From gervich at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 12 05:31:31 2009
From: gervich at sbcglobal.net (Jason Gervich)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:31:31 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] Restart Shell, No Longer Being Offered?
In-Reply-To: <2238dbfb0903161657j20d835a9u64b5e7bd7dee4730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244777491.5002.188.camel@jason-desktop>

To get the Shell menu in Ubuntu, open a terminal and at the command line
prompt type "idle". The IDLE shell will appear with the Shell menu in
the menu bar. Click Shell-->Restart Shell. This only works if no other
instances of the Python Shell are running. If you want to run more that
one instance on the same machine or network, start IDLE as "idle -n".
You can run multiple versions but you won't have the Shell/Restart
menu. 

This from the Python team:

Running IDLE from the Applications menu under Ubuntu will not have the
Shell menu. If you bring up a terminal and enter "idle", you will have
the Shell menu.

IDLE, when selected from the Application menu, is being run with the
"-n" command line by default in Ubuntu. You can remove this option by
editing the menu item for IDLE.

----------
nosy: +serwy

Hope this helps,

Jason Gervich

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From taleinat at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 00:36:31 2009
From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:36:31 +0300
Subject: [Idle-dev] Restart Shell, No Longer Being Offered?
In-Reply-To: <1244777491.5002.188.camel@jason-desktop>
References: <2238dbfb0903161657j20d835a9u64b5e7bd7dee4730@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1244777491.5002.188.camel@jason-desktop>
Message-ID: <7afdee2f0906151536m6ed4e86fm24cba61009682d19@mail.gmail.com>

Since it wasn't entirely clear exactly what you're looking for in your
original post, I would also like to mention...

Roger Serwy has recently written an IDLE extension to clear the shell
window's contents (without affecting the state of the underlying Python
process). This is different from restarting the shell, which is what Jason
was referring to, which actually starts a new Python process in which
following commands will be run (but without clearing the shell window).

See: http://bugs.python.org/issue6143

- Tal Einat

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Jason Gervich <gervich at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>  To get the Shell menu in Ubuntu, open a terminal and at the command line
> prompt type "idle". The IDLE shell will appear with the Shell menu in the
> menu bar. Click Shell-->Restart Shell. This only works if no other instances
> of the Python Shell are running. If you want to run more that one instance
> on the same machine or network, start IDLE as "idle -n". You can run
> multiple versions but you won't have the Shell/Restart menu.
>
> This from the Python team:
>
> Running IDLE from the Applications menu under Ubuntu will not have the
> Shell menu. If you bring up a terminal and enter "idle", you will have
> the Shell menu.
>
> IDLE, when selected from the Application menu, is being run with the
> "-n" command line by default in Ubuntu. You can remove this option by
> editing the menu item for IDLE.
>
> ----------
> nosy: +serwy
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jason Gervich
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IDLE-dev mailing list
> IDLE-dev at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev
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From gervich at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 18 21:00:32 2009
From: gervich at sbcglobal.net (Jason Gervich)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:00:32 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE comments
Message-ID: <1245351632.3326.6.camel@jason-desktop>

Why does IDLE use two hash marks for comments (##)? Most other editors
(Geany, SPE) use a single hash mark (#) to designate comments.

How does one change IDLE to use just a single (#) hash mark for
comments?

Thanks,

Jason Gervich
Santa Cruz, CA
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From sandeep.techie at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 00:19:29 2009
From: sandeep.techie at gmail.com (Sandeep Krishna)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:19:29 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] Python3.0.1 - Pythonw.exe [IDLE]
Message-ID: <971666850906181519p6c22cdf3qde1b925593168acd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I have downloaded Python3.0.1 for windows.
While using the PythonW.exe i encountered
a bug: round(_,2)_ method, which doesnt provide
a round off result. But the same works fine for
python.exe interpreter.[r301:6951]

Thanks,
 Sandeep

From taleinat at gmail.com  Sat Jun 20 11:33:50 2009
From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:33:50 +0300
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE comments
In-Reply-To: <1245351632.3326.6.camel@jason-desktop>
References: <1245351632.3326.6.camel@jason-desktop>
Message-ID: <7afdee2f0906200233p719575cfod9f3923ab7a2fe62@mail.gmail.com>

Jason Gervich wrote:
> Why does IDLE use two hash marks for comments (##)? Most other editors
> (Geany, SPE) use a single hash mark (#) to designate comments.

I actually don't know. I find that it's rather useful since I usually
use the commenting function to comment out blocks of code, and having
these commented with "##" differentiates them from comments which I
write manually.

> How does one change IDLE to use just a single (#) hash mark for comments?

Take a look at EditorWindow.comment_region_event in
idlelib/EditorWindow.py. The "##" is hard-coded; just changing it to
"#" should work (not tested).

- Tal Einat

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Sat Jun 20 16:35:00 2009
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:35:00 +0100
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE comments
In-Reply-To: <7afdee2f0906200233p719575cfod9f3923ab7a2fe62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1245351632.3326.6.camel@jason-desktop>
	<7afdee2f0906200233p719575cfod9f3923ab7a2fe62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A3CF394.7010105@voidspace.org.uk>

Tal Einat wrote:
> Jason Gervich wrote:
>   
>> Why does IDLE use two hash marks for comments (##)? Most other editors
>> (Geany, SPE) use a single hash mark (#) to designate comments.
>>     
>
> I actually don't know. I find that it's rather useful since I usually
> use the commenting function to comment out blocks of code, and having
> these commented with "##" differentiates them from comments which I
> write manually.
>   

+1 this is exactly how I use it.

Michael
>   
>> How does one change IDLE to use just a single (#) hash mark for comments?
>>     
>
> Take a look at EditorWindow.comment_region_event in
> idlelib/EditorWindow.py. The "##" is hard-coded; just changing it to
> "#" should work (not tested).
>
> - Tal Einat
> _______________________________________________
> IDLE-dev mailing list
> IDLE-dev at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev
>   


-- 
http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog



From guido at python.org  Sat Jun 20 17:17:37 2009
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:17:37 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE comments
In-Reply-To: <4A3CF394.7010105@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <1245351632.3326.6.camel@jason-desktop>
	<7afdee2f0906200233p719575cfod9f3923ab7a2fe62@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A3CF394.7010105@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <ca471dc20906200817v5a532f2fy5496229df58e87d7@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Michael Foord<fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
> Tal Einat wrote:
>>
>> Jason Gervich wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why does IDLE use two hash marks for comments (##)? Most other editors
>>> (Geany, SPE) use a single hash mark (#) to designate comments.
>>>
>>
>> I actually don't know. I find that it's rather useful since I usually
>> use the commenting function to comment out blocks of code, and having
>> these commented with "##" differentiates them from comments which I
>> write manually.
>>
>
> +1 this is exactly how I use it.

And this is how it's meant to be used. Quickly comment or uncomment a
section of code. Invaluable.

PS. Emacs does this too. I think there it was invented by Tim Peters.
It is done so that the auto-indent functionality *ignores* the
indentation of comments starting with ##, but assumes that comments
starting with #+space are meant to align up properly with the
surrounding code. (I don't know if IDLE uses this rule too.)

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From taleinat at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 12:15:57 2009
From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:15:57 +0300
Subject: [Idle-dev] SearchBar - Have fun searching in IDLE!
In-Reply-To: <7afdee2f0701281540jc5a9fa3x176ec90f0f1631fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7afdee2f0701281540jc5a9fa3x176ec90f0f1631fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7afdee2f0906240315oa38dd1ardab2dde66674610e@mail.gmail.com>

I've finally found the time to fix up SearchBar - the powerful replacement
for IDLE's feeble search capabilities. It supports all of the original
search engine's features, a less intrusive interface, incremental searching
(search-as-you-type), highlighting of all matches in the text and word
completion in the find/replace entries.

I hope this is now almost ready for including in IDLE out-of-the-box. I've
fixed all outstanding issues, cleaned up and optimized the code, and added
comments and documentation where needed.

This version should work with any 2.x version of Python from 2.3 onwards. I
have tested with versions 2.3 through 2.6 on WindowsXP. I'd appreciate
anyone who can give it a try and see how it works out, especially
non-Windows users.


*Installation:* (see the included README file)
Unpack the attached archive, or download from
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/SearchBar/
Place the .py files in your Lib/idlelib directory, and add the following to
the text file Lib\idlelib\config-extensions.def:

[SearchBar]
enable=1
is_incremental=1
[Searchbar_bindings]
toggle-search-bar=

Usage:
Just search as usual. (When the extension is enabled it binds to the usual
find/replace events.)

   - Enter, Control+f and Control+g all search for the next appearance
   - The Escape key closes the search bar, and so will clicking outside of
   it
   - Alt+/ completes words in the find and replace entries, press multiple
   times to cycle through possible completions
   - When replacing: Enter replaces and jumps to the next appearance,
   Shift+Enter jumps to the next appearance without replacing
   - Incremental searching can be toggled via the extension configuration


On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 2:40 AM, Tal Einat <taleinat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Attached is a first working version of the SearchBar extension, with incremental
> search and word completion.
>
> What I need now is beta testers! Please take the 2 minutes it takes to
> install this, and report and issues or comments.
> (You can always disable the extension in config-extensions.def (enable=0),
> and the good old dialogs will kick in.)
>
> * AFAIK this -should- work with all recent versions of IDLE (those shipped
> with Python2.2 and above).
>
> Enjoy!
> Comments et. al. much appreciated.
>
> - Tal
>
>
> Usage:
> Just search as usual. When the extension is enabled it binds to the usual
> find/replace events.
> To complete words in the find and replace entries: Alt+/  ("slash", on the
> question mark key)
>
> Installation:
> Place the attached files in your idlelib dir,
> and add the following lines to config-extensions.def:
> "
> [SearchBar]
> enable=1
> is_incremental=1
> [Searchbar_bindings]
> toggle-search-bar=
> "
>
> (yes, the last 2 lines are required)
>
>
> On 12/8/06, Tal Einat <taleinat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/06, Michael Foord < fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
>>> > My top items:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>  > Incremental search (in a text entry widget in the bottom status bar).
>>> >
>>>
>>> +1 million. :-)
>>>
>>> Not because I need it, but just because it's the best way.
>>
>>
>> I've been working some on that too. I've created a Search Bar extension
>> which can be used instead of the Find & Replace dialogs. The search bar
>> shows a thin bar on the bottom of the window, with an entry box and the
>> usual options (wrap, direction, case-sensitive...). For replacing, the bar
>> is twice as thick, with two entries and extra replacement options (replace,
>> find next, replace all).
>>
>
>
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From sean at ticketweb.com  Wed Jun 24 23:23:46 2009
From: sean at ticketweb.com (Sean Wolfe)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:23:46 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] SearchBar - Have fun searching in IDLE!
In-Reply-To: <7afdee2f0906240315oa38dd1ardab2dde66674610e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7afdee2f0701281540jc5a9fa3x176ec90f0f1631fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<7afdee2f0906240315oa38dd1ardab2dde66674610e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50CE562EE612A046BF831CD48CF11289012EA311@ELSCA-EXB-AV1.ticketmaster.corp>

 
Hey Tal and co thanks for the work on IDLE... I'm continuing to use and
enjoy the ide.... loving the lightweight approach and simplicity. 
 
I'm using the pygame module for fun gaming stuff and the 'selenium' web
test suite for my jobby job... and having a blast!
 
thanks again and be well :o)
Sean - San Francisco

________________________________

From: idle-dev-bounces+sean=ticketweb.com at python.org
[mailto:idle-dev-bounces+sean=ticketweb.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Tal
Einat
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:16 AM
To: idle-dev at python.org
Cc: Michael Haubenwallner; Kurt B. Kaiser
Subject: Re: [Idle-dev] SearchBar - Have fun searching in IDLE!


I've finally found the time to fix up SearchBar - the powerful
replacement for IDLE's feeble search capabilities. It supports all of
the original search engine's features, a less intrusive interface,
incremental searching (search-as-you-type), highlighting of all matches
in the text and word completion in the find/replace entries.

I hope this is now almost ready for including in IDLE out-of-the-box.
I've fixed all outstanding issues, cleaned up and optimized the code,
and added comments and documentation where needed.

This version should work with any 2.x version of Python from 2.3
onwards. I have tested with versions 2.3 through 2.6 on WindowsXP. I'd
appreciate anyone who can give it a try and see how it works out,
especially non-Windows users.


Installation: (see the included README file)
Unpack the attached archive, or download from
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/SearchBar/
Place the .py files in your Lib/idlelib directory, and add the following
to the text file Lib\idlelib\config-extensions.def:

[SearchBar]
enable=1
is_incremental=1
[Searchbar_bindings]
toggle-search-bar=

Usage:
Just search as usual. (When the extension is enabled it binds to the
usual find/replace events.)


*	Enter, Control+f and Control+g all search for the next
appearance
	
*	The Escape key closes the search bar, and so will clicking
outside of it 
*	Alt+/ completes words in the find and replace entries, press
multiple times to cycle through possible completions
	
*	When replacing: Enter replaces and jumps to the next appearance,
Shift+Enter jumps to the next appearance without replacing 
*	Incremental searching can be toggled via the extension
configuration 


On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 2:40 AM, Tal Einat <taleinat at gmail.com> wrote:


	Attached is a first working version of the SearchBar extension,
with incremental search and word completion.
	
	What I need now is beta testers! Please take the 2 minutes it
takes to install this, and report and issues or comments.
	(You can always disable the extension in config-extensions.def
(enable=0), and the good old dialogs will kick in.)
	
	* AFAIK this -should- work with all recent versions of IDLE
(those shipped with Python2.2 and above).
	
	Enjoy!
	Comments et. al. much appreciated.
	
	- Tal
	
	
	Usage:
	Just search as usual. When the extension is enabled it binds to
the usual find/replace events.
	To complete words in the find and replace entries: Alt+/
("slash", on the question mark key)
	
	Installation:
	Place the attached files in your idlelib dir,
	and add the following lines to config-extensions.def:
	"
	[SearchBar]
	enable=1
	is_incremental=1
	[Searchbar_bindings]
	toggle-search-bar=
	"
	
	(yes, the last 2 lines are required)
	
	
	
	On 12/8/06, Tal Einat <taleinat at gmail.com> wrote: 



		On 12/7/06, Michael Foord < fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk
<mailto:fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> > wrote: 

			Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
			> My top items:
			[snip]
			

		

			> Incremental search (in a text entry widget in
the bottom status bar).
			>
			
			+1 million. :-) 
			
			Not because I need it, but just because it's the
best way.

		 
		I've been working some on that too. I've created a
Search Bar extension which can be used instead of the Find & Replace
dialogs. The search bar shows a thin bar on the bottom of the window,
with an entry box and the usual options (wrap, direction,
case-sensitive...). For replacing, the bar is twice as thick, with two
entries and extra replacement options (replace, find next, replace all).




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From clockworksaint at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 15:18:55 2009
From: clockworksaint at gmail.com (Weeble)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:18:55 +0100
Subject: [Idle-dev] SearchBar - Have fun searching in IDLE!
In-Reply-To: <7afdee2f0906240315oa38dd1ardab2dde66674610e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7afdee2f0701281540jc5a9fa3x176ec90f0f1631fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<7afdee2f0906240315oa38dd1ardab2dde66674610e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13e3f9930906250618q23fb638xedf4262870a03c0c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Tal Einat <taleinat at gmail.com> wrote:
> This version should work with any 2.x version of Python from 2.3 onwards. I have tested with versions 2.3 through 2.6 on WindowsXP. I'd appreciate anyone who can give it a try and see how it works out, especially non-Windows users.

Something's not working for me. I get lots of exceptions like this
every time I type anything into the find box:

Exception in Tkinter callback
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python26\lib\lib-tk\Tkinter.py", line 1410, in __call__
    return self.func(*args)
  File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\SearchBar.py", line 204, in
_search_expression_changed_callback
    elif self._set_search_expression():
  File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\SearchBar.py", line 523, in
_set_search_expression
    self.window_engine.set_search_expression(search_exp)
  File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\WindowSearchEngine.py", line 265, in
set_search_expression
    string, case_sensitive)
  File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\WindowSearchEngine.py", line 28, in __init__
    self._mark_hits()
  File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\WindowSearchEngine.py", line 52, in _mark_hits
    tag_add("findmark", start_idx, start_idx + add_string_len_str)
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: '_tkinter.Tcl_Obj' and 'str'

According to the About box, I'm on Python 2.6 and Tk 8.5.

From taleinat at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 15:53:04 2009
From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:53:04 +0300
Subject: [Idle-dev] SearchBar - Have fun searching in IDLE!
In-Reply-To: <13e3f9930906250618q23fb638xedf4262870a03c0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7afdee2f0701281540jc5a9fa3x176ec90f0f1631fb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7afdee2f0906240315oa38dd1ardab2dde66674610e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<13e3f9930906250618q23fb638xedf4262870a03c0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7afdee2f0906250653s63f82244g55498fc84719e4b1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Weeble <clockworksaint at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Tal Einat <taleinat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This version should work with any 2.x version of Python from 2.3 onwards. I have tested with versions 2.3 through 2.6 on WindowsXP. I'd appreciate anyone who can give it a try and see how it works out, especially non-Windows users.
>
> Something's not working for me. I get lots of exceptions like this
> every time I type anything into the find box:
>
> Exception in Tkinter callback
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> ?File "C:\Python26\lib\lib-tk\Tkinter.py", line 1410, in __call__
> ? ?return self.func(*args)
> ?File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\SearchBar.py", line 204, in
> _search_expression_changed_callback
> ? ?elif self._set_search_expression():
> ?File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\SearchBar.py", line 523, in
> _set_search_expression
> ? ?self.window_engine.set_search_expression(search_exp)
> ?File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\WindowSearchEngine.py", line 265, in
> set_search_expression
> ? ?string, case_sensitive)
> ?File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\WindowSearchEngine.py", line 28, in __init__
> ? ?self._mark_hits()
> ?File "c:\python26\lib\idlelib\WindowSearchEngine.py", line 52, in _mark_hits
> ? ?tag_add("findmark", start_idx, start_idx + add_string_len_str)
> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: '_tkinter.Tcl_Obj' and 'str'
>
> According to the About box, I'm on Python 2.6 and Tk 8.5.
>

Hi Weeble,

Thanks for taking the time to test this!

I only tested with Python2.6.2. Apparently at some point Tkinter was
patched to fix just this problem (issue 5193), so it seems Python2.6
doesn't include this patch while 2.6.2 does.

Workaround implemented. Updated files attached.

- Tal
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From alan.gauld at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 29 23:19:15 2009
From: alan.gauld at btinternet.com (Alan Gauld)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:19:15 +0100
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE 3000_a2 (fixed non-fatal error in script)
References: <ef018e0b0901270926y473d3d38tde7c883612a02a30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h2bb4l$t0f$1@ger.gmane.org>


"Mr. T" <rt8396 at gmail.com> wrote

> at IDLE and think, hmm great IDE but it could really use a spit shining. 
> So
> here is a very simple script showing my ideas to improve IDLE.

I don;t see any other responses to this and only just picked it up myself,
but I'd say yes! It would be very good to separate the prompt and text
Or, at the very least, to have a copy n paste like that used in PyCrust
which intelligently removes the prompts.

But I like this idea better.


-- 
Alan Gauld
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ 



From alan.gauld at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 29 23:27:17 2009
From: alan.gauld at btinternet.com (Alan Gauld)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:27:17 +0100
Subject: [Idle-dev] Strange behaviouir of IDLE 3
Message-ID: <h2bbjn$ude$1@ger.gmane.org>

I've been updating my online tutorial to Python v3.
I've come across a weird "feature" of IDLE 3:
The menus show as a pair of up/down arrows! 
Clicking the arrows does nothing obvious.

If you select a menu and then hit the letter of the 
menu item it works OK but you can't see it on screen 
so can't use the mouse. This is a real pain! 
Has anyone else found this? Or is it just me?
And does anyone know what to do to fix it ?

I'm using Windows XP Pro SP2 and Python 3.0

>>> import sys
>>> sys.version
'3.0 (r30:67503, Dec 11 2008, 09:05:16) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]'
>>> 

IDLE for 2.5.1 works fine on the same machine

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Alan G
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