From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 05:18:07 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:48:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Awesome, Can we have them on youtube or blip.tv soon, PyCon videos are
> usually seen on blip.tv

Does blip.tv allows storing high-res videos? If not we can host them
on Internet Archive.

http://www.archive.org

Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:54:31 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:24:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] My follow-up post
Message-ID: <8548c5f30909302154u41e5a5ddue87218dbd0ad84e2@mail.gmail.com>

Here is my recent post in PyCon blog regarding the event.

http://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/09/pycon-india-receives-fantastic-response.html

Thumbs up to everyone for making this a success!

Thanks

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From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:21:05 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:51:05 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] My follow-up post
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30909302154u41e5a5ddue87218dbd0ad84e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30909302154u41e5a5ddue87218dbd0ad84e2@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is my recent post in PyCon blog regarding the event.
>
> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/09/pycon-india-receives-fantastic-response.html
>
> Thumbs up to everyone for making this a success!
>
> Thanks

Venue is not "CSA Lecture Halls", it is just "Lecture Hall Complex".

Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 08:16:58 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:46:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] My follow-up post
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0909302221k352d6ca8v2921cecbd1ef8af6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30909302154u41e5a5ddue87218dbd0ad84e2@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Here is my recent post in PyCon blog regarding the event.
> >
> >
> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/09/pycon-india-receives-fantastic-response.html
> >
> > Thumbs up to everyone for making this a success!
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Venue is not "CSA Lecture Halls", it is just "Lecture Hall Complex".
>

  This was copied from the inpycon.org site. Here is it below.

 "
Venue

       CSA Lecture Halls, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore
(map<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Indian+Institute+of+Science,+Bangalore&sll=51.515731,-0.125307&sspn=0.009734,0.020964&ie=UTF8&ei=_jgZStSAPJL8uQP5w8iqAQ&attrid=&sig2=uE4kczWdhagM5fmspm2Wpw&cd=4&cid=13017101,77567081,14439003130647671851&li=lmd>
)

"
Actually, this confused me the first day since I walked all the way to CSA
building and found nothing there.


> Anand
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:51:05 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:21:05 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Awesome, Can we have them on youtube or blip.tv soon, PyCon videos are
>> usually seen on blip.tv
>
> Does blip.tv allows storing high-res videos? If not we can host them
> on Internet Archive.
>
> http://www.archive.org

blip (or surely vimeo) must allow high res. WE need low res too for
people who just want to listen. PErhaps on youtube.


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From aneesh.nl at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:45:55 2009
From: aneesh.nl at gmail.com (Aneesh A)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:15:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Whether it is possible to see the videos of pycon
	conference?
In-Reply-To: <f36e1c1a0909291001k75b7404dh7a68f42a7568b7c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030909271012y5eb39b4dtae566c244379a232@mail.gmail.com> 
	<90c47fb0909290020q65626a81ja4ac840b9e492ef1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0909290416l450f6ba8j62fbdc2ebc741bbf@mail.gmail.com> 
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Fine..

But the videos should be available in blip.tv (Low res.) also...
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From scorpion032 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 09:23:14 2009
From: scorpion032 at gmail.com (Lakshman Prasad)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:53:14 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Pycon Stats
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0909300203o720b4a5apdf03a5b74f2a56e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30909290223x46448b63o5153601001327c39@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d38edb550910030023oa3fd1ebsd055b43d638a9230@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I wrote a follow up post on our blog:
http://uswaretech.com/blog/2009/10/pycon-india-2009/


On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am working on a writeup of the event. I will post it on my blog and
> mail everyone.
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:28 AM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 15:08, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> > <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would like to post a follow up post to Pycon blog regarding the
> conference
> >> tonight,
> >
> > I could not attend but got calls saying i had missed a great event ..darn
> :(
> >
> > Congratulations for pulling this off :) Once you have blogged do mail
> > the conferences list. Else here - i'll forward it.
> >
> > --
> > vid
> > http://vid.svaksha.com ||
> > _______________________________________________
> > Inpycon mailing list
> > Inpycon at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 09:46:11 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:16:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Pycon Stats
In-Reply-To: <d38edb550910030023oa3fd1ebsd055b43d638a9230@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30909290223x46448b63o5153601001327c39@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00909291958h75fbb18ew4beb4789ee00a65@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909300203o720b4a5apdf03a5b74f2a56e0@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ae55eb500910030046q3664d823y59f00b61fe014fa5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Lakshman Prasad <scorpion032 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
> I wrote a follow up post on our blog:
> http://uswaretech.com/blog/2009/10/pycon-india-2009/
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am working on a writeup of the event. I will post it on my blog and
>> mail everyone.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:28 AM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 15:08, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> > <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would like to post a follow up post to Pycon blog regarding the
>> conference
>> >> tonight,
>> >
>> > I could not attend but got calls saying i had missed a great event
>> ..darn :(
>> >
>> > Congratulations for pulling this off :) Once you have blogged do mail
>> > the conferences list. Else here - i'll forward it.
>> >
>> > --
>> > vid
>> > http://vid.svaksha.com ||
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Inpycon mailing list
>> > Inpycon at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Lakshman
> becomingguru.com
> lakshmanprasad.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>
My post Pycon India 2009
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog/archive/2009/09/29/pycon-india-2009-a-report.html


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From ideamonk at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 09:51:11 2009
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:21:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Pycon Stats
In-Reply-To: <ae55eb500910030046q3664d823y59f00b61fe014fa5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30909290223x46448b63o5153601001327c39@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00909291958h75fbb18ew4beb4789ee00a65@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909300203o720b4a5apdf03a5b74f2a56e0@mail.gmail.com>
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	<ae55eb500910030046q3664d823y59f00b61fe014fa5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64160c70910030051t42eaae25y2469e5c94c5a6088@mail.gmail.com>

My short personal note on PyCon India 09 -
http://ideamonk.blogspot.com/2009/09/pycon-india-2009.html

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Lakshman Prasad <scorpion032 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I wrote a follow up post on our
>> blog:?http://uswaretech.com/blog/2009/10/pycon-india-2009/
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am working on a writeup of the event. I will post it on my blog and
>>> mail everyone.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:28 AM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
>>> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 15:08, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>>> > <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I would like to post a follow up post to Pycon blog regarding the
>>> >> conference
>>> >> tonight,
>>> >
>>> > I could not attend but got calls saying i had missed a great event
>>> > ..darn :(
>>> >
>>> > Congratulations for pulling this off :) Once you have blogged do mail
>>> > the conferences list. Else here - i'll forward it.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > vid
>>> > http://vid.svaksha.com ||
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Inpycon mailing list
>>> > Inpycon at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~noufal
>>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Inpycon mailing list
>>> Inpycon at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Lakshman
>> becomingguru.com
>> lakshmanprasad.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
> My post Pycon India 2009
> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog/archive/2009/09/29/pycon-india-2009-a-report.html
>
>
> --
> **********************************
> JAGANADH G
> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 07:34:42 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:04:42 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Awesome, Can we have them on youtube or blip.tv soon, PyCon videos are
> >> usually seen on blip.tv
> >
> > Does blip.tv allows storing high-res videos? If not we can host them
> > on Internet Archive.
> >
> > http://www.archive.org
>
> blip (or surely vimeo) must allow high res. WE need low res too for
> people who just want to listen. PErhaps on youtube.


  Have any of these been posted anywhere or seeded yet ?
  If not, can we do this quickly keeping the momentum of the conf
  alive ?

  If this needs to be torrentized and seeded I can take care of this
  and setup my laptop to seed the high-res version of the talks
  as AVI files. Let me know.

  As a start, it would make sense to post low-res content on
  youtube et cetera. But please do this quickly.


>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>


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From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 19:40:18 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:10:18 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Thanks!
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Message-ID: <9963e56e0910041040t64fd1335wbca846ce58cc426c@mail.gmail.com>

Just got back to Bangalore. We have a couple of open things to wrap up
before the dust settles. I'll send out a list and make some phone
calls tomorrow.  Will people be around on 9 or 10 th fo the month?
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 12:18:31 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:48:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910050316j583d676bicf02dae22efbed9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
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	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> How did the US pycon ?people get the pycon.blip.tv URL? Do we have to
>> pay for it? Is there anyone here who can help with that? Any
>> preferences on video sites? ?I think we should have one youtube
>> low-res version for low b/w connections and torrents for the actual
>> avi files and high res flash versions on blip or something for higher
>> b/w viewers.
>
> Ah. It's a standard thing. I'll create a pyconindia account there.

Bleh. Someone has already created a pyconindia account. Who is it?
Anyone on this list?


-- 
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 13:18:10 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:48:10 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910050318n218c4200u2d2b1d29bff13752@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050314pefed634je32f68ed24b47b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050316j583d676bicf02dae22efbed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050318n218c4200u2d2b1d29bff13752@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910050418mcdf1a76ufda28b66be3e49fa@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> [..]
>>> How did the US pycon ?people get the pycon.blip.tv URL? Do we have to
>>> pay for it? Is there anyone here who can help with that? Any
>>> preferences on video sites? ?I think we should have one youtube
>>> low-res version for low b/w connections and torrents for the actual
>>> avi files and high res flash versions on blip or something for higher
>>> b/w viewers.
>>
>> Ah. It's a standard thing. I'll create a pyconindia account there.
>
> Bleh. Someone has already created a pyconindia account. Who is it?
> Anyone on this list?

Anyone?


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~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 15:37:45 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:07:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910041040t64fd1335wbca846ce58cc426c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0909270616t24d63e68y3965f48cf91dbc3a@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910050637u4654320el7e6ea9b2781480df@mail.gmail.com>

Can you mail me Aditya's number again? Unfortunately I couldnt hand over the
banner on wednesday

Ramdas
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From ashok.raavi at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 05:43:07 2009
From: ashok.raavi at gmail.com (ashok raavi)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:13:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910050418mcdf1a76ufda28b66be3e49fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> [..]
> >>> How did the US pycon  people get the pycon.blip.tv URL? Do we have to
> >>> pay for it? Is there anyone here who can help with that? Any
> >>> preferences on video sites?  I think we should have one youtube
> >>> low-res version for low b/w connections and torrents for the actual
> >>> avi files and high res flash versions on blip or something for higher
> >>> b/w viewers.
> >>
> >> Ah. It's a standard thing. I'll create a pyconindia account there.
> >
> > Bleh. Someone has already created a pyconindia account. Who is it?
> > Anyone on this list?
>
> Anyone?
>

I created the account on blip.tv for uploading the videos, but I didn't
uploaded any.

Sent the password to you, Noufal, on messenger.


>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 05:45:11 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:15:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910041040t64fd1335wbca846ce58cc426c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0909270616t24d63e68y3965f48cf91dbc3a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just got back to Bangalore. We have a couple of open things to wrap up
> before the dust settles. I'll send out a list and make some phone
> calls tomorrow.  Will people be around on 9 or 10 th fo the month?
>

 +1 for a meeting this week-end to discuss follow-ups.


> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 06:29:38 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:59:38 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <2aa122da0910052043g15b2ec99m8c39b67fa2d02d84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050314pefed634je32f68ed24b47b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050316j583d676bicf02dae22efbed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050318n218c4200u2d2b1d29bff13752@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:13 AM, ashok raavi <ashok.raavi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> [..]
>> >>> How did the US pycon ?people get the pycon.blip.tv URL? Do we have to
>> >>> pay for it? Is there anyone here who can help with that? Any
>> >>> preferences on video sites? ?I think we should have one youtube
>> >>> low-res version for low b/w connections and torrents for the actual
>> >>> avi files and high res flash versions on blip or something for higher
>> >>> b/w viewers.
>> >>
>> >> Ah. It's a standard thing. I'll create a pyconindia account there.
>> >
>> > Bleh. Someone has already created a pyconindia account. Who is it?
>> > Anyone on this list?
>>
>> Anyone?
>
> I created the account on blip.tv for uploading the videos, but I didn't
> uploaded any.
>
> Sent the password to you, Noufal, on messenger.


Right. Let's coordinate and meet up so that we can spread these around.
People who can upload:
0. Noufal

People who can seed torrents for a while
0. Anand Pillai

Any other volunteers?



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From aditya1729 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 07:23:31 2009
From: aditya1729 at gmail.com (adit. g33k)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:53:31 +0430
Subject: [Inpycon] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910052045y1094f3bbm215a35f9e6adf25c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0909270616t24d63e68y3965f48cf91dbc3a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0909290224k149f19d4i9772aae583b97996@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f36e1c1a0909290230m12f0a283j5bb7edaba9beeeae@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0909290414w7f5f73a3gcd5443e923e59ef5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<64160c70909290548h60be7884j4d9c36be34fb1d37@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6fc77bf90909290752t22b4c06alab0f221af0898627@mail.gmail.com> 
	<64160c70909290802t15db63ddi75d1a96635af3120@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910041040t64fd1335wbca846ce58cc426c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910052045y1094f3bbm215a35f9e6adf25c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc32a6340910052223k70084907y3e39b47d21b41ddd@mail.gmail.com>

HI all,
My no. 9663775823

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just got back to Bangalore. We have a couple of open things to wrap up
>> before the dust settles. I'll send out a list and make some phone
>> calls tomorrow.  Will people be around on 9 or 10 th fo the month?
>>
>
>  +1 for a meeting this week-end to discuss follow-ups.
>
>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 05:30:21 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:00:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910050418mcdf1a76ufda28b66be3e49fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [..]
>>>> How did the US pycon ?people get the pycon.blip.tv URL? Do we have to
>>>> pay for it? Is there anyone here who can help with that? Any
>>>> preferences on video sites? ?I think we should have one youtube
>>>> low-res version for low b/w connections and torrents for the actual
>>>> avi files and high res flash versions on blip or something for higher
>>>> b/w viewers.
>>>
>>> Ah. It's a standard thing. I'll create a pyconindia account there.
>>
>> Bleh. Someone has already created a pyconindia account. Who is it?
>> Anyone on this list?
>
> Anyone?

Is no one around?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 07:27:09 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:57:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910052045y1094f3bbm215a35f9e6adf25c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0909270616t24d63e68y3965f48cf91dbc3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909290224k149f19d4i9772aae583b97996@mail.gmail.com>
	<f36e1c1a0909290230m12f0a283j5bb7edaba9beeeae@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909290414w7f5f73a3gcd5443e923e59ef5@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909290548h60be7884j4d9c36be34fb1d37@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9963e56e0910052227r43e04d93l57ed838e245bbad8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just got back to Bangalore. We have a couple of open things to wrap up
>> before the dust settles. I'll send out a list and make some phone
>> calls tomorrow. ?Will people be around on 9 or 10 th fo the month?
>
> ?+1 for a meeting this week-end to discuss follow-ups.

Anyone else? Any suggestions about the venue? We could make it a lunch
somewhere nice.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 12:16:20 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:46:20 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910050314pefed634je32f68ed24b47b52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050314pefed634je32f68ed24b47b52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910050316j583d676bicf02dae22efbed9@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> How did the US pycon ?people get the pycon.blip.tv URL? Do we have to
> pay for it? Is there anyone here who can help with that? Any
> preferences on video sites? ?I think we should have one youtube
> low-res version for low b/w connections and torrents for the actual
> avi files and high res flash versions on blip or something for higher
> b/w viewers.

Ah. It's a standard thing. I'll create a pyconindia account there.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 08:15:32 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:45:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910052227r43e04d93l57ed838e245bbad8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0909270616t24d63e68y3965f48cf91dbc3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909290224k149f19d4i9772aae583b97996@mail.gmail.com>
	<f36e1c1a0909290230m12f0a283j5bb7edaba9beeeae@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909290414w7f5f73a3gcd5443e923e59ef5@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909290548h60be7884j4d9c36be34fb1d37@mail.gmail.com>
	<6fc77bf90909290752t22b4c06alab0f221af0898627@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8548c5f30910052315g4b8fcb9dn5d6425907c59b2af@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just got back to Bangalore. We have a couple of open things to wrap up
> >> before the dust settles. I'll send out a list and make some phone
> >> calls tomorrow.  Will people be around on 9 or 10 th fo the month?
> >
> >  +1 for a meeting this week-end to discuss follow-ups.
>
> Anyone else? Any suggestions about the venue? We could make it a lunch
> somewhere nice.
>

   We need to discuss funds.  I am guessing the "fund managers" will
  be there too :-)


>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 08:38:15 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:08:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910052030y77de29f9j2b11edb7463076a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050314pefed634je32f68ed24b47b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050316j583d676bicf02dae22efbed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050318n218c4200u2d2b1d29bff13752@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050418mcdf1a76ufda28b66be3e49fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910052030y77de29f9j2b11edb7463076a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910052338p6f4a25dfxc34c0afc5eca3a7b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> [..]
> >>>> How did the US pycon  people get the pycon.blip.tv URL? Do we have to
> >>>> pay for it? Is there anyone here who can help with that? Any
> >>>> preferences on video sites?  I think we should have one youtube
> >>>> low-res version for low b/w connections and torrents for the actual
> >>>> avi files and high res flash versions on blip or something for higher
> >>>> b/w viewers.
> >>>
> >>> Ah. It's a standard thing. I'll create a pyconindia account there.
> >>
> >> Bleh. Someone has already created a pyconindia account. Who is it?
> >> Anyone on this list?
> >
> > Anyone?
>
> Is no one around?
>

 Have people unsubscribed from this list now that the conf is over ?
 I think everyone has gone for a vacation after Noufal came back from his !


> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 06:58:43 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:28:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910052045y1094f3bbm215a35f9e6adf25c@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 anywhere in and around  central business district

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just got back to Bangalore. We have a couple of open things to wrap up
>> before the dust settles. I'll send out a list and make some phone
>> calls tomorrow.  Will people be around on 9 or 10 th fo the month?
>>
>
>  +1 for a meeting this week-end to discuss follow-ups.
>
>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 12:14:42 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:44:42 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70909300602o6d47d12cx133270a8319c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910050314pefed634je32f68ed24b47b52@mail.gmail.com>

Who has the DVDs now?

Have any of them been uploaded? I can take care of putting them up on
a video site. Perhaps one or two videos a day and get it over with by
the end of the week if that's fine with everyone.

Also, I can give the batch to Anand and others who can seed the videos
for a week or two so that it's gets spread around sufficiently.

How did the US pycon  people get the pycon.blip.tv URL? Do we have to
pay for it? Is there anyone here who can help with that? Any
preferences on video sites?  I think we should have one youtube
low-res version for low b/w connections and torrents for the actual
avi files and high res flash versions on blip or something for higher
b/w viewers.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 22:21:10 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:51:10 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2009 : A report
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910061321r24b63d43p647855fd940cd417@mail.gmail.com>

My post on the recent conference in B'lore

http://nibrahim.net.in/journal/?p=262


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 06:25:11 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:55:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2009 : A report
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910061321r24b63d43p647855fd940cd417@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910061321r24b63d43p647855fd940cd417@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910070955.11174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 1:51:10 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> My post on the recent conference in B'lore
>
> http://nibrahim.net.in/journal/?p=262

and mine:

http://lawgon.livejournal.com/72026.html
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From ashok.raavi at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:26:27 2009
From: ashok.raavi at gmail.com (ashok raavi)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:56:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] first video of pycon
Message-ID: <2aa122da0910070026t354af54h201b8ebf7be9b793@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Here is the first video of PyCon India 2009, http://blip.tv/file/2690764.

I have one more DVD of lightning talks, I will upload them also

Thank you.

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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:28:31 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:58:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] first video of pycon
In-Reply-To: <2aa122da0910070026t354af54h201b8ebf7be9b793@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0910070026t354af54h201b8ebf7be9b793@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910070028x20ff7753qe4c4d3593969b4bf@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:56 PM, ashok raavi <ashok.raavi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is the first video of PyCon India 2009, http://blip.tv/file/2690764.
>
> I have one more DVD of lightning talks, I will upload them also

I shall pick up the batch from Senthil and try to upload as many as
possible before the weekned and then send out an email.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:33:46 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:03:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] first video of pycon
In-Reply-To: <2aa122da0910070026t354af54h201b8ebf7be9b793@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0910070026t354af54h201b8ebf7be9b793@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910070033v697473dfhe675e83625bb7978@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:56 PM, ashok raavi <ashok.raavi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is the first video of PyCon India 2009, http://blip.tv/file/2690764.
>
> I have one more DVD of lightning talks, I will upload them also
>
> Thank you.


Hmm.. Some parts of the video were not recorded apparently. I was
running after the A/V guys to be there as soon as talks started but
they slacked off especially after lunch/tea breaks.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Wed Oct  7 09:59:00 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:29:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] first video of pycon
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910070033v697473dfhe675e83625bb7978@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0910070026t354af54h201b8ebf7be9b793@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910070033v697473dfhe675e83625bb7978@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071329.00940.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 1:03:46 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:56 PM, ashok raavi <ashok.raavi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here is the first video of PyCon India 2009, http://blip.tv/file/2690764.
> >
> > I have one more DVD of lightning talks, I will upload them also
> >
> > Thank you.
>
> Hmm.. Some parts of the video were not recorded apparently. I was
> running after the A/V guys to be there as soon as talks started but
> they slacked off especially after lunch/tea breaks.

where is the video of my talk? I am pretty sure there was a guy hovering 
around with a camera during it.
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 13:43:07 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:13:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] first video of pycon
In-Reply-To: <200910071329.00940.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
References: <2aa122da0910070026t354af54h201b8ebf7be9b793@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910070033v697473dfhe675e83625bb7978@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071329.00940.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910070443q5e447e7w84d81660634da313@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
[..]
> where is the video of my talk? I am pretty sure there was a guy hovering
> around with a camera during it.
[..]

Probably on one of the DVDs I'll be picking up from Senthil tomorrow.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sykora at lucentbeing.com  Wed Oct  7 16:32:02 2009
From: sykora at lucentbeing.com (P.C. Shyamshankar)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:02:02 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2009 : A report
In-Reply-To: <200910070955.11174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9963e56e0910061321r24b63d43p647855fd940cd417@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070955.11174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <20091007143202.GA31821@localhost>

On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:55:11AM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 1:51:10 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > My post on the recent conference in B'lore
> >
> > http://nibrahim.net.in/journal/?p=262
> 
> and mine:
> 
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com/72026.html

And here's my very long account.

http://lucentbeing.com/blog/an-account-of-pycon-india-2009/

> -- 
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon

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From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct  7 20:31:57 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 00:16:57 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2009 : A report
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:10, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 1:51:10 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> My post on the recent conference in B'lore
>>
>> http://nibrahim.net.in/journal/?p=262
>
> and mine:
>
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com/72026.html

sum(all bloggers) :^)
http://vid.svaksha.com/post/2009/pycon-india-moments
http://vid.svaksha.com/post/2009/more-pycon-moments

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 07:31:43 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:01:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: [fsug-tvm][X] National workshop on SciPy - November
	7-8, 2009
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sajjad Anwar <sajjadkm at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Subject: [fsug-tvm] National workshop on SciPy - November 7-8, 2009
To: fsug-calicut <fsug-calicut at freelists.org>, fsug-tvm <
ilug-tvm at googlegroups.com>, fsug-lbs at googlegroups.com,
mes-fsug at googlegroups.com


Hello everyone

Looks like University of Calicut is organizing a National workshop on SciPy,
before the big event in collaboration with SPACE and FOSSEE.
Dates are Novermber 7-8, 2009

Details are here http://c11.space-kerala.org/scipy/?q=node
For Registration http://c11.space-kerala.org/scipy/?q=user/register

Regards.

-- 
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 08:44:30 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:14:30 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2009 : A report
In-Reply-To: <20091007143202.GA31821@localhost>
References: <9963e56e0910061321r24b63d43p647855fd940cd417@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070955.11174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<20091007143202.GA31821@localhost>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910072344x125d35c8xaefe03f45ab677db@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:02 PM, P.C. Shyamshankar <sykora at lucentbeing.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:55:11AM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 1:51:10 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > > My post on the recent conference in B'lore
> > >
> > > http://nibrahim.net.in/journal/?p=262
> >
> > and mine:
> >
> > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/72026.html
>
> And here's my very long account.
>
> http://lucentbeing.com/blog/an-account-of-pycon-india-2009/
>

 Nice account. I enjoyed both of your talks. Your presentation
 style of very little text on every slide was pretty cool.
 Didn't know there was a name for it :)

 It would have been nice to have more talks on the language itself
 such as yours. I agree with you that the fellow who gave the GIL
 talk had material enough to convert it to a full-time talk.


> > --
> > regards
> > Kenneth Gonsalves
> > Senior Project Officer
> > NRC-FOSS
> > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Inpycon mailing list
> > Inpycon at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
> --
> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
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From vid at svaksha.com  Thu Oct  8 05:43:14 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:28:14 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] [x-post] Language Pages on the wiki
Message-ID: <12470af00910072043l48af6d8cp72120fbd3e3b350@mail.gmail.com>

[x-posted to bangpypers and inpycon]

Hi Folks,

http://wiki.python.org/moin/NewLanguagePage , has a collection of
various language pages for Python.

Please provide links to any Python related article/tutorial in your
native language and feel free to create a new page if your language is
not listed there. The German language page is a good yardstick for
acceptable python content : http://wiki.python.org/moin/GermanLanguage

Alternatively, for your native language, please use Rami's code snippet :

***
(using KDE 4.3.0's Konsole):
[rami at tigris ~]$ python3.1
Python 3.1 (r31:73572, Aug 10 2009, 18:55:18)
[GCC 4.3.2 20081105 (Red Hat 4.3.2-7)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> def ?????_??(???):
...     ??? = "????? {0}? ???? ??????".format(???)
...     print(???)
...
>>> ???? = '????'
>>> ?????_??(????)
????? ????? ???? ??????
>>> ??? = 'Carl'
>>> ?????_??(???)
????? Carl? ???? ??????

***
Put it in a file 'salaam.py':
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
#!/usr/bin/python3.1

def ?????_??(???):
   ??? = "????? {0}? ???? ??????".format(???)
   print(???)

???? = '????'
??? = 'Carl'

if __name__ == '__main__':
   ?????_??(????)
   ?????_??(???)

***

Run the file:
[rami at tigris ~]$ python3.1 salaam.py
????? ????? ???? ??????
????? Carl? ???? ??????



-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||
|| you are what your deepest desire is |  as you desire, so is your
intention | as your intention, so is your will | as is your will, so
is your deed | as is your deed, so is your destiny || ~ upanishads ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:13:17 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:43:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910071013r55c13000yde62e04940b5aaf7@mail.gmail.com>

Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so? I have a lunch
meeting with some people on Saturday and I'm not sure when i'll be
available then.

As for the venue, it'd be nice to have it at ThoughtWorks if it's
available. After our initial plan to hold PyCon, I don't think we've
ever met there.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 05:34:04 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:04:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910052129i25d22e35r213cea78f51c0686@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0909302018x3a7dd65bkd93e735c3f98c3a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050314pefed634je32f68ed24b47b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050316j583d676bicf02dae22efbed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050318n218c4200u2d2b1d29bff13752@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050418mcdf1a76ufda28b66be3e49fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<2aa122da0910052043g15b2ec99m8c39b67fa2d02d84@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910052129i25d22e35r213cea78f51c0686@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910072034y248771d6s4e3f027176fa94a5@mail.gmail.com>

I've gotten the DVDs from Senthil. The video quality is decent but the
audio (atleast on some vids) could use a lot of work. :-/


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 02:22:57 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:52:57 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910072034y248771d6s4e3f027176fa94a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2aa122da0909300557m5675d880y2c384fc0b06418db@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0909302251j34923575pff44dc9b6d572418@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910032234m254ba636x7ffede6002e822ad@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910050314pefed634je32f68ed24b47b52@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910050316j583d676bicf02dae22efbed9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910050318n218c4200u2d2b1d29bff13752@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910050418mcdf1a76ufda28b66be3e49fa@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2aa122da0910052043g15b2ec99m8c39b67fa2d02d84@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910052129i25d22e35r213cea78f51c0686@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910072034y248771d6s4e3f027176fa94a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910081722p33f8ca17i4cca4d9493715aeb@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've gotten the DVDs from Senthil. The video quality is decent but the
> audio (atleast on some vids) could use a lot of work. :-/

These are unprocessed videos. The A/V guy told that he can edit them
if required for a price of Rs. 250/hour work + DVD charges. Want to
try that?

Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 06:55:46 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:25:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] received conference dvds
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've gotten the DVDs from Senthil. The video quality is decent but the
>> audio (atleast on some vids) could use a lot of work. :-/
>
> These are unprocessed videos. The A/V guy told that he can edit them
> if required for a price of Rs. 250/hour work + DVD charges. Want to
> try that?

I think it'd be worth it. Most of them are totally inaudible. Check
out http://blip.tv/file/2698917



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~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From aditya1729 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 07:08:35 2009
From: aditya1729 at gmail.com (adit. g33k)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:38:35 +0430
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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Yea sunday afternoon is good....and place is also good..:)

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so? I have a lunch
> meeting with some people on Saturday and I'm not sure when i'll be
> available then.
>
> As for the venue, it'd be nice to have it at ThoughtWorks if it's
> available. After our initial plan to hold PyCon, I don't think we've
> ever met there.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From agoldgod at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 07:36:53 2009
From: agoldgod at gmail.com (goldgod a)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:06:53 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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+1

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:38 AM, adit. g33k <aditya1729 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yea sunday afternoon is good....and place is also good..:)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so? I have a lunch
>> meeting with some people on Saturday and I'm not sure when i'll be
>> available then.
>>
>> As for the venue, it'd be nice to have it at ThoughtWorks if it's
>> available. After our initial plan to hold PyCon, I don't think we've
>> ever met there.
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 08:51:15 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:21:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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+1

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM, goldgod a <agoldgod at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:38 AM, adit. g33k <aditya1729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yea sunday afternoon is good....and place is also good..:)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so? I have a lunch
>>> meeting with some people on Saturday and I'm not sure when i'll be
>>> available then.
>>>
>>> As for the venue, it'd be nice to have it at ThoughtWorks if it's
>>> available. After our initial plan to hold PyCon, I don't think we've
>>> ever met there.
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~noufal
>>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Inpycon mailing list
>>> Inpycon at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thanks & Regards,
> A.Ponnusamy (Goldgod)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ardsrk at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 11:03:15 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:33:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so? I have a lunch
> meeting with some people on Saturday and I'm not sure when i'll be
> available then.
>
> As for the venue, it'd be nice to have it at ThoughtWorks if it's
> available. After our initial plan to hold PyCon, I don't think we've
> ever met there.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 11:47:26 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:17:26 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?

Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open
calais that he was planning to present


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~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 11:58:45 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:28:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?
>
> Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open
> calais that he was planning to present
>

Good idea, even I did not think about it. How many would be interested in
some hands on demo of a bottom up approach to semantic web using Python ?


>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From ardsrk at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 13:18:17 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:48:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?
>>
>> Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open
>> calais that he was planning to present
>>
>
> Good idea, even I did not think about it. How many would be interested in
> some hands on demo of a bottom up approach to semantic web using Python ?
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 14:01:46 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:31:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.


 Cool. Here is a brief of what I want to present.

 Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
 understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
 visualized by W3C.

 This is however a top-down approach which requires annotating
 web-pages with metadata such as RDF, microformats etc.

 However a more practical approach is extracting
 semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
 web content. Such services are already becoming available.

 I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
 by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
 using the rich semantic data returned by the service.

 The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
 Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.


>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?
>>>
>>> Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open
>>> calais that he was planning to present
>>>
>>
>> Good idea, even I did not think about it. How many would be interested in
>> some hands on demo of a bottom up approach to semantic web using Python ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~noufal
>>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Inpycon mailing list
>>> Inpycon at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 14:17:01 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:47:01 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>[..]
>
> ?I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
> ?by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
> ?using the rich semantic data returned by the service.
>
> ?The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
> ?Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.
[..]

Excellent! It promises to be a fun weekend. :)



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 17:02:49 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:32:49 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >[..]
> >
> >  I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
> >  by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
> >  using the rich semantic data returned by the service.
> >
> >  The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
> >  Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.
> [..]
>
> Excellent! It promises to be a fun weekend. :)
>

 I want to present this before any discussion on PyCon. There are 2 reasons.

 1. Those who are interested in the talk and not in PyCon discussion can
      listen and leave early.
 2. I wanted to present this as lightning talk in PyCon on day 2 but could
not
     because of poor scheduling which put me as the very last person to
talk.
     Don't want that to happen again.


>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 18:47:20 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:17:20 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?I want to present this before any discussion on PyCon. There are 2 reasons.
>
> ?1. Those who are interested in the talk and not in PyCon discussion can
> ????? listen and leave early.
> ?2. I wanted to present this as lightning talk in PyCon on day 2 but could
> not
> ???? because of poor scheduling which put me as the very last person to
> talk.
> ???? Don't want that to happen again.[..]

You're right. The people interested in the Python part of things can
leave after this if they want and the conference related people can
stay longer.


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http://nibrahim.net.in

From abstractthings at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 19:53:44 2009
From: abstractthings at gmail.com (abstract things)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:23:44 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon]  Weekend meeting
Message-ID: <37e621180910091053ke038307waadde3ef326b5581@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

My name is Sundar and I am Senior Python programming language user [?]
(I mean 3+ years). I like Python programming. Well, I haven't
registered for PyCon early enough but I attended Mayavi, Algorithms
and Semantic Web talk. Wanted to attend many other interesting talks
as well but time didn't permit me. So following some of the online
material now.

I also have very much interest in Semantic Web but I some how don't
agree with the Anand's post. No offence Anand. I am following Semantic
Web since 2005 onwards (soon after the SPARQL draft was out) and have
been active member in online Semantic Web groups. Open Calais is a Web
service which stores data/information with Semantics. When we access
Open Calais store by its APIs, what we get in return is JSON format
(may be others as well, I haven't explored much its API) results with
entity and value etc. But that is something like taking data out from
your database after sending a query. If somebody follows WordNet and
NLP can figure it out with document classification algorithms that the
particular text you are sending to Open Calais has what semantics
associated (associated Nouns, Verbs e.g. Person, place, actions, class
of the text i.e. sports, politics, history etc).

Arranging this information on our webpage or blog is not the Semantic
Web. I would call it as fetching data from a Semantic Data store and
arranging it on our webpages so that Search engines can find it in
better manner or we can have quality or enriched information on our
webpages (one can use RDFa). Semantic Web is what happening inside
Open Calais along with other Linguistics based features for extracting
meaning of the data we send or ask through API. And no way anybody can
call this as ONTOLOGY. Ontologies are like domain modelling, a hard
thing). Ontologies are inside thing of Open Calais. What we get out
from their data store is not an Ontology. Its simply the data with
semantics we are getting (just the relationships without actually
knowing the domain model built inside). We no way have any knowledge
of how the data inside Open Calais is stored and what their ontology
for a particular domain is (Something similar to getting results out
from a database without knowing what the internal schema is).

Semantic Web basic concept has RDF (which is in turn an XML based
standard). What that guy in PyCon showed in his presentation was a
direction to think about Semantic Web if you yourself is building some
Semantic Web based system (eg. if your company wants to launch some
online system with Semantic Web features then you can have your domain
vocabulary defined and accessible using a URL, also how the RDF
statements can be made, what are the best practices for making such
statements etc). His talk was more of focused on large Enterprise
systems and integrations compared to using Semantic Web for Web page
based data annotation. (Micro formats is not the part of W3C based
Semantic Web protocol stack).

Based on my limited knowledge, RDFa and GRDDL are the two standards
from W3C that can be used for Web content annotation and the RDFLib
(that guy used this library in his practical Python examples if you
remember) can generate RDFa documents from the triples you have in
your datastore (see his last 3 or 4 slides). RDF based XML documents
can be generated from a Web application or an enterprise application
for semantic based data exchange.

Well, my thoughts here are not to argue on any thing but to give a
picture of Semantic Web from my acquired knowledge in last 4or so
years. (and also the perspective of that guy as I observed).

I guess it would have been more interesting if that guy would have
given few examples of using Description Logic to describe data
relationship and how OWL fits into that model and also about
Stanford's Semantic Web Protege editor or some other editors for
designing Ontologies. I guess it requires more than 45 min.

Nevertheless, his talk was satisfying for me, may be because I already
had background knowledge of this subject.


Regards,

Sundar



On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at
gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>wrote:

>* Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.*

 Cool. Here is a brief of what I want to present.

 Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
 understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
 visualized by W3C.

 This is however a top-down approach which requires annotating
 web-pages with metadata such as RDF, microformats etc.

 However a more practical approach is extracting
 semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
 web content. Such services are already becoming available.

 I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
 by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
 using the rich semantic data returned by the service.

 The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
 Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.


>**>**>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <*>* abpillai at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>**>>**>>**>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>>**>>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>*>>>* wrote:*>>>* > I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?*>>>**>>>* Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open*>>>* calais that he was planning to present*>>>**>>**>>* Good idea, even I did not think about it. How many would be interested in*>>* some hands on demo of a bottom up approach to semantic web using Python ?*>>**>>**>>>**>>>**>>>* --*>>>* ~noufal*>>>* http://nibrahim.net.in*>>>* _______________________________________________*>>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* --*>>* --Anand*>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* _______________________________________________*>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>**>>**>**>* _______________________________________________*>* Inpycon mailing list*>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>**>**

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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 20:08:26 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:38:26 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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You should drop by on the weekend. A discussion would prove beneficial
to most of us there.



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http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 09:43:47 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:13:47 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> My name is Sundar and I am Senior Python programming language user [?] (I mean 3+ years). I like Python programming. Well, I haven't registered for PyCon early enough but I attended Mayavi, Algorithms and Semantic Web talk. Wanted to attend many other interesting talks as well but time didn't permit me. So following some of the online material now.
>
> I also have very much interest in Semantic Web but I some how don't agree with the Anand's post. No offence Anand. I am following Semantic Web since 2005 onwards (soon after the SPARQL draft was out) and have been active member in online Semantic Web groups. Open Calais is a Web service which stores data/information with Semantics. When we access Open Calais store by its APIs, what we get in return is JSON format (may be others as well, I haven't explored much its API) results with entity and value etc. But that is something like taking data out from your database after sending a query. If somebody follows WordNet and NLP can figure it out with document classification algorithms that the particular text you are sending to Open Calais has what semantics associated (associated Nouns, Verbs e.g. Person, place, actions, class of the text i.e. sports, politics, history etc).
>
> Arranging this information on our webpage or blog is not the Semantic Web. I would call it as fetching data from a Semantic Data store and arranging it on our webpages so that Search engines can find it in better manner or we can have quality or enriched information on our webpages (one can use RDFa). Semantic Web is what happening inside Open Calais along with other Linguistics based features for extracting meaning of the data we send or ask through API. And no way anybody can call this as ONTOLOGY. Ontologies are like domain modelling, a hard thing). Ontologies are inside thing of Open Calais. What we get out from their data store is not an Ontology. Its simply the data with semantics we are getting (just the relationships without actually knowing the domain model built inside). We no way have any knowledge of how the data inside Open Calais is stored and what their ontology for a particular domain is (Something similar to getting results out from a database without knowing what the internal schema is).
>
> Semantic Web basic concept has RDF (which is in turn an XML based standard). What that guy in PyCon showed in his presentation was a direction to think about Semantic Web if you yourself is building some Semantic Web based system (eg. if your company wants to launch some online system with Semantic Web features then you can have your domain vocabulary defined and accessible using a URL, also how the RDF statements can be made, what are the best practices for making such statements etc). His talk was more of focused on large Enterprise systems and integrations compared to using Semantic Web for Web page based data annotation. (Micro formats is not the part of W3C based Semantic Web protocol stack).
>
> Based on my limited knowledge, RDFa and GRDDL are the two standards from W3C that can be used for Web content annotation and the RDFLib (that guy used this library in his practical Python examples if you remember) can generate RDFa documents from the triples you have in your datastore (see his last 3 or 4 slides). RDF based XML documents can be generated from a Web application or an enterprise application for semantic based data exchange.
>
> Well, my thoughts here are not to argue on any thing but to give a picture of Semantic Web from my acquired knowledge in last 4or so years. (and also the perspective of that guy as I observed).
>
> I guess it would have been more interesting if that guy would have given few examples of using Description Logic to describe data relationship and how OWL fits into that model and also about Stanford's Semantic Web Protege editor or some other editors for designing Ontologies. I guess it requires more than 45 min.
>
> Nevertheless, his talk was satisfying for me, may be because I already had background knowledge of this subject.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sundar
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>wrote:
>
> >* Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.*
>
>  Cool. Here is a brief of what I want to present.
>
>  Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
>  understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
>  visualized by W3C.
>
>  This is however a top-down approach which requires annotating
>  web-pages with metadata such as RDF, microformats etc.
>
>  However a more practical approach is extracting
>  semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
>  web content. Such services are already becoming available.
>
>  I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
>  by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
>  using the rich semantic data returned by the service.
>
>  The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
>  Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.
>
>
>  I would direct your attention to this article on dissection of semantic
web
 technologies at readwriteweb.

 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_top-down_semantic_web.php

 And excuse my phraseology - I mixed up "top down" with "bottom up".
 Approaches such as OpenCalais are actually top down not bottom up.
 The traditional "Semantic web" is bottom up. The point to take is
  to not be pedagogic and accept that the term "Semantic web" can be
 used for other top down approaches also. Period.


> >**>**>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <*>* abpillai at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>**>>**>>**>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>>**>>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>*>>>* wrote:*>>>* > I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?*>>>**>>>* Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open*>>>* calais that he was planning to present*>>>**>>**>>* Good idea, even I did not think about it. How many would be interested in*>>* some hands on demo of a bottom up approach to semantic web using Python ?*>>**>>**>>>**>>>**>>>* --*>>>* ~noufal*>>>* http://nibrahim.net.in*>>>* _______________________________________________*>>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* --*>>* --Anand*>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* _______________________________________________*>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>**>>**>**>* _______________________________________________*>* Inpycon mailing list*>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>**>**
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:50:08 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:20:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> My name is Sundar and I am Senior Python programming language user [?] (I mean 3+ years). I like Python programming. Well, I haven't registered for PyCon early enough but I attended Mayavi, Algorithms and Semantic Web talk. Wanted to attend many other interesting talks as well but time didn't permit me. So following some of the online material now.
>
> I also have very much interest in Semantic Web but I some how don't agree with the Anand's post. No offence Anand. I am following Semantic Web since 2005 onwards (soon after the SPARQL draft was out) and have been active member in online Semantic Web groups. Open Calais is a Web service which stores data/information with Semantics. When we access Open Calais store by its APIs, what we get in return is JSON format (may be others as well, I haven't explored much its API) results with entity and value etc. But that is something like taking data out from your database after sending a query. If somebody follows WordNet and NLP can figure it out with document classification algorithms that the particular text you are sending to Open Calais has what semantics associated (associated Nouns, Verbs e.g. Person, place, actions, class of the text i.e. sports, politics, history etc).
>
> Arranging this information on our webpage or blog is not the Semantic Web. I would call it as fetching data from a Semantic Data store and arranging it on our webpages so that Search engines can find it in better manner or we can have quality or enriched information on our webpages (one can use RDFa). Semantic Web is what happening inside Open Calais along with other Linguistics based features for extracting meaning of the data we send or ask through API. And no way anybody can call this as ONTOLOGY. Ontologies are like domain modelling, a hard thing). Ontologies are inside thing of Open Calais. What we get out from their data store is not an Ontology. Its simply the data with semantics we are getting (just the relationships without actually knowing the domain model built inside). We no way have any knowledge of how the data inside Open Calais is stored and what their ontology for a particular domain is (Something similar to getting results out from a database without knowing what the internal schema is).
>
> Semantic Web basic concept has RDF (which is in turn an XML based standard). What that guy in PyCon showed in his presentation was a direction to think about Semantic Web if you yourself is building some Semantic Web based system (eg. if your company wants to launch some online system with Semantic Web features then you can have your domain vocabulary defined and accessible using a URL, also how the RDF statements can be made, what are the best practices for making such statements etc). His talk was more of focused on large Enterprise systems and integrations compared to using Semantic Web for Web page based data annotation. (Micro formats is not the part of W3C based Semantic Web protocol stack).
>
> Based on my limited knowledge, RDFa and GRDDL are the two standards from W3C that can be used for Web content annotation and the RDFLib (that guy used this library in his practical Python examples if you remember) can generate RDFa documents from the triples you have in your datastore (see his last 3 or 4 slides). RDF based XML documents can be generated from a Web application or an enterprise application for semantic based data exchange.
>
> Well, my thoughts here are not to argue on any thing but to give a picture of Semantic Web from my acquired knowledge in last 4or so years. (and also the perspective of that guy as I observed).
>
> I guess it would have been more interesting if that guy would have given few examples of using Description Logic to describe data relationship and how OWL fits into that model and also about Stanford's Semantic Web Protege editor or some other editors for designing Ontologies. I guess it requires more than 45 min.
>
> Nevertheless, his talk was satisfying for me, may be because I already had background knowledge of this subject.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sundar
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>wrote:
>
> >* Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.*
>
>  Cool. Here is a brief of what I want to present.
>
>  Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
>  understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
>  visualized by W3C.
>
>  This is however a top-down approach which requires annotating
>  web-pages with metadata such as RDF, microformats etc.
>
>  However a more practical approach is extracting
>  semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
>  web content. Such services are already becoming available.
>
>  I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
>  by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
>  using the rich semantic data returned by the service.
>
>  The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
>  Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.
>
>
>
I am sorry, but I decided not to present this talk tomorrow. I had thought
of presenting OpenCalais as an example of top down semantic web but
with some prejudices already about the topic, I think I will be better
off with presenting something more than just that.

I am working on an idea which I have to use the service to build up
a semantic web application which uses OpenCalais to extract
data and present it via other web 3.0 services. However it won't
be ready by tomorrow and I dont have the time to hack something
up quick. Next week-end I will have something to present on this
and I think it will be better to present everything together than
piece by piece.

So this talk is canceled tomorrow. Let us have the PyCon
follow-up discussions.
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From abstractthings at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:09:44 2009
From: abstractthings at gmail.com (abstract things)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:39:44 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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Thanks Anand for that URL. Btw I had already read that. I hope you haven't
taken my long post as criticism. I wrote it in good spirit as we developer
share thoughts all the time.
Also I wanted to make it little clear "as a fare hearted, in good spirit,
Python programmer and Open Source lover" that saying:

"Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have

 understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as

visualized by W3C. ... However a more practical approach is extracting

 semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
web content. Such services are already becoming available."

I see these lines as making wrong comment on somebody's presentation. I
don't understand how come bottom up approach is theoretical and Top down is
practical? And how do you find ontologies based on these services? Whole
point of SW is to make content available for Machine to process. Top Down
approach may simplifying the thing in terms of development but using NLP and
Machine learning related tools with possible inaccuracies of annotations.
These approaches are useful only if you are looking for small benefits like
annotating casual online content. You can not use it for services like:
http://data.gov see: http://blogs.zdnet.com/semantic-web/?p=319
Also, I don't think an average developer will be able to code Machine
learning examples or use NLP to build Semantic Web based systems. OpenCalais
may have used it (I don't know the details of their internals) but what we
get out of it is "metatagging" which somebody can use to tag his documents
and store in databases. Also there are now tools which can make the bottom
up life much easier: http://esw.w3.org/topic/ConverterToRdf . Please read
the articles of Danny Ayers (Researchers, Developer and Entrepreneur), Jim
Handler (Researcher).

Few interesting links I want to share with our PyCon community:

1) http://blogs.zdnet.com/semantic-web/?p=319
2) http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/03/01-ushouse-future-of-the-web.html
3) http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-semweb/

Take these points as somebody is giving his inputs on SW and pointing the
false saying: Ontologies and theoretical bottom up approach or W3C view. It
is not pedagogic anywhere if taken in good spirit. Also, I nowhere say that
there is no Top Down approach.

Regards,
Sundar


On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM, abstract things <abstractthings at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> My name is Sundar and I am Senior Python programming language user [?] (I mean 3+ years). I like Python programming. Well, I haven't registered for PyCon early enough but I attended Mayavi, Algorithms and Semantic Web talk. Wanted to attend many other interesting talks as well but time didn't permit me. So following some of the online material now.
>>
>> I also have very much interest in Semantic Web but I some how don't agree with the Anand's post. No offence Anand. I am following Semantic Web since 2005 onwards (soon after the SPARQL draft was out) and have been active member in online Semantic Web groups. Open Calais is a Web service which stores data/information with Semantics. When we access Open Calais store by its APIs, what we get in return is JSON format (may be others as well, I haven't explored much its API) results with entity and value etc. But that is something like taking data out from your database after sending a query. If somebody follows WordNet and NLP can figure it out with document classification algorithms that the particular text you are sending to Open Calais has what semantics associated (associated Nouns, Verbs e.g. Person, place, actions, class of the text i.e. sports, politics, history etc).
>>
>> Arranging this information on our webpage or blog is not the Semantic Web. I would call it as fetching data from a Semantic Data store and arranging it on our webpages so that Search engines can find it in better manner or we can have quality or enriched information on our webpages (one can use RDFa). Semantic Web is what happening inside Open Calais along with other Linguistics based features for extracting meaning of the data we send or ask through API. And no way anybody can call this as ONTOLOGY. Ontologies are like domain modelling, a hard thing). Ontologies are inside thing of Open Calais. What we get out from their data store is not an Ontology. Its simply the data with semantics we are getting (just the relationships without actually knowing the domain model built inside). We no way have any knowledge of how the data inside Open Calais is stored and what their ontology for a particular domain is (Something similar to getting results out from a database without knowing what the internal schema is).
>>
>> Semantic Web basic concept has RDF (which is in turn an XML based standard). What that guy in PyCon showed in his presentation was a direction to think about Semantic Web if you yourself is building some Semantic Web based system (eg. if your company wants to launch some online system with Semantic Web features then you can have your domain vocabulary defined and accessible using a URL, also how the RDF statements can be made, what are the best practices for making such statements etc). His talk was more of focused on large Enterprise systems and integrations compared to using Semantic Web for Web page based data annotation. (Micro formats is not the part of W3C based Semantic Web protocol stack).
>>
>> Based on my limited knowledge, RDFa and GRDDL are the two standards from W3C that can be used for Web content annotation and the RDFLib (that guy used this library in his practical Python examples if you remember) can generate RDFa documents from the triples you have in your datastore (see his last 3 or 4 slides). RDF based XML documents can be generated from a Web application or an enterprise application for semantic based data exchange.
>>
>> Well, my thoughts here are not to argue on any thing but to give a picture of Semantic Web from my acquired knowledge in last 4or so years. (and also the perspective of that guy as I observed).
>>
>> I guess it would have been more interesting if that guy would have given few examples of using Description Logic to describe data relationship and how OWL fits into that model and also about Stanford's Semantic Web Protege editor or some other editors for designing Ontologies. I guess it requires more than 45 min.
>>
>> Nevertheless, his talk was satisfying for me, may be because I already had background knowledge of this subject.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sundar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>wrote:
>>
>> >* Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.*
>>
>>  Cool. Here is a brief of what I want to present.
>>
>>  Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
>>  understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
>>  visualized by W3C.
>>
>>  This is however a top-down approach which requires annotating
>>  web-pages with metadata such as RDF, microformats etc.
>>
>>  However a more practical approach is extracting
>>  semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
>>  web content. Such services are already becoming available.
>>
>>  I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
>>  by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
>>  using the rich semantic data returned by the service.
>>
>>  The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
>>  Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.
>>
>>
>>  I would direct your attention to this article on dissection of semantic
> web
>  technologies at readwriteweb.
>
>  http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_top-down_semantic_web.php
>
>  And excuse my phraseology - I mixed up "top down" with "bottom up".
>  Approaches such as OpenCalais are actually top down not bottom up.
>  The traditional "Semantic web" is bottom up. The point to take is
>   to not be pedagogic and accept that the term "Semantic web" can be
>  used for other top down approaches also. Period.
>
>
>>  >**>**>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <*>* abpillai at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>**>>**>>**>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>>**>>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>*>>>* wrote:*>>>* > I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?*>>>**>>>* Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open*>>>* calais that he was planning to present*>>>**>>**>>* Good idea, even I did not think about it. How many would be interested in*>>* some hands on demo of a bottom up approach to semantic web using Python ?*>>**>>**>>>**>>>**>>>* --*>>>* ~noufal*>>>* http://nibrahim.net.in*>>>* _______________________________________________*>>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* --*>>* --Anand*>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* _______________________________________________*>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>**>>**>**>* _______________________________________________*>* Inpycon mailing list*>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>**>**
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:10:58 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:40:58 +0530
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What time is the meet tomorrow?

Can someone confirm exact schedule?

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:39 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Anand for that URL. Btw I had already read that. I hope you haven't
> taken my long post as criticism. I wrote it in good spirit as we developer
> share thoughts all the time.
> Also I wanted to make it little clear "as a fare hearted, in good spirit,
> Python programmer and Open Source lover" that saying:
>
> "Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
>
>  understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
>
> visualized by W3C. ... However a more practical approach is extracting
>
>  semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing web content. Such services are already becoming available."
>
> I see these lines as making wrong comment on somebody's presentation. I
> don't understand how come bottom up approach is theoretical and Top down is
> practical? And how do you find ontologies based on these services? Whole
> point of SW is to make content available for Machine to process. Top Down
> approach may simplifying the thing in terms of development but using NLP and
> Machine learning related tools with possible inaccuracies of annotations.
> These approaches are useful only if you are looking for small benefits like
> annotating casual online content. You can not use it for services like:
> http://data.gov see: http://blogs.zdnet.com/semantic-web/?p=319
> Also, I don't think an average developer will be able to code Machine
> learning examples or use NLP to build Semantic Web based systems. OpenCalais
> may have used it (I don't know the details of their internals) but what we
> get out of it is "metatagging" which somebody can use to tag his documents
> and store in databases. Also there are now tools which can make the bottom
> up life much easier: http://esw.w3.org/topic/ConverterToRdf . Please read
> the articles of Danny Ayers (Researchers, Developer and Entrepreneur), Jim
> Handler (Researcher).
>
> Few interesting links I want to share with our PyCon community:
>
> 1) http://blogs.zdnet.com/semantic-web/?p=319
> 2) http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/03/01-ushouse-future-of-the-web.html
> 3) http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-semweb/
>
> Take these points as somebody is giving his inputs on SW and pointing the
> false saying: Ontologies and theoretical bottom up approach or W3C view. It
> is not pedagogic anywhere if taken in good spirit. Also, I nowhere say that
> there is no Top Down approach.
>
> Regards,
> Sundar
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM, abstract things <
>> abstractthings at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> My name is Sundar and I am Senior Python programming language user [?] (I mean 3+ years). I like Python programming. Well, I haven't registered for PyCon early enough but I attended Mayavi, Algorithms and Semantic Web talk. Wanted to attend many other interesting talks as well but time didn't permit me. So following some of the online material now.
>>>
>>> I also have very much interest in Semantic Web but I some how don't agree with the Anand's post. No offence Anand. I am following Semantic Web since 2005 onwards (soon after the SPARQL draft was out) and have been active member in online Semantic Web groups. Open Calais is a Web service which stores data/information with Semantics. When we access Open Calais store by its APIs, what we get in return is JSON format (may be others as well, I haven't explored much its API) results with entity and value etc. But that is something like taking data out from your database after sending a query. If somebody follows WordNet and NLP can figure it out with document classification algorithms that the particular text you are sending to Open Calais has what semantics associated (associated Nouns, Verbs e.g. Person, place, actions, class of the text i.e. sports, politics, history etc).
>>>
>>> Arranging this information on our webpage or blog is not the Semantic Web. I would call it as fetching data from a Semantic Data store and arranging it on our webpages so that Search engines can find it in better manner or we can have quality or enriched information on our webpages (one can use RDFa). Semantic Web is what happening inside Open Calais along with other Linguistics based features for extracting meaning of the data we send or ask through API. And no way anybody can call this as ONTOLOGY. Ontologies are like domain modelling, a hard thing). Ontologies are inside thing of Open Calais. What we get out from their data store is not an Ontology. Its simply the data with semantics we are getting (just the relationships without actually knowing the domain model built inside). We no way have any knowledge of how the data inside Open Calais is stored and what their ontology for a particular domain is (Something similar to getting results out from a database without knowing what the internal schema is).
>>>
>>> Semantic Web basic concept has RDF (which is in turn an XML based standard). What that guy in PyCon showed in his presentation was a direction to think about Semantic Web if you yourself is building some Semantic Web based system (eg. if your company wants to launch some online system with Semantic Web features then you can have your domain vocabulary defined and accessible using a URL, also how the RDF statements can be made, what are the best practices for making such statements etc). His talk was more of focused on large Enterprise systems and integrations compared to using Semantic Web for Web page based data annotation. (Micro formats is not the part of W3C based Semantic Web protocol stack).
>>>
>>> Based on my limited knowledge, RDFa and GRDDL are the two standards from W3C that can be used for Web content annotation and the RDFLib (that guy used this library in his practical Python examples if you remember) can generate RDFa documents from the triples you have in your datastore (see his last 3 or 4 slides). RDF based XML documents can be generated from a Web application or an enterprise application for semantic based data exchange.
>>>
>>> Well, my thoughts here are not to argue on any thing but to give a picture of Semantic Web from my acquired knowledge in last 4or so years. (and also the perspective of that guy as I observed).
>>>
>>> I guess it would have been more interesting if that guy would have given few examples of using Description Logic to describe data relationship and how OWL fits into that model and also about Stanford's Semantic Web Protege editor or some other editors for designing Ontologies. I guess it requires more than 45 min.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, his talk was satisfying for me, may be because I already had background knowledge of this subject.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sundar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>wrote:
>>>
>>> >* Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.*
>>>
>>>  Cool. Here is a brief of what I want to present.
>>>
>>>  Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
>>>  understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
>>>  visualized by W3C.
>>>
>>>  This is however a top-down approach which requires annotating
>>>  web-pages with metadata such as RDF, microformats etc.
>>>
>>>  However a more practical approach is extracting
>>>  semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
>>>  web content. Such services are already becoming available.
>>>
>>>  I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
>>>  by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
>>>  using the rich semantic data returned by the service.
>>>
>>>  The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
>>>  Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I would direct your attention to this article on dissection of semantic
>> web
>>  technologies at readwriteweb.
>>
>>  http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_top-down_semantic_web.php
>>
>>  And excuse my phraseology - I mixed up "top down" with "bottom up".
>>  Approaches such as OpenCalais are actually top down not bottom up.
>>  The traditional "Semantic web" is bottom up. The point to take is
>>   to not be pedagogic and accept that the term "Semantic web" can be
>>  used for other top down approaches also. Period.
>>
>>
>>>  >**>**>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <*>* abpillai at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>**>>**>>**>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>>**>>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>*>>>* wrote:*>>>* > I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?*>>>**>>>* Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open*>>>* calais that he was planning to present*>>>**>>**>>* Good idea, even I did not think about it. How many would be interested in*>>* some hands on demo of a bottom up approach to semantic web using Python ?*>>**>>**>>>**>>>**>>>* --*>>>* ~noufal*>>>* http://nibrahim.net.in*>>>* _______________________________________________*>>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* --*>>* --Anand*>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* _______________________________________________*>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>**>>**>**>* _______________________________________________*>* Inpycon mailing list*>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>**>**
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>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
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From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:44:07 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:14:07 +0530
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What time is the meet tomorrow?
>
> Can someone confirm exact schedule?[..]

3 to 5. There's no formal schedule as such. I want to spend about 30
minutes discussing some things regarding the conference. Since Anand
is not giving the Open Calais talk, I'm not sure what we'll do with
the rest of the time.
--
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 07:20:16 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:50:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:39 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Anand for that URL. Btw I had already read that. I hope you haven't
> taken my long post as criticism. I wrote it in good spirit as we developer
> share thoughts all the time.
> Also I wanted to make it little clear "as a fare hearted, in good spirit,
> Python programmer and Open Source lover" that saying:
>
> "Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
>
>  understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
>
> visualized by W3C. ... However a more practical approach is extracting
>
>  semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing web content. Such services are already becoming available."
>
> I see these lines as making wrong comment on somebody's presentation. I
> don't understand how come bottom up approach is theoretical and Top down is
> practical? And how do you find ontologies based on these services? Whole
> point of SW is to make content available for Machine to process. Top Down
> approach may simplifying the thing in terms of development but using NLP and
> Machine learning related tools with possible inaccuracies of annotations.
> These approaches are useful only if you are looking for small benefits like
> annotating casual online content. You can not use it for services like:
> http://data.gov see: http://blogs.zdnet.com/semantic-web/?p=319
> Also, I don't think an average developer will be able to code Machine
> learning examples or use NLP to build Semantic Web based systems. OpenCalais
> may have used it (I don't know the details of their internals) but what we
> get out of it is "metatagging" which somebody can use to tag his documents
> and store in databases. Also there are now tools which can make the bottom
> up life much easier: http://esw.w3.org/topic/ConverterToRdf . Please read
> the articles of Danny Ayers (Researchers, Developer and Entrepreneur), Jim
> Handler (Researcher).
>
> Few interesting links I want to share with our PyCon community:
>
> 1) http://blogs.zdnet.com/semantic-web/?p=319
> 2) http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/03/01-ushouse-future-of-the-web.html
> 3) http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-semweb/
>
> Take these points as somebody is giving his inputs on SW and pointing the
> false saying: Ontologies and theoretical bottom up approach or W3C view. It
> is not pedagogic anywhere if taken in good spirit. Also, I nowhere say that
> there is no Top Down approach.
>
>
One suggestion totally apart from the context of your post.
 Please make posts keeping the line length to a readable
 one. I for one prefer not more than 81 chars.

 The text of your post is going well beyond twice the
 width of my browser.




> Regards,
> Sundar
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM, abstract things <
>> abstractthings at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> My name is Sundar and I am Senior Python programming language user [?] (I mean 3+ years). I like Python programming. Well, I haven't registered for PyCon early enough but I attended Mayavi, Algorithms and Semantic Web talk. Wanted to attend many other interesting talks as well but time didn't permit me. So following some of the online material now.
>>>
>>> I also have very much interest in Semantic Web but I some how don't agree with the Anand's post. No offence Anand. I am following Semantic Web since 2005 onwards (soon after the SPARQL draft was out) and have been active member in online Semantic Web groups. Open Calais is a Web service which stores data/information with Semantics. When we access Open Calais store by its APIs, what we get in return is JSON format (may be others as well, I haven't explored much its API) results with entity and value etc. But that is something like taking data out from your database after sending a query. If somebody follows WordNet and NLP can figure it out with document classification algorithms that the particular text you are sending to Open Calais has what semantics associated (associated Nouns, Verbs e.g. Person, place, actions, class of the text i.e. sports, politics, history etc).
>>>
>>> Arranging this information on our webpage or blog is not the Semantic Web. I would call it as fetching data from a Semantic Data store and arranging it on our webpages so that Search engines can find it in better manner or we can have quality or enriched information on our webpages (one can use RDFa). Semantic Web is what happening inside Open Calais along with other Linguistics based features for extracting meaning of the data we send or ask through API. And no way anybody can call this as ONTOLOGY. Ontologies are like domain modelling, a hard thing). Ontologies are inside thing of Open Calais. What we get out from their data store is not an Ontology. Its simply the data with semantics we are getting (just the relationships without actually knowing the domain model built inside). We no way have any knowledge of how the data inside Open Calais is stored and what their ontology for a particular domain is (Something similar to getting results out from a database without knowing what the internal schema is).
>>>
>>> Semantic Web basic concept has RDF (which is in turn an XML based standard). What that guy in PyCon showed in his presentation was a direction to think about Semantic Web if you yourself is building some Semantic Web based system (eg. if your company wants to launch some online system with Semantic Web features then you can have your domain vocabulary defined and accessible using a URL, also how the RDF statements can be made, what are the best practices for making such statements etc). His talk was more of focused on large Enterprise systems and integrations compared to using Semantic Web for Web page based data annotation. (Micro formats is not the part of W3C based Semantic Web protocol stack).
>>>
>>> Based on my limited knowledge, RDFa and GRDDL are the two standards from W3C that can be used for Web content annotation and the RDFLib (that guy used this library in his practical Python examples if you remember) can generate RDFa documents from the triples you have in your datastore (see his last 3 or 4 slides). RDF based XML documents can be generated from a Web application or an enterprise application for semantic based data exchange.
>>>
>>> Well, my thoughts here are not to argue on any thing but to give a picture of Semantic Web from my acquired knowledge in last 4or so years. (and also the perspective of that guy as I observed).
>>>
>>> I guess it would have been more interesting if that guy would have given few examples of using Description Logic to describe data relationship and how OWL fits into that model and also about Stanford's Semantic Web Protege editor or some other editors for designing Ontologies. I guess it requires more than 45 min.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, his talk was satisfying for me, may be because I already had background knowledge of this subject.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sundar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>wrote:
>>>
>>> >* Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.*
>>>
>>>  Cool. Here is a brief of what I want to present.
>>>
>>>  Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
>>>  understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
>>>  visualized by W3C.
>>>
>>>  This is however a top-down approach which requires annotating
>>>  web-pages with metadata such as RDF, microformats etc.
>>>
>>>  However a more practical approach is extracting
>>>  semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
>>>  web content. Such services are already becoming available.
>>>
>>>  I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
>>>  by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
>>>  using the rich semantic data returned by the service.
>>>
>>>  The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
>>>  Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I would direct your attention to this article on dissection of semantic
>> web
>>  technologies at readwriteweb.
>>
>>  http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_top-down_semantic_web.php
>>
>>  And excuse my phraseology - I mixed up "top down" with "bottom up".
>>  Approaches such as OpenCalais are actually top down not bottom up.
>>  The traditional "Semantic web" is bottom up. The point to take is
>>   to not be pedagogic and accept that the term "Semantic web" can be
>>  used for other top down approaches also. Period.
>>
>>
>>>  >**>**>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <*>* abpillai at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>**>>**>>**>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>> wrote:*>>**>>>* On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>*>>>* wrote:*>>>* > I will come too. Is it a casual meeting or does it have some agenda?*>>>**>>>* Some cleanup regarding the conference. Anand had some stuff on open*>>>* calais that he was planning to present*>>>**>>**>>* Good idea, even I did not think about it. How many would be interested in*>>* some hands on demo of a bottom up approach to semantic web using Python ?*>>**>>**>>>**>>>**>>>* --*>>>* ~noufal*>>>* http://nibrahim.net.in*>>>* _______________________________________________*>>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* --*>>* --Anand*>>**>>**>>**>>**>>* _______________________________________________*>>* Inpycon mailing list*>>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>>**>>**>**>* _______________________________________________*>* Inpycon mailing list*>* Inpycon at python.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>*>* http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon*>**>**
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From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 08:09:36 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:39:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910102220g268e99f4if71ebdf67c4f6ae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910091053ke038307waadde3ef326b5581@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9963e56e0910102309l236c34f7of2678641a21b286c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:[..]
>
>
> One suggestion totally apart from the context of your post.
>  Please make posts keeping the line length to a readable
>  one. I for one prefer not more than 81 chars.
>
>  The text of your post is going well beyond twice the
>  width of my browser.
>
>  [..]
>

+1

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From ardsrk at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:27:41 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:57:41 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910101044r7ef8d808tb622f15bc56205bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910091053ke038307waadde3ef326b5581@mail.gmail.com>
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Since this meetup is only about things regarding PyCon I thought I'd better
skip it. See you guys in the next meetup.

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What time is the meet tomorrow?
> >
> > Can someone confirm exact schedule?[..]
>
> 3 to 5. There's no formal schedule as such. I want to spend about 30
> minutes discussing some things regarding the conference. Since Anand
> is not giving the Open Calais talk, I'm not sure what we'll do with
> the rest of the time.
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sun Oct 11 13:59:23 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:29:23 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910102220g268e99f4if71ebdf67c4f6ae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910091053ke038307waadde3ef326b5581@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8548c5f30910102220g268e99f4if71ebdf67c4f6ae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910111729.23643.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Sunday 11 Oct 2009 10:50:16 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > is not pedagogic anywhere if taken in good spirit. Also, I nowhere say
> > that there is no Top Down approach.
>
> One suggestion totally apart from the context of your post.
>  Please make posts keeping the line length to a readable
>  one. I for one prefer not more than 81 chars.
>
>  The text of your post is going well beyond twice the
>  width of my browser.

it is also a good idea to trim the quoted parts of the post when replying ;-) 
I had to scroll right down to see if you had posted anything more.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From msenthil008 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 14:59:31 2009
From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:29:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] suggestion
Message-ID: <cfa3f0030910110559v6f494c74j7e93932d05e9b7b7@mail.gmail.com>

just a suggestion. why dont pycon commitee organize online python
programming contests?
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 15:37:13 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:07:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] suggestion
In-Reply-To: <cfa3f0030910110559v6f494c74j7e93932d05e9b7b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910110559v6f494c74j7e93932d05e9b7b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910110637q227d31fcm1ef336634eaefdfc@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:

> just a suggestion. why dont pycon commitee organize online python
> programming contests?
> ___________________


Good question. Why doesn't the PSF do it then, since they have been
active much before us ?

Answer: A language is not popularized by programming contests but
by helping its adoption among users, developers and other practitioners.
Programming contests always have a selfish motive, and they are
typically done by companies wanting to promote themselves, not the
language.


> ____________________________
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From abstractthings at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:28:06 2009
From: abstractthings at gmail.com (abstract things)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:58:06 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
In-Reply-To: <200910111729.23643.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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Oh my fault! Sure Kenneth, I shall take care now. I didn't notice that it
was all going in long lines beyond the browser width.

Cheers,
Sundar

it is also a good idea to trim the quoted parts of the post when replying
> ;-)
> I had to scroll right down to see if you had posted anything more.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 07:28:14 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:58:14 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] WiFi blues
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910122228j4e512286rb8b30c8077dd56df@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent article at Joel's blog on WiFi at conferences.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/10/08.html

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From abstractthings at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 13:34:55 2009
From: abstractthings at gmail.com (abstract things)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:04:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and future
	plan
Message-ID: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
As we have concluded PyCon for year 2009, I guess it is time now to have a
Post Conference analysis about the performance of the decided milestones
and discloser of PyCon account to PyCon *Janta *here on mailing list and
Twitter.

Following things will be helpful to include in this post event analysis
exercise for the betterment of PyCon 2010 in India:

1) Listing out all the milestones got decided before the start of PyCon 09.

2) Total number of on paper attendees.

3) Total number of on paper paid attendees.

4) Amount got collected from the Sponsors.

5) Account of amount spend.

6) Amount left over for the PyCon 2010.

7) Who holds the PyCon India web presence on http://in.pycon.org.

8) Total number of uploaded videos.

9) If some videos didn't get uploaded, who is responsible (if the number is
just less than 5 then it could be considered video recorders negligence).

10) Not so pleasant or negative comments by any attendee on any matter of
PyCon e.g. WiFi access, access to power plug pins etc. We can consider this
as the positive inputs for the betterment of next PyCon.

11) Names of all the PyCon 2009 committee members who devoted their personal
time and efforts for organizing this event.

12) Plans for PyCon 2010.


I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or attendees at
least, as we open source lovers for Open source software will be a good
practice to organize future PyCon in India.

Regards,
Sundar
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 14:19:01 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:49:01 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
In-Reply-To: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910130519s589b799as2955c93417e80709@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All,
> As we have concluded PyCon for year 2009, I guess it is time now to have a
> Post Conference analysis about the performance of the decided milestones
> and?discloser of PyCon account to?PyCon Janta here on mailing list and
> Twitter.?[..]

We discussed much of this at the meeting last weekend. I will be
sending out the minutes soon. There's been some turbulence in my
personal affairs which prevents me from spending time online.

BTW. I'm not sure if we've met before. Pardon me if we have but were
you there for any of the meetings before the conf.? I'm getting old
and senile so probably don't remember. :-/



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 14:51:22 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:21:22 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
In-Reply-To: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910130551p544ed1c7g43f8e4e28d22b997@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
> As we have concluded PyCon for year 2009, I guess it is time now to have a
> Post Conference analysis about the performance of the decided milestones
> and discloser of PyCon account to PyCon *Janta *here on mailing list and
> Twitter.
>
> Following things will be helpful to include in this post event analysis
> exercise for the betterment of PyCon 2010 in India:
>
> 1) Listing out all the milestones got decided before the start of PyCon 09.
>
> 2) Total number of on paper attendees.
>
> 3) Total number of on paper paid attendees.
>
> 4) Amount got collected from the Sponsors.
>
> 5) Account of amount spend.
>
> 6) Amount left over for the PyCon 2010.
>
> 7) Who holds the PyCon India web presence on http://in.pycon.org.
>
> 8) Total number of uploaded videos.
>
> 9) If some videos didn't get uploaded, who is responsible (if the number is
> just less than 5 then it could be considered video recorders negligence).
>
> 10) Not so pleasant or negative comments by any attendee on any matter of
> PyCon e.g. WiFi access, access to power plug pins etc. We can consider this
> as the positive inputs for the betterment of next PyCon.
>
> 11) Names of all the PyCon 2009 committee members who devoted their
> personal time and efforts for organizing this event.
>
> 12) Plans for PyCon 2010.
>
>
> I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or attendees at
> least, as we open source lovers for Open source software will be a good
> practice to organize future PyCon in India.
>

 One of the main decisions in last review meeting was to continue to hold
PyCon India in India.


>
> Regards,
> Sundar
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>
Thanks,

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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 14:54:15 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:24:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910130551p544ed1c7g43f8e4e28d22b997@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910130551p544ed1c7g43f8e4e28d22b997@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910130554l5c3c39e9sb307a4dd16049d88@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things <abstractthings at gmail.com>
> wrote:
[..]
>> I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or attendees at
>> least, as we open source lovers for Open source software will be a good
>> practice to organize future PyCon in India.
>
> ?One of the main decisions in last review meeting was to continue to hold
> PyCon India in India.

[..]

+1

It wasn't the only decision we took but it was definitely one of the
most important ones.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abstractthings at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 15:57:17 2009
From: abstractthings at gmail.com (abstract things)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
In-Reply-To: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37e621180910130657w1bbc0d45l19864bb43d67bfbd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Noufal,

I don't think we have met before. I wasn't present in PyCon meetings as I
mentioned in my email few days back (well sort of deducting reasoning :) ).
But I know you as you were active there during conference :). Good work
Noufal. Regarding the minutes of the meeting and analysis, we will love to
see your response as it may inspire many PyCon attendees to organize similar
events with openess in their respective locations.

Certainly, the decision to organize PyCon 2010 is a good thing and positive
direction but its long way as of now. This time we will invite more
developers and corporate biggie's to attend as we see in many National level
conferences. Also, some professors/researchers who have organized similar
conferences in their life time. It will bring more professional touch.

Looking forward to the minutes of the meetings and analysis.

Thanks,

Regards,
Sundar



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
> As we have concluded PyCon for year 2009, I guess it is time now to have a
> Post Conference analysis about the performance of the decided milestones
> and discloser of PyCon account to PyCon *Janta *here on mailing list and
> Twitter.
>
> Following things will be helpful to include in this post event analysis
> exercise for the betterment of PyCon 2010 in India:
>
> 1) Listing out all the milestones got decided before the start of PyCon 09.
>
> 2) Total number of on paper attendees.
>
> 3) Total number of on paper paid attendees.
>
> 4) Amount got collected from the Sponsors.
>
> 5) Account of amount spend.
>
> 6) Amount left over for the PyCon 2010.
>
> 7) Who holds the PyCon India web presence on http://in.pycon.org.
>
> 8) Total number of uploaded videos.
>
> 9) If some videos didn't get uploaded, who is responsible (if the number is
> just less than 5 then it could be considered video recorders negligence).
>
> 10) Not so pleasant or negative comments by any attendee on any matter of
> PyCon e.g. WiFi access, access to power plug pins etc. We can consider this
> as the positive inputs for the betterment of next PyCon.
>
> 11) Names of all the PyCon 2009 committee members who devoted their
> personal time and efforts for organizing this event.
>
> 12) Plans for PyCon 2010.
>
>
> I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or attendees at
> least, as we open source lovers for Open source software will be a good
> practice to organize future PyCon in India.
>
> Regards,
> Sundar
>
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 16:07:54 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:37:54 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910130551p544ed1c7g43f8e4e28d22b997@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910130551p544ed1c7g43f8e4e28d22b997@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910130707j1925b1cfy70928499bf077e5b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things <abstractthings at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> As we have concluded PyCon for year 2009, I guess it is time now to have a
>> Post Conference analysis about the performance of the decided milestones
>> and discloser of PyCon account to PyCon *Janta *here on mailing list and
>> Twitter.
>>
>> Following things will be helpful to include in this post event analysis
>> exercise for the betterment of PyCon 2010 in India:
>>
>> 1) Listing out all the milestones got decided before the start of PyCon
>> 09.
>>
>> 2) Total number of on paper attendees.
>>
>> 3) Total number of on paper paid attendees.
>>
>> 4) Amount got collected from the Sponsors.
>>
>> 5) Account of amount spend.
>>
>> 6) Amount left over for the PyCon 2010.
>>
>> 7) Who holds the PyCon India web presence on http://in.pycon.org.
>>
>> 8) Total number of uploaded videos.
>>
>> 9) If some videos didn't get uploaded, who is responsible (if the number
>> is just less than 5 then it could be considered video recorders negligence).
>>
>> 10) Not so pleasant or negative comments by any attendee on any matter of
>> PyCon e.g. WiFi access, access to power plug pins etc. We can consider this
>> as the positive inputs for the betterment of next PyCon.
>>
>> 11) Names of all the PyCon 2009 committee members who devoted their
>> personal time and efforts for organizing this event.
>>
>> 12) Plans for PyCon 2010.
>>
>>
>> I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or attendees at
>> least, as we open source lovers for Open source software will be a good
>> practice to organize future PyCon in India.
>>
>
>  One of the main decisions in last review meeting was to continue to hold
> PyCon India in India.
>
>
India, or is't Bangalore, Anand

>
>> Regards,
>> Sundar
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


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From gora at srijan.in  Tue Oct 13 20:40:58 2009
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:10:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
 future plan
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910130554l5c3c39e9sb307a4dd16049d88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:24:15 +0530
Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things
> > <abstractthings at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> >> I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or
> >> attendees at least, as we open source lovers for Open source
> >> software will be a good practice to organize future PyCon in
> >> India.
> >
> > ?One of the main decisions in last review meeting was to
> > continue to hold PyCon India in India.
[...]

While entirely an onlooker at this event (one who could not even
make it to the event), I would like to make a case for a FOSS Pycon
India. This is probably going to lead to an endless argument, and
I am not particularly interested in a discussion that simply
rehashes everyone's entrenched positions (including my own, of
course).

My bottom line is based around two points: (a) My commitment, and
of people that I know, is based around volunteering for a FOSS
conference. I very seriously believe in *not* volunteering my
time for a non-FOSS event, for reasons I am not immediately
discussing. (b) If (a) is acceptable, we can provide a home for
a FOSS Pycon event in Delhi/NCR, with help in local organisation.
My hope would be to merge it with Freed.in (http://freed.in) this
coming Feb., but that is open to discussion.

Please do let me know if this sounds workable, and let us discuss
how people could be involved. Please also understand that I will
also need a confirmation from local organisers. At this point, we
are just kicking the idea around.

Regards,
Gora

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:49:57 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:19:57 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
In-Reply-To: <20091014001058.3c5a208a@anubis>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910130551p544ed1c7g43f8e4e28d22b997@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:24:15 +0530
> Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> > <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things
> > > <abstractthings at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [..]
> > >> I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or
> > >> attendees at least, as we open source lovers for Open source
> > >> software will be a good practice to organize future PyCon in
> > >> India.
> > >
> > >  One of the main decisions in last review meeting was to
> > > continue to hold PyCon India in India.
> [...]
>
> While entirely an onlooker at this event (one who could not even
> make it to the event), I would like to make a case for a FOSS Pycon
> India. This is probably going to lead to an endless argument, and
> I am not particularly interested in a discussion that simply
> rehashes everyone's entrenched positions (including my own, of
> course).
>
> My bottom line is based around two points: (a) My commitment, and
> of people that I know, is based around volunteering for a FOSS
> conference. I very seriously believe in *not* volunteering my
> time for a non-FOSS event, for reasons I am not immediately
> discussing. (b) If (a) is acceptable, we can provide a home for
> a FOSS Pycon event in Delhi/NCR, with help in local organisation.
> My hope would be to merge it with Freed.in (http://freed.in) this
> coming Feb., but that is open to discussion.
>
> Please do let me know if this sounds workable, and let us discuss
> how people could be involved. Please also understand that I will
> also need a confirmation from local organisers. At this point, we
> are just kicking the idea around.
>

Can we please take this discussion to another thread ? It is indeed
a good discussion to have, but not in this abstract thread.


>
> Regards,
> Gora
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>


Thanks

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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:59:01 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:29:01 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
In-Reply-To: <20091014001058.3c5a208a@anubis>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910130551p544ed1c7g43f8e4e28d22b997@mail.gmail.com>
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By all means I feel no one in the group has anything against the idea of
having another Python conference anywhere in the country, anytime soon or
later. However remember, its upto individuals to actually find time to
volunteer for such efforts.

I believe Pycon India has been successful because of selfless efforts of
some individuals such as Noufal, Senthil, Kenneth, Anands  among others.

If a particular event has to be planned and implemented successfully in a
particular city or region, its important that we have local champions
running around to support it.

Why don't you discuss with organizers of Freed.in, see their interest
levels, and moot a proposal on a separate thread, and then check interest
from other Pythonistas.



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:24:15 +0530
> Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> > <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things
> > > <abstractthings at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [..]
> > >> I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or
> > >> attendees at least, as we open source lovers for Open source
> > >> software will be a good practice to organize future PyCon in
> > >> India.
> > >
> > >  One of the main decisions in last review meeting was to
> > > continue to hold PyCon India in India.
> [...]
>
> While entirely an onlooker at this event (one who could not even
> make it to the event), I would like to make a case for a FOSS Pycon
> India. This is probably going to lead to an endless argument, and
> I am not particularly interested in a discussion that simply
> rehashes everyone's entrenched positions (including my own, of
> course).
>
> My bottom line is based around two points: (a) My commitment, and
> of people that I know, is based around volunteering for a FOSS
> conference. I very seriously believe in *not* volunteering my
> time for a non-FOSS event, for reasons I am not immediately
> discussing. (b) If (a) is acceptable, we can provide a home for
> a FOSS Pycon event in Delhi/NCR, with help in local organisation.
> My hope would be to merge it with Freed.in (http://freed.in) this
> coming Feb., but that is open to discussion.
>
> Please do let me know if this sounds workable, and let us discuss
> how people could be involved. Please also understand that I will
> also need a confirmation from local organisers. At this point, we
> are just kicking the idea around.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:03:12 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:33:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
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References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

> By all means I feel no one in the group has anything against the idea of
> having another Python conference anywhere in the country, anytime soon or
> later. However remember, its upto individuals to actually find time to
> volunteer for such efforts.
>
> I believe Pycon India has been successful because of selfless efforts of
> some individuals such as Noufal, Senthil, Kenneth, Anands  among others.
>
> If a particular event has to be planned and implemented successfully in a
> particular city or region, its important that we have local champions
> running around to support it.
>
> Why don't you discuss with organizers of Freed.in, see their interest
> levels, and moot a proposal on a separate thread, and then check interest
> from other Pythonistas.
>
>
>
 Thank you. No more posts to this thread. I am going to observe
 anybody posting to this thread and moderate their posts. The thread
 is closed.


>
>
>


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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:10:10 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:40:10 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about the
	performance and future plan)
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
[..]
> My bottom line is based around two points: (a) My commitment, and
> of people that I know, is based around volunteering for a FOSS
> conference. I very seriously believe in *not* volunteering my
> time for a non-FOSS event, for reasons I am not immediately
> discussing. (b) If (a) is acceptable, we can provide a home for
> a FOSS Pycon event in Delhi/NCR, with help in local organisation.
> My hope would be to merge it with Freed.in (http://freed.in) this
> coming Feb., but that is open to discussion.
>
> Please do let me know if this sounds workable, and let us discuss
> how people could be involved. Please also understand that I will
> also need a confirmation from local organisers. At this point, we
> are just kicking the idea around.
[..]

If there are sufficient people who want a pure FOSS PyCon, I think you
should go for it.
I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising. Also, if this is
to be *the* official PyCon India 2010, I wouldn't be in support of the
idea myself.

One thing that I can foresee is difficultly in arranging sponsors.
You'd have to consider other sources of funding.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:15:01 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:45:01 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Post Conference analysis about the performance and
	future plan
In-Reply-To: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910130434l7df3089ela33060e1afbdcc76@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
> As we have concluded PyCon for year 2009, I guess it is time now to have a
> Post Conference analysis about the performance of the decided milestones
> and discloser of PyCon account to PyCon *Janta *here on mailing list and
> Twitter.
>
> Following things will be helpful to include in this post event analysis
> exercise for the betterment of PyCon 2010 in India:
>
> 1) Listing out all the milestones got decided before the start of PyCon 09.
>

  Did not understand this. What do you mean by milestones got decided
  before start of PyCon 09  now that the conference is over ?


>
> 2) Total number of on paper attendees.
>
> 3) Total number of on paper paid attendees.
>
> 4) Amount got collected from the Sponsors.
>
> 5) Account of amount spend.
>
> 6) Amount left over for the PyCon 2010.
>

 These details will be made clear once the organizers sort out the details.
 We have had one meeting after the conference for follow-up actions
 w.r.t informing delegates about videos, feedback forms etc and also
 regarding formation of a PyCon India society.

 Further meetings will be held shortly to discuss funds and once the
 accounts are settled, all information will be made available to this list.


> 7) Who holds the PyCon India web presence on http://in.pycon.org.
>

 Web presence ? The site is owned and managed by Kenneth and his
 team of volunteers. The domain name is owned by PyCon.


>
> 8) Total number of uploaded videos.
>

These are getting uploaded by volunteers including me. It is some process
 since the videos need to be ripped from the DVDs, compressed and
 uploaded to blip.tv. I assume the number right now must be around 4-5
 at least though I haven't checked.


>
> 9) If some videos didn't get uploaded, who is responsible (if the number is
> just less than 5 then it could be considered video recorders negligence).
>

 The organizers are responsible for any video that got uploaded or did not.


>
> 10) Not so pleasant or negative comments by any attendee on any matter of
> PyCon e.g. WiFi access, access to power plug pins etc. We can consider this
> as the positive inputs for the betterment of next PyCon.
>
> 11) Names of all the PyCon 2009 committee members who devoted their
> personal time and efforts for organizing this event.
>

 There is no need to discuss this. Most of the people who have taken
 part have done so by contributing their valuable personal time without
 expecting publicity. As said in the site and this list, this has been a
100%
 volunteer effort with everyone who took part in organizing chipping in
 to do their bit. The successful completion of the conference itself is
 the best vote of thanks for everyone. There has been no armchair
 volunteer in this conference.

 If you want to know the names, you can perhaps do a scan of the
 people who have actively taken part in this list over the last 5 months
 or so. That would give you an approximate idea.



>
> 12) Plans for PyCon 2010.
>

 These will be discussed in further meetings and posted here for follow ups.
 Currently there are no concrete plans though the idea is to continue to
hold
 the conference in Bangalore itself for 2010 with better amenities and
 aiming for wider participation and better planning in every aspect.


>
>
> I believe that keeping things in public eye, Python lovers or attendees at
> least, as we open source lovers for Open source software will be a good
> practice to organize future PyCon in India.
>

 PyCon as visualized now will continue to be a Python conference, focussing
 on the Python aspect. We don't want to mix in FOSS/non-FOSS into
 it early in its childhood.



>
> Regards,
> Sundar
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>
Thanks,

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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 22:51:53 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:21:53 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
> [..]
> > My bottom line is based around two points: (a) My commitment, and
> > of people that I know, is based around volunteering for a FOSS
> > conference. I very seriously believe in *not* volunteering my
> > time for a non-FOSS event, for reasons I am not immediately
> > discussing. (b) If (a) is acceptable, we can provide a home for
> > a FOSS Pycon event in Delhi/NCR, with help in local organisation.
> > My hope would be to merge it with Freed.in (http://freed.in) this
> > coming Feb., but that is open to discussion.
> >
> > Please do let me know if this sounds workable, and let us discuss
> > how people could be involved. Please also understand that I will
> > also need a confirmation from local organisers. At this point, we
> > are just kicking the idea around.
> [..]
>
> If there are sufficient people who want a pure FOSS PyCon, I think you
> should go for it.
> I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
> clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising. Also, if this is
> to be *the* official PyCon India 2010, I wouldn't be in support of the
> idea myself.
>

Yes. I second Noufal there. I think we took a call to have the next Pycon
India in Bangalore, with satellite events in other cities.

Second FOSS is more a philosophy, concept and Python is a programming
language used by the masses irrespective of their own inclinations, choice
to share code or to even licence their code

>
> One thing that I can foresee is difficultly in arranging sponsors.
> You'd have to consider other sources of funding.



If you guys can actually plan this as a track within Freed.in, then I think
fund worries can be mostly resolved.


Most importantly I think we need to go beyond our own conferences, and work
with as many similarly themed conferences (such as foss.in, freed, or some
other developer event), and spread word that Python is rocking....



> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 03:32:15 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:02:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910131351n2c7713a8t9778c669db8f4997@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00910131351n2c7713a8t9778c669db8f4997@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910140702.15956.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 2:21:53 am Ramdas S wrote:
> Most importantly I think we need to go beyond our own conferences, and work
> with as many similarly themed conferences (such as foss.in, freed, or some
> other developer event), and spread word that Python is rocking....

this is the in.pycon list - a list for the Indian Pycon Conference. The 
purpose of the list is to run the Indian Pycon Conference. The question of 
diluting the conference by restricting it to FOSS or by linking it to other 
conferences does not arise.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 03:54:27 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:24:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
Message-ID: <200910140724.27959.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:40:10 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
> [..]
>
> > My bottom line is based around two points: (a) My commitment, and
> > of people that I know, is based around volunteering for a FOSS
> > conference. I very seriously believe in not volunteering my
> > time for a non-FOSS event, for reasons I am not immediately
> > discussing. (b) If (a) is acceptable, we can provide a home for
> > a FOSS Pycon event in Delhi/NCR, with help in local organisation.
> > My hope would be to merge it with Freed.in (http://freed.in) this
> > coming Feb., but that is open to discussion.
> >
> > Please do let me know if this sounds workable, and let us discuss
> > how people could be involved. Please also understand that I will
> > also need a confirmation from local organisers. At this point, we
> > are just kicking the idea around.
>
> [..]
>
> If there are sufficient people who want a pure FOSS PyCon, I think you
> should go for it.
> I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
> clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising. Also, if this is
> to be the official PyCon India 2010, I wouldn't be in support of the
> idea myself.
>
> One thing that I can foresee is difficultly in arranging sponsors.
> You'd have to consider other sources of funding.

chennaipy is interested in bidding for the 2010 conference and will be meeting 
on the 24th the finalise the bid - note that the bid will be without pre-
conditions.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/


From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 05:00:32 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:45:32 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 02:36, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> with as many similarly themed conferences (such as foss.in, freed, or some

-1. More than the (non-)floss aspect of the conference, certain cabals
would make me rethink about volunteering my time, even though my
contribution to inpycon09 was limited to testing Kenneth's conference
app.

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 05:46:08 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:16:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If there are sufficient people who want a pure FOSS PyCon, I think you
> should go for it.
> I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
> clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising. Also, if this is
> to be *the* official PyCon India 2010, I wouldn't be in support of the
> idea myself.
>
> One thing that I can foresee is difficultly in arranging sponsors.
> You'd have to consider other sources of funding.

I think connecting the conference to another event will dilute the
significance of PyCon. What I read from reports is that we had a good
turnout and we did get a notice Internationally. So a logic move will
be to take things to next level from here.

Python is itself FOSS and so are the batteries. But python license
itself allows python to be used in closed source environment. So I
think we need to define the scope of the event here. What I notice
from going through the talks of other Pycon that most talks are
focused on either development related to python core or use cases of
python in industry. We can restrict the talks to the two options
mentioned at the same time ensuring that no sales pitch takes place
during the event.

 One more suggestion, try not to host PyCon close to a festival. :)

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From siddharta.lists at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:16:27 2009
From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:46:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
 the	performance and future plan)
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Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
> clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising. 
Agreed. It's a good idea to have python tracks at other conferences, but 
the main PyCon event should not be restricted to FOSS.

--
Siddharta Govindaraj


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 07:27:54 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:57:54 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon]
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 10:46:27 am Siddharta wrote:
> Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
> > clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising.
>
> Agreed. It's a good idea to have python tracks at other conferences, but
> the main PyCon event should not be restricted to FOSS.

and anyway I do not think Pycon people will agree to either ban non-foss or 
mix this conference with others. Since we are now an established brand name, a 
lot of people (who otherwise would not dream of volunteering to work for the 
conference) will want to cash in on it.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:33:08 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:03:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 10:46:27 am Siddharta wrote:
> > Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > > I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
> > > clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising.
> >
> > Agreed. It's a good idea to have python tracks at other conferences, but
> > the main PyCon event should not be restricted to FOSS.
>
> and anyway I do not think Pycon people will agree to either ban non-foss or
> mix this conference with others. Since we are now an established brand
> name, a
> lot of people (who otherwise would not dream of volunteering to work for
> the
> conference) will want to cash in on it.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:34:19 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:04:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
[..]
> and anyway I do not think Pycon people will agree to either ban non-foss or
> mix this conference with others.

I certainly wouldn't but I can see where the OP is coming from. The
intersection of Python and FOSS while big is probably not enough for
an entire conference. A track at something else might be a better
idea.

> Since we are now an established brand name, a
> lot of people (who otherwise would not dream of volunteering to work for the
> conference) will want to cash in on it.

Oh come on. We're not *that* established yet and I welcome help and
suggestions from everyone. I wouldn't write off a different opinion as
an attempt to ride the wave and cash in on the conf.


[..]



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 07:37:39 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:07:39 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:04:19 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > Since we are now an established brand name, a
> > lot of people (who otherwise would not dream of volunteering to work for
> > the conference) will want to cash in on it.
>
> Oh come on. We're not that established yet and I welcome help and
> suggestions from everyone. I wouldn't write off a different opinion as
> an attempt to ride the wave and cash in on the conf.

maybe I am much more cynical than you ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:54:33 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:24:33 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:04:19 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> > Since we are now an established brand name, a
>> > lot of people (who otherwise would not dream of volunteering to work for
>> > the conference) will want to cash in on it.
>>
>> Oh come on. We're not that established yet and I welcome help and
>> suggestions from everyone. I wouldn't write off a different opinion as
>> an attempt to ride the wave and cash in on the conf.
>
> maybe I am much more cynical than you ;-)

Surprisingly so. I work very hard on keeping myself cynical but you do
it so effortlessly. ;)



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:58:13 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:28:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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Surprisingly so. I work very hard on keeping myself cynical but you do
it so effortlessly. ;)
I am not sure whether this was announced by Noufal already. At this stage, I
think it's important to note that we are registering a society to manage
Pycon and other events. Kunal who was a key organizer of Pycon India is
expected to close this shortly.
I'd appreciate if everyone cooperates with this initiative so that we can
all help in efforts, especially to raise funds for whatever conferences
events which people are proposing. United efforts does help in a long way
than fragmented ones.


As a user of the programming language, I would like to see as many Python
conferences as possible, irrespective of whichver philosophy or religion the
conferences subscribes to. I am also quite keen to see seperate Python
tracks at other conferences, and it need not be necessarily managed by any
one in this group.

I am not very sure about using/misusing Pycon India as a brand, and how that
will pan out....

And strictly speaking (atleast within this group) the language is actually
bigger than any phliosophy, ideology or business model which people subs
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:00:37 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:30:37 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> [..]
> > and anyway I do not think Pycon people will agree to either ban non-foss
> or
> > mix this conference with others.
>
> I certainly wouldn't but I can see where the OP is coming from. The
> intersection of Python and FOSS while big is probably not enough for
> an entire conference. A track at something else might be a better
> idea.


 FOSS is an abused and overused word in India, for conferences.
 Some of the more prominent "FOSS" conferences have typically
 little to do with contributing back to the foss community, when
 compared to the mileage extracted by the organizers out of it,
 if you see where I am coming from.



>
> > Since we are now an established brand name, a
> > lot of people (who otherwise would not dream of volunteering to work for
> the
> > conference) will want to cash in on it.
>
> Oh come on. We're not *that* established yet and I welcome help and
> suggestions from everyone. I wouldn't write off a different opinion as
> an attempt to ride the wave and cash in on the conf.
>

 I think the brand equity right now is in the "PyCon" not in "PyCon India".
PyCon
 India gets its halo from PyCon. One more successful session would give
PyCon
 India it own brand value.

 There is some truth in Kenneth's argument which explains why we are
 seeing hailstorm much after the rain is over. Typically it is the other way
around ;-)


>
>
> [..]
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 08:04:09 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:34:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:28:13 am Ramdas S wrote:
> I am not sure whether this was announced by Noufal already. At this stage,
> I think it's important to note that we are registering a society to manage
> Pycon and other events. Kunal who was a key organizer of Pycon India is
> expected to close this shortly.

are you registering an all India society? or a Karnataka level society? I 
would appreciate floating the proposed set up before us before finalising. 
Leaving things to lawyers is not a good idea - they tend to be opiniated and 
goof up.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 08:10:06 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:55:06 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:49, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:28:13 am Ramdas S wrote:
>> I am not sure whether this was announced by Noufal already. At this stage,
>> I think it's important to note that we are registering a society to manage
>> Pycon and other events. Kunal who was a key organizer of Pycon India is
>> expected to close this shortly.
>
> are you registering an all India society? or a Karnataka level society?

to be precise, is it a
1. Trust
2. Society/Association
3. Sec25 company.


> would appreciate floating the proposed set up before us before finalising.

yes please. Such things should be discussed in an open and transparent
manner (read this list).

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||
|| you are what your deepest desire is |  as you desire, so is your
intention | as your intention, so is your will | as is your will, so
is your deed | as is your deed, so is your destiny || ~ upanishads ||

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:16:59 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:46:59 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
the performance and future plan)
To: ramdaz at gmail.com, Mailing list for the PyCon India conference <
inpycon at python.org>


On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:28:13 am Ramdas S wrote:
> I am not sure whether this was announced by Noufal already. At this stage,
> I think it's important to note that we are registering a society to manage
> Pycon and other events. Kunal who was a key organizer of Pycon India is
> expected to close this shortly.

are you registering an all India society? or a Karnataka level society? I
would appreciate floating the proposed set up before us before finalising.
Leaving things to lawyers is not a good idea - they tend to be opiniated and
goof up.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/



-- 
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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:17:51 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:47:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Minutes of Saturday BangPypers meeting (11/Oct)
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910132317n3188e7c8r474f690a9a791757@mail.gmail.com>

X-posting to inpycon since the meeting was mostly PyCon related.

Hello everyone,
   This are the rough minutes of the meeting at ThoughtWorks on 11/Oct

Apart from the technical tidbits, we mostly discussed the conference
and related matters.
Items discussed
- Send a mail using the site bulkmailer on the site with the following
items to all the delegates.
  - Video URL
  - Scipy.in
  - Gratitude
  - Plans ahead and mailing lists to join to stay uptodate.
- Send out consolidated expense statement of the conference to the mailing list
- Register society with boiler plate agreement
- We got some feedback from Sriram of TW regarding the conference
which I'm putting down here.
  - Computer and speaker were far away and that sucked. Photo of the
podium to be sent up front so that they know what to expect.
  - Make of the projector to be told to delegates so that people can
be prepared so that it works.
  - Food distribution was disorganised.
- Professional recording/Volunteer recording (Baiju) - Suggested the
way debconf events are organised and how they're recorded by
volunteers rather than professionals.
- Split the video DVDs to attendees so that they can be uploaded
(please send me a private mail for the username/password of the blip
account)
- Video quality is bad so we'll have to get them remastered by the A/V people.

That's it.

Thanks.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Wed Oct 14 03:29:32 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:59:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:40:10 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
> [..]
>
> > My bottom line is based around two points: (a) My commitment, and
> > of people that I know, is based around volunteering for a FOSS
> > conference. I very seriously believe in not volunteering my
> > time for a non-FOSS event, for reasons I am not immediately
> > discussing. (b) If (a) is acceptable, we can provide a home for
> > a FOSS Pycon event in Delhi/NCR, with help in local organisation.
> > My hope would be to merge it with Freed.in (http://freed.in) this
> > coming Feb., but that is open to discussion.
> >
> > Please do let me know if this sounds workable, and let us discuss
> > how people could be involved. Please also understand that I will
> > also need a confirmation from local organisers. At this point, we
> > are just kicking the idea around.
>
> [..]
>
> If there are sufficient people who want a pure FOSS PyCon, I think you
> should go for it.
> I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
> clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising. Also, if this is
> to be the official PyCon India 2010, I wouldn't be in support of the
> idea myself.
>
> One thing that I can foresee is difficultly in arranging sponsors.
> You'd have to consider other sources of funding.

chennaipy is interested in bidding for the 2010 conference and will be meeting 
on the 24th the finalise the bid - note that the bid will be without pre-
conditions.
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 08:20:13 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:05:13 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis
	about the performance and future plan)
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	<6e38f9f00910132258nd147c4w17c97f39d55b19e@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ramdas, sorry for top-posting but that is the second blank email in
this thread. If you are subscribed to the list, are you not receiving
mails ?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:01, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
> the performance and future plan)
> To: ramdaz at gmail.com, Mailing list for the PyCon India conference
> <inpycon at python.org>
>
>
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:28:13 am Ramdas S wrote:
>> I am not sure whether this was announced by Noufal already. At this stage,
>> I think it's important to note that we are registering a society to manage
>> Pycon and other events. Kunal who was a key organizer of Pycon India is
>> expected to close this shortly.
>
> are you registering an all India society? or a Karnataka level society? I
> would appreciate floating the proposed set up before us before finalising.
> Leaving things to lawyers is not a good idea - they tend to be opiniated and
> goof up.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>



-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:23:28 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:53:28 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910132310v384fe5d1ped872337b8134b04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141107.39432.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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Apropos the society.

We (atleast I) don't have much knowledge on the differences between a
society/trust and while questions abound, I don't know of any place to
seek answers.

Kunal and I are meeting up with a lawyer this Friday to actually
discuss a boilerplate agreement and details of the society.

If there are any points that need to be brought up, please pipe up
right now. As of now, the questions are
0. Is it a Trust, Society/Association or a Sec25 company?
1. All India or Karnataka?

My aim in getting this done is *just* to be a legal face for our
efforts with future events (primarily bank accounts). I'm not
interested in running around with a badge that identifies me as a
member of the Python India society.

I'll keep the group posted with developments and will seek consensus
for large decisions which have relevance.

Thanks.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:29:24 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:24 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Minutes of Saturday BangPypers meeting (11/Oct)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132317n3188e7c8r474f690a9a791757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132317n3188e7c8r474f690a9a791757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910132329r578b931s315c15d05e89f45d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> X-posting to inpycon since the meeting was mostly PyCon related.
>
> Hello everyone,
> ? This are the rough minutes of the meeting at ThoughtWorks on 11/Oct


Forgot one more more point which is to schedule a regular BangPypers
meeting the third weekend of every month.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:31:46 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:01:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910132300n33a772a0tb7be63ee53249a01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD55EAB.2070303@gmail.com> <200910141057.55027.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910132234g71b40ca7x3bdd22bb083447dc@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?FOSS is an abused and overused word in India, for conferences.
> ?Some of the more prominent "FOSS" conferences have typically
> ?little to do with contributing back to the foss community, when
> ?compared to the mileage extracted by the organizers out of it,
> ?if you see where I am coming from.

I agree with you in spirit but if someone really puts his
time/energy/money into a FOSS event, he has a right to extract atleast
*some* mileage out of it.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 08:36:02 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:21:02 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132323s2f3902c0i1db635f92280d005@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141107.39432.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:08, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Apropos the society.
>
> We (atleast I) don't have much knowledge on the differences between a
> society/trust and while questions abound, I don't know of any place to
> seek answers.

Some very basic info :
http://vid.svaksha.com/post/2008/registering-a-non-profit-in-india
[/shameless plug]


> If there are any points that need to be brought up, please pipe up
> right now. As of now, the questions are
> 0. Is it a Trust, Society/Association or a Sec25 company?
> 1. All India or Karnataka?

Actually, #1 is covered by #0.

Irrespective of the kind of registration, from a volunteer
perspective, it would be better to discuss some matters upfront :
2. Board of management for the Reg.Soc/Body and mode of succession on
board of management (Is the members election going to be public or
private)


> My aim in getting this done is *just* to be a legal face for our
> efforts with future events (primarily bank accounts). I'm not
> interested in running around with a badge that identifies me as a
> member of the Python India society.

ditto.

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From kausikram at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:36:14 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:06:14 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132323s2f3902c0i1db635f92280d005@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141107.39432.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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Message-ID: <2597ddb90910132336y7278703dqf20e3eec25f451d6@mail.gmail.com>

>
> My aim in getting this done is *just* to be a legal face for our
> efforts with future events (primarily bank accounts). I'm not
> interested in running around with a badge that identifies me as a
> member of the Python India society.


I think we should look a little deeper than just that. agreed we need to
register primarily to hold a bank account. but then there are a whole lot of
nitty gritty details that have to be ironed out. Better to do it right now,
than think about ways to *fix* bylaws later on.

-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
chaosbudha.blogspot.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490
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From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 08:37:32 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:22:32 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:16, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> ?FOSS is an abused and overused word in India, for conferences.
>> ?Some of the more prominent "FOSS" conferences have typically
>> ?little to do with contributing back to the foss community, when
>> ?compared to the mileage extracted by the organizers out of it,
>> ?if you see where I am coming from.
>
> I agree with you in spirit but if someone really puts his
> time/energy/money into a FOSS event, he has a right to extract atleast
> *some* mileage out of it.

Well, if folks are going to extract financial mileage out of my
volunteer time, which I gave in good faith for a "community" event,
I'd like them to be upfront about it enabling me to rethink my
involvement, et al.

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 08:34:45 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:04:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132323s2f3902c0i1db635f92280d005@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:53:28 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> We (atleast I) don't have much knowledge on the differences between a
> society/trust and while questions abound, I don't know of any place to
> seek answers.
>
> Kunal and I are meeting up with a lawyer this Friday to actually
> discuss a boilerplate agreement and details of the society.
>
> If there are any points that need to be brought up, please pipe up
> right now. As of now, the questions are
> 0. Is it a Trust, Society/Association or a Sec25 company?
> 1. All India or Karnataka?
>
> My aim in getting this done is just to be a legal face for our
> efforts with future events (primarily bank accounts). I'm not
> interested in running around with a badge that identifies me as a
> member of the Python India society.
>
> I'll keep the group posted with developments and will seek consensus
> for large decisions which have relevance.

I would suggest an all-india society rather than a Karnataka society as the 
latter may have some restrictions. Trusts and sec25 companies are too 
cumbersome to administer and set up. Further trusts can be hijacked pretty 
easily. The only problem with an all india society is that you need seven 
people from seven different states (as far as I remember) to initially join. I 
recall that indlinux was set up as an all India society. The problem is that 
if an all India society has to be registered in Delhi, it is not worth the 
trouble and a Karnataka one would suffice.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:38:25 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:08:25 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re:  FOSS PyCon)
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
<kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> I think we should look a little deeper than just that. agreed we need to
> register primarily to hold a bank account. but then there are a whole lot of
> nitty gritty details that have to be ironed out. Better to do it right now,
> than think about ways to *fix* bylaws later on.
[..]

You had some experience with this didn't you?

Can you mention some of the nitties (and while you're at it, some of
the gritties as well)? I'd like to be prepared before visiting the
lawyer.

Thanks for the link vid.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:40:19 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:10:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910132337o4f6877bbx61998b7c1177781f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9963e56e0910132234g71b40ca7x3bdd22bb083447dc@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
[..]
> Well, if folks are going to extract financial mileage out of my
> volunteer time, which I gave in good faith for a "community" event,
> I'd like them to be upfront about it enabling me to rethink my
> involvement, et al.
[..]

Financial is a different thing. That's like making you work for me for free. :)

I'm talking about 'brand value'. I for one don't generally like to be
an anonymous contributer. I'd like it to be on record that I helped
out and would like the names of all the people who did to become known
as well.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sree at mahiti.org  Wed Oct 14 08:43:09 2009
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:13:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

2009/10/14 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
> <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> > I think we should look a little deeper than just that. agreed we need to
> > register primarily to hold a bank account. but then there are a whole lot
> of
> > nitty gritty details that have to be ironed out. Better to do it right
> now,
> > than think about ways to *fix* bylaws later on.
> [..]
>
> You had some experience with this didn't you?
>
> Can you mention some of the nitties (and while you're at it, some of
> the gritties as well)? I'd like to be prepared before visiting the
> lawyer.
>
I have the soft copy of the Trust-Deed that we used to register
BangaloreCares trust. It was prepared by a well known law firm. Will be hapy
to mail it to Noufal or anyone else as required.
We choose trust over society as the legal requirements for society are
bigger overhead over trust.
Regards,
- sree
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:44:46 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:14:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
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References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> [..]
> > Well, if folks are going to extract financial mileage out of my
> > volunteer time, which I gave in good faith for a "community" event,
> > I'd like them to be upfront about it enabling me to rethink my
> > involvement, et al.
> [..]
>
> Financial is a different thing. That's like making you work for me for
> free. :)
>
> I'm talking about 'brand value'. I for one don't generally like to be
> an anonymous contributer. I'd like it to be on record that I helped
> out and would like the names of all the people who did to become known
> as well.
>

 I would like to point out that the couple of times you had a chance to talk
 about how the conference was organized, you always laid stress on
 not saying the names of the people who worked behind the scenes, which
 is a contradiction to this stand.

I for one was confused by what I perceived as a dogged stand of not
to mention any names, but then I felt you were being afraid of missing out
names.

Please choose one way of doing it.


>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:46:08 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:16:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
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References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
<sree at mahiti.org> wrote:
[..]
> I have the soft copy of the Trust-Deed that we used to register
> BangaloreCares trust. It was prepared by a well known law firm. Will be hapy
> to mail it to Noufal or anyone else as required.
> We choose trust over society as the legal requirements for society are
> bigger overhead over trust.
[..]

Can you send it to me Srikanth?

One of things that occurs to me is the area of tax exemption. If we
have a society/trust, I'd prefer it to be tax exempt throughout the
country (since for future conferences we'd be looking for sponsors and
stuff outside Karnataka).

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:46:24 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:16:24 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
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Noufal,

Can you perhaps give a ring to Kenneth, before you actually meet. Remember
Kenneth is not just Python guy, he's also a lawyer. We seem to be forgetting
that...



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/14 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
>> <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
>> [..]
>> > I think we should look a little deeper than just that. agreed we need to
>> > register primarily to hold a bank account. but then there are a whole
>> lot of
>> > nitty gritty details that have to be ironed out. Better to do it right
>> now,
>> > than think about ways to *fix* bylaws later on.
>> [..]
>>
>> You had some experience with this didn't you?
>>
>> Can you mention some of the nitties (and while you're at it, some of
>> the gritties as well)? I'd like to be prepared before visiting the
>> lawyer.
>>
> I have the soft copy of the Trust-Deed that we used to register
> BangaloreCares trust. It was prepared by a well known law firm. Will be hapy
> to mail it to Noufal or anyone else as required.
> We choose trust over society as the legal requirements for society are
> bigger overhead over trust.
> Regards,
> - sree
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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>


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From kausikram at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:46:43 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:16:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2597ddb90910132346t179f9916jc5b068f6267995fb@mail.gmail.com>

You had some experience with this didn't you?

>
> Can you mention some of the nitties (and while you're at it, some of
> the gritties as well)? I'd like to be prepared before visiting the
> lawyer.
>

Need a days time to round up all the pros and cons will do it by EOD.
-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
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From gora at sarai.net  Wed Oct 14 08:10:13 2009
From: gora at sarai.net (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:40:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
 the performance and future plan)
Message-ID: <20091014114013.14889327@mail.sarai.net>

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:40:10 +0530
Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> If there are sufficient people who want a pure FOSS PyCon, I
> think you should go for it.
> I myself incline towards FOSS but I wouldn't enforce a FOSS only
> clause at a PyCon that I was involved in organising. Also, if
> this is to be *the* official PyCon India 2010, I wouldn't be in
> support of the idea myself.

Thank you for starting a new thread.

I guess that I did not make myself clear. As far as I am concerned,
it does not matter if the event is labelled Pycon India, or not,
and am glad to leave that decision to people here. Everyone is
welcome regardless of what the event is labelled as. Also, please
understand that there is no intention on our side of hijacking
anything. We have been thinking of having a FOSS Python conference
for a while, but it has never actually materialised. I just
thought that this would be a good forum for contacting Python
enthusiasts, but can also see that it might be off-topic for a list
specifically dedicated to Pycon India.

As people have suggested, what I will do is to talk to others at
Freed.in, and see if there is interest in a Python sub-conference,
and come back here, or on other Python India lists, with a specific
proposal.

> One thing that I can foresee is difficultly in arranging sponsors.
> You'd have to consider other sources of funding.
[...]

Funding has typically not been a problem for us. Our main issue is
finding enough people to run the conference. In fact, we have toned
down fund-raising, just because we could not live up to the
expectations of large sponsors. We would certainly welcome people
interested in helping out.

Regards,
Gora 

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Wed Oct 14 08:46:08 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:16:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910141216.08730.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:13:09 pm Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/14 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
> > <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [..]
> >
> > > I think we should look a little deeper than just that. agreed we need
> > > to register primarily to hold a bank account. but then there are a
> > > whole lot
> >
> > of
> >
> > > nitty gritty details that have to be ironed out. Better to do it right
> >
> > now,
> >
> > > than think about ways to fix bylaws later on.
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > You had some experience with this didn't you?
> >
> > Can you mention some of the nitties (and while you're at it, some of
> > the gritties as well)? I'd like to be prepared before visiting the
> > lawyer.
>
> I have the soft copy of the Trust-Deed that we used to register
> BangaloreCares trust. It was prepared by a well known law firm. Will be
> hapy to mail it to Noufal or anyone else as required.
> We choose trust over society as the legal requirements for society are
> bigger overhead over trust.

trusts are scary - very prone to abuse - only to be set up when you have a dfl 
who wields absolute power.
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:51:33 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:21:33 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910132344u7b2d2ecbv1285bd28a1a1c1df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD55EAB.2070303@gmail.com> <200910141057.55027.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910132234g71b40ca7x3bdd22bb083447dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132300n33a772a0tb7be63ee53249a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910132331y19a26ear62972604bb2d4ce5@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00910132337o4f6877bbx61998b7c1177781f@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910132340h24e80019sda28b2f5a5ce0f02@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132344u7b2d2ecbv1285bd28a1a1c1df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910132351h3b8f32aco264d3d1e00ce249f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?I would like to point out that the couple of times you had a chance to talk
> ?about how the conference was organized, you always laid stress on
> ?not saying the names of the people who worked behind the scenes, which
> ?is a contradiction to this stand.

Oh okay. I didn't see it that way.

I don't want to end up as a shameless self promoter (like what I think
ESR is). At the same time, if someone else just pushes out the hard
work which I and others put into this whole thing, I'd be pretty
pissed too.

> I for one was confused by what I perceived as a dogged stand of not
> to mention any names, but then I felt you were being afraid of missing out
> names.

That was my main concern. Till the day before the conference, the
number of people who actually pitched in were around 8 or 9. I can
mention names and things which they did. On the last few days however,
a lot of people pitched in and without their help, things would not
have gone as smoothly as they did. Because of this, I felt
uncomfortable mentioning names since my involvement with the latter
set of people was only for a short period and I don't even remember
all of them clearly.

> Please choose one way of doing it.

I'll try to be more consistent. :)

[..]


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:53:18 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:23:18 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910132353s250983cp497cbc3429d83923@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/14 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
>> <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
>> [..]
>> > I think we should look a little deeper than just that. agreed we need to
>> > register primarily to hold a bank account. but then there are a whole
>> lot of
>> > nitty gritty details that have to be ironed out. Better to do it right
>> now,
>> > than think about ways to *fix* bylaws later on.
>> [..]
>>
>> You had some experience with this didn't you?
>>
>> Can you mention some of the nitties (and while you're at it, some of
>> the gritties as well)? I'd like to be prepared before visiting the
>> lawyer.
>>
> I have the soft copy of the Trust-Deed that we used to register
> BangaloreCares trust. It was prepared by a well known law firm. Will be hapy
> to mail it to Noufal or anyone else as required.
> We choose trust over society as the legal requirements for society are
> bigger overhead over trust.
>

Trusts are prone to subversion by individuals who like to wield power.
 Anyway, whichever way you go, I request to keep the list informed and
 to call for a meeting before making the decision. That is expected...


> Regards,
> - sree
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>

Thanks,

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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:53:19 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:23:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910132346l12f7ed1as68a953f04ff4d5de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00910132346l12f7ed1as68a953f04ff4d5de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910132353h2e450838xca2edbe6227e0971@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Noufal,
>
> Can you perhaps give a ring to Kenneth, before you actually meet. Remember
> Kenneth is not just Python guy, he's also a lawyer. We seem to be forgetting
> that...[..]

Will do.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:54:43 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:24:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910132353s250983cp497cbc3429d83923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132353s250983cp497cbc3429d83923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910132354s5ed11edbg45e9cd982f54e016@mail.gmail.com>

I shall meet the lawyer on Friday, try to beat out as many issues as
possible and post all the pros and cons back on this list. We'll
discuss it for a few days, finalise (with an F2F if necessary) and
then go ahead and take the plunge.

Is that okay with everyone?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sree at mahiti.org  Wed Oct 14 08:51:24 2009
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:21:24 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132346j16297e53xf43613f21ba6553c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com> 
	<313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910132346j16297e53xf43613f21ba6553c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <313529610910132351t6500da73sbef451131d1ccc50@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/14 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
> <sree at mahiti.org> wrote:
> [..]
> > I have the soft copy of the Trust-Deed that we used to register
> > BangaloreCares trust. It was prepared by a well known law firm. Will be
> hapy
> > to mail it to Noufal or anyone else as required.
> > We choose trust over society as the legal requirements for society are
> > bigger overhead over trust.
> [..]
>
> Can you send it to me Srikanth?
>
> Have sent.


> One of things that occurs to me is the area of tax exemption. If we
> have a society/trust, I'd prefer it to be tax exempt throughout the
> country (since for future conferences we'd be looking for sponsors and
> stuff outside Karnataka).
>

The 80 G exemption is not limited to donations from specific state. They are
issued by Dept of IT a central govt institution and are applicable to
donations from all over the country.
However if you need to get any forign donation then the entity has to apply
for FCRA permission with is a complex process in itself.



>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>



-- 
Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
Executive Director
Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
# 33-34, 2nd Floor,
Hennur Cross, Hennur Road,
Bangalore, India - 560043
Phone:  +91 80 4115 0580/1
Mobile:  +91 98455 12611
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From sree at mahiti.org  Wed Oct 14 09:01:14 2009
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:31:14 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910132353s250983cp497cbc3429d83923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com> 
	<313529610910132343l61a451adl145c4a787c2a56c3@mail.gmail.com> 
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2009/10/14 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>

>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2009/10/14 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
>>> <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [..]
>>> > I think we should look a little deeper than just that. agreed we need
>>> to
>>> > register primarily to hold a bank account. but then there are a whole
>>> lot of
>>> > nitty gritty details that have to be ironed out. Better to do it right
>>> now,
>>> > than think about ways to *fix* bylaws later on.
>>> [..]
>>>
>>> You had some experience with this didn't you?
>>>
>>> Can you mention some of the nitties (and while you're at it, some of
>>> the gritties as well)? I'd like to be prepared before visiting the
>>> lawyer.
>>>
>> I have the soft copy of the Trust-Deed that we used to register
>> BangaloreCares trust. It was prepared by a well known law firm. Will be hapy
>> to mail it to Noufal or anyone else as required.
>> We choose trust over society as the legal requirements for society are
>> bigger overhead over trust.
>>
>
> Trusts are prone to subversion by individuals who like to wield power.
>  Anyway, whichever way you go, I request to keep the list informed and
>  to call for a meeting before making the decision. That is expected...
>

I do not want to promote one over the other, as each has it's own pros/ cons
and needs collective decision. BangaloreCares trust has about 8 trustees and
they were part of the Bangalore 10k marathon as charity partner. They were
successful in facilitating  raising pledges worth 1 crore for different
NGOs.

So if you have good governance either of them will work. There are enough
examples of hijacked non-profit entities.

My advise: Look at and understand the statutory liabilities and time/ effort
required to fullfill all legal / statutory obligations on quarterly/ yearly
basis. If you have the capacity and the resources then go for the more
complex forms.

Trusts are easy to setup. Societies have higher complexity. Section 25 co.
have highest operating overhead of all ( but also most transparent ).


Regards,
- sree

>
>
>>  Regards,
>> - sree
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
Executive Director
Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
# 33-34, 2nd Floor,
Hennur Cross, Hennur Road,
Bangalore, India - 560043
Phone:  +91 80 4115 0580/1
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 08:59:56 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:29:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
Message-ID: <200910141229.56569.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:13:09 pm Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/14 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
> > <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [..]
> >
> > > I think we should look a little deeper than just that. agreed we need
> > > to register primarily to hold a bank account. but then there are a
> > > whole lot
> >
> > of
> >
> > > nitty gritty details that have to be ironed out. Better to do it right
> >
> > now,
> >
> > > than think about ways to fix bylaws later on.
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > You had some experience with this didn't you?
> >
> > Can you mention some of the nitties (and while you're at it, some of
> > the gritties as well)? I'd like to be prepared before visiting the
> > lawyer.
>
> I have the soft copy of the Trust-Deed that we used to register
> BangaloreCares trust. It was prepared by a well known law firm. Will be
> hapy to mail it to Noufal or anyone else as required.
> We choose trust over society as the legal requirements for society are
> bigger overhead over trust.

trusts are scary - very prone to abuse - only to be set up when you have a dfl 
who wields absolute power.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 09:04:32 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:34:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <20091014114013.14889327@mail.sarai.net>
References: <20091014114013.14889327@mail.sarai.net>
Message-ID: <200910141234.32667.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:40:13 am Gora Mohanty wrote:
>  We have been thinking of having a FOSS Python conference
> for a while,

you could test the waters by having a foss python list and see how many takers 
you get. It would be interesting to see how this list is described.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 09:07:51 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:37:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <313529610910140001g6ed634f0k7dbcd0712d8fcfdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132353s250983cp497cbc3429d83923@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529610910140001g6ed634f0k7dbcd0712d8fcfdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910141237.52007.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:31:14 pm Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
> Trusts are easy to setup. Societies have higher complexity. Section 25 co.
> have highest operating overhead of all ( but also most transparent ).

not so - you can do practically anything with a section 25 co. The problem 
with trusts is that one needs trustees - and trustees have too much power. 
Very often absolute power and are very difficult to unseat. Societies have some 
mandated annual elections and a lot of transparency. As long as the bye laws 
are framed carefully, hostile takeovers or people clinging to power are rare.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:11:55 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:41:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Noticed by the PSF
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140011l1876bd0cuc387411d4161be65@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
  Just to let you all know, I got mail from David Mertz regarding our
Conf. and they're happy/excited about the event working out well.

Thanks.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:13:02 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:43:02 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <200910141237.52007.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132353s250983cp497cbc3429d83923@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529610910140001g6ed634f0k7dbcd0712d8fcfdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141237.52007.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140013l28938409m99b7fea17ba186db@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
[..]
> not so - you can do practically anything with a section 25 co. The problem
> with trusts is that one needs trustees - and trustees have too much power.
> Very often absolute power and are very difficult to unseat. Societies have some
> mandated annual elections and a lot of transparency. As long as the bye laws
> are framed carefully, hostile takeovers or people clinging to power are rare.
[..]

This sounds messy. Is there anyway other than to register such an
entity by which we can control/maintain our funds by ourselves?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:13:52 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:43:52 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <200910141237.52007.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132353s250983cp497cbc3429d83923@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529610910140001g6ed634f0k7dbcd0712d8fcfdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141237.52007.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910140013g2d2dbfd3x7cf9f3cebddb2098@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:31:14 pm Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
> > Trusts are easy to setup. Societies have higher complexity. Section 25
> co.
> > have highest operating overhead of all ( but also most transparent ).
>
> not so - you can do practically anything with a section 25 co. The problem
> with trusts is that one needs trustees - and trustees have too much power.
> Very often absolute power and are very difficult to unseat. Societies have
> some
> mandated annual elections and a lot of transparency. As long as the bye
> laws
> are framed carefully, hostile takeovers or people clinging to power are
> rare.
>

 I would prefer a setup where the board members are elected once every
 two years without anyone holding absolute authority. Looks like this is not
 possible with a trust setup.


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:15:27 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:45:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Noticed by the PSF
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140011l1876bd0cuc387411d4161be65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910140011l1876bd0cuc387411d4161be65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910140015s3a317bb4pf37c89fe90545954@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>  Just to let you all know, I got mail from David Mertz regarding our
> Conf. and they're happy/excited about the event working out well.
>

Can you please forward this to the list ?

>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>


Thanks,

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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:16:07 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:46:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Mertz <mertz at gnosis.cx>
Date: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Subject: PyCon India
To: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
Cc: David Mertz <mertz at gnosis.cx>


Hi Noufal,

I saw your writeup on PyCon India, which looks to have been a
wonderful event. ?I wonder if you could let me know who the main
organizers are. ?I take it you are one, but what was the distribution
of work.

... I ask with a slight agenda. ?The PSF Board is thinking of making
some gesture to acknowledge this great success, but are not sure whom
best to praise... or perhaps give a PSF award to.

All the best, David...

---
Keeping medicines from the bloodstreams of the sick; food
from the bellies of the hungry; books from the hands of the
uneducated; technology from the underdeveloped; and putting
advocates of freedom in prisons. ?Intellectual property is
to the 21st century what the slave trade was to the 16th.




-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:16:44 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:46:44 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Noticed by the PSF
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910140015s3a317bb4pf37c89fe90545954@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910140011l1876bd0cuc387411d4161be65@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140015s3a317bb4pf37c89fe90545954@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140016o76e0dbd3xebb465762182fe59@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> ?Just to let you all know, I got mail from David Mertz regarding our
>> Conf. and they're happy/excited about the event working out well.
>
> Can you please forward this to the list ?

Just did.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:20:25 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:50:25 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Mertz <mertz at gnosis.cx>
> Date: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM
> Subject: PyCon India
> To: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> Cc: David Mertz <mertz at gnosis.cx>
>
>
> Hi Noufal,
>
> I saw your writeup on PyCon India, which looks to have been a
> wonderful event.  I wonder if you could let me know who the main
> organizers are.  I take it you are one, but what was the distribution
> of work.
>
> ... I ask with a slight agenda.  The PSF Board is thinking of making
> some gesture to acknowledge this great success, but are not sure whom
> best to praise... or perhaps give a PSF award to.
>

 Great...

The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
 (or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
 particular individual  or individuals. This is not something that
 has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
 *society*.


>
> All the best, David...
>
> ---
> Keeping medicines from the bloodstreams of the sick; food
> from the bellies of the hungry; books from the hands of the
> uneducated; technology from the underdeveloped; and putting
> advocates of freedom in prisons.  Intellectual property is
> to the 21st century what the slave trade was to the 16th.
>
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 09:25:17 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:10:17 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132340h24e80019sda28b2f5a5ce0f02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD55EAB.2070303@gmail.com> <200910141057.55027.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910132234g71b40ca7x3bdd22bb083447dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132300n33a772a0tb7be63ee53249a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910132331y19a26ear62972604bb2d4ce5@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00910132337o4f6877bbx61998b7c1177781f@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910132340h24e80019sda28b2f5a5ce0f02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af00910140025l22d8131dg8846d5efa05f2223@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:25, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> Well, if folks are going to extract financial mileage out of my
>> volunteer time, which I gave in good faith for a "community" event,
>> I'd like them to be upfront about it enabling me to rethink my
>> involvement, et al.
> [..]
>
> Financial is a different thing. That's like making you work for me for free. :)

Unfortunately, floss has come to acquire grey shades of "finance".

> I'm talking about 'brand value'. I for one don't generally like to be
> an anonymous contributer. I'd like it to be on record that I helped

I dont have strong feelings about getting credit as opposed to my
volunteer effort being _knowingly_ misused for personal gain. I'll
explain the "brand value" aspect with my Indian floss experience:
Members of a privately-controlled-foss--event decide to support a
"women in linux group" with website hosting but retain control of the
domain and hosting access for the women's group. While I'd thank them
for the hosting support ; the unethical aspect, IMPO, is the
privately-controlled-foss-event-hosts using the
"I-support-diversity-via-controlling-a-linux-group-for-women" mantra,
which has tremendous brand value (and hence financial returns today),
as a means to elevate their status with sponsors. Totally unethical,
imho. YMMV.

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 09:30:58 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:00:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910141300.58189.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:50:25 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > I saw your writeup on PyCon India, which looks to have been a
> > wonderful event.  I wonder if you could let me know who the main
> > organizers are.  I take it you are one, but what was the distribution
> > of work.
> >
> > ... I ask with a slight agenda.  The PSF Board is thinking of making
> > some gesture to acknowledge this great success, but are not sure whom
> > best to praise... or perhaps give a PSF award to.
>
>  Great...
>
> The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
>  (or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
>  particular individual  or individuals. This is not something that
>  has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
>  *society*.

I thought you were 'working on' the not naming people thingie ;-)

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 09:32:08 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:02:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140013l28938409m99b7fea17ba186db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141237.52007.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910140013l28938409m99b7fea17ba186db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910141302.09012.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:43:02 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote: [..]
>
> > not so - you can do practically anything with a section 25 co. The
> > problem with trusts is that one needs trustees - and trustees have too
> > much power. Very often absolute power and are very difficult to unseat.
> > Societies have some mandated annual elections and a lot of transparency.
> > As long as the bye laws are framed carefully, hostile takeovers or people
> > clinging to power are rare.
>
> [..]
>
> This sounds messy. Is there anyway other than to register such an
> entity by which we can control/maintain our funds by ourselves?

society (no other way)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 09:35:32 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:20:32 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910140013g2d2dbfd3x7cf9f3cebddb2098@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132353s250983cp497cbc3429d83923@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529610910140001g6ed634f0k7dbcd0712d8fcfdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141237.52007.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910140013g2d2dbfd3x7cf9f3cebddb2098@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af00910140035v4481bc17g475c8c5b7b88a209@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:58, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
>> not so - you can do practically anything with a section 25 co. The problem
>> with trusts is that one needs trustees - and trustees have too much power.
>> Very often absolute power and are very difficult to unseat. Societies have
>> some
>> mandated annual elections and a lot of transparency. As long as the bye
>> laws
>> are framed carefully, hostile takeovers or people clinging to power are
>> rare.
>
> ?I would prefer a setup where the board members are elected once every
> ?two years without anyone holding absolute authority. Looks like this is not
> ?possible with a trust setup.

Society and Sec25 are the only two options which can aid in preventing
a takeover by a cabal. However, this depends on how the MoA is framed.
Legalese, is such that there are always loopholes and its almost
impossible to have a water-tight case. The easiest is to reduce the
probability of a problem in future.

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:36:12 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:06:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140036l178b18a5vc23a79d8b0c547a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?Great...
>
> The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
> ?(or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
> ?particular individual? or individuals. This is not something that
> ?has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
> ?*society*.
[..]

What the general opinion on this?

I think it's worth pointing out that the event is over and was
conducted without a society. There were people involved in there who
might longer be interested in the society etc. Those are the people
who actually conducted the first PyCon.

The society is something that we're doing *after* the conference.

This needs to be discussed a little more.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:36:27 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:06:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx> 
	<9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910140036q4fe640f2ve374760f18c3c4f8@mail.gmail.com>

> The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
> ?(or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
> ?particular individual? or individuals. This is not something that
> ?has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
> ?*society*.

Shall we call it "Python India Society" instead of "PyCon India Society"?

Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:37:34 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:07:34 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] FOSS PyCon (was Re: Post Conference analysis about
	the performance and future plan)
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140025l22d8131dg8846d5efa05f2223@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910131210v634ecd64m7ff14f3d4f46b717@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD55EAB.2070303@gmail.com> <200910141057.55027.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910132234g71b40ca7x3bdd22bb083447dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910132300n33a772a0tb7be63ee53249a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910132331y19a26ear62972604bb2d4ce5@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00910132337o4f6877bbx61998b7c1177781f@mail.gmail.com>
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	<12470af00910140025l22d8131dg8846d5efa05f2223@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140037x174a075diacef3ef59561989e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:55 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
[..]
> I dont have strong feelings about getting credit as opposed to my
> volunteer effort being _knowingly_ misused for personal gain. I'll
> explain the "brand value" aspect with my Indian floss experience:
> Members of a privately-controlled-foss--event decide to support a
> "women in linux group" with website hosting but retain control of the
> domain and hosting access for the women's group. While I'd thank them
> for the hosting support ; the unethical aspect, IMPO, is the
> privately-controlled-foss-event-hosts using the
> "I-support-diversity-via-controlling-a-linux-group-for-women" mantra,
> which has tremendous brand value (and hence financial returns today),
> as a means to elevate their status with sponsors. Totally unethical,
[..]

I can see your position.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 09:40:11 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:10:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140036l178b18a5vc23a79d8b0c547a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910140036l178b18a5vc23a79d8b0c547a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910141310.11427.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:06:12 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>
> >  Great...
> >
> > The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
> >  (or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
> >  particular individual  or individuals. This is not something that
> >  has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
> >  *society*.
>
> [..]
>
> What the general opinion on this?

he asked you to tell him who did what for the conference - so tell him, or put 
a list on the wiki and we can check to see if it is complete.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:44:14 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:14:14 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <200910141300.58189.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141300.58189.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910140044t50e2f69dtad1e1220082799d4@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:50:25 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > > I saw your writeup on PyCon India, which looks to have been a
> > > wonderful event.  I wonder if you could let me know who the main
> > > organizers are.  I take it you are one, but what was the distribution
> > > of work.
> > >
> > > ... I ask with a slight agenda.  The PSF Board is thinking of making
> > > some gesture to acknowledge this great success, but are not sure whom
> > > best to praise... or perhaps give a PSF award to.
> >
> >  Great...
> >
> > The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
> >  (or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
> >  particular individual  or individuals. This is not something that
> >  has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
> >  *society*.
>
> I thought you were 'working on' the not naming people thingie ;-)
>

 I was talking in terms of the award he mentions in his email. That should
 go to the society, if it is ever awarded.

 In terms of praise or individual mentions, it is different. Everyone who
 contributed and like to share an international spotlight, should be
invited...

 Anyway, let us not loose the focus in all this credits and praises talk.
 I for one would like to get on with the PyCon discussions for next year
 and actually doing some Python hacking ... !


>
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> Kenneth Gonsalves
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 09:42:11 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:12:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140035v4481bc17g475c8c5b7b88a209@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:05:32 pm vid wrote:
> >  I would prefer a setup where the board members are elected once every
> >  two years without anyone holding absolute authority. Looks like this is
> > not possible with a trust setup.
>
> Society and Sec25 are the only two options which can aid in preventing
> a takeover by a cabal.

most of the older clubs in India are Sec25 and are firmly in the hands of 
assorted cabals who are impossible to dislodge ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:46:33 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:16:33 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140035v4481bc17g475c8c5b7b88a209@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:58, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> > wrote:
> >> not so - you can do practically anything with a section 25 co. The
> problem
> >> with trusts is that one needs trustees - and trustees have too much
> power.
> >> Very often absolute power and are very difficult to unseat. Societies
> have
> >> some
> >> mandated annual elections and a lot of transparency. As long as the bye
> >> laws
> >> are framed carefully, hostile takeovers or people clinging to power are
> >> rare.
> >
> >  I would prefer a setup where the board members are elected once every
> >  two years without anyone holding absolute authority. Looks like this is
> not
> >  possible with a trust setup.
>
> Society and Sec25 are the only two options which can aid in preventing
> a takeover by a cabal. However, this depends on how the MoA is framed.
> Legalese, is such that there are always loopholes and its almost
> impossible to have a water-tight case. The easiest is to reduce the
> probability of a problem in future.
>

 I suggest forming a group with people who are knowledgeable plus
 people who are the doers - namely  Kenneth, vid,  Srikanth, Ramdas,
 and Noufal/Kunal respectively, to get this done.

 This is not something to be done in a hurry, i.e not to be "get over with".


>
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From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:48:47 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:18:47 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> ?Great...
>>
>> The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
>> ?(or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
>> ?particular individual? or individuals. This is not something that
>> ?has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
>> ?*society*.
> [..]
>
> What the general opinion on this?
>
> I think it's worth pointing out that the event is over and was
> conducted without a society. There were people involved in there who
> might longer be interested in the society etc. Those are the people
> who actually conducted the first PyCon.

If any award, I guess BangPypers as a python user group should get it.


-- 
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:53:11 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:23:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140036l178b18a5vc23a79d8b0c547a3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> What the general opinion on this?
>
> I think it's worth pointing out that the event is over and was
> conducted without a society. There were people involved in there who
> might longer be interested in the society etc. Those are the people
> who actually conducted the first PyCon.
>
> The society is something that we're doing *after* the conference.
>
I wasn't involved, so my opinion is not worth much, but I agree with
this.  Credit should go where credit is due.  The society (if it
happens) didn't organize the conference, a bunch of people did.  How
do you partition credit of course, is a hard problem for the people
involved to figure out. :)

Roshan Mathews

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:57:16 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:27:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910140036q4fe640f2ve374760f18c3c4f8@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> Shall we call it "Python India Society" instead of "PyCon India Society"?
[..]

Of course. I think that's what Anand Pillai meant as well.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:03:40 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:33:40 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> > The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
> >  (or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
> >  particular individual  or individuals. This is not something that
> >  has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
> >  *society*.
>
> Shall we call it "Python India Society" instead of "PyCon India Society"?
>


I for one prefer short names as opposed to say
"Python India Software Foundation". I will perhaps choke on saying
 that...



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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:04:57 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:34:57 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
[..]
> he asked you to tell him who did what for the conference - so tell him, or put
> a list on the wiki and we can check to see if it is complete.
[..]

Well, I'll come clean with my opinions who pitched in the most (myself
excluded). This is going to be a can of worms but if I were to
recommend people, this would be my list.

Anand Chitipothu
kunalkant sen
Senthil Kumaran
Santhosh Divakar
Ravi Shankar-Uma Iyer
Kenneth Gonsalves
Ponnusamy
kausikram krishnasayee


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:08:51 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:38:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > What the general opinion on this?
> >
> > I think it's worth pointing out that the event is over and was
> > conducted without a society. There were people involved in there who
> > might longer be interested in the society etc. Those are the people
> > who actually conducted the first PyCon.
> >
> > The society is something that we're doing *after* the conference.
> >
> I wasn't involved, so my opinion is not worth much, but I agree with
> this.  Credit should go where credit is due.  The society (if it
> happens) didn't organize the conference, a bunch of people did.  How
> do you partition credit of course, is a hard problem for the people
> involved to figure out. :)
>

 The problem is, I think awards are given to entities, legal or
 physical, and BangPypers is a user group with no such status. Hence
 I mentioned the society.


>
> Roshan Mathews
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From kausikram at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:09:31 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:39:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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>
> If any award, I guess BangPypers as a python user group should get it.


-1 there is a considerable amount of people from outside bangalore who
contributed.


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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 10:07:27 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:37:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:06:27 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> > The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
> >  (or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
> >  particular individual  or individuals. This is not something that
> >  has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
> >  *society*.
>
> Shall we call it "Python India Society" instead of "PyCon India Society"?

no - we are involved in Pycon - not in python
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:12:29 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:42:29 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> [..]
> > he asked you to tell him who did what for the conference - so tell him,
> or put
> > a list on the wiki and we can check to see if it is complete.
> [..]
>
> Well, I'll come clean with my opinions who pitched in the most (myself
> excluded). This is going to be a can of worms but if I were to
> recommend people, this would be my list.
>
> Anand Chitipothu
> kunalkant sen
> Senthil Kumaran
> Santhosh Divakar
> Ravi Shankar-Uma Iyer
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Ponnusamy
> kausikram krishnasayee
>

 What about the girl from ZeOmega who helped during the registrations ?
 Sorry, I forgot her name. She was also present in the week-end meeting.


>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:18:04 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:48:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910140112k71e48f9avcff0f0cc2b69d5f1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?What about the girl from ZeOmega who helped during the registrations ?
> ?Sorry, I forgot her name. She was also present in the week-end meeting.
[..]

I was laying more emphasis on the people who were involved in the
organisation since the idea first came up here rather than all the
folks who pitched in during the 2 days of the conference (and the day
before).

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:55:46 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:25:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:06:27 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
>> > The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
>> > ?(or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
>> > ?particular individual ?or individuals. This is not something that
>> > ?has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
>> > ?*society*.
>>
>> Shall we call it "Python India Society" instead of "PyCon India Society"?
>
> no - we are involved in Pycon - not in python

I'm suggesting that we should name the society as "Python India
Society" instead of "PyCon India Society". The bigger goal of the
society will be to promote Python in India and not just organizing
PyCon conferences.

Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:59:16 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:29:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
<kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If any award, I guess BangPypers as a python user group should get it.
>
> -1 there is a considerable amount of people from outside bangalore who
> contributed.

I think most of them are part of BangPypers usergroup. Even though
BangPypers is "Bangalore Python User Group", it has many active
members who are non living in Bangalore.

Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 11:05:51 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:35:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910140155o7a9f725dpd69b2e36d985c795@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 2:25:46 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> >> Shall we call it "Python India Society" instead of "PyCon India
> >> Society"?
> >
> > no - we are involved in Pycon - not in python
>
> I'm suggesting that we should name the society as "Python India
> Society" instead of "PyCon India Society". The bigger goal of the
> society will be to promote Python in India and not just organizing
> PyCon conferences.

yes, and I feel that we stick to organising the annual pycon conference - for 
something larger than this we need to interact with python.org and not with 
pycon.org
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 11:15:43 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:45:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910140159r64041db8t306379cd47473c03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910140036l178b18a5vc23a79d8b0c547a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20910140048m76c96b35jdb136215f569e0fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<2597ddb90910140109n306ed068ifd00f84a0189251e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8548c5f30910140215y7bb52bf5s32321a78cca78927@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM, kausikram krishnasayee
> <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> If any award, I guess BangPypers as a python user group should get it.
> >
> > -1 there is a considerable amount of people from outside bangalore who
> > contributed.
>

 Agree with Anand C. When we say BangPypers, it means whoever is part of the
 mailing list, not those who are in Bangalore.


>
> I think most of them are part of BangPypers usergroup. Even though
> BangPypers is "Bangalore Python User Group", it has many active
> members who are non living in Bangalore.
>
> Anand
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From kausikram at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 11:54:48 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:24:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910140215y7bb52bf5s32321a78cca78927@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9963e56e0910140036l178b18a5vc23a79d8b0c547a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20910140048m76c96b35jdb136215f569e0fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<2597ddb90910140109n306ed068ifd00f84a0189251e@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>  Agree with Anand C. When we say BangPypers, it means whoever is part of
> the
>  mailing list, not those who are in Bangalore.
>
point taken. rephrasing.
Not all people who contributed belong to BangPypers. similarly not all
BangPypers contributed to the show.

gosh it cant get more confusing than that. :|
-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 11:59:23 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:29:23 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
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References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx> 
	<9963e56e0910140016g19eb7010qa96cff8ee7424b9b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910140036l178b18a5vc23a79d8b0c547a3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<def7ddf20910140048m76c96b35jdb136215f569e0fa@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2597ddb90910140109n306ed068ifd00f84a0189251e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910140159r64041db8t306379cd47473c03@mail.gmail.com> 
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> Not all people who contributed belong to BangPypers. similarly not all
> BangPypers contributed to the show.
> gosh it cant get more confusing than that. :|

That reminds me of a quote by Einstein.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that
counts can be counted."

Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:13:06 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:43:06 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <200910141435.51638.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<200910141337.27938.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910140155o7a9f725dpd69b2e36d985c795@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141435.51638.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140313r2fb56f79r10fc2c1203f08a30@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 2:25:46 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
>> >> Shall we call it "Python India Society" instead of "PyCon India
>> >> Society"?
>> >
>> > no - we are involved in Pycon - not in python
>>
>> I'm suggesting that we should name the society as "Python India
>> Society" instead of "PyCon India Society". The bigger goal of the
>> society will be to promote Python in India and not just organizing
>> PyCon conferences.
>
> yes, and I feel that we stick to organising the annual pycon conference - for
> something larger than this we need to interact with python.org and not with
> pycon.org

Not a problem. If we register a society as Python India and stick to
just doing conferences, it's fine. If we register PyCon India and then
decide to do something else, we'll have some trouble. PyCon is a
subset of Python so I think we should register it as "Python India"


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 12:18:01 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:48:01 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140313r2fb56f79r10fc2c1203f08a30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<200910141435.51638.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910140313r2fb56f79r10fc2c1203f08a30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910141548.01846.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:43:06 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > yes, and I feel that we stick to organising the annual pycon conference -
> > for something larger than this we need to interact with python.org and
> > not with pycon.org
>
> Not a problem. If we register a society as Python India and stick to
> just doing conferences, it's fine. If we register PyCon India and then
> decide to do something else, we'll have some trouble. PyCon is a
> subset of Python so I think we should register it as "Python India"

I have a feeling that this is something broader and we would have to get 
permission from PSF - quite possibly there are members from India in PSF. We 
already have permission to use the pycon domain and brand, so there is no 
obstacle to naming it pycon India. It is also possible that some big people in 
the python world from India are not in the loop here - this might cause some 
embarassment later. Anyway, it is a good thing to keep PSF in the loop 
regardless of what name we are going to use.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:23:11 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:53:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Statement of expenses
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
   Here is the spreadsheet that records our expenses as part of the conf.

   http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlX-Cs1D0L30dDdjUUJnUEg2eHBRMFhoa1lxc2RNVlE&hl=en

   A big thanks to our treasurers for doing a swell job keeping these
things in order.

Thanks.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:23:54 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:53:54 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <200910141548.01846.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<200910141435.51638.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910140313r2fb56f79r10fc2c1203f08a30@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141548.01846.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140323h1b22e8b9k57ddacd399bb3431@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:43:06 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> > yes, and I feel that we stick to organising the annual pycon conference -
>> > for something larger than this we need to interact with python.org and
>> > not with pycon.org
>>
>> Not a problem. If we register a society as Python India and stick to
>> just doing conferences, it's fine. If we register PyCon India and then
>> decide to do something else, we'll have some trouble. PyCon is a
>> subset of Python so I think we should register it as "Python India"
>
> I have a feeling that this is something broader and we would have to get
> permission from PSF - quite possibly there are members from India in PSF. We
> already have permission to use the pycon domain and brand, so there is no
> obstacle to naming it pycon India. It is also possible that some big people in
> the python world from India are not in the loop here - this might cause some
> embarassment later. Anyway, it is a good thing to keep PSF in the loop
> regardless of what name we are going to use.

I'll send them an email or two talking about it. Best to be safe
rather than sorry. :)

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:26:02 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:56:02 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910140155o7a9f725dpd69b2e36d985c795@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910140036q4fe640f2ve374760f18c3c4f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141337.27938.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910140155o7a9f725dpd69b2e36d985c795@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910140326h16c4fe33p10adef690d8f55c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:06:27 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> >> > The correct way to do this is to award it to the PyCon India Society
> >> >  (or Foundation or Trust, anything) once it is ready, not to any
> >> >  particular individual  or individuals. This is not something that
> >> >  has to be done right now and they can wait till we set up the
> >> >  *society*.
> >>
> >> Shall we call it "Python India Society" instead of "PyCon India
> Society"?
> >
> > no - we are involved in Pycon - not in python
>
> I'm suggesting that we should name the society as "Python India
> Society" instead of "PyCon India Society". The bigger goal of the
> society will be to promote Python in India and not just organizing
> PyCon conferences.
>
> +1

> Anand
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
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>



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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 12:30:11 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:00:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Statement of expenses
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910141600.11981.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:53:11 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>    Here is the spreadsheet that records our expenses as part of the conf.
>
>  
>  http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlX-Cs1D0L30dDdjUUJnUEg2eHBRMFhoa1
>lxc2RNVlE&hl=en
>
>    A big thanks to our treasurers for doing a swell job keeping these
> things in order.

vow - 50L INR profit!
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:42:46 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:12:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Statement of expenses
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910140342o662cbb8s790466c439e52fd7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>   Here is the spreadsheet that records our expenses as part of the conf.
>
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlX-Cs1D0L30dDdjUUJnUEg2eHBRMFhoa1lxc2RNVlE&hl=en
>
>   A big thanks to our treasurers for doing a swell job keeping these
> things in order.
>

 It got a bit too swollen that rupees became dollars.

 Anyway it is good to see this - at least those nameless enthusiasts who
 donated from their pockets to the conference, and find no mention either in

 the site or in the vote of thanks have a name now.


>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
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>



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From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:45:41 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:15:41 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Statement of expenses
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910140342o662cbb8s790466c439e52fd7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Anyway it is good to see this - at least those nameless enthusiasts who
> ?donated from their pockets to the conference, and find no mention either in
> ?the site or in the vote of thanks have a name now.
>
:D

Roshan Mathews

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:52:31 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:22:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] The Talks reference materials and presentations
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910140352x4282a81i7f70696f60ffc590@mail.gmail.com>

I was browsing through some of the talks looking for presentation and
reference materials on the web site.

I see that for many talks, the files have not been uploaded upgrades.

Also I want to see details of some of the impromptu talks given as a part of
lightning talks. Some were quite interesting and these don't have a presence
on the site

Can all the speakers, upload the content or at least provide links related
to the talks either on site or on the group.

I am sure this'll help many....



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From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 13:55:01 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:25:01 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Statement of expenses
In-Reply-To: <200910141600.11981.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141600.11981.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> vow - 50L INR profit!
Haha , Tim Oreilly would love to get involved with inpycon in this case.



> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
-- 
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From anushshetty at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 14:00:51 2009
From: anushshetty at gmail.com (Anush Shetty)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:30:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Statement of expenses
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20910140455l6cd3baf4y9791d93cce02dde7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
>> vow - 50L INR profit!
>

I don't know how much I can comment here since I was not all involved
in PyCon India. If it is a profit, wouldn't it make sense to have a
Society registered with it.

2 years back, we had discussed about putting in personal money to
start a society. But now that wouldn't be required :)

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 14:02:41 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:47:41 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Statement of expenses
In-Reply-To: <200910141600.11981.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141600.11981.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <12470af00910140502oe545230q96217edded8f8d67@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:15, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:53:11 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>>
>> ?http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlX-Cs1D0L30dDdjUUJnUEg2eHBRMFhoa1
>>lxc2RNVlE&hl=en
>>
>
> vow - 50L INR profit!

... really?!
:)
-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 14:03:22 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:48:22 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <200910141312.11623.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140013g2d2dbfd3x7cf9f3cebddb2098@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00910140035v4481bc17g475c8c5b7b88a209@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141312.11623.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <12470af00910140503u7cd9e5c1n3f354781b0421a93@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 13:27, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> most of the older clubs in India are Sec25 and are firmly in the hands of
> assorted cabals who are impossible to dislodge ;-)

*cough* you would know better :)

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 14:04:50 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:34:50 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Statement of expenses
In-Reply-To: <601c1ad00910140500p7bf86606p40800d8fa82c2370@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910140323l4f8b2d9fq6455f39cd930e627@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141600.11981.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<def7ddf20910140455l6cd3baf4y9791d93cce02dde7@mail.gmail.com>
	<601c1ad00910140500p7bf86606p40800d8fa82c2370@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140504n6406486ap818ba09e51abfd0c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Anush Shetty <anushshetty at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> vow - 50L INR profit!
>>
>
> I don't know how much I can comment here since I was not all involved
> in PyCon India. If it is a profit, wouldn't it make sense to have a
> Society registered with it.[..]

Urm... check the list archives? :)


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 14:25:31 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:10:31 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or 'Python-India'?
Message-ID: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello PSF members,

As you may be aware, Pycon India recently concluded and we were
discussing[0] details about registering a Pycon-India
society/association/organisation -mainly for Tax purposes.

[0] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon

Registration will enable the volunteers to approach sponsors directly
as opposed to the current situation of routing it through another NPO.
During the discussions on the list, the following suggestions arose :

0. Register an organisation solely for conferences : Pycon-India.
1. Register it as an organisation, 'Python-India', that will take on
the umbrella activity of spreading Python in India.

The legalese for both would differ in the Memorandum of Article (MoA)
and it was suggested that the PSF be contacted for their take on this.
 Please share your views on the above.

Note : This mail is CC'd to the Inpycon list so please feel free to
mail your replies to the list "inpycon at python.org"

Thanks,
-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 14:26:55 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:11:55 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140323h1b22e8b9k57ddacd399bb3431@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<200910141435.51638.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910140313r2fb56f79r10fc2c1203f08a30@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141548.01846.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910140323h1b22e8b9k57ddacd399bb3431@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af00910140526m93b95f7lc9f053b2acb2defc@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:08, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll send them an email or two talking about it. Best to be safe
> rather than sorry. :)

I just mailed the PSF list and CC'd this list. Sorry, didnt mean to
step on any toes :)

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 14:29:32 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:59:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140526m93b95f7lc9f053b2acb2defc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<200910141435.51638.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910140313r2fb56f79r10fc2c1203f08a30@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141548.01846.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910140323h1b22e8b9k57ddacd399bb3431@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00910140526m93b95f7lc9f053b2acb2defc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910140529u482fd43aq832694dfb1ad92ef@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:08, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'll send them an email or two talking about it. Best to be safe
>> rather than sorry. :)
>
> I just mailed the PSF list and CC'd this list. Sorry, didnt mean to
> step on any toes :)

My toes are fine. Thanks for the email.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 15:33:05 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:18:05 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: [PyCon-Organizers] PyCon 2010 Theme Part II - It's
	about the community
In-Reply-To: <4AD4A4C1.6030104@gmail.com>
References: <4AD4A4C1.6030104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af00910140633k53f0843fl1367f31927db887c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Since we were discussing pycon-india's future, here is an interesting
mail (forwarded with permission) on the focus for US-Pycon, whose
theme is "connecting the python community". I liked it and wanted to
share it for more thoughts.
-vid

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Trevor Toenjes <ttoenjes at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 21:48
Subject: [PyCon-Organizers] PyCon 2010 Theme Part II - It's about the community
To: "pycon-organizers at python.org" <pycon-organizers at python.org>


good morning - I was thinking about the theme again after reading all
the great slogans about Python.
And I started questioning the whole approach. ?It seems most of the
ideas are focused on Python - including my culinary analogy.

But now I wonder if that approach is slightly misaligned - because
PyCon is about "connecting the community." ?Should we really be
promoting Python? ?I suspect not, because everyone who attends PyCon
already knows Python and has their own reasons for using it. ?We don't
really need to tell PyCon attendees and potential attendees about
Python's attributes - do we? ?We can take those ideas to python.org
for an annual theme if we want to use them.

What I suspect we really need for PyCon is a theme that promotes an
idea why PyCon is so *awesome* to attend as a Python
user/developer/community member. ?We need to focus on the
collaboration, the community, the personal touches and relationships,
etc. ?An effective theme can be terse, non-technical, and address
PyCon as the experience and the feeling for an individual or community
and how it all relates. ?(PyCon *is* the real world, social networking
experience - not just the virtual, technology kind)

I deserve flames if you think this is too 'conceptual' and too much
fluff ?or touchy-feely and what people really want are explicit Python
fan-boy phrases.

that said, I havent given much thought to an actual theme yet along
these lines. so here is my first attempt to focus on the community and
personal aspects of PyCon, and still trying to be whimsical or
tongue-in-cheek so it has a little personality.
----------/Forwarded message ----------

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 15:58:41 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:43:41 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon India
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140118h56f5926mf817ae20aca9052d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FAAF2EE-379C-4324-8464-FAA1F1723AC2@gnosis.cx>
	<8548c5f30910140020i4c98287cj43c1ea35987e217d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910140036l178b18a5vc23a79d8b0c547a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141310.11427.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910140104k5087e968kcead8e5b196d040@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140112k71e48f9avcff0f0cc2b69d5f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910140118h56f5926mf817ae20aca9052d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af00910140658x7b5abca2me9575661f588a3a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 14:03, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> ?What about the girl from ZeOmega who helped during the registrations ?
>> ?Sorry, I forgot her name. She was also present in the week-end meeting.
> [..]
>
> I was laying more emphasis on the people who were involved in the
> organisation since the idea first came up here rather than all the
> folks who pitched in during the 2 days of the conference (and the day
> before).

IMHO, I think its nicer to give credit where its due, irrespective of
whether folks helped when the idea was mooted or helped during the
event. The point is, they helped and we should ack that -- maybe on a
wiki page or elsewhere (via the conference app??).

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From paul at prescod.net  Wed Oct 14 16:02:33 2009
From: paul at prescod.net (Paul Prescod)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:02:33 -0700
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>

What negative consequences are you concerned about, in the case where you
take on the broader mandate?

 Paul Prescod
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From vid at svaksha.com  Wed Oct 14 16:28:03 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:13:03 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af00910140728h5e31a67fl6f27dd4973e9e6cc@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 19:47, Paul Prescod <paul at prescod.net> wrote:
> What negative consequences are you concerned about, in the case where you
> take on the broader mandate?

As yet, we have not discussed the negative consequences in detail,
rather a thought that we need the PSF's blessings[0] as its the parent
legal entity.

[0] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2009-October/001242.html

In my limited knowledge, registering it as Python-India would allow
the NPO to undertake more Pythonic activities (the exact nature of
activities needs to be discussed) listed in the MoA. OTOH, registering
it as Pycon-India will restrict the organisation to events/conferences
only.  This is a very simplistic outline as there may be other
legalese nuances which we will know after Kunal and Noufal meet up
with the lawyer on Friday.  We hope to get more details over the
weekend.

On those lines, it would be nice to know how the PSF views local
chapters, rules (if any), etc...  Any other advice/comments !

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 16:48:39 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:18:39 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Paul Prescod <paul at prescod.net> wrote:
> What negative consequences are you concerned about, in the case where you
> take on the broader mandate?[..]

The default consensus here AFAIK is to register it as "Python India"
but we were thinking if this has any legal ramifications vis a. vis
the PSF.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Oct 14 17:02:56 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:02:56 -0700
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India'
	or	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140748u2876453ai7543ed7caa47428@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910140748u2876453ai7543ed7caa47428@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091014150256.GA20391@panix.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Paul Prescod <paul at prescod.net> wrote:
>>
>> What negative consequences are you concerned about, in the case where you
>> take on the broader mandate?[..]
> 
> The default consensus here AFAIK is to register it as "Python India"
> but we were thinking if this has any legal ramifications vis a. vis
> the PSF.

Count me as someone +1 for "Python India".
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"To me vi is Zen.  To use vi is to practice zen.  Every command is a
koan.  Profound to the user, unintelligible to the uninitiated.  You
discover truth everytime you use it."  --reddy at lion.austin.ibm.com

From paul at prescod.net  Wed Oct 14 17:01:59 2009
From: paul at prescod.net (Paul Prescod)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910140748u2876453ai7543ed7caa47428@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910140748u2876453ai7543ed7caa47428@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1cb725390910140801if8e3c56g5e1fa6b3b658e419@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Paul Prescod <paul at prescod.net> wrote:
>> What negative consequences are you concerned about, in the case where you
>> take on the broader mandate?[..]
>
> The default consensus here AFAIK is to register it as "Python India"
> but we were thinking if this has any legal ramifications vis a. vis
> the PSF.

My (layman's) opinion is that the only sense in which the PSF can
"conflict" with your plan is by denying you use of the trademark. But
that's unlikely. I think that we should certainly support you either
way you choose. I don't speak for the PSF, but that's my opinion.

If you choose the broader mandate, you might want to adopt the PSF's
mandate statement:

http://www.python.org/psf/

 Paul Prescod

From ttoenjes at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 17:49:16 2009
From: ttoenjes at gmail.com (Trevor Toenjes)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:49:16 -0400
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD5F2FC.4040200@gmail.com>

Hi vid,
There is PSF discussions about supporting the creation of a "Python 
Software Foundation" extension in each country to allow for in-country 
Pythoners to deal with non-profit tax and financial issues.  However, 
the specifics of the naming hasnt been discussed, AFIK.  But for 
simplicity, it seems using "Python Software Foundation India ..." would 
be appropriate.  And the current PSF members residing in India should be 
part of it.

The PSF is the legal entity in the US, and PyCon is one of the many 
activities.  If the pythoners in India want to do more than just the 
conference, then I think the "Python Software Foundation" would be a 
welcome way to go to start unifying everyone's efforts.  
Furthermore, if you approach it as the India affiliate of the PSF, then 
I think you can accomplish more, long-term to promote Python in India.  
It should also facilitate the sharing of funds and efforts across 
financial borders and help with the overall PSF mission to support the 
Python community worldwide.

I would feel more comfortable if the PSF board offered resources and 
guidance on this issue.
But my vote would be to get into serious discussions with the PSF board 
on how to setup an affiliate organization.

-Trevor







vid wrote:
> Hello PSF members,
>
> As you may be aware, Pycon India recently concluded and we were
> discussing[0] details about registering a Pycon-India
> society/association/organisation -mainly for Tax purposes.
>
> [0] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
> Registration will enable the volunteers to approach sponsors directly
> as opposed to the current situation of routing it through another NPO.
> During the discussions on the list, the following suggestions arose :
>
> 0. Register an organisation solely for conferences : Pycon-India.
> 1. Register it as an organisation, 'Python-India', that will take on
> the umbrella activity of spreading Python in India.
>
> The legalese for both would differ in the Memorandum of Article (MoA)
> and it was suggested that the PSF be contacted for their take on this.
>  Please share your views on the above.
>
> Note : This mail is CC'd to the Inpycon list so please feel free to
> mail your replies to the list "inpycon at python.org"
>
> Thanks,
>   


From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 18:13:19 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:43:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <4AD5F2FC.4040200@gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD5F2FC.4040200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910140913y2d6180a8na8d1d413e1709cbf@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Trevor Toenjes <ttoenjes at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi vid,
> There is PSF discussions about supporting the creation of a "Python
> Software Foundation" extension in each country to allow for in-country
> Pythoners to deal with non-profit tax and financial issues.  However, the
> specifics of the naming hasnt been discussed, AFIK.  But for simplicity, it
> seems using "Python Software Foundation India ..." would be appropriate.
>  And the current PSF members residing in India should be part of it.
>
> The PSF is the legal entity in the US, and PyCon is one of the many
> activities.  If the pythoners in India want to do more than just the
> conference, then I think the "Python Software Foundation" would be a welcome
> way to go to start unifying everyone's efforts.  Furthermore, if you
> approach it as the India affiliate of the PSF, then I think you can
> accomplish more, long-term to promote Python in India.  It should also
> facilitate the sharing of funds and efforts across financial borders and
> help with the overall PSF mission to support the Python community worldwide.
>
> I would feel more comfortable if the PSF board offered resources and
> guidance on this issue.
> But my vote would be to get into serious discussions with the PSF board on
> how to setup an affiliate organization.
>
> -Trevor
>
Hey this sound interesting. We were discussing the possibility of PSFI at
Thoughtworks on Sunday, and all of a sudden this looks possible

>
>
>
>
>
> vid wrote:
>
>> Hello PSF members,
>>
>> As you may be aware, Pycon India recently concluded and we were
>> discussing[0] details about registering a Pycon-India
>> society/association/organisation -mainly for Tax purposes.
>>
>> [0] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>> Registration will enable the volunteers to approach sponsors directly
>> as opposed to the current situation of routing it through another NPO.
>> During the discussions on the list, the following suggestions arose :
>>
>> 0. Register an organisation solely for conferences : Pycon-India.
>> 1. Register it as an organisation, 'Python-India', that will take on
>> the umbrella activity of spreading Python in India.
>>
>> The legalese for both would differ in the Memorandum of Article (MoA)
>> and it was suggested that the PSF be contacted for their take on this.
>>  Please share your views on the above.
>>
>> Note : This mail is CC'd to the Inpycon list so please feel free to
>> mail your replies to the list "inpycon at python.org"
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



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From sdeibel at python.org  Wed Oct 14 18:27:01 2009
From: sdeibel at python.org (Stephan Deibel (PSF))
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:27:01 -0400
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <4AD5F2FC.4040200@gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD5F2FC.4040200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD5FBD5.3000709@python.org>

Trevor Toenjes wrote:
> The PSF is the legal entity in the US, and PyCon is one of the many 
> activities.

Of possible relevance for the folks in India:  Note that the PSF in
the US holds the intellectual property rights behind Python and since
our recent significant losses from last year's PyCon there's been some
talk of splitting off an organization that runs PyCon or coming up
with some other mechanism for protecting the PSF from being bankrupted
by a failed PyCon.

I've no idea how this will play out, but it could change how things
are arranged on our end.

That said, I for one don't think the PSF should be telling other
organizations what to name themselves as naming will to some extent
be impacted by what sounds good in the native language.  Also, using
the word "Python" to describe your use/promotion/etc of Python is
protected by nominative use rules for trademarks.  Details are at:

http://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/

There is a potential issue if you want to be blessed as "the official
PSF-affiliated" organization in India (or something like that) or if
you plan to use "Python Software Foundation" in the name.  We probably
do want to come up with ways to have sister organizations around the
world, but this also hasn't been done yet and the details of how it
will be done are unclear.  I'd say forge ahead and keep in touch so
that there can be communication about this in the future.

Also related:  There's been much discussion of "diversity" in the PSF.
I suspect there's a lot of activity in India that we're just not in
touch with, and that there may be people that should eventually become
PSF members.  Somehow we should try to keep that in mind collectively
and figure out how to get appropriate people into the nomination process.

-- 

Stephan Deibel
Member
Python Software Foundation

http://python.org/psf


From lac at openend.se  Wed Oct 14 18:26:37 2009
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:26:37 +0200
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: Message from Trevor Toenjes <ttoenjes@gmail.com> 
	of "Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:49:16 EDT." <4AD5F2FC.4040200@gmail.com> 
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD5F2FC.4040200@gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200910141626.n9EGQb0m006365@theraft.openend.se>

One problem is that there are currently no PSF members in India, though
if Prabhu Ramachandran would get slightly less busy and have time to
send me a list of his Python related achievements, I would get back
to nominating him. 

Laura

From chairman at python.org  Wed Oct 14 18:49:51 2009
From: chairman at python.org (Steve Holden, Chairman, PSF)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:49:51 -0400
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD6012F.9080509@python.org>

Hi, Vid:

vid wrote:
> Hello PSF members,
> 
> As you may be aware, Pycon India recently concluded and we were
> discussing[0] details about registering a Pycon-India
> society/association/organisation -mainly for Tax purposes.
> 
> [0] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> 
Congratulations on your successful conference! reading Noufal's
conference blog took me back to PyCon 2003, the first such event over
here (where we had only 250 delegates).

> Registration will enable the volunteers to approach sponsors directly
> as opposed to the current situation of routing it through another NPO.
> During the discussions on the list, the following suggestions arose :
> 
> 0. Register an organisation solely for conferences : Pycon-India.
> 1. Register it as an organisation, 'Python-India', that will take on
> the umbrella activity of spreading Python in India.
> 
> The legalese for both would differ in the Memorandum of Article (MoA)
> and it was suggested that the PSF be contacted for their take on this.
>  Please share your views on the above.
> 
> Note : This mail is CC'd to the Inpycon list so please feel free to
> mail your replies to the list "inpycon at python.org"
> 
> Thanks,

You are probably aware that the Python Software Foundation has charity
non-profit (501(c)(3)) status in the USA. When it was formed conferences
weren't really something the directors had thought about, but they
agreed to underwrite PyCon. Fortunately that first conference made a
profit, and so there was no need to call on PSF funds.

Thus an informal arrangement grew up between the PSF and PyCon, and all
finances have been run through the PSF. This year, however, the
conference made a loss of more than $200,000. While our reserves were,
thankfully, sufficient to withstand this loss it has highlighted the
wisdom of separating the conference organization from the Foundation's
other activities.

In our case, of course, the Foundation also has the primary duty of
protecting and curating the intellectual property vested in the Python
language. Since Python India would not be encumbered in this way such
considerations may not be as important to you. The main thing is to have
a financial umbrella that can be used as the focus of event
organization, and hopefully can remove liability from the individuals
who actually arrange things.

I have considered trying to separate PyCon from the PSF on a formal
basis, but the advice I have had is that non-profits in the USA are best
advised not to start subsidiary (commercial) corporations without very
good reason. We (the PSF) are already contractually committed to funding
PyCon through 2012, so any changes we may decide to make in that
direction will be relatively long term. I see it mostly as a matter of
isolating the Foundation from financial risk, thereby avoiding putting
the intellectual property in jeopardy.

Trevor Toenjes raised the issue of a potential "chapter" relationship
between Python India and the PSF. This is something I have promoted in
several public talks, but which as yet has no formal backing from the
Board. I have not yet done sufficient research to know whether there are
any legal impediments to forming such relationships. There are other
organizations such a the EuroPython Society and the PyCon UK Society
which are also incorporated as non-profits in their appropriate
jurisdictions, and with whom we might similarly consider such a
relationship.

One thing I am fairly confident about, though, is that it won't depend
on the chapter organization having a particular name. I don't therefore
think you need to consider using the name "Python Software Foundation"
for India, any more than I would think it necessary to ask the
EuroPython Society to change its name were they to incorporate as a PSF
chapter. "Python India" or "PyCon India" would both be fine by me, and I
wish you luck with your incorporation.

Fraternally yours
Steve
-- 
Steve Holden        Chairman, Python Software Foundation
Visit Us At                       http://python.org/psf/
Watch PyCon on video now!          http://pycon.blip.tv/

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Oct 14 18:52:40 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:52:40 -0700
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India'
	or	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <4AD5FBD5.3000709@python.org>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD5F2FC.4040200@gmail.com> <4AD5FBD5.3000709@python.org>
Message-ID: <20091014165240.GA6314@panix.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009, Stephan Deibel (PSF) wrote:
>
> Also related:  There's been much discussion of "diversity" in the PSF.
> I suspect there's a lot of activity in India that we're just not in
> touch with, and that there may be people that should eventually become
> PSF members.  Somehow we should try to keep that in mind collectively
> and figure out how to get appropriate people into the nomination process.

Vid is one of the admins of the diversity list, so she's well aware of
what's been going on.  ;-)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"To me vi is Zen.  To use vi is to practice zen.  Every command is a
koan.  Profound to the user, unintelligible to the uninitiated.  You
discover truth everytime you use it."  --reddy at lion.austin.ibm.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 19:38:08 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:08:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <4AD6012F.9080509@python.org>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD6012F.9080509@python.org>
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Hello everyone,
   My general understanding so far has been that except for the issue
of trademarks, copyrights and such things, it's pretty much upto us to
decide what we want to call this 'society'' that we're trying to set
up. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

   Our initial idea of registering a society was *purely* to open a
bank account so that we needn't rely on a 3rd party or a single
individual to handle sponsorship money. In that sense, this would be a
"India PyCon foundation" or something just to help with PyCon's
throughout India.

   From the thread so far, here are the points I could glean
   - We need to make this organisation tax exempt so that people can
contribute money to it.
   - It's not a self sustaining organisation (ie. we are not
particularly concerned about bankruptcy etc.). We just need to keep
this going so that when we need a legal entity, we have one.
   - I don't think there is any formal relationship to the PSF. It
just so happens that we're both interested in and promoting Python.
   - The "chapter" approach might involve legal complications and I
don't know what demons await us there.
   - The actual *name* is not as much of an issue as what we plan to
use it for (promoting python/as a tool to handle funds for pycon).

  Anyway, like all things, I'm going to go out and get some stuff
done. Atleast talk to a lawyer about some of the details. I'll post
back with my findings and we can discuss it for a day or two. Then,
we'll incorporate. I'll keep you guys of the PSF posted.

Thanks.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Oct 14 19:53:42 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:53:42 -0700
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India'
	or	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910141038u62193d47pffc15f345a4e8677@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD6012F.9080509@python.org>
	<9963e56e0910141038u62193d47pffc15f345a4e8677@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091014175342.GA25563@panix.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>
>   Anyway, like all things, I'm going to go out and get some stuff
> done. Atleast talk to a lawyer about some of the details. I'll post
> back with my findings and we can discuss it for a day or two. Then,
> we'll incorporate. I'll keep you guys of the PSF posted.

Best wishes!
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"To me vi is Zen.  To use vi is to practice zen.  Every command is a
koan.  Profound to the user, unintelligible to the uninitiated.  You
discover truth everytime you use it."  --reddy at lion.austin.ibm.com

From lac at openend.se  Wed Oct 14 19:56:04 2009
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:56:04 +0200
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: Message from Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> of "Wed,
	14 Oct 2009 23:08:08 +0530."
	<9963e56e0910141038u62193d47pffc15f345a4e8677@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9963e56e0910141038u62193d47pffc15f345a4e8677@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200910141756.n9EHu4N5012068@theraft.openend.se>

The most important thing to remember is to keep your organisation 
flexible enough that it can handle its business.  So things like
'requring two signatures before funds can be allocated' might sound
like a fine policy to provide a little bit of security, but it falls
apart when the people who can sign for things don't live in the
same place where you want to spend the money.

Your charter should have some rules about how you change the rules
of your charter.  Otherwise when you need to change your rules,
you can have problems.  

Here's the one we use for the EuroPython Society.
http://www.europython.eu/about/eps/

You are welcome to use any of it you find useful.

Good luck!

Laura Creighton
chair, EuroPython Society


From kausikram at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 20:06:52 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:36:52 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140503u7cd9e5c1n3f354781b0421a93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140013g2d2dbfd3x7cf9f3cebddb2098@mail.gmail.com>
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General Suggestion Based on what we had done for proto.in:
Formation of a Society that looks at the larger interest of the python
Community in India. The immediate mandate of such a society would be to run
PyCon India, however at a later stage it should be in a position to take up
any kind of evangelising activity related to python on India.

The proposed society should be inclusive and have diverse representation.
Office beareres shall be elected into place and shall hold on to a post for
a term of two years.

Office bearers shall not be allowed to contest for consecutive terms.

the society shall have the power to float semi autonomous teams that will be
responsible for pycon india and any other initiatives that shall be
undertaken.

Finances for all initiatives shall be handled centrally and shall be
revealed to the core team (board members) atleast once a month and to the
members annually.

The society should ideally be a pan indian one as kenneth put it. Though a
karnataka based society will not harm, a pan indian one will reflect to be
more inclusive. it will also ensure that there will not be a case where in a
separate NCRIndiaPyCon or a Chennai IndiaPycon society be formed. Society
mandates that there be a board meeting every once in a while, this might get
tricky if the board is distributed across cities, but i am sure the
pythonista community can manage. Also if PSF did roll out a way for us to
become its sister concern / chapter the transition would be much easier if
its a single pan india society than a whole clutter of python non profits
across the nation.

Finally getting a tax exempt is a big pain. we better start working right
now to atleast get it by next pycon. also chances are we might never get an
exempt, in which case we better keep track of every penny we spend and file
taxes properly. the other alternate which we learnt was to never make a
profit in an event. when you raise money give everything off. :D that
technically translates to T shirts, backpacks and caps all saying that we
are not reappy wizards.

cheers,
kausik
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 02:31:00 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:01:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <2597ddb90910141106r5c136e1fp99bb94894528cc4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 11:36:52 pm kausikram krishnasayee wrote:
> The proposed society should be inclusive and have diverse representation.
> Office beareres shall be elected into place and shall hold on to a post for
> a term of two years.

this would be illegal - the law mandates annual elections
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 02:38:52 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:08:52 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: [PyCon-Organizers] PyCon 2010 Theme Part II -
	It's about the community
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 7:03:05 pm vid wrote:
> But now I wonder if that approach is slightly misaligned - because
> PyCon is about "connecting the community."  Should we really be
> promoting Python?  I suspect not, because everyone who attends PyCon
> already knows Python and has their own reasons for using it.

that is in America - in India, this does not apply. I can testify to the fact 
that when I started the beginner's tutorial I insisted that anyone who knew 
anything of python should leave. The hall was still full. I asked: how many of 
you do not know anything about python? All hands went up.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From kausikram at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 03:58:39 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:28:39 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <200910150601.01010.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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>
>
>
this would be illegal - the law mandates annual elections


is it? we seem to be working on a bi annual mode. isnt it based on what you
say in the ininitial bylaws? the only condition being the registration be
renewed yearly(i think). but yeah i am talking based on the Tamil Nadu
Societies Registration Act, 1975. may be its different if we get pan indian.
:(

sadly the act itself i cannot find online. managed to find only this
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2000/08/22/stories/13220643.htm

and ofcourse this:
http://www.tnreginet.net/english/tel05.asp

-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 20:45:45 2009
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:45:45 -0700
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <200910141756.n9EHu4N5012068@theraft.openend.se>
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	<4AD6012F.9080509@python.org> <noufal@gmail.com>
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Re Python in India:

<rant>

Just a somewhat off-topic addendum that I envision future spawning of
Pythonic entities will involve more talk of servers, access protocols,
wikis, shared aesthetics, web framework, unicode languages,
translations -- combined with eCommercial stuff having to do with gift
shops and ticketed events.  The global bank in the background might
all be defined using open source software (Postgres etc.).

In principle, engineers know how to define objects and entities
without recourse to legalese.

In my book, lawyers are what I call "slow engineers" i.e. they traffic
in crufty non-executable languages, full of holes, often in a
shambles.

I am not especially respectful of legalese, from the standpoint of
engineering.  That new generations just swallow it without question is
of course symptomatic of their ignorance and laziness.

The more we sound like Python programmers and the less we sound like
lawyers the better IMO.

India has the deeply unfortunate legacy of having been in the UK's
orb, a legalistic culture of a backward nature that typifies
everything wrong with "the law".  My condolences.

The USA shares this legacy to some extent and it's causing a lot of
trouble.  Politicians find themselves stuck within systems barely able
to operate.  There's precious little version control.

I'm glad we're finally moving on to a more rational system of business
and social network management wherein lawyers will be far less in
demand, programmers more so.

Civilization needs to reach a next level and overcoming tired legalese
is a big part of what that looks like.

Spoken like a true pirate,

</rant>

Kirby Urner
PSF '09

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 05:18:36 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:48:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
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On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 7:28:39 am kausikram krishnasayee wrote:
> this would be illegal - the law mandates annual elections
>
>
> is it? we seem to be working on a bi annual mode. isnt it based on what you
> say in the ininitial bylaws? the only condition being the registration be
> renewed yearly(i think). but yeah i am talking based on the Tamil Nadu
> Societies Registration Act, 1975. may be its different if we get pan
> indian.

since I have not practised law for some time, I may be wrong on specifics
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From kausikram at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 05:26:26 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:56:26 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <200910150848.36410.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
> since I have not practised law for some time, I may be wrong on specifics


or maybe there was something that i completely missed. i think the broad
consensus is on being a regular periodic election to avoid
people squatting on the board for too long. :D

otherwise how does the suggestion sound to you ??

-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
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From vid at svaksha.com  Thu Oct 15 05:33:23 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:18:23 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 23:51, kausikram krishnasayee
<kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
> The proposed society should be inclusive and have diverse representation.
> Office beareres shall be elected into place and shall hold on to a post for
> a term of two years.
> Office bearers shall not be allowed to contest for consecutive terms.
> the society shall have the power to float semi autonomous teams that will be
> responsible for pycon india and any other initiatives that shall be
> undertaken.
> Finances for all initiatives shall be handled centrally and shall be
> revealed to the core team (board members) atleast once a month and to the
> members annually.

More suggestions :
0. Can the MOA /bylaws for the org include a clause that all office
bearers use the mailing list for official discussions. The PSF does
it. Its a invite only list with private archives.
1. Discussions should be floated on the mailing list and opinions from
members taken before the board takes a decision.
2. Elections should be public. <---discussion needed.  Debian, Gnome
and Ubuntu conduct them in a public way. Maybe we can work this out in
a way that everyone gets an opportunity to contribute and no
individual or those representing an organisation can have a vested
interest. Ex. Gnome foundation members are supposed to openly state
their affiliations and the discussions take place on their foundation
list.

comments?
-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 05:36:17 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:06:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <2597ddb90910142026w60a43c03k7c5cbb648102f03f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 8:56:26 am kausikram krishnasayee wrote:
> > since I have not practised law for some time, I may be wrong on specifics
>
> or maybe there was something that i completely missed. i think the broad
> consensus is on being a regular periodic election to avoid
> people squatting on the board for too long. :D
>
> otherwise how does the suggestion sound to you ??

yearly elections are the universal norm - possibly restrict office bearers to 
max of two terms.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From vid at svaksha.com  Thu Oct 15 05:41:21 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:26:21 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: [PyCon-Organizers] PyCon 2010 Theme Part II -
	It's about the community
In-Reply-To: <200910150608.52823.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 06:23, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 7:03:05 pm vid wrote:
ouch...wrong attribution. The following is :
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Trevor Toenjes
>> But now I wonder if that approach is slightly misaligned - because
>> PyCon is about "connecting the community." ?Should we really be
>> promoting Python? ?I suspect not, because everyone who attends PyCon
>> already knows Python and has their own reasons for using it.
>
> that is in America - in India, this does not apply. I can testify to the fact
> that when I started the beginner's tutorial I insisted that anyone who knew
> anything of python should leave. The hall was still full. I asked: how many of
> you do not know anything about python? All hands went up.

darn, didnt nobody say its a snake :) Seriously speaking, its not
surprising to hear that when I consider the fact that Floss is not a
part of the curriculum and worse "community work" or "volunteering"
credits is not an inherent part of our educational system. That needs
to change.

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From kausikram at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 05:52:35 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:22:35 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <200910150906.18178.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> yearly elections are the universal norm - possibly restrict office bearers
> to
> max of two terms.


If thats the norm then lets follow it :)

so collecting all suggestions as of now (including those of vid):

0 . Formation of a Society that looks at the larger interest of the python
Community in India. The immediate mandate of such a society would be to run
PyCon India, however at a later stage it should be in a position to take up
any kind of evangelising activity related to python on India.

1. The proposed society should be inclusive and have diverse representation.
Office beareres shall be elected into place and shall hold on to a post for
a term of one year.

2. Office bearers shall not be allowed to contest for more than two
consecutive terms [inputs from Kenneth]

3. the society shall have the power to float semi autonomous teams that will
be responsible for pycon india and any other initiatives that shall be
undertaken.

4. Finances for all initiatives shall be handled centrally and shall be
revealed to the core team (board members) atleast once a month and to the
members annually.

5. The society should ideally be a pan indian one as kenneth put it. Though
a karnataka based society will not harm.

6. All office bearers to use the official mailing list for official
discussions. The PSF does it. Its a invite only list with private archives.

7. Discussions should be floated on the mailing list and opinions
from members taken before the board takes a decision.

8. Elections should be public. and online ?? maybe? attn: Kenneth do you
think the law will allow that?


Please feel free to add to the list.


-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
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From vid at svaksha.com  Thu Oct 15 06:04:00 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:49:00 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:37, kausikram krishnasayee
<kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If thats the norm then lets follow it :)
> so collecting all suggestions as of now (including those of vid):
> 0 . Formation of a Society that looks at the larger interest of the python
> Community in India. The immediate mandate of such a society would be to run
> PyCon India, however at a later stage it should be in a position to take up
> any kind of evangelising activity related to python on India.
> 1. The proposed society should be inclusive and have diverse representation.
> Office beareres shall be elected into place and shall hold on to a post for
> a term of one year.
> 2. Office bearers shall not be allowed to contest for more than two
> consecutive terms [inputs from Kenneth]
> 3. the society shall have the power to float semi autonomous teams that will
> be responsible for pycon india and any other initiatives that shall be
> undertaken.
> 4. Finances for all initiatives shall be handled centrally and shall be
> revealed to the core team (board members) atleast once a month and to the
> members annually.
> 5. The society should ideally be a pan indian one as kenneth put it. Though
> a karnataka based society will not harm.
> 6. All office?bearers to use the official mailing list for official
> discussions. The PSF does?it. Its a invite only list with private archives.
> 7. Discussions should be floated on the mailing list and opinions
> from?members taken before the board takes a decision.
>
> 8. Elections should be public. and online ?? maybe? attn: Kenneth do you
> think the law will allow that?

I doubt if Indian laws have kept pace with the advances in technology.
That is where the MoA clause comes in. Noufal/Kunal can clarify this
with the lawyer. As Kirby mentioned, we do have legacy laws from the
British so the technical legalese wont differ much afaik. The rest is
interpretation based on intent.

Laura had posted the EU society's bylaws link, so here is the US one.

http://www.python.org/psf/bylaws/
http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/history/
http://www.python.org/psf/members/
http://www.python.org/psf/membership/


-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 06:30:53 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:00:53 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910142104i7853f2bfkda02635d56827e10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
[..]
> I doubt if Indian laws have kept pace with the advances in technology.
> That is where the MoA clause comes in. Noufal/Kunal can clarify this
> with the lawyer. As Kirby mentioned, we do have legacy laws from the
> British so the technical legalese wont differ much afaik. The rest is
> interpretation based on intent.
[..]

I just want something in place to take care of the accounts. All this
legalese is pretty much lost on me with elections, officers, terms,
MoAs etc. I'll speak to the lawyer and mail back.

As for *everything* being public, transparent and discussed on the
list, it's not going to happen. It didn't happen for the conference
and from my experience, if it did, the conference wouldn't have taken
place. However, all major decisions and things that actually affect
direction and policy should (and will) be beaten out on the list.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 06:39:15 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:09:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Registering society (Was: Re: FOSS PyCon)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910142130l4268a5d1hc1fad598c7f80f5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132338t7613fc98h11670d8d18746071@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00910142104i7853f2bfkda02635d56827e10@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910142130l4268a5d1hc1fad598c7f80f5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910151009.15713.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 10:00:53 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> As for everything being public, transparent and discussed on the
> list, it's not going to happen. It didn't happen for the conference
> and from my experience, if it did, the conference wouldn't have taken
> place. However, all major decisions and things that actually affect
> direction and policy should (and will) be beaten out on the list.

yes - discussion is fine and should be open and transparent - but leaving 
decisions to committees will allow nothing to be done - someone should have 
the final word
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 06:42:19 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:12:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
Message-ID: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi, 

I am reconfiguring, my box to use nginx instead of apache, so the server may 
not respond too well today.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 07:28:35 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:58:35 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910140728h5e31a67fl6f27dd4973e9e6cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:58 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 19:47, Paul Prescod <paul at prescod.net> wrote:
> > What negative consequences are you concerned about, in the case where you
> > take on the broader mandate?
>
> As yet, we have not discussed the negative consequences in detail,
> rather a thought that we need the PSF's blessings[0] as its the parent
> legal entity.
>
> [0] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2009-October/001242.html
>
> In my limited knowledge, registering it as Python-India would allow
> the NPO to undertake more Pythonic activities (the exact nature of
> activities needs to be discussed) listed in the MoA. OTOH, registering
> it as Pycon-India will restrict the organisation to events/conferences
> only.  This is a very simplistic outline as there may be other
> legalese nuances which we will know after Kunal and Noufal meet up
> with the lawyer on Friday.  We hope to get more details over the
> weekend.
>

 It is important not to get euphoric and loose focus here. You have had a
 good conference, and the immediate requirements are for an organization
 as a formal entity to manage running and managing of future Indian
 PyCons, nothing more.

 It is of course good to plan ahead for a larger mandate, but it would
better
 to take it step by step than to jump headlong into it. Currently the
efforts
 should be directed towards forming an organization which can streamline
 PyCon India efforts.

 The name is not the issue here - if you think that calling it "PyCon India"
 would restrict its mandate to only conferences, call it "Python India"
 or "Python India Software Foundation", anything.

 Anyway, I don't believe that legal entities are required to popularize
 and spread Python language in India. Don't forget that the whole thread
 of a PyCon India sprang from the BangPypers group which has been
 active and helping in Python awareness in Bangalore and India since 2005,
 without any facade of a formal society. The idea took shape and became
 concrete due to the efforts of a few key people, but it is important not
 to forget where it started.


> On those lines, it would be nice to know how the PSF views local
> chapters, rules (if any), etc...  Any other advice/comments !
>
> --
> || vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
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>



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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 07:47:15 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:17:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:58 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 19:47, Paul Prescod <paul at prescod.net> wrote:
>> > What negative consequences are you concerned about, in the case where
>> you
>> > take on the broader mandate?
>>
>> As yet, we have not discussed the negative consequences in detail,
>> rather a thought that we need the PSF's blessings[0] as its the parent
>> legal entity.
>>
>> [0] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2009-October/001242.html
>>
>> In my limited knowledge, registering it as Python-India would allow
>> the NPO to undertake more Pythonic activities (the exact nature of
>> activities needs to be discussed) listed in the MoA. OTOH, registering
>> it as Pycon-India will restrict the organisation to events/conferences
>> only.  This is a very simplistic outline as there may be other
>> legalese nuances which we will know after Kunal and Noufal meet up
>> with the lawyer on Friday.  We hope to get more details over the
>> weekend.
>>
>
>  It is important not to get euphoric and loose focus here. You have had a
>  good conference, and the immediate requirements are for an organization
>  as a formal entity to manage running and managing of future Indian
>  PyCons, nothing more.
>
>  It is of course good to plan ahead for a larger mandate, but it would
> better
>  to take it step by step than to jump headlong into it. Currently the
> efforts
>  should be directed towards forming an organization which can streamline
>  PyCon India efforts.
>
>  The name is not the issue here - if you think that calling it "PyCon
> India"
>  would restrict its mandate to only conferences, call it "Python India"
>  or "Python India Software Foundation", anything.
>
>  Anyway, I don't believe that legal entities are required to popularize
>  and spread Python language in India. Don't forget that the whole thread
>  of a PyCon India sprang from the BangPypers group which has been
>  active and helping in Python awareness in Bangalore and India since 2005,
>  without any facade of a formal society. The idea took shape and became
>  concrete due to the efforts of a few key people, but it is important not
>  to forget where it started.
>
>
>> On those lines, it would be nice to know how the PSF views local
>> chapters, rules (if any), etc...  Any other advice/comments !
>>
>> --
>> || vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>

Also one of the key goals of BangPypers if I reminisce was the idea of doing
some joint hacking on some projects, and learning from each other. Apart
from a few attempts a few years back, we seemed to have forgotten this.

Btw, we have a meeting this weekend, do we have plans?


>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 08:13:48 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:43:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:58 PM, vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 19:47, Paul Prescod <paul at prescod.net> wrote:
>>> > What negative consequences are you concerned about, in the case where
>>> you
>>> > take on the broader mandate?
>>>
>>> As yet, we have not discussed the negative consequences in detail,
>>> rather a thought that we need the PSF's blessings[0] as its the parent
>>> legal entity.
>>>
>>> [0] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2009-October/001242.html
>>>
>>> In my limited knowledge, registering it as Python-India would allow
>>> the NPO to undertake more Pythonic activities (the exact nature of
>>> activities needs to be discussed) listed in the MoA. OTOH, registering
>>> it as Pycon-India will restrict the organisation to events/conferences
>>> only.  This is a very simplistic outline as there may be other
>>> legalese nuances which we will know after Kunal and Noufal meet up
>>> with the lawyer on Friday.  We hope to get more details over the
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>
>>  It is important not to get euphoric and loose focus here. You have had a
>>  good conference, and the immediate requirements are for an organization
>>  as a formal entity to manage running and managing of future Indian
>>  PyCons, nothing more.
>>
>>  It is of course good to plan ahead for a larger mandate, but it would
>> better
>>  to take it step by step than to jump headlong into it. Currently the
>> efforts
>>  should be directed towards forming an organization which can streamline
>>  PyCon India efforts.
>>
>>  The name is not the issue here - if you think that calling it "PyCon
>> India"
>>  would restrict its mandate to only conferences, call it "Python India"
>>  or "Python India Software Foundation", anything.
>>
>>  Anyway, I don't believe that legal entities are required to popularize
>>  and spread Python language in India. Don't forget that the whole thread
>>  of a PyCon India sprang from the BangPypers group which has been
>>  active and helping in Python awareness in Bangalore and India since 2005,
>>  without any facade of a formal society. The idea took shape and became
>>  concrete due to the efforts of a few key people, but it is important not
>>  to forget where it started.
>>
>>
>>> On those lines, it would be nice to know how the PSF views local
>>> chapters, rules (if any), etc...  Any other advice/comments !
>>>
>>> --
>>> || vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Inpycon mailing list
>>> Inpycon at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>>
>>
>
> Also one of the key goals of BangPypers if I reminisce was the idea of
> doing some joint hacking on some projects, and learning from each other.
> Apart from a few attempts a few years back, we seemed to have forgotten
> this.
>
> Btw, we have a meeting this weekend, do we have plans?
>

 Please see my recent post to BangPypers.  Let us take the discussion there.


>
>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>

Thanks,

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From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:50:10 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
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	<8548c5f30910142228u265cf934j22fc9da3833f8033@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00910142247q4c9fecd4k2601a38add77a336@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910151150.10676.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

since there are so many threads here, I am doing a blank TOFU post without 
apologies ;-)

The issue is: pycon india or PSF india. The reason for the emergence of the 
issue is the success of pycon India 2009. The reason for that success was the 
minimalist approach we followed - we did not attempt to chew what we could not 
bite - we set realistic goals and achieved them. Now, as happened with 
linux.conf.au, we have some excess funds and we need an entity to administer 
the same. Using these funds and the entity created we hope to have a bigger, 
better Indian Pycon 2010. That is where we are today.

We also might have a long term goal of becoming a wing of PSF for India - but 
that is long term and even the PSF has no clear idea of what that implies. But 
among other things it implies setting up something more than a lightweight 
society - more a sec25 company with all the expense and paperwork that 
requires. It also implies creating various classes of members - funding 
members, life members, patron members, ordinary members, student members - 
some of these have votes, others do not. I see that many of the funding 
members of PSF have their representative institutions in this country - I am 
sure they would expect to be consulted in this process. I feel that at the 
most, we can have a sort of preparatory committee formed to explore the 
process of founding a PSF India. Nothing more. Perhaps among the preliminary 
activities would be to identify people worthy of becoming members of PSF 
itself from India (and who have the time to spare) - which would help in this 
endeavour.

One thing we must remember that this is India - we are at a stage where 
introducing people to python is the main agenda. We are not at the stage where 
we can say: all attendees of the conference use python so let us talk of 
community. We *do* have enough traction to keep organising annual conferences, 
but I seriously doubt whether we have enough people with enough time, 
commitment and maturity to run a Python Foundation. I suspect that, for the 
main members of this at least, it would be pretty much a full time activity. 
We can dream of this, work for it, but right now lets stick to creating a 
minimal entity for handling the funds for the next conference.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 08:56:06 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:26:06 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 10:12:19 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> I am reconfiguring, my box to use nginx instead of apache, so the server
> may not respond too well today.

server is up - much faster now, but still need it to go to /2009/
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 09:01:16 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:31:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: [PyCon-Organizers] PyCon 2010 Theme Part II -
	It's about the community
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910142041s6f3680c0xd9e95e63a6585af0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AD4A4C1.6030104@gmail.com> <200910150608.52823.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<12470af00910142041s6f3680c0xd9e95e63a6585af0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910151231.17178.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 9:11:21 am vid wrote:
> > that is in America - in India, this does not apply. I can testify to the
> > fact that when I started the beginner's tutorial I insisted that anyone
> > who knew anything of python should leave. The hall was still full. I
> > asked: how many of you do not know anything about python? All hands went
> > up.
>
> darn, didnt nobody say its a snake :) Seriously speaking, its not
> surprising to hear that when I consider the fact that Floss is not a
> part of the curriculum and worse "community work" or "volunteering"
> credits is not an inherent part of our educational system. That needs
> to change.

I think you have missed the point. This has nothing to do with the education 
system. It is just a fact of life that we have very few python developers 
here, possibly *no* developers of python, hence the main audience for 
conferences are newbies and beginners.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From vid at svaksha.com  Fri Oct 16 06:12:26 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:57:26 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910142228u265cf934j22fc9da3833f8033@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00910140728h5e31a67fl6f27dd4973e9e6cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910142228u265cf934j22fc9da3833f8033@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af00910152112nb85a9a0q28aaf4aba3c89f19@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [0] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2009-October/001242.html
>
> ?It is important not to get euphoric and loose focus here. You have had a
[........]

To clarify, I was just trying to help when I saw enough interest.
Period. The name suggestion(s), mandate and even the registration of
an Indian pycon (or something else) organisation were not mine--only
the OP's can clarify their ideas. Folks (including me) opined and as
evident in the earlier thread it was suggested the PSF's opinion on
this be sought.


> ?without any facade of a formal society. The idea took shape and became
> ?concrete due to the efforts of a few key people, but it is important not
> ?to forget where it started.

Exactly, so despite you nominating me earlier, I intended to withdraw
my name as there are others who IMPO are better suited on the board.
Also, I prefer the current model of ad-hoc organisations (with all its
inherent difficulties), provided Janastu (or any other org) is willing
to help. However, if the group intends to focus on a larger mandate
(read, beyond conferences) I can only share/opine bits to the extent
known.

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 06:49:17 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:19:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] [PSF-Members] [x-post] Register 'Pycon-India' or
	'Python-India'?
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910152112nb85a9a0q28aaf4aba3c89f19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12470af00910140525n2940c35fyc03ef6910002c32e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1cb725390910140702v6d8bf72du25f972996a8d0e1e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<12470af00910140728h5e31a67fl6f27dd4973e9e6cc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910142228u265cf934j22fc9da3833f8033@mail.gmail.com> 
	<12470af00910152112nb85a9a0q28aaf4aba3c89f19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910152149y73b62354u5552d8d00ee7c352@mail.gmail.com>

> Also, I prefer the current model of ad-hoc organisations (with all its
> inherent difficulties), provided Janastu (or any other org) is willing
> to help.

Janastu agreed to handle the funds for PyConIndia on the condition
that we'll transfer the remaining funds to a different account soon
after the conference.

Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 17:50:09 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:20:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 10:12:19 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> I am reconfiguring, my box to use nginx instead of apache, so the server
>> may not respond too well today.
>
> server is up - much faster now, but still need it to go to /2009/

Kenneth, please fix this ASAP. This change broke all the earlier URLs
and page rank of the website will go down because of this.

Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 17:50:55 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:20:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Follow up email
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
   I sent out a follow up email to the conference but I'm not sure if
it reached everyone. Kenneth had changed the HTTP server on the site
and because of that some URLs are broken. I'm not sure if the email
reached everyone. IF you did receive something like that, please
holler.

Thanks

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 20 07:23:37 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:53:37 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Follow up email
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910201053.37648.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 19 Oct 2009 9:20:55 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>    I sent out a follow up email to the conference but I'm not sure if
> it reached everyone. Kenneth had changed the HTTP server on the site
> and because of that some URLs are broken. I'm not sure if the email
> reached everyone. IF you did receive something like that, please
> holler.

if I got it everyone must have got it.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 20 07:26:15 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:56:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 19 Oct 2009 9:20:09 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> 
wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 10:12:19 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> >> I am reconfiguring, my box to use nginx instead of apache, so the server
> >> may not respond too well today.
> >
> > server is up - much faster now, but still need it to go to 2009
>
> Kenneth, please fix this ASAP. This change broke all the earlier URLs
> and page rank of the website will go down because of this.

what is the future of this site? I personally feel that inpycon should get a 
vps of it's own and host this and subsequent sites - we have funds for a 
couple of years at least. Later we could go for a dedicated server. If we have 
a vps dedicated to the conference then we can indulge in the luxury of having 
more than one server admin, which will prevent the failure that due to us 
having the single point of failure stuck in a car in Mandya in the rain.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 07:31:16 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:01:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Follow up email
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <def7ddf20910192231t3a5ef96fqbd0038a396a87739@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>IF you did receive something like that, please
> holler.
I have got it.

regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 07:47:14 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:17:14 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org> 
	<41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910192247jb50d4cexf16e4bd79dc60542@mail.gmail.com>

> what is the future of this site? I personally feel that inpycon should get a
> vps of it's own and host this and subsequent sites - we have funds for a
> couple of years at least. Later we could go for a dedicated server. If we have
> a vps dedicated to the conference then we can indulge in the luxury of having
> more than one server admin, which will prevent the failure that due to us
> having the single point of failure stuck in a car in Mandya in the rain.

The plan is to freeze the contents and generate static html.
Hosting static html requires a lot less maintenance than running a web
application.

Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 08:27:33 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:57:33 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Follow up email
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910192327r3df8829rdc8998fddd01c5f4@mail.gmail.com>

> IF you did receive something like that, please holler.

I've got it too.
(But didn't notice it till now)

Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:38:28 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:08:28 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910200038p47541d37w833663ddeea95687@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Monday 19 Oct 2009 9:20:09 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
>> > On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 10:12:19 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> >> I am reconfiguring, my box to use nginx instead of apache, so the server
>> >> may not respond too well today.
>> >
>> > server is up - much faster now, but still need it to go to 2009
>>
>> Kenneth, please fix this ASAP. This change broke all the earlier URLs
>> and page rank of the website will go down because of this.
>
> what is the future of this site? I personally feel that inpycon should get a
> vps of it's own and host this and subsequent sites - we have funds for a
> couple of years at least. Later we could go for a dedicated server. If we have
> a vps dedicated to the conference then we can indulge in the luxury of having
> more than one server admin, which will prevent the failure that due to us
> having the single point of failure stuck in a car in Mandya in the rain.[..]

It will probably get a server of it's own. Till then, it would be nice
if the URLs and stuff were maintained.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:40:08 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:10:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Follow up email
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910192327r3df8829rdc8998fddd01c5f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910192327r3df8829rdc8998fddd01c5f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910200040l10bda4f9o35a06ab4d71e9613@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> IF you did receive something like that, please holler.
>
> I've got it too.
> (But didn't notice it till now)

Ah. You're the one who confused me.

I guess it's a wrap then, you can take the site offline and make all
the pages static with the old URL scheme. Do you foresee any problems?



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 10:59:07 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:29:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910192247jb50d4cexf16e4bd79dc60542@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910192247jb50d4cexf16e4bd79dc60542@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910200159x3dca26b0s7c044a78125d02e4@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> > what is the future of this site? I personally feel that inpycon should
> get a
> > vps of it's own and host this and subsequent sites - we have funds for a
> > couple of years at least. Later we could go for a dedicated server. If we
> have
> > a vps dedicated to the conference then we can indulge in the luxury of
> having
> > more than one server admin, which will prevent the failure that due to us
> > having the single point of failure stuck in a car in Mandya in the rain.
>
> The plan is to freeze the contents and generate static html.
> Hosting static html requires a lot less maintenance than running a web
> application.
>

I dont think static html is a nice idea. if all content have permalinks,
then stick to that, i'd suggest that we shift the site web faction....

>
> Anand
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065
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From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:13:32 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:43:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Follow up email
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910200040l10bda4f9o35a06ab4d71e9613@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910190850o1c8c502fw74b4d9905ff15ffa@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910192327r3df8829rdc8998fddd01c5f4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910200040l10bda4f9o35a06ab4d71e9613@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910200213m6965be3bxab9d378ee87bb72a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> IF you did receive something like that, please holler.
>>
>> I've got it too.
>> (But didn't notice it till now)
>
> Ah. You're the one who confused me.
>
> I guess it's a wrap then, you can take the site offline and make all
> the pages static with the old URL scheme. Do you foresee any problems?

There is no need to take the site offline for doing this.

Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:24:36 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:54:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910200159x3dca26b0s7c044a78125d02e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org> 
	<41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910192247jb50d4cexf16e4bd79dc60542@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6e38f9f00910200159x3dca26b0s7c044a78125d02e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910200224u21251fb2mc702316cbaacc61f@mail.gmail.com>

> I dont think static html is a nice idea. if all content have permalinks,
> then stick to that.

Why is it a bad idea?
The links will continue to stay the same even after converting to static html.

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 07:06:58 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:36:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:09 AM
Subject: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
To: noufal at gmail.com
Cc: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>


Hi Noufal Ibrahim:



My name is Pat Campbell and I am the administrator for the Python

Software Foundation (PSF). I work very closely with Steve Holden,

Chairman of the PSF. My reason for emailing you is to verify your

mailing address because I will be sending you your PSF Community

Award Certificate. So, could you please forward your mailing

address to me as soon as possible?

Please see excerpt from website:
http://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/

regarding your award below:

Recognition will take the form of an award certificate plus one of the
? following:



A cash award of up to $600, allowing a single award to a US taxpayer
to be made without

requiring any formalities;



or



Free registration at PyCon, with optionally a contribution of up to
$500 towards the

recipient's travel and accommodation expenses. This award would be
preferred for recipients

from outside the USA, as there are fewer tax implications.



**If you select cash and are a non-US resident, please forward a TIN
tax form to Kurt Kaiser at kbk at shore.net.





?Also, please let me know how your mailing address should appear on the

?mailing label. If you have any questions, please let me know.



Thanks,



Pat



--
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator
patcam at python.org



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 21 07:25:39 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:55:39 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910211055.39223.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 21 Oct 2009 10:36:58 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> My name is Pat Campbell and I am the administrator for the Python
>
> Software Foundation (PSF). I work very closely with Steve Holden,
>
> Chairman of the PSF. My reason for emailing you is to verify your
>
> mailing address because I will be sending you your PSF Community
>
> Award Certificate.

congrats - could not have happened to a nicer person.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 07:32:59 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:02:59 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910202232n7e80cdqd7d270dc68a1462b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
> Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:09 AM
> Subject: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
> To: noufal at gmail.com
> Cc: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
>
Is this too old and grumpy a place to shout "treat, treat!"? :P

Congrats, Noufal.

Roshan Mathews

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 07:39:32 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:09:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <def7ddf20910202239r677e048fibb60e94794891df0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
> Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:09 AM
> Subject: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
> To: noufal at gmail.com
> Cc: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
>
>
> Hi Noufal Ibrahim:
>
>
>
> My name is Pat Campbell and I am the administrator for the Python
>
> Software Foundation (PSF). I work very closely with Steve Holden,
>
> Chairman of the PSF. My reason for emailing you is to verify your
>
> mailing address because I will be sending you your PSF Community
>
> Award Certificate. So, could you please forward your mailing
>
> address to me as soon as possible?
>
> Please see excerpt from website:
> http://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/
>
> regarding your award below:
>
> Recognition will take the form of an award certificate plus one of the
> ? following:

Congratulations Man. A well deserved award.  Its great news for the
Python Community in India.  When / Wheres the party ;-)



-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Wed Oct 21 07:39:46 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:09:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20910202239r677e048fibb60e94794891df0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20910202239r677e048fibb60e94794891df0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910211109.46919.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Wednesday 21 Oct 2009 11:09:32 am Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> > http://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/
> >
> > regarding your award below:
> >
> > Recognition will take the form of an award certificate plus one of the
> >   following:
>
> Congratulations Man. A well deserved award.  Its great news for the
> Python Community in India.  When / Wheres the party ;-)

*we* have to give him a party. At least that is the way things work where I 
come from.
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 07:49:14 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:19:14 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <200910211109.46919.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20910202239r677e048fibb60e94794891df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910211109.46919.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <def7ddf20910202249s2a4e8971o78e8e953351b0560@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations Man. A well deserved award. ?Its great news for the
>> Python Community in India. ?When / Wheres the party ;-)
>
> *we* have to give him a party. At least that is the way things work where I
> come from.

Sure we can . Where does the python community meet next, lets see the
next major foss conference in India , GNUnify ?


-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 21 08:14:18 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:44:18 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20910202249s2a4e8971o78e8e953351b0560@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910211109.46919.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
	<def7ddf20910202249s2a4e8971o78e8e953351b0560@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910211144.18373.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 21 Oct 2009 11:19:14 am Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> <lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
> >> Congratulations Man. A well deserved award.  Its great news for the
> >> Python Community in India.  When / Wheres the party ;-)
> >
> > we have to give him a party. At least that is the way things work where I
> > come from.
>
> Sure we can . Where does the python community meet next, lets see the
> next major foss conference in India , GNUnify ?

mukt.in (hyderabad), followed by 
GNUnify (Pune) and FOSSCONF (Chennai)

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:57:07 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:27:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
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Message-ID: <41139fcb0910202357j481794a3p657281ddfbdc968b@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations Noufal!

Anand

From punchagan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 09:06:31 2009
From: punchagan at gmail.com (Puneeth Chaganti)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:36:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910202357j481794a3p657281ddfbdc968b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com> 
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Message-ID: <604ca1b20910210006t5a906002g98a378fa24d17a35@mail.gmail.com>

Kudos Noufal!

-- 
~punchagan

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 09:10:48 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:40:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0910210010g5fd6f78bob5a1520b12ec4088@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations Noufal!!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
> Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:09 AM
> Subject: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
> To: noufal at gmail.com
> Cc: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
>
>
> Hi Noufal Ibrahim:
>
>
>
> My name is Pat Campbell and I am the administrator for the Python
>
> Software Foundation (PSF). I work very closely with Steve Holden,
>
> Chairman of the PSF. My reason for emailing you is to verify your
>
> mailing address because I will be sending you your PSF Community
>
> Award Certificate. So, could you please forward your mailing
>
> address to me as soon as possible?
>
> Please see excerpt from website:
> http://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/
>
> regarding your award below:
>
> Recognition will take the form of an award certificate plus one of the
>   following:
>
>
>
> A cash award of up to $600, allowing a single award to a US taxpayer
> to be made without
>
> requiring any formalities;
>
>
>
> or
>
>
>
> Free registration at PyCon, with optionally a contribution of up to
> $500 towards the
>
> recipient's travel and accommodation expenses. This award would be
> preferred for recipients
>
> from outside the USA, as there are fewer tax implications.
>
>
>
> **If you select cash and are a non-US resident, please forward a TIN
> tax form to Kurt Kaiser at kbk at shore.net.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Also, please let me know how your mailing address should appear on the
>
>  mailing label. If you have any questions, please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator
> patcam at python.org
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:28:23 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:58:23 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910210010g5fd6f78bob5a1520b12ec4088@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
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Congrats man!

Also let you know that I am free for the party

Ramdas

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> Congratulations Noufal!!
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
>> Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:09 AM
>> Subject: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
>> To: noufal at gmail.com
>> Cc: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
>>
>>
>> Hi Noufal Ibrahim:
>>
>>
>>
>> My name is Pat Campbell and I am the administrator for the Python
>>
>> Software Foundation (PSF). I work very closely with Steve Holden,
>>
>> Chairman of the PSF. My reason for emailing you is to verify your
>>
>> mailing address because I will be sending you your PSF Community
>>
>> Award Certificate. So, could you please forward your mailing
>>
>> address to me as soon as possible?
>>
>> Please see excerpt from website:
>> http://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/
>>
>> regarding your award below:
>>
>> Recognition will take the form of an award certificate plus one of the
>>   following:
>>
>>
>>
>> A cash award of up to $600, allowing a single award to a US taxpayer
>> to be made without
>>
>> requiring any formalities;
>>
>>
>>
>> or
>>
>>
>>
>> Free registration at PyCon, with optionally a contribution of up to
>> $500 towards the
>>
>> recipient's travel and accommodation expenses. This award would be
>> preferred for recipients
>>
>> from outside the USA, as there are fewer tax implications.
>>
>>
>>
>> **If you select cash and are a non-US resident, please forward a TIN
>> tax form to Kurt Kaiser at kbk at shore.net.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Also, please let me know how your mailing address should appear on the
>>
>>  mailing label. If you have any questions, please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pat Campbell
>> PSF Administrator
>> patcam at python.org
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 21 12:48:16 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:18:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910210228mb045db7i8d4d94ad16cef9cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <200910211618.16290.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 21 Oct 2009 2:58:23 pm Ramdas S wrote:
> Also let you know that I am free for the party

on which side of the counter?

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From aditya1729 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 15:53:49 2009
From: aditya1729 at gmail.com (adit. g33k)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:23:49 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <200910211618.16290.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3d62196a0910210010g5fd6f78bob5a1520b12ec4088@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6e38f9f00910210228mb045db7i8d4d94ad16cef9cb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910211618.16290.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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yooyoyoyoy congos Noufal

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wednesday 21 Oct 2009 2:58:23 pm Ramdas S wrote:
> > Also let you know that I am free for the party
>
> on which side of the counter?
>
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 21:33:59 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:03:59 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <cc32a6340910210653u3a6e8411na1093cbf7ad1db93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0910210010g5fd6f78bob5a1520b12ec4088@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00910210228mb045db7i8d4d94ad16cef9cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910211618.16290.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<cc32a6340910210653u3a6e8411na1093cbf7ad1db93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910211233oc2f49b7leed9d3b98831a258@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone. I just got this today morning and it hasn't sunk in
yet. I feel *very* happy. :)

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From agoldgod at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 06:56:41 2009
From: agoldgod at gmail.com (goldgod a)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:26:41 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910211233oc2f49b7leed9d3b98831a258@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0910210010g5fd6f78bob5a1520b12ec4088@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00910210228mb045db7i8d4d94ad16cef9cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910211618.16290.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<cc32a6340910210653u3a6e8411na1093cbf7ad1db93@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910211233oc2f49b7leed9d3b98831a258@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <105c9ccc0910212156w291efda0p72c527cd4879d061@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nofual,

Congratulations!!! Great !!!

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks everyone. I just got this today morning and it hasn't sunk in
> yet. I feel *very* happy. :)
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
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>



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From gora at srijan.in  Thu Oct 22 07:13:35 2009
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:43:35 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910211233oc2f49b7leed9d3b98831a258@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9963e56e0910211233oc2f49b7leed9d3b98831a258@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091022104335.1da02ca2@anubis>

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:03:59 +0530
Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks everyone. I just got this today morning and it hasn't sunk
> in yet. I feel *very* happy. :)
[...]

Belated congratulations! From what I have seen on this list, you
were instrumental in making Pycon India happen, and I have admired
your patience and willingness to work with people. Great work.

Regards,
Gora

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 08:58:20 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:28:20 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910222358o76acaea5y960fb857c864a5a3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
  Kunal and I spoke to a lawyer recommended by Ramdas yesterday
evening. Here's the scoop.

  0. We're registering a society rather than a trust which will be an
India wide thing.
  1. We need 8 to 10 people here with address proofs to be on the
board of the society.
  2. We need an official address for the society so if there's anyone
here who's got a permanent address in B'lore (eg. an office or
something), it'd be nice if we can use that.
  3. The lawyer will send me the boilerplate constitution which I will
forward here so that we can review it and then send it back to him. He
will also send me the approx. cost of doing this today.

 We need to close on items 1 and 2 and communicate that back to the lawyers.

Thanks.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 09:07:43 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:37:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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Noufal,

I could be of some use on Item 1 as I have an address proof.

As for Item 2 I have a permanent address in B'lore, but it's residential
address.
Would that be of any use?

Regards,
Arvind

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>  Kunal and I spoke to a lawyer recommended by Ramdas yesterday
> evening. Here's the scoop.
>
>  0. We're registering a society rather than a trust which will be an
> India wide thing.
>  1. We need 8 to 10 people here with address proofs to be on the
> board of the society.
>  2. We need an official address for the society so if there's anyone
> here who's got a permanent address in B'lore (eg. an office or
> something), it'd be nice if we can use that.
>  3. The lawyer will send me the boilerplate constitution which I will
> forward here so that we can review it and then send it back to him. He
> will also send me the approx. cost of doing this today.
>
>  We need to close on items 1 and 2 and communicate that back to the
> lawyers.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 09:11:00 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:41:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Noufal,
>
> I could be of some use on Item 1 as I have an address proof.
>
> As for Item 2 I have a permanent address in B'lore, but it's residential
> address.
> Would that be of any use?[..]

I think so. According to the solicitor, we need an address for the
society (which makes sense) for communication etc. Most of these
things are just legal requirements. Our *real* requirement as of now
is to have a legal entity which can have a bank account.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 09:17:27 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:47:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> ?Kunal and I spoke to a lawyer recommended by Ramdas yesterday
> evening. Here's the scoop.
>
> ?0. We're registering a society rather than a trust which will be an
> India wide thing.
> ?1. We need 8 to 10 people here with address proofs to be on the
> board of the society.
> ?2. We need an official address for the society so if there's anyone
> here who's got a permanent address in B'lore (eg. an office or
> something), it'd be nice if we can use that.

I have a permanent address in bangalore. I have a copy of the Indlinux
society constitution  which I'm a part of it you interested I can pass
the society details in private. If you are interested , looking to
frame constitution based on it.

regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From vid at svaksha.com  Fri Oct 23 09:18:02 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:03:02 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:52, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Noufal,
>
> I could be of some use on Item 1 as I have an address proof.
>
> As for Item 2 I have a permanent address in B'lore, but it's residential
> address.
> Would that be of any use?

Same here (as in, not office), so it might be nicer to cast a wide net
by pinging others on the bangpypers list if its not OT there :)

-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 09:18:43 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:48:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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Ok. If that's the case I am willing to coordinate with you on this.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Noufal,
> >
> > I could be of some use on Item 1 as I have an address proof.
> >
> > As for Item 2 I have a permanent address in B'lore, but it's residential
> > address.
> > Would that be of any use?[..]
>
> I think so. According to the solicitor, we need an address for the
> society (which makes sense) for communication etc. Most of these
> things are just legal requirements. Our *real* requirement as of now
> is to have a legal entity which can have a bank account.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 09:22:28 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:52:28 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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> ?2. We need an official address for the society so if there's anyone
> here who's got a permanent address in B'lore (eg. an office or
> something), it'd be nice if we can use that.

I suggest taking help of Dinesh (Janastu) for this. He has a permanent
address in Bangalore.

For those who don't know him, Dinesh helped us to manage PyCon India
funds by routing them through his non-profit Janastu. He also runs a
software company Servelots.

http://janastu.org
http://servelots.com

Anand

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 10:29:38 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:59:38 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ?2. We need an official address for the society so if there's anyone
>> here who's got a permanent address in B'lore (eg. an office or
>> something), it'd be nice if we can use that.
>
> I suggest taking help of Dinesh (Janastu) for this. He has a permanent
> address in Bangalore.
>
> For those who don't know him, Dinesh helped us to manage PyCon India
> funds by routing them through his non-profit Janastu. He also runs a
> software company Servelots.

+1 for Dinesh . He is in good terms with all the non profit and also
commercial organizations. Will be an asset, if he is a signatory  too.


-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Oct 23 10:44:55 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:14:55 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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References: <9963e56e0910222358o76acaea5y960fb857c864a5a3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 23 Oct 2009 12:28:20 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> 1. We need 8 to 10 people here with address proofs to be on the
> board of the society.

do you need people from all over India for this, or is it ok if everyone is 
from bangalore?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 11:00:32 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:30:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Friday 23 Oct 2009 12:28:20 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> 1. We need 8 to 10 people here with address proofs to be on the
>> board of the society.
>
> do you need people from all over India for this, or is it ok if everyone is
> from bangalore?

IMHO , It would be ideal if the board is spread through out India not
just for the folks in Bangalore. But its a time consuming process.
Hard deadlines need to be set in place.  My experiences with Indlinux
foundation, is that getting signatures from all the members through
India took us like an additional 2 months,  since one person had to
send the society papers with address proofs to each every other
member, before it went to the coordinator.   It was inevitable in our
case, as we need a language (natural) representative from every state.
This is not a constraint for python folks ;-)


regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 11:24:56 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:54:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ?2. We need an official address for the society so if there's anyone
>>> here who's got a permanent address in B'lore (eg. an office or
>>> something), it'd be nice if we can use that.
>>
>> I suggest taking help of Dinesh (Janastu) for this. He has a permanent
>> address in Bangalore.
>>
>> For those who don't know him, Dinesh helped us to manage PyCon India
>> funds by routing them through his non-profit Janastu. He also runs a
>> software company Servelots.
>
> +1 for Dinesh . He is in good terms with all the non profit and also
> commercial organizations. Will be an asset, if he is a signatory ?too.[..]

+1 for Dinesh. This, of course, is if he agrees. :)

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 11:25:25 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:55:25 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Friday 23 Oct 2009 12:28:20 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> 1. We need 8 to 10 people here with address proofs to be on the
>> board of the society.
>
> do you need people from all over India for this, or is it ok if everyone is
> from bangalore?

I believe it's okay if everyone is from B'lore but I'll double check
with the solicitor tonight.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Fri Oct 23 11:27:27 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:57:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Friday 23 Oct 2009 1:59:38 pm Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> > For those who don't know him, Dinesh helped us to manage PyCon India
> > funds by routing them through his non-profit Janastu. He also runs a
> > software company Servelots.
>
> +1 for Dinesh . He is in good terms with all the non profit and also
> commercial organizations. Will be an asset, if he is a signatory  too.

+1 here too - although he is a java guy ;-)
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 11:38:22 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:08:22 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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>> +1 for Dinesh . He is in good terms with all the non profit and also
>> commercial organizations. Will be an asset, if he is a signatory ?too.
>
> +1 here too - although he is a java guy ;-)

Not really. They've developed (or developing) a school management
application in Django.

Anand

From sree at mahiti.org  Fri Oct 23 11:47:40 2009
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:17:40 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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>
> >
> > +1 for Dinesh . He is in good terms with all the non profit and also
> > commercial organizations. Will be an asset, if he is a signatory
>  too.[..]
>
> +1 for Dinesh. This, of course, is if he agrees. :)
>

+1. He has a great mix of exposure to both commercial and non-profit. I feel
Mahiti is suitable too. But I need to take my board's approval. I am not
sure how much time we have in hand :(

-- 
Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
Executive Director
Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
# 33-34, 2nd Floor,
Hennur Cross, Hennur Road,
Bangalore, India - 560043
Phone:  +91 80 4115 0580/1
Mobile:  +91 98455 12611
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Oct 23 11:55:03 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:25:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Friday 23 Oct 2009 3:08:22 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> >> +1 for Dinesh . He is in good terms with all the non profit and also
> >> commercial organizations. Will be an asset, if he is a signatory  too.
> >
> > +1 here too - although he is a java guy ;-)
>
> Not really. They've developed (or developing) a school management
> application in Django.

cool
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 12:09:58 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:39:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > +1 for Dinesh . He is in good terms with all the non profit and also
>> > commercial organizations. Will be an asset, if he is a signatory
>> > ?too.[..]
>>
>> +1 for Dinesh. This, of course, is if he agrees. :)
>
> +1. He has a great mix of exposure to both commercial and non-profit. I feel
> Mahiti is suitable too. But I need to take my board's approval. I am not
> sure how much time we have in hand :(

Lots of +1s. I shall call him later today.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 13:10:13 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:40:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Congratulations...
Message-ID: <a13a3b480910230410p18ba6c5bjfdb86d233ea7cebd@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Noufal,
Congratulations !!!  Being recognized by the PSF is wonderful news.

Vishal

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> yooyoyoyoy congos Noufal
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 21 Oct 2009 2:58:23 pm Ramdas S wrote:
> > > Also let you know that I am free for the party
> >
> > on which side of the counter?
> >
> > --
> > regards
> > Kenneth Gonsalves
> > Senior Project Officer
> > NRC-FOSS
> > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
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> From: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference <inpycon at python.org>
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> Thanks everyone. I just got this today morning and it hasn't sunk in
> yet. I feel *very* happy. :)
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:26:41 +0530
> From: goldgod a <agoldgod at gmail.com>
> To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference <inpycon at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
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> Hi Nofual,
>
> Congratulations!!! Great !!!
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks everyone. I just got this today morning and it hasn't sunk in
> > yet. I feel *very* happy. :)
> >
> > --
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > _______________________________________________
> > Inpycon mailing list
> > Inpycon at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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> From: Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in>
> To: inpycon at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
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> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:03:59 +0530
> Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks everyone. I just got this today morning and it hasn't sunk
> > in yet. I feel *very* happy. :)
> [...]
>
> Belated congratulations! From what I have seen on this list, you
> were instrumental in making Pycon India happen, and I have admired
> your patience and willingness to work with people. Great work.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
>
>
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 13:33:30 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:03:30 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Legal body formation
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910230433y5146845dyc967c85ff9600d4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


>Hello everyone,
>  Kunal and I spoke to a lawyer recommended by Ramdas yesterday
>evening. Here's the scoop.
>
>  0. We're registering a society rather than a trust which will be an
>India wide thing.
>  1. We need 8 to 10 people here with address proofs to be on the
>board of the society.

Is this merit based or address proof based ? If it is
the former, you can consider me. I also happen to have
an address proof in the place I stay.

I guess I could be of some use to the society.

>  2. We need an official address for the society so if there's anyone
>here who's got a permanent address in B'lore (eg. an office or
>something), it'd be nice if we can use that.
>  3. The lawyer will send me the boilerplate constitution which I will
>forward here so that we can review it and then send it back to him. He
>will also send me the approx. cost of doing this today.
>
> We need to close on items 1 and 2 and communicate that back to the lawyers.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--
>~noufal
>http://nibrahim.net.in <http://nibrahim.net.in/>

Thanks,

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From vid at svaksha.com  Sat Oct 24 06:51:29 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:36:29 +0545
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af00910232151o51554fe2sf57eebad7355e19e@mail.gmail.com>

Noufal, Your willingness to trust strangers (like me) and zero need
for control resulted in a collaborative team across cities. Congrats,
you deserve the credit :) vid.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:51, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
> Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:09 AM
> Subject: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
> To: noufal at gmail.com
> Cc: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
>
>
> Hi Noufal Ibrahim:
>
>
>
> My name is Pat Campbell and I am the administrator for the Python
>
> Software Foundation (PSF). I work very closely with Steve Holden,
>
> Chairman of the PSF. My reason for emailing you is to verify your
>
> mailing address because I will be sending you your PSF Community
>
> Award Certificate. So, could you please forward your mailing
>
> address to me as soon as possible?
>
> Please see excerpt from website:
> http://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/
>
> regarding your award below:
>
> Recognition will take the form of an award certificate plus one of the
> ? following:
>
>
>
> A cash award of up to $600, allowing a single award to a US taxpayer
> to be made without
>
> requiring any formalities;
>
>
>
> or
>
>
>
> Free registration at PyCon, with optionally a contribution of up to
> $500 towards the
>
> recipient's travel and accommodation expenses. This award would be
> preferred for recipients
>
> from outside the USA, as there are fewer tax implications.
>
>
>
> **If you select cash and are a non-US resident, please forward a TIN
> tax form to Kurt Kaiser at kbk at shore.net.
>
>
>
>
>
> ?Also, please let me know how your mailing address should appear on the
>
> ?mailing label. If you have any questions, please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator
> patcam at python.org
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sat Oct 24 13:42:27 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:12:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] chennaipy meet
Message-ID: <200910241712.27615.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

FYI:
http://groups.google.com/group/chennaipy/web/meeting-on-24th-october
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 17:14:04 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:44:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Society vs. trust
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910250914i35374818n90f05f90462d336f@mail.gmail.com>

Now I see why people don't like law/lawyers. :)
Is there a document somewhere describing the pros and cons of a trust
vs. society?

>From what I've gleaned from the conversations here, a society is more
transparent and would work better for our purposes but a trust is
quicker and simpler. Is there anything else I should be aware of? The
lawyer himself recommends a trust since it's easier to setup up and
run.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Mon Oct 26 01:28:51 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:58:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Society vs. trust
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910250914i35374818n90f05f90462d336f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910250914i35374818n90f05f90462d336f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910260558.51394.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Sunday 25 Oct 2009 9:44:04 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> Now I see why people don't like law/lawyers. :)

when I was practising law, I had a friend who would frequently make comments 
like the above - basically he was of the view that all lawyers are sharks and 
are uninterested in justice. Then one day he was caught for not wearing a 
helmet when riding his bike. He came to me to represent him. Actually he 
always used to wear a helmet, but on that day he forgot. Unfortunately for him 
this is a statutory offence and 'forgot' is not a defence. But there was a 
loophole which I could exploit - so I asked him: 'do you want to get off or do 
you want justice?' You can easily guess his reply.

> Is there a document somewhere describing the pros and cons of a trust
> vs. society?
>
> >From what I've gleaned from the conversations here, a society is more
>
> transparent and would work better for our purposes but a trust is
> quicker and simpler. Is there anything else I should be aware of? The
> lawyer himself recommends a trust since it's easier to setup up and
> run.

yes - very easy. What is not easy is unseating the trustees. A trust is used 
when the trustee/trustees control the source of funds - and do not want others 
to have authority over the funds. This is not the case here.

-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 06:17:33 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:47:33 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PSF Community Service Award - Recipient
In-Reply-To: <12470af00910232151o51554fe2sf57eebad7355e19e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e324e3c0910201739x7c0873cfn10b0049838e4cc96@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910202206n1c28b27aye641a65a9b2d688e@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00910232151o51554fe2sf57eebad7355e19e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910252217t3a2ebdb5ib96a8516464593e7@mail.gmail.com>

It's official now -
http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2009/10/third-quarter-community-service-awards.html
[..]


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 06:34:08 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:04:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Society vs. trust
In-Reply-To: <200910260558.51394.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
References: <9963e56e0910250914i35374818n90f05f90462d336f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910260558.51394.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910252234k6eeef1e8pf09102b02095b103@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon at thenilgiris.com>wrote:

> On Sunday 25 Oct 2009 9:44:04 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > Now I see why people don't like law/lawyers. :)
>
> when I was practising law, I had a friend who would frequently make
> comments
> like the above - basically he was of the view that all lawyers are sharks
> and
> are uninterested in justice. Then one day he was caught for not wearing a
> helmet when riding his bike. He came to me to represent him. Actually he
> always used to wear a helmet, but on that day he forgot. Unfortunately for
> him
> this is a statutory offence and 'forgot' is not a defence. But there was a
> loophole which I could exploit - so I asked him: 'do you want to get off or
> do
> you want justice?' You can easily guess his reply.
>
> > Is there a document somewhere describing the pros and cons of a trust
> > vs. society?
> >
> > >From what I've gleaned from the conversations here, a society is more
> >
> > transparent and would work better for our purposes but a trust is
> > quicker and simpler. Is there anything else I should be aware of? The
> > lawyer himself recommends a trust since it's easier to setup up and
> > run.
>
> yes - very easy. What is not easy is unseating the trustees. A trust is
> used
> when the trustee/trustees control the source of funds - and do not want
> others
> to have authority over the funds. This is not the case here.
>


My two cents ( I am no lawyer) is to go in for a society. Hold elections
every year at Pycon, and have a resolution that no one can hold on to  the
same post for more than two years consecutively, to avoid any possible
hijacking associated with some of the Foss conferences in the country!

I think we must have a new thread on discussing the agenda in detail on
goals of the society. This should help us have a clearer picture....

> --
> regards
> kg
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com
> _______________________________________________
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 06:43:18 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:13:18 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] directions for the new society/trust/?
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910252243u5821945do1d377aceb14f8f70@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,



Since we are very close to forming a society to run Pycon India and
hopefully promote Python and Pythonic activities, it?s important to form an
agenda clarifying the exact plans for the society. Here are some questions
which I have and would like to seek opinion of everyone in the group, which
should give some directions into future.



1)      Should the society be only run to manage funds and organize of Pycon
India, and similar conferences?

2)      If not, what are the other activities which the society must
involve?

3)      More specifically, what are the other activities a society can get
involved, other than organizing Pycon?

4)      What should be the legal relationship with PSF? Should we have only
an informal relationship or a legal relationship (like a chapter of PSF)?

5)       Should this be a society or a trust?

6)      What all can the new society do to encourage Python based
development in the country?




Thanks

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From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 06:58:29 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:28:29 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] directions for the new society/trust/?
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910252243u5821945do1d377aceb14f8f70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00910252243u5821945do1d377aceb14f8f70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910252258w59dd08a1gf99421d8cb294558@mail.gmail.com>

> 1)????? Should the society be only run to manage funds and organize of Pycon
> India, and similar conferences?

No.

> 2)????? If not, what are the other activities which the society must
> involve?

We don't have to formalize this now. New ideas will come out once the
machine starts functioning.

> 3)????? More specifically, what are the other activities a society can get
> involved, other than organizing Pycon?

There could be many. Some that came to my mind:

* Help Prabhu Ramachandran's group in promoting SciPy
* Offer Python Trainings in various colleges
* Help creation of more Python user groups
* Connect students trying to do projects in Python with mentors
* Do a study to find the blocks in adopting Python in corporate environments

> 4)????? What should be the legal relationship with PSF? Should we have only
> an informal relationship or a legal relationship (like a chapter of PSF)?

Legal means more responsibilities and bookkeeping. I think having
blessings of PSF is good enough.

> 5)????? ?Should this be a society or a trust?

Society.

> 6)????? What all can the new society do to encourage Python based
> development in the country?

Same as question 3.

Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 08:22:45 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:52:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] directions for the new society/trust/?
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910252243u5821945do1d377aceb14f8f70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00910252243u5821945do1d377aceb14f8f70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910260022t42da1454n337946a82ab2600d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Since we are very close to forming a society to run Pycon India and
> hopefully promote Python and Pythonic activities, it?s important to form an
> agenda clarifying the exact plans for the society. Here are some questions
> which I have and would like to seek opinion of everyone in the group, which
> should give some directions into future.
>
>
>
> 1)      Should the society be only run to manage funds and organize of
> Pycon India, and similar conferences?
>

                   In the short run, Yes, because this seems to be the
primary thinking
                   right now. In the long run, it should try to do more
things. When I say short
                   run, I am speaking of a window of 1-2 years for the
society to mature
                  and get a foot-in, so to speak.

> 2)      If not, what are the other activities which the society must
> involve?
>
> 3)      More specifically, what are the other activities a society can get
> involved, other than organizing Pycon?
>
                    I conceive organizing Python sprints as an area to work
on. One thing
                    lagging from India and even Asia is the number of
contributors to the Python
                    language itself. The society can help organize such
sprints and encourage
                    college students and new Python programmers to
contribute to Python
                    language, perhaps as part of SoC like projects or
otherwise. But I see
                    this as an important area to take Python adoption to the
next level.


> 4)      What should be the legal relationship with PSF? Should we have
> only an informal relationship or a legal relationship (like a chapter of
> PSF)?
>

                   Frankly, I am ambivalent here. It sounds good to be part
of the PSF in
                   as a chapter, but this of course will involve additional
reporting and
                   accounting formalities. IMHO, initially we should not aim
for this and only
                   keep this as a very probable future path.


> 5)       Should this be a society or a trust?
>
                   Society.

> 6)      What all can the new society do to encourage Python based
> development in the country?
>

                     Same as (2) & (3) above.



>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
Regards,

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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 08:28:33 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:58:33 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] directions for the new society/trust/?
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910252243u5821945do1d377aceb14f8f70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00910252243u5821945do1d377aceb14f8f70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910260028k53deea3o8b61c82e8d5a781c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> 1)????? Should the society be only run to manage funds and organize of Pycon
> India, and similar conferences?

For now, that's the only thing we need it for. Like you mentioned at
one of our meetings, we'll make a society with some boilerplate and
then amend if necessary.


> 2)????? If not, what are the other activities which the society must
> involve?

In the future, encouraging Python development here in India
  - Sprints (like Anand Pillai mentioned)
  - Perhaps if funds are sufficient, stalls at FOSS events
  - Helping local Python projects with computing resources if we can afford it.
  - As the keeper of hardware which can help with user group
meetings/conferences (eg. power strips, camera etc.)

There are lots of things we can do depending on our funds and
engagement. But let's start of with just a legal entity to hold the
money.

> 3)????? More specifically, what are the other activities a society can get
> involved, other than organizing Pycon?

Q2. above.

> 4)????? What should be the legal relationship with PSF? Should we have only
> an informal relationship or a legal relationship (like a chapter of PSF)?

Let's make a detached thing with the blessings of the PSF. Later, if
there's tangible benefit in being a chapter, we can do that as well.

> 5)????? ?Should this be a society or a trust?

IANAL but I think a society is better from what I've heard. The lawyer
suggests a trust since the setup overhead will be lesser.

> 6)????? What all can the new society do to encourage Python based
> development in the country?

Q2 but this is a broad question and I'm sure if we brainstorm, we can
get more ideas.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sree at mahiti.org  Mon Oct 26 08:13:01 2009
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:43:01 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Society vs. trust
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910252234k6eeef1e8pf09102b02095b103@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910250914i35374818n90f05f90462d336f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910260558.51394.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
	<6e38f9f00910252234k6eeef1e8pf09102b02095b103@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <313529610910260013y661174bfs5ebc92e9ca55bbba@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

> > Is there a document somewhere describing the pros and cons of a trust
>> > vs. society?
>> >
>> > >From what I've gleaned from the conversations here, a society is more
>> >
>> > transparent and would work better for our purposes but a trust is
>> > quicker and simpler. Is there anything else I should be aware of? The
>> > lawyer himself recommends a trust since it's easier to setup up and
>> > run.
>>
>> yes - very easy. What is not easy is unseating the trustees. A trust is
>> used
>> when the trustee/trustees control the source of funds - and do not want
>> others
>> to have authority over the funds. This is not the case here.
>>
>
>
> My two cents ( I am no lawyer) is to go in for a society. Hold elections
> every year at Pycon, and have a resolution that no one can hold on to  the
> same post for more than two years consecutively, to avoid any possible
> hijacking associated with some of the Foss conferences in the country!
>

I appreciate the speed at which you people are moving forward on this. I
request you all to also check with an auditor and understand the statutory
obligations and liabilities.
These overheads need to be understood and also the implications for not
fulfilling them before we collectively move forward.
Regards,
- sree
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:56:56 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:26:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910200224u21251fb2mc702316cbaacc61f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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	<6e38f9f00910200159x3dca26b0s7c044a78125d02e4@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9963e56e0910260456k80cc1f5p2c8f802613382a00@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I dont think static html is a nice idea. if all content have permalinks,
>> then stick to that.
>
> Why is it a bad idea?
> The links will continue to stay the same even after converting to static html.

Can someone take care of taking the site software offline and
converting it into static pages?

Thanks.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 13:16:41 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:46:41 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910260456k80cc1f5p2c8f802613382a00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org> 
	<41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910192247jb50d4cexf16e4bd79dc60542@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6e38f9f00910200159x3dca26b0s7c044a78125d02e4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910200224u21251fb2mc702316cbaacc61f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910260456k80cc1f5p2c8f802613382a00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910260516nda98e9ay46c5bbead58e2d01@mail.gmail.com>

> Can someone take care of taking the site software offline and
> converting it into static pages?

I'll do that.

Anand

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 20:33:12 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:03:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] {Cross Post }-- Django project for schools
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910271233s53386cdal8f39cfffb88527df@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I heard someone mention about working on some open source project for
schools on Django somewhere in one of the groups.

Can the developers of this project, kindly stand up please ?


Thanks

-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065
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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 02:58:07 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:28:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] {Cross Post }-- Django project for schools
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910271233s53386cdal8f39cfffb88527df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00910271233s53386cdal8f39cfffb88527df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910271858s2754f535p818e6a573567a353@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I heard someone mention about working on some open source project for
> schools on Django somewhere in one of the groups.
>
> Can the developers of this project, kindly stand up please ?

Contact dinesh at servelots.com. He is the coordinator of that project
and he'll be able to get you in touch with the developers.

Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 12:05:39 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:39 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] server reconfiguration
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910260516nda98e9ay46c5bbead58e2d01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910151012.19209.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910151226.06533.lawgon@au-kbc.org> 
	<41139fcb0910190850p55fcc4absfa912cadbcf074e0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910201056.15915.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910192247jb50d4cexf16e4bd79dc60542@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6e38f9f00910200159x3dca26b0s7c044a78125d02e4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910200224u21251fb2mc702316cbaacc61f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910260456k80cc1f5p2c8f802613382a00@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910260516nda98e9ay46c5bbead58e2d01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910300405u7862b20r66965635eb3232aa@mail.gmail.com>

I've crawled http://in.pycon.org site and processed the files to fix
links. Preview of that is available at:

http://pyconindia.anandology.com

Some pages are missing from http://in.pycon.org website which were
used to exist before.

http://in.pycon.org/2009/base/Important%20Dates/
http://in.pycon.org/2009/base/Site%20Howto/
http://in.pycon.org/2009/base/Call%20for%20Proposals/
http://in.pycon.org/2009/base/Sponsors%20for%20the%20Event/#zeomega

Some of them are  present in google cache still.

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:8SdVEku7CboJ:in.pycon.org/2009/base/Site%2520Howto/
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:DhykNbGBbngJ:in.pycon.org/2009/base/Call%2520for%2520Proposals/

Kenneth, can you please fix them soon?
Also please provide me dump of the database and tarball of code
running the website so that I can archive it permanently.

Anand