not even talking from an "inspirational or positive trust everybody" perspective, but I've experienced it myself. As I told Vijay, it is upto you whether you want to volunteer to make this conference happen. But I have faith in you, and I am sure we can do a great job together. Again, If there is anything I or we can do to make you change your mind, please let us know. *** To end my rant, for me personally, PyCon India has been more than rules, regulations, laws, bureaucracy, politics and what not. For me what defines PyCon India was when last year when my flight landed in the morning and my accommodation didn't work out, Sahil and Rajat taking the time and the effort to take me to a 24/7 and buying me Kulcha + hot chai. For me, it has been about Chandan or Numan bringing me a glass of water without me asking when I sat down tired at Nimhans. For me, it has been about Vijay, Vanitha and each and every one of the volunteers (I'll someday put down every volunteers' name and the experience I had with them later on) that I've worked with enquiring if each other had eaten food and taking up responsibilities to let them eat. This restores faith in humanity and despite what some people may say, that is what I see in the community. It is not about any individual and it is not about any laws or rules or regulations. It is about good will, trust, help, understanding, growth, learning and being inclusive. Now, the question is, do we leave this situation like it is right now, or do we shake hands, let each others know that we got worked up and threw a lot of words at each other which didn't really help anyone at the end? *** My apologies to Sashank. I was the one who pushed this and the last two blog posts IIRC. And I honestly felt great each time I saw the LGTM. :) Just trying my bit to help out and keep the ball rolling. I hope people find it in themselves to forgive, forget and work together. Peace out! -- Haris Ibrahim K. V. http://sosaysharis.wordpress.com @harisibrahimkv From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Sun Jan 14 10:27:25 2018 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:57:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <0040a251-0bdf-c1f9-5b78-b614c9e37935@letterboxes.org> On Sunday 14 January 2018 03:45 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > I do not have energy to fight with everybody here to give proof > for every point I make. If you do not have trust, I cant help. > > > Community is not trusting the core team. That's what you should > notice here. > > > Hi All, > > I did not have any bad intention of stopping anyone from volunteering > neither did I feel that am above the community. As said earlier, I could > have handled the situation better. Am sorry if I have hurt anybody by > mistake, it was not intentional. I have been watching this thread for a while. Rather than owning up to what was an actual mistake of treating a valuable community volunteer, you allowed this thread to drag on for more than required time. This apology unfortunately looks a bit too late and it by its wordings seems kind of half-hearted. > > Anyways, I would like to formally step down from core team of PyCon > India 2018. Request community to choose the members whom they trust. So are you trying to imply here that because you made a mistake and had to apologize you don't want to lead the team any more ? How are both of these actions related ? Or is because you have such a big ego that after having to apologize, your pride is hurt so much that you are connecting both aspects somehow? Whatever it is this is really immature behavior. Owning up to your mistake means continuing the role you are playing after owning up. Otherwise the apology is not genuine and is you are still holding own to your hurt pride/ego after that fact. Rethink. If these incidents don't make you grow mature and as a person, I guess nothing will. > > Thanks, > Vijay > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Sun Jan 14 11:05:04 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:35:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam wrote: > Hi Anuvrat, > > On 14 January 2018 at 06:54, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to >>> share some data. >>> >>> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a step >>> towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate >>> realslimshanky's contribution. >>> >>> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody here >>> is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are working for >>> PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention of >>> discouraging or stopping any from doing so. >>> >>> A few stats below. >>> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >>> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >>> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >>> list for all meetings conducted so far this year. >>> >>> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >>> any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >>> 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >>> Since this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the >>> other required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos >>> as even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >>> >> >> That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard expected >> from people who have built the community. >> >> If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a >> flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode. >> Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good image >> of the community. >> > > Just to make it clear, I did not blame any. In fact, we did not even > communicate it to realslimshanky on the chaos the merge was created since > it was the early stage. I agree there are ways to handle this. Still it is > always a good practice to wait for at least a couple of reviews and > approves before merging considering the pace we work with PyCon India > website. > No issues there. > >> >> >> >>> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >>> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing >>> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email >>> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone >>> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way >>> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things >>> will not be repeated. >>> >> >> Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is he >> too proud to apologise? >> > > What makes you think that someone else was speaking through me? > timing, content and past incidents. > You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to clarify > things here? > Yes and Yes. > I request you to not assume things, respect my opinions > I apologize. Won't happen again. > and not infer things on your own. > Can't promise not to. > >> Does he want the community to grow, or does he want the community to grow >> acknowledging him as its infallible overlord who can never commit any >> mistake. >> > > Vijay is part of this community and has helped grow this community as > well. I don't think anybody will deny that. > Indeed, and I do not dispute that either. He accepted that it was his mistake to communicate the way he did. But all > you want is a formal apology and no other words can match that. > Err, not quite. Not a formal apology. but a sincere one. And words can never match it, actions do. > > >> People like you and me would never have stayed in the community to have >> this debate had someone kicked us in this way when we were just trying to >> find our starting ground. >> >> >>> >>> Let us all keep this aside and work together to make PyCon India better; >>> after all, that is our goal. >>> >> >> There wouldn't be any PyCon India for long if there is no next generation >> to take the baton. >> And if we shoo away valued members like Shashank with these curt remarks, >> we will lose our valued members. >> > > Just to reiterate, nobody was shooed away. It was just a mis-communication. > Surely, revoking rights is not just miscommunication, it is action with prejudice. > In all this discussion its PyCon India which is getting impacted. > Agreed, discussions are hindering 2018 edition. But if we do not address these issues today, they will cripple the community and adversely effect many future editions to come. 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Whatever the eff do you mean by the words, 'dont act like a reviewer'? Next year you want entrance exams for volunteers and reviewers is it? The message you're sending our is clear. 1. Only people who show up every damn time at volunteer meetings are pure-bred volunteers. 2. Old contributors and maintainers on GitHub will have their access revoked if they approve (whatever that means in your loosely defined vocabulary) commits on GitHub. 3. If our lack of basic decency and manners is pointed out to us, we'll quit, while complaining that other communities were allowed to do what they wanted. 4. We want nothing but the best for the 10th edition of PyCon India, and while we shout at the top of our lungs about how everything we do is for the community, we could not manage a simple apology and basic tolerance required to keep the trust of the community. Shame. On Sun, Jan 14, 2018, 21:36 Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam > wrote: > >> Hi Anuvrat, >> >> On 14 January 2018 at 06:54, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to >>>> share some data. >>>> >>>> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a >>>> step towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate >>>> realslimshanky's contribution. >>>> >>>> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody >>>> here is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are >>>> working for PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention >>>> of discouraging or stopping any from doing so. >>>> >>>> A few stats below. >>>> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >>>> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >>>> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >>>> list for all meetings conducted so far this year. >>>> >>>> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >>>> any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >>>> 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >>>> Since this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the >>>> other required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos >>>> as even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >>>> >>> >>> That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard expected >>> from people who have built the community. >>> >>> If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a >>> flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode. >>> Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good >>> image of the community. >>> >> >> Just to make it clear, I did not blame any. In fact, we did not even >> communicate it to realslimshanky on the chaos the merge was created since >> it was the early stage. I agree there are ways to handle this. Still it is >> always a good practice to wait for at least a couple of reviews and >> approves before merging considering the pace we work with PyCon India >> website. >> > > No issues there. > > >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >>>> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing >>>> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email >>>> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone >>>> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way >>>> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things >>>> will not be repeated. >>>> >>> >>> Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is >>> he too proud to apologise? >>> >> >> What makes you think that someone else was speaking through me? >> > > timing, content and past incidents. > > >> You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to >> clarify things here? >> > > Yes and Yes. > > > >> I request you to not assume things, respect my opinions >> > > I apologize. Won't happen again. > > > >> and not infer things on your own. >> > > Can't promise not to. > > >> >>> Does he want the community to grow, or does he want the community to >>> grow acknowledging him as its infallible overlord who can never commit any >>> mistake. >>> >> >> Vijay is part of this community and has helped grow this community as >> well. I don't think anybody will deny that. >> > > Indeed, and I do not dispute that either. > > He accepted that it was his mistake to communicate the way he did. But all >> you want is a formal apology and no other words can match that. >> > > Err, not quite. Not a formal apology. but a sincere one. > > And words can never match it, actions do. > > >> >> >>> People like you and me would never have stayed in the community to have >>> this debate had someone kicked us in this way when we were just trying to >>> find our starting ground. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Let us all keep this aside and work together to make PyCon India >>>> better; after all, that is our goal. >>>> >>> >>> There wouldn't be any PyCon India for long if there is no next >>> generation to take the baton. >>> And if we shoo away valued members like Shashank with these curt >>> remarks, we will lose our valued members. >>> >> >> Just to reiterate, nobody was shooed away. It was just a >> mis-communication. >> > > Surely, revoking rights is not just miscommunication, it is action with > prejudice. > > > >> In all this discussion its PyCon India which is getting impacted. >> > > Agreed, discussions are hindering 2018 edition. > > But if we do not address these issues today, they will cripple the > community and adversely effect many future editions to come. > > > Peace. > -- > Anuvrat Parashar > http://anuvrat.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 13:24:46 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 23:54:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Apologies for top posting ( anyways it's not going to matter) Vijay has stepped down and tendered an apology ( in whatsoever form it is). Seeing all that went through the thread, I don't think we as a community could achieve much by extending this further. The community has apologised to Shashank and personally knowing him, he is a man of high spirits and motivation. I am sure he will understand the situation and continue to contribute in whatever form and capacity he can. The least we can do is atleast get the volunteer the rights back ( which were conferred by the community and revoked by a will of single or maybe a handful people. God knows) Let's work together towards to have a grand 10th anniversary. Peeyush On 14-Jan-2018 11:42 PM, "Jaidev Deshpande" wrote: > Apologies for top-posting, but I think we're way past mailing list > etiquette now. > > This is a case of huge egos and tiny hearts. You're rude to a volunteer > and the community apologizes on your behalf. Even at this juncture you're > not willing to see what the problem is. Then, you're being the victim and > signing off. And like Bibhas said, your answer to any point raised against > you is whataboutism. > > If you, for any reason, are discouraging any volunteer, it is unworthy of > you. The only reaction should be gratitude and no less. > > Whatever the eff do you mean by the words, 'dont act like a reviewer'? > Next year you want entrance exams for volunteers and reviewers is it? > > The message you're sending our is clear. > 1. Only people who show up every damn time at volunteer meetings are > pure-bred volunteers. > 2. Old contributors and maintainers on GitHub will have their access > revoked if they approve (whatever that means in your loosely defined > vocabulary) commits on GitHub. > 3. If our lack of basic decency and manners is pointed out to us, we'll > quit, while complaining that other communities were allowed to do what they > wanted. > 4. We want nothing but the best for the 10th edition of PyCon India, and > while we shout at the top of our lungs about how everything we do is for > the community, we could not manage a simple apology and basic tolerance > required to keep the trust of the community. > > Shame. > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018, 21:36 Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Anuvrat, >>> >>> On 14 January 2018 at 06:54, Anuvrat Parashar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam < >>>> vani.pree at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to >>>>> share some data. >>>>> >>>>> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a >>>>> step towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate >>>>> realslimshanky's contribution. >>>>> >>>>> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody >>>>> here is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are >>>>> working for PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention >>>>> of discouraging or stopping any from doing so. >>>>> >>>>> A few stats below. >>>>> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >>>>> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >>>>> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >>>>> list for all meetings conducted so far this year. >>>>> >>>>> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >>>>> any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >>>>> 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >>>>> Since this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the >>>>> other required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos >>>>> as even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard >>>> expected from people who have built the community. >>>> >>>> If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a >>>> flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode. >>>> Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good >>>> image of the community. >>>> >>> >>> Just to make it clear, I did not blame any. In fact, we did not even >>> communicate it to realslimshanky on the chaos the merge was created since >>> it was the early stage. I agree there are ways to handle this. Still it is >>> always a good practice to wait for at least a couple of reviews and >>> approves before merging considering the pace we work with PyCon India >>> website. >>> >> >> No issues there. >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >>>>> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing >>>>> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email >>>>> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone >>>>> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way >>>>> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things >>>>> will not be repeated. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is >>>> he too proud to apologise? >>>> >>> >>> What makes you think that someone else was speaking through me? >>> >> >> timing, content and past incidents. >> >> >>> You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to >>> clarify things here? >>> >> >> Yes and Yes. >> >> >> >>> I request you to not assume things, respect my opinions >>> >> >> I apologize. Won't happen again. >> >> >> >>> and not infer things on your own. >>> >> >> Can't promise not to. >> >> >>> >>>> Does he want the community to grow, or does he want the community to >>>> grow acknowledging him as its infallible overlord who can never commit any >>>> mistake. >>>> >>> >>> Vijay is part of this community and has helped grow this community as >>> well. I don't think anybody will deny that. >>> >> >> Indeed, and I do not dispute that either. >> >> He accepted that it was his mistake to communicate the way he did. But >>> all you want is a formal apology and no other words can match that. >>> >> >> Err, not quite. Not a formal apology. but a sincere one. >> >> And words can never match it, actions do. >> >> >>> >>> >>>> People like you and me would never have stayed in the community to have >>>> this debate had someone kicked us in this way when we were just trying to >>>> find our starting ground. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us all keep this aside and work together to make PyCon India >>>>> better; after all, that is our goal. >>>>> >>>> >>>> There wouldn't be any PyCon India for long if there is no next >>>> generation to take the baton. >>>> And if we shoo away valued members like Shashank with these curt >>>> remarks, we will lose our valued members. >>>> >>> >>> Just to reiterate, nobody was shooed away. 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I've decided to keep a distance from anything where he is involved. > I'm sure I'm not the only one. > > Having said that let me also say that he has his contributions to PyCon > India and the community where he deserves his share of credit. > > Given that he has led the conference for couple of years already and given > the mood around, I think it is better for new people take the leadership > and run the conference. > > What do you think? > > Anand > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Jan 15 00:13:35 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:43:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India Leadership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <844efb6f23ec588835b13c3697b5fb10@nibrahim.net.in> On 2018-01-15 04:53, Anand Chitipothu wrote: [..] > Given that he has led the conference for couple of years already and > given the mood around, I think it is better for new people take the > leadership and run the conference. I agree. I think it's a good idea to delegate more rather than centralise the way the conference is run. That way, the amount of work each of the individual people have to do will be limited to some spurts. There will be some crunch on the dates near to the conference but that's natural. If we can break down the overall responsibilities into some areas (e.g. sponsorships, CFP, Venue and food, etc.), and put have one person in charge of each one of these with enough power to make decisions, then the conference chair needs only to speak to these heads and not manage a large number of people. The thing can go on more smoothly then and no single person becomes indispensable. Sponsorships, CFPs etc. could be people from anywhere. Teams handling VEnue/food/AV equipment etc. will have to be mostly from Bangalore for practical reasons. If we can organise something like this by the end of the month, I think it should be doable. One sombre point. While this is the 10th anniversary and everyone is looking forward to be it being "awesome", this development has been like a spanner thrown in the works. Scaling the whole thing down a little and just running a good conference should, IMHO, be the priority rather than celebrating the 10th anniversary. On a personal note, this year is an especially hectic one for me for professional and personal reasons. My involvement therefore, will have to be limited. However, I can help out with speaking to people, coordinating things on the list as my time allows. One of the real responsibilities of the conference chair is to make sure that the buck stops with him or her (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_passing#%22The_buck_stops_here%22). That's a huge responsibility and not one which I'm in a position to take up. So, to take things forward, I think we should 1. Scope out the general areas which need separate leadership. 2. Find people to lead those areas 3. Find a person who's willing to be the chair 4. Make a calendar and move things forward. From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Mon Jan 15 02:44:59 2018 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:14:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India Leadership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Monday 15 January 2018 09:49 AM, TUSHAR BUDHIRAJA wrote: > agreed to uh man !! > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > The recent thread has became to too big and I would like to move the > discussion to the next course of action. > > That email thread is just a tip of the iceberg. There are many > people who got offended by such behavior from Vijay and I was a > victim a handful of times. I've decided to keep a distance from > anything where he is involved. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Yes, you are not the only one here. But over and above any specific person, I'd like to call out a few suggestions for those in the community - new and experienced people alike and anyone in between. A community works quite different from a formal organization. In a company or an organization, seniority or "experience" comes with its own set of perks - automatic chain-of-command, built-in deference and a rather wide margin for being bossy just by virtue of being in a place for a sufficiently long amount of time. A community works on an entirely different set of principles. You may have spent years doing something, but you will be respected and remembered usually on the basis of your most recent action. "Experience" automatically doesn't guarantee deference, instead your maturity in actions and way of dealing with people does. My experience and observation is that the more you keep learning as you grow older, the better you become at this. I am seeing these days how people who automatically equate their experience or position in the community with an assumed deference by others are burning their hands badly. Your position in the community is as good as your last action. Years of cultivated image can be burnt badly within a single day by an action without thought or without respect. In a community it is better if you treat everyone equally - the newcomer, the regular or the veteran. This is why communities have code of conduct - either unwritten or chartered. The attitude that I-was-here-before-you-so-what-I-say-is-more-important works sometimes but can often backfire quickly. Avoid it. A community needs to induct youngsters into its activities and lead roles or it fails to grow as a community. > > Having said that let me also say that he has his contributions to > PyCon India and the community where he deserves his share of credit. > > Given that he has led the conference for couple of years already and > given the mood around, I think it is better for new people take the > leadership and run the conference. We need to define what we mean by "new" here. A conference is never run by one person but usually by a group - a clique in practice. The clique usually develops interpersonal relations so removing just one person may end up putting this team in jeopardy. Hence this needs to be done with some care. Considering that I agree Vijay has done this for a long time and what he need now is a period of rest and introspection. Especially with this latest flare-up. I'd suggest for the current team minus Vijay to have a meeting and discuss options and suggest approaches. And discuss them in the mailing list - listen to feedback and take appropriate actions. There is a lot of experience in this mailing list in running conferences over many years. If we keep a positive mindset and let past be past we can still build a great team for the conference and try and make it the best ever. Progress. > > What do you think? > > Anand > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 04:35:23 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:05:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi All, Apologies for top posting. @Haris, thanks for trusting me but unfortunately, my decision remains same. @All, the reason for me stepping down was that community doesn't trust the PyCon India core team this year and I was part of the team. Trust is an important factor to run conferences like PyCon India and it doesn't make any sense me being a part of the team that runs the conference when the community doesn't trust me. I request all to not assume things. I also request the community to form a team and make PyCon India 2018 a great one! On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 8:35 PM, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote: > On 14 January 2018 at 15:45, vijay kumar wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I do not have energy to fight with everybody here to give proof for > every > >>> point I make. If you do not have trust, I cant help. > >> > >> > >> Community is not trusting the core team. That's what you should notice > >> here. > > First of all, let me invalidate this statement by saying - I trust you > Vijay, and Vanitha. > > Since I am a part of this community as well, whoever said that > statement is wrong. > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 14:05:52 2018 From: chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com (chandan kumar) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 00:35:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team Message-ID: Hello Anand Chitipothu, Noufal Ibrahim, Anand Pillai, Bibhas and the other members of the community, Sayan and I initially proposed to organize PyCon India's 10th anniversary in Bangalore [1]. During the initial planning phase, we had requested Bangpypers community to support [2]. We have done two face to face meetings in Bangalore and have had several hangout sessions. The minutes of the meetings were also posted to mailing lists. During the first face to face meeting at the Cafe Coffee Day near Forum Mall, Bangalore, we formed the team. We consulted Vijay and Vanitha to help in the core team. Vijay joined us as sponsorship & Python for Kids Track co-ordinator and Vanitha was helping Content, CFP, and other parts as required. The core team consisted of these 4 people to start with, apart from that, we had website, content and social media team for helping each other. We tried to keep all the discussions transparent on the mailing lists and IRC. We have done call for volunteers for every task as and when required. We wanted to follow 2014/2015 model of working and make the conference decentralized as that's how we can build future leaders for the community. Vijay laid the foundation for a decentralized way of working in the year 2014 and 2015. He always encouraged each volunteer to understand and take the responsibility to own the task end to end, provided confidence and made them comfortable. The job of core team was to support volunteers on a need basis. Under the leadership of Vijay during PyCon India 2015, we had taken PyCon India one step above and all the participants, from sponsors till attendees had something to appreciate in the event. I don't think anyone can deny that PyCon India 2015 was one of the best conferences to date. Here you can find the complete volunteers list [3]. I do not think there was transparency maintained in last two editions of PyCon India (2016 and 2017) where I and many other volunteers had helped in shaping the volunteering team on conference days. In spite of us raising concerns during PyCon India 2016 feedback sessions on bringing all the discussions in the mailing list, in 2017 edition all the discussions were taken offline through Telegram groups. Were those Telegram groups more trustworthy and transparent than this year team? All the decisions were taken by a particular group of people in their sacred Telegram groups without consulting the remaining community (makes me think of the high Priests culture). No concerns could have been raised by the community then as no community had a chance to get involved (thanks to those sacred groups of Lords and friends). Last year, even a profit-making organization was given permission to conduct hackathon without any discussion with the community. If anything would have gone wrong during the hackathon, it would have impacted the Python Community in India not a particular group of people and I am not sure if everything was analyzed before taking a call. We all saw one incident during the panel discussion, and how it was handled. We haven't even seen event report for last year from the organizers or PSSI, is not that a basic rule for the PSF grant? Where were all the folks who are commenting now when all this did not care? How would PSF trust us next time when we approach any grant? Are not we impacting whole Indian Python community with this act? There was a big discussion on Github access policy. How was the original access provided? Is it true that it was based on 1:1 Telegram discussion, as I haven't' seen any discussion here, now without the proper information he merged a request and we all spoke all policy? Can Anand C, Noufal, and Anand P share information on how original access was provided? Did you guys check if he was just reviewing? Is that really community way of working? Let me share how we all did in 2014 or in 2015. It was based on trust. Every year is a fresh start. We reconfigure access to email alias, social media, and other required locations. let us know if we misunderstood it? Coming to PSSI, they have given us n-steps on how invoices should be raised for sponsorship money, one step says they are the only people to share invoice as they are the statutorily accountable for invoices. We completely understand we wanted one changed in steps Sponsorship co-ordinator will loop PSSI board while we should be sending an invoice as continuity for discussion instead of PSSI suddenly sending the invoice as a surprise. The problem is it took 5 days for PSSI treasurer to accept our proposal, but other members did not agree. Looks like PSSI even don't trust that we will do it in right spirit and they are citing like a company where marketing team's job is to find a customer and let other teams take over. Does PSSI really trust any PyCon India volunteers? And that makes me think of a very interesting point. If the people (Lords?) running PSSI are so concerned about the community, why are you not involving the community in the organization (PSSI), instead kicked everyone else out from the organization (no one allowed us to renew our memberships)? Could anyone please tell me when was the last Annual General Meeting happened? So, please do not show your concern about the community when you do not care about the community at all. In the last thread, Vijay and Vanitha stepped down and we both are in there in core team still. Yet, you have asked for a new leadership team to run PyCon India 2018 without consulting us. Looks like you and others already have a plan in place and wanted us to move away. Since this community does not trust the core volunteers and most of the people had already had some plans made, I do not think we are needed here anymore. Sayan Chowdhury and I are stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team, I hope new team members will continue the work as they want. Links: [1]. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2017-November/011249.html [2]. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2017-October/011872.html [3]. https://in.pycon.org/2015/team.html Thanks, Chandan Kumar & Sayan Chowdhury From mishraprateek197 at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 14:09:08 2018 From: mishraprateek197 at gmail.com (prateek mishra) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 00:39:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My name is prateek Mishra I am from jaypee University persuing btech from jaypee University guna I want to volunteer in social media team. On Jan 16, 2018 12:36 AM, "chandan kumar" wrote: > Hello Anand Chitipothu, Noufal Ibrahim, Anand Pillai, Bibhas and the > other members of the community, > > Sayan and I initially proposed to organize PyCon India's 10th anniversary > in > Bangalore [1]. During the initial planning phase, we had requested > Bangpypers > community to support [2]. We have done two face to face meetings in > Bangalore > and have had several hangout sessions. The minutes of the meetings were > also > posted to mailing lists. > > During the first face to face meeting at the Cafe Coffee Day near Forum > Mall, > Bangalore, we formed the team. We consulted Vijay and Vanitha to help in > the > core team. > > Vijay joined us as sponsorship & Python for Kids Track co-ordinator and > Vanitha > was helping Content, CFP, and other parts as required. > > The core team consisted of these 4 people to start with, apart from that, > we > had website, content and social media team for helping each other. We > tried to > keep all the discussions transparent on the mailing lists and IRC. We have > done > call for volunteers for every task as and when required. We wanted to > follow > 2014/2015 model of working and make the conference decentralized as that's > how > we can build future leaders for the community. Vijay laid the foundation > for a > decentralized way of working in the year 2014 and 2015. He always > encouraged > each volunteer to understand and take the responsibility to own the task > end to > end, provided confidence and made them comfortable. > > The job of core team was to support volunteers on a need basis. > > Under the leadership of Vijay during PyCon India 2015, we had taken PyCon > India > one step above and all the participants, from sponsors till attendees had > something to appreciate in the event. I don't think anyone can deny that > PyCon > India 2015 was one of the best conferences to date. Here you can find the > complete volunteers list [3]. > > I do not think there was transparency maintained in last two editions of > PyCon > India (2016 and 2017) where I and many other volunteers had helped in > shaping > the volunteering team on conference days. In spite of us raising concerns > during PyCon India 2016 feedback sessions on bringing all the discussions > in > the mailing list, in 2017 edition all the discussions were taken offline > through Telegram groups. Were those Telegram groups more trustworthy and > transparent than this year team? All the decisions were taken by a > particular > group of people in their sacred Telegram groups without consulting the > remaining community (makes me think of the high Priests culture). > > No concerns could have been raised by the community then as no community > had a > chance to get involved (thanks to those sacred groups of Lords and > friends). > Last year, even a profit-making organization was given permission to > conduct > hackathon without any discussion with the community. If anything would > have gone > wrong during the hackathon, it would have impacted the Python Community in > India not a particular group of people and I am not sure if everything was > analyzed before taking a call. We all saw one incident during the panel > discussion, and how it was handled. > > We haven't even seen event report for last year from the organizers or > PSSI, is > not that a basic rule for the PSF grant? Where were all the folks who are > commenting now when all this did not care? How would PSF trust us next > time > when we approach any grant? Are not we impacting whole Indian Python > community > with this act? There was a big discussion on Github access policy. How > was the > original access provided? Is it true that it was based on 1:1 Telegram > discussion, as I haven't' seen any discussion here, now without the proper > information he merged a request and we all spoke all policy? Can Anand C, > Noufal, and Anand P share information on how original access was provided? > Did > you guys check if he was just reviewing? > > Is that really community way of working? > > Let me share how we all did in 2014 or in 2015. It was based on trust. > Every > year is a fresh start. We reconfigure access to email alias, social > media, and > other required locations. let us know if we misunderstood it? > > Coming to PSSI, they have given us n-steps on how invoices should be > raised for > sponsorship money, one step says they are the only people to share invoice > as > they are the statutorily accountable for invoices. We completely > understand we > wanted one changed in steps Sponsorship co-ordinator will loop PSSI board > while > we should be sending an invoice as continuity for discussion instead of > PSSI > suddenly sending the invoice as a surprise. The problem is it took 5 > days for PSSI > treasurer to accept our proposal, but other members did not agree. Looks > like > PSSI even don't trust that we will do it in right spirit and they are > citing > like a company where marketing team's job is to find a customer and let > other > teams take over. Does PSSI really trust any PyCon India volunteers? And > that > makes me think of a very interesting point. If the people (Lords?) running > PSSI > are so concerned about the community, why are you not involving the > community > in the organization (PSSI), instead kicked everyone else out from the > organization (no one allowed us to renew our memberships)? Could anyone > please > tell me when was the last Annual General Meeting happened? So, please do > not > show your concern about the community when you do not care about the > community > at all. > > > In the last thread, Vijay and Vanitha stepped down and we both are in > there in > core team still. Yet, you have asked for a new leadership team to run PyCon > India 2018 without consulting us. Looks like you and others already have a > plan in place and wanted us to move away. > > Since this community does not trust the core volunteers and most of the > people > had already had some plans made, I do not think we are needed here anymore. > > Sayan Chowdhury and I are stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core > team, I > hope new team members will continue the work as they want. > > Links: > [1]. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2017-November/011249.html > [2]. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2017-October/011872.html > [3]. https://in.pycon.org/2015/team.html > > > Thanks, > > Chandan Kumar & Sayan Chowdhury > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benignbala at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 14:44:11 2018 From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 01:14:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:35 AM, chandan kumar wrote: > Hello Anand Chitipothu, Noufal Ibrahim, Anand Pillai, Bibhas and the > other members of the community, > > decentralized way of working in the year 2014 and 2015. He always encouraged > each volunteer to understand and take the responsibility to own the task end to > end, provided confidence and made them comfortable. > Until that distasteful/impolite github comment... > The job of core team was to support volunteers on a need basis. > > Under the leadership of Vijay during PyCon India 2015, we had taken PyCon India > one step above and all the participants, from sponsors till attendees had > something to appreciate in the event. I don't think anyone can deny that PyCon > India 2015 was one of the best conferences to date. Here you can find the We all agree that he has made great contributions in the past. No one refuted that. But past achievements do not automatically make someone exempt from criticisms. This current call for apology is for what happened in the last few days and the response that he has given in that specific thread. > the mailing list, in 2017 edition all the discussions were taken offline > through Telegram groups. Were those Telegram groups more trustworthy and > transparent than this year team? All the decisions were taken by a particular Of course not. Any thing other than publicly accessible means(mailing lists, IRCs) etc. should be considered bad. > chance to get involved (thanks to those sacred groups of Lords and friends). I fail to understand why criticism of an incorrect stand taken by one volunteer is now getting into "us vs them" :( If discussions happened behind "closed doors" it is bad. Doesn't matter when/which year. Doesn't matter who did it. It is bad. period. > > Let me share how we all did in 2014 or in 2015. It was based on trust. Every > year is a fresh start. We reconfigure access to email alias, social media, and > other required locations. let us know if we misunderstood it? > Was access to everyone's github removed on that day or only that specific guys ? You have been saying you were open and transparent, but organisers of the last two weren't. If that's the case, should you have not brought up the case of an "incorrect" PR acceptance in the mailing list and suggested that the access rights of that account be revoked if it happens again ? > makes me think of a very interesting point. If the people (Lords?) running PSSI uncalled for. > are so concerned about the community, why are you not involving the community > in the organization (PSSI), instead kicked everyone else out from the > organization (no one allowed us to renew our memberships)? Could anyone please > tell me when was the last Annual General Meeting happened? So, please do not > show your concern about the community when you do not care about the community > at all. > Who is this addressed to ? You had a list of people + the community in your original greeting. Do you think the community doesn't care for the language ? If that's the case, there would not have been this community :) > > In the last thread, Vijay and Vanitha stepped down and we both are in there in > core team still. Yet, you have asked for a new leadership team to run PyCon > India 2018 without consulting us. Looks like you and others already have a I am just quoting Anand B Pillai from this[1] thread I'd suggest for the current team minus Vijay to have a meeting and discuss options and suggest approaches. And discuss them in the mailing list - listen to feedback and take appropriate actions. So, looks like you missed that email. The suggestion was to have a meeting of the core team minus Vijay. Also, Anand C was referring to problems he had faced with Vijay. So, I don't understand how you arrived at your conclusion. Thanks [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2018-January/011749.html This mail seem to have taken the focus on what triggered the whole episode and so I have to add the next bunch of lines. I have not been an organiser or a formal volunteer ever. But have been participating and doing bits and pieces in every edition that's been out of Bangalore since 2009. I don't know anyone from the organising team of the last couple of years. And I don't know most of the 2015 team either. So, I am as neutral as possible here, without taking sides. But here is what I believe the core team should do 1) Come up with a list of all action items 2) Check with community if something is missed/needs modification 3) Start with the first item on list 4) Discuss how to get it done (may be IRC or even mailinglist), inform others so that they can join the discussion 5) Send minutes to list, seek opinion with a max response wait time (say 2 or 3 days) 6) Act on it (either the core team, or the sub team responsible or some ad-hoc volunteer) 6a) If core team/sub team/random volunteer does something unexpected, discuss on mailing list/IRC(inform IRC meet timings on mailing list) 7) Inform list that the action item is complete 8) Pick next item from list (created in (1)) 9) GoTo step 4 In the current incident, (6a) happened (some volunteer unexpectedly accepted a PR). The reaction was * He was asked not to volunteer * His access rights were revoked That's neither open nor transparent nor welcoming. 6a could have been properly followed. Or at least on github he could have been asked, in a polite way, to wait for a couple of more people to review before accepting it. When this point was brought up, an apology would have solved the problem. But there was none until the mail in which apology and stepping down came together. That isn't how someone who has been volunteering and co-ordinating responds. A person with such experience should have shown more patience and restraint. That didn't happen and that triggered this mess. Hop you understand. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar From maithani.aniket at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 14:59:19 2018 From: maithani.aniket at gmail.com (Aniket Maithani) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 01:29:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:14 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar < benignbala at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:35 AM, chandan kumar > wrote: > > Hello Anand Chitipothu, Noufal Ibrahim, Anand Pillai, Bibhas and the > > other members of the community, > > > > decentralized way of working in the year 2014 and 2015. He always > encouraged > > each volunteer to understand and take the responsibility to own the task > end to > > end, provided confidence and made them comfortable. > > > > Until that distasteful/impolite github comment... > > > > The job of core team was to support volunteers on a need basis. > > > > Under the leadership of Vijay during PyCon India 2015, we had taken > PyCon India > > one step above and all the participants, from sponsors till attendees had > > something to appreciate in the event. I don't think anyone can deny that > PyCon > > India 2015 was one of the best conferences to date. Here you can find the > > We all agree that he has made great contributions in the past. No > one refuted that. But past achievements do not automatically make > someone exempt from criticisms. This current call for apology is for > what happened in the last few days and the response that he has given > in that specific thread. > > > > the mailing list, in 2017 edition all the discussions were taken offline > > through Telegram groups. Were those Telegram groups more trustworthy and > > transparent than this year team? All the decisions were taken by a > particular > > > Hi Chandan, I hope you remember me as the volunteer who always *"joke" *around during the conference. The point which you have raised is quite critical that while most of the discussions were taken onto the Telegram group, I believe we need to focus on the current thread and not deviate from the topic. As I wrote in my previous email on the epic "100+ long" email thread that we should not make it* A vs B*. The past is gone! All we need to do now is think about what all we can learn from the same. I don't know if ever I have seen EMOTIONS on this mailing list but I am going to pour some of them now. I completely respect each and every volunteer who works for PyCon India. My first Pycon was Pycon 2014. Funnily enough I would say my ticket was booked by "XYZ" and my flight ticket was booked by "ABC" and that how I landed in Bengaluru for the very first time. I can get your frustration and things which are happening around. But let me tell you and for the matter [others who are in the mailing list] that this all *NOISE. *As people say "IN THE LONG RUN, NONE OF THIS WOULD MATTER" . What actually matter is the fact that we did some epic stuff e.g like running a conference. For most of the people Pycon India is just not only a conference, it's more like GEEKY HOLIDAY BONANZA for them. I am not being nostalgic but it's quite sad to see that everyone is leaving because of "X" , "Y" and "Z" . And to be honest both of the things "PR ACCEPTANCE ISSUE" and "PUTTING YOUR PAPERS DOWN" are completely unrelated thing. I mean for me it's more like : [SARCASM] : *mera bat hai, main out! toh main ghar ja * I don't know if you remember this or not but you only selected me to be the lead volunteer for MAIN HALL during PyCon 2014. And I can never forget the fact that I fell sick due to food poisoning on the second day. Courtesy [PRAWNS :P] and when I woke up I found Haris, Satya, Anuvrat standing right next to my bed in hospital. And as Noufal pointed out in his email earlier, it's about these small moments which you remember about the conference. Now coming back to the point I would say let's have face to face discussion over this put everthing on email > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Aniket Maithani www.aniketmaithani.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maithani.aniket at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 15:01:19 2018 From: maithani.aniket at gmail.com (Aniket Maithani) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 01:31:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Aniket Maithani wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:14 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar < > benignbala at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:35 AM, chandan kumar >> wrote: >> > Hello Anand Chitipothu, Noufal Ibrahim, Anand Pillai, Bibhas and the >> > other members of the community, >> > >> > decentralized way of working in the year 2014 and 2015. He always >> encouraged >> > each volunteer to understand and take the responsibility to own the >> task end to >> > end, provided confidence and made them comfortable. >> > >> >> Until that distasteful/impolite github comment... >> >> >> > The job of core team was to support volunteers on a need basis. >> > >> > Under the leadership of Vijay during PyCon India 2015, we had taken >> PyCon India >> > one step above and all the participants, from sponsors till attendees >> had >> > something to appreciate in the event. I don't think anyone can deny >> that PyCon >> > India 2015 was one of the best conferences to date. Here you can find >> the >> >> We all agree that he has made great contributions in the past. No >> one refuted that. But past achievements do not automatically make >> someone exempt from criticisms. This current call for apology is for >> what happened in the last few days and the response that he has given >> in that specific thread. >> >> >> > the mailing list, in 2017 edition all the discussions were taken offline >> > through Telegram groups. Were those Telegram groups more trustworthy and >> > transparent than this year team? All the decisions were taken by a >> particular >> >> >> > Hi Chandan, > > I hope you remember me as the volunteer who always *"joke" *around during > the conference. The point which you have raised is quite critical that > while most of the discussions were taken onto the Telegram group, I believe > we need to focus on the current thread and not deviate from the topic. As I > wrote in my previous email on the epic "100+ long" email thread that we > should not make it* A vs B*. The past is gone! All we need to do now is > think about what all we can learn from the same. > > I don't know if ever I have seen EMOTIONS on this mailing list but I am > going to pour some of them now. I completely respect each and every > volunteer who works for PyCon India. My first Pycon was Pycon 2014. Funnily > enough I would say my ticket was booked by "XYZ" and my flight ticket was > booked by "ABC" and that how I landed in Bengaluru for the very first time. > > I can get your frustration and things which are happening around. But let > me tell you and for the matter [others who are in the mailing list] that > this all *NOISE. *As people say "IN THE LONG RUN, NONE OF THIS WOULD > MATTER" . What actually matter is the fact that we did some epic stuff e.g > like running a conference. > > For most of the people Pycon India is just not only a conference, it's > more like GEEKY HOLIDAY BONANZA for them. I am not being nostalgic but it's > quite sad to see that everyone is leaving because of "X" , "Y" and "Z" . > And to be honest both of the things "PR ACCEPTANCE ISSUE" and "PUTTING YOUR > PAPERS DOWN" are completely unrelated thing. > > I mean for me it's more like : [SARCASM] : > > *mera bat hai, main out! toh main ghar ja * > > > I don't know if you remember this or not but you only selected me to be > the lead volunteer for MAIN HALL during PyCon 2014. And I can never forget > the fact that I fell sick due to food poisoning on the second day. Courtesy > [PRAWNS :P] and when I woke up I found Haris, Satya, Anuvrat standing right > next to my bed in hospital. And as Noufal pointed out in his email earlier, > it's about these small moments which you remember about the conference. Now > coming back to the point I would say let's have face to face discussion > over this put everthing on email > Aah.. I hit the sent button by mistake. I would keep it short. Let's take this through with maturity and keep up the spirits high. :) regards Aniket Maithani -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 11:21:44 2018 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:51:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Stepping down from the PyCon India 2018 core team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:35 AM, chandan kumar < chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Anand Chitipothu, Noufal Ibrahim, Anand Pillai, Bibhas and the > other members of the community, > > [...] In the last thread, Vijay and Vanitha stepped down and we both are in there > in > core team still. Yet, you have asked for a new leadership team to run PyCon > India 2018 without consulting us. Looks like you and others already have a > plan in place and wanted us to move away. > I never meant that. My apologies, if it sounded like that. When I said leadership, I meant only the chair of the conference. Whatever I've said is not because I don't like the person, but because of his actions. I can share many incidents, each which is probably more serious than the one that is discussed in the mailing list. But my point is not to prove someone is bad or wrong. I was offended many times with his actions and behaviour and I know many other people who got offended the same way. IMHO such behaviour is not appropriate and it is better for the community to have someone else lead the conference. I request you to stay back and make PyCon India 2018 a great event. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, if you Chandan and Sayan are leaving because you think I don't trust you guys, I ask you to reconsider. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vani.pree at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 08:43:13 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:13:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi Anuvrat, On 14 January 2018 at 21:35, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam > wrote: > >> Hi Anuvrat, >> >> On 14 January 2018 at 06:54, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to >>>> share some data. >>>> >>>> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a >>>> step towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate >>>> realslimshanky's contribution. >>>> >>>> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody >>>> here is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are >>>> working for PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention >>>> of discouraging or stopping any from doing so. >>>> >>>> A few stats below. >>>> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >>>> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >>>> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >>>> list for all meetings conducted so far this year. >>>> >>>> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >>>> any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >>>> 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >>>> Since this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the >>>> other required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos >>>> as even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >>>> >>> >>> That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard expected >>> from people who have built the community. >>> >>> If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a >>> flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode. >>> Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good >>> image of the community. >>> >> >> Just to make it clear, I did not blame any. In fact, we did not even >> communicate it to realslimshanky on the chaos the merge was created since >> it was the early stage. I agree there are ways to handle this. Still it is >> always a good practice to wait for at least a couple of reviews and >> approves before merging considering the pace we work with PyCon India >> website. >> > > No issues there. > > >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >>>> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing >>>> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email >>>> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone >>>> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way >>>> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things >>>> will not be repeated. >>>> >>> >>> Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is >>> he too proud to apologise? >>> >> >> What makes you think that someone else was speaking through me? >> > > timing, content and past incidents. > Your assumptions are wrong and request you to restrain from doing that with me or anyone else in this community. Treat everybody with respect keeping your assumptions aside. Let me reiterate, I can share my views just like everybody else and I do not have to speak on behalf of someone else. > > >> You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to >> clarify things here? >> > > Yes and Yes. > I would like an explanation for this. I request you to be mindful of what you speak here. On what basis did you pass this comment? If I do not have rights to clarify things here, I would like to know the criteria on which the rights are defined and also would like you to point me to the official page where it is documented. Someone is being offensive here to an individual in the same thread where the community is talking about an offensive act. What is the community doing about this person? I wonder why nobody raised any concern neither did anyone point out Anuvrat on his behaviour. I would like an explanation from the community as well. Thanks, Vanitha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 10:58:17 2018 From: peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com (Peeyush Aggarwal) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:28:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 17-Jan-2018 7:14 PM, "Vanitha Shanmugam" wrote [...] I would like an explanation for this. I request you to be mindful of what you speak here. On what basis did you pass this comment? If I do not have rights to clarify things here, I would like to know the criteria on which the Well, since you have asked the community, I am not sure if Anuvrat is right or not. I also don't care. But I will say what I think You asked if he thinks you can write a mail on your own or not. I think you can. You are definitely writing. It was his personal opinion. The way it was everyone's in thinking what Vijay said was wrong and the way Vijay thought that what he did was well within basic etiquettes. He did not even run his mouth. Simple yes. You can show protest or simply respect his opinion as well. Your choice. As far as the clarify thingy goes, the action which was discussed was taken by Vijay. So he should have clarified his deeds. You always advocate for the deeds of others. Clarification is given by someone who needs to. So yes, you surely have all the rights to present your opinion which you definitely did. I hope even my opinion would be respected. In case this is hurting anyone, I am expressing my apologies in advance. are defined and also would like you to point me to the official page where it is documented. This reminds me, I have asked for a guidelines under which the decision of revoking Shashank's rights was taken. Waiting for it. In case you are clarifying us on the incident, definitely help me discover this document as well if you have the bandwidth for the same. Else no issues. Someone is being offensive here to an individual in the same thread where the community is talking about an offensive act. What is the community doing about this person? No idea about how "let the community decide" works. Apologies. Can't help. wonder why nobody raised any concern neither did anyone point out Anuvrat on his behaviour. I would like an explanation from the community as well. 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If I do not have > rights to clarify things here, I would like to know the criteria on which > the rights are defined and also would like you to point me to the official > page where it is documented. > > Someone is being offensive here to an individual in the same thread where > the community is talking about an offensive act. What is the community > doing about this person? I wonder why nobody raised any concern neither did > anyone point out Anuvrat on his behaviour. I would like an explanation from > the community as well. > When I read that statement, I was also surprised. But there is a chance that brevity is causing misunderstanding here. Since this statement was followed by an apology for making assumption, on second reading I took it to mean that he is affirming your right to do both those things. My two cents. Of course, Anuvrat is here and can speak for himself. Regards Abhaya -- ------------------------------------------------- blog: http://abhaga.blogspot.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/abhaga ------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vani.pree at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 12:25:46 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:55:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 17 January 2018 at 21:28, Peeyush Aggarwal wrote: > > > On 17-Jan-2018 7:14 PM, "Vanitha Shanmugam" wrote > > [...] > I would like an explanation for this. I request you to be mindful of what > you speak here. On what basis did you pass this comment? If I do not have > rights to clarify things here, I would like to know the criteria on which > the > > > Well, since you have asked the community, I am not sure if Anuvrat is > right or not. I also don't care. But I will say what I think > > You asked if he thinks you can write a mail on your own or not. I think > you can. > May I request you to read the email again. I never asked 'if I "can" write'. Request you not to read what you want but what is in the email actually. > You are definitely writing. It was his personal opinion. > As a core team member, I clarified things. Once again, request you to read all my emails in this thread if you want more details. > The way it was everyone's in thinking what Vijay said was wrong and the > way Vijay thought that what he did was well within basic etiquettes. He did > not even run his mouth. Simple yes. You can show protest or simply respect > his opinion as well. Your choice. > > As far as the clarify thingy goes, the action which was discussed was > taken by Vijay. So he should have clarified his deeds. > > You always advocate for the deeds of others. > May I ask how you came up to this conclusion that I 'always' advocate for other's deeds? First of all, I don't know you and you pass such a comment! Please mind your words. > Clarification is given by someone who needs to. > If thats the case, you should not clarify when I had requested Anuvrat. I never asked for an explanation from the community on Anuvrat's statements but for not reacting on his statements.Request you to read emails completely. > > So yes, you surely have all the rights to present your opinion which you > definitely did. > > I hope even my opinion would be respected. > I respect your opinions but don't pass judgement on me, you do not have rights. In case this is hurting anyone, I am expressing my apologies in advance. > Offending someone and then asking for an apology! Would seniors of this community take any actions on such behaviour to support everyone here or only a selective people will be defended by the community? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Wed Jan 17 12:43:51 2018 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 23:13:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Namaste, On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam wrote: > Hi Anuvrat, > > On 14 January 2018 at 21:35, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Anuvrat, >>> >>> On 14 January 2018 at 06:54, Anuvrat Parashar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam < >>>> vani.pree at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to >>>>> share some data. >>>>> >>>>> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a >>>>> step towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate >>>>> realslimshanky's contribution. >>>>> >>>>> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody >>>>> here is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are >>>>> working for PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention >>>>> of discouraging or stopping any from doing so. >>>>> >>>>> A few stats below. >>>>> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >>>>> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >>>>> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >>>>> list for all meetings conducted so far this year. >>>>> >>>>> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >>>>> any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >>>>> 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >>>>> Since this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the >>>>> other required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos >>>>> as even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard >>>> expected from people who have built the community. >>>> >>>> If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a >>>> flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode. >>>> Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good >>>> image of the community. >>>> >>> >>> Just to make it clear, I did not blame any. In fact, we did not even >>> communicate it to realslimshanky on the chaos the merge was created since >>> it was the early stage. I agree there are ways to handle this. Still it is >>> always a good practice to wait for at least a couple of reviews and >>> approves before merging considering the pace we work with PyCon India >>> website. >>> >> >> No issues there. >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >>>>> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing >>>>> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email >>>>> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone >>>>> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way >>>>> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things >>>>> will not be repeated. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is >>>> he too proud to apologise? >>>> >>> >>> What makes you think that someone else was speaking through me? >>> >> >> timing, content and past incidents. >> > > Your assumptions are wrong and request you to restrain from doing that > with me or anyone else in this community. Treat everybody with respect > keeping your assumptions aside. Let me reiterate, I can share my views just > like everybody else and I do not have to speak on behalf of someone else. > I have already apologized for this, in my previous response: screenshot for reference: https://imgur.com/a/ARVPg Again: I apologize. Won't happen again. > >> >> >>> You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to >>> clarify things here? >>> >> >> Yes and Yes. >> > I meant the exact opposite of what the above statement seems to indicates. My mistake. Yes: you can. and yes, you have every right. Sorry for the ambiguity it created. > I would like an explanation for this. I request you to be mindful of what > you speak here. On what basis did you pass this comment? If I do not have > rights to clarify things here, I would like to know the criteria on which > the rights are defined and also would like you to point me to the official > page where it is documented. > > > Someone is being offensive here to an individual in the same thread where > the community is talking about an offensive act. What is the community > doing about this person? I wonder why nobody raised any concern neither did > anyone point out Anuvrat on his behaviour. I would like an explanation from > the community as well. > Hope this clarifies things. > > Thanks, > Vanitha > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > Cheers -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think > you can. > May I request you to read the email again. I never asked 'if I "can" write'. Request you not to read what you want but what is in the email actually. I read this "You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to clarify things here?" Make your own judgement > You are definitely writing. It was his personal opinion. > As a core team member, I clarified things. Once again, request you to read all my emails in this thread if you want more details. Not much interested in putting that time. > The way it was everyone's in thinking what Vijay said was wrong and the > way Vijay thought that what he did was well within basic etiquettes. He did > not even run his mouth. Simple yes. You can show protest or simply respect > his opinion as well. Your choice. > > As far as the clarify thingy goes, the action which was discussed was > taken by Vijay. So he should have clarified his deeds. > > You always advocate for the deeds of others. > May I ask how you came up to this conclusion that I 'always' advocate for other's deeds? First of all, I don't know you and you pass such a comment! Please mind your words. I ain't minding my words. You here is referring an idiomatic reference. It is not directed at you in any way. The reference is to any person. I , me , the "you" and everyone else. > Clarification is given by someone who needs to. > If thats the case, you should not clarify when I had requested Anuvrat. I never asked for an explanation from the community on Anuvrat's statements but for not reacting on his statements.Request you to read emails completely I am not clarifying. I am presenting my views. > > So yes, you surely have all the rights to present your opinion which you > definitely did. > > I hope even my opinion would be respected. > I respect your opinions but don't pass judgement on me, you do not have rights. I didn't . You are free to make assumptions and interpretations. In case this is hurting anyone, I am expressing my apologies in advance. > Offending someone and then asking for an apology! Would seniors of this community take any actions on such behaviour to support everyone here or only a selective people will be defended by the community? _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anirudhastark at yahoo.com Wed Jan 17 22:58:04 2018 From: anirudhastark at yahoo.com (Kumar Anirudha) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 03:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> First, Apologies for Top posting. It?s been like a week since this thread started of what could have been a simple case of miscommunication and be handled swiftly and quitely. Most of the people here, I?ve met at various editions of PyCon India. Chandan and Sayan amongst others are amongst the most cool headed guys I?ve ever met personally.?What we all can agree is that we want a great PyCon India 2018. For that to happen, the only people who were working hard towards it, after their day job and everything have now withdrawn. As of now, nobody?s working for PyCon India 2018. I myself was trying to contribute and volunteer on multiple fronts with as much time as I can make for it and now have lost all interest in entirety towards it. A lot of apologies and accusations have been made already. Please, let this thread be stopped now.?This is not contributing towards anything positive and only increases hatred. I believe we?re smart enough to understand the difference. Personally, I?d request Chandan, Sayan, Vijay and Vanitha to reconsider their decisions and resume their roles. We can have an e-meeting on Bluejeans or Zoom, led by Chandan as usual and anybody who still has problem with them leading can come up and speak out instead of wasting any more of our time. It?s just disappointing to see all this fall apart like this. CheersKumar Anirudha On Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 11:16 PM, Peeyush Aggarwal wrote: On 17-Jan-2018 10:56 PM, "Vanitha Shanmugam" wrote: On 17 January 2018 at 21:28, Peeyush Aggarwal wrote: On 17-Jan-2018 7:14 PM, "Vanitha Shanmugam" wrote? [...]I would like an explanation for this. I request you to be mindful of what you speak here. On what basis did you pass this comment? If I do not have rights to clarify things here, I would like to know the criteria on which the? Well, since you have asked the community, I am not sure if Anuvrat is right or not. I also don't care. But I will say what I think You asked if he thinks you can write a mail on your own or not. I think you can. May I request you to read the email again. I never asked 'if I "can" write'. Request you not to read what you want but what is in the email actually. I read this "You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to clarify things here?" Make your own judgement ? You are definitely writing. It was his personal opinion. As a core team member, I clarified things. Once again, request you to read all my emails in this thread if you want more details.? Not much interested in putting that time. ? The way it was everyone's in thinking what Vijay said was wrong and the way Vijay thought that what he did was well within basic etiquettes. He did not even run his mouth. Simple yes. You can show protest or simply respect his opinion as well. Your choice. As far as the clarify thingy goes, the action which was discussed was taken by Vijay. So he should have clarified his deeds. ? You always advocate for the deeds of others. May I ask how you came up to this conclusion that I 'always' advocate for other's deeds? First of all, I don't know you and you pass such a comment! Please mind your words. I ain't minding my words. You here is referring an idiomatic reference. It is not directed at you in any way. The reference is to any person. I , me , the "you" and everyone else. ? Clarification is given by someone who needs to. If thats the case, you should not clarify when I had requested Anuvrat. I never asked for an explanation from the community on Anuvrat's statements but for not reacting on his statements.Request you to read emails completely I am not clarifying. I am presenting my views. ? So yes, you surely have all the rights to present your opinion which you definitely did.? I hope even my opinion would be respected. ?I respect your opinions but don't pass judgement on me, you do not have rights. I didn't . You are free to make assumptions and interpretations. In case this is hurting anyone, I am expressing my apologies in advance. Offending someone and then asking for an apology!?Would seniors of this community take any actions on such behaviour to support everyone here or only a selective people will be defended by the community?? ______________________________ _________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/ mailman/listinfo/inpycon _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ayush.kesarwani at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 00:06:32 2018 From: ayush.kesarwani at gmail.com (Ayush Kesarwani) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:36:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Kumar Anirudha via Inpycon < inpycon at python.org> wrote: > First, Apologies for Top posting. > > It?s been like a week since this thread started of what could have been a > simple case of miscommunication and be handled swiftly and quitely. > > Most of the people here, I?ve met at various editions of PyCon India. > Chandan and Sayan amongst others are amongst the most cool headed guys I?ve > ever met personally. What we all can agree is that we want a great PyCon > India 2018. For that to happen, the only people who were working hard > towards it, after their day job and everything have now withdrawn. As of > now, nobody?s working for PyCon India 2018. I myself was trying to > contribute and volunteer on multiple fronts with as much time as I can make > for it and now have lost all interest in entirety towards it. > There are many people with same concern. I got several messages/mail/calls regarding the same. People were asking is this the community behave? And having no answer to that made me worried. Think about youngster reading this thread what are they going to learn from this? Requesting everyone to please put an end to this argument. > A lot of apologies and accusations have been made already. Please, let > this thread be stopped now. This is not contributing towards anything > positive and only increases hatred. I believe we?re smart enough to > understand the difference. > > Personally, I?d request Chandan, Sayan, Vijay and Vanitha to reconsider > their decisions and resume their roles. We can have an e-meeting on > Bluejeans or Zoom, led by Chandan as usual and anybody who still has > problem with them leading can come up and speak out instead of wasting any > more of our time. > Guys please, reconsider your decision. Let's keep the spirit high again and work on making PyCon 2018 the best one. Chandan and Sayan Bhaiya please, lets have a meeting and discuss. > > It?s just disappointing to see all this fall apart like this. > +1 > Cheers > Kumar Anirudha > > Cheers Ayush Kesarwani -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajatvaidya14 at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 00:58:26 2018 From: rajatvaidya14 at gmail.com (Rajat Saini) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:28:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Ayush Kesarwani wrote: > Hi Guys, > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Kumar Anirudha via Inpycon < > inpycon at python.org> wrote: > >> First, Apologies for Top posting. >> >> It?s been like a week since this thread started of what could have been a >> simple case of miscommunication and be handled swiftly and quitely. >> >> Most of the people here, I?ve met at various editions of PyCon India. >> Chandan and Sayan amongst others are amongst the most cool headed guys I?ve >> ever met personally. What we all can agree is that we want a great PyCon >> India 2018. For that to happen, the only people who were working hard >> towards it, after their day job and everything have now withdrawn. As of >> now, nobody?s working for PyCon India 2018. I myself was trying to >> contribute and volunteer on multiple fronts with as much time as I can make >> for it and now have lost all interest in entirety towards it. >> > > There are many people with same concern. I got several messages/mail/calls > regarding the same. People were asking is this the community behave? And > having no answer to that made me worried. Think about youngster reading > this thread what are they going to learn from this? Requesting everyone to > please put an end to this argument. > +1 with the solution of Ayush, We all know people did mistakes and it is unaccepatble in community. But please put this argument to an end. This dosent give good vibes to community neither PyCon India 2018. I have read all the mails and nobody says to anyone that we dont trust you. Please dont play childish here. > > >> A lot of apologies and accusations have been made already. Please, let >> this thread be stopped now. This is not contributing towards anything >> positive and only increases hatred. I believe we?re smart enough to >> understand the difference. >> >> Personally, I?d request Chandan, Sayan, Vijay and Vanitha to reconsider >> their decisions and resume their roles. We can have an e-meeting on >> Bluejeans or Zoom, led by Chandan as usual and anybody who still has >> problem with them leading can come up and speak out instead of wasting any >> more of our time. >> > > Guys please, reconsider your decision. Let's keep the spirit high again > and work on making PyCon 2018 the best one. Chandan and Sayan Bhaiya > please, lets have a meeting and discuss. > Chandan and Sayan I know you guys a little bit as I have intracted with you guys in PyCon India 2017 only. Please reconsider your decision guys. > >> It?s just disappointing to see all this fall apart like this. >> > +1 > +1 I believe that we are falling apart *"Captain America: United we stand. Divided we fal" *just to cheer you guys up and please get to work. > *Cheers* >> Kumar Anirudha >> >> Cheers > Ayush Kesarwani > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > Have some CocaCola guys, Cheers. -- Regards, Rajat Saini LinkedIn | Github | Website -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bbjishnu at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 03:54:29 2018 From: bbjishnu at gmail.com (JISHNU BHATTACHARYA) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:24:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi : One quick question - since joining for past few days getting these long mails. 1. How add my deck if I am interested for presentation. 2. How to work as volunteer On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Kumar Anirudha via Inpycon < inpycon at python.org> wrote: > First, Apologies for Top posting. > > It?s been like a week since this thread started of what could have been a > simple case of miscommunication and be handled swiftly and quitely. > > Most of the people here, I?ve met at various editions of PyCon India. > Chandan and Sayan amongst others are amongst the most cool headed guys I?ve > ever met personally. What we all can agree is that we want a great PyCon > India 2018. For that to happen, the only people who were working hard > towards it, after their day job and everything have now withdrawn. As of > now, nobody?s working for PyCon India 2018. I myself was trying to > contribute and volunteer on multiple fronts with as much time as I can make > for it and now have lost all interest in entirety towards it. > > A lot of apologies and accusations have been made already. Please, let > this thread be stopped now. This is not contributing towards anything > positive and only increases hatred. I believe we?re smart enough to > understand the difference. > > Personally, I?d request Chandan, Sayan, Vijay and Vanitha to reconsider > their decisions and resume their roles. We can have an e-meeting on > Bluejeans or Zoom, led by Chandan as usual and anybody who still has > problem with them leading can come up and speak out instead of wasting any > more of our time. > > It?s just disappointing to see all this fall apart like this. > > Cheers > Kumar Anirudha > > On Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 11:16 PM, Peeyush Aggarwal < > peeyushaggarwal94 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 17-Jan-2018 10:56 PM, "Vanitha Shanmugam" wrote: > > > > On 17 January 2018 at 21:28, Peeyush Aggarwal > wrote: > > > > On 17-Jan-2018 7:14 PM, "Vanitha Shanmugam" wrote > > [...] > I would like an explanation for this. I request you to be mindful of what > you speak here. On what basis did you pass this comment? If I do not have > rights to clarify things here, I would like to know the criteria on which > the > > > Well, since you have asked the community, I am not sure if Anuvrat is > right or not. I also don't care. But I will say what I think > > You asked if he thinks you can write a mail on your own or not. I think > you can. > > > May I request you to read the email again. I never asked 'if I "can" > write'. Request you not to read what you want but what is in the email > actually. > > > I read this > > "You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to > clarify things here?" > > Make your own judgement > > > > You are definitely writing. It was his personal opinion. > > > As a core team member, I clarified things. Once again, request you to read > all my emails in this thread if you want more details. > > > Not much interested in putting that time. > > > > The way it was everyone's in thinking what Vijay said was wrong and the > way Vijay thought that what he did was well within basic etiquettes. He did > not even run his mouth. Simple yes. You can show protest or simply respect > his opinion as well. Your choice. > > As far as the clarify thingy goes, the action which was discussed was > taken by Vijay. So he should have clarified his deeds. > > > > You always advocate for the deeds of others. > > > May I ask how you came up to this conclusion that I 'always' advocate for > other's deeds? First of all, I don't know you and you pass such a comment! > Please mind your words. > > > I ain't minding my words. You here is referring an idiomatic reference. It > is not directed at you in any way. The reference is to any person. I , me , > the "you" and everyone else. > > > > Clarification is given by someone who needs to. > > > If thats the case, you should not clarify when I had requested Anuvrat. I > never asked for an explanation from the community on Anuvrat's statements > but for not reacting on his statements.Request you to read emails completely > > > I am not clarifying. I am presenting my views. > > > > > So yes, you surely have all the rights to present your opinion which you > definitely did. > > I hope even my opinion would be respected. > > > I respect your opinions but don't pass judgement on me, you do not have > rights. > > > I didn't . 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URL: From bhanuvrat at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 11:38:45 2018 From: bhanuvrat at gmail.com (bhanuvrat at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:08:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: -- sent from android kindly excuse typos On 17-Jan-2018 7:13 PM, "Vanitha Shanmugam" wrote: Hi Anuvrat, On 14 January 2018 at 21:35, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam > wrote: > >> Hi Anuvrat, >> >> On 14 January 2018 at 06:54, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to >>>> share some data. >>>> >>>> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a >>>> step towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate >>>> realslimshanky's contribution. >>>> >>>> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody >>>> here is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are >>>> working for PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention >>>> of discouraging or stopping any from doing so. >>>> >>>> A few stats below. >>>> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the >>>> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other >>>> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing >>>> list for all meetings conducted so far this year. >>>> >>>> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping >>>> any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India >>>> 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this. >>>> Since this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the >>>> other required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos >>>> as even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge. >>>> >>> >>> That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard expected >>> from people who have built the community. >>> >>> If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a >>> flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode. >>> Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good >>> image of the community. >>> >> >> Just to make it clear, I did not blame any. In fact, we did not even >> communicate it to realslimshanky on the chaos the merge was created since >> it was the early stage. I agree there are ways to handle this. Still it is >> always a good practice to wait for at least a couple of reviews and >> approves before merging considering the pace we work with PyCon India >> website. >> > > No issues there. > > >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having >>>> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing >>>> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email >>>> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone >>>> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way >>>> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things >>>> will not be repeated. >>>> >>> >>> Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is >>> he too proud to apologise? >>> >> >> What makes you think that someone else was speaking through me? >> > > timing, content and past incidents. > Your assumptions are wrong and request you to restrain from doing that with me or anyone else in this community. Treat everybody with respect keeping your assumptions aside. Let me reiterate, I can share my views just like everybody else and I do not have to speak on behalf of someone else. > > >> You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to >> clarify things here? >> > > Yes and Yes. > Oops that came out wrong. Amendment: Yes you can. And yes you do have every right. I would like an explanation for this. I request you to be mindful of what you speak here. On what basis did you pass this comment? If I do not have rights to clarify things here, I would like to know the criteria on which the rights are defined and also would like you to point me to the official page where it is documented. Someone is being offensive here to an individual in the same thread where the community is talking about an offensive act. What is the community doing about this person? I wonder why nobody raised any concern neither did anyone point out Anuvrat on his behaviour. I would like an explanation from the community as well. Thanks, Vanitha _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf Pardon mail etiquettes. Typing on phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 08:17:01 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:47:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2018 - Venue and Sponsorship Details Message-ID: Hi All, As announced in the mailing list earlier, we have booked BIEC[0] for August 22nd - August 24th, 2018. Below are the payment details. Tentative cost: 14 Lakhs for 3 days Payment made: 10% : 2nd week of Dec Remaining payment: 20% : Feb 2018 20% : April 2018 50% : 1 month before the event. I would request the team leading PyCon India 2018 to connect with me so that I drop introductory email with BIEC team. On sponsorship, We reached out to all previous PyCon India sponsors We received confirmation from Pipal Academy (Associate sponsorship with 50% discount since they are supporting PyCon India from couple of years) for whom PSSI has raised invoice and I believe it was shared with the sponsor as well. Discussions were initiated by couple of other sponsors but have not received any confirmation, neither did I follow up with them after I stepped down. Request PyCon India 2018 team to connect with me if any additional details required, I would be happy to help. [0] : https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2017-December/011433.html Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 08:19:22 2018 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:49:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India Leadership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Apologies for top posting. Hi All, First of all, am not sure why this discussion was started when I had voluntarily stepped down from core team and announced that in mailing list too. Many people mentioned about being offended by me, just to remind all of them, everybody has history. It does not make sense discussing the histories and pouncing on each other when an opportunity arises; this is only going to spoil PyCon India. I request everybody here to close this discussion and concentrate on getting a new team to run PyCon India 2018. Am not going to respond to this thread further. Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am hopeful that things will be back on track soon. -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renjithsraj at live.com Sun Jan 21 22:52:26 2018 From: renjithsraj at live.com (Renjith s.raj) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 03:52:26 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Hi All, Can anybody tell me, what?s the status now for Pycon2018 india. ? I can see the some discussions are going on mailing list. But I didn?t see tge progress. Please share the progress for pycon2018. If any technical support needed in python and django. Consider me. www.djangocrew.com ________________________________ From: Inpycon on behalf of vijay kumar Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:57:06 PM To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? Hi Kumar Anirudha, Personally, I?d request Chandan, Sayan, Vijay and Vanitha to reconsider their decisions and resume their roles. We can have an e-meeting on Bluejeans or Zoom, led by Chandan as usual and anybody who still has problem with them leading can come up and speak out instead of wasting any more of our time. Thanks. I have made up my call and i think it's good for community to find leader of their choice. It?s just disappointing to see all this fall apart like this. I don't have words to express my disappointment. I am hopeful that things will be back on track soon. -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Jan 22 12:00:58 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:30:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteering (was: Is PyCon India "really open"?) In-Reply-To: (JISHNU BHATTACHARYA's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:24:29 +0530") References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87h8rdzv3p.fsf_-_@nibrahim.net.in> On Thu, Jan 18 2018, JISHNU BHATTACHARYA wrote: > Hi : > One quick question - since joining for past few days getting these long > mails. > > 1. How add my deck if I am interested for presentation. > 2. How to work as volunteer [...] It's a bad idea to reply an active and long thread with a message if you want to ask something new. Start a separate thread with a new subject and that will stick out so that people can respond separately. As for your specific questions. 1. You can upload a proposal for your talk once the CFP (call for proposals) is announced. This will happen on this list as well as other places. 2. There will be calls for volunteers in various areas on this list. You can pitch in then. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Jan 22 12:15:30 2018 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:45:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: (Renjith s. raj's message of "Mon, 22 Jan 2018 03:52:26 +0000") References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <878tcpzufh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Mon, Jan 22 2018, Renjith s.raj wrote: > Hi All, > > Can anybody tell me, what?s the status now for Pycon2018 india? I > can see the some discussions are going on mailing list. But I didn?t > see the progress. Please share the progress for pycon2018. As you can probably appreciate if you read this thread, the current situation is not very agreeable or desirable. I think it'll take a while before we can all figure out how to move things forward. > If any technical support needed in python and django. Consider me. I'm sure calls will come on the list and you can pitch in then. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From renjithsraj at live.com Mon Jan 22 12:55:31 2018 From: renjithsraj at live.com (Renjith s.raj) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:55:31 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: <878tcpzufh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> , <878tcpzufh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Thanks, hope everythng gone well Sent from my Windows 10 phone ________________________________ From: Noufal Ibrahim KV Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45:30 PM To: Renjith s.raj Cc: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? On Mon, Jan 22 2018, Renjith s.raj wrote: > Hi All, > > Can anybody tell me, what?s the status now for Pycon2018 india? I > can see the some discussions are going on mailing list. But I didn?t > see the progress. Please share the progress for pycon2018. As you can probably appreciate if you read this thread, the current situation is not very agreeable or desirable. I think it'll take a while before we can all figure out how to move things forward. > If any technical support needed in python and django. Consider me. I'm sure calls will come on the list and you can pitch in then. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vani.pree at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 04:02:25 2018 From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:32:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"? In-Reply-To: References: <89008fba-2890-407c-b4c4-1c8223f443a3@gmail.com> <87tvvql2jr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <831036213.144180.1516247884144@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Sorry for top posting. @ Haris, Thanks for trusting me. Your email reminded me of the good times during previous editions of PyCon India, thanks for penning them down. :) @ Kumar Anirudha and Ayush, Thanks for your email. Sorry to say that my decision remains and I do not have any enthusiasm or positivity left to come back after such a turn of events. Am sure PyCon India 2018 will be back on track soon. Thanks, Vanitha On 21 January 2018 at 18:57, vijay kumar wrote: > Hi Kumar Anirudha, > > >> Personally, I?d request Chandan, Sayan, Vijay and Vanitha to reconsider >> their decisions and resume their roles. We can have an e-meeting on >> Bluejeans or Zoom, led by Chandan as usual and anybody who still has >> problem with them leading can come up and speak out instead of wasting any >> more of our time. >> >> > Thanks. I have made up my call and i think it's good for community to find > leader of their choice. > > >> It?s just disappointing to see all this fall apart like this. >> > > I don't have words to express my disappointment. I am hopeful that things > will be back on track soon. > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From singhal.varun72 at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 08:47:23 2018 From: singhal.varun72 at gmail.com (Varun Singhal) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 19:17:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteering Message-ID: Hi team, I recently came to know about Pycon India 2018. I am excited to be there as a volunteer. I applied for conference and volunteering at Pycon Pune 2018 too. I am an engineering student and can provide technical help as a volunteer. Please respond with the complete procedure and information. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you want to learn more about Red Hat's cloud portfolio that includes an integrated combination of open source technologies, container platform, massively-scalable private cloud infrastructure and unified management framework from experts, do RSVP for our cloud event at below link: ~~~ https://www.redhat.com/forms/?config=23491&sc_cid=701f2000000ttV4AAI ~~~ For more details, kindly head to links mentioned here [1][2] [1] https://www.redhat.com/en/events/red-hat-hybrid-cloud-next-2018#event-tab-0 [2] https://www.redhat.com/en/events/red-hat-hybrid-cloud-next-2018#event-tab-1 *Please note that the final selection of the attendees would be done by organizers primarily based on Cloud Experience and contributions. Limited Seats Only!! * *----* Regards, Ganesh Kadam irc: gkadam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: