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wrote: > I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a license on > the github repository for the assets or the website so my understanding is > that by default, reuse is not permitted. > > I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license on > the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the > blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the > copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. > > That would solve it. Correct? > > > On 2017-11-29 13:25, vijay kumar wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I just noticed that blockchain 2017 conference team have copied PyCon >> India 2016 code, logo and design without consulting and confirming >> with PyCon India community or PSSI. Just the color, content and logo >> is changed. >> >> Referecne: http://blockchaincon.io >> PyCon India 2016 website :https://in.pycon.org/2016/ >> >> The copyrights of this website design lies with PyCon India and PSSI >> which is clearly mentioned in our website. Also we have paid for a >> vendor to get this designed. >> >> Is it right for them to do so? How should we handle this now and also >> stop this from happening going forward? >> >> -- >> >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 04:21:17 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:51:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a license on > the github repository for the assets or the website so my understanding is > that by default, reuse is not permitted. > > I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license on > the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the > blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the > copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. > -1 Am not for adding liberal license. IMO, PyCon India assets should not be used by anyone without consulting us. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 04:16:49 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:46:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Even sponsorship prospectus is copied and none of us are aware. http://blockchaincon.io/Sponsorship%20Prospectus%20-%20BlockchainCon%202017.pdf Am not sure if this is ethical. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Nitin Kumar wrote: > They have not even done copy paste properly. > As our site had a copyright mark, we can surely at least let the > blockchain organizer know about this error/mistake. > >

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> wrote: > >> I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a license >> on the github repository for the assets or the website so my understanding >> is that by default, reuse is not permitted. >> >> I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license on >> the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the >> blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the >> copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. >> >> That would solve it. Correct? >> >> >> On 2017-11-29 13:25, vijay kumar wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I just noticed that blockchain 2017 conference team have copied PyCon >>> India 2016 code, logo and design without consulting and confirming >>> with PyCon India community or PSSI. Just the color, content and logo >>> is changed. >>> >>> Referecne: http://blockchaincon.io >>> PyCon India 2016 website :https://in.pycon.org/2016/ >>> >>> The copyrights of this website design lies with PyCon India and PSSI >>> which is clearly mentioned in our website. Also we have paid for a >>> vendor to get this designed. >>> >>> Is it right for them to do so? How should we handle this now and also >>> stop this from happening going forward? >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Vijay >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sree at mahiti.org Wed Nov 29 04:36:43 2017 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:36:43 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 14:52 vijay kumar wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > >> I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a license >> on the github repository for the assets or the website so my understanding >> is that by default, reuse is not permitted. >> >> I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license on >> the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the >> blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the >> copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. >> > > -1 Am not for adding liberal license. IMO, PyCon India assets should not > be used by anyone without consulting us. > +1 for Creative commons based liberal license. - sree -- Sreekanth S R Executive Director Mahiti #6, 1st Floor, Ganesh Chambers Dodda Banaswadi Main Road, Bangalore - 560043 Location: Near the Ramamurthy Nagar Traffic Signal on the Outer Ring Road Mobile: +91-98455-12611 http://www.mahiti.org *(An ISO 9001:2008 & ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise)* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Nov 29 04:52:19 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:22:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <4C3B4138-6254-4B45-8915-028FEE3AFF80@nibrahim.net.in> I don't think we stand to gain anything from trying to enforcing this except a lot of public bad will. What's the problem with letting someone else use the design? We are a "community" thing aren't we? On 29 November 2017 14:51:17 GMT+05:30, vijay kumar wrote: >On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > >wrote: > >> I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a >license on >> the github repository for the assets or the website so my >understanding is >> that by default, reuse is not permitted. >> >> I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal >license on >> the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell >the >> blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation >of the >> copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. >> > >-1 Am not for adding liberal license. IMO, PyCon India assets should >not be >used by anyone without consulting us. > > >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at kracekumar.com Wed Nov 29 04:54:11 2017 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraj) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:24:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a license on > the github repository for the assets or the website so my understanding is > that by default, reuse is not permitted. > > I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license on > the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the > blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the > copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. > > That would solve it. Correct? +1 for liberal license. It's good sign to see new communities looking upto Python community. > > > On 2017-11-29 13:25, vijay kumar wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I just noticed that blockchain 2017 conference team have copied PyCon >> India 2016 code, logo and design without consulting and confirming >> with PyCon India community or PSSI. Just the color, content and logo >> is changed. >> >> Referecne: http://blockchaincon.io >> PyCon India 2016 website :https://in.pycon.org/2016/ >> >> The copyrights of this website design lies with PyCon India and PSSI >> which is clearly mentioned in our website. Also we have paid for a >> vendor to get this designed. >> >> Is it right for them to do so? How should we handle this now and also >> stop this from happening going forward? >> > I'd like to see welcoming approach and not to derail any volunteers effort with three week left for the conference. > >> -- >> >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards R.Kracekumar http://kracekumar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benignbala at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 05:02:07 2017 From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:32:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license on > the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the > blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the > copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. > +1 for a liberal license to all code and artifacts like images, etc. As a Python community, it makes sense for us to be altruist in nature (or simply call it supporters of Freedom) and let other communities benefit from our efforts. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Wed Nov 29 05:13:02 2017 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:43:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: <4C3B4138-6254-4B45-8915-028FEE3AFF80@nibrahim.net.in> References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> <4C3B4138-6254-4B45-8915-028FEE3AFF80@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Wednesday 29 November 2017 03:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I don't think we stand to gain anything from trying to enforcing this > except a lot of public bad will. What's the problem with letting someone > else use the design? We are a "community" thing aren't we? +1 for a Creative Commons ShareAlike License for PyCon India Assets[1]. On the plus side, I am proud someone found our site good enough to emulate. The mistake they made was not informing us, not the act of copying itself. Someone from PyCon India/PSSI should communicate to them about this, explain the situation and ask them to attribute the site to us. Move on. [1]: https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/ShareAlike_interpretation --Anand > > On 29 November 2017 14:51:17 GMT+05:30, vijay kumar > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > > wrote: > > I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a > license on the github repository for the assets or the website > so my understanding is that by default, reuse is not permitted. > > I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal > license on the pssi repositories so that others can use the > design and to tell the blockchain people that while their > initial copy over was a violation of the copyright, we've > changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. > > > -1 Am not for adding liberal license. IMO, PyCon India assets should > not be used by anyone without consulting us. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Nov 29 05:19:09 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:49:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> <4C3B4138-6254-4B45-8915-028FEE3AFF80@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <217ff8e6a3fac7f8937f6f290f4785e7@nibrahim.net.in> On 2017-11-29 15:43, Anand B Pillai wrote: > On Wednesday 29 November 2017 03:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> I don't think we stand to gain anything from trying to enforcing this >> except a lot of public bad will. What's the problem with letting >> someone >> else use the design? We are a "community" thing aren't we? > > +1 for a Creative Commons ShareAlike License for PyCon India Assets[1]. Yeah. I was undecided on whether we should add a share alike clause but given the nature of things, I suppose that's what makes the most sense. Also, considering that a lot of people have put in some amount of volunteer and paid work into doing this, we should probably add an attributions clause to the license. That way, anyone who uses the design would have to acknowledge that it was from us and the people who did the original work would get credit for their effort. Like Krace said, it's nice that people are copying it from us. After all, the sincerest form of flattery is imitation. :) From akashm14 at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 05:22:38 2017 From: akashm14 at gmail.com (Akash Mishra) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:52:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license on > the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the > blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the > copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. > +1 for going with a liberal license. Thanks, Akash -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at bibhas.in Wed Nov 29 05:23:34 2017 From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:53:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: <217ff8e6a3fac7f8937f6f290f4785e7@nibrahim.net.in> References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> <4C3B4138-6254-4B45-8915-028FEE3AFF80@nibrahim.net.in> <217ff8e6a3fac7f8937f6f290f4785e7@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: I think someone replied on Twitter - https://twitter.com/rajataaron/status/935810338611609600 > Majority of the team for @BlockchainConIo were the one who organize @pyconindia 2016 and 2017. Yes, we copied our own code. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On 2017-11-29 15:43, Anand B Pillai wrote: > >> On Wednesday 29 November 2017 03:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >>> I don't think we stand to gain anything from trying to enforcing this >>> except a lot of public bad will. What's the problem with letting someone >>> else use the design? We are a "community" thing aren't we? >>> >> >> +1 for a Creative Commons ShareAlike License for PyCon India Assets[1]. >> > > Yeah. I was undecided on whether we should add a share alike clause but > given the nature of things, I suppose that's what makes the most sense. > > Also, considering that a lot of people have put in some amount of > volunteer and paid work into doing this, we should probably add an > attributions clause to the license. That way, anyone who uses the design > would have to acknowledge that it was from us and the people who did the > original work would get credit for their effort. > > Like Krace said, it's nice that people are copying it from us. After all, > the sincerest form of flattery is imitation. :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Bibhas Debnath http://bibhas.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ayush.kesarwani at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 06:47:53 2017 From: ayush.kesarwani at gmail.com (Ayush Kesarwani) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:17:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2018 volunteer meeting on 30th Nov 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Chandan, I suggest adding calendar invite to meetings. I personally find it easy to track schedule and don't miss anything. Thanks, Ayush Kesarwani On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:20 PM, chandan kumar < chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > From the PyCon India mailing list threads, the planning for PyCon > India 2018 has already started. > We are tentatively planning to do PyCOn India durng August last week > hence we need to speed to speed up the things. > We are planning to have a video call on 30th Nov 2017 i.e. on > Thursday at 8.00 P.M. IST to 9.00 P.M. IST. > > Here is the video call link: https://redhat.bluejeans.com/1571313919/ > > Agenda: > * Finalizing venue and dates. > * Progress on ongoing tasks > 1) Website > 2) Sponsorship > 3) Kids track > > Feel free to add any other agenda I missed. > Anyone can join the meeting. > > -- > Thanks, > > Chandan Kumar > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 07:28:25 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:58:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraj wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > >> I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a license >> on the github repository for the assets or the website so my understanding >> is that by default, reuse is not permitted. >> >> I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license on >> the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the >> blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the >> copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. >> >> That would solve it. Correct? > > > +1 for liberal license. > > It's good sign to see new communities looking upto Python community. > > >> >> >> On 2017-11-29 13:25, vijay kumar wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I just noticed that blockchain 2017 conference team have copied PyCon >>> India 2016 code, logo and design without consulting and confirming >>> with PyCon India community or PSSI. Just the color, content and logo >>> is changed. >>> >>> Referecne: http://blockchaincon.io >>> PyCon India 2016 website :https://in.pycon.org/2016/ >>> >>> The copyrights of this website design lies with PyCon India and PSSI >>> which is clearly mentioned in our website. Also we have paid for a >>> vendor to get this designed. >>> >>> Is it right for them to do so? How should we handle this now and also >>> stop this from happening going forward? >>> >> > I'd like to see welcoming approach and not to derail any volunteers effort > with three week left for the conference. > We welcome people using our assets but with proper communication in prior. Nobody is intending to derail any event or any volunteers effort. The concern is somebody using PyCon India's assets and claiming copyrights on their website. The content on the website is theirs but not the website design, sponsorship prospectus, etc.. The website design, code, sponsorship prospectus are all assets of PSSI/PyCon India and nobody can claim ownership of that. I would have appreciated if they have handled this ethically. As suggested by everyone, lets add license with the clause of usage for our assets to avoid this in future. - Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We haven't put up a license >>> on the github repository for the assets or the website so my understanding >>> is that by default, reuse is not permitted. >>> >>> I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license >>> on the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the >>> blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the >>> copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. >>> >>> That would solve it. Correct? >> >> >> +1 for liberal license. >> >> It's good sign to see new communities looking upto Python community. >> >> >>> >>> >>> On 2017-11-29 13:25, vijay kumar wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I just noticed that blockchain 2017 conference team have copied PyCon >>>> India 2016 code, logo and design without consulting and confirming >>>> with PyCon India community or PSSI. Just the color, content and logo >>>> is changed. >>>> >>>> Referecne: http://blockchaincon.io >>>> PyCon India 2016 website :https://in.pycon.org/2016/ >>>> >>>> The copyrights of this website design lies with PyCon India and PSSI >>>> which is clearly mentioned in our website. Also we have paid for a >>>> vendor to get this designed. >>>> >>>> Is it right for them to do so? How should we handle this now and also >>>> stop this from happening going forward? >>>> >>> >> I'd like to see welcoming approach and not to derail any volunteers >> effort with three week left for the conference. >> > > We welcome people using our assets but with proper communication in prior. > Nobody is intending to derail any event or any volunteers effort. > > The concern is somebody using PyCon India's assets and claiming copyrights > on their website. The content on the website is theirs but not the website > design, sponsorship prospectus, etc.. > > The website design, code, sponsorship prospectus are all assets of > PSSI/PyCon India and nobody can claim ownership of that. I would have > appreciated if they have handled this ethically. > > As suggested by everyone, lets add license with the clause of usage for > our assets to avoid this in future. > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Suggest CC-by-SA license. - sree -- Sreekanth S R Executive Director Mahiti #6, 1st Floor, Ganesh Chambers Dodda Banaswadi Main Road, Bangalore - 560043 Location: Near the Ramamurthy Nagar Traffic Signal on the Outer Ring Road Mobile: +91-98455-12611 http://www.mahiti.org *(An ISO 9001:2008 & ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise)* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akshayaurora at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 07:52:36 2017 From: akshayaurora at gmail.com (qua non) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:22:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hey folks, 1) The team that is managing the Blockchaincon.io is majorly the same ones as for PyDelhi, the same people that were involved in the organizing of PyCon India 2016 & 17 We did discuss about using this, see http://paste.opensuse.org/75884512 2) Most of the work on the website and the prospectus was done by us the organizers and the volunteers, so yes it is similar. This could have been easily solved by sending a simple e-mail to the publicly available address instead a public route was chosen. Since majority of the PSSI reps are leaning towards a open license, we will be including attribution for PyCon 2017. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 17:59 vijay kumar wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraj >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm personally for being liberal with this. We haven't put up a license >>>> on the github repository for the assets or the website so my understanding >>>> is that by default, reuse is not permitted. >>>> >>>> I think the correct way to move forward is to put up a liberal license >>>> on the pssi repositories so that others can use the design and to tell the >>>> blockchain people that while their initial copy over was a violation of the >>>> copyright, we've changed the terms so that it's no longer a problem. >>>> >>>> That would solve it. Correct? >>> >>> >>> +1 for liberal license. >>> >>> It's good sign to see new communities looking upto Python community. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2017-11-29 13:25, vijay kumar wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I just noticed that blockchain 2017 conference team have copied PyCon >>>>> India 2016 code, logo and design without consulting and confirming >>>>> with PyCon India community or PSSI. Just the color, content and logo >>>>> is changed. >>>>> >>>>> Referecne: http://blockchaincon.io >>>>> PyCon India 2016 website :https://in.pycon.org/2016/ >>>>> >>>>> The copyrights of this website design lies with PyCon India and PSSI >>>>> which is clearly mentioned in our website. Also we have paid for a >>>>> vendor to get this designed. >>>>> >>>>> Is it right for them to do so? How should we handle this now and also >>>>> stop this from happening going forward? >>>>> >>>> >>> I'd like to see welcoming approach and not to derail any volunteers >>> effort with three week left for the conference. >>> >> >> We welcome people using our assets but with proper communication in >> prior. Nobody is intending to derail any event or any volunteers effort. >> >> The concern is somebody using PyCon India's assets and claiming >> copyrights on their website. The content on the website is theirs but not >> the website design, sponsorship prospectus, etc.. >> >> The website design, code, sponsorship prospectus are all assets of >> PSSI/PyCon India and nobody can claim ownership of that. I would have >> appreciated if they have handled this ethically. >> >> As suggested by everyone, lets add license with the clause of usage for >> our assets to avoid this in future. >> > > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Suggest CC-by-SA license. > - sree > -- > Sreekanth S R > Executive Director > Mahiti > > #6, 1st Floor, Ganesh Chambers > Dodda Banaswadi Main Road, > Bangalore - 560043 > Location: Near the Ramamurthy Nagar Traffic Signal on the Outer Ring Road > Mobile: +91-98455-12611 > http://www.mahiti.org > *(An ISO 9001:2008 & ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise)* > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sayan.chowdhury2012 at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 08:13:02 2017 From: sayan.chowdhury2012 at gmail.com (Sayan Chowdhury) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:43:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue for PyCon India 2018 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:23 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > Hi All, > During our last F2F meeting , we spoke on different venue available to host > PyCon India 2018. > > Below is list > 1) NIHMANS(One of the volunteer infomred it's not available sept month) > 2) BIEC: > 3) Palace ground > 4) MLR white field > 5) College(Chirst college) > > > BIEC: > > Biec is the place where lot of big conferences are happening in bangalore. > (http://www.biec.in/capacity_chart_confrence) > BIEC's convention centre provide multipe halls of capacity > (1400,700,250,100) > It also has few other smaller halls that can used as per need. > > Cost of BIEC convention centre is 4.5 L per day. (Apart from setup > cost(chairs, internet, and other things)) > > They even have multiple expo halls with 2500 + people capacity. Each expo > hall will cost us around 8 Lakh per day. > > If we plan to go with BIEC, we surely need to raise our registation fee to > minimum 3,000 - 3,500 rupee per head and find more sponsors. > > > Do share thoughts? We are going forward with BIEC as the venue. Based on the number of talks, keynotes, 3 days is the optimum so the days for the conference. The conference dates for PyCon India 2018 would be 29th, 30th, 31st of August 2018. If you have comments, please share by tomorrow 30th Nov 2017, before the Volunteers meeting. -- Sayan Chowdhury Senior Software Engineer, Fedora Engineering - Emerging Platform GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13 AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B Proud to work at The Open Organization! From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Nov 29 08:33:50 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:03:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:58:25 +0530") References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87zi751a69.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Wed, Nov 29 2017, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > We welcome people using our assets but with proper communication in prior. > Nobody is intending to derail any event or any volunteers effort. With a proper license, they won't have to communicate or tell us. That works better. > The concern is somebody using PyCon India's assets and claiming > copyrights on their website. The content on the website is theirs but > not the website design, sponsorship prospectus, etc.. > > The website design, code, sponsorship prospectus are all assets of > PSSI/PyCon India and nobody can claim ownership of that. I would have > appreciated if they have handled this ethically. It was a probably an oversight and a quick search/replace job. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt rather than question their ethics. Most of the people on the blockchain conference team are the Pycon India volunteers anyway. > As suggested by everyone, lets add license with the clause of usage > for our assets to avoid this in future. Yup. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 09:03:58 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:33:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:22 PM, qua non wrote: > Hey folks, > > 1) The team that is managing the Blockchaincon.io is majorly the same ones > as for PyDelhi, the same people that were involved in the organizing of > PyCon India 2016 & 17 > > We did discuss about using this, see http://paste.opensuse.org/75884512 > This is not an official comunication channel in first place and not all PyCon India and PSSI members are there in the telegram group where this discussion happened. This could have been solved by sending a simple mail to inpycon mailing list. > 2) Most of the work on the website and the prospectus was done by us the > organizers and the volunteers, so yes it is similar. > The website for PyCon India 2016 was designed and developed by a vendor. And additional enhancements were done by organisers and volunteers from all over India. So PyDelhi cannot claim ownership of the website. Just to make it clear, even if an individual volunteer from Delhi had done the website work all alone, it was still done for PyCon India and the copyrights still lies with PSSI and PyCon India. Anybody can re-use it but a communication is required to keep the community informed and give the credit to concerned people/community. > This could have been easily solved by sending a simple e-mail to the > publicly available address instead a public route was chosen. > Consulting community on how to take this forward was never wrong IMO. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Nov 29 09:45:23 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:15:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:33:58 +0530") References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: <87r2sh16v0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Wed, Nov 29 2017, vijay kumar wrote: [...] >> This could have been easily solved by sending a simple e-mail to the >> publicly available address instead a public route was chosen. >> > > Consulting community on how to take this forward was never wrong IMO. [...] This thread is a storm in a teacup. Let's just add the license and let the whole thing pass. We all know how hard it is to get a conference off the ground. The last thing we need is bickering about alleged copying of a website design. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From akshayaurora at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 16:55:51 2017 From: akshayaurora at gmail.com (qua non) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 03:25:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: Just to make it clear, even if an individual volunteer from Delhi had done > the website work all alone, it was still done for PyCon India and the > copyrights still lies with PSSI and PyCon India. Where is this agreement? To be constructive about this , If this is the stance of PSSI then maybe there should be a "Explicit", agreement for contributors on github. http://copyrightlaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Lesley-PDF2.pdf maybe something similar to this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benignbala at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 22:24:17 2017 From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:54:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue for PyCon India 2018 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:43 PM, Sayan Chowdhury wrote: > > We are going forward with BIEC as the venue. Based on the number of > talks, keynotes, 3 days is the optimum so the days for the conference. > The conference dates for PyCon India 2018 would be 29th, 30th, 31st of > August 2018. > > If you have comments, please share by tomorrow 30th Nov 2017, before > the Volunteers meeting. > If we go ahead with BIEC, the event ticket cost will have to be increased. The main concern with that is the affordability of the event for students. So, can we please consider some sort of discounts to students ? Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Nov 29 22:46:43 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:16:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Licensing website assets (was: Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer) In-Reply-To: (qua non's message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2017 03:25:51 +0530") References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: <87vahszavw.fsf_-_@nibrahim.net.in> On Thu, Nov 30 2017, qua non wrote: [...] > Where is this agreement? > > To be constructive about this , If this is the stance of PSSI then maybe > there should be a "Explicit", agreement for contributors on github. Yeah. I don't think there were any formal copyright transfer agreements. Strictly speaking, the assets belong to the person who actually created them and all this was done with a considerable amount of good will which is the way I'd personally like things to be. > http://copyrightlaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Lesley-PDF2.pdf maybe > something similar to this. Perhaps we should put something like this. Transfer copyright to the PSSI and then liberally license it so that others can use it with attribution. Either way, I think this is unnecessarily exaggerated and I agree with you that it should probably have been settled with a private email or two. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From rajatvaidya14 at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 00:29:42 2017 From: rajatvaidya14 at gmail.com (Rajat Saini) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:59:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2018 volunteer meeting on 30th Nov 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 for this and as I am from Delhi, I want to volunteer remotely whether it is related to website or designs. And please update the MOM here. Thanks, Rajat On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Ayush Kesarwani wrote: > Hi Chandan, > > I suggest adding calendar invite to meetings. I personally find it easy to > track schedule and don't miss anything. > > Thanks, > Ayush Kesarwani > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:20 PM, chandan kumar < > chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> From the PyCon India mailing list threads, the planning for PyCon >> India 2018 has already started. >> We are tentatively planning to do PyCOn India durng August last week >> hence we need to speed to speed up the things. >> We are planning to have a video call on 30th Nov 2017 i.e. on >> Thursday at 8.00 P.M. IST to 9.00 P.M. IST. >> >> Here is the video call link: https://redhat.bluejeans.com/1571313919/ >> >> Agenda: >> * Finalizing venue and dates. >> * Progress on ongoing tasks >> 1) Website >> 2) Sponsorship >> 3) Kids track >> >> Feel free to add any other agenda I missed. >> Anyone can join the meeting. >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> >> Chandan Kumar >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Regards, Rajat Saini Website - rajatsaini.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 01:16:43 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:46:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:25 AM, qua non wrote: > > > Just to make it clear, even if an individual volunteer from Delhi had >> done the website work all alone, it was still done for PyCon India and the >> copyrights still lies with PSSI and PyCon India. > > > Where is this agreement? > When you do volunteer work for an orgnaisation even if its NGO, legally the organisation is the first owner and in turn hold the copyright for the work. Reference link to understand copy right act of India - look for Authorship and ownership: http://copyright.gov.in/Documents/handbook.html Adding a FAQ here from the website for your reference as well: *Who is the owner of copyright in the work of a public undertaking? * In the case of a work made or first published by or under the direction or control of any public undertaking, such public undertaking shall, in the absence of any agreement to the contrary, be the first owner of the copyright therein. > > To be constructive about this , If this is the stance of PSSI then maybe > there should be a "Explicit", agreement for contributors on github. > > http://copyrightlaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Lesley-PDF2.pdf maybe > something similar to this. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaysinhp at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 01:43:24 2017 From: jaysinhp at gmail.com (Jaysinh Shukla) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 12:13:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2018 volunteer meeting on 30th Nov 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20171130064324.GA2841@altair> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:20:47PM +0530, chandan kumar wrote: > Hello, > > From the PyCon India mailing list threads, the planning for PyCon > India 2018 has already started. > We are tentatively planning to do PyCOn India durng August last week > hence we need to speed to speed up the things. > We are planning to have a video call on 30th Nov 2017 i.e. on > Thursday at 8.00 P.M. IST to 9.00 P.M. IST. > > Here is the video call link: https://redhat.bluejeans.com/1571313919/ > > Agenda: > * Finalizing venue and dates. > * Progress on ongoing tasks > 1) Website > 2) Sponsorship > 3) Kids track > > Feel free to add any other agenda I missed. > Anyone can join the meeting. > > -- > Thanks, > > Chandan Kumar > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon Due to certain priorities, I will not be able to attend this meeting. Apologies. Have a great day! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sree at mahiti.org Thu Nov 30 01:46:58 2017 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 06:46:58 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: Request that we bring this discussions to closure. Sree On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 11:47 vijay kumar wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:25 AM, qua non wrote: > >> >> >> Just to make it clear, even if an individual volunteer from Delhi had >>> done the website work all alone, it was still done for PyCon India and the >>> copyrights still lies with PSSI and PyCon India. >> >> >> Where is this agreement? >> > > When you do volunteer work for an orgnaisation even if its NGO, legally > the organisation is the first owner and in turn hold the copyright for the > work. > > Reference link to understand copy right act of India - look for Authorship > and ownership: http://copyright.gov.in/Documents/handbook.html > > Adding a FAQ here from the website for your reference as well: > > *Who is the owner of copyright in the work of a public undertaking? * > > In the case of a work made or first published by or under the direction or > control of any public undertaking, such public undertaking shall, in the > absence of any agreement to the contrary, be the first owner of the > copyright therein. > >> >> To be constructive about this , If this is the stance of PSSI then maybe >> there should be a "Explicit", agreement for contributors on github. >> >> http://copyrightlaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Lesley-PDF2.pdf >> maybe something similar to this. >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Sreekanth S R Executive Director Mahiti #6, 1st Floor, Ganesh Chambers Dodda Banaswadi Main Road, Bangalore - 560043 Location: Near the Ramamurthy Nagar Traffic Signal on the Outer Ring Road Mobile: +91-98455-12611 http://www.mahiti.org *(An ISO 9001:2008 & ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise)* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IST. > > > > Here is the video call link: https://redhat.bluejeans.com/1571313919/ > > > > Agenda: > > * Finalizing venue and dates. > > * Progress on ongoing tasks > > 1) Website > > 2) Sponsorship > > 3) Kids track > > > > Feel free to add any other agenda I missed. > > Anyone can join the meeting. > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > > > Chandan Kumar > > _______________________________________________ > > Inpycon mailing list > > Inpycon at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > Due to certain priorities, I will not be able to attend this meeting. > Apologies. Have a great day! > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I dont see these kind of companies any more at pycon India. Not sure if anyone noticed, the lowest sponsorship option for pycon India (as proposed in this thread) is more expensive than that of US Pycon. I think it is time revisit our sponsorship priorities. What does it take to get 50 companies to sponsor pycon India and connect them with the python community? Anand On Nov 26, 2017 12:09 PM, "Sayan Chowdhury" wrote: > Hi All, > > As the discussion for the venue is in progress. Let's kick off the > discussion of the sponsorship. > > During the F2F discussion in last meeting, this is the sponsorship slab: > > - We would continue to have Platinum, Gold, Silver and Associate. > - We plan to introduce two new slabs this year, Diamond and Kids sponsor. > > Here is the slab that was discussed during the meeting > 1. Diamond - 10L > 2. Platinum - 7L > 3. Gold - 5L > 4. Silver 3L > 5. Kids - 2.5L > 6. Associate - 1L > > - The Diamond sponsor would have a bunch of more facilitates, a > sponsored talk which would get more attention, maybe in the main > hall(but we need to discuss on this on more). > > - Kids Workshop sponsorship would be good to have in-kind but I don't > think we should be restricted to that. But this sponsorship would > drive the Kids Workshop and the hardware and other stuffs needed for > driving the event. > > Comment with your thoughts on this sponsorship slabs or add points > into the sponsorship slab/brochure. > > -- > Sayan Chowdhury > Senior Software Engineer, Fedora Engineering - Emerging Platform > GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13 AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B > > > Proud to work at The Open Organization! > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is a great > way to connect python companies with the community. In the best interest of > python community, we should try to maximize the number of companies that > get connected in addition to making sure we raise enough sponsorship to > meet e expenses. > > In the initial years of PyCon India, almost all sponsorships came from > small local companies, mostly because they wanted to be part of the > community. I dont see these kind of companies any more at pycon India. > > Not sure if anyone noticed, the lowest sponsorship option for pycon India > (as proposed in this thread) is more expensive than that of US Pycon. > > I think it is time revisit our sponsorship priorities. What does it take > to get 50 companies to sponsor pycon India and connect them with the python > community? > Perhaps we can conduct a survey (with a tweet?) asking what people would be willing to pay for a associate sponsorship. > Anand > > On Nov 26, 2017 12:09 PM, "Sayan Chowdhury" > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> As the discussion for the venue is in progress. Let's kick off the >> discussion of the sponsorship. >> >> During the F2F discussion in last meeting, this is the sponsorship slab: >> >> - We would continue to have Platinum, Gold, Silver and Associate. >> - We plan to introduce two new slabs this year, Diamond and Kids sponsor. >> >> Here is the slab that was discussed during the meeting >> 1. Diamond - 10L >> 2. Platinum - 7L >> 3. Gold - 5L >> 4. Silver 3L >> 5. Kids - 2.5L >> 6. Associate - 1L >> >> - The Diamond sponsor would have a bunch of more facilitates, a >> sponsored talk which would get more attention, maybe in the main >> hall(but we need to discuss on this on more). >> >> - Kids Workshop sponsorship would be good to have in-kind but I don't >> think we should be restricted to that. But this sponsorship would >> drive the Kids Workshop and the hardware and other stuffs needed for >> driving the event. >> >> Comment with your thoughts on this sponsorship slabs or add points >> into the sponsorship slab/brochure. >> >> -- >> Sayan Chowdhury >> Senior Software Engineer, Fedora Engineering - Emerging Platform >> GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13 AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B >> >> >> Proud to work at The Open Organization! >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hacker Earth was the only other one 3 years ago. > >I believe the role of sponsorship is more than fund raising. It is a >great >way to connect python companies with the community. In the best >interest of >python community, we should try to maximize the number of companies >that >get connected in addition to making sure we raise enough sponsorship to >meet e expenses. > >In the initial years of PyCon India, almost all sponsorships came from >small local companies, mostly because they wanted to be part of the >community. I dont see these kind of companies any more at pycon India. > >Not sure if anyone noticed, the lowest sponsorship option for pycon >India >(as proposed in this thread) is more expensive than that of US Pycon. > >I think it is time revisit our sponsorship priorities. What does it >take to >get 50 companies to sponsor pycon India and connect them with the >python >community? > >Anand > >On Nov 26, 2017 12:09 PM, "Sayan Chowdhury" > >wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> As the discussion for the venue is in progress. Let's kick off the >> discussion of the sponsorship. >> >> During the F2F discussion in last meeting, this is the sponsorship >slab: >> >> - We would continue to have Platinum, Gold, Silver and Associate. >> - We plan to introduce two new slabs this year, Diamond and Kids >sponsor. >> >> Here is the slab that was discussed during the meeting >> 1. Diamond - 10L >> 2. Platinum - 7L >> 3. Gold - 5L >> 4. Silver 3L >> 5. Kids - 2.5L >> 6. Associate - 1L >> >> - The Diamond sponsor would have a bunch of more facilitates, a >> sponsored talk which would get more attention, maybe in the main >> hall(but we need to discuss on this on more). >> >> - Kids Workshop sponsorship would be good to have in-kind but I don't >> think we should be restricted to that. But this sponsorship would >> drive the Kids Workshop and the hardware and other stuffs needed for >> driving the event. >> >> Comment with your thoughts on this sponsorship slabs or add points >> into the sponsorship slab/brochure. >> >> -- >> Sayan Chowdhury >> Senior Software Engineer, Fedora Engineering - Emerging Platform >> GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13 AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B >> >> >> Proud to work at The Open Organization! >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Inpycon mailing list >Inpycon at python.org >https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:46 AM, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:25 AM, qua non wrote: > >> >> >> Just to make it clear, even if an individual volunteer from Delhi had >>> done the website work all alone, it was still done for PyCon India and the >>> copyrights still lies with PSSI and PyCon India. >> >> >> Where is this agreement? >> > > When you do volunteer work for an orgnaisation even if its NGO, legally > the organisation is the first owner and in turn hold the copyright for the > work. > > Reference link to understand copy right act of India - look for Authorship > and ownership: http://copyright.gov.in/Documents/handbook.html > > Adding a FAQ here from the website for your reference as well: > > *Who is the owner of copyright in the work of a public undertaking? * > Majority of the volunteers don't even know what PSSI is. They worked for PyCon India "the event" not the org behind it. There was no undertaking that the volunteer work done was for PSSI, no agreement. If PSSI would like to claim ownership to volunteer work then please have the decency to explicitly state it in a license that people have to sign before contributing. *Why argue against adding a explicit agreement ? **This would hep both sides be clear.* In the case of a work made or first published by or under the direction or > control of any public undertaking, such public undertaking shall, in the > absence of any agreement to the contrary, be the first owner of the > copyright therein. > >> >> To be constructive about this , If this is the stance of PSSI then maybe >> there should be a "Explicit", agreement for contributors on github. >> >> http://copyrightlaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Lesley-PDF2.pdf >> maybe something similar to this. >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ayush.kesarwani at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 08:26:01 2017 From: ayush.kesarwani at gmail.com (Ayush Kesarwani) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:56:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: Request that we bring this discussions to closure. > +1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sayan.chowdhury2012 at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 08:26:15 2017 From: sayan.chowdhury2012 at gmail.com (Sayan Chowdhury) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:56:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship for PyCon India 2018 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > I've been upset with the sponsorship slabs of pycon India for a while. The > sponsorship slabs are too expensive for startups. Can you name a local > python shop that sponsored pycon India except pipal academy and zeomega in > last 2 years? Hacker Earth was the only other one 3 years ago. > > I believe the role of sponsorship is more than fund raising. It is a great > way to connect python companies with the community. In the best interest of > python community, we should try to maximize the number of companies that get > connected in addition to making sure we raise enough sponsorship to meet e > expenses. > > In the initial years of PyCon India, almost all sponsorships came from small > local companies, mostly because they wanted to be part of the community. I > dont see these kind of companies any more at pycon India. > > Not sure if anyone noticed, the lowest sponsorship option for pycon India > (as proposed in this thread) is more expensive than that of US Pycon. > > I think it is time revisit our sponsorship priorities. What does it take to > get 50 companies to sponsor pycon India and connect them with the python > community? > Apologies on my end to miss that, We will continue to have that startup slab for small companies (who have less than 10 employees) to pay 50% to join as an Associate Sponsor. -- Sayan Chowdhury Senior Software Engineer, Fedora Engineering - Emerging Platform GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13 AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B Proud to work at The Open Organization! From sayan.chowdhury2012 at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 08:27:13 2017 From: sayan.chowdhury2012 at gmail.com (Sayan Chowdhury) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:57:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship for PyCon India 2018 In-Reply-To: <6100B64E-CC58-493A-8734-A469F9ECA2F1@nibrahim.net.in> References: <6100B64E-CC58-493A-8734-A469F9ECA2F1@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I agree. I think having a 25k or 50k slab for small companies ( less than n > employees or less than n years old) would be nice. I'm not sure what perks > we can do though. The US pycon in the valley had a startup row which was a > fixed time exhibition for all the startups in a single hall. Something like > that would be nice. During the last F2F meeting, We discussed about have a Startup row. Vijay would be starting a thread on that soon. -- Sayan Chowdhury Senior Software Engineer, Fedora Engineering - Emerging Platform GPG Fingerprint : 0F16 E841 E517 225C 7D13 AB3C B023 9931 9CD0 5C8B Proud to work at The Open Organization! From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Thu Nov 30 08:34:01 2017 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:04:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: <92f012ae-fa23-8a1b-23ad-30a895ca5d6e@letterboxes.org> On Thursday 30 November 2017 06:50 PM, qua non wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:46 AM, vijay kumar > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:25 AM, qua non > wrote: > > > > Just to make it clear, even if an individual volunteer from > Delhi had done the website work all alone, it was still done > for PyCon India and the copyrights still lies with PSSI and > PyCon India. > > > Where is this agreement? > > > When you do volunteer work for an orgnaisation even if its NGO, > legally the organisation is the first owner and in turn hold the > copyright for the work. > > Reference link to understand copy right act of India - look for > Authorship and ownership: > http://copyright.gov.in/Documents/handbook.html > > > Adding a FAQ here from the website for your reference as well: > * > > Who is the owner of copyright in the work of a public undertaking? > > * > > Majority of the volunteers don't even know what PSSI is. They worked for > PyCon India "the event" not the org behind it. > > There was no undertaking that the volunteer work done was for PSSI, no > agreement. > If PSSI would like to claim ownership to volunteer work then please have > the decency to explicitly state it in a license that people have to sign > before contributing. > > *Why argue against adding a explicit agreement ? **This would hep both > sides be clear.* Valid points. It is an inclusive community. There are no *both sides* here on the ground. What happened was a small miscommunication and nothing else. There is no need at all to adopt lawyer like stance on any side. May I request you to drop the matter. Thanks. -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 09:17:43 2017 From: chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com (chandan kumar) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:47:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2018 volunteer meeting on 30th Nov 2017 In-Reply-To: References: <20171130064324.GA2841@altair> Message-ID: Hello, It is a reminder email. We will be sharp starting the volunteer meet by 8:00 P.M. (IST) Here is the hangout link: https://bluejeans.com/1571313919 Feel free to join #pyconindia IRC channel also. Thanks, Chandan Kumar From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Nov 30 09:41:57 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:11:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Copyright violation of PyCon India website by blockchain 2017 conference organizer In-Reply-To: (qua non's message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:50:08 +0530") References: <769555650c384d9eae22a26e6df39839@nibrahim.net.in>

Message-ID: <87po7zzv4a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Thu, Nov 30 2017, qua non wrote: [...] > Majority of the volunteers don't even know what PSSI is. They worked for > PyCon India "the event" not the org behind it. > > There was no undertaking that the volunteer work done was for PSSI, no > agreement. If PSSI would like to claim ownership to volunteer work > then please have the decency to explicitly state it in a license that > people have to sign before contributing. > > *Why argue against adding a explicit agreement ? **This would hep both > sides be clear.* I agree as almost all the people do on this thread. Would just adding a license to the repo solve this? The legal posing and claims of ethical breaches are completely unjustified. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Nov 30 09:43:01 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:13:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship for PyCon India 2018 In-Reply-To: (Sayan Chowdhury's message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:56:15 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87k1y7zv2i.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Thu, Nov 30 2017, Sayan Chowdhury wrote: [...] > Apologies on my end to miss that, We will continue to have that > startup slab for small companies (who have less than 10 employees) to > pay 50% to join as an Associate Sponsor. That's still high isn't it? The lowest slab would be 50k then. The intention is to increase the number of small companies being part of the event rather than making money. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org Thu Nov 30 16:57:31 2017 From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 03:27:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship for PyCon India 2018 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8655c6e5c8461b518510352a4acf0b5e.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com> On Thu, November 30, 2017 6:12 pm, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > I believe the role of sponsorship is more than fund raising. It is a > great way to connect python companies with the community. In the best > interest of python community, we should try to maximize the number of > companies that get connected in addition to making sure we raise enough > sponsorship to meet e expenses. +1 for this. One approach is the "Contributor Ticket" model. Something along the lines of https://2016.pycon-au.org/sponsors/contributor Regards, Vijay