From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 00:12:17 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 18:12:17 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Please change this list to have public
	archives
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Hey all,

I have made this list archives public. Please let me know if this causes
any discomfort or issues.

Cheers, Brian Ray
ChiPy Chair [Chicago Python User Group]
http://chipy.org, http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 02:18:51 2015
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 00:18:51 +0000
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I'm not sure that I 100% agree. It *could* be valuable but not necessarily
so. With this being made public how do we maintain a private communication,
individual emails? What are the archives of other organizer groups?
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I have made this list archives public. Please let me know if this causes
> any discomfort or issues.
>
> Cheers, Brian Ray
> ChiPy Chair [Chicago Python User Group]
> http://chipy.org, http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/
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From brian at python.org  Mon Aug  3 02:27:33 2015
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:27:33 -0400
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What is an example of a topic that would need to be private on a mailing
list about what user group organizers do?

On Sunday, August 2, 2015, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure that I 100% agree. It *could* be valuable but not necessarily
> so. With this being made public how do we maintain a private communication,
> individual emails? What are the archives of other organizer groups?
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I have made this list archives public. Please let me know if this causes
> > any discomfort or issues.
> >
> > Cheers, Brian Ray
> > ChiPy Chair [Chicago Python User Group]
> > http://chipy.org, http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 02:36:51 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:36:51 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Please change this list to have public
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Not a perfect example, but I want to propose to the general ChiPy user
group mailing list the idea of child care offered at our monthly meetings.
However, I am not yet prepared to answer all the questions that will occur
once I do propose this.  There may be a cost aspect, there may not. So the
group-organizer list is valuable for education purposes before I bring up
the idea. Making it public, may expose the idea to a wider audience too
soon. Make sense?
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 02:46:08 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:46:08 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Please change this list to have public
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With that said, we are probably overthinking this. Someone could subscribe
freely so making the archives public should be fine.

I am changing my vote to +1

Regardless, I already changed the setting and would need to reverse the
change which that click may increase my chances of carpel tunnel.

onward...
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From gvwilson at software-carpentry.org  Sun Aug  2 21:25:20 2015
From: gvwilson at software-carpentry.org (Greg Wilson)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:25:20 +0100
Subject: [group-organizers] How to suggest videos for pyvideo.org
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Hi Sheila; thanks for your mail.  +1 to indexing events vs. one-offs, 
and to YouTube hosting.  We still haven't found a decent tool for 
recording terminal sessions - I really want something that records text 
*as text* (better for accessibility, better for rescaling, smaller 
payload), but (a) nothing I've found does what I want, and (b) it 
obviously doesn't integrate with classic pixel-stream video, so I'll be 
happy with whatever's easiest to produce.

Cheers,
Greg

On 2015-07-30 4:31 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
> I've talked this over with Will (I've cc-d him so he can pipe up if I 
> have it wrong) before because I was wondering about having a category 
> for Software Carpentry videos. The consensus we reached was to index 
> events versus one-off videos. If you or anyone have a corner case that 
> you think might fit, I'd recommend opening an issue in pyvideo/pyvideo.
>
> Now on to the next questions.
>
> For hosting, right now I'd say to host on YouTube and also upload the 
> file(s) to a bucket on the Internet Archive. I have $reasons I can 
> tl;dr if anyone is curious.
>
> For screen capture and audio,
>
> I'm going to cc Carl because he knows more about the hardware method 
> than I do. I'm also cc-ing Greg because he has thought about this a 
> great deal.
>
> Can we fip this list to public so that I can link to posts to people 
> who aren't subscribed? I could link this one to the Software Carpentry 
> list and ask if they have more recommendations.
>
> For software, I don't have experience with that, but on the Software 
> Carpentry mailing list there was a post about this recently, 
> <http://lists.software-carpentry.org/pipermail/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org/2015-June/003148.html> 
> and as of that post, Camstasia is recommended. I have no experience 
> with it.
>
> For stuff without sound, I am obsessed with finding tools for 
> excellently recording terminals, I don't have a favorite and I haven't 
> experimented a whole lot.  I recently discovered mkcast, 
> <http://lists.software-carpentry.org/pipermail/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org/2015-July/003200.html> 
> which is neat because it overlays characters you type. That's nice for 
> teaching because it shows invisible characters.
>
> on a tangent, for live casting, I've used ttycast before, which was 
> kickass because it gave a webpage where people could follow along and 
> copy-paste text. but better would be something that allows live 
> casting which displays an overlay of the keys that are being pressed.
>
> For format choice
>
> From my point of view,
>
> 1. Anything that you can upload to youtube so that I can embed it in 
> pyvideo.
> 2. Anything that is a FLOSS friendly format that you can upload to 
> archive.org <http://archive.org> or wikimedia commons so that I can 
> provide a link to a downloadable file that anyone can use.
>
> A nice feature of archive.org <http://archive.org> is that you can 
> upload something and it will transcode the heck out of things and 
> you'll end up with all kinds of formats. You might want to do the 
> transcoding yourself in order to get the best results, ask Carl about 
> that because he has a lot of experience transcoding things and picking 
> formats and picking the best settings.
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com 
> <mailto:brianhray at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Sheila:
>
>     Outside of conferences, is it possible to submit videos one
>     records of their own desktop? For example, say I want to record
>     myself going through a tutorial with just screenshare and audio.
>     How does this work? Will PyVideo host? What software and format do
>     I need to use?
>
>
>     On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:49 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com
>     <mailto:shekay at pobox.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi all,
>
>         I finally wrote a wiki page about how to suggest videos for
>         pyvideo.org <http://pyvideo.org>.
>
>         <https://github.com/pyvideo/pyvideo/wiki/Suggesting-videos-for-the-site>
>
>         This goes in a little bit of detail about the type of
>         information we'd like
>         about videos.
>
>         cheers!
>
>         --
>         shekay at pobox.com <mailto:shekay at pobox.com>
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>     -- 
>     Brian Ray
>     @brianray
>     (773) 669-7717 <tel:%28773%29%20669-7717>
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>
>
>
> -- 
> shekay at pobox.com <mailto:shekay at pobox.com>

-- 
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From brian at python.org  Mon Aug  3 02:59:52 2015
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:59:52 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Please change this list to have public
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I don't think that's worth keeping private in the first place. It's not
like the exposure of a potential offering to a user group is something that
will be detrimental have come out, and it's not like people are snooping
around group-organizers looking for what's next in the world of
organization. If they find out about it, oh well.

PyCon just came out and announced that we were going to explore it and
asked for people who had knowledge, suggestions, input as parents, etc. We
didn't say how it would work or even that we would offer it. We actually
didn't end up doing it the first time we explored it.

On Sunday, August 2, 2015, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not a perfect example, but I want to propose to the general ChiPy user
> group mailing list the idea of child care offered at our monthly meetings.
> However, I am not yet prepared to answer all the questions that will occur
> once I do propose this.  There may be a cost aspect, there may not. So the
> group-organizer list is valuable for education purposes before I bring up
> the idea. Making it public, may expose the idea to a wider audience too
> soon. Make sense?
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 03:10:07 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 21:10:07 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Please change this list to have public
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Agreed on "why keep it private?" On topics of sensitivity, it is just
common sense. Those wouldn't be well handled in group forum anyway.

The child care thing, well... I don't know how exactly to do it. I pretty
much want to make it happen. Having two kids, as a single dad, I actually
must need to make it happen for our next monthly meeting. However, it is
tough because involves not just cost, but liability. For example, if I say
on a public forum like this one we will take all the kids to lollapalooza
(a pretty wild music fest in chicago that tries hard to be kid friendly but
sometime fails as it's full of 100 of thousand drunk teenagers), and
something bad happens, well, someone can point to this conversation as in
internet archive and say I was potentially responsible.

I think we are all saying the same thing. We like public data, open data,
transparency... but that all changes quickly when something goes wrong.

Nonetheless, I already change the setting, so...

BR
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 03:46:17 2015
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 01:46:17 +0000
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Say an organizer wants to inform other organizers she is considering other
jobs that would require relocation and there's a chance (not a certainty)
of her moving. She might not want this information (and all derivative
conversation) publicly available for her employer to know about.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed on "why keep it private?" On topics of sensitivity, it is just
> common sense. Those wouldn't be well handled in group forum anyway.
>
> The child care thing, well... I don't know how exactly to do it. I pretty
> much want to make it happen. Having two kids, as a single dad, I actually
> must need to make it happen for our next monthly meeting. However, it is
> tough because involves not just cost, but liability. For example, if I say
> on a public forum like this one we will take all the kids to lollapalooza
> (a pretty wild music fest in chicago that tries hard to be kid friendly but
> sometime fails as it's full of 100 of thousand drunk teenagers), and
> something bad happens, well, someone can point to this conversation as in
> internet archive and say I was potentially responsible.
>
> I think we are all saying the same thing. We like public data, open data,
> transparency... but that all changes quickly when something goes wrong.
>
> Nonetheless, I already change the setting, so...
>
> BR
>
>
>
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From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:58:52 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Please change this list to have public
	archives
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Why would that be talked about on this list? It's about organizing user
groups, not finding jobs and speculative relocation.

So far the cases just shouldn't be happening, so optimizing for them
doesn't make sense.

On Sunday, August 2, 2015, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> Say an organizer wants to inform other organizers she is considering other
> jobs that would require relocation and there's a chance (not a certainty)
> of her moving. She might not want this information (and all derivative
> conversation) publicly available for her employer to know about.
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brianhray at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Agreed on "why keep it private?" On topics of sensitivity, it is just
>> common sense. Those wouldn't be well handled in group forum anyway.
>>
>> The child care thing, well... I don't know how exactly to do it. I pretty
>> much want to make it happen. Having two kids, as a single dad, I actually
>> must need to make it happen for our next monthly meeting. However, it is
>> tough because involves not just cost, but liability. For example, if I say
>> on a public forum like this one we will take all the kids to lollapalooza
>> (a pretty wild music fest in chicago that tries hard to be kid friendly but
>> sometime fails as it's full of 100 of thousand drunk teenagers), and
>> something bad happens, well, someone can point to this conversation as in
>> internet archive and say I was potentially responsible.
>>
>> I think we are all saying the same thing. We like public data, open data,
>> transparency... but that all changes quickly when something goes wrong.
>>
>> Nonetheless, I already change the setting, so...
>>
>> BR
>>
>>
>>
>
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From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:14:11 -0500
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On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> The child care thing, well... I don't know how exactly to do it. I pretty
> much want to make it happen. Having two kids, as a single dad, I actually
> must need to make it happen for our next monthly meeting. However, it is
> tough because involves not just cost, but liability. For example, if I say
> on a public forum like this one we will take all the kids to lollapalooza
> (a pretty wild music fest in chicago that tries hard to be kid friendly but
> sometime fails as it's full of 100 of thousand drunk teenagers), and
> something bad happens, well, someone can point to this conversation as in
> internet archive and say I was potentially responsible.
>
> I think we are all saying the same thing. We like public data, open data,
> transparency... but that all changes quickly when something goes wrong.
>


I'm familiar with the liability issue, and this is one example why having
an open list where I can provide a link to friends to answer you question
is useful.

I'll go answer the question in the childcare thread.


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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Aug  3 16:26:29 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:26:29 -0500
Subject: [group-organizers] Child Care for Python events?
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I'm following up to myself to bring up the topic of liability since it is
something Brian R. asked about on the public/private thread as something
he'd be concerned due to liability.

At ps1, we have a policy of no minors unless they are accompanied by a
parent or guardian or in special cases voted on by the board [1]. We have
this policy for various reasons including how expensive insurance coverage
would be for allowing minors in the space. If something happens, the
official policy would be the record to direct lawyers to.

We haven't worked out whether we'll have an event with childcare. If we do,
the consensus gathering so far has been that we'll hire a company that
handles childcare. These companies have their own insurance, and are
experts and can answer our questions. If something bad happens, we can
direct lawyers to the contract we'd sign with the childcare providers.

[1] https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Policy_on_Minors

[2] https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Talk:Childcare#Insurance_Issues



On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:39 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> We've had some discussion about this at Pumping Station: One because it
> would help people participate in more events. We have more logistical
> problems than a user group (our building is not kid safe, for one), so I
> think you'll find it easier.
>
> We've had some discussion here which you may find useful since it links to
> Chicago area providers and discusses issues.
>
> https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Childcare
>
> We are thinking of having a provider come out to look at our building to
> let us know if care would be impossible. At which point, we might also see
> if the theatre across the street might be willing to let us use there
> space. Or, do things informally.
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Jerry Dumblauskas <jdumblauskas at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> did you mean to send this out to the general list?
>>
>> As a father of 5 boys, I think this is a great idea, but will be very
>> tricky to implement.  There is a wide age range of kids to consider, and
>> nowadays alot of stuff is related to kid/provider ratio -- if we have
>> issues with getting an accurate headcount sans kids, it may be more tricky
>> with them.
>>
>> But gauging general interest would be a good first step.
>>
>> thx
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > We (Chipy: Chicago Python User Group) are thinking about providing free
>> > Child Care during our monthly meetings. Anyone else doing this?
>> >
>> > I was thinking about asking a close friend of mine (who is a MD) to
>> handle
>> > a trip to a movie in the park or a near by arts/craft center. Logistics
>> may
>> > be tricky. What else?
>> >
>> > What results do you think we should expect for say, a 80-100 person
>> > meeting?
>> >
>> > Any concerns or suggestions?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Brian Ray
>> > @brianray
>> > (773) 669-7717
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Aug  3 16:35:06 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:35:06 -0500
Subject: [group-organizers] Please change this list to have public
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On this list, I can't think of any because this is not a list about a
specific group.

For a specific group, I can think of examples. For example, at ps1 we have
a directors-only mailing list where we can discuss privileged or
confidential information, safe space issues, reviews of people who've
applied to be area hosts.

We have open board meetings by default, every Tuesday. Anyone can attend,
but when we discuss things like the above, we have a closed board session.

There are fuzzy boundaries when we don't know which is better.


On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> What is an example of a topic that would need to be private on a mailing
> list about what user group organizers do?
>
>
> On Sunday, August 2, 2015, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure that I 100% agree. It *could* be valuable but not necessarily
>> so. With this being made public how do we maintain a private
>> communication,
>> individual emails? What are the archives of other organizer groups?
>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > I have made this list archives public. Please let me know if this causes
>> > any discomfort or issues.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Brian Ray
>> > ChiPy Chair [Chicago Python User Group]
>> > http://chipy.org, http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Aug  3 16:46:58 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:46:58 -0500
Subject: [group-organizers] Office hours/project night etherpad?
Message-ID: <CAHCs_ra9JiNYmEVrNGzXm3DTyb9ngsoqMU0xQB54-L7mL9+37w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Carl and I have been kicking this idea around.  I've read about Software
Carpentry events where they project an etherpad during an event that
attendees can type on.

Up until now I've posted bitly links to an irc web interface (kiwi irc is
nice) so that we can share links and things. But I am starting to really
like the idea of having an etherpad projected up.

At a project night, after about 15 to 20 minutes (people trickle in), one
of us kicks things off by having people introduce themselves and say what
they are interested in. I like this because people can find others who are
interested in the same thing and gently self-organize in to interest groups.

Carl's suggestion is that we project up an etherpad, and people can sign in
to it (or we have a driver) to type a line about their interest -- finance,
web dev, help with kaggle, etc.

And maybe at the top we could have a link to a pastebin or other useful
things.

After the event maybe I could post a summary of people's interests back to
the meetup thread so that potential attendees can see what people are
working on because maybe they'll want to show up to gather in to a group of
like-minded people.

I really like this idea.


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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 17:01:53 2015
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 15:01:53 +0000
Subject: [group-organizers] Please change this list to have public
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Ah, this is group organizers... I thought it was Chicago organizers. I
retract my previous comment.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On this list, I can't think of any because this is not a list about a
> specific group.
>
> For a specific group, I can think of examples. For example, at ps1 we have
> a directors-only mailing list where we can discuss privileged or
> confidential information, safe space issues, reviews of people who've
> applied to be area hosts.
>
> We have open board meetings by default, every Tuesday. Anyone can attend,
> but when we discuss things like the above, we have a closed board session.
>
> There are fuzzy boundaries when we don't know which is better.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>
>> What is an example of a topic that would need to be private on a mailing
>> list about what user group organizers do?
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure that I 100% agree. It *could* be valuable but not
>>> necessarily
>>> so. With this being made public how do we maintain a private
>>> communication,
>>> individual emails? What are the archives of other organizer groups?
>>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hey all,
>>> >
>>> > I have made this list archives public. Please let me know if this
>>> causes
>>> > any discomfort or issues.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers, Brian Ray
>>> > ChiPy Chair [Chicago Python User Group]
>>> > http://chipy.org, http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 18:37:44 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 12:37:44 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Child Care for Python events?
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How about the concept of dropping kids off somewhere external before and
pick up after the meetings?
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Aug  3 19:04:01 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 12:04:01 -0500
Subject: [group-organizers] Child Care for Python events?
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> How about the concept of dropping kids off somewhere external before and
> pick up after the meetings?


One of the ps1 members broke it out for us in a lot of detail about how it
wouldn't be as useful (or even used) versus on-site care due to the time
commitment involved in ferrying the kids.

Maybe a carpool would help, but if you want to provide shuttle service
officially that will be another liability risk. Maybe some of the childcare
services can handle it?

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 13:10:32 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Child Care for Python events?
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>
> I was thinking that that guardians can drop the kids in the lobby with the
> care providers, sign a waiver, care provider takes them on a field
> trip, and then pick them back up at the lobby and hour and a half to two
> hours later.
>

BR


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From pjf at maestropublishing.com  Mon Aug  3 18:26:52 2015
From: pjf at maestropublishing.com (Peter Farrell)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: [group-organizers] How to suggest videos for pyvideo.org
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Have you tried using asciinema to record terminal sessions?

https://asciinema.org/
On Aug 2, 2015 7:48 PM, "Greg Wilson" <gvwilson at software-carpentry.org>
wrote:

> Hi Sheila; thanks for your mail.  +1 to indexing events vs. one-offs, and
> to YouTube hosting.  We still haven't found a decent tool for recording
> terminal sessions - I really want something that records text *as text*
> (better for accessibility, better for rescaling, smaller payload), but (a)
> nothing I've found does what I want, and (b) it obviously doesn't integrate
> with classic pixel-stream video, so I'll be happy with whatever's easiest
> to produce.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>
> On 2015-07-30 4:31 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>
>> I've talked this over with Will (I've cc-d him so he can pipe up if I
>> have it wrong) before because I was wondering about having a category for
>> Software Carpentry videos. The consensus we reached was to index events
>> versus one-off videos. If you or anyone have a corner case that you think
>> might fit, I'd recommend opening an issue in pyvideo/pyvideo.
>>
>> Now on to the next questions.
>>
>> For hosting, right now I'd say to host on YouTube and also upload the
>> file(s) to a bucket on the Internet Archive. I have $reasons I can tl;dr if
>> anyone is curious.
>>
>> For screen capture and audio,
>>
>> I'm going to cc Carl because he knows more about the hardware method than
>> I do. I'm also cc-ing Greg because he has thought about this a great deal.
>>
>> Can we fip this list to public so that I can link to posts to people who
>> aren't subscribed? I could link this one to the Software Carpentry list and
>> ask if they have more recommendations.
>>
>> For software, I don't have experience with that, but on the Software
>> Carpentry mailing list there was a post about this recently, <
>> http://lists.software-carpentry.org/pipermail/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org/2015-June/003148.html>
>> and as of that post, Camstasia is recommended. I have no experience with it.
>>
>> For stuff without sound, I am obsessed with finding tools for excellently
>> recording terminals, I don't have a favorite and I haven't experimented a
>> whole lot.  I recently discovered mkcast, <
>> http://lists.software-carpentry.org/pipermail/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org/2015-July/003200.html>
>> which is neat because it overlays characters you type. That's nice for
>> teaching because it shows invisible characters.
>>
>> on a tangent, for live casting, I've used ttycast before, which was
>> kickass because it gave a webpage where people could follow along and
>> copy-paste text. but better would be something that allows live casting
>> which displays an overlay of the keys that are being pressed.
>>
>> For format choice
>>
>> From my point of view,
>>
>> 1. Anything that you can upload to youtube so that I can embed it in
>> pyvideo.
>> 2. Anything that is a FLOSS friendly format that you can upload to
>> archive.org <http://archive.org> or wikimedia commons so that I can
>> provide a link to a downloadable file that anyone can use.
>>
>> A nice feature of archive.org <http://archive.org> is that you can
>> upload something and it will transcode the heck out of things and you'll
>> end up with all kinds of formats. You might want to do the transcoding
>> yourself in order to get the best results, ask Carl about that because he
>> has a lot of experience transcoding things and picking formats and picking
>> the best settings.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com <mailto:
>> brianhray at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Sheila:
>>
>>     Outside of conferences, is it possible to submit videos one
>>     records of their own desktop? For example, say I want to record
>>     myself going through a tutorial with just screenshare and audio.
>>     How does this work? Will PyVideo host? What software and format do
>>     I need to use?
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:49 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com
>>     <mailto:shekay at pobox.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi all,
>>
>>         I finally wrote a wiki page about how to suggest videos for
>>         pyvideo.org <http://pyvideo.org>.
>>
>>         <
>> https://github.com/pyvideo/pyvideo/wiki/Suggesting-videos-for-the-site>
>>
>>         This goes in a little bit of detail about the type of
>>         information we'd like
>>         about videos.
>>
>>         cheers!
>>
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From yasoobkhld at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 18:03:05 2015
From: yasoobkhld at gmail.com (Yasoob Khalid)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:03:05 +0500
Subject: [group-organizers] Help regarding the meetup agenda
Message-ID: <CAOjtGVZRtgf+LHDhTh5zzNHj+QDixAyZRs-mXd5=kWQNNx884g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there!

I am Yasoob. I am from Lahore, Pakistan. I have been involved with Python
for a couple of years. I also gave a talk at EuroPython last year. I have
been wanting to start a User Group in my own city for quite some time now.

In Pakistan the meetup culture is not very ripe. I want to know what should
be the format of the first meetup so that people feel more welcomed.

I have got sponsorship from a local company who would be giving us the
venue and a speaker (most probably a django guy). I have prepared a flyer
which I am planning on dropping at the local universities once they open
next month.

I have also found 2 co-organizers for the meetup which are from the same
company sponsoring our meetup. They are willing to co-organize future
meetups as well if this one goes smoothly.

Kindly let me know if there is anything else which I should do and the
agenda of the event which would be welcoming for the attendees. Moreover,
what should I delegate to my co-organizers?

If there is anything else you would like to know then kindly let me know.

p.s: I am going to tweak the poster slightly to add more info (venue, date,
talk titles).

Kind regards,
Muhammad Yasoob Ullah Khalid
Python Tips <http://www.pythontips.com>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 20:31:14 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:31:14 -0400
Subject: [group-organizers] Help regarding the meetup agenda
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In chicago we have some very active co-organizers. They currently are:

Current ChiPy Organizers:

   -     Brian Ray: Chair
   -     Adam Bain: Treasurer
   -     Adam Forsyth: Director of Sponsorship / Fund Raising
   -     Cezar Jenkins: Mailing list / Website
   -     Jason Wirth: Finance SIG Chair, Outreach
   -     Jerry Dumblauskas: Director of Professional Development
   -     Joe Jasinski: Talk Coordinator
   -     Tathagata Dasgupta: Director of Mentorship Program
   -     Tanya Schlusser: Director of Ethics/Conduct

Some are on this list and can talk more about their role. I am pretty much
open to people taking there own route.

With that said, I actually found it helpful to not have too many
co-organizers at first. I think the key is to be as consistent as possible.
For example, last night, someone asked if we can start :30 minutes earlier.
Well I told them no as we have done this this way for almost 13 years. It
is a point of constancy.

As you start your group, you will notice how people are all excited at
first and want to help. Consider what keeps it going once that initial
excitement dies down. Would you want to still have the meeting and keep
things moving if only one other person shows up? Perhaps the answer should
always be Yes. You as the organizer should make a commitment to keep it
going regardless for at least 1 year. I would say if you only have 2 people
showing up after a year, then it might be better to move on. The point is
you are taking this on and your role and your commitment is one of selfish
endeavor. I am sure many on this list can relate.

Warm regards and welcome!

Brian
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Sat Aug 15 09:01:55 2015
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:01:55 +0100
Subject: [group-organizers] Help regarding the meetup agenda
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Hi,

In London we've found the dojo format to be a *lot* of fun, friendly and
with low organising overhead.

http://ntoll.org/article/how-to-run-an-awesome-code-dojo

N.

On 14/08/15 17:03, Yasoob Khalid wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> I am Yasoob. I am from Lahore, Pakistan. I have been involved with Python
> for a couple of years. I also gave a talk at EuroPython last year. I have
> been wanting to start a User Group in my own city for quite some time now.
> 
> In Pakistan the meetup culture is not very ripe. I want to know what should
> be the format of the first meetup so that people feel more welcomed.
> 
> I have got sponsorship from a local company who would be giving us the
> venue and a speaker (most probably a django guy). I have prepared a flyer
> which I am planning on dropping at the local universities once they open
> next month.
> 
> I have also found 2 co-organizers for the meetup which are from the same
> company sponsoring our meetup. They are willing to co-organize future
> meetups as well if this one goes smoothly.
> 
> Kindly let me know if there is anything else which I should do and the
> agenda of the event which would be welcoming for the attendees. Moreover,
> what should I delegate to my co-organizers?
> 
> If there is anything else you would like to know then kindly let me know.
> 
> p.s: I am going to tweak the poster slightly to add more info (venue, date,
> talk titles).
> 
> Kind regards,
> Muhammad Yasoob Ullah Khalid
> Python Tips <http://www.pythontips.com>
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From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 16:22:37 2015
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:22:37 +0000
Subject: [group-organizers] Help regarding the meetup agenda
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Hi Yasoob,
Great points from Brian and Nicholas! I would also like to point you to Ned
Batchelder's interview
http://podcastinit.com/episode-5-ned-batchelder.html - it's a great
resource about community building.
It is interesting both Brian and Ned (both veteran organizers) highlight
the importance of consistency - so that the meetup attendees know what to
expect. Note how structured Nick's coding dojos events are. When we
organized a Coding dojo for a Chicago Mentorship event - we just imported
his well tested format, and it worked out great!

An interesting experiment could be if you put out schedules to the hour for
upcoming 2 or 3 meetups. Of course you can change, but gives the attendees
confidence that there's a plan to follow.


On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:02 AM Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In London we've found the dojo format to be a *lot* of fun, friendly and
> with low organising overhead.
>
> http://ntoll.org/article/how-to-run-an-awesome-code-dojo
>
> N.
>
> On 14/08/15 17:03, Yasoob Khalid wrote:
> > Hi there!
> >
> > I am Yasoob. I am from Lahore, Pakistan. I have been involved with Python
> > for a couple of years. I also gave a talk at EuroPython last year. I have
> > been wanting to start a User Group in my own city for quite some time
> now.
> >
> > In Pakistan the meetup culture is not very ripe. I want to know what
> should
> > be the format of the first meetup so that people feel more welcomed.
> >
> > I have got sponsorship from a local company who would be giving us the
> > venue and a speaker (most probably a django guy). I have prepared a flyer
> > which I am planning on dropping at the local universities once they open
> > next month.
> >
> > I have also found 2 co-organizers for the meetup which are from the same
> > company sponsoring our meetup. They are willing to co-organize future
> > meetups as well if this one goes smoothly.
> >
> > Kindly let me know if there is anything else which I should do and the
> > agenda of the event which would be welcoming for the attendees. Moreover,
> > what should I delegate to my co-organizers?
> >
> > If there is anything else you would like to know then kindly let me know.
> >
> > p.s: I am going to tweak the poster slightly to add more info (venue,
> date,
> > talk titles).
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Muhammad Yasoob Ullah Khalid
> > Python Tips <http://www.pythontips.com>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug 28 16:47:25 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:47:25 -0500
Subject: [group-organizers] Projecting screens during office hours events
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbJmh9X=EkJO7WR3JTDA=BqQ=X+SQ7sych9Q0KR++HVUw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I projected an etherpad and a jupyter session during office hours with
varying degrees of success. Have other people running project nights or
office hours projected etherpads and interactive python sessions?

tl;dr

I had fun at python office hours this week by projecting a notebook from
try.jupyter.org. The notebook is in communities/pyladies/Python 101.ipynb.

I was sitting near a couple of people working through some
http://exercism.io/languages/python exercises, and it helped to project the
notebook up so that I could show both of them examples of string formatting.

And at the beginning of office hours, I projected up an agenda and every
now and then would paste urls people mentioned.

Here's the pad from this week https://etherpad.mozilla.org/NTkPVYPnif

This was the first time I had an etherpad open while running an event, and
it didn't get used as much as I expected for sharing links or comments, but
the interactive notebook experience was good. I'll try it out for a few
more events to see how helpful it is. If it doesn't add much, I'll drop it.

I'm going to maintain a bit.ly link to pads so that I don't need to
remember horrible urls. http://bit.ly/etherpyoo (the nickname at ps1 for
our office hours is PYOO. It sounds like cartoon lasers. pyew pyew)

-- 
shekay at pobox.com
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug 28 16:52:20 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:52:20 -0500
Subject: [group-organizers] Projecting screens during office hours events
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
> I had fun at python office hours this week by projecting a notebook from
> try.jupyter.org. The notebook is in communities/pyladies/Python 101.ipynb.


Tanya in ChiPy organizers worked on it and I'll post back when I know more
about how she chose the content. We were discussing it and my memory is
faulty. I think some of it was inspired by an article on lessons learned
for teaching python to geophysics undergrads, but I can't remember.


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From niko at nerdno.de  Fri Aug 28 21:58:15 2015
From: niko at nerdno.de (Niko Wenselowski)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:58:15 +0200
Subject: [group-organizers] Projecting screens during office hours events
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Hello,

Am 28.08.2015 um 16:47 schrieb sheila miguez:
> Have other people running project nights or office hours projected
> etherpads and interactive python sessions?
We use etherpad at every session to not only have the agenda laid out
(it is created by the attendees) but to also to keep links and notes
in there for recalling things later.

> This was the first time I had an etherpad open while running an
> event, and it didn't get used as much as I expected for sharing
> links or comments, but the interactive notebook experience was
> good. I'll try it out for a few more events to see how helpful it
> is. If it doesn't add much, I'll drop it.
In my experience it depends on how much it is used. But I would not
want to miss it.

After each meeting the pad is archived. In the beginning we collected
links to the various pads. Nowadays we have a small script that
collects the pads and puts them into a repo to have them grep-able.
The part that archives the pads (that does a few more things) can be
found here:
https://github.com/PyStaDa/pystada.github.io/blob/master/new_meeting.py#L121
This works with etherpad lite. For your case (etherpad) you could
adapt this:
https://github.com/PyStaDa/pystada.github.io/blob/8d32d0691fc02cabad7252dff0fa15aeb2ef2b7b/scrape_pads.py


~Niko
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