From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 18:42:03 2015
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 22:12:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] First Platinum Sponsor for PyCon India 2015
Message-ID: <CAHX9ajTZs58CwccT9xVCF-Ty1rvGyvr3syA0zoYzfqdJYo-JtA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Delighted to announce our first Platinum Sponsor: Zopper!

https://in.pycon.org/2015/index.html#sponsors <http://in.pycon.org/2012/>

Thanks Zopper for supporting PyCon India.



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From rashood.khan at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 18:48:19 2015
From: rashood.khan at gmail.com (Rashid Khan)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 20:48:19 +0400
Subject: [Inpycon] First Platinum Sponsor for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajTZs58CwccT9xVCF-Ty1rvGyvr3syA0zoYzfqdJYo-JtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajTZs58CwccT9xVCF-Ty1rvGyvr3syA0zoYzfqdJYo-JtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMNOaSEmP0Pd59D_8ettu72VC94ehC35U=U5+PeTGewzbN6RBg@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations guys!

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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:42 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Delighted to announce our first Platinum Sponsor: Zopper!
>
> https://in.pycon.org/2015/index.html#sponsors <http://in.pycon.org/2012/>
>
> Thanks Zopper for supporting PyCon India.
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 18:52:00 2015
From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 22:22:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] First Platinum Sponsor for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajTZs58CwccT9xVCF-Ty1rvGyvr3syA0zoYzfqdJYo-JtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajTZs58CwccT9xVCF-Ty1rvGyvr3syA0zoYzfqdJYo-JtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uoz4k6sXPVbbQSKpixKC5EvN0ndfW-1M3ZsJe2a0T--_RVWw@mail.gmail.com>

Great

Fasih Ahmad Fakhri

On 02-Jun-2015 10:12 pm, "vijay kumar" <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Delighted to announce our first Platinum Sponsor: Zopper!
>
> https://in.pycon.org/2015/index.html#sponsors <http://in.pycon.org/2012/>
>
> Thanks Zopper for supporting PyCon India.
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 19:55:48 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 23:25:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] First Platinum Sponsor for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajTZs58CwccT9xVCF-Ty1rvGyvr3syA0zoYzfqdJYo-JtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajTZs58CwccT9xVCF-Ty1rvGyvr3syA0zoYzfqdJYo-JtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkH89Ooh0DZC9RQwx3YxKK6Fcgxmay8ngQQ6oRfoEqFeA1SYQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:12 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> https://in.pycon.org/2015/index.html#sponsors

Small Fix: This links to the PyCon 2012 website.

Otherwise, Congratulations! :)

From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 18:05:11 2015
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 21:35:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] First Silver Sponsor for PyCon India 2015
Message-ID: <CAHX9ajQQSwbsm19_QW0K8gLZ-EaVGY2oRC0R1SDQt29ek_eW5g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Delighted to announce our first Silver Sponsor: Oracle-MySql!

https://in.pycon.org/2015/#sponsors

Thanks Oracle -MySql for supporting PyCon India.
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From kartiksinghal at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 18:53:06 2015
From: kartiksinghal at gmail.com (Kartik Singhal)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 22:23:06 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] First Silver Sponsor for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajQQSwbsm19_QW0K8gLZ-EaVGY2oRC0R1SDQt29ek_eW5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajQQSwbsm19_QW0K8gLZ-EaVGY2oRC0R1SDQt29ek_eW5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY3Td5eH84kXLWM3jJoroM-2MaYHhYAeKQAQRJrCPeQNGm3JQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:35 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Delighted to announce our first Silver Sponsor: Oracle-MySql!
>
> https://in.pycon.org/2015/#sponsors

Good news. :)

Had to Google what "OS database" (operating system db?) could mean. ;-)


-- 
Kartik
http://techglider.in

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Jun  3 19:46:55 2015
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 23:16:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] First Silver Sponsor for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAAY3Td5eH84kXLWM3jJoroM-2MaYHhYAeKQAQRJrCPeQNGm3JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajQQSwbsm19_QW0K8gLZ-EaVGY2oRC0R1SDQt29ek_eW5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAY3Td5eH84kXLWM3jJoroM-2MaYHhYAeKQAQRJrCPeQNGm3JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1ZUWdCu3Wjs8hQtDnJLr0rioAG+8hOhrXgNgP_HmJfhtMcVg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Kartik Singhal <kartiksinghal at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:35 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Delighted to announce our first Silver Sponsor: Oracle-MySql!
> >
> > https://in.pycon.org/2015/#sponsors
>
> Good news. :)
>
> Had to Google what "OS database" (operating system db?) could mean. ;-)
>

?I guess they mean Open Source Database. It should be Database Management
System though. And the full form of Open Source would also help.?



>
>
> --
> Kartik
> http://techglider.in
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From ram.nath241089 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 17:41:03 2015
From: ram.nath241089 at gmail.com (Mayur Patil)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 21:11:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] About opinions on Session in PyCon
Message-ID: <CA+kVhsanYndhfENZQMOsODj5Yd73w2APNTQ51aeO9TM+16F+3A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

  I am first timer presenter in PyCon India.

  This time I am proposing the session on NoSQL and Python named as

  Python with NoSQL buddies: ArangoDB and Cassandra
<https://in.pycon.org/cfp/pycon-india-2015/proposals/python-with-nosql-buddies-arangodb-and-cassandra/>

  Please give your valuable opinions so that I can improve,

  Thanks!!
-- 

*Cheers,Mayur* S. Patil,
Journey from Program Learner
to Software Engineer,
Pune, India.
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From vinay.not.nice at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 09:51:12 2015
From: vinay.not.nice at gmail.com (Vinay Dahiya)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:21:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon]  Small feedback on pycon website
Message-ID: <CADC3N4pRK-TRaRAQO9Ouezk2jtQOic9XH6vW5NPWquC1oSjBSg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys just noticed that the hyperlinks on the pycon 2015 website
are not opening new window tab like last years website.
Not sure but slightly irritating behavior when you want to scroll below as well.




-- 
Regards,
pyvkd
(Vinay Dahiya)
http://vkd.me

From me at kracekumar.com  Tue Jun 16 19:36:09 2015
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:06:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Small feedback on pycon website
In-Reply-To: <CADC3N4pRK-TRaRAQO9Ouezk2jtQOic9XH6vW5NPWquC1oSjBSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADC3N4pRK-TRaRAQO9Ouezk2jtQOic9XH6vW5NPWquC1oSjBSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALWxmCSz4r-C-9cWb1vUQOoOZyVfOoRwoW86xyXb5=dz4dDVTg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. It is fixed in [1], but not deployed. If there are more places,
please update the thread, we will fix it.

[1]: https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon2015/pull/12

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Vinay Dahiya <vinay.not.nice at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey guys just noticed that the hyperlinks on the pycon 2015 website
> are not opening new window tab like last years website.
> Not sure but slightly irritating behavior when you want to scroll below as
> well.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> pyvkd
> (Vinay Dahiya)
> http://vkd.me
> _______________________________________________
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From ram.nath241089 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 21 14:18:54 2015
From: ram.nath241089 at gmail.com (Mayur Patil)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 17:48:54 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] About confirmation of workshop/talk
Message-ID: <CA+kVhsYV07WG5vkaB_Sif22eOby8dv1uFWVSz6e63NYMmC2bZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have one query that

How would I come to know that my talk is finalized or Rejected.

Does it consider by:

1. Upvotes
2. Selection Committee consideration etc?

Please clarify so, according to it, I will make modifications in my
proposal,

Thanks!!

-- 

*Cheers,Mayur* S. Patil,
Pune, India.
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From me at kracekumar.com  Sun Jun 21 14:51:17 2015
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 20:51:17 +0800
Subject: [Inpycon] About confirmation of workshop/talk
In-Reply-To: <CA+kVhsYV07WG5vkaB_Sif22eOby8dv1uFWVSz6e63NYMmC2bZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+kVhsYV07WG5vkaB_Sif22eOby8dv1uFWVSz6e63NYMmC2bZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALWxmCS_-jcR348EGLEUC0WPzVkbg+-+EA30ufwuHjpF84mOPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mayur

 You will get an email about the status of your workshop. Also if you log
in and visit your proposal page, reviews comments are available under
Reviewer/Review section. Please attend those.

Thanks we have updated Guidelines section [1]. Also keep updating the
content of the workshop and don't wait till last minute.

[1]: https://in.pycon.org/cfp/pycon-india-2015/proposals/


On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Mayur Patil <ram.nath241089 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have one query that
>
> How would I come to know that my talk is finalized or Rejected.
>
> Does it consider by:
>
> 1. Upvotes
> 2. Selection Committee consideration etc?
>
> Please clarify so, according to it, I will make modifications in my
> proposal,
>
> Thanks!!
>
> --
>
> *Cheers,Mayur* S. Patil,
> Pune, India.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


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From vani.pree at gmail.com  Sun Jun 21 15:54:45 2015
From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:24:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
Message-ID: <CAHioFSffE76-T9MjQvtGYwh8pAWd_XKTnNi4E7-BJYn+x-KcDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

As we all know that CFP is closed and we have got 142 submissions, each
submission is fine tuned by our reviewers.

Reviews for few sections are a little behind, around 20 proposals are yet
to be reviewed which we are working on.

The idea is proposers prepare the presentation considering the feedback
provided by the reviewers and upload the same. Reviewers would review the
presentations again and help them make it better. After the presentation
review, we would get the voting process started for the reviewers which is
an important part of talk selection.
The talk selection happens based on the presentation uploaded.
Just to update on our present state, we are in the stage of proposal
content review and the proposers are requested to upload the presentation.

Find the Reviewer Guidelines discussion
<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2015-January/009425.html>
happened on the mailing list for reference.

Looking forward for a great PyCon India!


Thanks,
PyCon India Team
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From shakthimaan at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 05:30:22 2015
From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:00:22 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
In-Reply-To: <CAHioFSffE76-T9MjQvtGYwh8pAWd_XKTnNi4E7-BJYn+x-KcDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHioFSffE76-T9MjQvtGYwh8pAWd_XKTnNi4E7-BJYn+x-KcDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABG-yt2roN6GDhzzd6y1SGCWy6=SowxG721w+QytvAxizK9+tg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

--- On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam
<vani.pree at gmail.com> wrote:
| The talk selection happens based on the presentation uploaded.
\--

I fail to understand how that can help determine the quality of a
talk. An excellent set of pictorial slides, and a bad speaker can
still make the talk worse.

SK

-- 
Shakthi Kannan
http://www.shakthimaan.com

From anandpillai at letterboxes.org  Mon Jun 22 05:34:09 2015
From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:04:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
In-Reply-To: <CABG-yt2roN6GDhzzd6y1SGCWy6=SowxG721w+QytvAxizK9+tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHioFSffE76-T9MjQvtGYwh8pAWd_XKTnNi4E7-BJYn+x-KcDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABG-yt2roN6GDhzzd6y1SGCWy6=SowxG721w+QytvAxizK9+tg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Monday 22 June 2015 09:00 AM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> --- On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam 
> <vani.pree at gmail.com> wrote: | The talk selection happens based on 
> the presentation uploaded. \--
> 
> I fail to understand how that can help determine the quality of a 
> talk. An excellent set of pictorial slides, and a bad speaker can 
> still make the talk worse.

Possibly she was oversimplifying a bit with that comment.

Talk slides is one of the factors used in evaluating a talk - the
evaluation is not only based on it.

Quality of speaker in terms of past history of talks is also one of
the factors.

> 
> SK
> 


- -- 
Regards,

- --Anand

- ----------------------------
Software Architect/Consultant
anandpillai at letterboxes.org

Cell: +919880078014
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From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 06:56:47 2015
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:26:47 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
In-Reply-To: <55878231.8080200@letterboxes.org>
References: <CAHioFSffE76-T9MjQvtGYwh8pAWd_XKTnNi4E7-BJYn+x-KcDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABG-yt2roN6GDhzzd6y1SGCWy6=SowxG721w+QytvAxizK9+tg@mail.gmail.com>
 <55878231.8080200@letterboxes.org>
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFzx1uZvGY0HZNXTV64gq7bxBTu+RbzTVCQz4pkK2k49rA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Anand B Pillai <anandpillai at letterboxes.org
> wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Monday 22 June 2015 09:00 AM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > --- On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam
> > <vani.pree at gmail.com> wrote: | The talk selection happens based on
> > the presentation uploaded. \--
> >
> > I fail to understand how that can help determine the quality of a
> > talk. An excellent set of pictorial slides, and a bad speaker can
> > still make the talk worse.
>
> Possibly she was oversimplifying a bit with that comment.
>
> Talk slides is one of the factors used in evaluating a talk - the
> evaluation is not only based on it.
>
> Quality of speaker in terms of past history of talks is also one of
> the factors.
>

No it is not a factor, at least as it appears from the reviewer guidelines.

There are clear guidelines to NOT consider the past speaking history, not
sure if that applies even to tutorials.

Quoting the "PyCon India 2015 Reviewers Guidelines":

- Reviewers will be judging the proposal based on content rather than
popularity of the speaker.
- Reviewers shouldn't discriminate proposers based on previous experience
like first timers aren't allowed.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1shJEldTgVIytP6lGI3J4BQtT7pS-cbP-fmwRfwE4GBY/edit

Anand
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From indradhanush.gupta at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 07:07:05 2015
From: indradhanush.gupta at gmail.com (Indradhanush Gupta)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:37:05 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
In-Reply-To: <CAHioFSffE76-T9MjQvtGYwh8pAWd_XKTnNi4E7-BJYn+x-KcDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHioFSffE76-T9MjQvtGYwh8pAWd_XKTnNi4E7-BJYn+x-KcDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO=EPqjmk5VF8JpHz+LHpp7Ue8GJouph2X85VsXH8BPsoncuSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just to update on our present state, we are in the stage of proposal
> content review and the proposers are requested to upload the presentation.
>

I've left space for code samples in my presentation. Is this okay? Or am I
expected to provide them as well before talk selection happens?

-- 
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Mon Jun 22 07:09:59 2015
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:39:59 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFzx1uZvGY0HZNXTV64gq7bxBTu+RbzTVCQz4pkK2k49rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHioFSffE76-T9MjQvtGYwh8pAWd_XKTnNi4E7-BJYn+x-KcDA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2daa87a337328f8ee496276ddb5eb513@hcoop.net>

On 2015-06-22 10:26, Anand Chitipothu wrote:
[..]
> Quoting the "PyCon India 2015 Reviewers Guidelines":
> 
> - Reviewers will be judging the proposal based on content rather than
> popularity of the speaker.
> - Reviewers shouldn't discriminate proposers based on previous
> experience like first timers aren't allowed.
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1shJEldTgVIytP6lGI3J4BQtT7pS-cbP-fmwRfwE4GBY/edit

This has to be made consistent. Either the document should be updated or 
the stand changed. The talk selection is an important part of the event 
and something that we can improve on. It should be as transparent as 
possible. I'm very much in favour of a set of guidelines that everyone 
acts by and uses to select talks but only if people adhere to it. 
Otherwise, it's will do more damage than good.

As a personal opinion, I think speaker history is exceedingly important 
in selecting a talk. Someone with a lot of experience in speaking and 
whose talks are well received is, in my opinion, a much better candidate 
than a first time speaker with a nice set of slides. This is however, as 
I've said, a personal opinion.

From anandpillai at letterboxes.org  Mon Jun 22 07:19:03 2015
From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:49:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Monday 22 June 2015 10:39 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On 2015-06-22 10:26, Anand Chitipothu wrote: [..]
>> Quoting the "PyCon India 2015 Reviewers Guidelines":
>> 
>> - Reviewers will be judging the proposal based on content rather
>> than popularity of the speaker. - Reviewers shouldn't
>> discriminate proposers based on previous experience like first
>> timers aren't allowed.

With the caveat that I haven't read the document, possibly it means
just to reduce the bias favoring regular speakers.

>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1shJEldTgVIytP6lGI3J4BQtT7pS-cbP-f
mwRfwE4GBY/edit
>>
>
>> 
> This has to be made consistent. Either the document should be
> updated or the stand changed. The talk selection is an important
> part of the event and something that we can improve on. It should
> be as transparent as possible. I'm very much in favour of a set of
> guidelines that everyone acts by and uses to select talks but only
> if people adhere to it. Otherwise, it's will do more damage than
> good.
> 
> As a personal opinion, I think speaker history is exceedingly
> important in selecting a talk. Someone with a lot of experience in
> speaking and whose talks are well received is, in my opinion, a
> much better candidate than a first time speaker with a nice set of
> slides. This is however, as I've said, a personal opinion.

It is also the question of how does one get experience unless one gets
exposure ? A kind of chicken-egg problem.

While giving weight to speaking experience, also allow new speakers a
chance.

Can be done by the policy of giving the history of the speaker some
weight when reviewing his proposal while allowing space for new
speakers in the list of overall proposals.

> _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing
> list Inpycon at python.org 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Mon Jun 22 07:23:00 2015
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:53:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On 2015-06-22 10:49, Anand B Pillai wrote:
[..]
> It is also the question of how does one get experience unless one gets
> exposure ? A kind of chicken-egg problem.

This is rehasing an old discussion that came up here. My opinion back 
then was
to have people speak at smaller events like user group meetings etc. 
before speaking
at a conference. There were some valid counters to that though.

I'm okay with either way really. Just that it should be clear and in 
black and white how things are being done.


From me at kracekumar.com  Mon Jun 22 12:20:29 2015
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 18:20:29 +0800
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.

It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
and proposer can keep on refining the content.

It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 18:20:29 +0800
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
instances where reviewer didn't submit the content till last week.

It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
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From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 12:37:56 2015
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:07:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

> Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
> instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.
>
Are you saying that past speaking experience is considered, but that is not
 the only criteria?
>
> It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
> acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
> and proposer can keep on refining the content.
>
I think you can ask for an outline, but asking for whole content before
accepting the proposal is probably too much. That'll give incentive for
people repeating a talk given elsewhere than people trying to propose a
completely new idea.

> It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
>
How do you know if the person is a good speaker, has public speaking
skills? Someone can write a beautiful proposal, but fail miserably on
stage. Thats why it is important to look at past videos if available.

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From anuvrat at anuvrat.in  Mon Jun 22 13:18:16 2015
From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:48:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
>> instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.
>>
> Are you saying that past speaking experience is considered, but that is
> not  the only criteria?
>>
>> It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
>> acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
>> and proposer can keep on refining the content.
>>
> I think you can ask for an outline, but asking for whole content before
> accepting the proposal is probably too much. That'll give incentive for
> people repeating a talk given elsewhere than people trying to propose a
> completely new idea.
>
>> It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
>>
> How do you know if the person is a good speaker, has public speaking
> skills? Someone can write a beautiful proposal, but fail miserably on
> stage. Thats why it is important to look at past videos if available.
>

Very true. Writing and Speaking are two very different skill sets.
IMO, theatrics should take precedence over subject matter.

Would we rather have a great programmer but extremely boring speaker on the
stage who puts everyone to sleep?
OR
An average programmer possessing the rare ability to effectively and
interactively communicate with the audience?

This year, lets not have even one person who gets up on the stage and "*reads
off their slides*" as 6-th grader, bluntly ignoring their years of service
to the community.

Peace
-- 
Anuvrat Parashar <http://anuvrat.in>
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From deshpande.jaidev at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 13:49:56 2015
From: deshpande.jaidev at gmail.com (Jaidev Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 17:19:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Anuvrat Parashar <anuvrat at anuvrat.in>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
>>> instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.
>>>
>> Are you saying that past speaking experience is considered, but that is
>> not  the only criteria?
>>>
>>> It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
>>> acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
>>> and proposer can keep on refining the content.
>>>
>> I think you can ask for an outline, but asking for whole content before
>> accepting the proposal is probably too much. That'll give incentive for
>> people repeating a talk given elsewhere than people trying to propose a
>> completely new idea.
>>
>
Agreed. Very few people have actually posted the whole content, and many
have not, but it is clear that they know what they're talking about. So
let's relax the content criterion a little bit and let the reviewers use
their judgment to decide whether a talk is worthwhile.


> It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
>>>
>> How do you know if the person is a good speaker, has public speaking
>> skills? Someone can write a beautiful proposal, but fail miserably on
>> stage. Thats why it is important to look at past videos if available.
>>
>
> Very true. Writing and Speaking are two very different skill sets.
> IMO, theatrics should take precedence over subject matter.
>

Interesting.


>
> Would we rather have a great programmer but extremely boring speaker on
> the stage who puts everyone to sleep?
> OR
> An average programmer possessing the rare ability to effectively and
> interactively communicate with the audience?
>
> This year, lets not have even one person who gets up on the stage and "*reads
> off their slides*" as 6-th grader, bluntly ignoring their years of
> service to the community.
>

> Peace
> --
> Anuvrat Parashar <http://anuvrat.in>
> http://anuvrat.in
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
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>


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From me at kracekumar.com  Mon Jun 22 16:22:21 2015
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 22:22:21 +0800
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Jun 22, 2015 16:48, "Anuvrat Parashar" <anuvrat at anuvrat.in> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.
>>
>> Are you saying that past speaking experience is considered, but that is
not  the only criteria?
>>>
>>> It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
and proposer can keep on refining the content.
>>
>> I think you can ask for an outline, but asking for whole content before
accepting the proposal is probably too much. That'll give incentive for
people repeating a talk given elsewhere than people trying to propose a
completely new idea.
>>>
>>> It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
>>
>> How do you know if the person is a good speaker, has public speaking
skills? Someone can write a beautiful proposal, but fail miserably on
stage. Thats why it is important to look at past videos if available.
>
>
> Very true. Writing and Speaking are two very different skill sets.
> IMO, theatrics should take precedence over subject matter.
>

If theatrics is the factor, we need to do invite only conference.

> Would we rather have a great programmer but extremely boring speaker on
the stage who puts everyone to sleep?
> OR
> An average programmer possessing the rare ability to effectively and
interactively communicate with the audience?
>
> This year, lets not have even one person who gets up on the stage and
"reads off their slides" as 6-th grader, bluntly ignoring their years of
service to the community.

Again, I am stressing this, you're creating reservation system by this
approach. If content is good they will any way get the chance. I don't see
any way we're hindering repeated speakers by this approach.

People can rehearse talks in front of the user group meetup/company
internal talks.

> Peace
> --
> Anuvrat Parashar
> http://anuvrat.in
>
>
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From me at kracekumar.com  Mon Jun 22 16:22:21 2015
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 22:22:21 +0800
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Jun 22, 2015 16:08, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.
>
> Are you saying that past speaking experience is considered, but that is
not  the only criteria?
>>
>> It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
and proposer can keep on refining the content.
>
> I think you can ask for an outline, but asking for whole content before
accepting the proposal is probably too much. That'll give incentive for
people repeating a talk given elsewhere than people trying to propose a
completely new idea.
>>
>> It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
>
> How do you know if the person is a good speaker, has public speaking
skills? Someone can write a beautiful proposal, but fail miserably on
stage. Thats why it is important to look at past videos if available.

What if someone can speak beautifully without any content ? At times people
got a chance for various reasons like no other talk is available, some one
turned down opportunity at last moment. I am discarding anyone's effort
here. Also, if they have previously spoken that doesn't guarantee they are
good at speaking.

Remember, everybody was a first timer one day. If you keep giving
preference to experienced ones, new comers with right content and knowledge
will never get a chance. The current guidelines doesn't favour new comers
also. It is based on the content.

Any one who is submitting talk should have equal chance of getting on to
stage. PyCon India should be inclusive.

To be honest heavily down voted talks had poor content.

Last year one of the well received talk was from a first timer. Also there
was average feedback for repeated speakers too.

> Anand
>
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 16:57:10 2015
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:27:10 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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Any one who is submitting talk should have equal chance of getting on to
stage. PyCon India should be inclusive.


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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Mon Jun 22 19:46:48 2015
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 23:16:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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Whatever the selection strategy, as long as the following are satisfied,
I think we're good. 

1. There should be a feedback system where we can get some proper
   details on whether the audience were generally happy with the talks
   or not.

2. The response to talks should be positive. 

3. Over time, the satisfaction should increase. 

As long as these are met, I think that the system, whatever it is, is
working. If not, we should take corrective measures. 

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anuvrat at anuvrat.in  Mon Jun 22 20:10:49 2015
From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 23:40:49 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

>
> On Jun 22, 2015 16:08, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
> instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.
> >
> > Are you saying that past speaking experience is considered, but that is
> not  the only criteria?
> >>
> >> It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
> acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
> and proposer can keep on refining the content.
> >
> > I think you can ask for an outline, but asking for whole content before
> accepting the proposal is probably too much. That'll give incentive for
> people repeating a talk given elsewhere than people trying to propose a
> completely new idea.
> >>
> >> It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
> >
> > How do you know if the person is a good speaker, has public speaking
> skills? Someone can write a beautiful proposal, but fail miserably on
> stage. Thats why it is important to look at past videos if available.
>
> What if someone can speak beautifully without any content ?
>
Request is to find a balance: and not to accept people with good content
who can't speak. Its called a "talk" for some reason - and not a "slide
reading" session.

> At times people got a chance for various reasons like no other talk is
> available, some one turned down opportunity at last moment. I am discarding
> anyone's effort here. Also, if they have previously spoken that doesn't
> guarantee they are good at speaking.
>
No, but it shows whether they can speak.
You wouldn't hire a programmer without seeing their code, how can we select
a speaker without watching/listening them talk?

Ask speakers to record themselves and send in a clip.
Share a video from previous talks.
Anything to show that they are fit for the task.


> Remember, everybody was a first timer one day. If you keep giving
> preference to experienced ones, new comers with right content and knowledge
> will never get a chance. The current guidelines doesn't favour new comers
> also. It is based on the content.
>
> Any one who is submitting talk should have equal chance of getting on to
> stage. PyCon India should be inclusive.
>
Sure. Agreed.  But not people who have a proven track record of "reading
off their slides for 30 minutes".


> To be honest heavily down voted talks had poor content.
>
> Last year one of the well received talk was from a first timer. Also there
> was average feedback for repeated speakers too.
>
> --
Anuvrat Parashar <http://anuvrat.in>
http://anuvrat.in
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From anuvrat at anuvrat.in  Mon Jun 22 20:14:07 2015
From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 23:44:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

>
> Whatever the selection strategy, as long as the following are satisfied,
> I think we're good.
>
> 1. There should be a feedback system where we can get some proper
>    details on whether the audience were generally happy with the talks
>    or not.
>
> 2. The response to talks should be positive.
>
> 3. Over time, the satisfaction should increase.
>
> As long as these are met, I think that the system, whatever it is, is
> working. If not, we should take corrective measures.
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>


These are golden rules.
I don't understand how the committee can apply these to select talks for
this pycon?

-- 
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From me at kracekumar.com  Mon Jun 22 20:37:49 2015
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 02:37:49 +0800
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Anuvrat Parashar <anuvrat at anuvrat.in>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2015 16:08, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
>> instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.
>> >
>> > Are you saying that past speaking experience is considered, but that is
>> not  the only criteria?
>> >>
>> >> It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
>> acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
>> and proposer can keep on refining the content.
>> >
>> > I think you can ask for an outline, but asking for whole content before
>> accepting the proposal is probably too much. That'll give incentive for
>> people repeating a talk given elsewhere than people trying to propose a
>> completely new idea.
>> >>
>> >> It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
>> >
>> > How do you know if the person is a good speaker, has public speaking
>> skills? Someone can write a beautiful proposal, but fail miserably on
>> stage. Thats why it is important to look at past videos if available.
>>
>> What if someone can speak beautifully without any content ?
>>
> Request is to find a balance: and not to accept people with good content
> who can't speak. Its called a "talk" for some reason - and not a "slide
> reading" session.
>
At times people got a chance for various reasons like no other talk is
>> available, some one turned down opportunity at last moment. I am discarding
>> anyone's effort here. Also, if they have previously spoken that doesn't
>> guarantee they are good at speaking.
>>
> No, but it shows whether they can speak.
> You wouldn't hire a programmer without seeing their code, how can we
> select a speaker without watching/listening them talk?
>
> Ask speakers to record themselves and send in a clip.
> Share a video from previous talks.
> Anything to show that they are fit for the task.
>
>

We had discussions previously and didn't feel it as practical. People are
complaining to submit the content, now asking them to take video ?
Listening to every one's videos is too much work for reviewers and
impractical.

> Remember, everybody was a first timer one day. If you keep giving
>> preference to experienced ones, new comers with right content and knowledge
>> will never get a chance. The current guidelines doesn't favour new comers
>> also. It is based on the content.
>>
>> Any one who is submitting talk should have equal chance of getting on to
>> stage. PyCon India should be inclusive.
>>
> Sure. Agreed.  But not people who have a proven track record of "reading
> off their slides for 30 minutes".
>
>
>> To be honest heavily down voted talks had poor content.
>>
>> Last year one of the well received talk was from a first timer. Also
>> there was average feedback for repeated speakers too.
>>
>> --
> Anuvrat Parashar <http://anuvrat.in>
> http://anuvrat.in
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
Regards
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http://kracekumar.com
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From me at kracekumar.com  Mon Jun 22 20:38:54 2015
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 02:38:54 +0800
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Anuvrat Parashar <anuvrat at anuvrat.in>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <
> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>
>>
>> Whatever the selection strategy, as long as the following are satisfied,
>> I think we're good.
>>
>> 1. There should be a feedback system where we can get some proper
>>    details on whether the audience were generally happy with the talks
>>    or not.
>>
>> 2. The response to talks should be positive.
>>
>> 3. Over time, the satisfaction should increase.
>>
>> As long as these are met, I think that the system, whatever it is, is
>> working. If not, we should take corrective measures.
>>
>> --
>> Cordially,
>> Noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
>
> These are golden rules.
> I don't understand how the committee can apply these to select talks for
> this pycon?
>
>
I don't find thread going any where, I am stopping here.


> --
> Anuvrat Parashar <http://anuvrat.in>
> http://anuvrat.in
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
Regards
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http://kracekumar.com
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From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 02:53:55 2015
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 06:23:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

>
> On Jun 22, 2015 16:08, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Past speaking experience shouldn't be only criteria, last year we had
> instances where proposer didn't submit the content till last week.
> >
> > Are you saying that past speaking experience is considered, but that is
> not  the only criteria?
> >>
> >> It should be based on the content, place holder for examples are
> acceptable. The broader point is to have the content appealable to reviewer
> and proposer can keep on refining the content.
> >
> > I think you can ask for an outline, but asking for whole content before
> accepting the proposal is probably too much. That'll give incentive for
> people repeating a talk given elsewhere than people trying to propose a
> completely new idea.
> >>
> >> It is pure meritocracy and level playground.
> >
> > How do you know if the person is a good speaker, has public speaking
> skills? Someone can write a beautiful proposal, but fail miserably on
> stage. Thats why it is important to look at past videos if available.
>
> What if someone can speak beautifully without any content ? At times
> people got a chance for various reasons like no other talk is available,
> some one turned down opportunity at last moment. I am discarding anyone's
> effort here. Also, if they have previously spoken that doesn't guarantee
> they are good at speaking.
>
> Remember, everybody was a first timer one day. If you keep giving
> preference to experienced ones, new comers with right content and knowledge
> will never get a chance. The current guidelines doesn't favour new comers
> also. It is based on the content.
>
Krace, my intention was not to start another flame war.

I'm sure you and others in the talk selection team would have thought and
discussed about all these.

Like Noufal pointed out the real issue is the mismatch between the
documentation and stand.

I'm sure there'll always be difference in opinions, it is part of the game.

> Any one who is submitting talk should have equal chance of getting on to
> stage. PyCon India should be inclusive.
>
> To be honest heavily down voted talks had poor content.
>
> Last year one of the well received talk was from a first timer. Also there
> was average feedback for repeated speakers too.
>
Fair.

Thanks for everyone in talk selection team for putting great efforts to get
awesome talks this year.

Just to make my stand clear, I'm not really against having first timers in
PyCon India, but I think past speaking history is an important factor. If
we knew that someone screwed up last year, no point letting him do the same
again.

Anand
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 05:01:55 2015
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:31:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PyCon India 2015] CFP status
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I'm sure you and others in the talk selection team would have thought and
discussed about all these.

Krace is part of organizing team hence he can't be in editorial
team(Selection Panel).
Let me make point clear this year editorial team is independent(as it was
last year) and are providing feedback based on merit of talk.

The Intent of the email was to share status of selection process which was
missing last year.
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 06:27:40 2015
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 09:57:40 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [X-post] [PyCon India 2015] Sponsorship
Message-ID: <CAHX9ajRP4AsOTn05DBKMcrZs67x=3jmo27AcdQxNmBbYHAysRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ,

As everyone is aware PyCon India 2015 is held in Bangalore on Oct 2nd - 4th
2015. PyCon India is a volunteer driven event, we have conducted six PyCon
India conferences so far and the upcoming 2015 conference is 7th year.
We have improved a lot throughout these 6 years and this year will be a
great one too.

Sponsorship makes the event accessible and affordable to the widest
possible audience and we are looking for sponsors.
Benefits


   -  PyCon India Banners and Posters speak about you and advertise your
   company.
   -  Opportunity to speak to other Python developers(more than 1000) and
   recruit them in a single place.
   -  You get free passes where you are allowed to explore the
   opportunities in Python world and expand your business sitting in a
   professional stall in PyCon India. You can demo your products, engage your
   visitors with technical discussions, share and learn, distribute goodies
   all up to you how you want to market your company!
   -  There is no other event in India which attracts people from zero
   experience and all the way through Python standard library contributors.
   -  Organization of strength 10, can avail  50% discount or become
   Associate sponsor.

For more information: https://in.pycon.org/2015/sponsorship.html

Interested? Reach us @ sponsorship at in.pycon.org and tell us the slot you
are looking for. Contribute back to the community by helping PyCon India
and Python community in India to grow.

Spread the word.
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 28 08:26:06 2015
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 11:56:06 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update
Message-ID: <CAHX9ajRyt+4z6NxWkpZeWX=CX4sn=v8wUwjVi6fpXvGPjsibZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
  Bad news to start , we have reached to Audrey Roy Greenfeld,Hilary Mason
and  Jessica McKellar . All of them are not available during PyCon India .

   We have approached Lynn Root but haven't heard back from her yet.
   We will wait till Wednesday to hear back from her before we approach
next members in our list.
   1) Armin Ronacher
   2) Alex Gaynor.

If any other suggestion you want to add let us know .
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From vani.pree at gmail.com  Sun Jun 28 11:34:27 2015
From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:04:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
Message-ID: <CAHioFScZiMpWcRO7B-hkVt=3jRRqCMGwq6msgi=+qcnun8+G_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We received a suggestion on PyCon India proposers presenting their talk in
local user group meetups to get early feedback from public on the talks
submitted.
We feel its a good idea as along with reviewer's feedback we can consider
the feedback what we get from local user groups as well.

Please let us know your thoughts on this.

Thanks,
Vanitha
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From me at kracekumar.com  Sun Jun 28 11:48:50 2015
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:18:50 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
In-Reply-To: <CAHioFScZiMpWcRO7B-hkVt=3jRRqCMGwq6msgi=+qcnun8+G_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHioFScZiMpWcRO7B-hkVt=3jRRqCMGwq6msgi=+qcnun8+G_A@mail.gmail.com>
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+1.

As part of BangPypers, we will be glad to have them present. As of now they
can choose to speak in July/August meetups [1] and [2].
In case more people are interested to speak, we can have one more slot on
Sep 12.

They can leave a comment in the meetup page with link to proposal and time
limit.

[1]: http://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/197867222/
[2]: http://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/205689452/


On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We received a suggestion on PyCon India proposers presenting their talk in
> local user group meetups to get early feedback from public on the talks
> submitted.
> We feel its a good idea as along with reviewer's feedback we can consider
> the feedback what we get from local user groups as well.
>
> Please let us know your thoughts on this.
>
> Thanks,
> Vanitha
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
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Kracekumar Ramaraju
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+91 85530 29521
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 08:01:28 2015
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:31:28 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
In-Reply-To: <CALWxmCRkRrfZeGMp2110fDJWYNgto329_Gda3GNEgKX81EipqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHioFScZiMpWcRO7B-hkVt=3jRRqCMGwq6msgi=+qcnun8+G_A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHX9ajS1b5gn26Snyjfhz5BtEHHEa7fOHVzCBWTHA3REPoH9pg@mail.gmail.com>

requesting all to provide their inputs.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

> +1.
>
> As part of BangPypers, we will be glad to have them present. As of now
> they can choose to speak in July/August meetups [1] and [2].
> In case more people are interested to speak, we can have one more slot on
> Sep 12.
>
> They can leave a comment in the meetup page with link to proposal and time
> limit.
>
> [1]: http://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/197867222/
> [2]: http://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/205689452/
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We received a suggestion on PyCon India proposers presenting their talk
>> in local user group meetups to get early feedback from public on the talks
>> submitted.
>> We feel its a good idea as along with reviewer's feedback we can consider
>> the feedback what we get from local user groups as well.
>>
>> Please let us know your thoughts on this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vanitha
>>
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From sree at mahiti.org  Mon Jun 29 08:02:55 2015
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:32:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update
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On 28 June 2015 at 11:56, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

>    We have approached Lynn Root but haven't heard back from her yet.
>    We will wait till Wednesday to hear back from her before we approach
> next members in our list.
>    1) Armin Ronacher
>    2) Alex Gaynor.
>
> If any other suggestion you want to add let us know .
>

Ashwini Oruganti. Anand Pillai knows her I think.
Regards,
- sree


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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 12:53:19 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:23:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> Please let us know your thoughts on this.

+1.

>From Chennaipy, we'd be happy to have people come forward and present.
July and August meetups are available but haven't yet been announced.
If anyone wants to speak, they can drop me an email and will add them
to the list of talks when the meetups are announced.

Regards,
Shrayas

From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 13:09:21 2015
From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:39:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com> wrote:
> We received a suggestion on PyCon India proposers presenting their talk in
> local user group meetups to get early feedback from public on the talks
> submitted.

How was this suggestion received and would you be able to provide a
link to the conversation (email etc) bringing this up?

> We feel its a good idea as along with reviewer's feedback we can consider
> the feedback what we get from local user groups as well.

Unless this was clearly mentioned prior to the CfP being opened up and
submissions review being underway, this would be somewhat unfair to
the due process.

This is a good idea but the implementation and inclusion of the
feedback (qualitative/quantitative) is required to be thought through
and possibly made part of 2016.



-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan>

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 13:47:12 2015
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:17:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:39 PM, sankarshan <foss.mailinglists at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We received a suggestion on PyCon India proposers presenting their talk
> in
> > local user group meetups to get early feedback from public on the talks
> > submitted.
>
> How was this suggestion received and would you be able to provide a
> link to the conversation (email etc) bringing this up?
>

It is not clear to me if the feedback to for the reviewers to decide
whether or not to select the talk or for the speaker.

If it is for the reviewers, then talk selection is no more a "level
playground" as the people from non metro cities are at disadvantage.

If it is for the proposer of the talk, then what is point of doing a
rehearsal even before the talk is selected?

> We feel its a good idea as along with reviewer's feedback we can consider
> > the feedback what we get from local user groups as well.
>
> Unless this was clearly mentioned prior to the CfP being opened up and
> submissions review being underway, this would be somewhat unfair to
> the due process.
>

-1 from me.

I think we are complicating the CFP little too much.


> This is a good idea but the implementation and inclusion of the
> feedback (qualitative/quantitative) is required to be thought through
> and possibly made part of 2016.
>

This is just another way of asking for prior speaking experience and find
out how good they are by looking at the videos and/or feedback from that
session.

When I suggested the same, my suggestion was strongly rejected saying the
first timers should be encouraged.

Anand
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From vani.pree at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 16:56:09 2015
From: vani.pree at gmail.com (Vanitha Shanmugam)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 20:26:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
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>
>
> > We received a suggestion on PyCon India proposers presenting their talk
> in
> > local user group meetups to get early feedback from public on the talks
> > submitted.
>
> How was this suggestion received and would you be able to provide a
> link to the conversation (email etc) bringing this up?
>

Unfortunately I could not share a link to the conversation as it was a
suggestion provided through email to me. It was not brought up in any
mailing list or public forum and that was the reason this thread was
started to discuss on the pros and cons and to understand the feasibility
of it.


>
> > We feel its a good idea as along with reviewer's feedback we can consider
> > the feedback what we get from local user groups as well.
>
> Unless this was clearly mentioned prior to the CfP being opened up and
> submissions review being underway, this would be somewhat unfair to
> the due process.


Agreed.


>
> This is a good idea but the implementation and inclusion of the
> feedback (qualitative/quantitative) is required to be thought through
> and possibly made part of 2016.
>
>
Yes, we can consider this for next year.
IMO, we can leave this to proposers this year. If a proposer wants to
present his/her talk and get feedback for themselves prior to PyCon India
they can approach the local user groups and plan things.

Thanks,
Vanitha
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 05:27:15 2015
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:57:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
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>From phone

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> > We received a suggestion on PyCon India proposers presenting their talk
>> in
>> > local user group meetups to get early feedback from public on the talks
>> > submitted.
>>
>> How was this suggestion received and would you be able to provide a
>> link to the conversation (email etc) bringing this up?
>>
>
> Unfortunately I could not share a link to the conversation as it was a
> suggestion provided through email to me. It was not brought up in any
> mailing list or public forum and that was the reason this thread was
> started to discuss on the pros and cons and to understand the feasibility
> of it.
>
>
>>
>> > We feel its a good idea as along with reviewer's feedback we can
>> consider
>> > the feedback what we get from local user groups as well.
>>
>> Unless this was clearly mentioned prior to the CfP being opened up and
>> submissions review being underway, this would be somewhat unfair to
>> the due process.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>>
>> This is a good idea but the implementation and inclusion of the
>> feedback (qualitative/quantitative) is required to be thought through
>> and possibly made part of 2016.
>>
>>
> Yes, we can consider this for next year.
> IMO, we can leave this to proposers this year. If a proposer wants to
> present his/her talk and get feedback for themselves prior to PyCon India
> they can approach the local user groups and plan things.
>
>
What about the projects who wants to announce first time in PyCon only?

Kushal


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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 05:58:39 2015
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:28:39 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Suggestion on CFP
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>
> What about the projects who wants to announce first time in PyCon only?
>
> Not clear what you meant by Project ?
> <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>
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