[EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID

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> From: rasky at develer.com
> To: mal at egenix.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:31:48 +0100
> CC: pycon-organization at googlegroups.com; europython at python.org
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
> 
> On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:57 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > David Mugnai wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 01:38 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > >> David Mugnai wrote:
> > >>> On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 18:58 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > >>>> Hello,
> > >>> Hi
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have two questions regarding the registration process:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. Speaker signup
> > > [snip]
> > >>
> > >> Understood, but since speakers have to pay a different conference
> > >> fee, I was wondering how to register for the conference. Should I
> > >> first register and then submit a talk, or first submit a talk
> > >> and then register ?
> > > 
> > > I understand where the misunderstanding arose. Probably our site is not
> > > clear enough; we don't have different account types, just different
> > > ticket fares. So submit your proposal and wait for the results of the
> > > community voting. If your talk will be accepted we will email you the
> > > instructions to obtain a discounted ticket (sorry but I don't know yet
> > > the discount amount).
> > 
> > Ok.
> > 
> > >>>> 2. Charging VAT to companies
> > > [snip]
> > >> Great.
> > >>
> > >> Note that reverse charging the VAT doesn't have anything
> > >> to do with how much VAT you (would) have to charge in Italy.
> > >> It puts the obligation to pay VAT on the buying
> > >> company, instead of on Python Italia. As a result, the
> > >> taxation happens in the EU country of residence of the
> > >> company, rather than in Italy, making things a lot easier
> > >> for both sides.
> > >>
> > >> For this to work, Python Italy and the company must both
> > >> have a VAT ID and the IDs of both must be listed on the
> > >> invoice.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is the answer from our business consultant:
> > > 
> > >> According to article 52 of Directive 2006/112/EC the place of VAT 
> > >> taxation of cultural and educational services is the place where the 
> > >> services are physically carried out. Therefore the purchase of
> > >> tickets 
> > >> for the attendance of EuroPython 2011 should be taxed in Italy.
> > >>
> > >> Of course our invoice will show Italian VAT separated from the
> > >> taxable 
> > >> amount; anyway as for the above mentioned Article 52, this operation 
> > >> cannot go under the intra-UE VAT reverse-charge scheme.
> > 
> > Thanks for cross-checking. I wasn't aware that the special rule
> > for conferences is still in place, since the EU changed the
> > above directive in Directive 2008/8/EC to use the general approach
> > of taxing B2B transactions at the location of residence of the company
> > receiving the services.
> > 
> > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/vat_on_services/index_en.htm
> > 
> > You can now find the exception to the general rule (article 44)
> > in article 53.
> > 
> > Perhaps you could add a page regarding VAT refund to the site,
> > something like this page for a Swedish event:
> > 
> > http://ebneo.org/wp/index.php/details/vat-refund/
> > 
> > This is the official EU page covering the refund topic:
> > 
> > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/traders/vat_refunds/index_en.htm
> > 
> > For German companies, this is the page they need to check:
> > 
> > http://www.bzst.de/DE/Steuern_International/Umsatzsteuerverguetung/01_Inlaendische_Unternehmer/Inlaendische_Unternehmer_node.html
> 
> Thanks for the references. I have included a link to the explanation
> page on europa.eu in the registration page, and will add a VAT refund
> page later with more information from our business consultant.
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