From alan.gauld at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan 14 20:02:29 2021
From: alan.gauld at yahoo.co.uk (Alan Gauld)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 01:02:29 +0000
Subject: [Idle-dev] how to run a program
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On 25/12/2020 19:10, kostas margelos wrote:
> To whom it may concern,
> 
> I just installed python 3.9.1(64bit) on my pc and trying to learn how to
> program.

There are a ton of videos on YouTube on starting with IDLE,
try watching one of those. If your bandwidth is limited an old-school
text/graphics tutorial is here:

https://www.hashcollision.org/hkn/python/idle_intro/

It's very old (uses Python v2.4!) but apart from needing to
put () around your print strings it's still valid.

ie use

print("Hello")

instead of

print "Hello"

Or look at the introductory sections in my tutorial(see below)
for other options.

-- 
Alan G
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.alan-g.me.uk/
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From bhermannegro at bhermann.space  Wed Jan 20 05:18:59 2021
From: bhermannegro at bhermann.space (bhermannegro at bhermann.space)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 11:18:59 +0100
Subject: [Idle-dev] shortcuts 4 file menu don't work
Message-ID: <e19bc0a594bc135827a871943e0d2440@bhermann.space>

Hello all !

sorry to send this, but i didn't find anything on the web even on 
google.

It is about idle-python 3.8 and 3.9 on kubuntu (ubuntu + plasma kde) 20:

1) about, shortcuts for open, close files etc.. do not work (CNTR+X or 
CNTR+S ... +O and so on)

2) with  the mouse, ok, i can do the commands, but the file's names 
won't immediately appear (must "onmouseover" the square icons in the 
menu to let appears the name's files.)

bye for now!

bruno

From tjreedy at udel.edu  Wed Jan 20 23:58:45 2021
From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 23:58:45 -0500
Subject: [Idle-dev] shortcuts 4 file menu don't work
In-Reply-To: <e19bc0a594bc135827a871943e0d2440@bhermann.space>
References: <e19bc0a594bc135827a871943e0d2440@bhermann.space>
Message-ID: <rub1m6$g5s$1@ciao.gmane.io>

On 1/20/2021 5:18 AM, bhermannegro at bhermann.space wrote:
> Hello all !
> 
> sorry to send this, but i didn't find anything on the web even on google.
> 
> It is about idle-python 3.8 and 3.9 on kubuntu (ubuntu + plasma kde) 20:
> 
> 1) about, shortcuts for open, close files etc.. do not work (CNTR+X or 
> CNTR+S ... +O and so on)
> 
> 2) with? the mouse, ok, i can do the commands, but the file's names 
> won't immediately appear (must "onmouseover" the square icons in the 
> menu to let appears the name's files.)

I am aware that shortcuts are messed up on Mac.  It would probably help 
to know if this Linux issue is kubuntu only, ubuntu only, or general linus.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy



From taleinat at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 03:16:49 2021
From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 10:16:49 +0200
Subject: [Idle-dev] shortcuts 4 file menu don't work
In-Reply-To: <rub1m6$g5s$1@ciao.gmane.io>
References: <e19bc0a594bc135827a871943e0d2440@bhermann.space>
 <rub1m6$g5s$1@ciao.gmane.io>
Message-ID: <CALWZvp4iSb984uRy=iUne6QuxJRvDV6=zc_MpVo0Fiaq2g740Q@mail.gmail.com>

The shortcuts work as expected for me with Python 3.8 and 3.9 (installed
via apt) on Ubuntu 20.04 with the default window manager.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:59 AM Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote:

> On 1/20/2021 5:18 AM, bhermannegro at bhermann.space wrote:
> > Hello all !
> >
> > sorry to send this, but i didn't find anything on the web even on google.
> >
> > It is about idle-python 3.8 and 3.9 on kubuntu (ubuntu + plasma kde) 20:
> >
> > 1) about, shortcuts for open, close files etc.. do not work (CNTR+X or
> > CNTR+S ... +O and so on)
> >
> > 2) with  the mouse, ok, i can do the commands, but the file's names
> > won't immediately appear (must "onmouseover" the square icons in the
> > menu to let appears the name's files.)
>
> I am aware that shortcuts are messed up on Mac.  It would probably help
> to know if this Linux issue is kubuntu only, ubuntu only, or general linus.
>
> --
> Terry Jan Reedy
>
>
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From m.wichmann at ieee.org  Thu Jan 21 11:17:02 2021
From: m.wichmann at ieee.org (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:17:02 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] shortcuts 4 file menu don't work
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 <rub1m6$g5s$1@ciao.gmane.io>
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Same here with Fedora and Linux Mint using Cinnamon.  But those have to be
let through by the wm - that is, Plasma is probably the first place to look.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 1:17 AM Tal Einat <taleinat at gmail.com> wrote:

> The shortcuts work as expected for me with Python 3.8 and 3.9 (installed
> via apt) on Ubuntu 20.04 with the default window manager.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:59 AM Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2021 5:18 AM, bhermannegro at bhermann.space wrote:
>> > Hello all !
>> >
>> > sorry to send this, but i didn't find anything on the web even on
>> google.
>> >
>> > It is about idle-python 3.8 and 3.9 on kubuntu (ubuntu + plasma kde) 20:
>> >
>> > 1) about, shortcuts for open, close files etc.. do not work (CNTR+X or
>> > CNTR+S ... +O and so on)
>> >
>> > 2) with  the mouse, ok, i can do the commands, but the file's names
>> > won't immediately appear (must "onmouseover" the square icons in the
>> > menu to let appears the name's files.)
>>
>> I am aware that shortcuts are messed up on Mac.  It would probably help
>> to know if this Linux issue is kubuntu only, ubuntu only, or general
>> linus.
>>
>> --
>> Terry Jan Reedy
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IDLE-dev mailing list
>> IDLE-dev at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev
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From tjreedy at udel.edu  Fri Jan 22 01:44:01 2021
From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 01:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Idle-dev] shortcuts 4 file menu don't work
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On 1/21/2021 11:17 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> Same here with Fedora and Linux Mint using Cinnamon.? But those have to 
> be let through by the wm - that is, Plasma is probably the first place 
> to look.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 1:17 AM Tal Einat <taleinat at gmail.com 
> <mailto:taleinat at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     The shortcuts work as expected for me with Python 3.8 and 3.9
>     (installed via apt) on Ubuntu 20.04 with the default window manager.
> 
>     On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:59 AM Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu
>     <mailto:tjreedy at udel.edu>> wrote:
> 
>         On 1/20/2021 5:18 AM, bhermannegro at bhermann.space
>         <mailto:bhermannegro at bhermann.space> wrote:
>          > Hello all !
>          >
>          > sorry to send this, but i didn't find anything on the web
>         even on google.
>          >
>          > It is about idle-python 3.8 and 3.9 on kubuntu (ubuntu +
>         plasma kde) 20:
>          >
>          > 1) about, shortcuts for open, close files etc.. do not work
>         (CNTR+X or
>          > CNTR+S ... +O and so on)
>          >
>          > 2) with? the mouse, ok, i can do the commands, but the file's
>         names
>          > won't immediately appear (must "onmouseover" the square icons
>         in the
>          > menu to let appears the name's files.)
> 
>         I am aware that shortcuts are messed up on Mac.? It would
>         probably help
>         to know if this Linux issue is kubuntu only, ubuntu only, or
>         general linus.

Absent information otherwise, I conclude that this is a 3rd-party issue 
between tcl/tk and the kubuntu graphics system.  IDLE calls a tkinter 
method to bind a key action to a Python function.  Tkinter wraps the 
python callback in a tcl function and asks tcl/tk to bind the key action 
to the tcl function.  Getting the key event is between the OS and tcl.


-- 
Terry Jan Reedy