From mal at egenix.com  Wed Mar  2 23:22:31 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:22:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Hotels
In-Reply-To: <4D5D13A1.8070302@egenix.com>
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	<4D5D13A1.8070302@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <4D6EC327.2050402@egenix.com>

Just in case others want to book the conference hotel:

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Hi Fabio,
> 
> are the rates listed in the hotel list the special rates for EPC ?
> 
> http://ep2011.europython.eu/pages/where/

The special rate for the conference given at the above
URL is available when booking directly with the hotel only.
AFAICT, the EPC rate is better than any of the usual hotel
booking site rates.

> Is breakfast included in those prices ?

Breakfast is included in the special rate.

Hope that helps,
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From fabio.pliger at s3srl.com  Thu Mar  3 10:02:36 2011
From: fabio.pliger at s3srl.com (Fabio Pliger)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:02:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Hotels
In-Reply-To: <4D6EC327.2050402@egenix.com>
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2011/3/2 M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com>

> Just in case others want to book the conference hotel:
>
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > Hi Fabio,
> >
> > are the rates listed in the hotel list the special rates for EPC ?
> >
> > http://ep2011.europython.eu/pages/where/
>
> The special rate for the conference given at the above
> URL is available when booking directly with the hotel only.
> AFAICT, the EPC rate is better than any of the usual hotel
> booking site rates.
>
> > Is breakfast included in those prices ?
>
> Breakfast is included in the special rate.
>  <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython>
>

Thanks for confirming and sharing!
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From info at pycon.it  Tue Mar  8 18:27:12 2011
From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:27:12 -0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Registrations are open!
Message-ID: <20110308172712.31284.47076@python.it>

We have just opened EuroPython registrations; Early Bird period starts today
and is characterized by a special fare, that provides up to a 30% discount
compared with Regular rate.


Validity periods for our rate are the following:


  * **Early Bird** rate starts on March 8th and ends on May 13th;


  * **Regular** rate starts on May 14th and ends on June 12th.


Remember that if you register before April 17th, you will be able to take part
to the [talk voting][1]! Don't miss your chance to contribute to the final
schedule of the conference by expressing your own preferences on what talks
should be selected!


## Fares and Tickets


Beyond the different rates (early and regular) we provide also **different
types of fares and different types of tickets**, for best conference access
for all attendees; we want to optimize costs for every attendees, both those
who attend the whole week and those who attend just a couple of days.


We discern private fares from company fares (higher, but tax deductible). A
special fare is dedicated to young students, that we acknowledge to have a
smaller budget, to allow everybody to take part to the event.


The different types of tickets are the following:


  * **Standard**: valid for all conference days (from 20th to 26th), provides
total access to the whole conference (talks, hands-on trainings and sprints).


  * **Lite**: valid for all conference days (from 20th to 26th), provides
access only to talks and sprints; access to hands-on trainings will not be
allowed. This ticket is suggested only in case you are running short on your
budget for the conference.


  * **Daily Pass**: this ticket provides same features of a Standard ticket,
but it is valid only for a single day. You will be able to specify which day
you are planning to attend.


Over the [registration page][2] you can find a table summarizing all different
ticket features.


## Sponsors


We are currently pursuing [sponsorship deals][3] with companies interested in
visibility at EuroPython 2011. As you know, EuroPython is financed partly by
entrance tickets and partly by sponsor companies. Bring to our notice any
company interested in sponsorship by simply sending us a [email][4], and
contribute to the success of the conference!


## Call for Papers and Guests


As usual, EuroPython will feature **famous speakers** (we're waiting for the
first confirmations!). We will offer everyone **wi-fi facilities** included in
the entrance fare; and don't forget the **lunch and two coffee breaks
included** too for every conference day.


As we anticipated at the opening of the Call for Papers, we kept the
**community voting** of talks alive; we'd like to see more and more
participants to join this new tradition launched in Pycon Italia!


Remember the **Call for Papers is open**, so if you have nearly made up your
mind to propose yourself as a speaker, this is the right time to send us your
proposals!


We remind everybody that you can follow the updates on the conference, in
addition to this blog, both on the [official Facebook page][5] and on the
Twitter profile [@Europython][6].

   [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/talk-voting

   [2]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/registration/

   [3]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/sponsorhip

   [4]: mailto:europython-contact at python.org

   [5]: http://www.facebook.com/pages/EuroPython/196457473701266

   [6]: http://twitter.com/europython

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From av.alessandro at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 11:10:45 2011
From: av.alessandro at gmail.com (Alessandro Volpi)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:10:45 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject)
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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Mar 21 18:58:29 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:58:29 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
Message-ID: <4D8791C5.4020408@egenix.com>

Hello,

I have two questions regarding the registration process:

1. Speaker signup

I'd like to submit a talk or two and would like to register
as speaker, but the registration form only has "private",
"student" and "company".

Is the speaker registration not
available yet, or should I just sign up as "company" and
then set some flag later on ?

2. Charging VAT to companies

On the company registration form you say "Company fares allow
for full tax deduction. 20% VAT will always be included in the
invoices because of Italian tax regulations, and will need to
be fully paid (even by companies in the EU area); in most
countries, VAT can be recovered when filing tax return forms."

The latter is true, but is a lot of paper work and usually
only feasible if you are talking about EUR 500+ in VAT from a
single EU country.

Now to make things easier the EU has
established the EU VAT ID system, where you provide a VAT ID
and reverse charge the VAT to the company buying the ticket.
As a result, no VAT has to be charged on the invoice and
the paper work is reduced to a minimum.

Would it be possible for Python Italy to accept valid VAT IDs
and reverse charge the VAT to the EU companies ?

Here's the EU VAT ID validation site you can use for validating
the IDs:

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do

Thanks,
-- 
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From dvd at gnx.it  Tue Mar 22 01:20:31 2011
From: dvd at gnx.it (David Mugnai)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:20:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
In-Reply-To: <4D8791C5.4020408@egenix.com>
References: <4D8791C5.4020408@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <1300753231.15092.21.camel@jupiter>

On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 18:58 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Hello,
Hi

> I have two questions regarding the registration process:
> 
> 1. Speaker signup
> 
> I'd like to submit a talk or two and would like to register
> as speaker, but the registration form only has "private",
> "student" and "company".
> 
> Is the speaker registration not
> available yet, or should I just sign up as "company" and
> then set some flag later on ?

The speaker registration is opened since February 17th  and will last
until April 6th.

There is no a "private", "student" or "company" account, you can became
a speaker just submitting a talk following this link:

http://ep2011.europython.eu/conference/paper-submission/


The distinctions between "private", "student" or "company" come into
play when you are buying a ticket

> 2. Charging VAT to companies
> 
> On the company registration form you say "Company fares allow
> for full tax deduction. 20% VAT will always be included in the
> invoices because of Italian tax regulations, and will need to
> be fully paid (even by companies in the EU area); in most
> countries, VAT can be recovered when filing tax return forms."
> 
> The latter is true, but is a lot of paper work and usually
> only feasible if you are talking about EUR 500+ in VAT from a
> single EU country.

[snip on the vies system]

The Italian law DPR 633/1972 of 1st Jan 2011, according to our business
consultant, provides a fixed VAT rate of 20% for any sales, regarding
cultural events, until 3000 euro.

In short I don't think that we, Python Italia, can reverse charge the
VAT to your company, but tomorrow I will write to our business
consultant for clarification.

regards
david
-- 
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Ebbene mi contraddico (sono vasto, contengo moltitudini)
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Mar 22 01:38:56 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:38:56 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
In-Reply-To: <1300753231.15092.21.camel@jupiter>
References: <4D8791C5.4020408@egenix.com> <1300753231.15092.21.camel@jupiter>
Message-ID: <4D87EFA0.20000@egenix.com>

David Mugnai wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 18:58 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> Hello,
> Hi
> 
>> I have two questions regarding the registration process:
>>
>> 1. Speaker signup
>>
>> I'd like to submit a talk or two and would like to register
>> as speaker, but the registration form only has "private",
>> "student" and "company".
>>
>> Is the speaker registration not
>> available yet, or should I just sign up as "company" and
>> then set some flag later on ?
> 
> The speaker registration is opened since February 17th  and will last
> until April 6th.
> 
> There is no a "private", "student" or "company" account, you can became
> a speaker just submitting a talk following this link:
> 
> http://ep2011.europython.eu/conference/paper-submission/
> 
> 
> The distinctions between "private", "student" or "company" come into
> play when you are buying a ticket

Understood, but since speakers have to pay a different conference
fee, I was wondering how to register for the conference. Should I
first register and then submit a talk, or first submit a talk
and then register ?

Note that for previous EPCs, there was always an option to
register as "speaker". I'm missing that option or some guidance
as to how to run through the process in a way that doesn't
cause problems later on.

>> 2. Charging VAT to companies
>>
>> On the company registration form you say "Company fares allow
>> for full tax deduction. 20% VAT will always be included in the
>> invoices because of Italian tax regulations, and will need to
>> be fully paid (even by companies in the EU area); in most
>> countries, VAT can be recovered when filing tax return forms."
>>
>> The latter is true, but is a lot of paper work and usually
>> only feasible if you are talking about EUR 500+ in VAT from a
>> single EU country.
> 
> [snip on the vies system]
> 
> The Italian law DPR 633/1972 of 1st Jan 2011, according to our business
> consultant, provides a fixed VAT rate of 20% for any sales, regarding
> cultural events, until 3000 euro.
> 
> In short I don't think that we, Python Italia, can reverse charge the
> VAT to your company, but tomorrow I will write to our business
> consultant for clarification.

Great.

Note that reverse charging the VAT doesn't have anything
to do with how much VAT you (would) have to charge in Italy.
It puts the obligation to pay VAT on the buying
company, instead of on Python Italia. As a result, the
taxation happens in the EU country of residence of the
company, rather than in Italy, making things a lot easier
for both sides.

For this to work, Python Italy and the company must both
have a VAT ID and the IDs of both must be listed on the
invoice.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

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From dvd at gnx.it  Tue Mar 22 09:51:11 2011
From: dvd at gnx.it (David Mugnai)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:51:11 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
In-Reply-To: <4D87EFA0.20000@egenix.com>
References: <4D8791C5.4020408@egenix.com>
	<1300753231.15092.21.camel@jupiter>  <4D87EFA0.20000@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <1300783871.2468.28.camel@bluray>

On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 01:38 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> David Mugnai wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 18:58 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> >> Hello,
> > Hi
> > 
> >> I have two questions regarding the registration process:
> >>
> >> 1. Speaker signup
[snip]
> 
> Understood, but since speakers have to pay a different conference
> fee, I was wondering how to register for the conference. Should I
> first register and then submit a talk, or first submit a talk
> and then register ?

I understand where the misunderstanding arose. Probably our site is not
clear enough; we don't have different account types, just different
ticket fares. So submit your proposal and wait for the results of the
community voting. If your talk will be accepted we will email you the
instructions to obtain a discounted ticket (sorry but I don't know yet
the discount amount).

> >> 2. Charging VAT to companies
[snip]
> Great.
> 
> Note that reverse charging the VAT doesn't have anything
> to do with how much VAT you (would) have to charge in Italy.
> It puts the obligation to pay VAT on the buying
> company, instead of on Python Italia. As a result, the
> taxation happens in the EU country of residence of the
> company, rather than in Italy, making things a lot easier
> for both sides.
> 
> For this to work, Python Italy and the company must both
> have a VAT ID and the IDs of both must be listed on the
> invoice.


This is the answer from our business consultant:

> According to article 52 of Directive 2006/112/EC the place of VAT  
> taxation of cultural and educational services is the place where the  
> services are physically carried out. Therefore the purchase of
> tickets  
> for the attendance of EuroPython 2011 should be taxed in Italy.
> 
> Of course our invoice will show Italian VAT separated from the
> taxable  
> amount; anyway as for the above mentioned Article 52, this operation  
> cannot go under the intra-UE VAT reverse-charge scheme.

regards
david


-- 
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Ebbene mi contraddico (sono vasto, contengo moltitudini)
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Mar 22 10:57:12 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:57:12 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
In-Reply-To: <1300783871.2468.28.camel@bluray>
References: <4D8791C5.4020408@egenix.com>	<1300753231.15092.21.camel@jupiter>
	<4D87EFA0.20000@egenix.com> <1300783871.2468.28.camel@bluray>
Message-ID: <4D887278.50903@egenix.com>

David Mugnai wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 01:38 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> David Mugnai wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 18:58 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>> I have two questions regarding the registration process:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Speaker signup
> [snip]
>>
>> Understood, but since speakers have to pay a different conference
>> fee, I was wondering how to register for the conference. Should I
>> first register and then submit a talk, or first submit a talk
>> and then register ?
> 
> I understand where the misunderstanding arose. Probably our site is not
> clear enough; we don't have different account types, just different
> ticket fares. So submit your proposal and wait for the results of the
> community voting. If your talk will be accepted we will email you the
> instructions to obtain a discounted ticket (sorry but I don't know yet
> the discount amount).

Ok.

>>>> 2. Charging VAT to companies
> [snip]
>> Great.
>>
>> Note that reverse charging the VAT doesn't have anything
>> to do with how much VAT you (would) have to charge in Italy.
>> It puts the obligation to pay VAT on the buying
>> company, instead of on Python Italia. As a result, the
>> taxation happens in the EU country of residence of the
>> company, rather than in Italy, making things a lot easier
>> for both sides.
>>
>> For this to work, Python Italy and the company must both
>> have a VAT ID and the IDs of both must be listed on the
>> invoice.
> 
> 
> This is the answer from our business consultant:
> 
>> According to article 52 of Directive 2006/112/EC the place of VAT  
>> taxation of cultural and educational services is the place where the  
>> services are physically carried out. Therefore the purchase of
>> tickets  
>> for the attendance of EuroPython 2011 should be taxed in Italy.
>>
>> Of course our invoice will show Italian VAT separated from the
>> taxable  
>> amount; anyway as for the above mentioned Article 52, this operation  
>> cannot go under the intra-UE VAT reverse-charge scheme.

Thanks for cross-checking. I wasn't aware that the special rule
for conferences is still in place, since the EU changed the
above directive in Directive 2008/8/EC to use the general approach
of taxing B2B transactions at the location of residence of the company
receiving the services.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/vat_on_services/index_en.htm

You can now find the exception to the general rule (article 44)
in article 53.

Perhaps you could add a page regarding VAT refund to the site,
something like this page for a Swedish event:

http://ebneo.org/wp/index.php/details/vat-refund/

This is the official EU page covering the refund topic:

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/traders/vat_refunds/index_en.htm

For German companies, this is the page they need to check:

http://www.bzst.de/DE/Steuern_International/Umsatzsteuerverguetung/01_Inlaendische_Unternehmer/Inlaendische_Unternehmer_node.html

Thanks,
-- 
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eGenix.com

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From rasky at develer.com  Tue Mar 22 12:31:48 2011
From: rasky at develer.com (Giovanni Bajo)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:31:48 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
In-Reply-To: <4D887278.50903@egenix.com>
References: <4D8791C5.4020408@egenix.com>
	<1300753231.15092.21.camel@jupiter> <4D87EFA0.20000@egenix.com>
	<1300783871.2468.28.camel@bluray>  <4D887278.50903@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <1300793508.2307.111.camel@lilax>

On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:57 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> David Mugnai wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 01:38 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> >> David Mugnai wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 18:58 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>>> I have two questions regarding the registration process:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Speaker signup
> > [snip]
> >>
> >> Understood, but since speakers have to pay a different conference
> >> fee, I was wondering how to register for the conference. Should I
> >> first register and then submit a talk, or first submit a talk
> >> and then register ?
> > 
> > I understand where the misunderstanding arose. Probably our site is not
> > clear enough; we don't have different account types, just different
> > ticket fares. So submit your proposal and wait for the results of the
> > community voting. If your talk will be accepted we will email you the
> > instructions to obtain a discounted ticket (sorry but I don't know yet
> > the discount amount).
> 
> Ok.
> 
> >>>> 2. Charging VAT to companies
> > [snip]
> >> Great.
> >>
> >> Note that reverse charging the VAT doesn't have anything
> >> to do with how much VAT you (would) have to charge in Italy.
> >> It puts the obligation to pay VAT on the buying
> >> company, instead of on Python Italia. As a result, the
> >> taxation happens in the EU country of residence of the
> >> company, rather than in Italy, making things a lot easier
> >> for both sides.
> >>
> >> For this to work, Python Italy and the company must both
> >> have a VAT ID and the IDs of both must be listed on the
> >> invoice.
> > 
> > 
> > This is the answer from our business consultant:
> > 
> >> According to article 52 of Directive 2006/112/EC the place of VAT  
> >> taxation of cultural and educational services is the place where the  
> >> services are physically carried out. Therefore the purchase of
> >> tickets  
> >> for the attendance of EuroPython 2011 should be taxed in Italy.
> >>
> >> Of course our invoice will show Italian VAT separated from the
> >> taxable  
> >> amount; anyway as for the above mentioned Article 52, this operation  
> >> cannot go under the intra-UE VAT reverse-charge scheme.
> 
> Thanks for cross-checking. I wasn't aware that the special rule
> for conferences is still in place, since the EU changed the
> above directive in Directive 2008/8/EC to use the general approach
> of taxing B2B transactions at the location of residence of the company
> receiving the services.
> 
> http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/vat_on_services/index_en.htm
> 
> You can now find the exception to the general rule (article 44)
> in article 53.
> 
> Perhaps you could add a page regarding VAT refund to the site,
> something like this page for a Swedish event:
> 
> http://ebneo.org/wp/index.php/details/vat-refund/
> 
> This is the official EU page covering the refund topic:
> 
> http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/traders/vat_refunds/index_en.htm
> 
> For German companies, this is the page they need to check:
> 
> http://www.bzst.de/DE/Steuern_International/Umsatzsteuerverguetung/01_Inlaendische_Unternehmer/Inlaendische_Unternehmer_node.html

Thanks for the references. I have included a link to the explanation
page on europa.eu in the registration page, and will add a VAT refund
page later with more information from our business consultant.
-- 
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Subject: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
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> From: rasky at develer.com
> To: mal at egenix.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:31:48 +0100
> CC: pycon-organization at googlegroups.com; europython at python.org
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Registering as speaker / EU VAT ID
> 
> On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:57 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > David Mugnai wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 01:38 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > >> David Mugnai wrote:
> > >>> On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 18:58 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > >>>> Hello,
> > >>> Hi
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have two questions regarding the registration process:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. Speaker signup
> > > [snip]
> > >>
> > >> Understood, but since speakers have to pay a different conference
> > >> fee, I was wondering how to register for the conference. Should I
> > >> first register and then submit a talk, or first submit a talk
> > >> and then register ?
> > > 
> > > I understand where the misunderstanding arose. Probably our site is not
> > > clear enough; we don't have different account types, just different
> > > ticket fares. So submit your proposal and wait for the results of the
> > > community voting. If your talk will be accepted we will email you the
> > > instructions to obtain a discounted ticket (sorry but I don't know yet
> > > the discount amount).
> > 
> > Ok.
> > 
> > >>>> 2. Charging VAT to companies
> > > [snip]
> > >> Great.
> > >>
> > >> Note that reverse charging the VAT doesn't have anything
> > >> to do with how much VAT you (would) have to charge in Italy.
> > >> It puts the obligation to pay VAT on the buying
> > >> company, instead of on Python Italia. As a result, the
> > >> taxation happens in the EU country of residence of the
> > >> company, rather than in Italy, making things a lot easier
> > >> for both sides.
> > >>
> > >> For this to work, Python Italy and the company must both
> > >> have a VAT ID and the IDs of both must be listed on the
> > >> invoice.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is the answer from our business consultant:
> > > 
> > >> According to article 52 of Directive 2006/112/EC the place of VAT 
> > >> taxation of cultural and educational services is the place where the 
> > >> services are physically carried out. Therefore the purchase of
> > >> tickets 
> > >> for the attendance of EuroPython 2011 should be taxed in Italy.
> > >>
> > >> Of course our invoice will show Italian VAT separated from the
> > >> taxable 
> > >> amount; anyway as for the above mentioned Article 52, this operation 
> > >> cannot go under the intra-UE VAT reverse-charge scheme.
> > 
> > Thanks for cross-checking. I wasn't aware that the special rule
> > for conferences is still in place, since the EU changed the
> > above directive in Directive 2008/8/EC to use the general approach
> > of taxing B2B transactions at the location of residence of the company
> > receiving the services.
> > 
> > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/vat_on_services/index_en.htm
> > 
> > You can now find the exception to the general rule (article 44)
> > in article 53.
> > 
> > Perhaps you could add a page regarding VAT refund to the site,
> > something like this page for a Swedish event:
> > 
> > http://ebneo.org/wp/index.php/details/vat-refund/
> > 
> > This is the official EU page covering the refund topic:
> > 
> > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/traders/vat_refunds/index_en.htm
> > 
> > For German companies, this is the page they need to check:
> > 
> > http://www.bzst.de/DE/Steuern_International/Umsatzsteuerverguetung/01_Inlaendische_Unternehmer/Inlaendische_Unternehmer_node.html
> 
> Thanks for the references. I have included a link to the explanation
> page on europa.eu in the registration page, and will add a VAT refund
> page later with more information from our business consultant.
> -- 
> Giovanni Bajo :: rasky at develer.com
> Develer S.r.l. :: http://www.develer.com
> 
> My Blog: http://giovanni.bajo.it
> Last post: Compile-time Function Execution in D
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2011 - Florence June 19-26
> http://ep2011.europython.eu/
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
 		 	   		  
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From info at pycon.it  Mon Mar 28 12:05:56 2011
From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:05:56 -0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Google Diversity Grant: a free ticket for female CS
	students
Message-ID: <20110328100556.2370.43895@python.it>

We have just published a [new page][1] with all the details.     If you are a
femal computer scientist student, and you were planning to attend to the
conference, we recommend that you go reading the grant details and apply to
it.

   [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/google-diversity-grant

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From info at pycon.it  Mon Mar 28 12:18:59 2011
From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:18:59 -0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Google Diversity Grant: a free ticket for female CS
	students
Message-ID: <20110328101859.2370.35012@python.it>

We have just published a [new page][1] with all the details.


If you are a female computer scientist student, and you were planning to
attend to the conference, we recommend that you go reading the grant details
and apply to it.


Google, the [Python Software Foundation][2], and the [Python Italia
Association][3] are committed to increase the diversity within the Python
community, and encourage more female computer scientists to attend our events.


As organizers, we will strive to provide an environment which can be enjoyed
by everybody, regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, disability or
race. Our [code of conduct][4] (that every person taking part to the event is
required to agree with) has been carefully designed to reflect our goals.


## Schedule reminders


Call for paper will close on April 6th! Make sure to not miss the date and
[submit your proposal now][5]!


Registrations are open! [Buy a ticket][6] before April 11th to take part to
the [community talk voting][7]!

   [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/google-diversity-grant

   [2]: http://www.python.org/psf/

   [3]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/python-italia

   [4]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/code-of-conduct

   [5]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/call-for-papers

   [6]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/registration

   [7]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/talk-voting

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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Mar 28 17:18:44 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:18:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker registration
In-Reply-To: <20110328101859.2370.35012@python.it>
References: <20110328101859.2370.35012@python.it>
Message-ID: <4D90A6D4.6090908@egenix.com>

info at pycon.it wrote:
> Registrations are open! [Buy a ticket][6] before April 11th to take part to
> the [community talk voting][7]!
> 
>    [5]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/call-for-papers
> 
>    [6]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/registration
> 
>    [7]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/talk-voting

Hmm, this introduces a race condition for speakers :-)

Since you recommended for speakers to register after the talk
voting process, (potential) speakers cannot take part in the
talk voting process, it seems.

-- 
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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Mar 28 17:20:07 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:20:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Poster session ?
Message-ID: <4D90A727.6010000@egenix.com>

Hello,

I've heard lots of good things about the PyCon US poster sessions
and like those session at other conferences as well.

Will EuroPython 2011 have a poster session as well ?

Thanks,
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From rasky at develer.com  Mon Mar 28 20:35:50 2011
From: rasky at develer.com (Giovanni Bajo)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:35:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker registration
In-Reply-To: <4D90A6D4.6090908@egenix.com>
References: <20110328101859.2370.35012@python.it> <4D90A6D4.6090908@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <1301337350.2258.730.camel@lilax>

On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 17:18 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> info at pycon.it wrote:
> > Registrations are open! [Buy a ticket][6] before April 11th to take part to
> > the [community talk voting][7]!
> > 
> >    [5]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/call-for-papers
> > 
> >    [6]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/registration
> > 
> >    [7]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/talk-voting
> 
> Hmm, this introduces a race condition for speakers :-)
> 
> Since you recommended for speakers to register after the talk
> voting process, (potential) speakers cannot take part in the
> talk voting process, it seems.

The race condition happens if someone wants to benefit from the
discounted rate for a speaker *and* take part into the community voting.

It could be argued that someone who submitted a talk should not take
part into the voting process. In that case, there would be no race
condition.

Or he/she can decide to pay the full ticket price and take part to the
voting process, giving up the discounted rate he would have access to if
his/her talk is later accepted.

This compromise has worked out pretty well in PyCon Italy[1], but maybe
numbers are different in EuroPython.

All in all, we are pretty flexible. If you buy a full ticket, do the
voting, and later ask for a partial refund, we won't let you down. There
is just no streamlined process for this, that's all.

[1] In fact, in 2010 about half of the speakers bought the full ticket
anyway to support the event.
-- 
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Develer S.r.l.  ::  http://www.develer.com

My Blog: http://giovanni.bajo.it
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From renskers at goldmund-wyldebeast-wunderliebe.com  Tue Mar 29 13:41:19 2011
From: renskers at goldmund-wyldebeast-wunderliebe.com (Kevin Renskers)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:41:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] iPhone app
Message-ID: <53667A2BEDCE416685E4558CB986CFC4@goldmund-wyldebeast-wunderliebe.com>

Hi,

I read on the website that you are looking for volunteers to build mobile apps for EuroPython. I don't know if you already have people to build an iPhone app, but if not: I am interested. 

I have built three iPhone apps for my company: http://itunes.apple.com/nl/artist/goldmund-wyldebeast-wunderliebe/id380925906. The apps are only available in the Dutch app store so you probably can't see them. Two of the apps actually deal with programs for theaters, the other is an app for a jobboard.

Regards,
Kevin Renskers

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From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Mar 30 15:27:51 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:27:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Offer: trip from Stuttgart Area to Florence, by car
Message-ID: <1301491671.3030.119.camel@x300>

Very likely, I'll drive by car (which is a Toyota Prius 2006 btw. :).

From: Stuttgart Area To: Florence (and back)

Details are there: http://wiki.python.de/EuroPython/CarSharing2011



From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Mar 30 15:16:36 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:16:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Offer: Affordable shared hotel room in walking
 distance to conference hotel
Message-ID: <1301490996.3030.108.camel@x300>

All details are there:

http://wiki.python.de/EuroPython/RoomSharing2011

First come, first serve - do not wait too long it will be gone.




From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed Mar 30 16:01:36 2011
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:01:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Wrong information in footer of mailing list posts
In-Reply-To: <1301491671.3030.119.camel@x300>
References: <1301491671.3030.119.camel@x300>
Message-ID: <1301493696.3030.121.camel@x300>

The web site says June 20-26, the footer says:

> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2011 - Florence June 19-26
> http://ep2011.europython.eu/



From lac at openend.se  Wed Mar 30 16:06:11 2011
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:06:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Wrong information in footer of mailing list posts
In-Reply-To: Message from Thomas Waldmann <tw@waldmann-edv.de> 
	of "Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:01:36 +0200." <1301493696.3030.121.camel@x300> 
References: <1301491671.3030.119.camel@x300> <1301493696.3030.121.camel@x300> 
Message-ID: <201103301406.p2UE6B4w031158@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:01:36 +0200, Thomas Waldmann writes:
>The web site says June 20-26, the footer says:
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython 2011 - Florence June 19-26
>> http://ep2011.europython.eu/

Changed, thank you.

Laura

From info at pycon.it  Thu Mar 31 17:59:04 2011
From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:59:04 -0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Call for Paper is ending! Please spread the word!
Message-ID: <20110331155904.15070.21376@python.it>

Europython [end of Call for Presentations is April 6th][1]. We'd like to ask
to you to **forward this post to anyone that you feel may be interested**.


We're looking for proposals on every aspects of Python: programming from
novice to advanced levels, applications and frameworks, or how you have been
involved in introducing Python into your organisation.


**First-time speakers are especially welcome**; EuroPython is a community
conference and we are eager to hear about your experience. If you have friends
or colleagues who have something valuable to contribute, twist their arms to
tell us about it!


## Presenting at EuroPython


We will accept a broad range of presentations, from reports on academic and
commercial projects to tutorials and case studies. As long as the presentation
is interesting and potentially useful to the Python community, it will be
considered for inclusion in the programme.


  * Can you show the conference-goers something new and useful?


  * Can you show attendees how to: use a module?


  * Explore a Python language feature?


  * Package an application?


##### [Submit a talk][2]

   [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/call-for-papers

   [2]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/%7B%%20url%20conference-paper-
submission%20%%7D

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