[Idle-dev] [Python-Dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library

[Ronald Oussoren]

On 11 Jul, 2010, at 6:23, Guilherme Polo wrote:

> 2010/7/10 Miki Tebeka <miki.tebeka at gmail.com>:
>> Hello Tal,
>> 
>>> I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
>> -1.
>> One of the biggest "selling points" for me when switching to python was the
>> "out of the box" working IDE with REPL, syntax highliting and a debugger.
>> The only other candidate I think of to replace IDLE might be IPython. However
>> for novice users who are not used to command line it might be too intimidating.
>> 
>> There are my others IDEs out there, some better some worse. However IMO
>> to have one bundled with Python is highly important.
>> 
>>> Cross-platform support has degraded with the increasing popularity of OSX and 64-bit
>>> platforms.
>> I use IDLE on Ubuntu 64bit and before that on OS X 64 bit, never had a
>> problem. Can you give
>> some examples on what do you mean by "cross-platform support"?
>> 
> 
> By "never had a problem" do you mean using some of the latest versions
> ? Here, running "idle" from a mac terminal and trying to type: print
> "hi" crashes when entering the quotation mark. I'm mostly sure this
> has been fixed on versions newer than 2.6.1 (but I hope you agree with
> me that shouldn't happen with a version distributed on macosx), so my
> another example is in the form of a question: how functional is the
> current IDLE debugger when running on a Mac ?

Apple basicly ships whatever is available at a cutoff point in their release cycle, without much if any involvment of the python-dev community. 

Have you tested this behaviour with a newer release of IDLE (the current 2.6.x release and the 2.7 release)?  Does the IDLE application work for you (in "/Applications/Python X.Y" if you installed using a python.org binary installer)?  

And most importantly: have you filed bugs about things that don't work for you?  If you don't file bugs there is little chance that issues get fixed unless some core developer happens to run into the same issue while having time to work on it.

W.r.t. your last question: I don't know, I don't use IDLE or its debugger myself.

Ronald
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