From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 07:39:53 2016 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:09:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress for school students Message-ID: Hi All, During PyCon India 2016 open space, we discussed about conducting workshops for school students. Teaching school students might be a bit challenging as they have minimal knowledge on programming. Real time and visual results will excite them to learn programming language and try things on their own. We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to it which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students understand. Since the cost of these single board computers are less, its affordable for students to buy on their own to pursue it further. I would request everyone to share your thoughts on the same and help in building the workshop topics and content for school students. 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Workshops are for free of cost, we only look for Tutor's travel expense from college in case Tutor has to travel to a remote location. In case of any queries, please do drop mail to '*contact at pythonexpress dot in'*. Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Sun Oct 2 09:00:09 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 18:30:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress for school students In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:09:53 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87y426c3dy.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Sun, Oct 02 2016, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Since the cost of these single board computers are less, its > affordable for students to buy on their own to pursue it further. [...] When I started the Lycaeum, I spent some time wondering about making a low cost "PC" which students could use. The Raspberry PI (especially in kit form) is decent but to make it "usable", you need a monitor, keyboard and a mouse which increases cost quite a bit. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From support at twitter.com Sun Oct 2 16:25:52 2016 From: support at twitter.com (Twitter Support) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:25:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Inpycon] Case #40395336: Friendly reminder [ref:_00DA0K0A8._500G013zpHy:ref] Message-ID: Hello! Your request is still pending because we are waiting for a response from you. If you still need assistance with the issue you reported, please respond to this email within four days to let us know. Please include any additional information we may have requested. If your issue is resolved and you no longer require our support, please disregard this email. Please note that if we do not receive a response from you within four days, we will assume you no longer need assistance and your request will be closed. 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Real time and visual results will > excite them to learn programming language and try things on their own. > > We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board > computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to > it which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students > understand. > > Since the cost of these single board computers are less, its > affordable for students to buy on their own to pursue it further. > > I would request everyone to share your thoughts on the same and help > in building the workshop topics and content for school students. > > Thanks, > Vijay > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon Respected Community, I believe the idea of teaching school students is great. R.Pi is chip and mostly available in India, but, we should also consider the option of BBC Micro bit (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/the-bbc-micro-bit). Though it is not available in India, we can request the Government of India to help us in this. On the other side I believe we can also plan for the specially designed tutorials for kids using [turtle module](https://docs.python.org/3.6/library/turtle.html) of Python. Looking forward for views of the community. Many Thanks! From satishsagar83 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 02:35:24 2016 From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 12:05:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Case #40395336: Friendly reminder [ref:_00DA0K0A8._500G013zpHy:ref] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why am I getting this? 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Real time and visual results will excite them to >> learn programming language and try things on their own. >> >> We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board >> computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to it >> which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students understand. >> >> Since the cost of these single board computers are less, its affordable >> for students to buy on their own to pursue it further. >> >> I would request everyone to share your thoughts on the same and help in >> building the workshop topics and content for school students. >> > I love the idea. Basic Mathematical computations can be good way to start. Probably starting from using python as a calculator and then maybe using a library to create some simple geometrical shapes . Eventually going on to solving geometry problems from their text books. > >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > Respected Community, > > I believe the idea of teaching school students is great. R.Pi is chip > and mostly available in India, but, we should also consider the option of > BBC Micro bit (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nS > m9WnQ/the-bbc-micro-bit). Though it is not available in India, we can > request the Government of India to help us in this. > On the other side I believe we can also plan for the specially > designed tutorials for kids using [turtle module](https://docs.python.or > g/3.6/library/turtle.html) of Python. > Looking forward for views of the community. 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URL: From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org Mon Oct 3 03:31:45 2016 From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:01:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress for school students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42231ef1303d2a6a270a0396449d8857.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com> On Sun, October 2, 2016 5:09 pm, vijay kumar wrote: > Hi All, > > > During PyCon India 2016 open space, we discussed about conducting > workshops for school students. Teaching school students might be a bit > challenging as they have minimal knowledge on programming. Real time and > visual results will excite them to learn programming language and try > things on their own. > > We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board > computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to it > which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students understand. I am not exactly sure, what age group we are targetting here. For introducing students to programming, the standard approaches are 1. Turtle Graphics (pioneered by MIT) 2. Karel, the Robot (pioneered by Stanford) The turtle module is available as part of the Python standard library. Karel is nice alternative to consider, because it allows people to write programs with loops, conditions, etc. without involving math! There are many implementations of karel for Python. The one available at http://reeborg.ca/ is my favourite. It is written using Brython and runs in your browser! Regards, Vijay From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 01:42:20 2016 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:12:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress for school students In-Reply-To: <42231ef1303d2a6a270a0396449d8857.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com> References: <42231ef1303d2a6a270a0396449d8857.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Vijay Kumar wrote: > On Sun, October 2, 2016 5:09 pm, vijay kumar wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > > > During PyCon India 2016 open space, we discussed about conducting > > workshops for school students. Teaching school students might be a bit > > challenging as they have minimal knowledge on programming. Real time and > > visual results will excite them to learn programming language and try > > things on their own. > > > > We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board > > computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to it > > which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students understand. > > I am not exactly sure, what age group we are targetting here. I was thinking for kids >= 10 years. > For > introducing students to programming, the standard approaches are > > 1. Turtle Graphics (pioneered by MIT) > 2. Karel, the Robot (pioneered by Stanford) > > The turtle module is available as part of the Python standard library. > > Karel is nice alternative to consider, because it allows people to write > programs with loops, conditions, etc. without involving math! There are > many implementations of karel for Python. The one available at > http://reeborg.ca/ is my favourite. It is written using Brython and runs > in your browser! > > > Regards, > Vijay > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 01:44:02 2016 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:14:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress for school students In-Reply-To: <8c31b156-dbc9-b381-1c43-72c92277eb61@gmail.com> References: <8c31b156-dbc9-b381-1c43-72c92277eb61@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Jaysinh Shukla wrote: > On Sunday 02 October 2016 05:09 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> During PyCon India 2016 open space, we discussed about conducting >> workshops for school students. >> Teaching school students might be a bit challenging as they have minimal >> knowledge on programming. Real time and visual results will excite them to >> learn programming language and try things on their own. >> >> We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board >> computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to it >> which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students understand. >> >> Since the cost of these single board computers are less, its affordable >> for students to buy on their own to pursue it further. >> >> I would request everyone to share your thoughts on the same and help in >> building the workshop topics and content for school students. >> >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > Respected Community, > > I believe the idea of teaching school students is great. R.Pi is chip > and mostly available in India, but, we should also consider the option of > BBC Micro bit (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nS > m9WnQ/the-bbc-micro-bit). Though it is not available in India, we can > request the Government of India to help us in this. > On the other side I believe we can also plan for the specially > designed tutorials for kids using [turtle module](https://docs.python.or > g/3.6/library/turtle.html) of Python. > Looking forward for views of the community. Many Thanks! > > Micro bit is good idea but working with govt might not be easy. turtle looks good for beginner section. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Real time and visual results will excite them to learn programming language and try things on their own. >> >> We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to it which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students understand. >> >> Since the cost of these single board computers are less, its affordable for students to buy on their own to pursue it further. >> >> I would request everyone to share your thoughts on the same and help in building the workshop topics and content for school students. >> >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > Respected Community, > > I believe the idea of teaching school students is great. R.Pi is chip and mostly available in India, but, we should also consider the option of BBC Micro bit ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/the-bbc-micro-bit). Though it is not available in India, we can request the Government of India to help us in this. > On the other side I believe we can also plan for the specially designed tutorials for kids using [turtle module]( https://docs.python.org/3.6/library/turtle.html) of Python. > Looking forward for views of the community. Many Thanks! Recently I have conducted few workshops for highschool students (8th-10th). Introduced them to programming using Scratch (https://scratch.mit.edu/) then few sessions on turtle module and finally some simple experiments with ExpEYS (http://expeyes.in) where students could write few lines of code in Python and fetch data and plot graphs. This approach from interactive blocks of scratch to writing simple code in turtle module then introducing communication with hardware fetched good results. The response was amazing. Regards Praveen > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Real time and visual results will excite > them to learn programming language and try things on their own. > >> > >> We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board > computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to it > which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students understand. > >> > >> Since the cost of these single board computers are less, its affordable > for students to buy on their own to pursue it further. > >> > >> I would request everyone to share your thoughts on the same and help in > building the workshop topics and content for school students. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Vijay > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Inpycon mailing list > >> Inpycon at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > > Respected Community, > > > > I believe the idea of teaching school students is great. R.Pi is > chip and mostly available in India, but, we should also consider the option > of BBC Micro bit (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/ > 4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/the-bbc-micro-bit). Though it is not available in > India, we can request the Government of India to help us in this. > > On the other side I believe we can also plan for the specially > designed tutorials for kids using [turtle module](https://docs.python. > org/3.6/library/turtle.html) of Python. > > Looking forward for views of the community. Many Thanks! > > Recently I have conducted few workshops for highschool students > (8th-10th). > Introduced them to programming using Scratch > (https://scratch.mit.edu/) then few sessions on turtle module and finally > some simple experiments with ExpEYS (http://expeyes.in) where students > could write few lines of code in Python and fetch data and plot graphs. > > This approach from interactive blocks of scratch to writing simple code > in turtle module then introducing communication with hardware fetched good > results. > > The response was amazing. > > Praveen, Is it possible for you to share training material you used, so we use it as reference. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Real time and visual results will excite them to learn programming language and try things on their own. >> >> >> >> We can conduct python workshops with the help of low cost single board computers like Raspberry Pi, Arduino, ExpEYES or something similar to it which will be helpful in teaching and also make the students understand. >> >> >> >> Since the cost of these single board computers are less, its affordable for students to buy on their own to pursue it further. >> >> >> >> I would request everyone to share your thoughts on the same and help in building the workshop topics and content for school students. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Vijay >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Inpycon mailing list >> >> Inpycon at python.org >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > >> > >> > Respected Community, >> > >> > I believe the idea of teaching school students is great. R.Pi is chip and mostly available in India, but, we should also consider the option of BBC Micro bit ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/the-bbc-micro-bit). Though it is not available in India, we can request the Government of India to help us in this. >> > On the other side I believe we can also plan for the specially designed tutorials for kids using [turtle module]( https://docs.python.org/3.6/library/turtle.html) of Python. >> > Looking forward for views of the community. Many Thanks! >> >> Recently I have conducted few workshops for highschool students (8th-10th). >> Introduced them to programming using Scratch >> (https://scratch.mit.edu/) then few sessions on turtle module and finally some simple experiments with ExpEYS (http://expeyes.in) where students could write few lines of code in Python and fetch data and plot graphs. >> >> This approach from interactive blocks of scratch to writing simple code in turtle module then introducing communication with hardware fetched good results. >> >> The response was amazing. >> >> > Praveen, > Is it possible for you to share training material you used, so we use it as reference. > > Sure. I will share all the details. Just need a day or two, to give it a good shape. Regards Praveen > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The organizing team is being formed from volunteers as well and will make sure everyone is contacted back. There will be opportunities to join in as on-site volunteers, but this mail is going out early to give everyone a chance to make a successful PyCon for the community. Links: [1]. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSevs3A8upqpW6mhk6eJhGNCrj1NIxrWxSaX80BeraEkGgtXxA/viewform Thanks, Chandan Kumar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Oct 14 04:20:52 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:50:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (chandan kumar's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:26:24 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> I'm all for more conferences happening but I don't know if you should call it PyCon. There isn't a PyCon Pune, PyCon Delhi or PyCon Bangalore. There's just a PyCon India and it's held once a year (usually towards the end of the year around Sep). If this is a bid for PyCon India 2017 in Pune, that's one thing. If it's for another conference in Pune, wonderful but the name should, I think, be something else. On Fri, Oct 14 2016, chandan kumar wrote: > Hi all, > > While all of us are waiting for next year's PyCon India, a group of Python > community members decided to meet at the beginning of the year :) > It quickly became apparent this should also be open to the community. > Therefore, another 4 days of PyCon will be held in Pune during > February, 16-19th, 2017 so the Indian Python Community and friends can meet > again during spring. :) > > There will be 2 days of talks, and 2 days of devsprints. While the details > are still being finalized, the call for > volunteers is open. PyCon is a community conference and run by volunteers. > If you think you will > able to help out in some ways, feel free to submit your contact details in > the following form [1]. The > organizing team is being formed from volunteers as well and will make sure > everyone is contacted back. > > There will be opportunities to join in as on-site volunteers, but this mail > is going out early to give everyone > a chance to make a successful PyCon for the community. > > Links: > [1]. > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSevs3A8upqpW6mhk6eJhGNCrj1NIxrWxSaX80BeraEkGgtXxA/viewform > > Thanks, > > Chandan Kumar > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 05:05:48 2016 From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:35:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 14 October 2016 at 13:50, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > I'm all for more conferences happening but I don't know if you should > call it PyCon. There isn't a PyCon Pune, PyCon Delhi or PyCon > Bangalore. There's just a PyCon India and it's held once a year (usually > towards the end of the year around Sep). > Correct, this was the reason a conference held in New Delhi before PyCon India 2016 called as PyDelhi Conf [1]. > If this is a bid for PyCon India 2017 in Pune, that's one thing. If it's > for another conference in Pune, wonderful but the name should, I think, > be something else. It was officially declared in PyCon India 2016 Feedback session/(AGM of PSSI) that PyCon 2017 is going to held in New Delhi again. [1] : https://conference.pydelhi.org/ -- Fasih Ahmad Fakhri | Python Developer | Fedora Project | fasihahmad.github.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] pycon.org Kushal From rcyriac at redhat.com Fri Oct 14 06:15:29 2016 From: rcyriac at redhat.com (Rejy M Cyriac) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 15:45:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 10/14/2016 03:21 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: >> >> I'm all for more conferences happening but I don't know if you should >> call it PyCon. There isn't a PyCon Pune, PyCon Delhi or PyCon >> Bangalore. There's just a PyCon India and it's held once a year (usually >> towards the end of the year around Sep). >> > Correct, that is why it is not PyCon India, instead the name is PyCon > Pune. The idea > behind PyCon from the website of PyCon[1] "These Python conferences > bring together developers, application designers and business people > in the international Python communities." > By having a PyCon Pune being scheduled in the same year that we would be having a PyCon India at another location, this may set a precedent which could be followed up by Python communities in other cities of India. What might be good to analyze is that upon setting this precedent, what would be the impact, positive/negative/null, on the flagship PyCon India conference that is intended to be run annually ? Are we aware of similar multiple PyCon conferences being held in any other country in a single year ? - rejy (rmc) > [1] pycon.org > > Kushal > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > From sree at mahiti.org Fri Oct 14 06:36:19 2016 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 10:36:19 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 at 15:21 Kushal Das wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > > > > I'm all for more conferences happening but I don't know if you should > > call it PyCon. There isn't a PyCon Pune, PyCon Delhi or PyCon > > Bangalore. There's just a PyCon India and it's held once a year (usually > > towards the end of the year around Sep). > > > Correct, that is why it is not PyCon India, instead the name is PyCon > Pune. The idea > behind PyCon from the website of PyCon[1] "These Python conferences > bring together developers, application designers and business people > in the international Python communities." > > [1] pycon.org So, is it ok to have PyCon - ITPL(or HITec City) or PyCon - MyCollege, etc? -- Sreekanth S R Exec Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt Ltd +91-98455-12611 http://mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Oct 14 09:00:36 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:30:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Kushal Das's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2016 15:21:12 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Oct 14 2016, Kushal Das wrote: [...] > Correct, that is why it is not PyCon India, instead the name is PyCon > Pune. The idea behind PyCon from the website of PyCon[1] "These Python > conferences bring together developers, application designers and > business people in the international Python communities." [...] I suppose it's okay by the letter. It's just that most of the PyCons I've heard of are at the country (or greater) level and are internationally advertised and listed as such[1]. It would be quite jarring to see a PyCon Kozhikode listed there and a kozhikode.pycon.org domain name. :) Local conferences usually have names related to the place or organisation running them. I like what the Ruby people have done. They have one India wide Rubyconf every year and smaller (but regular) annual events like Garden City Ruby Conference, Deccan Ruby etc. None of them step on the Rubyconf brand name which is unofficially reserved for a national level, once a year grand event that everyone looks forward to. So that's my opinion in a nutshell. +1 for more regional conferences (especially in Pune which has a good number of active pythonistas and even hosted PyCon once before). I'd love to pitch in however I can to make it happen too. -1 for reusing the name PyCon except for the main once a year event. Footnotes: [1] http://www.pycon.org/ -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shakthimaan at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:18:36 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 21:48:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: | It would be quite jarring to see a PyCon Kozhikode listed there | and a kozhikode.pycon.org domain name. :) \-- Why? People often associate themselves with a place. If they can also associate their favorite language or technology conference with their place, it is very personal to them. This naming convention, for example, is also seen in the FUDCon events. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon?rd=FUDcon --- | I like what the Ruby people have done. They have one India wide Rubyconf | every year and smaller (but regular) annual events like Garden City Ruby | Conference, Deccan Ruby etc. None of them step on the Rubyconf brand | name \-- Actually, they do - "RubyConf India 2017", "Deccan RubyConf 2016". Prior to 2016, it was still called "GardenCity RubyConf". http://rubyconfindia.org/ http://www.deccanrubyconf.org/ http://gcrc15.doattend.com/ SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From anandology at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:24:13 2016 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:24:13 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 at 21:50 Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > | It would be quite jarring to see a PyCon Kozhikode listed there > | and a kozhikode.pycon.org domain name. :) > \-- > > Why? People often associate themselves with a place. If they can also > associate their favorite language or technology conference with their > place, it is very personal to them. This naming convention, for > example, is also seen in the FUDCon events. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon?rd=FUDcon It looks like thats not how it is traditionally done with PyCons. See http://www.pycon.org/ None of the city events listed there have PyCon prefix. Why don't we just continue the same trend? Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Fri Oct 14 12:43:44 2016 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:13:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Friday 14 October 2016 03:21 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: >> >> I'm all for more conferences happening but I don't know if you should >> call it PyCon. There isn't a PyCon Pune, PyCon Delhi or PyCon >> Bangalore. There's just a PyCon India and it's held once a year (usually >> towards the end of the year around Sep). >> > Correct, that is why it is not PyCon India, instead the name is PyCon > Pune. The idea > behind PyCon from the website of PyCon[1] "These Python conferences > bring together developers, application designers and business people > in the international Python communities." The trend for city conferences in U.S also is never to override the "PyCon" prefix. PyCon is the prefix for the nation wide conferences and has so far never been used for a city conference IMHO. If you have any doubt - why dont you take a look at the list of Python conferences in this page ? http://www.pycon.org/ You being on board PSF etc, I thought you would be more than aware of this than the general Python public. This will confuse people and cause a split in the community. Being the wrong naming this could also cause abuse of the PyCon prefix. Tomorrow someone can decide to start "PyCon " anywhere in India. > > [1] pycon.org > > Kushal > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From shakthimaan at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:44:02 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:14:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: | See http://www.pycon.org/ | | None of the city events listed there have PyCon prefix. \-- They also don't have a consistent naming either. One ends with "Camp", another with "Unconference", some end with city names while others use state names. I am sure they have their own reasons for the conference names. --- | Why don't we just | continue the same trend? \-- This has to be answered by the organizers of the conference. What works in one region, does not necessarily have to work in another. Most of the time, it has to do with what people in a given locality decide. Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From anandology at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:49:01 2016 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:49:01 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 at 22:14 Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > | See http://www.pycon.org/ > | > | None of the city events listed there have PyCon prefix. > \-- > > They also don't have a consistent naming either. One ends with "Camp", > another with "Unconference", some end with city names while others use > state names. > > I am sure they have their own reasons for the conference names. > But it is important to note all of them are consistently not using the PyCon prefix. [...] Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Fri Oct 14 12:55:13 2016 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:25:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Friday 14 October 2016 10:14 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > | See http://www.pycon.org/ > | > | None of the city events listed there have PyCon prefix. > \-- > > They also don't have a consistent naming either. One ends with "Camp", > another with "Unconference", some end with city names while others use > state names. The point I was making was not with respect to consistency in naming but about consistency in NOT using the "PyCon" prefix for local conferences. If you found an example to the contrary please point it out. > > I am sure they have their own reasons for the conference names. > > --- > | Why don't we just > | continue the same trend? > \-- > > This has to be answered by the organizers of the conference. > > What works in one region, does not necessarily have to work in > another. Most of the time, it has to do with what people in a given > locality decide. > > Regards, > > SK > -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From 7895pulkit at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:56:54 2016 From: 7895pulkit at gmail.com (Pulkit Goyal) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:26:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: I agree with the few saying PyCon Pune will be confusing. One quick point, its great that we are having a conference in Pune! Is there any need to name it PyCon. And even its right for you naming like this, if people in community are having problem, them what's the problem to rename it to PyPune meeting. Regards Pulkit Goyal On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 at 22:14 Shakthi Kannan wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu >> wrote: >> | See http://www.pycon.org/ >> | >> | None of the city events listed there have PyCon prefix. >> \-- >> >> They also don't have a consistent naming either. One ends with "Camp", >> another with "Unconference", some end with city names while others use >> state names. >> >> I am sure they have their own reasons for the conference names. > > > But it is important to note all of them are consistently not using the PyCon > prefix. > > [...] > > Anand > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > From shakthimaan at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 13:04:12 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:34:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: | But it is important to note all of them are consistently not using the PyCon | prefix. \-- Agreed. But, is that a convention or a rule? See this thread where they mention "regional PyCon conference" https://mail.python.org/pipermail/conferences/2014-June/000588.html SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Oct 14 13:26:52 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:56:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Shakthi Kannan's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2016 21:48:36 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87r37ilu3n.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Oct 14 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: [...] > Why? People often associate themselves with a place. If they can also > associate their favorite language or technology conference with their > place, it is very personal to them. This naming convention, for > example, is also seen in the FUDCon events. Sure they can. I'm just saying that PyCon hasn't been like that. Do you know of any that are named after something smaller than a country? [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Oct 14 13:30:33 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:00:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Shakthi Kannan's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:34:12 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87insultxi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Oct 14 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > | But it is important to note all of them are consistently not using the PyCon > | prefix. > \-- > > Agreed. But, is that a convention or a rule? There are no rules. It's just a convention. I'm saying that 1. The convention is deep set (although this is not a real problem). 2. It's good to not dilute the brand name of "PyCon" which is still (conventionally) a country level annual event. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shakthimaan at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 13:34:03 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:04:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <87insultxi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insultxi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: | There are no rules. \-- "PyCon" is trademarked by PSF. So, whoever uses the name will need to ask their permission. >From their 2014 e-mail, they do state that they allow both "national and regional PyCon conferences". I am not sure what is their stand now. You really need to write to PSF and ask. Best wishes, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Oct 14 13:42:09 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:12:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Shakthi Kannan's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:04:03 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insultxi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <878ttqlte6.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Oct 14 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: [...] > From their 2014 e-mail, they do state that they allow both "national > and regional PyCon conferences". I am not sure what is their stand > now. You really need to write to PSF and ask. [...] This is what Kushal mentioned too and from the text, I see no reason why they'd object. It's not about whether it's "allowed" or not. What I'm saying is that it goes against a long standing convention and that it dilutes the brand name of the larger event. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kushaldas at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 13:44:01 2016 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:14:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <878ttqlte6.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insultxi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <878ttqlte6.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > > [...] > >> From their 2014 e-mail, they do state that they allow both "national >> and regional PyCon conferences". I am not sure what is their stand >> now. You really need to write to PSF and ask. > > [...] > > This is what Kushal mentioned too and from the text, I see no reason why > they'd object. It's not about whether it's "allowed" or not. > > What I'm saying is that it goes against a long standing convention and > that it dilutes the brand name of the larger event. We are not using PyCon India brand name, instead having a new PyCon all together. We are planning to have 500-700 attendees for the conference. 2 days of talks + 2 more days full scale upstream devsprints. This event will be big enough to have PyCon in the name. Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer http://kushaldas.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Oct 14 13:59:26 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:29:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Kushal Das's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:14:01 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insultxi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <878ttqlte6.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87zim6ke0x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Oct 14 2016, Kushal Das wrote: [...] > We are not using PyCon India brand name, instead having a new PyCon > all together. That's my point. You are using the PyCon brand name. > We are planning to have 500-700 attendees for the conference. 2 days > of talks + 2 more days full scale upstream devsprints. This event will > be big enough to have PyCon in the name. That's true and if there's any country that can handle more than one PyCon it's probably India. :) But really, I've mentioned in earlier emails why I don't think you should use the PyCon name. Can you tell me why you think the name is important for you? Is it the expected size and the planned length? [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From me at kracekumar.com Fri Oct 14 14:10:22 2016 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraj) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:10:22 -0400 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insultxi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <878ttqlte6.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: [..] > > > > What I'm saying is that it goes against a long standing convention and > > that it dilutes the brand name of the larger event. > We are not using PyCon India brand name, instead having a new PyCon > all together. We are planning to have 500-700 attendees for the conference. > 2 days of talks + 2 more days full scale upstream devsprints. This event > will be big enough to have PyCon in the name. > > I am not sure how number of participants is the delimiter for the name. Local conf may attract thousands of people. > Kushal > -- > Fedora Cloud Engineer > CPython Core Developer > http://kushaldas.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraj http://kracekumar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This event will > > be big enough to have PyCon in the name. > > That's true and if there's any country that can handle more than one > PyCon it's probably India. :) > > But really, I've mentioned in earlier emails why I don't think you > should use the PyCon name. Can you tell me why you think the name is > important for you? Is it the expected size and the planned length? > I do not think expected size would be a reason here. I feel more than a brand name, PyCon means Py(python) + Con(conference), which makes the purpose of the event crystal clear to the attendees. > > [...] > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Sat Oct 15 01:43:21 2016 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 11:13:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jzm6ff.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insultxi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <878ttqlte6.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <01ea5a25-2fa7-6355-143e-f20bf17699a9@letterboxes.org> On Friday 14 October 2016 11:14 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 14 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> From their 2014 e-mail, they do state that they allow both "national >>> and regional PyCon conferences". I am not sure what is their stand >>> now. You really need to write to PSF and ask. >> >> [...] >> >> This is what Kushal mentioned too and from the text, I see no reason why >> they'd object. It's not about whether it's "allowed" or not. >> >> What I'm saying is that it goes against a long standing convention and >> that it dilutes the brand name of the larger event. > We are not using PyCon India brand name, instead having a new PyCon > all together. We are planning to have 500-700 attendees for the conference. The point here is the "PyCon" prefix. I wouldn't expect you to start "PyCon India 2" as it would be a failure from the start just cuz of the name. So this line of argument is not convincing at all. > 2 days of talks + 2 more days full scale upstream devsprints. This > event will be big enough to have PyCon in the name. Are you implying that any Python conference event which spreads over > 3 days (PyCon India duration) and expects high number of attendees can use the PyCon name ? Using that yardstick, a college Python conference in the future which can make the entire student community to gather and spread over 3-4 days could also use that prefix. Tomorrow you could have a problem -> With "PyCon ABC", "PyCon DEF"... all over the place - PSF guidelines or trademarks not withstanding as this is India. Note that this would be a bigger problem for "PyCon Pune" than "PyCon India". It would dilute the brand value of former much more than latter. Hope you understand it. > > Kushal > -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From thinrhino at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 02:53:16 2016 From: thinrhino at gmail.com (Thin Rhino) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:23:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 14 October 2016 at 15:21, Kushal Das wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > > > > I'm all for more conferences happening but I don't know if you should > > call it PyCon. There isn't a PyCon Pune, PyCon Delhi or PyCon > > Bangalore. There's just a PyCon India and it's held once a year (usually > > towards the end of the year around Sep). > > > Correct, that is why it is not PyCon India, instead the name is PyCon > Pune. The idea > behind PyCon from the website of PyCon[1] "These Python conferences > bring together developers, application designers and business people > in the international Python communities." Why cannot we have PyPune conference and end this debate? Secondly, if this is a Pune conference, why is never being discussed with the other stake holders in Pune? -- "Ship is safe at harbor but it is not made for that." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Mon Oct 17 05:53:27 2016 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:23:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <0f537579-c1c2-fd21-7d33-ac7eac3b425d@letterboxes.org> On Monday 17 October 2016 12:23 PM, Thin Rhino wrote: > > Why cannot we have PyPune conference and end this debate? > +1 > Secondly, if this is a Pune conference, why is never being discussed > with the > other stake holders in Pune? Interesting. So who are the stakeholders behind this conference ? Would be useful to know this since you are asking for volunteers. > > > -- > "Ship is safe at harbor but it is not made for that." > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 05:53:54 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:23:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Thin Rhino wrote: | Why cannot we have PyPune conference \-- In a "community" where everyone is a volunteer, whoever proposes takes responsibility and is expected to lead from the front. So, if you propose "PyPune", the onus is on you to steer things forward, and I will encourage you to do so. The more the number of events, the better it is for the community. Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From sree at mahiti.org Mon Oct 17 05:47:24 2016 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 09:47:24 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <8001504b336dab09a57abd4a35471e60@hcoop.net> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8001504b336dab09a57abd4a35471e60@hcoop.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 at 15:13 Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On , Thin Rhino wrote: > > On 14 October 2016 at 15:21, Kushal Das wrote: > [..] > > Why cannot we have PyPune conference and end this debate? > > +1 to that. > +1 -- Sreekanth S R Exec Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt Ltd +91-98455-12611 http://mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Oct 17 07:30:49 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:00:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> On , Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Thin Rhino > wrote: > | Why cannot we have PyPune conference > \-- > > In a "community" where everyone is a volunteer, whoever proposes takes > responsibility and is expected to lead from the front. > > So, if you propose "PyPune", the onus is on you to steer things > forward, and I will encourage you to do so. That's a little confrontational. Someone proposed a name and others raised (what I think are valid) objections and proposed a way to go ahead (changing the name). Thus ensued the discussion. If the name is very important to the people who brought this up, they can just tell us why and we can go ahead. The size and duration points are not really valid for reasons mentioned earlier in the thread. If the name is not important to them, they can use another and we can still go ahead. > The more the number of events, the better it is for the community. +1. From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 07:58:54 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:28:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: | If the name is not important to them, they can use another and we can still | go ahead. \-- Who is "we"? SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 09:05:27 2016 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:35:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership Message-ID: Hi All, We had discussed on getting funds from organization to increase the benefits of PythonExpress in PyCon India 2016 Openspace. At present, PythonExpress runs without the fund. Some colleges in a remote location are not able to take care of Tutor's travel due to which we are not able to conduct workshops in those. We need fund to sponsor tutor's travel and provide certificates for the students who attend workshops. To take that forward, here is what I propose. 1) Sponsors - Partners who support us with funding Need discussion about sponsorship amount and terms and conditions Can be dependent on a number of workshops they want to support or the colleges they support. Benefits 1) Add them as sponsors on PythonExpress website 2) Tutor's presentation can have couple of slides about the sponsor 3) Certificates provided to the students can have sponsor's name/logo along with PythonExpress 4) Sponsors can have their representatives speaking about their organization for a couple of minutes during the workshops. 2) Partner - To help us connect to colleges We don't need them to support financially instead connect us with colleges. They need to help with minimum 20 workshops per year. Benefits 1) Add them as the partner on the website. 2) Certificates provided to the students can have partner's name/logo along with PythonExpress Let me know your thoughts. -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Oct 17 10:26:18 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 19:56:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Shakthi Kannan's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:28:54 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> Message-ID: <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Mon, Oct 17 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > | If the name is not important to them, they can use another and we can still > | go ahead. > \-- > > Who is "we"? Everyone on this list. Specifically the larger community who were told about the event after the details and other things were decided. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Oct 17 10:45:28 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:15:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: (vijay kumar's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:35:27 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87zim3vxtj.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> This sounds sensible to me although there is some effort associated with getting and maintaining sponsors. Also, the terms should be such that their interests don't conflict with Python Express. On Mon, Oct 17 2016, vijay kumar wrote: [...] > Benefits > 1) Add them as sponsors on PythonExpress website +1. This reminds me of the Debian sponsors. > 2) Tutor's presentation can have couple of slides about the > sponsor This, I'm not sure of. It'd be weird to go to a college and start of with "This workshop is sponsored by Parle-G". :) > 3) Certificates provided to the students can have sponsor's > name/logo along with PythonExpress +1. > 4) Sponsors can have their representatives speaking about their > organization for a couple of minutes during the workshops. This might not work since the representatives will have to travel to these remote colleges and be there for that time. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 10:44:36 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:14:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: | Everyone on this list. Specifically the larger community \-- :) I am going to reply from the perspective of a PSSI member and a non-PSSI member, because both are important. PSSI member ========= >From the PSSI web site (https://pssi.org.in/): "PSSI is not directly connected to PSF in any organizational or hierarchical manner." "Copyright and Trademarks of Python Programming language are vested in the PSF. PSSI has no such rights on Python." As a PSSI member, I cannot claim rights for the name "PyCon" in India because PSSI has willingly agreed that all Python related trademarks are vested in PSF, including "PyCon" and claims no right on the same. I, like others, can only request their permission to use the name for my intended purpose. On the same clause, I am not authorized to tell other people whether they can use the name or not. Non-PSSI member =============== If the trademark owner willingly agrees, then any third-party can use the name, and my objections are baseless. HTH. Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From versesane at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 10:49:26 2016 From: versesane at gmail.com (Ankur Gupta) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:49:26 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: +1 Shakthi On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:14 PM Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > | Everyone on this list. Specifically the larger community > \-- > > :) > > I am going to reply from the perspective of a PSSI member and a > non-PSSI member, because both are important. > > PSSI member > ========= > > From the PSSI web site (https://pssi.org.in/): > > "PSSI is not directly connected to PSF in any organizational or > hierarchical manner." > > "Copyright and Trademarks of Python Programming language are vested in > the PSF. PSSI has no such rights on Python." > > As a PSSI member, I cannot claim rights for the name "PyCon" in India > because PSSI has willingly agreed that all Python related trademarks > are vested in PSF, including "PyCon" and claims no right on the same. > > I, like others, can only request their permission to use the name for > my intended purpose. On the same clause, I am not authorized to tell > other people whether they can use the name or not. > > Non-PSSI member > =============== > > If the trademark owner willingly agrees, then any third-party can use > the name, and my objections are baseless. > > HTH. > > Regards, > > SK > > -- > Shakthi Kannan > http://www.shakthimaan.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meganeshkadam at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 11:04:21 2016 From: meganeshkadam at gmail.com (ganesh kadam) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:34:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:14 PM Shakthi Kannan wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV >> wrote: >> | Everyone on this list. Specifically the larger community >> \-- >> >> :) >> >> I am going to reply from the perspective of a PSSI member and a >> non-PSSI member, because both are important. >> >> PSSI member >> ========= >> >> From the PSSI web site (https://pssi.org.in/): >> >> "PSSI is not directly connected to PSF in any organizational or >> hierarchical manner." >> >> "Copyright and Trademarks of Python Programming language are vested in >> the PSF. PSSI has no such rights on Python." >> >> As a PSSI member, I cannot claim rights for the name "PyCon" in India >> because PSSI has willingly agreed that all Python related trademarks >> are vested in PSF, including "PyCon" and claims no right on the same. >> >> I, like others, can only request their permission to use the name for >> my intended purpose. On the same clause, I am not authorized to tell >> other people whether they can use the name or not. >> >> Non-PSSI member >> =============== >> >> If the trademark owner willingly agrees, then any third-party can use >> the name, and my objections are baseless. >> >> HTH. >> >> Regards, >> >> SK >> >> -- >> Shakthi Kannan >> http://www.shakthimaan.com >> _____________________________________ +1 Shakthi :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Oct 17 11:18:34 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:48:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Shakthi Kannan's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:14:36 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> We're talking at cross purposes here. Let me try to explain. I'm not arguing (or for that matter even interested in) whether using the name is legal (esp. from a copyright perspective) or not. This indifference of mine extends to the organisations who do have an interest in the topic and their members (specifically the PSSI and PSF). Your analysis of the topic, while accurate, is not really addressing my concern. I'm also not interested in authority. If Kushal and other others who are most involved with this effort right now go ahead and just use the name, no one can legally shut them down or anything. Please note, I'm not arguing about whether someone can shut them down or not (as you seem to imply that the PSSI cannot). I'm saying that I'm not interested in the question and am addressing another point. My objections are as follows. 1. Using the name violates a rather deep set convention of having one PyCon per country (or in the case of APAC, a group of countries). This gives it a certain "national" character. 2. Having more than one "PyCon *" in India per year dilutes the brand. It splits the sponsors, divides the community etc. Now both of these objections can over ruled if there is a genuine reason to use the "PyCon *" name. There were two that were brought up namely size and duration. Both of these, to me, are not sufficient reasons and that's where we are. Secondly, the whole thread can be aborted as Thin Rhino suggested by simply using a name like PyPune. Why is that not an option? I don't view the original email as "asking permission" nor do I view the resulting thread as an attempt to "deny permission". It's a discussion where certain people have raised objections based, not on the legality of using the name, but whether it's simply a good idea or not. As a poor analogy to try to explain my position, I don't think it's "illegal" in any way to conduct a Ruby conference in Bangalore and call it "PyCon Kozhikode". It's inappropriate and would probably be rightly criticised by all communities involved. The idea should be shot down because of this community disagreement rather than a tenuous argument which proves that it's not "legal" to do this. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 11:18:31 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:48:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: | I'm not arguing (or for that matter even interested in) whether using | the name is legal (esp. from a copyright perspective) or not. | ... | I'm also not interested in authority. If Kushal and other others who are | most involved with this effort right now go ahead and just use the name, | no one can legally shut them down or anything. \-- I rest my case. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From 7895pulkit at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 11:19:20 2016 From: 7895pulkit at gmail.com (Pulkit Goyal) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:49:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > We're talking at cross purposes here. Let me try to explain. > > I'm not arguing (or for that matter even interested in) whether using > the name is legal (esp. from a copyright perspective) or not. This > indifference of mine extends to the organisations who do have an > interest in the topic and their members (specifically the PSSI and PSF). > Your analysis of the topic, while accurate, is not really addressing my > concern. > > I'm also not interested in authority. If Kushal and other others who are > most involved with this effort right now go ahead and just use the name, > no one can legally shut them down or anything. Please note, I'm not > arguing about whether someone can shut them down or not (as you seem to > imply that the PSSI cannot). I'm saying that I'm not interested in the > question and am addressing another point. > > My objections are as follows. > > 1. Using the name violates a rather deep set convention of having one > PyCon per country (or in the case of APAC, a group of > countries). This gives it a certain "national" character. > > 2. Having more than one "PyCon *" in India per year dilutes the > brand. It splits the sponsors, divides the community etc. > > Now both of these objections can over ruled if there is a genuine > reason to use the "PyCon *" name. There were two that were brought up > namely size and duration. Both of these, to me, are not sufficient > reasons and that's where we are. Secondly, the whole thread can be > aborted as Thin Rhino suggested by simply using a name like PyPune. Why > is that not an option? > > I don't view the original email as "asking permission" nor do I view the > resulting thread as an attempt to "deny permission". It's a discussion > where certain people have raised objections based, not on the legality > of using the name, but whether it's simply a good idea or not. > > As a poor analogy to try to explain my position, I don't think it's > "illegal" in any way to conduct a Ruby conference in Bangalore and > call it "PyCon Kozhikode". It's inappropriate and would probably be > rightly criticised by all communities involved. The idea should be > shot down because of this community disagreement rather than a tenuous > argument which proves that it's not "legal" to do this. +1 > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Oct 17 11:45:01 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:15:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Shakthi Kannan's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:48:31 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <8737jvvv2a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Mon, Oct 17 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: [...] > I rest my case. We agree that it's not illegal then. The larger and more pertinent concern is whether it's a good idea or not to use the name. I say no. From what I understand, you don't have an opinion on the question. Correct? -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 11:44:03 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:14:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <8737jvvv2a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jvvv2a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: | The larger and more pertinent concern is whether it's a good idea or not | to use the name. I say no. \-- That is your opinion and I shall leave it that. Cheers! SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From sshagunsodhani at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 12:31:07 2016 From: sshagunsodhani at gmail.com (Shagun Sodhani) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 22:01:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers Message-ID: Can I name the next meet up with my Pythonista friends as PyCon Connaught Place? Or do I need to meet for 3 consecutive days at least? Thanks, Shagun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Oct 17 12:53:44 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 22:23:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Shakthi Kannan's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:14:03 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jvvv2a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87insqvrvr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Mon, Oct 17 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > | The larger and more pertinent concern is whether it's a good idea or not > | to use the name. I say no. > \-- > > That is your opinion and I shall leave it that. I'm really confused as to what you were trying to say. If it was only about the legality of using the name, we have no disagreements. However, this is a low bar which all our discussions clear very easily. We don't decide whether to have dev sprints at an event or not just considering the legality. We discuss to tease out pros and cons so that our final decision is good and substantiated rather than just legal. That's what I'm trying to do. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Mon Oct 17 14:21:27 2016 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 23:51:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Monday 17 October 2016 08:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > We're talking at cross purposes here. Let me try to explain. > > I'm not arguing (or for that matter even interested in) whether using > the name is legal (esp. from a copyright perspective) or not. This > indifference of mine extends to the organisations who do have an > interest in the topic and their members (specifically the PSSI and PSF). > Your analysis of the topic, while accurate, is not really addressing my > concern. > > I'm also not interested in authority. If Kushal and other others who are > most involved with this effort right now go ahead and just use the name, > no one can legally shut them down or anything. Please note, I'm not > arguing about whether someone can shut them down or not (as you seem to > imply that the PSSI cannot). I'm saying that I'm not interested in the > question and am addressing another point. > > My objections are as follows. > > 1. Using the name violates a rather deep set convention of having one > PyCon per country (or in the case of APAC, a group of > countries). This gives it a certain "national" character. > > 2. Having more than one "PyCon *" in India per year dilutes the > brand. It splits the sponsors, divides the community etc. > > Now both of these objections can over ruled if there is a genuine > reason to use the "PyCon *" name. There were two that were brought up > namely size and duration. Both of these, to me, are not sufficient > reasons and that's where we are. Secondly, the whole thread can be > aborted as Thin Rhino suggested by simply using a name like PyPune. Why > is that not an option? > > I don't view the original email as "asking permission" nor do I view the > resulting thread as an attempt to "deny permission". It's a discussion > where certain people have raised objections based, not on the legality > of using the name, but whether it's simply a good idea or not. > > As a poor analogy to try to explain my position, I don't think it's > "illegal" in any way to conduct a Ruby conference in Bangalore and > call it "PyCon Kozhikode". It's inappropriate and would probably be > rightly criticised by all communities involved. The idea should be > shot down because of this community disagreement rather than a tenuous > argument which proves that it's not "legal" to do this. > Nobody could have explained it better than Noufal. Nobody is talking in terms of legalities here. The point is about breaking a community convention which can split the Python community, cause confusion among the sponsors etc. To give an exact analogy in programming, if conference is a Python program, we are talking of PEP8 not a programming error. And so far the organizers have been mum about not exercising the other name options and the exact reasons for going against the convention and thereby alienating a portion of the Python community. The only reasons I hear so far is because "hey it ain't illegal". -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Mon Oct 17 14:22:35 2016 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 23:52:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Monday 17 October 2016 10:01 PM, Shagun Sodhani wrote: > Can I name the next meet up with my Pythonista friends as > PyCon Connaught Place? Or do I need to meet for 3 consecutive days at least? You could. I am planning to have a meeting of friends interested in Python at my place every 3rd Saturday of the month and plan to call it "PyCon Whitefield". I plan to send out invitations soon and look for sponsors. > > Thanks, > Shagun > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards, --Anand ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org http://twitter.com/skeptichacker From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 21:51:52 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 07:21:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Shagun Sodhani wrote: | Can I name the next meet up with my Pythonista friends as PyCon Connaught | Place? \-- It will be a meet-up as you have mentioned - "Connaught Python Meetup". SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 21:53:13 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 07:23:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <87insqvrvr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jvvv2a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insqvrvr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: | We don't decide whether to have dev sprints at an event or not just | considering the legality. We discuss to tease out pros and cons so that | our final decision is good and substantiated rather than just legal. \-- That is your approach and I shall leave it at that. Thanks for your prompt replies and comments. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From thinrhino at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 22:55:38 2016 From: thinrhino at gmail.com (Thin Rhino) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 08:25:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jvvv2a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insqvrvr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 18 October 2016 at 07:23, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > | We don't decide whether to have dev sprints at an event or not just > | considering the legality. We discuss to tease out pros and cons so that > | our final decision is good and substantiated rather than just legal. > \-- > > That is your approach and I shall leave it at that. Thanks for your > prompt replies and comments Looks like we all love "making a mountain out of a molehill"! >From https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/pycon/ it is very clear that the convention for using PyCon is currently set at PyCon . It also has the following text in it: "If we have forgotten a national or regional PyCon conference in this list or have used the wrong naming, please write to the PSF trademark committee for approval." I don't see PyCon Pune in the list. Maybe Kushal can apply for the trademark and if he gets permission he can use it. Simple, right? -- "Ship is safe at harbor but it is not made for that." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Oct 17 23:47:15 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 09:17:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: (Shakthi Kannan's message of "Tue, 18 Oct 2016 07:23:13 +0530") References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jvvv2a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insqvrvr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <8760oquxmk.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Tue, Oct 18 2016, Shakthi Kannan wrote: [...] > That is your approach and I shall leave it at that. Thanks for your > prompt replies and comments. > Likewise! :) -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shakthimaan at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 00:48:29 2016 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:18:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Announcing PyCon Pune 2017 & Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: <87oa2nmjdn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <3f1f34a9d99275c20880cdfc681f7556@hcoop.net> <878ttnxd9x.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87a8e3vwad.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <8737jvvv2a.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87insqvrvr.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Thin Rhino wrote: | I don't see PyCon Pune in the list ... can apply for the trademark | and if he gets permission he can use it. \-- You cannot apply for the trademark. Permission should suffice. On this note, I would also like to encourage local Python meet-up groups to see how they can scale out to a larger conference. For example, how can PyDelhi run a PyCon Delhi conference, or Chennaipy run a PyCon Chennai conference. The one/two-day workshops and talks can be moved to other tier cities to start PyFaridabad or PyMadurai, for example. The infrastructure, logistics and human resource needs are quite different in India. Decentralization greatly helps to scale out, and prevents a single point of failure. Best wishes, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From deshpande.jaidev at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 03:05:42 2016 From: deshpande.jaidev at gmail.com (Jaidev Deshpande) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 07:05:42 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India 2016: call for papers Message-ID: Hello, We are pleased to announce the SciPy India conference 2016. SciPy India is an annual conference on using Python for research and education. The conference is currently in its eighth year and will be held at IIT Bombay on 10th and 11th December, 2016. The registration and call for papers are open. Please visit http://scipy.in to register and submit your proposals. Please spread the word! Call for Papers ============= We look forward to your submissions on the use of Python for scientific computing and education. This includes pedagogy, exploration, modeling, and analysis from both applied and developmental perspectives. We welcome contributions from academia as well as industry. For details on the paper submission please see here: http://scipy.in/2016/cfp/ Important Dates ================ - Call for proposals end: 20th November 2016 - List of accepted proposals will be published: 1st December 2016. We look forward to seeing you at SciPy India. Regards, Prabhu Ramachandran (For the SciPy organizing team) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can find way to represent something similar . > > > > 3) Certificates provided to the students can have sponsor's > > name/logo along with PythonExpress > > +1. > > > 4) Sponsors can have their representatives speaking about their > > organization for a couple of minutes during the workshops. > > This might not work since the representatives will have to travel to > these remote colleges and be there for that time. > > If sponsors are ready to fund travel we should not problem right ? > > > [...] > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org Tue Oct 18 15:35:33 2016 From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 01:05:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58067985.8000504@bravegnu.org> On Monday 17 October 2016 06:35 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > Hi All, > > We had discussed on getting funds from organization to increase the > benefits of PythonExpress in PyCon India 2016 Openspace. > > At present, PythonExpress runs without the fund. Some colleges in a > remote location are not able to take care of Tutor's travel due to which > we are not able to conduct workshops in those. > We need fund to sponsor tutor's travel and provide certificates for the > students who attend workshops. What is the approx. expenses expected? Regards, Vijay From sree at mahiti.org Tue Oct 18 21:50:18 2016 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 07:20:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] [PythonExpress] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: References: <87zim3vxtj.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Tuesday, 18 October 2016, vijay kumar wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > >> >> This sounds sensible to me although there is some effort associated with >> getting and maintaining sponsors. Also, the terms should be such that >> their interests don't conflict with Python Express. >> >> On Mon, Oct 17 2016, vijay kumar wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> > Benefits >> > 1) Add them as sponsors on PythonExpress website >> >> +1. This reminds me of the Debian sponsors. >> >> > 2) Tutor's presentation can have couple of slides about the >> > sponsor >> >> This, I'm not sure of. It'd be weird to go to a college and start of >> with "This workshop is sponsored by Parle-G". :) >> > This was just initial thought. We can find way to represent something > similar . > >> >> >> > 3) Certificates provided to the students can have sponsor's >> > name/logo along with PythonExpress >> >> +1. >> >> > 4) Sponsors can have their representatives speaking about their >> > organization for a couple of minutes during the workshops. >> >> This might not work since the representatives will have to travel to >> these remote colleges and be there for that time. >> >> If sponsors are ready to fund travel we should not problem right ? > This might end up diluting the program. What session will they take and for how long? How to ensure no conflict of interest between two sessions? Sree > >> >> [...] >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> Noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can even think to add one slide at start or end or add in footer of ppt. > [...] > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 02:38:56 2016 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:08:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] [PythonExpress] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: References: <87zim3vxtj.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 18 October 2016, vijay kumar wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < >> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: >> >>> >>> This sounds sensible to me although there is some effort associated with >>> getting and maintaining sponsors. Also, the terms should be such that >>> their interests don't conflict with Python Express. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 17 2016, vijay kumar wrote: >>> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> > Benefits >>> > 1) Add them as sponsors on PythonExpress website >>> >>> +1. This reminds me of the Debian sponsors. >>> >>> > 2) Tutor's presentation can have couple of slides about the >>> > sponsor >>> >>> This, I'm not sure of. It'd be weird to go to a college and start of >>> with "This workshop is sponsored by Parle-G". :) >>> >> This was just initial thought. We can find way to represent something >> similar . >> >>> >>> >>> > 3) Certificates provided to the students can have sponsor's >>> > name/logo along with PythonExpress >>> >>> +1. >>> >>> > 4) Sponsors can have their representatives speaking about their >>> > organization for a couple of minutes during the workshops. >>> >>> This might not work since the representatives will have to travel to >>> these remote colleges and be there for that time. >>> >>> If sponsors are ready to fund travel we should not problem right ? >> > > This might end up diluting the program. What session will they take and > for how long? > > How to ensure no conflict of interest between two sessions? > They get max 5 minutes and as i replied to noufal we have tried this year already and didn't hear problems. > Sree > >> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cordially, >>> Noufal >>> http://nibrahim.net.in >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 02:41:05 2016 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:11:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: <58067985.8000504@bravegnu.org> References: <58067985.8000504@bravegnu.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:05 AM, Vijay Kumar wrote: > On Monday 17 October 2016 06:35 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> We had discussed on getting funds from organization to increase the >> benefits of PythonExpress in PyCon India 2016 Openspace. >> >> At present, PythonExpress runs without the fund. Some colleges in a >> remote location are not able to take care of Tutor's travel due to which >> we are not able to conduct workshops in those. >> We need fund to sponsor tutor's travel and provide certificates for the >> students who attend workshops. >> > > What is the approx. expenses expected? In same City Cab expense. For other city travel cost based on mode of transport . 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The maximum educational program grant size is typically USD 25 per student, provided the students each receive at least 6 hours of Python instruction as part of the educational program. We give preference to students who would otherwise not be able to attend such classes. If the class has an educational hardware component such as a Raspberry Pi that the students get to keep, you may request up to USD 50 per student. Please note that subsequent funding requests for workshops in the same region may be funded at a lower rate to encourage sustainable, long-term relationships with local sponsors. When submitting your workshop grant request, it helps the board to see a brief budget for your event. Sorry, if this was already discussed. Regards, Vijay From kushaldas at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 04:41:47 2016 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 14:11:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: <32b6a1dc176184650678d1fe16ec25aa.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com> References: <58067985.8000504@bravegnu.org> <32b6a1dc176184650678d1fe16ec25aa.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Vijay Kumar wrote: > On Wed, October 19, 2016 12:11 pm, vijay kumar wrote: >> In same City Cab expense. >> For other city travel cost based on mode of transport . Presently we have >> set upper limit to 3K > > I am not sure if this was already discussed, but how about getting grants > from the PSF? There is specifically mention of workshops in > https://www.python.org/psf/grants/ I am inlining the specific text here. > > > Q. I am running a Python educational program or workshop. How big a grant > should I ask for? > > A. The maximum educational program grant size is typically USD 25 per > student, provided the students each receive at least 6 hours of Python > instruction as part of the educational program. We give preference to > students who would otherwise not be able to attend such classes. If the > class has an educational hardware component such as a Raspberry Pi that > the students get to keep, you may request up to USD 50 per student. Please > note that subsequent funding requests for workshops in the same region may > be funded at a lower rate to encourage sustainable, long-term > relationships with local sponsors. When submitting your workshop grant > request, it helps the board to see a brief budget for your event. > This is very much possible. PSF provides grants per workshop basis. So the grant application has to made for each individual workshop. Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer http://kushaldas.in From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 10:03:44 2016 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 19:33:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: <32b6a1dc176184650678d1fe16ec25aa.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com> References: <58067985.8000504@bravegnu.org> <32b6a1dc176184650678d1fe16ec25aa.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Vijay Kumar wrote: > On Wed, October 19, 2016 12:11 pm, vijay kumar wrote: > > In same City Cab expense. > > For other city travel cost based on mode of transport . Presently we have > > set upper limit to 3K > > I am not sure if this was already discussed, but how about getting grants > from the PSF? There is specifically mention of workshops in > https://www.python.org/psf/grants/ I am inlining the specific text here. > > > Q. I am running a Python educational program or workshop. How big a grant > should I ask for? > > A. The maximum educational program grant size is typically USD 25 per > student, provided the students each receive at least 6 hours of Python > instruction as part of the educational program. We give preference to > students who would otherwise not be able to attend such classes. If the > class has an educational hardware component such as a Raspberry Pi that > the students get to keep, you may request up to USD 50 per student. > > > *Please note that subsequent funding requests for workshops in the same > region may be funded at a lower rate to encourage sustainable, long-term > relationships with local sponsors*. As per PSF grant for workshop, the subsequent funding requests gets lower rate funding and they suggest to go with local sponsors for long-term. We conduct multiple workshops per region throughout the year and I don't think it makes sense to look for grant from PSF for every workshop. 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Permission should suffice. > > On this note, I would also like to encourage local Python meet-up > groups to see how they can scale out to a larger conference. > > For example, how can PyDelhi run a PyCon Delhi conference, We at PyDelhi group had discussed this and felt this would be detrimental to the community as a whole. That is one of the reason why we specifically named our conference PyDelhiConf. On this note as PyDelhi is slated to host PyCon India in 2017, we do feel that given the situation it seems Pune folks feel they did not get enough of a chance to pitch for PyCon India in Pune. In the interest of the community, we have absolutely no issue if the Pune python folks want to hold PyCon India 2017 in Pune. If so, they can send a formal proposal to the list for holding a PyCon India in Pune. If your intention is to have a national event for python then let's name it appropriately. PyCon India. Let's involve the national community and ask for when the event would be appropriate for majority to attend, just like it's done every time. It's good for the community if the national level event happens in different places every time. We will all pitch in and support to help PyCon India 2017 happen in Pune. -- > Shakthi Kannan > http://www.shakthimaan.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Thu Oct 20 06:31:03 2016 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:01:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How about a crowd funding? Use any of flattr, kickstarter etc, or setup something of our own. if Wikipedia can survive entirely on crowd funding, PSSI should be able to cover a few workshops. On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:35 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > Hi All, > > We had discussed on getting funds from organization to increase the > benefits of PythonExpress in PyCon India 2016 Openspace. > > At present, PythonExpress runs without the fund. Some colleges in a remote > location are not able to take care of Tutor's travel due to which we are > not able to conduct workshops in those. > We need fund to sponsor tutor's travel and provide certificates for the > students who attend workshops. > > To take that forward, here is what I propose. > > 1) Sponsors - Partners who support us with funding > Need discussion about sponsorship amount and terms and conditions > Can be dependent on a number of workshops they want to support or the > colleges they support. > > Benefits > 1) Add them as sponsors on PythonExpress website > 2) Tutor's presentation can have couple of slides about the sponsor > 3) Certificates provided to the students can have sponsor's > name/logo along with PythonExpress > 4) Sponsors can have their representatives speaking about their > organization for a couple of minutes during the workshops. > > 2) Partner - To help us connect to colleges > We don't need them to support financially instead connect us with > colleges. > They need to help with minimum 20 workshops per year. > > Benefits > 1) Add them as the partner on the website. > 2) Certificates provided to the students can have partner's > name/logo along with PythonExpress > > Let me know your thoughts. > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From the PSSI web site > (https://pssi.org.in/): > That's why, asking for a "proposal", based on which the community and PSSI can decide. > "The primary focus of PSSI as of today is the organization and conduct > of PyCon India conference." > > SK > > -- > Shakthi Kannan > http://www.shakthimaan.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 404rajat at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 06:37:32 2016 From: 404rajat at gmail.com (Rajat Goyal) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:07:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > > How about a crowd funding? Use any of flattr, kickstarter etc, or setup something of our own. > > if Wikipedia can survive entirely on crowd funding, PSSI should be able to cover a few workshops. > +1 From anandology at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 06:54:10 2016 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 10:54:10 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 at 16:01 Anuvrat Parashar wrote: > How about a crowd funding? Use any of flattr, kickstarter etc, or setup > something of our own. > > if Wikipedia can survive entirely on crowd funding, PSSI should be able to > cover a few workshops. > We are good at doing Python, not fund raising. Raising funds is not an easy task. Wikipedia will have a team of people working only fund raising. I think it is easier for PSSI to seek sponsorships instead of fund raising. Here is something that might work. Apply for PSF grant for running 100 workshops to start with. Assuming there'll be 50 participants in each workshop, that would be covering 5000 people. If we pay honorarium of Rs. 2000/- to every workshop instructor and let them manage their travel expenses, that would cost about Rs. 2 lakh, about $3000. I'm sure PSF would be more than happy to sponsor $3000 for teaching Python to 5000 people, at a cost of 60 cents per person (their limit is $25). That would take care of the expenses for the short run. We can ask the colleges benefiting from these workshops to donate to PSSI to continue run Python Express. I'm sure at least some of them will come back. The next thing that would might be helpful is to try getting some government to sponsor. I know it is hard, but we can check with out friends at FOSSEE and see if something can be worked out. What do you think? Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Oct 20 07:21:02 2016 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:51:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0682c2b6ef10fb3a8fd29e872c207a6b@hcoop.net> On , Anand Chitipothu wrote: [..] > We are good at doing Python, not fund raising. Raising funds is not an > easy task. Wikipedia will have a team of people working only fund > raising. I think it is easier for PSSI to seek sponsorships instead of > fund raising. +1. A friend recently got a project of his funded on indiegogo. The amount of trouble he took to get the thing done was enormous. It's very *very* hard to get crowdfunding. > Here is something that might work. Apply for PSF grant for running 100 > workshops to start with. > > Assuming there'll be 50 participants in each workshop, that would be > covering 5000 people. If we pay honorarium of Rs. 2000/- to every > workshop instructor and let them manage their travel expenses, that > would cost about Rs. 2 lakh, about $3000. > > I'm sure PSF would be more than happy to sponsor $3000 for teaching > Python to 5000 people, at a cost of 60 cents per person (their limit > is $25). The numbers look good here but I don't know the details of getting the money from the PSF. On a related note, does the PSSI not have enough leftover from the conference and memberships to atleast partially fund PythonExpress? > That would take care of the expenses for the short run. We can ask the > colleges benefiting from these workshops to donate to PSSI to continue > run Python Express. I'm sure at least some of them will come back. Possibly. > The next thing that would might be helpful is to try getting some > government to sponsor. I know it is hard, but we can check with out > friends at FOSSEE and see if something can be worked out. This might be a better long term solution. From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 08:56:40 2016 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:26:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PythonExpress Partnership In-Reply-To: <0682c2b6ef10fb3a8fd29e872c207a6b@hcoop.net> References: <0682c2b6ef10fb3a8fd29e872c207a6b@hcoop.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On , Anand Chitipothu wrote: > [..] > >> We are good at doing Python, not fund raising. Raising funds is not an >> easy task. Wikipedia will have a team of people working only fund >> raising. I think it is easier for PSSI to seek sponsorships instead of >> fund raising. >> > > +1. A friend recently got a project of his funded on indiegogo. The amount > of trouble > he took to get the thing done was enormous. It's very *very* hard to get > crowdfunding. > > > Here is something that might work. Apply for PSF grant for running 100 >> workshops to start with. >> >> Assuming there'll be 50 participants in each workshop, that would be >> covering 5000 people. If we pay honorarium of Rs. 2000/- to every >> workshop instructor and let them manage their travel expenses, that >> would cost about Rs. 2 lakh, about $3000. >> >> I'm sure PSF would be more than happy to sponsor $3000 for teaching >> Python to 5000 people, at a cost of 60 cents per person (their limit >> is $25). >> > > The numbers look good here but I don't know the details of getting the > money from the PSF. On a related note, does the PSSI not have enough > leftover from the conference and memberships to atleast partially fund > PythonExpress? > I think PSSI should have leftover amount to support this project. Two years back it was agreed by PSSI members to allocate 1 Lakh per year for this project. I assume it's still same. > > That would take care of the expenses for the short run. We can ask the >> colleges benefiting from these workshops to donate to PSSI to continue >> run Python Express. I'm sure at least some of them will come back. >> > > Good point we can think of it but audit /account hassle is what we need to check with PSSI account team. > > The next thing that would might be helpful is to try getting some >> government to sponsor. I know it is hard, but we can check with out >> friends at FOSSEE and see if something can be worked out. >> > > > +1. I was even thinking on the same line. We can reach out to FOSSEE and other similar organization. But we need to discuss about mutual benefits between PythonExpress and Organizations. _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's very *very* hard to get >> crowdfunding. >> >> >> Here is something that might work. Apply for PSF grant for running 100 >>> workshops to start with. >>> >>> Assuming there'll be 50 participants in each workshop, that would be >>> covering 5000 people. If we pay honorarium of Rs. 2000/- to every >>> workshop instructor and let them manage their travel expenses, that >>> would cost about Rs. 2 lakh, about $3000. >>> >>> I'm sure PSF would be more than happy to sponsor $3000 for teaching >>> Python to 5000 people, at a cost of 60 cents per person (their limit >>> is $25). >>> >> >> The numbers look good here but I don't know the details of getting the >> money from the PSF. On a related note, does the PSSI not have enough >> leftover from the conference and memberships to atleast partially fund >> PythonExpress? >> > > I think PSSI should have leftover amount to support this project. > Two years back it was agreed by PSSI members to allocate 1 Lakh per year > for this project. I assume it's still same. > > >> >> That would take care of the expenses for the short run. We can ask the >>> colleges benefiting from these workshops to donate to PSSI to continue >>> run Python Express. I'm sure at least some of them will come back. >>> >> >> Good point we can think of it but audit /account hassle is what we need > to check with PSSI account team. > >> >> The next thing that would might be helpful is to try getting some >>> government to sponsor. I know it is hard, but we can check with out >>> friends at FOSSEE and see if something can be worked out. >>> >> >> >> +1. I was even thinking on the same line. We can reach out to FOSSEE and > other similar organization. But we need to discuss about mutual benefits > between PythonExpress and Organizations. > > _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Cofounder and CEO, Koresoft India -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it is easier for PSSI to seek sponsorships instead of >>>> fund raising. >>>> >>> >>> +1. A friend recently got a project of his funded on indiegogo. The >>> amount of trouble >>> he took to get the thing done was enormous. It's very *very* hard to get >>> crowdfunding. >>> >>> >>> Here is something that might work. Apply for PSF grant for running 100 >>>> workshops to start with. >>>> >>>> Assuming there'll be 50 participants in each workshop, that would be >>>> covering 5000 people. If we pay honorarium of Rs. 2000/- to every >>>> workshop instructor and let them manage their travel expenses, that >>>> would cost about Rs. 2 lakh, about $3000. >>>> >>>> I'm sure PSF would be more than happy to sponsor $3000 for teaching >>>> Python to 5000 people, at a cost of 60 cents per person (their limit >>>> is $25). >>>> >>> >>> The numbers look good here but I don't know the details of getting the >>> money from the PSF. On a related note, does the PSSI not have enough >>> leftover from the conference and memberships to atleast partially fund >>> PythonExpress? >>> >> >> I think PSSI should have leftover amount to support this project. >> Two years back it was agreed by PSSI members to allocate 1 Lakh per year >> for this project. I assume it's still same. >> >> >>> >>> That would take care of the expenses for the short run. We can ask the >>>> colleges benefiting from these workshops to donate to PSSI to continue >>>> run Python Express. I'm sure at least some of them will come back. >>>> >>> >>> Good point we can think of it but audit /account hassle is what we need >> to check with PSSI account team. >> >>> >>> The next thing that would might be helpful is to try getting some >>>> government to sponsor. I know it is hard, but we can check with out >>>> friends at FOSSEE and see if something can be worked out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> +1. I was even thinking on the same line. We can reach out to FOSSEE and >> other similar organization. But we need to discuss about mutual benefits >> between PythonExpress and Organizations. >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Vijay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Cofounder and CEO, Koresoft India > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: