From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 17:00:44 2012
From: svaksha at gmail.com (Vid)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:00:44 +0000
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG8hg+U6GR7OHZ6kaVNN=d2PxPnUFLuNnigYDAGHq-fudg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

I could not attend Pycon-IN this year but did check out the videos on
Youtube and didnt find too many of them for 2012 - was there a
different tag or are they being hosted elsewhere?

Fwiw, I was talking to Carl Karsten, the unofficially official A/V
master for all things PyCon. So far, has done videos for: PyCon DE
2012, and 11, DjangoCon 2009,10,11, PyOhio 2009,10,11 , SciPy 2012,
PyCon US 2012 and, 08, 09,10,11, PyGotham 2011, PyTexas 2011 and I was
blown away by the recording quality.

I would like to see Pycon-India talks have the same quality that you
see listed on http://pyvideo.org/, so I asked if he would be
interested in visiting India and helping us out in 2013 and he is
interested, but here are some things we need to consider:

1. Travel costs - Chicago to Bangalore (Can someone confirm if
Pycon-IN 2013 will be held in BLR?) flight cost for him and his
colleague.
2. He needs volunteers to work with him during the conference (which
is how he keeps costs down).
Here are some links from their discussions on the pyconca list below:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/pyconca/bJ3ez_ni0zE/nu240JWWrUoJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pyconca/dxNCKpMMWM4/E8A5MNXc6dEJ>
<https://github.com/codersquid/veyepar/wiki/conference-recording-thoughts>

For those who think its too early to decide for 2013, do remember that
he has quite a busy schedule. Also, I'd like to ask Carl to follow the
discussion online, and earlier the list was private, so I am CC'ing
him.

Thoughts?

Thanks and Regards,
Vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 18:04:03 2012
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:34:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
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Many of the videos had been recorded by the setup Jace had. He has
been uploading them on Youtube I guess.

Carl, Thanks for the fabulous job for the Pycon videos. I could not
attend US Pycon and the video quality was fantastic. Too early to say
whether I can volunteer but if I am around I surely will.

Regards
Vinayak

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Vid <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Folks,
>
> I could not attend Pycon-IN this year but did check out the videos on
> Youtube and didnt find too many of them for 2012 - was there a
> different tag or are they being hosted elsewhere?
>
> Fwiw, I was talking to Carl Karsten, the unofficially official A/V
> master for all things PyCon. So far, has done videos for: PyCon DE
> 2012, and 11, DjangoCon 2009,10,11, PyOhio 2009,10,11 , SciPy 2012,
> PyCon US 2012 and, 08, 09,10,11, PyGotham 2011, PyTexas 2011 and I was
> blown away by the recording quality.
>
> I would like to see Pycon-India talks have the same quality that you
> see listed on http://pyvideo.org/, so I asked if he would be
> interested in visiting India and helping us out in 2013 and he is
> interested, but here are some things we need to consider:
>
> 1. Travel costs - Chicago to Bangalore (Can someone confirm if
> Pycon-IN 2013 will be held in BLR?) flight cost for him and his
> colleague.
> 2. He needs volunteers to work with him during the conference (which
> is how he keeps costs down).
> Here are some links from their discussions on the pyconca list below:
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/pyconca/bJ3ez_ni0zE/nu240JWWrUoJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pyconca/dxNCKpMMWM4/E8A5MNXc6dEJ>
> <https://github.com/codersquid/veyepar/wiki/conference-recording-thoughts>
>
> For those who think its too early to decide for 2013, do remember that
> he has quite a busy schedule. Also, I'd like to ask Carl to follow the
> discussion online, and earlier the list was private, so I am CC'ing
> him.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon

From me at kracekumar.com  Thu Nov 22 18:10:08 2012
From: me at kracekumar.com (me kracekumar)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:40:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG8hg+U6GR7OHZ6kaVNN=d2PxPnUFLuNnigYDAGHq-fudg@mail.gmail.com>
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I am one of the person who operated camera for Pycon India 2012 and
processed 2 set of videos(out of 3) and uploaded few of the videos.

I have seen the site and I often watch Pycon US and Europe videos.

Please keep in mind this year we ran short of volunteers and time.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Vid <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Folks,
>
> I could not attend Pycon-IN this year but did check out the videos on
> Youtube and didnt find too many of them for 2012 - was there a
> different tag or are they being hosted elsewhere?
>
> I have processed 2/3 sets o video. So far video size is few hundred GB.

Why hasn't this been uploaded ?

I work at HasGeek and we helped in shooting Pycon video. After processing
these video, I have no bandwidth in company to upload the video since we
are working on our JsFoo & DroidCon video.

I would love to upload all these videos from my home internet unfortunately
I use Reliance Netconnect with 10GB cap,
so I have no option to upload video. If some one has very high speed
internet/ Unlimited connection please help us out.


Fwiw, I was talking to Carl Karsten, the unofficially official A/V
> master for all things PyCon. So far, has done videos for: PyCon DE
> 2012, and 11, DjangoCon 2009,10,11, PyOhio 2009,10,11 , SciPy 2012,
> PyCon US 2012 and, 08, 09,10,11, PyGotham 2011, PyTexas 2011 and I was
> blown away by the recording quality.
>
> I would like to see Pycon-India talks have the same quality that you
> see listed on http://pyvideo.org/, so I asked if he would be
> interested in visiting India and helping us out in 2013 and he is
> interested, but here are some things we need to consider:
>
> 1. Travel costs - Chicago to Bangalore (Can someone confirm if
> Pycon-IN 2013 will be held in BLR?) flight cost for him and his
> colleague.
> 2. He needs volunteers to work with him during the conference (which
> is how he keeps costs down).
> Here are some links from their discussions on the pyconca list below:
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/pyconca/bJ3ez_ni0zE/nu240JWWrUoJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pyconca/dxNCKpMMWM4/E8A5MNXc6dEJ>
> <https://github.com/codersquid/veyepar/wiki/conference-recording-thoughts>
>
>
It takes one month process videos + insert slides to make good talk,
without slides + video + voice sync the videos are terrible. That one has
to edit the video + insert the appropriate slides. As a result person who
is processing the video  needs to watch all the video. Manpower ?

Have a look at the videos: http://youtube.com/user/hasgeek

For all HasGeek conference we have a 8GB machine with Video card + other
special software which does live streaming which takes care of syncing
slides + audio + video . This is also prone to failure since there are
moving parts like projector connection, speaker laptop connection, video
camera connection, sound mixer connection, wireless receiver.

Apart from this first timers who handle the equipments will face a lot of
difficulties. It needs quite a lot of training.
So volunteers need to trained up front.

For those who think its too early to decide for 2013, do remember that
> he has quite a busy schedule. Also, I'd like to ask Carl to follow the
> discussion online, and earlier the list was private, so I am CC'ing
> him.
>
>
It nice that Carl wants to help us. But please keep in mind every venue is
different and will give a lot of problems. So you need to do real testing
of the entire setup, before a day and we need volunteers to operate camera.


Thoughts?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 19:03:16 2012
From: svaksha at gmail.com (Vid)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
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On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM, me kracekumar <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:
> Please keep in mind this year we ran short of volunteers and time.

I know how hard it is to find volunteers :)


> I work at HasGeek and we helped in shooting Pycon video. After processing

Ah, I didnt know HasGeek had the contract this year. Was under the
impression it was outsourced to the company that did it in 2010.


> It takes one month process videos + insert slides to make good talk, without
> slides + video + voice sync the videos are terrible. That one has to edit
> the video + insert the appropriate slides. As a result person who is
> processing the video  needs to watch all the video. Manpower ?
>
> Have a look at the videos: http://youtube.com/user/hasgeek
>
> For all HasGeek conference we have a 8GB machine with Video card + other
> special software which does live streaming which takes care of syncing
> slides + audio + video . This is also prone to failure since there are
> moving parts like projector connection, speaker laptop connection, video
> camera connection, sound mixer connection, wireless receiver.
>
> Apart from this first timers who handle the equipments will face a lot of
> difficulties. It needs quite a lot of training.
> So volunteers need to trained up front.

Correct me if I am wrong but I think the crucial difference lies in
the equipment being used as I spoke to a volunteer on Carl's team, who
mentioned they did live editing - saw some of the equipment and from
Carl's site, http://nextdayvideo.com/,

    Editing takes place as the talk is going on. This means the editor
is in the room, watching the talk and everything going on. This gives
them an advantage over someone who only has the raw footage to work
with.
    Once the talk is over, a significant amount of work has already
been completed.
    The post production is not labor intensive. We make sure the video
starts and ends at the right place, maybe remove large blocks of dead
air. The titling, encoding and upload is done with automated workflow
software we wrote.
The gets a great quality video ready for viewing in a minimal amount of time.
</quote>

Although she offered to to train me in less than 2 hours at pycon, I
could not sign up as I had signed up to be a runner....but, next time!
Setting aside the bandwidth issue, it does seem you (HG) are stuck
with the post-processing (very time-consuming, by which time the next
event crops up and its a never-ending cycle) so I see a difference in
process and am trying to understand if that step can be eliminated.
Equipment can be very expensive, and I dont know if all the funky
equipment they use will be available for hire in India, nor how much
it will cost, etc.. but I thought it would be nice if we can learn how
they do it, so if there is any interest, Carl can help out.


> It nice that Carl wants to help us. But please keep in mind every venue is
> different and will give a lot of problems. So you need to do real testing of
> the entire setup, before a day and we need volunteers to operate camera.

The link I sent earlier mentions all that and more of what they do.

-- 
Regards,
Vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Thu Nov 22 19:13:44 2012
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 23:43:44 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG8X8w5o=hRP1EG-V78kDV+zPvwjdjwB-VRaXFnMxy3r6w@mail.gmail.com>
	(Vid's message of "Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:03:16 -0500")
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Vid <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:

[...]

> Ah, I didnt know HasGeek had the contract this year. Was under the
> impression it was outsourced to the company that did it in 2010.

Not really outsourced like the past few years. HasGeek helped us since
the founder is a Pythonista and an active volunteer. The fact that their
business is conferences is a happy coincidence. 


[...]

>     Editing takes place as the talk is going on. This means the editor
> is in the room, watching the talk and everything going on. This gives
> them an advantage over someone who only has the raw footage to work
> with.

HasGeek does it the same way. Once the talk is over, the video is ready
to be uploaded. There were a few snags but the problems, as far as I
know, were all incidental and avoidable.


[...]


>> It nice that Carl wants to help us. But please keep in mind every
>> venue is different and will give a lot of problems. So you need to do
>> real testing of the entire setup, before a day and we need volunteers
>> to operate camera.
>
> The link I sent earlier mentions all that and more of what they do.

I'm sure we'd benefit from Carl's experience. However, It is expensive
to fly someone in and back though so it highly depends on the the
budget. Video recording doesn't usually figure as a big piece and if we
have to get someone from abroad to do it, it might raise our costs
significantly.

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 19:50:32 2012
From: svaksha at gmail.com (Vid)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
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On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>
> Not really outsourced like the past few years. HasGeek helped us since
> the founder is a Pythonista and an active volunteer. The fact that their
> business is conferences is a happy coincidence.
[....]
> HasGeek does it the same way. Once the talk is over, the video is ready
> to be uploaded. There were a few snags but the problems, as far as I
> know, were all incidental and avoidable.
[....]
> I'm sure we'd benefit from Carl's experience. However, It is expensive
> to fly someone in and back though so it highly depends on the the
> budget. Video recording doesn't usually figure as a big piece and if we
> have to get someone from abroad to do it, it might raise our costs
> significantly.
>

Thanks Noufal. Your statements contradict what Kracekumar wrote
earlier, but I dont wish to nit-pick. Fwiw, your tone made it quite
clear why its impossibly hard to even try to help or have a discussion
offering an alternate suggestion. My bad, wont happen again.. and
Goodluck.

Regards,
Vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?

From me at kracekumar.com  Thu Nov 22 19:53:49 2012
From: me at kracekumar.com (me kracekumar)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:23:49 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Vid <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not really outsourced like the past few years. HasGeek helped us since
> > the founder is a Pythonista and an active volunteer. The fact that their
> > business is conferences is a happy coincidence.
> [....]
> > HasGeek does it the same way. Once the talk is over, the video is ready
> > to be uploaded. There were a few snags but the problems, as far as I
> > know, were all incidental and avoidable.
> [....]
> > I'm sure we'd benefit from Carl's experience. However, It is expensive
> > to fly someone in and back though so it highly depends on the the
> > budget. Video recording doesn't usually figure as a big piece and if we
> > have to get someone from abroad to do it, it might raise our costs
> > significantly.
> >
>
> Thanks Noufal. Your statements contradict what Kracekumar wrote
> earlier,


I have mentioned about it

"""
For all HasGeek conference we have a 8GB machine with Video card + other
special software which does live streaming which takes care of syncing
slides + audio + video . This is also prone to failure since there are
moving parts like projector connection, speaker laptop connection, video
camera connection, sound mixer connection, wireless receiver
"""


> but I dont wish to nit-pick. Fwiw, your tone made it quite
> clear why its impossibly hard to even try to help or have a discussion
> offering an alternate suggestion. My bad, wont happen again.. and
> Goodluck.
>
> Regards,
> Vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Fri Nov 23 02:10:53 2012
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:40:53 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
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Vid <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> Thanks Noufal. Your statements contradict what Kracekumar wrote
> earlier, but I dont wish to nit-pick. Fwiw, your tone made it quite
> clear why its impossibly hard to even try to help or have a discussion
> offering an alternate suggestion.

? 


[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From kausikram at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 05:59:22 2012
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:29:22 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
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>
> Thanks Noufal. Your statements contradict what Kracekumar wrote
> earlier, but I dont wish to nit-pick. Fwiw, your tone made it quite
> clear why its impossibly hard to even try to help or have a discussion
> offering an alternate suggestion. My bad, wont happen again.. and
> Goodluck.
>

This IS nitpicking.

-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
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From benignbala at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 06:16:45 2012
From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:46:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
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Hi,

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:29 AM, kausikram krishnasayee
<kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Noufal. Your statements contradict what Kracekumar wrote
>> earlier, but I dont wish to nit-pick. Fwiw, your tone made it quite
>> clear why its impossibly hard to even try to help or have a discussion
>> offering an alternate suggestion. My bad, wont happen again.. and
>> Goodluck.
>
>
> This IS nitpicking.
>

       And, I did not find anything in Noufal's tone that conveyed
whatever Vid is claiming. A (valid, good) suggestion was made, and
Noufal explained why it was difficult to do what was suggested. I
don't see anything wrong at all.

And moreover, we are still discussing stuff. Noufal did not say "No,
we are not doing that", what he said was that it depends on the
budget, and that it increases our costs and that argument is certainly
valid. Thanks


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From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:59:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Carl and pyvideo.org for Pycon-India-2013?
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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Vid <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>>
>> Not really outsourced like the past few years. HasGeek helped us since
>> the founder is a Pythonista and an active volunteer. The fact that their
>> business is conferences is a happy coincidence.
> [....]
>> HasGeek does it the same way. Once the talk is over, the video is ready
>> to be uploaded. There were a few snags but the problems, as far as I
>> know, were all incidental and avoidable.
> [....]
>> I'm sure we'd benefit from Carl's experience. However, It is expensive
>> to fly someone in and back though so it highly depends on the the
>> budget. Video recording doesn't usually figure as a big piece and if we
>> have to get someone from abroad to do it, it might raise our costs
>> significantly.
>>
>
> Thanks Noufal. Your statements contradict what Kracekumar wrote
> earlier, but I dont wish to nit-pick. Fwiw, your tone made it quite
> clear why its impossibly hard to even try to help or have a discussion
> offering an alternate suggestion. My bad, wont happen again.. and
> Goodluck.

I don't see anything is wrong with what Noufal said.

We had Kiran and Krace helping us with video recording. Kiran is very
experienced editor. We too could have got HasGeek quality video if we
had volunteers to process the videos.

I'm not underestimating the experience of  Carl, but one of the big
issues for us is lack of volunteers.

Even now, if someone is ready to help, we can process the videos to
remove noise and insert slides. Anyone interested?

Anand