From Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu Thu Apr 1 18:18:42 2010 From: Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu (Bruce Sherwood) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:18:42 -0400 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly In-Reply-To: <19059_1270101919_o3165IQe019838_309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> References: <19059_1270101919_o3165IQe019838_309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> Message-ID: <4BB4C762.4040804@ncsu.edu> Last summer in the context of the Google Summer of Code a Brazilian student named Guilherme Polo fixed a large number of problems with IDLE. Supposedly this will some day end up in the standard Python release. In the meantime, you can get this version, called VIDLE for now, at vpython.org. Perhaps it will solve your problems. Bruce Sherwood On 3/9/2010 7:25 AM, Steffen M?ller-Larsen wrote: > Hi, all > > I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 via an Activepython distribution. I find that IDLE crashes over and over again causing it to freeze completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been saved. I am running it on a fairly new iMac running OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common problem for this version? Thank you in advance. > > Respectfully > > Steffen M?ller-Larsen > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > From Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu Thu Apr 1 19:17:57 2010 From: Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu (Bruce Sherwood) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly In-Reply-To: <23468273-3E6A-4D1D-BF7C-53ACF432DFF2@mac.com> References: <19059_1270101919_o3165IQe019838_309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> <4BB4C762.4040804@ncsu.edu> <23468273-3E6A-4D1D-BF7C-53ACF432DFF2@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BB4D545.3070709@ncsu.edu> Martin L?wis was a co-mentor with me on Polo's project, and L?wis, who is one of the Python developers, said he would make sure that Polo's improvements would go into Python. However, I'll emphasize that I know absolutely nothing about how Python politics works, and absolutely nothing about a possible schedule for the needed update to happen. So the simple answer to your question is no, I have no idea how to work with the Python developers to make this happen, beyond my involvement with last summer's project. I should say that the improvements to IDLE were triggered by David Scherer, who found that in recent years some important aspects of the big changes he made to IDLE in the year 2000 had gotten lost or diluted, and he addressed some of the most serious issues some months before Guilherme Polo began work on IDLE last summer. Polo built on this work and did an excellent job of addressing some other issues as well, Scherer, Polo, and I agreed to call the improved version VIDLE to make it clear that it is "unofficial" and different, but we all hope fervently that VIDLE turns into regular IDLE. My own involvement in this was due to the use of IDLE by thousands of college freshmen who use VPython for computational modeling in the context of the Matter & Interactions physics curriculum developed by Ruth Chabay and me (matterandinteractions.org). Problems with IDLE were getting in the way of our instructional goals. Bruce Sherwood On 4/1/2010 12:41 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > On 1 Apr, 2010, at 18:18, Bruce Sherwood wrote: > > >> Last summer in the context of the Google Summer of Code a Brazilian student named Guilherme Polo fixed a large number of problems with IDLE. Supposedly this will some day end up in the standard Python release. >> > Are you (as one of the vpython maintainers) working with the python developers to make this happen? > > Ronald > > >> In the meantime, you can get this version, called VIDLE for now, at vpython.org. Perhaps it will solve your problems. >> >> Bruce Sherwood >> >> On 3/9/2010 7:25 AM, Steffen M?ller-Larsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, all >>> >>> I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 via an Activepython distribution. I find that IDLE crashes over and over again causing it to freeze completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been saved. I am running it on a fairly new iMac running OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common problem for this version? Thank you in advance. >>> >>> Respectfully >>> >>> Steffen M?ller-Larsen >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IDLE-dev mailing list >>> IDLE-dev at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> IDLE-dev mailing list >> IDLE-dev at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev >> > From ronaldoussoren at mac.com Thu Apr 1 18:41:11 2010 From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:41:11 +0200 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly In-Reply-To: <4BB4C762.4040804@ncsu.edu> References: <19059_1270101919_o3165IQe019838_309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> <4BB4C762.4040804@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <23468273-3E6A-4D1D-BF7C-53ACF432DFF2@mac.com> On 1 Apr, 2010, at 18:18, Bruce Sherwood wrote: > Last summer in the context of the Google Summer of Code a Brazilian student named Guilherme Polo fixed a large number of problems with IDLE. Supposedly this will some day end up in the standard Python release. Are you (as one of the vpython maintainers) working with the python developers to make this happen? Ronald > In the meantime, you can get this version, called VIDLE for now, at vpython.org. Perhaps it will solve your problems. > > Bruce Sherwood > > On 3/9/2010 7:25 AM, Steffen M?ller-Larsen wrote: >> Hi, all >> >> I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 via an Activepython distribution. I find that IDLE crashes over and over again causing it to freeze completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been saved. I am running it on a fairly new iMac running OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common problem for this version? Thank you in advance. >> >> Respectfully >> >> Steffen M?ller-Larsen >> _______________________________________________ >> IDLE-dev mailing list >> IDLE-dev at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3567 bytes Desc: not available URL: From taleinat at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 20:43:22 2010 From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:43:22 +0300 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly In-Reply-To: <4BB4D545.3070709@ncsu.edu> References: <19059_1270101919_o3165IQe019838_309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> <4BB4C762.4040804@ncsu.edu> <23468273-3E6A-4D1D-BF7C-53ACF432DFF2@mac.com> <4BB4D545.3070709@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: Hi guys, nice to see some traffic here again :) VIDLE sounds quite like my IDLE-Spoon fork of IDLE, at least from the "features" list on its page (http://vpython.org/vidle/index.html). Is VIDLE is compatible with Python 3.x? IDLE-Spoon is not (yet). IDLE-Spoon: http://bitbucket.org/taleinat/idle-spoon/wiki/Home I haven't done any work on IDLE-Spoon lately due to lack of perceived interest. If there is some interest, I'd gladly help in merging VIDLE's changes with those in IDLE-Spoon and porting these to Python 2.7 and 3.x. I also have some experience getting changes to IDLE into the mainstream version, which usually mostly involves getting the attention of whoever is currently the official IDLE maintainer (this used to be Kurt B. Kaiser, a.k.a. KBK for quite a few years). On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Sherwood wrote: > Martin L?wis was a co-mentor with me on Polo's project, and L?wis, who is > one of the Python developers, said he would make sure that Polo's > improvements would go into Python. However, I'll emphasize that I know > absolutely nothing about how Python politics works, and absolutely nothing > about a possible schedule for the needed update to happen. So the simple > answer to your question is no, I have no idea how to work with the Python > developers to make this happen, beyond my involvement with last summer's > project. > > I should say that the improvements to IDLE were triggered by David Scherer, > who found that in recent years some important aspects of the big changes he > made to IDLE in the year 2000 had gotten lost or diluted, and he addressed > some of the most serious issues some months before Guilherme Polo began work > on IDLE last summer. Polo built on this work and did an excellent job of > addressing some other issues as well, Scherer, Polo, and I agreed to call > the improved version VIDLE to make it clear that it is "unofficial" and > different, but we all hope fervently that VIDLE turns into regular IDLE. > > My own involvement in this was due to the use of IDLE by thousands of > college freshmen who use VPython for computational modeling in the context > of the Matter & Interactions physics curriculum developed by Ruth Chabay and > me (matterandinteractions.org). Problems with IDLE were getting in the way > of our instructional goals. > > Bruce Sherwood > > > On 4/1/2010 12:41 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >> On 1 Apr, 2010, at 18:18, Bruce Sherwood wrote: >> >> >> >>> Last summer in the context of the Google Summer of Code a Brazilian >>> student named Guilherme Polo fixed a large number of problems with IDLE. >>> Supposedly this will some day end up in the standard Python release. >>> >>> >> Are you (as one of the vpython maintainers) working with the python >> developers to make this happen? >> >> Ronald >> >> >> >>> In the meantime, you can get this version, called VIDLE for now, at >>> vpython.org. Perhaps it will solve your problems. >>> >>> Bruce Sherwood >>> >>> On 3/9/2010 7:25 AM, Steffen M?ller-Larsen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, all >>>> >>>> I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 via an Activepython >>>> distribution. I find that IDLE crashes over and over again causing it to >>>> freeze completely. 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URL: From Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu Sun Apr 4 21:24:30 2010 From: Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu (Bruce Sherwood) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 15:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly In-Reply-To: References: <19059_1270101919_o3165IQe019838_309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> <4BB4C762.4040804@ncsu.edu> <23468273-3E6A-4D1D-BF7C-53ACF432DFF2@mac.com> <4BB4D545.3070709@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <4BB8E76E.7000604@ncsu.edu> I'm not sure whether Guilherme Polo is still following this list, so I've forwarded your note to him for comment, Tal. Bruce Sherwood On 4/4/2010 2:43 PM, Tal Einat wrote: > Hi guys, nice to see some traffic here again :) > > VIDLE sounds quite like my IDLE-Spoon fork of IDLE, at least from the > "features" list on its page (http://vpython.org/vidle/index.html). Is > VIDLE is compatible with Python 3.x? IDLE-Spoon is not (yet). > > IDLE-Spoon: > http://bitbucket.org/taleinat/idle-spoon/wiki/Home > > I haven't done any work on IDLE-Spoon lately due to lack of perceived > interest. If there is some interest, I'd gladly help in merging > VIDLE's changes with those in IDLE-Spoon and porting these to Python > 2.7 and 3.x. > > I also have some experience getting changes to IDLE into the > mainstream version, which usually mostly involves getting the > attention of whoever is currently the official IDLE maintainer (this > used to be Kurt B. Kaiser, a.k.a. KBK for quite a few years). > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Sherwood > > wrote: > > Martin L?wis was a co-mentor with me on Polo's project, and L?wis, > who is one of the Python developers, said he would make sure that > Polo's improvements would go into Python. However, I'll emphasize > that I know absolutely nothing about how Python politics works, > and absolutely nothing about a possible schedule for the needed > update to happen. So the simple answer to your question is no, I > have no idea how to work with the Python developers to make this > happen, beyond my involvement with last summer's project. > > I should say that the improvements to IDLE were triggered by David > Scherer, who found that in recent years some important aspects of > the big changes he made to IDLE in the year 2000 had gotten lost > or diluted, and he addressed some of the most serious issues some > months before Guilherme Polo began work on IDLE last summer. Polo > built on this work and did an excellent job of addressing some > other issues as well, Scherer, Polo, and I agreed to call the > improved version VIDLE to make it clear that it is "unofficial" > and different, but we all hope fervently that VIDLE turns into > regular IDLE. > > My own involvement in this was due to the use of IDLE by thousands > of college freshmen who use VPython for computational modeling in > the context of the Matter & Interactions physics curriculum > developed by Ruth Chabay and me (matterandinteractions.org > ). Problems with IDLE were > getting in the way of our instructional goals. > > Bruce Sherwood > > > On 4/1/2010 12:41 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 1 Apr, 2010, at 18:18, Bruce Sherwood wrote: > > > Last summer in the context of the Google Summer of Code a > Brazilian student named Guilherme Polo fixed a large > number of problems with IDLE. Supposedly this will some > day end up in the standard Python release. > > Are you (as one of the vpython maintainers) working with the > python developers to make this happen? > > Ronald > > > In the meantime, you can get this version, called VIDLE > for now, at vpython.org . Perhaps it > will solve your problems. > > Bruce Sherwood > > On 3/9/2010 7:25 AM, Steffen M?ller-Larsen wrote: > > Hi, all > > I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 > via an Activepython distribution. I find that IDLE > crashes over and over again causing it to freeze > completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been > saved. I am running it on a fairly new iMac running > OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common problem for this version? > Thank you in advance. > > Respectfully > > Steffen M?ller-Larsen > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > > From albert.steine at live.se Thu Apr 1 21:06:32 2010 From: albert.steine at live.se (albert steine) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:06:32 +0200 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE-INTERPRETER Message-ID: MY OPERATING SYSTEM IS WINDOWS VISTA HOME I HAVE INSTALLED PYTHON 2.6.4 WHEN I USE THE KEYWORDS else or elif in any programm it results to Syntax Error-invalid Syntax have any answer? thank-you _________________________________________________________________ Mejla i bussk?n! Hotmail i mobilen http://new.windowslivemobile.msn.com/SE-SE/windows-live-hotmail/default.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taleinat at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 11:12:12 2010 From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:12:12 +0300 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE-INTERPRETER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:06 PM, albert steine wrote: > ????????????????????????????????????????????????? MY OPERATING SYSTEM IS > WINDOWS VISTA HOME > ??????????????????????????? I HAVE INSTALLED PYTHON 2.6.4 > ?????????????????????? WHEN I USE THE KEYWORDS? else or elif? in any > programm it results to > ????????????????????? Syntax Error-invalid Syntax? have any answer? > ??????????????????????????????????? thank-you > Are you placing a colon (":") after each "else" and "elif ..."? Are you making sure that the indentation of the "else" and "elif" are the same as for the "if" statement, while indenting the inner code block further? Finally, this mailing list is for discussing issues specific to IDLE. General Python questions, like your question, should be posting on the comp.lang.python newsgroup (easy via Google Groups) or perhaps Python IRC channels. Good luck! - Tal From chaoslichen at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 11:18:42 2010 From: chaoslichen at gmail.com (Chas Leichner) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 02:18:42 -0700 Subject: [Idle-dev] An IDLE extension for Google Summer of Code Message-ID: IDLE developers, I have been in contact with Greg Wilson of Software Carpentry, discussing possible projects for the Google Summer of Code. He brought up adding a record and playback function as an addition to IDLE so that students could work through writing code dynamically, in the same manner they would with a TA or mentor. To facilitate this, I would like to add an extension module, changes to the core code, or an alternate education version of IDLE that would read from a metafile with instructions to drive the IDE for them, writing code, stopping to explain or ask questions and wait for answers, and highlight sections of the code. As per the advice on the Python GSOC page, I wanted to contact this list, to keep you updated and for your feedback, before I got too far into writing my proposal. Thanks, Chas Leichner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taleinat at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 11:57:41 2010 From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:57:41 +0300 Subject: [Idle-dev] An IDLE extension for Google Summer of Code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Chas Leichner wrote: > IDLE developers, > > I have been in contact with Greg Wilson of Software Carpentry, discussing > possible projects for the Google Summer of Code. He brought up adding a > record and playback function as an addition to IDLE so that students could > work through writing code dynamically, in the same manner they would with a > TA or mentor. To facilitate this, I would like to add an extension module, > changes to the core code, or an alternate education version of IDLE that > would read from a metafile with instructions to drive the IDE for them, > writing code, stopping to explain or ask questions and wait for answers, and > highlight sections of the code. As per the advice on the Python GSOC page, I > wanted to contact this list, to keep you updated and for your feedback, > before I got too far into writing my proposal. > > Thanks, > Chas Leichner Hi Chas, This sounds like a great project! I really hope this goes well, and would love to receive updates on it, e.g. if you start a mailing list or blog about it. May I ask, why not develop something more generic, which allows various types of guided interactive learning, not just via IDLE? On first reading it seems that what you suggest could be achieved with something like Sikuli, without requiring any changes to IDLE. - Tal From ggpolo at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 13:23:00 2010 From: ggpolo at gmail.com (Guilherme Polo) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:23:00 -0300 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly In-Reply-To: References: <19059_1270101919_o3165IQe019838_309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> <4BB4C762.4040804@ncsu.edu> <23468273-3E6A-4D1D-BF7C-53ACF432DFF2@mac.com> <4BB4D545.3070709@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: 2010/4/4 Tal Einat : > Hi guys, nice to see some traffic here again :) > > VIDLE sounds quite like my IDLE-Spoon fork of IDLE, at least from the > "features" list on its page (http://vpython.org/vidle/index.html). Is VIDLE > is compatible with Python 3.x? IDLE-Spoon is not (yet). > VIDLE hasn't been ported to 3.x too, that is what I know at least. > IDLE-Spoon: > http://bitbucket.org/taleinat/idle-spoon/wiki/Home > > I haven't done any work on IDLE-Spoon lately due to lack of perceived > interest. If there is some interest, I'd gladly help in merging VIDLE's > changes with those in IDLE-Spoon and porting these to Python 2.7 and 3.x. > >From what I've seen from the VIDLE code base I can tell you that is is very conservative about the changes applied on it. In fact, most of its earlier changes were already merged in Python's IDLE. IDLE-Spoon adds some good changes, but VIDLE is mostly (from what I understood after reading it) about fixing bugs that would take too long to get into the next python release and also add some other minor but good improvements. It is interesting to see that you mention that forking IDLE may result in a wider user-base because of the inclusion of new interesting features. But I bet that didn't happen, did it ? At some point I though about the possibility of moving IDLE to somewhere else, removing it from python's trunk. It doesn't seem appropriate to include an editor into the stdlib, from my POV it is at least strange. It could continue being distributed with the windows installer, and continue being distributed separately by Linux distributions and etc.. For now what I believe is that forking IDLE is not going to help it in any way, specially because it takes too long to get anything into python's trunk that is outside critical real-life bugs and also because there is a lot of people using IDLE in a first contact with Python and surely doesn't know there is some better fork of it around. > I also have some experience getting changes to IDLE into the mainstream > version, which usually mostly involves getting the attention of whoever is > currently the official IDLE maintainer (this used to be Kurt B. Kaiser, > a.k.a. KBK for quite a few years). > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Sherwood > wrote: >> >> Martin L?wis was a co-mentor with me on Polo's project, and L?wis, who is >> one of the Python developers, said he would make sure that Polo's >> improvements would go into Python. However, I'll emphasize that I know >> absolutely nothing about how Python politics works, and absolutely nothing >> about a possible schedule for the needed update to happen. So the simple >> answer to your question is no, I have no idea how to work with the Python >> developers to make this happen, beyond my involvement with last summer's >> project. >> >> I should say that the improvements to IDLE were triggered by David >> Scherer, who found that in recent years some important aspects of the big >> changes he made to IDLE in the year 2000 had gotten lost or diluted, and he >> addressed some of the most serious issues some months before Guilherme Polo >> began work on IDLE last summer. Polo built on this work and did an excellent >> job of addressing some other issues as well, Scherer, Polo, and I agreed to >> call the improved version VIDLE to make it clear that it is "unofficial" and >> different, but we all hope fervently that VIDLE turns into regular IDLE. >> >> My own involvement in this was due to the use of IDLE by thousands of >> college freshmen who use VPython for computational modeling in the context >> of the Matter & Interactions physics curriculum developed by Ruth Chabay and >> me (matterandinteractions.org). Problems with IDLE were getting in the way >> of our instructional goals. >> >> Bruce Sherwood >> >> On 4/1/2010 12:41 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >>> >>> On 1 Apr, 2010, at 18:18, Bruce Sherwood wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Last summer in the context of the Google Summer of Code a Brazilian >>>> student named Guilherme Polo fixed a large number of problems with IDLE. >>>> Supposedly this will some day end up in the standard Python release. >>>> >>> >>> Are you (as one of the vpython maintainers) working with the python >>> developers to make this happen? >>> >>> Ronald >>> >>> >>>> >>>> In the meantime, you can get this version, called VIDLE for now, at >>>> vpython.org. Perhaps it will solve your problems. >>>> >>>> Bruce Sherwood >>>> >>>> On 3/9/2010 7:25 AM, Steffen M?ller-Larsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, all >>>>> >>>>> I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 via an Activepython >>>>> distribution. I find that IDLE crashes over and over again causing it to >>>>> freeze completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been saved. I am >>>>> running it on a fairly new iMac running OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common problem >>>>> for this version? Thank you in advance. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully >>>>> >>>>> Steffen M?ller-Larsen >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> IDLE-dev mailing list >>>>> IDLE-dev at python.org >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> IDLE-dev mailing list >>>> IDLE-dev at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IDLE-dev mailing list >> IDLE-dev at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > > -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves From cben at users.sf.net Wed Apr 7 14:03:55 2010 From: cben at users.sf.net (Beni Cherniavsky) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE-INTERPRETER References: Message-ID: Tal Einat gmail.com> writes: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:06 PM, albert steine live.se> wrote: > > MY OPERATING SYSTEM IS WINDOWS VISTA HOME > > I HAVE INSTALLED PYTHON 2.6.4 > > WHEN I USE THE KEYWORDS? else or elif? in any programm it results > > to Syntax Error-invalid Syntax? > > have any answer? > > thank-you > > > Are you placing a colon (":") after each "else" and "elif ..."? > > Are you making sure that the indentation of the "else" and "elif" are > the same as for the "if" statement, while indenting the inner code > block further? > In IDLE, the ">>> " prompt should be ignored when indenting, like this: >>> if condition: do_something() else: # <-- correct, although it looks strange do_something_else() If you tried to indent the "else:" to match the "if" like this: >>> if condition: do_something() else: do_something_else() or this: >>> if condition: do_something() else: do_something_else() you'll get and error because the "if" is actually in column 0 (remember, you should imagine the ">>> " isn't there!) while the "else:" is in column 4 or 8. Pressing Backspace before the "else:" should fix the indentation. Hope this helps. -- Beni Cherniavsky From cben at users.sf.net Wed Apr 7 16:08:34 2010 From: cben at users.sf.net (Beni Cherniavsky) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly References: <19059_1270101919_o3165IQe019838_309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> <4BB4C762.4040804@ncsu.edu> <23468273-3E6A-4D1D-BF7C-53ACF432DFF2@mac.com> <4BB4D545.3070709@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: Guilherme Polo gmail.com> writes: > VIDLE hasn't been ported to 3.x too, that is what I know at least. > What's the 2.x/3.x strategy of IDLE? Should I duplicate patches for both 2.x and 3.x simultaneously or is there some shortcut? Also, on what Python and Tk versions should I test patches? [Hi guys. New here, had some experience hacking a diverged relative of IDLE-Spoon a few years ago with Noam Raphael and Tal Einat... Still have an itch to move IDLE forward.] > From what I've seen from the VIDLE code base I can tell you that is is > very conservative about the changes applied on it. In fact, most of > its earlier changes were already merged in Python's IDLE. IDLE-Spoon > adds some good changes, but VIDLE is mostly (from what I understood > after reading it) about fixing bugs that would take too long to get > into the next python release and also add some other minor but good > improvements. > As far as I see, your tk_and_idle_maintenance branch includes all changes in VIDLE - right? But few of your changes has been applied to the trunk? I also see patches in the issue tracker (many by you) that are seemingly ready to be applied, waiting for review a long time. So there are low-hanging fruits for improving the trunk. Is there something I could do to help this (like triage a list promising patches)? > It is interesting to see that you mention that forking IDLE may result > in a wider user-base because of the inclusion of new interesting > features. But I bet that didn't happen, did it ? At some point I > though about the possibility of moving IDLE to somewhere else, > removing it from python's trunk. It doesn't seem appropriate to > include an editor into the stdlib, from my POV it is at least strange. I see 2 central problems with having IDLE in Python's core: 1. Experimental IDLE changes don't get wide testing, except for when Python is undergoing the alpha/beta cycle - but that only happens once ~1.5 years. Since IDLE is also hard to unit-test, this hampers bold experimentation. 2. IDLE is bound by the core development policies, which slow down > It could continue being distributed with the windows installer, and > continue being distributed separately by Linux distributions and etc.. > For now what I believe is that forking IDLE is not going to help it in > any way, specially because it takes too long to get anything into > python's trunk that is outside critical real-life bugs Isn't that precisely the reason IDLE *should* be developed outside of Python? > and also > because there is a lot of people using IDLE in a first contact with > Python and surely doesn't know there is some better fork of it around. > In my humble outsider opinion, IDLE needs: - A single place where adventerous users can get bleeding-edge IDLE versions, all year long. A windows installer is a must. - A low barrier to entry for code contributors - freely handed commit rights and/or a distributed VCS. Python is planning a switch to Mercurial - IDLE seems to me a great guinea pig for it. The official Python install should still include "stable" IDLE versions. But they would be produced by periodically forking the unstable branch and bug-fixing that, not by reviewing every single change that is to be merged. -- Beni Cherniavsky From ggpolo at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 18:42:15 2010 From: ggpolo at gmail.com (Guilherme Polo) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:42:15 -0300 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly In-Reply-To: <309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> References: <309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> Message-ID: 2010/3/9 Steffen M?ller-Larsen : > Hi, all > > I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 via an Activepython distribution. I find that IDLE crashes over and over again causing it to freeze completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been saved. I am running it on a fairly new iMac running OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common problem for this version? Thank you in advance. > > Respectfully > > Steffen M?ller-Larsen Since no one replied to your message I would suggest trying to get the actual error message, if there is one. Maybe running IDLE from the Terminal app could help on this task. A better description is necessary, does it crash very often or it gets frozen ? I suspect there aren't many people using IDLE on OSX, so the more information you give the greater are the chances of getting some help. Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves From Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu Wed Apr 7 19:01:41 2010 From: Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu (Bruce Sherwood) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:01:41 -0400 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly In-Reply-To: <20962_1270658562_o37Ggedc023123_k2wac2200131004070942w5418aad6jd8c981ade7a5ddfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> <20962_1270658562_o37Ggedc023123_k2wac2200131004070942w5418aad6jd8c981ade7a5ddfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BBCBA75.7010306@ncsu.edu> I use VIDLE routinely on OSX with no difficulty. VIDLE is a version of IDLE for which Guilherme Polo fixed many significant errors. You can find a copy at http://vpython.org. Bruce Sherwood On 4/7/2010 12:42 PM, Guilherme Polo wrote: > 2010/3/9 Steffen M?ller-Larsen: > >> Hi, all >> >> I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 via an Activepython distribution. I find that IDLE crashes over and over again causing it to freeze completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been saved. I am running it on a fairly new iMac running OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common problem for this version? Thank you in advance. >> >> Respectfully >> >> Steffen M?ller-Larsen >> > Since no one replied to your message I would suggest trying to get the > actual error message, if there is one. Maybe running IDLE from the > Terminal app could help on this task. A better description is > necessary, does it crash very often or it gets frozen ? I suspect > there aren't many people using IDLE on OSX, so the more information > you give the greater are the chances of getting some help. > > Regards, > > From chaoslichen at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 20:20:28 2010 From: chaoslichen at gmail.com (Chas Leichner) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Idle-dev] An IDLE extension for Google Summer of Code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tal, Although I think that Sikuli is an interesting project, it is still a research prototype rather than a well developed project, like IDLE. Programming with screenshots is a novel approach, but using a metafile would allow a teacher easily and directly convert existing code to a tutorial or lesson just by adding the appropriate tags. Using a commands to drive the IDE would also allow the teacher to precisely dictate actions and tweak them easily instead of having to re-record screenshots, like in Sikuli. In addition, adding an extension to IDLE would make it accessible to anyone with a basic Python install, because there is a version of IDLE easily available on all platforms that Python is. ~Chas On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Tal Einat wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Chas Leichner > wrote: > > IDLE developers, > > > > I have been in contact with Greg Wilson of Software Carpentry, discussing > > possible projects for the Google Summer of Code. He brought up adding a > > record and playback function as an addition to IDLE so that students > could > > work through writing code dynamically, in the same manner they would with > a > > TA or mentor. To facilitate this, I would like to add an extension > module, > > changes to the core code, or an alternate education version of IDLE that > > would read from a metafile with instructions to drive the IDE for them, > > writing code, stopping to explain or ask questions and wait for answers, > and > > highlight sections of the code. As per the advice on the Python GSOC > page, I > > wanted to contact this list, to keep you updated and for your feedback, > > before I got too far into writing my proposal. > > > > Thanks, > > Chas Leichner > > Hi Chas, > > This sounds like a great project! I really hope this goes well, and > would love to receive updates on it, e.g. if you start a mailing list > or blog about it. > > May I ask, why not develop something more generic, which allows > various types of guided interactive learning, not just via IDLE? On > first reading it seems that what you suggest could be achieved with > something like Sikuli, without requiring any changes to IDLE. > > - Tal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at handysoftware.com Wed Apr 7 21:24:45 2010 From: david at handysoftware.com (David Handy) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 15:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Idle-dev] An IDLE extension for Google Summer of Code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100407192445.GA1643@arno2> > > To facilitate this, I would like to add an extension module, > > changes to the core code, or an alternate education version of IDLE that > > would read from a metafile with instructions to drive the IDE for them, > > writing code, stopping to explain or ask questions and wait for answers, > > and highlight sections of the code. Don't write a whole new domain-specific language for this. Use and extend doctest. http://docs.python.org/library/doctest.html#module-doctest I wrote a tool, called "demotest" for presenting Python lessons with embedded Python code. http://trizpug.org/Members/dhandy/newclass Download demotest.py from the above page and run it. It prints each executable statement suite in the module's doctests and then pauses. Just keep hitting Enter to step through it. Something like this could probably be adapted to run as an IDLE extension. David H On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 11:20:28AM -0700, Chas Leichner wrote: > Tal, > > Although I think that Sikuli is an interesting project, it is still a > research prototype rather than a well developed project, like IDLE. > Programming with screenshots is a novel approach, but using a metafile would > allow a teacher easily and directly convert existing code to a tutorial or > lesson just by adding the appropriate tags. Using a commands to drive the > IDE would also allow the teacher to precisely dictate actions and tweak them > easily instead of having to re-record screenshots, like in Sikuli. > > In addition, adding an extension to IDLE would make it accessible to anyone > with a basic Python install, because there is a version of IDLE easily > available on all platforms that Python is. > > ~Chas > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Tal Einat wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Chas Leichner > > wrote: > > > IDLE developers, > > > > > > I have been in contact with Greg Wilson of Software Carpentry, discussing > > > possible projects for the Google Summer of Code. He brought up adding a > > > record and playback function as an addition to IDLE so that students > > could > > > work through writing code dynamically, in the same manner they would with > > a > > > TA or mentor. To facilitate this, I would like to add an extension > > module, > > > changes to the core code, or an alternate education version of IDLE that > > > would read from a metafile with instructions to drive the IDE for them, > > > writing code, stopping to explain or ask questions and wait for answers, > > and > > > highlight sections of the code. As per the advice on the Python GSOC > > page, I > > > wanted to contact this list, to keep you updated and for your feedback, > > > before I got too far into writing my proposal. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chas Leichner > > > > Hi Chas, > > > > This sounds like a great project! I really hope this goes well, and > > would love to receive updates on it, e.g. if you start a mailing list > > or blog about it. > > > > May I ask, why not develop something more generic, which allows > > various types of guided interactive learning, not just via IDLE? On > > first reading it seems that what you suggest could be achieved with > > something like Sikuli, without requiring any changes to IDLE. > > > > - Tal > > > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev -- David Handy Computer Programming is Fun! Beginning Computer Programming with Python http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ From david at handysoftware.com Wed Apr 7 23:12:58 2010 From: david at handysoftware.com (David Handy) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Idle-dev] An IDLE extension for Google Summer of Code In-Reply-To: <20100407192445.GA1643@arno2> References: <20100407192445.GA1643@arno2> Message-ID: <20100407211258.GA1998@arno2> On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 03:24:45PM -0400, David Handy wrote: > I wrote a tool, called "demotest" for presenting Python lessons with > embedded Python code. > > http://trizpug.org/Members/dhandy/newclass > > Download demotest.py from the above page and run it. It prints each > executable statement suite in the module's doctests and then pauses. Just > keep hitting Enter to step through it. If I were to do this over again, I'd use/extend doctest.testfile(), which reads code examples from a plain text file instead of from a Python module. Which is even closer to what you want. David H > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 11:20:28AM -0700, Chas Leichner wrote: > > Tal, > > > > Although I think that Sikuli is an interesting project, it is still a > > research prototype rather than a well developed project, like IDLE. > > Programming with screenshots is a novel approach, but using a metafile would > > allow a teacher easily and directly convert existing code to a tutorial or > > lesson just by adding the appropriate tags. Using a commands to drive the > > IDE would also allow the teacher to precisely dictate actions and tweak them > > easily instead of having to re-record screenshots, like in Sikuli. > > > > In addition, adding an extension to IDLE would make it accessible to anyone > > with a basic Python install, because there is a version of IDLE easily > > available on all platforms that Python is. > > > > ~Chas > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Tal Einat wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Chas Leichner > > > wrote: > > > > IDLE developers, > > > > > > > > I have been in contact with Greg Wilson of Software Carpentry, discussing > > > > possible projects for the Google Summer of Code. He brought up adding a > > > > record and playback function as an addition to IDLE so that students > > > could > > > > work through writing code dynamically, in the same manner they would with > > > a > > > > TA or mentor. To facilitate this, I would like to add an extension > > > module, > > > > changes to the core code, or an alternate education version of IDLE that > > > > would read from a metafile with instructions to drive the IDE for them, > > > > writing code, stopping to explain or ask questions and wait for answers, > > > and > > > > highlight sections of the code. As per the advice on the Python GSOC > > > page, I > > > > wanted to contact this list, to keep you updated and for your feedback, > > > > before I got too far into writing my proposal. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chas Leichner > > > > > > Hi Chas, > > > > > > This sounds like a great project! I really hope this goes well, and > > > would love to receive updates on it, e.g. if you start a mailing list > > > or blog about it. > > > > > > May I ask, why not develop something more generic, which allows > > > various types of guided interactive learning, not just via IDLE? On > > > first reading it seems that what you suggest could be achieved with > > > something like Sikuli, without requiring any changes to IDLE. > > > > > > - Tal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IDLE-dev mailing list > > IDLE-dev at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > > > -- > David Handy > Computer Programming is Fun! > Beginning Computer Programming with Python > http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ > _______________________________________________ > IDLE-dev mailing list > IDLE-dev at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev -- David Handy Computer Programming is Fun! Beginning Computer Programming with Python http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ From nad at acm.org Wed Apr 7 23:44:03 2010 From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:44:03 -0700 Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly References: <309AA0DF-F6A3-478E-A2A8-2461DDD6E997@humgen.au.dk> <20962_1270658562_o37Ggedc023123_k2wac2200131004070942w5418aad6jd8c981ade7a5ddfb@mail.gmail.com> <4BBCBA75.7010306@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: In article <4BBCBA75.7010306 at ncsu.edu>, Bruce Sherwood wrote: > I use VIDLE routinely on OSX with no difficulty. VIDLE is a version of > IDLE for which Guilherme Polo fixed many significant errors. You can > find a copy at http://vpython.org. > > Bruce Sherwood > > On 4/7/2010 12:42 PM, Guilherme Polo wrote: > > 2010/3/9 Steffen M?ller-Larsen: > > > >> Hi, all > >> > >> I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4 via an Activepython > >> distribution. I find that IDLE crashes over and over again causing it to > >> freeze completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been saved. I am > >> running it on a fairly new iMac running OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common > >> problem for this version? Thank you in advance. > >> > >> Respectfully > >> > >> Steffen M?ller-Larsen > >> > > Since no one replied to your message I would suggest trying to get the > > actual error message, if there is one. Maybe running IDLE from the > > Terminal app could help on this task. A better description is > > necessary, does it crash very often or it gets frozen ? I suspect > > there aren't many people using IDLE on OSX, so the more information > > you give the greater are the chances of getting some help. There have been various problems reported with Python 2.6.x IDLE linked with Apple's default Tk 8.5 on 10.6 (a Cocoa-based Tk) such as the IDLE supplied by Apple with 10.6. Using a 2.6.x IDLE linked with Tk 8.4, such as is included with the python.org OS X 2.6.5 installer should be quite stable. If not, please document on the python.org issue tracker. -- Ned Deily, nad at acm.org From chaoslichen at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 04:30:58 2010 From: chaoslichen at gmail.com (Chas Leichner) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:30:58 -0700 Subject: [Idle-dev] An IDLE extension for Google Summer of Code In-Reply-To: <20100407211258.GA1998@arno2> References: <20100407192445.GA1643@arno2> <20100407211258.GA1998@arno2> Message-ID: David, Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I looked up doctest, and it seems like an excellent jumping off point for a metafile processor such as the one I am planning. Chas On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:12 PM, David Handy wrote: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 03:24:45PM -0400, David Handy wrote: > > I wrote a tool, called "demotest" for presenting Python lessons with > > embedded Python code. > > > > http://trizpug.org/Members/dhandy/newclass > > > > Download demotest.py from the above page and run it. It prints each > > executable statement suite in the module's doctests and then pauses. Just > > keep hitting Enter to step through it. > > If I were to do this over again, I'd use/extend doctest.testfile(), which > reads code examples from a plain text file instead of from a Python module. > Which is even closer to what you want. > > David H > > > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 11:20:28AM -0700, Chas Leichner wrote: > > > Tal, > > > > > > Although I think that Sikuli is an interesting project, it is still a > > > research prototype rather than a well developed project, like IDLE. > > > Programming with screenshots is a novel approach, but using a metafile > would > > > allow a teacher easily and directly convert existing code to a tutorial > or > > > lesson just by adding the appropriate tags. Using a commands to drive > the > > > IDE would also allow the teacher to precisely dictate actions and tweak > them > > > easily instead of having to re-record screenshots, like in Sikuli. > > > > > > In addition, adding an extension to IDLE would make it accessible to > anyone > > > with a basic Python install, because there is a version of IDLE easily > > > available on all platforms that Python is. > > > > > > ~Chas > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Tal Einat wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Chas Leichner < > chaoslichen at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > IDLE developers, > > > > > > > > > > I have been in contact with Greg Wilson of Software Carpentry, > discussing > > > > > possible projects for the Google Summer of Code. He brought up > adding a > > > > > record and playback function as an addition to IDLE so that > students > > > > could > > > > > work through writing code dynamically, in the same manner they > would with > > > > a > > > > > TA or mentor. To facilitate this, I would like to add an extension > > > > module, > > > > > changes to the core code, or an alternate education version of IDLE > that > > > > > would read from a metafile with instructions to drive the IDE for > them, > > > > > writing code, stopping to explain or ask questions and wait for > answers, > > > > and > > > > > highlight sections of the code. As per the advice on the Python > GSOC > > > > page, I > > > > > wanted to contact this list, to keep you updated and for your > feedback, > > > > > before I got too far into writing my proposal. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Chas Leichner > > > > > > > > Hi Chas, > > > > > > > > This sounds like a great project! I really hope this goes well, and > > > > would love to receive updates on it, e.g. if you start a mailing list > > > > or blog about it. > > > > > > > > May I ask, why not develop something more generic, which allows > > > > various types of guided interactive learning, not just via IDLE? On > > > > first reading it seems that what you suggest could be achieved with > > > > something like Sikuli, without requiring any changes to IDLE. > > > > > > > > - Tal > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > IDLE-dev mailing list > > > IDLE-dev at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > > > > > > -- > > David Handy > > Computer Programming is Fun! > > Beginning Computer Programming with Python > > http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ > > _______________________________________________ > > IDLE-dev mailing list > > IDLE-dev at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev > -- > David Handy > Computer Programming is Fun! > Beginning Computer Programming with Python > http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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