From Tom Deprez" Hi, Mmm, looks very silent, I think we need to get some people start working :-) and further it's good to put my mind to something else for the moment. Okay, if we want people, we need to be able to show them what we can offer to them, so I think we need start finding people who are willing to give a talk. Before that, we need to find the people who want to be Track Chairman. The sooner we can do this, the better. Todo list concerning Talks: --------------------------- 1) Finding Chairman 2) Devide tracks per day and room (chairman can start already with finding people): Making Slots 3) Fill up the track-slots with talks TODO 1: Finding Chairman ----------------------------- Let's figure this out first. Here are the tracks for EP2003 and the people willing to be chairman. Tell me if this is correct or not correct. PS: *No answer* is automatically removal and possibly also the removal of the track if we don't find a person willing to be chairman. Proposed Tracks: ------------------ Can also be seen at http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions Python Applications Track (?) Python Frameworks Track (Martijn Faassen) Python Language Track (Michael Hudson, Martijn Faassen) Python in Business Track (Tim Couper, Marc-Andre Lemburg) Python in Science & Industry Track (Nicolas Chauvat) Python/Zope in Public Administrations (Nicolas Pettiaux) Zope Track (Paul Everitt) What I ask from the members of this list: A) Look for your name, track and tell me if this is correct. B) Who wants to be chairman of: Python Applications Track; BoF's; Lightning Talks Thanks for your coöperation, Regards, Tom From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Sat Mar 1 13:34:35 2003 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:34:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> References: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20030301133435.GC30172@logilab.fr> On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 02:14:43PM +0100, Tom Deprez wrote: > Todo list concerning Talks: > --------------------------- > 1) Finding Chairman > 2) Devide tracks per day and room (chairman can start already with > finding people): Making Slots > 3) Fill up the track-slots with talks Didn't we agree the other day on IRC that Paul would be doing the "cat herding" for tracks and track champions ? > correct. PS: *No answer* is automatically removal and possibly also the > removal of the track if we don't find a person willing to be chairman. > > Python in Science & Industry Track (Nicolas Chauvat) Pong. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais oł est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From paul@eurozope.org Sat Mar 1 13:56:37 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:56:37 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <20030301133435.GC30172@logilab.fr> Message-ID: <9EEBD14C-4BED-11D7-8FDD-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> On samedi, mars 1, 2003, at 14:34 Europe/Paris, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 02:14:43PM +0100, Tom Deprez wrote: >> Todo list concerning Talks: >> --------------------------- >> 1) Finding Chairman >> 2) Devide tracks per day and room (chairman can start already with >> finding people): Making Slots >> 3) Fill up the track-slots with talks > > Didn't we agree the other day on IRC that Paul would be doing the "cat > herding" for tracks and track champions ? Yep, and I then disappeared for five days. :^( I'm back in the office for a while, so I can get started on this again. --Paul From Tom Deprez" <20030301133435.GC30172@logilab.fr> Message-ID: <005a01c2e006$a7714880$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> > Didn't we agree the other day on IRC that Paul would be doing the > "cat herding" for tracks and track champions ? > Correct, but since Paul didn't moved for a few days, I thought he was busy and I wanted to give Paul a hand. Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sat Mar 1 21:23:38 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 22:23:38 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> References: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi, > > Mmm, looks very silent, I think we need to get some people start working > :-) and further it's good to put my mind to something else for the > moment. > > Okay, if we want people, we need to be able to show them what we can > offer to them, so I think we need start finding people who are willing > to give a talk. Before that, we need to find the people who want to be > Track Chairman. The sooner we can do this, the better. > > Todo list concerning Talks: > --------------------------- > 1) Finding Chairman Please add 1 a) setup the talk submission form (I've asked for this before, but so far nothing happened -- how are track chairmen supposed to organize the tracks without this tool ?) > 2) Devide tracks per day and room (chairman can start already with > finding people): Making Slots You can only do this once you have an approximate idea of how many talks there will be, so I'd suggest to postpone this for at least a few weeks. > 3) Fill up the track-slots with talks Dito. > Proposed Tracks: > ------------------ > Can also be seen at http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions > > Python in Business Track (Tim Couper, Marc-Andre Lemburg) That's correct and we are ready to start, except for the above issue :-/ -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 01 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 31 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 115 days left From Tom Deprez" <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> > Please add > > 1 a) setup the talk submission form (I've asked for this before, but > so far nothing happened -- how are track chairmen supposed to > organize the tracks without this tool ?) This is already *done*. Joachim posted this a few weeks ago. Looks like you missed that mail. Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sun Mar 2 12:41:25 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 13:41:25 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> References: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > >>Please add >> >>1 a) setup the talk submission form (I've asked for this before, but >> so far nothing happened -- how are track chairmen supposed to >> organize the tracks without this tool ?) > > > This is already *done*. Joachim posted this a few weeks ago. Looks like > you missed that mail. I saw a post about the beta and commented on it, but I must have missed the posting about the final version going online on the www.europython.org site. Clicking on the Talks link there doesn't give any hint where to submit new talks (ideally the tracks description should have such links for all mentioned tracks). It is also not very useful IMHO to have the Talks link display a list of 2002 talks. Other nits: * the press release link still points to a release dated 2002 * most other links say "no decisions have been made..." * the hotel reservation pages still mention EPC2002 - have there been talks with the hotels about offering reductions similar to the ones we had last year ? * the FAQ mentions a proceddings CD -- AFAIK there never was such a CD for the EPC 2002 event; also what ever became of the audio taping we did last year ? * the FAQ should be updated to say "speakers won't have to register for the conference, but there is a small fee for catering" -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 02 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 30 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 114 days left From paul@eurozope.org Sun Mar 2 12:49:07 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:49:07 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <5B3A2A96-4CAD-11D7-9973-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> I'll work on these (with Tom's help) in the next 24 hours. I'm sidelined by a smashed thumb on my spacebar finger. :^) --Paul On dimanche, mars 2, 2003, at 13:41 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Tom Deprez wrote: >> >>> Please add >>> >>> 1 a) setup the talk submission form (I've asked for this before, but >>> so far nothing happened -- how are track chairmen supposed to >>> organize the tracks without this tool ?) >> This is already *done*. Joachim posted this a few weeks ago. Looks >> like >> you missed that mail. > > I saw a post about the beta and commented on it, but I must > have missed the posting about the final version going online > on the www.europython.org site. Clicking on the Talks link > there doesn't give any hint where to submit new talks (ideally > the tracks description should have such links for all mentioned > tracks). It is also not very useful IMHO to have the Talks > link display a list of 2002 talks. > > Other nits: > > * the press release link still points to a release dated 2002 > > * most other links say "no decisions have been made..." > > * the hotel reservation pages still mention EPC2002 - have there > been talks with the hotels about offering reductions similar > to the ones we had last year ? > > * the FAQ mentions a proceddings CD -- AFAIK there never was > such a CD for the EPC 2002 event; also what ever became > of the audio taping we did last year ? > > * the FAQ should be updated to say "speakers won't have to register > for the conference, but there is a small fee for catering" > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 02 > 2003) > >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... > http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... > http://python.egenix.com/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Python UK 2003, Oxford: 30 days > left > EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 114 days > left > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From Tom Deprez" <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <002001c2e0ec$2b29f970$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> For the track chairman it's on: http://www.europython.org/Admin But, Paul will inform all chairmans about it (when we have all chairman). > * the press release link still points to a release dated 2002 Yup, with the lack of no other one. I thought on removing it, but then I'm sure people will complain that there is nothing... > * most other links say "no decisions have been made..." Correct, I haven't seen much people on the IRC meetings either.... I'm having rough weeks here, so it stays like I've left it behind (strange isn't it, with how many people are we?). Do you all think that it will work out without doing something? > * the hotel reservation pages still mention EPC2002 - have there > been talks with the hotels about offering reductions similar > to the ones we had last year ? NO, it's not my task. > * the FAQ mentions a proceddings CD -- AFAIK there never was > such a CD for the EPC 2002 event; also what ever became > of the audio taping we did last year ? Are there volunteers for helping? I don't have the tapes, and I didn't proposed to do it. It's all voluntairy work... so if the people didn't do it because they didn't found the time, I don't complain. > * the FAQ should be updated to say "speakers won't have to register > for the conference, but there is a small fee for catering" Go ahead, you've a login. Sorry to tell, but can you only complain? If you see something missing, correct it or ask how to correct it. Tom. M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Tom Deprez wrote: >> >> >>> Please add >>> >>> 1 a) setup the talk submission form (I've asked for this before, but >>> so far nothing happened -- how are track chairmen supposed to >>> organize the tracks without this tool ?) >> >> >> This is already *done*. Joachim posted this a few weeks ago. Looks >> like you missed that mail. > > I saw a post about the beta and commented on it, but I must > have missed the posting about the final version going online > on the www.europython.org site. Clicking on the Talks link > there doesn't give any hint where to submit new talks (ideally > the tracks description should have such links for all mentioned > tracks). It is also not very useful IMHO to have the Talks > link display a list of 2002 talks. > > Other nits: > > * the press release link still points to a release dated 2002 > > * most other links say "no decisions have been made..." > > * the hotel reservation pages still mention EPC2002 - have there > been talks with the hotels about offering reductions similar > to the ones we had last year ? > > * the FAQ mentions a proceddings CD -- AFAIK there never was > such a CD for the EPC 2002 event; also what ever became > of the audio taping we did last year ? > > * the FAQ should be updated to say "speakers won't have to register > for the conference, but there is a small fee for catering" From mal@lemburg.com Sun Mar 2 19:17:27 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:17:27 +0100 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <002001c2e0ec$2b29f970$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> References: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> <002001c2e0ec$2b29f970$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3E6258C7.9040800@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > For the track chairman it's on: > > http://www.europython.org/Admin > > But, Paul will inform all chairmans about it (when we have all > chairman). Ok, but I thought that track chairmen would be able to direct people willing to do a talk to a public talk registration page like the one Joachim posted ?! > [other nits] > > Sorry to tell, but can you only complain? If you see something missing, > correct it or ask how to correct it. Sorry, Tom, but I don't have much time to invest in this event apart from the job as track chairman. The only help I can offer is an occasional review and some suggestions on how to improve the situation. I am not criticizing your work here, just hinting at things to improve in the hope that some others will jump in to help you. As I see things, you are taking on the complete load this year and that is a very poor situation. If that's really what folks want, then I would like to encourage you to raise the entry fees and grant yourself a good compensation for all the work you are putting into this. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 02 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 30 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 114 days left From mal@lemburg.com Sun Mar 2 19:29:00 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:29:00 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <5B3A2A96-4CAD-11D7-9973-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> References: <5B3A2A96-4CAD-11D7-9973-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <3E625B7C.7050505@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > I'll work on these (with Tom's help) in the next 24 hours. I'm > sidelined by a smashed thumb on my spacebar finger. :^) Great (well, not the thumb :-) Thanks ! > --Paul > > On dimanche, mars 2, 2003, at 13:41 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> Tom Deprez wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> Please add >>>> >>>> 1 a) setup the talk submission form (I've asked for this before, but >>>> so far nothing happened -- how are track chairmen supposed to >>>> organize the tracks without this tool ?) >>> >>> This is already *done*. Joachim posted this a few weeks ago. Looks like >>> you missed that mail. >> >> >> I saw a post about the beta and commented on it, but I must >> have missed the posting about the final version going online >> on the www.europython.org site. Clicking on the Talks link >> there doesn't give any hint where to submit new talks (ideally >> the tracks description should have such links for all mentioned >> tracks). It is also not very useful IMHO to have the Talks >> link display a list of 2002 talks. >> >> Other nits: >> >> * the press release link still points to a release dated 2002 >> >> * most other links say "no decisions have been made..." >> >> * the hotel reservation pages still mention EPC2002 - have there >> been talks with the hotels about offering reductions similar >> to the ones we had last year ? >> >> * the FAQ mentions a proceddings CD -- AFAIK there never was >> such a CD for the EPC 2002 event; also what ever became >> of the audio taping we did last year ? >> >> * the FAQ should be updated to say "speakers won't have to register >> for the conference, but there is a small fee for catering" -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 02 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 30 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 114 days left From Tom Deprez" <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> <002001c2e0ec$2b29f970$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E6258C7.9040800@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <007901c2e0f7$e24e4740$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> > Sorry, Tom, but I don't have much time to invest in this event > apart from the job as track chairman. The only help I can offer > is an occasional review and some suggestions on how to improve > the situation. I am not criticizing your work here, just > hinting at things to improve in the hope that some others > will jump in to help you. I'm sorry Marc-Andre. I apologize, I now more than ever you want to have another succesfull EP2003. You did a great job last year and you're again giving some good information. Points which need to be done. Sorry for being that brunt and thanks for giving the information Tom. From Tom Deprez" <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> <002001c2e0ec$2b29f970$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E6258C7.9040800@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <008201c2e0f7$e582e560$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Tom Deprez wrote: >> For the track chairman it's on: >> >> http://www.europython.org/Admin >> >> But, Paul will inform all chairmans about it (when we have all >> chairman). > > Ok, but I thought that track chairmen would be able to direct > people willing to do a talk to a public talk registration page > like the one Joachim posted ?! It's on that link as well (ie a shortcut top left) : http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> <002001c2e0ec$2b29f970$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E6258C7.9040800@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <008a01c2e0f7$ea187310$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> > Sorry, Tom, but I don't have much time to invest in this event > apart from the job as track chairman. The only help I can offer > is an occasional review and some suggestions on how to improve > the situation. I am not criticizing your work here, just > hinting at things to improve in the hope that some others > will jump in to help you. I'm sorry Marc-Andre. I apologize, I now more than ever you want to have another succesfull EP2003. You did a great job last year and you're again giving some good information. Points which need to be done. Sorry for being that brunt and thanks for giving the information Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sun Mar 2 20:27:06 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 21:27:06 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <008201c2e0f7$e582e560$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> References: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> <002001c2e0ec$2b29f970$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E6258C7.9040800@lemburg.com> <008201c2e0f7$e582e560$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3E62691A.8050602@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>Tom Deprez wrote: >> >>>For the track chairman it's on: >>> >>>http://www.europython.org/Admin >>> >>>But, Paul will inform all chairmans about it (when we have all >>>chairman). >> >>Ok, but I thought that track chairmen would be able to direct >>people willing to do a talk to a public talk registration page >>like the one Joachim posted ?! > > It's on that link as well (ie a shortcut top left) : > http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor Ah, so we can start using that link ? If so, I'd suggest to remove the gender field... why would it matter whether we have a male or a female speaker ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 02 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 30 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 114 days left From Tom Deprez" <3E6124DA.5060507@lemburg.com> <000901c2e05a$6c815950$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E61FBF5.8090808@lemburg.com> <002001c2e0ec$2b29f970$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E6258C7.9040800@lemburg.com> <008201c2e0f7$e582e560$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <3E62691A.8050602@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00c001c2e0fc$a166bb40$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> >> It's on that link as well (ie a shortcut top left) : >> http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor > > Ah, so we can start using that link ? If so, I'd suggest to > remove the gender field... why would it matter whether we > have a male or a female speaker ? I guess it's placed there, so you can talk to the person with the correct 'title' Mrs., Mr. etc. But maybe this isn't that important: Joachim, could you remove this field? Or do you have some objections against removing it? Tom. From mwh@python.net Mon Mar 3 12:40:55 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:40:55 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> ("Tom Deprez"'s message of "Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:14:43 +0100") References: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <2mfzq4vd0o.fsf@starship.python.net> "Tom Deprez" writes: > Python Language Track (Michael Hudson, Martijn Faassen) This is correct. Cheers, M. -- That one is easily explained away as massively intricate conspiracy, though. -- Chris Klein, alt.sysadmin.recovery From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 3 12:48:07 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:48:07 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Business Hotel Message-ID: <3E634F07.6010703@lemburg.com> Just thought, I'd mention this: if you make a reservation at the Business Hotel and tell them you are booking for EuroPython 2003, they will again give you the reduced rate of EUR 66 + EUR 7 for breakfast. Looks like they remembered us :-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 03 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 29 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 113 days left From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Mon Mar 3 14:30:16 2003 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:30:16 -0000 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Business Hotel In-Reply-To: <3E634F07.6010703@lemburg.com> Message-ID: Hi, > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: europython-admin@python.org [mailto:europython-admin@python.org]Im > Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg > Gesendet: Montag, 3. Marz 2003 12:48 > An: EuroPython Mailing List > Betreff: [EuroPython] Business Hotel > > > Just thought, I'd mention this: if you make a reservation > at the Business Hotel and tell them you are booking for > EuroPython 2003, they will again give you the reduced rate of > EUR 66 + EUR 7 for breakfast. > > Looks like they remembered us :-) Remembering the first PBF meeting I would be surprised if they forgot us :-)) But you have to check the invoice. They charged me the full normal business rate. I found that out 2 months later - I didn't check the invoice since I was in a hurry and the invoice got directly into accounting. Andrew From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 3 14:37:35 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:37:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tracks issue (Todo 1) In-Reply-To: <000001c2dff4$9e657a20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: It's certainly time to get some progress made on conference planning. =20= I made a small change to the track information to add Heimo Laukkanen=20 to the Zope track. To resurrect some momentum, I'm going to pick a very short number of=20 very simple tasks, and then get them completed. I think we suffering=20 from the "so much to do, where do we start" problem. Thus, I'll send personal emails to track chairs. --Paul On Saturday, Mar 1, 2003, at 14:14 Europe/Paris, Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi, > > Mmm, looks very silent, I think we need to get some people start=20 > working > :-) and further it's good to put my mind to something else for the > moment. > > Okay, if we want people, we need to be able to show them what we can > offer to them, so I think we need start finding people who are willing > to give a talk. Before that, we need to find the people who want to be > Track Chairman. The sooner we can do this, the better. > > Todo list concerning Talks: > --------------------------- > 1) Finding Chairman > 2) Devide tracks per day and room (chairman can start already with > finding people): Making Slots > 3) Fill up the track-slots with talks > > > > TODO 1: Finding Chairman > ----------------------------- > > Let's figure this out first. Here are the tracks for EP2003 and the > people willing to be chairman. Tell me if this is correct or not > correct. PS: *No answer* is automatically removal and possibly also = the > removal of the track if we don't find a person willing to be chairman. > > Proposed Tracks: > ------------------ > Can also be seen at http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions > > Python Applications Track (?) > Python Frameworks Track (Martijn Faassen) > Python Language Track (Michael Hudson, Martijn Faassen) > Python in Business Track (Tim Couper, Marc-Andre Lemburg) > Python in Science & Industry Track (Nicolas Chauvat) > Python/Zope in Public Administrations (Nicolas Pettiaux) > Zope Track (Paul Everitt) > > What I ask from the members of this list: > > A) Look for your name, track and tell me if this is correct. > B) Who wants to be chairman of: Python Applications Track; BoF's; > Lightning Talks > > Thanks for your co=F6peration, > Regards, > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 3 14:38:46 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:38:46 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Try again for IRC meetings Message-ID: Howdy. I was out last week and thus didn't do a good job getting momentum on IRC meetings. Let's try again this week. I'll try to be in #eurozope on irc.freenode.net at 10h00 and 17h00 Paris time, each day this week. --Paul From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 3 14:39:58 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:39:58 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] PROPOSAL: Drop Applications track Message-ID: <01F3FF19-4D86-11D7-A2AF-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Howdy. It has been over two weeks since Martijn pointed out that the Python Applications track has no track chair. I propose a deadline: if nobody volunteers to run this track by the end of this week, I will remove it from the track database. --Paul From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 3 14:47:17 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:47:17 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] PROPOSAL: Drop Applications track In-Reply-To: <01F3FF19-4D86-11D7-A2AF-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <01F3FF19-4D86-11D7-A2AF-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <3E636AF5.2020908@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > Howdy. It has been over two weeks since Martijn pointed out that the > Python Applications track has no track chair. > > I propose a deadline: if nobody volunteers to run this track by the end > of this week, I will remove it from the track database. Fine with me. Please redirect any potential speakers to the other tracks. BTW, will there be a call for talks ? Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 03 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 29 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 113 days left From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 3 14:55:20 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:55:20 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Try again for IRC meetings In-Reply-To: <200303031446.h23EkgDb021636@lagos.strakt.com> Message-ID: <27B6A338-4D88-11D7-A2AF-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> The alternative has proven worse. It takes a meeting to find the intersection of possible meeting times. The last time we tried this (three weeks ago), we couldn't find a mutually-acceptible time. Instead, someone (me) needs to be the sucker^h^h^h^h^h^ncommon thread to try and bootstrap the process. We should, as you mention, get to a once-a-week appointment. But I'm open to other suggestions. When do you propose we meet? :^) --Paul On Monday, Mar 3, 2003, at 15:46 Europe/Paris, Laura Creighton wrote: > In a message of Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:38:46 +0100, Paul Everitt writes: >> >> Howdy. I was out last week and thus didn't do a good job getting >> momentum on IRC meetings. Let's try again this week. >> >> I'll try to be in #eurozope on irc.freenode.net at 10h00 and 17h00 >> Paris time, each day this week. >> >> --Paul > > I think that a meeting that happens every day is about as effective > as no meeting at all. I could stop by in one hour, but there are > other things happening here, and I think .... well maybe tomorrow. > Meetings have to be rare enough that people actually make the effort > to meet. Otherwise, it is just like any other channel -- people who > are used to living on irc lines will just be there as part of the > community, and people who aren't think, well, I will do it _some_ day. > > Laura > From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 3 14:57:03 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:57:03 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] PROPOSAL: Drop Applications track In-Reply-To: <3E636AF5.2020908@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <64DB83D4-4D88-11D7-A2AF-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Yes, but I have that on the list of things to pursue *after* stirring up some involvement from the track chairpeople. Right now there isn't enough participation amongst us organizers. --Paul On Monday, Mar 3, 2003, at 15:47 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: >> Howdy. It has been over two weeks since Martijn pointed out that the >> Python Applications track has no track chair. >> I propose a deadline: if nobody volunteers to run this track by the >> end of this week, I will remove it from the track database. > > Fine with me. Please redirect any potential speakers to the > other tracks. > > BTW, will there be a call for talks ? > > Thanks, > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 03 > 2003) > >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... > http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... > http://python.egenix.com/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Python UK 2003, Oxford: 29 days > left > EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 113 days > left > > From lac@strakt.com Mon Mar 3 14:46:41 2003 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:46:41 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Try again for IRC meetings In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Everitt of "Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:38:46 +0100." References: Message-ID: <200303031446.h23EkgDb021636@lagos.strakt.com> In a message of Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:38:46 +0100, Paul Everitt writes: > >Howdy. I was out last week and thus didn't do a good job getting >momentum on IRC meetings. Let's try again this week. > >I'll try to be in #eurozope on irc.freenode.net at 10h00 and 17h00 >Paris time, each day this week. > >--Paul I think that a meeting that happens every day is about as effective as no meeting at all. I could stop by in one hour, but there are other things happening here, and I think .... well maybe tomorrow. Meetings have to be rare enough that people actually make the effort to meet. Otherwise, it is just like any other channel -- people who are used to living on irc lines will just be there as part of the community, and people who aren't think, well, I will do it _some_ day. Laura From lac@strakt.com Mon Mar 3 15:05:03 2003 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:05:03 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Try again for IRC meetings In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Everitt of "Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:55:20 +0100." <27B6A338-4D88-11D7-A2AF-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <27B6A338-4D88-11D7-A2AF-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <200303031505.h23F53Db021820@lagos.strakt.com> On Thursday I get on a plane and I won't be back home for a month, until AFTER Python-UK. Scheduling around me would be an incredibly foolish idea. But I would like meetings at say -- wednesday 1700, with the log of the meeting posted on the web site later for those of you who missed it so you can see what got decided. Then I could attend the ones I am able to and read about the ones I missed. Please pick some time that suits SOMEBODY. That one was for ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES ONLY. It will not suit me, none will, and that is that ... Laura From mwh@python.net Wed Mar 5 16:32:57 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:32:57 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Roundup issue tracker up and running Message-ID: <2mptp522py.fsf@starship.python.net> I've thrown up a roundup instance at: http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/tracker/europython/ My idea is that we use this to keep track of which issues we have and haven't sorted out, such as timetabling, writing cfps and so on. I'd encourage everyone who is helping out in the organization of EuroPython -- and *certainly* all track champions -- to register ASAP. Roundup is documented at http://roundup.sourceforge.net but is pretty easy to use if you've used any other email/web based issue tracker (bugzilla, the sf trackers, etc). One thing that might be handy is that issues can function as mini, impromptu mailing lists -- create an issue, add a bunch of people to the nosy list and discuss away! Cheers, M. -- I've even been known to get Marmite *near* my mouth -- but never actually in it yet. Vegamite is right out. UnicodeError: ASCII unpalatable error: vegamite found, ham expected -- Tim Peters, comp.lang.python From lac@strakt.com Wed Mar 5 18:11:19 2003 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:11:19 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] call for papers Message-ID: <200303051811.h25IBJ03003307@lagos.strakt.com> Kevin Altis, who has just done this for OSCON, says that it looks as if Python in Education could have a separate track in the future there. Things looks pretty educational for PyCon as well. DO we have this covered? Laura From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <010b01c2e34d$83eb7b70$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Interesting idea, but then we need somebody who wants to volunteer for a track 'Python in Education' and we need her/him fast. Tom. Laura Creighton wrote: > Kevin Altis, who has just done this for OSCON, says that it looks as > if Python in Education could have a separate track in the future > there. Things looks pretty educational for PyCon as well. DO we have > this covered? > > Laura > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From rev_anna_r@yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 23:28:37 2003 From: rev_anna_r@yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:28:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: IRC Chat (was Re: [EuroPython] Roundup issue tracker up and running) In-Reply-To: <2mptp522py.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <20030305232837.86955.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Just a reminder to all participants - #europython IRC chat is at 1000 and 1500 every day. If you'd like to see the issues that were brought up and assigned, please check out the tracker that Michael put together. We especially need the Track Champions to check in with Paul regarding your track - if you have any changes to the Track description, now's the time to make it. Also, if you (or anyone you know) are interested in being Track Champion for the Applications Track, please let Paul know by Friday, 7 March - or that Track will be deprecated. The announcement of the Call for Talks is due to be sent Saturday, 8 March. There is an issue listed on the Tracker for this: "Publish Call for Talks". If you have any suggestions for where the Call should be published, please either email them to the list here, or *better yet* list them on the "notes" section of the issue. See you at the IRC chat at 1000. Cordially, Anna Ravenscroft --- Michael Hudson wrote: > I've thrown up a roundup instance at: > > http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/tracker/europython/ > > My idea is that we use this to keep track of which issues we have and > haven't sorted out, such as timetabling, writing cfps and so on. > > I'd encourage everyone who is helping out in the organization of > EuroPython -- and *certainly* all track champions -- to register > ASAP. > > Roundup is documented at > > http://roundup.sourceforge.net > > but is pretty easy to use if you've used any other email/web based > issue tracker (bugzilla, the sf trackers, etc). > > One thing that might be handy is that issues can function as mini, > impromptu mailing lists -- create an issue, add a bunch of people to > the nosy list and discuss away! > > Cheers, > M. > > -- > I've even been known to get Marmite *near* my mouth -- but never > actually in it yet. Vegamite is right out. > UnicodeError: ASCII unpalatable error: vegamite found, ham expected > -- Tim Peters, > comp.lang.python > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From paul@eurozope.org Thu Mar 6 09:05:11 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:05:11 +0100 Subject: IRC Chat (was Re: [EuroPython] Roundup issue tracker up and running) In-Reply-To: <20030305232837.86955.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 00:28 Europe/Paris, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > Just a reminder to all participants - #europython IRC chat is at 1000 > and 1500 every day. If you'd like to see the issues that were brought > up and assigned, please check out the tracker that Michael put > together. Actually we had proposed 1000 and 1700. However, for the second one, I wonder if it is too early? Perhaps some people can't chat during working hours. > We especially need the Track Champions to check in with Paul regarding > your track - if you have any changes to the Track description, now's Yes indeed. It's time to get this train started and moving, which means participation by us organizers. The track chairs need to be ready to handle the response from a call for papers. > the time to make it. Also, if you (or anyone you know) are interested > in being Track Champion for the Applications Track, please let Paul > know by Friday, 7 March - or that Track will be deprecated. > > The announcement of the Call for Talks is due to be sent Saturday, 8 > March. There is an issue listed on the Tracker for this: "Publish Call > for Talks". If you have any suggestions for where the Call should be > published, please either email them to the list here, or *better yet* > list them on the "notes" section of the issue. Good idea. I just put some suggestions on the note of the issue. --Paul From mal@lemburg.com Thu Mar 6 09:15:01 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:15:01 +0100 Subject: IRC Chat (was Re: [EuroPython] Roundup issue tracker up and running) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E671195.7050904@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > >> We especially need the Track Champions to check in with Paul regarding >> your track - if you have any changes to the Track description, now's > > Yes indeed. It's time to get this train started and moving, which means > participation by us organizers. The track chairs need to be ready to > handle the response from a call for papers. No problem from here... in fact, we are already waiting for the call for papers. If this doesn't get done this week, we'll send our own little invitation :-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 06 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 26 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 110 days left From paul@eurozope.org Thu Mar 6 13:26:38 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:26:38 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Chat recap re: the CFP Message-ID: <426F36BC-4FD7-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> We met on IRC this morning at 10h00 gmt+1 and discussed the call for papers. In attendence: Anna, Tom, Paul. Here are some of the conclusions we reached: o Two flavors of talks, 30 min and 45 min o Tutorial proposals are also accepted o Lightning talks (5 min) will be handled later I'll draft a Call For Papers, based on the Wiki notes from last year and Guido's PyCon page. We'll discuss this again at 17h00 today, hopefully I'll have a draft by then. --Paul Recap of IRC o Remember to use the europython roundup site o Perhaps we should move the afternoon IRC to evening o Last year's draft Call For Papers page is at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/RequestForPapers o What information do CFP submitters need before deciding to submit a proposal? o The PyCon CFP is at http://www.python.org/workshops/oscon2002/cfp.html o There are four choices for submission, *not including* the keynote(s) - Short talk (30 min) - Long talk (45 min) - Lightning talk (5 min) - Tutorial (2 h) o Leave some space in between sessions to encourage mingling o Adopting the new-style of conference: free space in schedule, rooms for mingling, BoFs and lightning talks as prime focus, sprints From paul@eurozope.org Thu Mar 6 14:10:29 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:10:29 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement Message-ID: <631BF713-4FDD-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> ...along with some open questions at the end. --Paul Call for Participation, EuroPython Conference 2003 The EuroPython Conference 2003 (EPC2003) returns to Belgium this June, and the conference organizers are opening registration for presentation and tutorial proposals. Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python event. Based on the rave reviews, we expect this year to be even more successful, and we're not just talking about the Chimay. We are looking for participation in the following conference tracks: Python Frameworks, Python Language, Python in Business, Python in Science and Industry, Python and Zope in Public Administrations, and Zope. Track descriptions are available at http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions. You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. Please remember that tutorials and presentations from marketing or sales staff will not be accepted. For more information about the conference, please visit the conference website at http://www.europython.org/. If you have any questions, please contact XXXX. Also, if you would like to help us make v2 of the EuroPython conference a great success, please volunteer! You can join us on the EuroPython mailing list at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython. About EuroPython Conference 2003 EuroPython Conference 2003 is the premiere venue for meeting Python and Zope developers from Europe and beyond. As the first community-organized Python and Zope conference, EPC 2003 delivers the atmosphere and information developers want. The conference will be held June 25-27, 2003 in Charleroi, Belgium. Information is available at the EuroPython website at http://www.europython.org/. Notes o The HTML version will have hyperlinks to track descriptions, what for the email version? Reference numbers, nothing? o Do we need to mention speaker benefits (which we haven't finalized) ? o Who can people contact for non-public questions (the XXXX) ? From mal@lemburg.com Thu Mar 6 16:16:58 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:16:58 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Chat recap re: the CFP In-Reply-To: <426F36BC-4FD7-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <426F36BC-4FD7-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <3E67747A.9090008@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > We met on IRC this morning at 10h00 gmt+1 and discussed the call for > papers. In attendence: Anna, Tom, Paul. > > Here are some of the conclusions we reached: > > o Two flavors of talks, 30 min and 45 min I'd suggest to only have one slot size: 45 min. Makes organization a lot easier (e.g. you can assign two slots to a talk if needed) and also is better for the attendees since the slots are welldefined across all tracks. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 06 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 26 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 110 days left From paul@zope-europe.org Thu Mar 6 17:00:21 2003 From: paul@zope-europe.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:00:21 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: This afternoon's IRC Message-ID: <1DB946C7-4FF5-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org> We met briefly. Tom, Michael, and Paul. Resolved: 1) Speakers (not lightning talkers) get free admission but still pay catering (for now). Thus, only promise in the CFP that speakers get "free conference admission". Don't promise free anything-else. 2) Direct "other questions" (private questions) to europython@p3b.org 3) We need to update the callFor page. 4) Don't mention lightning talks in this CFP. Use them as a reason to come back later and send more announcements/reminders. 5) Regarding short and long, versus just one duration of talks, Tom and I share the same opinion. We had two slot sizes last year for the Zope Track and found it worked well. Thus, perhaps track chairs should have the option to organize slots as they wish. --Paul From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu Mar 6 18:26:15 2003 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:26:15 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Chat recap re: the CFP In-Reply-To: <426F36BC-4FD7-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <426F36BC-4FD7-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <20030306182615.GP22269@logilab.fr> On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 02:26:38PM +0100, Paul Everitt wrote: > - Lightning talk (5 min) Couldn't it be 10 min ? 5 is *really* short. In 10 min, you can barely say "hi here is what I do". You can make people actually respect the timing and tell them that 10 min includes questions if you want to keep an average speed of 6 talks per hour. > o Adopting the new-style of conference: free space in schedule, > rooms for mingling, BoFs and lightning talks as prime focus, sprints sounds good! who is the sprint manager (some organisation needed I guess) ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais oł est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu Mar 6 18:30:50 2003 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:30:50 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <631BF713-4FDD-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <631BF713-4FDD-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <20030306183050.GQ22269@logilab.fr> On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 03:10:29PM +0100, Paul Everitt wrote: > About EuroPython Conference 2003 > > EuroPython Conference 2003 is the premiere venue for meeting Python > and Zope developers from Europe and beyond. As the first > community-organized Python and Zope conference, EPC 2003 delivers > the atmosphere and information developers want. The conference will > be held June 25-27, 2003 in Charleroi, Belgium. Information is > available at the EuroPython website at http://www.europython.org/. +1 > o The HTML version will have hyperlinks to track descriptions, what > for the email version? Reference numbers, nothing? numbers that reference items in the list of links at the bottom of the message. see the track[1] description page .... [1]: http://www.europyuthon.org/track_description_page > o Do we need to mention speaker benefits (which we haven't > finalized) ? no. put that info on the web site once it's decided. > o Who can people contact for non-public questions (the XXXX) ? I can be the french-speaking contact. Last year we had one contact person per organizing country. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais oł est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From paul@eurozope.org Thu Mar 6 19:37:42 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:37:42 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Chat recap re: the CFP In-Reply-To: <20030306182615.GP22269@logilab.fr> Message-ID: <1915F9D5-500B-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 19:26 Europe/Paris, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 02:26:38PM +0100, Paul Everitt wrote: >> - Lightning talk (5 min) > > Couldn't it be 10 min ? 5 is *really* short. In 10 min, you can barely > say "hi here is what I do". You can make people actually respect the > timing and tell them that 10 min includes questions if you want to > keep an average speed of 6 talks per hour. Sorry, I didn't do a good job of capturing the IRC discussion. We'll advertise it as 5 min, but expect each speaker to be spaced 10 min apart. I learned last year that it's hard to shuffle quickly, so we need speakers to *really* have the "lightning" part of lightning talk well understood. >> o Adopting the new-style of conference: free space in schedule, >> rooms for mingling, BoFs and lightning talks as prime focus, sprints > > sounds good! who is the sprint manager (some organisation needed I > guess) ? Sorry, this was just idle chit chat. I don't expect us to dramatically overhaul the conference and embrace these parts. Although, with Daniel Veillard coming, I suppose a Python XML sprint would be pretty cool. --Paul From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00b301c2e4f0$17901e00$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Hi all, Since we didn't received a lot of input (read almost none), Paul and I decided to postpone the call for Talks. We would really like that at least the chairmen of the tracks respond. So, please everybody read the mails Paul send and give your go on it. To the others, who are very eager to start, please, wait a few days with attracking talkers. It would be nice if we could all start at the same time. It will not take very long anymore, so thanks for your patient. Kind Regards, Tom Paul Everitt wrote: > ...along with some open questions at the end. > > --Paul > > > Call for Participation, EuroPython Conference 2003 > > The EuroPython Conference 2003 (EPC2003) returns to Belgium this June, > and the conference organizers are opening registration for > presentation and tutorial proposals. > > Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python > event. Based on the rave reviews, we expect this year to be even more > successful, and we're not just talking about the Chimay. > > We are looking for participation in the following conference tracks: > Python Frameworks, Python Language, Python in Business, Python in > Science and Industry, Python and Zope in Public Administrations, and > Zope. Track descriptions are available at > http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions. > > You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour > tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission > page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. > > Please remember that tutorials and presentations from marketing or > sales staff will not be accepted. > > For more information about the conference, please visit the conference > website at http://www.europython.org/. If you have any questions, > please contact XXXX. Also, if you would like to help us make v2 of > the EuroPython conference a great success, please volunteer! You can > join us on the EuroPython mailing list at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython. > > About EuroPython Conference 2003 > > EuroPython Conference 2003 is the premiere venue for meeting Python > and Zope developers from Europe and beyond. As the first > community-organized Python and Zope conference, EPC 2003 delivers > the atmosphere and information developers want. The conference > will be held June 25-27, 2003 in Charleroi, Belgium. Information > is available at the EuroPython website at > http://www.europython.org/. > > Notes > > o The HTML version will have hyperlinks to track descriptions, what > for the email version? Reference numbers, nothing? > > o Do we need to mention speaker benefits (which we haven't > finalized) ? > > o Who can people contact for non-public questions (the XXXX) ? > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Sat Mar 8 13:46:35 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 14:46:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <631BF713-4FDD-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <631BF713-4FDD-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <3E69F43B.6020504@lemburg.com> Some nits... Paul Everitt wrote: > > ...along with some open questions at the end. > > --Paul > > > Call for Participation, EuroPython Conference 2003 > > The EuroPython Conference 2003 (EPC2003) returns to Belgium this June, > and the conference organizers are opening registration for > presentation and tutorial proposals. > > Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python EPC2003 -> conference > event. Based on the rave reviews, we expect this year to be even more > successful, and we're not just talking about the Chimay. > > We are looking for participation in the following conference tracks: > Python Frameworks, Python Language, Python in Business, Python in > Science and Industry, Python and Zope in Public Administrations, and > Zope. Track descriptions are available at > http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions. > > You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour > tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission > page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. Again, I'd rather have just one type of slot: 45 minutes with an option to span two slots for longer talks. > Please remember that tutorials and presentations from marketing or > sales staff will not be accepted. I think that's for the track chairmen to decide, right ?! > For more information about the conference, please visit the conference > website at http://www.europython.org/. If you have any questions, > please contact XXXX. ...the track chairmen: http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions > Also, if you would like to help us make v2 of v2 -> EPC2003 > the EuroPython conference a great success, please volunteer! You can > join us on the EuroPython mailing list at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython. > > About EuroPython Conference 2003 > > EuroPython Conference 2003 is the premiere venue for meeting Python > and Zope developers from Europe and beyond. As the first > community-organized Python and Zope conference, EPC 2003 delivers EPC 2003 -> the EuroPython Conference (EPC2003 is the second such event) > the atmosphere and information developers want. The conference will > be held June 25-27, 2003 in Charleroi, Belgium. Information is > available at the EuroPython website at http://www.europython.org/. > > Notes > > o The HTML version will have hyperlinks to track descriptions, what > for the email version? Reference numbers, nothing? Inline the links as well as the email addresses. Most email readers know how to turn these into working links. > o Do we need to mention speaker benefits (which we haven't > finalized) ? AFAIR, speakers get free entry, but have to pay for catering. Travel and accomodation expenses are not refunded, not do they get any compensation. > o Who can people contact for non-public questions (the XXXX) ? The Executive Committee, just like last year, except that you don't seem to have finalized who that will be yet. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 08 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 24 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 108 days left From paul@eurozope.org Sat Mar 8 15:02:27 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:02:27 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <3E69F43B.6020504@lemburg.com> Message-ID: On samedi, mars 8, 2003, at 14:46 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Some nits... > > Paul Everitt wrote: >> ...along with some open questions at the end. >> --Paul >> Call for Participation, EuroPython Conference 2003 >> The EuroPython Conference 2003 (EPC2003) returns to Belgium this June, >> and the conference organizers are opening registration for >> presentation and tutorial proposals. >> Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python > > EPC2003 -> conference Yes, good catch, thanks. >> event. Based on the rave reviews, we expect this year to be even more >> successful, and we're not just talking about the Chimay. >> We are looking for participation in the following conference tracks: >> Python Frameworks, Python Language, Python in Business, Python in >> Science and Industry, Python and Zope in Public Administrations, and >> Zope. Track descriptions are available at >> http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions. >> You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour >> tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission >> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. > > Again, I'd rather have just one type of slot: 45 minutes with > an option to span two slots for longer talks. Right now the votes are running 4-1, where you're the "1". :^) We plan to let track chairs have the flexibility of deciding this. >> Please remember that tutorials and presentations from marketing or >> sales staff will not be accepted. > > I think that's for the track chairmen to decide, right ?! Good point. I copied this from Guido's previous CFP for OSCON. I'll remove it. >> For more information about the conference, please visit the conference >> website at http://www.europython.org/. If you have any questions, >> please contact XXXX. > > ...the track chairmen: > > http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions I also need, though, to provide a "I don't know who to direct my question to" address. >> Also, if you would like to help us make v2 of > > v2 -> EPC2003 Good point, thanks. >> the EuroPython conference a great success, please volunteer! You can >> join us on the EuroPython mailing list at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython. >> About EuroPython Conference 2003 >> EuroPython Conference 2003 is the premiere venue for meeting Python >> and Zope developers from Europe and beyond. As the first >> community-organized Python and Zope conference, EPC 2003 delivers > > EPC 2003 -> the EuroPython Conference > > (EPC2003 is the second such event) > >> the atmosphere and information developers want. The conference will >> be held June 25-27, 2003 in Charleroi, Belgium. Information is >> available at the EuroPython website at http://www.europython.org/. >> Notes >> o The HTML version will have hyperlinks to track descriptions, what >> for the email version? Reference numbers, nothing? > > Inline the links as well as the email addresses. Most > email readers know how to turn these into working links. Ok. >> o Do we need to mention speaker benefits (which we haven't >> finalized) ? > > AFAIR, speakers get free entry, but have to pay for catering. > Travel and accomodation expenses are not refunded, not do they > get any compensation. That's what we (on IRC) thought too. Ok, I declare that to be agreement and thus decided. >> o Who can people contact for non-public questions (the XXXX) ? > > The Executive Committee, just like last year, except that > you don't seem to have finalized who that will be yet. Who is the "you" in the "you don't"? --Paul From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat Mar 8 15:53:27 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:53:27 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Chat recap re: the CFP In-Reply-To: <426F36BC-4FD7-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <426F36BC-4FD7-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <20030308155326.GA8164@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > We met on IRC this morning at 10h00 gmt+1 and discussed the call for > papers. In attendence: Anna, Tom, Paul. > > Here are some of the conclusions we reached: > > o Two flavors of talks, 30 min and 45 min In 90 minute blocks, I hope. I found this worked well last year. > I'll draft a Call For Papers, based on the Wiki notes from last year > and Guido's PyCon page. Will these be papers or talks? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat Mar 8 15:54:36 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:54:36 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Chat recap re: the CFP In-Reply-To: <3E67747A.9090008@lemburg.com> References: <426F36BC-4FD7-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> <3E67747A.9090008@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20030308155436.GB8164@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: > > > >We met on IRC this morning at 10h00 gmt+1 and discussed the call for > >papers. In attendence: Anna, Tom, Paul. > > > >Here are some of the conclusions we reached: > > > > o Two flavors of talks, 30 min and 45 min > > I'd suggest to only have one slot size: 45 min. Makes organization > a lot easier (e.g. you can assign two slots to a talk if needed) > and also is better for the attendees since the slots are welldefined > across all tracks. While the latter point makes some sense, I really liked and needed the flexibility of 2 x 45 versus 3 x 30 last year.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat Mar 8 15:57:16 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:57:16 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Chat recap re: the CFP In-Reply-To: <1915F9D5-500B-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <20030306182615.GP22269@logilab.fr> <1915F9D5-500B-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <20030308155716.GC8164@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > Although, with Daniel Veillard coming, I suppose a Python XML sprint > would be pretty cool. Agreed, that would be good. Especially if Martin von Loewis is also coming again, and some of the Fourthought people, and Logilab etc. I'd certainly be interested in participating in that. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat Mar 8 16:03:17 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:03:17 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <631BF713-4FDD-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <631BF713-4FDD-11D7-9290-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <20030308160317.GD8164@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python > event. There were of course other Python events more locally organized that were community organized, so this may be overstating it. > You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour > tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission > page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. Isn't a two hour tutorial a bit long? I mean, I might fall asleep, but then I'm perhaps not the target audience. What I'd like is a bunch of 'lightning tutorials' where in 30 minutes or so the guy up front tries to impart some wisdom on the audience. Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Sat Mar 8 16:53:16 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 17:53:16 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6A1FFC.9040204@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: >> The Executive Committee, just like last year, except that >> you don't seem to have finalized who that will be yet. > > Who is the "you" in the "you don't"? you = the ones who are running this year's event. Of course, people for the EC will have to volunteer for this. So far, I have the impression that Tom and you, Paul, are running the event. That's perfect, I only think you should make this public in order to prevent the hassles we had gone through last year. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 08 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 24 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 108 days left From paul@eurozope.org Sun Mar 9 09:23:51 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:23:51 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <20030308160317.GD8164@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: On samedi, mars 8, 2003, at 17:03 Europe/Paris, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: >> Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python >> event. > > There were of course other Python events more locally organized that > were community organized, so this may be overstating it. Drop the line or water it down? >> You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour >> tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission >> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. > > Isn't a two hour tutorial a bit long? I mean, I might fall asleep, but > then > I'm perhaps not the target audience. What I'd like is a bunch of > 'lightning tutorials' where in 30 minutes or so the guy up front tries > to > impart some wisdom on the audience. Such a change is a significant departure from last year. While that isn't bad, it simply means we'll need to route it through the nebulous Consensus Process. --Paul From paul@eurozope.org Sun Mar 9 11:16:53 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:16:53 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Executive Committee? (Was Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement) In-Reply-To: <3E6A1FFC.9040204@lemburg.com> Message-ID: MAL brings up a point that should be addressed pronto. Do we want an Conference Executive Committee? If so, who is it and what is their responsibility? I'll give my response here: a. Yes. b. Dunno. c. One thing that *isn't* their responsibility: doing all the work. "The ones running the event" shouldn't be in the job description. If it is, then we're unlikely to get many volunteers. --Paul On samedi, mars 8, 2003, at 17:53 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: >>> The Executive Committee, just like last year, except that >>> you don't seem to have finalized who that will be yet. >> Who is the "you" in the "you don't"? > > you = the ones who are running this year's event. Of course, > people for the EC will have to volunteer for this. So far, > I have the impression that Tom and you, Paul, are running the > event. That's perfect, I only think you should make this public > in order to prevent the hassles we had gone through last year. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 08 > 2003) > >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... > http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... > http://python.egenix.com/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Python UK 2003, Oxford: 24 days > left > EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 108 days > left > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <006b01c2e642$f5be3ab0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Paul Everitt wrote: > MAL brings up a point that should be addressed pronto. Do we want an > Conference Executive Committee? If so, who is it and what is their > responsibility? > > I'll give my response here: > > a. Yes. Yes, for making decission if it stalls. > b. Dunno. I keep banging to the list when I think it should move forward. That's my nature. People may contact me and I always try to help them or give them a contact address where they might get more help from. Denis will be (must be) it as well and will have (unfortunately a task which can't be passed to none local people) to handle (or pass it to others) the local issues. > c. One thing that *isn't* their responsibility: doing all the work. > "The ones running the event" shouldn't be in the job description. If > it is, then we're unlikely to get many volunteers. aye. Tom. > --Paul > > On samedi, mars 8, 2003, at 17:53 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> Paul Everitt wrote: >>>> The Executive Committee, just like last year, except that >>>> you don't seem to have finalized who that will be yet. >>> Who is the "you" in the "you don't"? >> >> you = the ones who are running this year's event. Of course, >> people for the EC will have to volunteer for this. So far, >> I have the impression that Tom and you, Paul, are running the >> event. That's perfect, I only think you should make this public >> in order to prevent the hassles we had gone through last year. >> >> -- >> Marc-Andre Lemburg >> eGenix.com >> >> Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 08 >> 2003) >>>>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... >> http://www.egenix.com/ >>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... >> http://python.egenix.com/ >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> Python UK 2003, Oxford: 24 days >> left >> EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 108 days >> left >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >> > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <006c01c2e642$f92840b0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> >> Paul Everitt wrote: >>> Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python >>> event. >> >> There were of course other Python events more locally organized that >> were community organized, so this may be overstating it. > > Drop the line or water it down? Perhaps refrase it to something like the first community organised event which tried to organise a brother event like the Python conference in America. I might be wrong here. By all means ignore if so. Tom. From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 10 08:58:33 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:58:33 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Merging "public admin" track into business track Message-ID: <78C80CA7-52D6-11D7-90B7-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Howdy. I suggested in a private note to Nicolas Pettiaux that we would all be best served by merging the "Python/Zope in Public Administrations" track into the "Python in Business" track. Reasons: significant overlap in audience, probably not enough quality submissions for two separate tracks, and conservation of (track management) manpower. Any violent disagreements? More information at: http://www.europython.org/sessions/descriptions --Paul From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 10 09:00:13 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:00:13 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Removed the Python Applications track Message-ID: As discussed previously, the orphaned Python Applications track would be deleted from the track database if nobody volunteered to be track chair. The deadline is passed and the track is now removed. --Paul From paul@zope-europe.org Mon Mar 10 09:04:22 2003 From: paul@zope-europe.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:04:22 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Anybody have some time to do conference planning? Message-ID: <48F6F83A-52D7-11D7-90B7-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org> Don't forget that you can drop by #europython on irc.freenode.net each day at 10h00 and 17h00, gmt+1. Meaning, now. :^) --Paul From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 10 09:12:05 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:12:05 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <20030308160317.GD8164@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <5CE3A6CA-52D8-11D7-90B7-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> This brings up a semi-obvious point: we don't have a track manager for the tutorials. Who can run the tutorials? We need to set a deadline: if we don't have a track chair for this by a certain date, we drop tutorials. --Paul On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 17:03 Europe/Paris, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: >> Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python >> event. > > There were of course other Python events more locally organized that > were community organized, so this may be overstating it. > >> You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour >> tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission >> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. > > Isn't a two hour tutorial a bit long? I mean, I might fall asleep, but > then > I'm perhaps not the target audience. What I'd like is a bunch of > 'lightning tutorials' where in 30 minutes or so the guy up front tries > to > impart some wisdom on the audience. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Mon Mar 10 10:31:51 2003 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:31:51 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship Message-ID: Hi folks, since I'm not able to help out that much I'm going to spend some money. We can sort this "sponsorship"-thing out later, but I think its time to show support to the EPC 2003. So I'm going to send out money: €500 from my side for the EPC 2003. So the local people can start paying invoices etc. I couldn't find the bank account data on the site, so if someone please send me the data? Regards, Andrew From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 10 12:20:43 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:20:43 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6C831B.8030500@lemburg.com> Andrew Smart wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > since I'm not able to help out that much I'm going to spend some money.= We > can sort this "sponsorship"-thing out later, but I think its time to sh= ow > support to the EPC 2003. >=20 > So I'm going to send out money: =80500 from my side for the EPC 2003. S= o the > local people can start paying invoices etc. >=20 > I couldn't find the bank account data on the site, so if someone please= send > me the data? This page has the data we used last year. http://www.europython.org/2002/sponsoring Not sure whether the orga team will use the same account for this year, though. It would be worthwhile to setup a EuroGiro compatible account for the event, since this is not only cheap on the accounting side, but also provides access to the EuroGiro money transfer system which allows you to send money from another EuroGiro compatible account really cheap (and more reliable). http://www.eurogiro.com/ --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 10 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 22 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 106 days left From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon Mar 10 12:43:00 2003 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:43:00 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Executive Committee? (Was Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement) In-Reply-To: <006b01c2e642$f5be3ab0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> References: <006b01c2e642$f5be3ab0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20030310124300.GC9421@logilab.fr> On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 02:45:43PM +0100, Tom Deprez wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: > > MAL brings up a point that should be addressed pronto. Do we want an > > Conference Executive Committee? If so, who is it and what is their > > responsibility? > > > > I'll give my response here: > > > > a. Yes. > > Yes, for making decission if it stalls. To make decision if time is short you only need one person. The one that makes decision. In my opinion, there is a single person that's eligible, Denis Frere, who is taking all the risks with his association P3B and with local organisation. It sounds like he has a lot to do already and not much time to spend on the list, but he should be the "executive committee" himself. Others are nice guys that spend time helping and that will make the thing real. Denis/P3B is the one that paid last year to fill the small deficit, Denis/P3B will take risks with money this year again. Denis decides, others help. > > b. Dunno Denis' responsibility is to take decisions when needed. Others' responsibility is to make sure the whole thing happens and never rely on Denis to do all the work. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais oł est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" <006b01c2e642$f5be3ab0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <20030310124300.GC9421@logilab.fr> Message-ID: <007501c2e731$532e1d20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> In the future I even don't reply anymore to these kind of messages. Tom. >Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 02:45:43PM +0100, Tom Deprez wrote: >> Paul Everitt wrote: >>> MAL brings up a point that should be addressed pronto. Do we want >>> an >>> Conference Executive Committee? If so, who is it and what is their >>> responsibility? >>> >>> I'll give my response here: >>> >>> a. Yes. >> >> Yes, for making decission if it stalls. > > To make decision if time is short you only need one person. The one > that makes decision. In my opinion, there is a single person that's > eligible, Denis Frere, who is taking all the risks with his > association P3B and with local organisation. > > It sounds like he has a lot to do already and not much time to spend > on the list, but he should be the "executive committee" himself. > Others are nice guys that spend time helping and that will make the > thing real. > > Denis/P3B is the one that paid last year to fill the small deficit, > Denis/P3B will take risks with money this year again. Denis decides, > others help. > >>> b. Dunno > > Denis' responsibility is to take decisions when needed. > > Others' responsibility is to make sure the whole thing happens and > never rely on Denis to do all the work. From Tom Deprez" <006b01c2e642$f5be3ab0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <20030310124300.GC9421@logilab.fr> Message-ID: <00d601c2e737$c2d71bd0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Okay one more try. Honoustly, I think it would only be better if everybody who wants to help, now and then pops up at the IRC channel. Lot's of discussions start on the IRC and it would give the full background if you've been there. Most people need to work and can't be there... well guess what... we need to work too... I've no company, I've no benefits (earnings/contracts) from the last EPC. I'll probably have no benefits for this conference.... makes me think why I even try to help... >>> MAL brings up a point that should be addressed pronto. Do we want >>> an >>> Conference Executive Committee? If so, who is it and what is their >>> responsibility? > To make decision if time is short you only need one person. The one > that makes decision. In my opinion, there is a single person that's > eligible, Denis Frere, who is taking all the risks with his > association P3B and with local organisation. All correct. And this was also the idea... I think everybody agrees on this. We're talking about another committee. The people who make sure the things get done... > It sounds like he has a lot to do already and not much time to spend > on the list, but he should be the "executive committee" himself. Mostly I'm the go between with Denis and the list. ie I pass him the most important information. But.... lot's of things keep left behind and it are these things which need to be decided.... otherwise there is no need for the 'executive committee' in your sence of the word, since there won't be an EPC. How many people come to the IRC? How many people respond regulary to the mails? I can count them on 1 hand... > Others are nice guys that spend time helping and that will make the > thing real. > Denis/P3B is the one that paid last year to fill the small deficit, > Denis/P3B will take risks with money this year again. Denis decides, others help. I'm not going into discussions here. But, to be honoust, it would have helped if companies helped to pay the small deficit of last year. Are there companies today who wants to sponsor (except the last one of Andrew, to which we all should be gratefull)? >>> b. Dunno > > Denis' responsibility is to take decisions when needed. > > Others' responsibility is to make sure the whole thing happens and > never rely on Denis to do all the work. From Tom Deprez" <3E6C831B.8030500@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <001301c2e75e$a36ee0d0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Hi Andrew, > since I'm not able to help out that much I'm going to spend some money. We > can sort this "sponsorship"-thing out later, but I think its time to show > support to the EPC 2003. > So I'm going to send out money: €500 from my side for the EPC 2003. So the > local people can start paying invoices etc. Great initiative! Thanks a lot! > I couldn't find the bank account data on the site, so if someone please send > me the data? >This page has the data we used last year. >http://www.europython.org/2002/sponsoring >Not sure whether the orga team will use the same account >for this year, though. Confirmed by Denis, this account can still be used. >It would be worthwhile to setup a EuroGiro compatible account >for the event, since this is not only cheap on the accounting >side, but also provides access to the EuroGiro money transfer >system which allows you to send money from another EuroGiro >compatible account really cheap (and more reliable). >http://www.eurogiro.com/ The local organisation team will look into this within a few days. Regards, Tom. From denis@aragne.com Tue Mar 11 00:01:56 2003 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:01:56 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Executive Committee? (Was Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement) In-Reply-To: <007501c2e731$532e1d20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> References: <006b01c2e642$f5be3ab0$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> <20030310124300.GC9421@logilab.fr> <007501c2e731$532e1d20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20030311000156.GC18374@carolo.net> Le Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 07:17:26PM +0100, Tom Deprez pianota: > In the future I even don't reply anymore to these kind of messages. What's the big problem now ? I know I'm not very present on the list. I asked Tom to be my relay, as he tells in one of his last mails. Here, I don't feel any real urgence. The venue is booked, and I'm continuing to contact people to have some booths or sponsoring. Last week, for example, I phoned to ASDU (the bookseller) because they hadn't answered my mail. Ann Jossart who was responsible last year is pregnant and got some hollidays, so I had to explain the whole thing to her teammate. I also tried to reach the right person in a big Belgian financial institution where they are using Python. I got a name and a phone number, but I couldn't manage to reach that person up to now. I keep trying, but that guy seems to be often unavailable. I got some reply from our regional institutions, but that's bad news : they don't want to support a Python conference which they see as too specific. I have no concrete answer (written engagement) for rooms to hold sprints, but there is good will from the same school as last year (where we held the Zope sprint). Etc. For the program, I let the specialists decide, you're doing a great job. Unfortunately, nor Mitch Kapor nor Bruce Eckel can join as keynote speakers. I will follow the good ideas of Laura or try to have a brilliant inspiration. I can't join the chat this Tuesday (as I couldn't today), but if you need my recomfort, I will be there this Wednesday at 17:00 CET. :-) No stress. Everything's all right if we compare to last year. Back soon, Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Tue Mar 11 12:57:44 2003 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:57:44 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Site error : http://www.europython.org/2002/sponsoring Message-ID: Hi, I get a site error when I try to connect to this link. Any ideas? Andrew Smart From rev_anna_r@yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 17:40:17 2003 From: rev_anna_r@yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:40:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <5CE3A6CA-52D8-11D7-90B7-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <20030311174017.19857.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> I suggest that we have the tutorials be handled by the appropriate track manager. So, for example, a tutorial regarding specific features of the language would be handled by the track chair of the Python Language track. Seems to make most sense with the limited number of people working the conference. Anna --- Paul Everitt wrote: > > This brings up a semi-obvious point: we don't have a track manager > for > the tutorials. > > Who can run the tutorials? > > We need to set a deadline: if we don't have a track chair for this by > a > certain date, we drop tutorials. > > --Paul > > On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 17:03 Europe/Paris, Martijn Faassen > wrote: > > > Paul Everitt wrote: > >> Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python > >> event. > > > > There were of course other Python events more locally organized > that > > were community organized, so this may be overstating it. > > > >> You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour > >> tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission > >> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. > > > > Isn't a two hour tutorial a bit long? I mean, I might fall asleep, > but > > then > > I'm perhaps not the target audience. What I'd like is a bunch of > > 'lightning tutorials' where in 30 minutes or so the guy up front > tries > > to > > impart some wisdom on the audience. > > > > Regards, > > > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <000701c2e7ff$625bdf20$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> The site has been down for a while. It should work now. Regards, Tom Andrew Smart wrote: > Hi, > > I get a site error when I try to connect to this link. > > Any ideas? > > Andrew Smart > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <004301c2e7ff$e19e7450$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> I think you're right. I also think all track chairman can/would like to handle this. Anybody an objection to this? Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Ravenscroft" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement > I suggest that we have the tutorials be handled by the appropriate > track manager. So, for example, a tutorial regarding specific features > of the language would be handled by the track chair of the Python > Language track. > > Seems to make most sense with the limited number of people working the > conference. > > Anna > > > --- Paul Everitt wrote: > > > > This brings up a semi-obvious point: we don't have a track manager > > for > > the tutorials. > > > > Who can run the tutorials? > > > > We need to set a deadline: if we don't have a track chair for this by > > a > > certain date, we drop tutorials. > > > > --Paul > > > > On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 17:03 Europe/Paris, Martijn Faassen > > wrote: > > > > > Paul Everitt wrote: > > >> Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python > > >> event. > > > > > > There were of course other Python events more locally organized > > that > > > were community organized, so this may be overstating it. > > > > > >> You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour > > >> tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission > > >> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. > > > > > > Isn't a two hour tutorial a bit long? I mean, I might fall asleep, > > but > > > then > > > I'm perhaps not the target audience. What I'd like is a bunch of > > > 'lightning tutorials' where in 30 minutes or so the guy up front > > tries > > > to > > > impart some wisdom on the audience. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Martijn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > EuroPython mailing list > > > EuroPython@python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > From paul@eurozope.org Tue Mar 11 20:02:58 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:02:58 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <004301c2e7ff$e19e7450$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <74EEE496-53FC-11D7-BDDC-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> I too think this is a very good idea. The tutorial should be associated with tracks. --Paul On mardi, mars 11, 2003, at 19:53 Europe/Paris, Tom Deprez wrote: > I think you're right. > I also think all track chairman can/would like to handle this. Anybody > an objection to this? > > Regards, > Tom. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anna Ravenscroft" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:40 PM > Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement > > >> I suggest that we have the tutorials be handled by the appropriate >> track manager. So, for example, a tutorial regarding specific features >> of the language would be handled by the track chair of the Python >> Language track. >> >> Seems to make most sense with the limited number of people working the >> conference. >> >> Anna >> >> >> --- Paul Everitt wrote: >>> >>> This brings up a semi-obvious point: we don't have a track manager >>> for >>> the tutorials. >>> >>> Who can run the tutorials? >>> >>> We need to set a deadline: if we don't have a track chair for this > by >>> a >>> certain date, we drop tutorials. >>> >>> --Paul >>> >>> On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 17:03 Europe/Paris, Martijn Faassen >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Paul Everitt wrote: >>>>> Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python >>>>> event. >>>> >>>> There were of course other Python events more locally organized >>> that >>>> were community organized, so this may be overstating it. >>>> >>>>> You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour >>>>> tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk > Submission >>>>> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. >>>> >>>> Isn't a two hour tutorial a bit long? I mean, I might fall asleep, >>> but >>>> then >>>> I'm perhaps not the target audience. What I'd like is a bunch of >>>> 'lightning tutorials' where in 30 minutes or so the guy up front >>> tries >>>> to >>>> impart some wisdom on the audience. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Martijn >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> EuroPython mailing list >>>> EuroPython@python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> EuroPython mailing list >>> EuroPython@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online >> http://webhosting.yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Wed Mar 12 09:14:13 2003 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:14:13 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Money flows Message-ID: Hi, I just used SWIFT... Hopefully the money comes throu. On the web site there is no name for "reciever". I used "P3B A.B.S.L." as reciever, since the EPC is no organisation for its own. We should add a reciever and a SWIFT country code (102) to the site. Regards, Andrew From paul@eurozope.org Wed Mar 12 09:19:55 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:19:55 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <74EEE496-53FC-11D7-BDDC-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> Message-ID: Under the "silence is consent" model, we'll give a deadline of end-of-this-week on this proposal, at which point it becomes a decision. --Paul On mardi, mars 11, 2003, at 21:02 Europe/Paris, Paul Everitt wrote: > > I too think this is a very good idea. The tutorial should be > associated with tracks. > > --Paul > > On mardi, mars 11, 2003, at 19:53 Europe/Paris, Tom Deprez wrote: > >> I think you're right. >> I also think all track chairman can/would like to handle this. Anybody >> an objection to this? >> >> Regards, >> Tom. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anna Ravenscroft" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:40 PM >> Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement >> >> >>> I suggest that we have the tutorials be handled by the appropriate >>> track manager. So, for example, a tutorial regarding specific >>> features >>> of the language would be handled by the track chair of the Python >>> Language track. >>> >>> Seems to make most sense with the limited number of people working >>> the >>> conference. >>> >>> Anna >>> >>> >>> --- Paul Everitt wrote: >>>> >>>> This brings up a semi-obvious point: we don't have a track manager >>>> for >>>> the tutorials. >>>> >>>> Who can run the tutorials? >>>> >>>> We need to set a deadline: if we don't have a track chair for this >> by >>>> a >>>> certain date, we drop tutorials. >>>> >>>> --Paul >>>> >>>> On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 17:03 Europe/Paris, Martijn Faassen >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Paul Everitt wrote: >>>>>> Last year's EPC2003 was the first-ever community-organized Python >>>>>> event. >>>>> >>>>> There were of course other Python events more locally organized >>>> that >>>>> were community organized, so this may be overstating it. >>>>> >>>>>> You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour >>>>>> tutorial. To propose a tutorial, please visit the Talk >> Submission >>>>>> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. >>>>> >>>>> Isn't a two hour tutorial a bit long? I mean, I might fall asleep, >>>> but >>>>> then >>>>> I'm perhaps not the target audience. What I'd like is a bunch of >>>>> 'lightning tutorials' where in 30 minutes or so the guy up front >>>> tries >>>>> to >>>>> impart some wisdom on the audience. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Martijn >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> EuroPython mailing list >>>>> EuroPython@python.org >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> EuroPython mailing list >>>> EuroPython@python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online >>> http://webhosting.yahoo.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> EuroPython mailing list >>> EuroPython@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >> > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From mal@lemburg.com Wed Mar 12 09:21:57 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:21:57 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6EFC35.1020406@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > Under the "silence is consent" model, we'll give a deadline of > end-of-this-week on this proposal, at which point it becomes a decision. Under the same model, could you give a time frame for the release of the CFP ? Without speakers there won't be any tracks ;-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 12 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 20 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 104 days left From paul@eurozope.org Wed Mar 12 09:27:20 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:27:20 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <3E6EFC35.1020406@lemburg.com> Message-ID: I think the CFP is ready to go out. The only suggested change on the last draft was to remove the reference to the now-merged public admin track. So sure, go ahead and launch the CFP. --Paul On mercredi, mars 12, 2003, at 10:21 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: >> Under the "silence is consent" model, we'll give a deadline of >> end-of-this-week on this proposal, at which point it becomes a >> decision. > > Under the same model, could you give a time frame for > the release of the CFP ? > > Without speakers there won't be any tracks ;-) > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 12 > 2003) > >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... > http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... > http://python.egenix.com/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Python UK 2003, Oxford: 20 days > left > EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 104 days > left > > From paul@eurozope.org Wed Mar 12 11:01:44 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:01:44 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <033F00BC-547A-11D7-BC2C-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> Unless there are any objections in the next hour, I'll send it to python@python and the EuroZope list before I head to Zurich. If others could then get the announcement filtered out to other locations (python.org, zope.org, zope-announce, etc.) --Paul On mercredi, mars 12, 2003, at 10:27 Europe/Paris, Paul Everitt wrote: > > I think the CFP is ready to go out. The only suggested change on the > last draft was to remove the reference to the now-merged public admin > track. > > So sure, go ahead and launch the CFP. > > --Paul > > On mercredi, mars 12, 2003, at 10:21 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> Paul Everitt wrote: >>> Under the "silence is consent" model, we'll give a deadline of >>> end-of-this-week on this proposal, at which point it becomes a >>> decision. >> >> Under the same model, could you give a time frame for >> the release of the CFP ? >> >> Without speakers there won't be any tracks ;-) >> >> -- Marc-Andre Lemburg >> eGenix.com >> >> Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 12 >> 2003) >> >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... >> http://www.egenix.com/ >> >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... >> http://python.egenix.com/ >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> __ >> Python UK 2003, Oxford: 20 days >> left >> EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 104 days >> left >> >> > From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed Mar 12 11:32:57 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:32:57 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: References: <74EEE496-53FC-11D7-BDDC-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <20030312113257.GA25838@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > > Under the "silence is consent" model, we'll give a deadline of > end-of-this-week on this proposal, at which point it becomes a decision. [tutorials being associated by tracks and organized by track chairs] This sounds like a good idea to me. Tutorials should still be in a different slot timewise from the tracks themselves. Regards, Martijn From mwh@python.net Wed Mar 12 12:24:58 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:24:58 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement In-Reply-To: <004301c2e7ff$e19e7450$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> ("Tom Deprez"'s message of "Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:53:21 +0100") References: <20030311174017.19857.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> <004301c2e7ff$e19e7450$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <2m3clsg4bp.fsf@starship.python.net> "Tom Deprez" writes: > I think you're right. > I also think all track chairman can/would like to handle this. Anybody > an objection to this? I can handle it, I guess. Cheers, M. -- In case you're not a computer person, I should probably point out that "Real Soon Now" is a technical term meaning "sometime before the heat-death of the universe, maybe". -- Scott Fahlman From huima@iki.fi Wed Mar 12 22:59:27 2003 From: huima@iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:59:27 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] A bunch of questions Message-ID: <3E6FBBCF.1010302@iki.fi> > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:32:57 +0100 > To: Paul Everitt > Cc: europython@python.org > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement > From: Martijn Faassen > > [tutorials being associated by tracks and organized by track chairs] > > This sounds like a good idea to me. Tutorials should still be in a different > slot timewise from the tracks themselves. # Been a week sick, so catching up on emails, discussions and all the work. Going to ask some stupid questions too. # Is there a full day track reserved for tutorials from the timetable at the moment on some day - and was there allready an agreement of the format of tutorials ( 30 minute, 2 hour? ,-)? If all the tutorials share the same one track - how will it be shared between different categories. Any thoughts on that yet? I'm asking because from my Zopish and Plonish point of view there might be interest to have quick tips and tricks sessions about CMF, Plone, Silva etc., in the same way as lightning talks - except that the presentations really only take that 10 - 15 minutes. Ofcourse some subjects do require a longer time for tutorial, but then again there are a lot of things that could be explained in short periods of time. These tips&tricks sessions could make an impact even for quite newbie users in Zope world - and that sense this could be also a marketing benefit for the EuroPython. People who are starting to use Zope / Plone at their organisations could get funding to come and get even more info that they wanted. That is what happened to me, when I came to Europython 2002. Before Europython I thought Python as a necessary evil for Zope - and then I started to care more also for Python itself. BTW. There are no benefits in conference fee for people who do lightning talks? -huima From mwh@python.net Thu Mar 13 17:05:04 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:05:04 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] A bunch of questions In-Reply-To: <3E6FBBCF.1010302@iki.fi> (Heimo Laukkanen's message of "Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:59:27 +0000") References: <3E6FBBCF.1010302@iki.fi> Message-ID: <2mvfynxkn3.fsf@starship.python.net> Heimo Laukkanen writes: >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:32:57 +0100 >> To: Paul Everitt >> Cc: europython@python.org >> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement >> From: Martijn Faassen >> >> [tutorials being associated by tracks and organized by track chairs] >> This sounds like a good idea to me. Tutorials should still be in a >> different >> slot timewise from the tracks themselves. > > # Been a week sick, so catching up on emails, discussions and all the > work. Going to ask some stupid questions too. # Any noise is reassuring... Can we persuade you to register on the roundup tracker I put up: http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/tracker/europython/ > Is there a full day track reserved for tutorials from the timetable at > the moment on some day - and was there allready an agreement of the > format of tutorials ( 30 minute, 2 hour? ,-)? Nothing like this is fixed yet. Last year we had a morning of tutorials: http://www.europython.org/2002/sessions/timeschedule > If all the tutorials share the same one track - how will it be shared > between different categories. Any thoughts on that yet? I think the idea is that each track can devote a bit of it's time to tutorials if it so wants. But I'm not too sure. I'd like there to be some for Python Language. I'm currently planning to send a mail/pr around along the lines of "tell us what tutorials you'd like to see". Should we make this a whole conference effort or should I just do it for my track? I guess Python Language, Python Frameworks and Zope are the most tutorialable tracks. (Draft attached to: http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/tracker/europython/issue19 for the curious. I need to put some more general info about EP, I think). > I'm asking because from my Zopish and Plonish point of view there > might be interest to have quick tips and tricks sessions about CMF, > Plone, Silva etc., in the same way as lightning talks - except that > the presentations really only take that 10 - 15 minutes. That would be cool, if different from last year. I think the spirit is: you're track chairman, do what you like. > Ofcourse some subjects do require a longer time for tutorial, but > then again there are a lot of things that could be explained in > short periods of time. Well, do both then! > These tips&tricks sessions could make an impact even for quite > newbie users in Zope world - and that sense this could be also a > marketing benefit for the EuroPython. People who are starting to use > Zope / Plone at their organisations could get funding to come and > get even more info that they wanted. That is what happened to me, > when I came to Europython 2002. Before Europython I thought Python > as a necessary evil for Zope - and then I started to care more also > for Python itself. Cool! > BTW. There are no benefits in conference fee for people who do > lightning talks? I don't think so. Cheers, M. -- Clue: You've got the appropriate amount of hostility for the Monastery, however you are metaphorically getting out of the safari jeep and kicking the lions. -- coonec -- http://home.xnet.com/~raven/Sysadmin/ASR.Quotes.html From Tom Deprez" <2mvfynxkn3.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <000901c2e996$99db2f80$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> >> # Been a week sick, so catching up on emails, discussions and all the >> work. Going to ask some stupid questions too. # > > Any noise is reassuring... indeed > Can we persuade you to register on the roundup tracker I put up: > > http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/tracker/europython/ > >> Is there a full day track reserved for tutorials from the timetable >> at the moment on some day - and was there allready an agreement of >> the format of tutorials ( 30 minute, 2 hour? ,-)? > > Nothing like this is fixed yet. Last year we had a morning of > tutorials: > > http://www.europython.org/2002/sessions/timeschedule Correct. We wait for this until we know how many tutorials we have and which ones. But you can think that we at least leave as much time as last year (which was 2 tracks for a half day). It can become more of course if needed. We can also decide for a one day full track of tutorials, etc. >> If all the tutorials share the same one track - how will it be shared >> between different categories. Any thoughts on that yet? > > I think the idea is that each track can devote a bit of it's time to > tutorials if it so wants. But I'm not too sure. I'd like there to be > some for Python Language. > > I'm currently planning to send a mail/pr around along the lines of > "tell us what tutorials you'd like to see". Should we make this a > whole conference effort or should I just do it for my track? I guess > Python Language, Python Frameworks and Zope are the most tutorialable > tracks. > > (Draft attached to: > http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/tracker/europython/issue19 > for the curious. I need to put some more general info about EP, I > think). mwh, could you put this in an issue at the tracker? It would be good to make a whole conference effort >> I'm asking because from my Zopish and Plonish point of view there >> might be interest to have quick tips and tricks sessions about CMF, >> Plone, Silva etc., in the same way as lightning talks - except that >> the presentations really only take that 10 - 15 minutes. > > That would be cool, if different from last year. I think the spirit > is: you're track chairman, do what you like. Right, that's the correct spirit. We've given the possible time slots and they will be spaced as blocks of 90 minuites. That went good last year, so we'll keep it. It's up to the track chairman to fill it... with 30 or 45 min talks. Tutorials can of course take longer times. >> BTW. There are no benefits in conference fee for people who do >> lightning talks? > > I don't think so. Nope, none at all. This is the same as last year. For less then 30min we can't give any benefits. Regards, Tom. From mwh@python.net Fri Mar 14 10:24:01 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:24:01 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] A bunch of questions In-Reply-To: <000901c2e996$99db2f80$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> ("Tom Deprez"'s message of "Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:27:29 +0100") References: <3E6FBBCF.1010302@iki.fi> <2mvfynxkn3.fsf@starship.python.net> <000901c2e996$99db2f80$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <2mwuj29rge.fsf@starship.python.net> "Tom Deprez" writes: >> I'm currently planning to send a mail/pr around along the lines of >> "tell us what tutorials you'd like to see". Should we make this a >> whole conference effort or should I just do it for my track? I guess >> Python Language, Python Frameworks and Zope are the most tutorialable >> tracks. >> >> (Draft attached to: >> http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/tracker/europython/issue19 >> for the curious. I need to put some more general info about EP, I >> think). > > mwh, could you put this in an issue at the tracker? It would be good to > make a whole conference effort Um, that link *was* to an issue on the tracker. I've put you on the nosy list now... Cheers, M. -- 34. The string is a stark data structure and everywhere it is passed there is much duplication of process. It is a perfect vehicle for hiding information. -- Alan Perlis, http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html From magnus@thinkware.se Sat Mar 15 00:33:14 2003 From: magnus@thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:33:14 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Some things I'd like to see at EuroPython... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314112449.03628008@www.thinkware.se> I was thinking about things I'd be interested in taking part of at EuroPython 2003, and here are some things I came up with, besides actually meeting other pythonistas in real life and mingling with mega-stars like Guido and others! ;) * A Twisted tutorial or workshop. * A ReportLab tutorial. * Perhaps a PLONE tutorial? * A presentation of PBF and PiT: Objectives and status etc. * Presentations of other business related Python software, like workflow systems, document management etc. * A presentation of the Chandler project. Mitch Kapor would be nice of course, but Robin Dunn of wxPython fame is as far as I understand currently contracted by OSAF to work with wxPython for Chandler. Andy Hertzfeld might do too I guess... If I had been newer to python, I also think I would have liked: * A Python tutorial, maybe by some book author who gets a chance to push for his product? (Alex? Magnus (not me, the Norwegian)? Wesley? David? Mark?) * A wxPython tutorial? * A DB-API tutorial? -- Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65 http://www.thinkware.se/ mailto:magnus@thinkware.se From sf@nuxeo.com Sat Mar 15 09:20:28 2003 From: sf@nuxeo.com (Fermigier Stefane) Date: 15 Mar 2003 10:20:28 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Some things I'd like to see at EuroPython... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314112449.03628008@www.thinkware.se> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314112449.03628008@www.thinkware.se> Message-ID: <1047720028.22054.19.camel@fermigier.yi.org> Le sam 15/03/2003 =E0 01:33, Magnus Lycka a =E9crit : > If I had been newer to python, I also think I would have liked: >=20 > * A Python tutorial, maybe by some book author who gets a chance > to push for his product? (Alex? Magnus (not me, the Norwegian)? > Wesley? David? Mark?) >=20 > * A wxPython tutorial? >=20 > * A DB-API tutorial? A PyQt / PyKDE tutorial ? A PyXML tutorial ? S. --=20 St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open source ! From paul@eurozope.org Sun Mar 16 07:58:02 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:58:02 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Deadline for submissions? Message-ID: <02DB8EFE-5785-11D7-A981-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> Stefane pointed out that the announcement didn't mention a deadline for submissions. Ouch, we indeed forgot this! I propose: o Submission deadline the third week of April o All tracks finish selections two weeks later This gives: o Around 6 weeks from the announcement to the submission deadline o Around 6 weeks between "you've been accepted" and the conference, to let people make travel decisions --Paul From andy@reportlab.com Sun Mar 16 09:31:47 2003 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:31:47 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] RE: [Pbf] Some things I'd like to see at EuroPython... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314112449.03628008@www.thinkware.se> Message-ID: > > * A ReportLab tutorial. With pleasure. I've had one accepted for OSCON and would like to do the same here: start from the beginning, with a focus on letting people add PDF output to their own application. I can easily do 3 hours and think it probably needs this to teach it well; although we could break it down into PDF (maybe 70%) and graphics (maybe 30%). > * A Twisted tutorial or workshop. Yes please! (actually, for a really fun idea, I'd like to hook up our code to Twisted to make a chart server and/or a PDF server. Itamar reckons it might be just a handful of lines of code, it would be a good teaching example for Twisted, and letting everyone make data-aware bitmap charts on the web would be really cool. Maybe a sprint the day before, then work it into the tutorials ?) - Andy From andy@reportlab.com Sun Mar 16 09:36:30 2003 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:36:30 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Some things I'd like to see at EuroPython... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314112449.03628008@www.thinkware.se> Message-ID: May I also suggest 3 topics, for purely selfish reasons i.e. I'd love someone to teach me about them: * a Mac Python overview talk? Having just needed to get to grips with MacPython and as an old NextStep hacker, I am very excited by this platform. MacPython will by then (2.3) be the standard Unix python 'plus extras'. And the bindings to Objective-C were a thing of beauty back in 1994. I think lots of people would (Dinu? Jack Jansen?) * fonts and typography in Python Just van Rossum has been doing really cool stuff in this field. We're hoping even more will have been done. Lots of apps need to know about fonts in a cross platform way... * choices for mixing Python, C and C++ Some kind of knowledgeable overview of the many different tools available and which are good for what e.g. SWIG, Pyrex, Boost and others, to guide anyone who needs to regularly integrate software this way. Once upon a time it was ust SWIG, now there are half a dozen. Best Regards, Andy Robinson From mal@lemburg.com Sun Mar 16 13:17:32 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:17:32 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Deadline for submissions? In-Reply-To: <02DB8EFE-5785-11D7-A981-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> References: <02DB8EFE-5785-11D7-A981-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <3E74796C.6060006@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > Stefane pointed out that the announcement didn't mention a deadline for > submissions. Ouch, we indeed forgot this! > > I propose: > > o Submission deadline the third week of April > > o All tracks finish selections two weeks later > > This gives: > > o Around 6 weeks from the announcement to the submission deadline > > o Around 6 weeks between "you've been accepted" and the conference, > to let people make travel decisions +1 BTW, did you already send out the announcement ? I haven't seen it on c.l.p.a... the press release also needs to get pushed out the door, otherwise we won't reach the printed press in time for the event. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 16 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 16 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 100 days left From mal@lemburg.com Sun Mar 16 13:18:29 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:18:29 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [Pbf] Some things I'd like to see at EuroPython... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E7479A5.6010307@lemburg.com> Andy Robinson wrote: >>* A ReportLab tutorial. > > With pleasure. I've had one accepted for OSCON > and would like to do the same here: start from the > beginning, with a focus on letting people add PDF > output to their own application. I can easily > do 3 hours and think it probably needs this to > teach it well; although we could break it down > into PDF (maybe 70%) and graphics (maybe 30%). > >>* A Twisted tutorial or workshop. > > Yes please! > > (actually, for a really fun idea, I'd like to > hook up our code to Twisted to make a chart server > and/or a PDF server. Itamar reckons it might > be just a handful of lines of code, it would be > a good teaching example for Twisted, and letting > everyone make data-aware bitmap charts on the > web would be really cool. Maybe a sprint the > day before, then work it into the tutorials ?) Personally, I'd love to attend those two as well. I hope the schedule makes this possible. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 16 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 16 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 100 days left From paul@eurozope.org Sun Mar 16 13:29:49 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:29:49 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Deadline for submissions? In-Reply-To: <3E74796C.6060006@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <5CBD0910-57B3-11D7-BF49-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> I sent it to c.l.py but not .announce. I'll send it to c.l.py.a as well. --Paul On Sunday, Mar 16, 2003, at 14:17 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: >> Stefane pointed out that the announcement didn't mention a deadline >> for submissions. Ouch, we indeed forgot this! >> I propose: >> o Submission deadline the third week of April >> o All tracks finish selections two weeks later >> This gives: >> o Around 6 weeks from the announcement to the submission deadline >> o Around 6 weeks between "you've been accepted" and the conference, >> to let people make travel decisions > > +1 > > BTW, did you already send out the announcement ? I haven't seen it > on c.l.p.a... the press release also needs to get pushed out the > door, otherwise we won't reach the printed press in time for the > event. > > Thanks, > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 16 > 2003) > >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... > http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... > http://python.egenix.com/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Python UK 2003, Oxford: 16 days > left > EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 100 days > left > > From mal@lemburg.com Sun Mar 16 16:01:17 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:01:17 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Deadline for submissions? In-Reply-To: <5CBD0910-57B3-11D7-BF49-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <5CBD0910-57B3-11D7-BF49-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <3E749FCD.8010001@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > I sent it to c.l.py but not .announce. I'll send it to c.l.py.a as well. Could you also add a prominent note to the europython.org and python.org frontpages ?! So far we haven't received any talk proposals via the web-interface which makes it look as if nobody has realized the fact that we are looking for talks just yet :-) Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 16 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 16 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 100 days left From paul@eurozope.org Mon Mar 17 09:23:59 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:23:59 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Deadline for submissions? In-Reply-To: <3E749FCD.8010001@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <2F0871A9-585A-11D7-A963-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> I'll add it on europython.org but I don't have access to python.org. --Paul On Sunday, Mar 16, 2003, at 17:01 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: >> I sent it to c.l.py but not .announce. I'll send it to c.l.py.a as >> well. > > Could you also add a prominent note to the europython.org > and python.org frontpages ?! > > So far we haven't received any talk proposals via the web-interface > which makes it look as if nobody has realized the fact that we are > looking for talks just yet :-) > > Thanks, > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 16 > 2003) > >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... > http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... > http://python.egenix.com/ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Python UK 2003, Oxford: 16 days > left > EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 100 days > left > > From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 17 09:35:11 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:35:11 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Deadline for submissions? In-Reply-To: <2F0871A9-585A-11D7-A963-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> References: <2F0871A9-585A-11D7-A963-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <3E7596CF.1080301@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > I'll add it on europython.org but I don't have access to python.org. A note to the python.org webmasters should do. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 17 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 15 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 99 days left From mwh@python.net Mon Mar 17 11:14:07 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:14:07 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Deadline for submissions? In-Reply-To: <2F0871A9-585A-11D7-A963-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> (Paul Everitt's message of "Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:23:59 +0100") References: <2F0871A9-585A-11D7-A963-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <2mk7ey9reo.fsf@starship.python.net> Paul Everitt writes: > I'll add it on europython.org but I don't have access to python.org. I do. It would probably be best to link from the front page of www.python.org to the copy of the call for talks on europython.org, so when you've done your bit, I'll do mine. Cheers, M. -- MARVIN: Oh dear, I think you'll find reality's on the blink again. -- The Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, Episode 12 From johnp@reportlab.com Tue Mar 18 12:55:55 2003 From: johnp@reportlab.com (John Precedo) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:55:55 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Python UK conference Wikki up Message-ID: A basic Wikki Wikki is up for the UK Python Conference at http://server.reportlab.com/accu-2003/moin.cgi/FrontPage. Could anyone who will be attending the conference please add their name to the Attendees page? This will be the place to discuss travel arrangements, sort out lifts and ride shares etc. We also plan to have organisation of the various short talks here. And of course since it is a Wikki, if you think of something else that should be included you can add it yourself. -- John Precedo (johnp@reportlab.com) Developer Reportlab Europe Ltd (http://www.reportlab.com) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 18 17:21:41 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:21:41 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Deadline for submissions? In-Reply-To: <02DB8EFE-5785-11D7-A981-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> References: <02DB8EFE-5785-11D7-A981-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> Message-ID: <20030318172141.GA18384@vet.uu.nl> [deadlines] Sounds fine with me. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 18 17:30:45 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:30:45 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] RE: [Pbf] Some things I'd like to see at EuroPython... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314112449.03628008@www.thinkware.se> Message-ID: <20030318173045.GB18384@vet.uu.nl> Andy Robinson wrote: > > * A ReportLab tutorial. > > * A Twisted tutorial or workshop. Both of these tutorials (and others mentioned) belong in the 'Python Frameworks' track so please make an entry there. :) Ugh oh, I figure Python Frameworks may become a central nexus of all tutorials except the Zope ones.. I won't be able to run that by myself, so for the tutorials I'd love to have someone help me so I am not stuck running an entire day or more running the track + tutorials. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 18 17:32:19 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:32:19 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Some things I'd like to see at EuroPython... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314112449.03628008@www.thinkware.se> Message-ID: <20030318173219.GC18384@vet.uu.nl> Andy Robinson wrote: > May I also suggest 3 topics, for purely selfish > reasons i.e. I'd love someone to teach me about > them: > > * a Mac Python overview talk? Could be Python language track or Python framework track. Could be a talk or a tutorial. > * fonts and typography in Python Don't know which track this would go into.. > * choices for mixing Python, C and C++ Python language track tutorial. Phew, it's not all Python Framework.. Regards, Martijn From mwh@python.net Tue Mar 18 17:34:41 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:34:41 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] RE: [Pbf] Some things I'd like to see at EuroPython... In-Reply-To: <20030318173045.GB18384@vet.uu.nl> (Martijn Faassen's message of "Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:30:45 +0100") References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030314112449.03628008@www.thinkware.se> <20030318173045.GB18384@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <2mbs08inny.fsf@starship.python.net> Martijn Faassen writes: > Andy Robinson wrote: >> > * A ReportLab tutorial. >> > * A Twisted tutorial or workshop. > > Both of these tutorials (and others mentioned) belong in the 'Python > Frameworks' track so please make an entry there. :) > > Ugh oh, I figure Python Frameworks may become a central nexus of all > tutorials except the Zope ones.. I won't be able to run that by myself, > so for the tutorials I'd love to have someone help me so I am not stuck > running an entire day or more running the track + tutorials. I imagine we can cooperate. We need to find people to give all these tutorials, though. Cheers, M. -- The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5 From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 18 17:44:01 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:44:01 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] talks page at website really confusing Message-ID: <20030318174401.GA18484@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Until I modified the text slightly, it looks like we had all talks already prepared and done for EuroPython 2003; last years talks are still visible. I adjusted the text slightly above it all but I don't dare touching the talk system, so it could still be confusing.. I thought we'd removed old year's stuff but apparently it's still there. So: * how do we remove old year's stuff to a safe location? * How does the new system work concerning talk submissions? * What do track managers have to do to handle this system? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 18 17:52:56 2003 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:52:56 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] status of wiki Message-ID: <20030318175256.GB18469@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I think the wiki currently contains both old and new information. For instance, who is attending probably contains information from last year and this year. Could we get a moinmoin running asap for the public wiki? I don't think we have to care too much about the current contents. I guess I should be adding stuff to our issue tracker. Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Tue Mar 18 18:04:04 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:04:04 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] talks page at website really confusing In-Reply-To: <20030318174401.GA18484@vet.uu.nl> References: <20030318174401.GA18484@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3E775F94.60903@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > Until I modified the text slightly, it looks like we had all talks > already prepared and done for EuroPython 2003; last years talks are still > visible. I adjusted the text slightly above it all but I don't dare > touching the talk system, so it could still be confusing.. > > I thought we'd removed old year's stuff but apparently it's still there. > > So: > > * how do we remove old year's stuff to a safe location? You don't :-) I would suggest, though, that the page only displays 2003 talks per default and leaves searching 2002 as an option. > * How does the new system work concerning talk submissions? > > * What do track managers have to do to handle this system? It's all here: http://www.europython.org/Admin (still no new talks... :-() Talk registration is done here: http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 18 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 14 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 98 days left From mal@lemburg.com Tue Mar 18 18:05:17 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:05:17 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] status of wiki In-Reply-To: <20030318175256.GB18469@vet.uu.nl> References: <20030318175256.GB18469@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3E775FDD.1020403@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > I think the wiki currently contains both old and new information. > For instance, who is attending probably contains information from last > year and this year. > > Could we get a moinmoin running asap for the public wiki? I don't think > we have to care too much about the current contents. There's still some valuable information in there, e.g. for the press release people. > I guess I should be adding stuff to our issue tracker. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 18 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 14 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 98 days left From Tom Deprez" <3E749FCD.8010001@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00e901c2ed88$6bfe5380$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> Done. + added newsitem M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: >> >> I sent it to c.l.py but not .announce. I'll send it to c.l.py.a as >> well. > > Could you also add a prominent note to the europython.org > and python.org frontpages ?! > > So far we haven't received any talk proposals via the web-interface > which makes it look as if nobody has realized the fact that we are > looking for talks just yet :-) > > Thanks, From Tom" Message-ID: <00f301c2ed88$b74e1c80$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> fixed, done > * how do we remove old year's stuff to a safe location? done > * How does the new system work concerning talk submissions? same as last year. > * What do track managers have to do to handle this system? like told on a previous mail on this list : http://www.europython.org/Admin Regards, Tom. From europython@python.org Wed Mar 19 12:52:02 2003 From: europython@python.org (europython@python.org) Date: 19 Mar 2003 12:52:02 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Call for Participation: EuroPython 2003 Message-ID: The EuroPython Conference 2003 (EPC2003) returns to Belgium this June, and the conference organizers are now accepting proposals for presentations and tutorials. We expect this year to be even more successful, and we're not just talking about the Chimay. We are looking for participation in the following conference tracks: Python Frameworks, Python Language, Python in Business, Python in Science and Industry, and Zope. Track descriptions are available at . The deadline for submissions is Monday, April 21. You can propose a 30 minute talk, a 45 minute talk, or a 2 hour tutorial. To propose a talk or tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission page at . For more information about the conference tracks, please contact the track chairpersons listed at . For general questions about the conference, please visit the conference website at . Also, if you would like to help us make this year's EuroPython conference another success, please volunteer! You can join us on the EuroPython mailing list at . About EuroPython Conference 2003: EuroPython Conference 2003 is the premiere venue for meeting Python and Zope developers from Europe and beyond. As one of the first community-organized Python and Zope conferences, the EuroPython Conference delivers the atmosphere and information developers want. The conference will be held June 25-27, 2003 in Charleroi, Belgium. Information is available at the EuroPython website at . For more information, contact . From zope-announce-admin@zope.org Wed Mar 19 12:53:04 2003 From: zope-announce-admin@zope.org (zope-announce-admin@zope.org) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:53:04 -0500 Subject: [EuroPython] Your message to Zope-Announce awaits moderator approval Message-ID: <20030319125304.4882.32503.Mailman@mail.python.org> Your mail to 'Zope-Announce' with the subject Call for Participation: EuroPython 2003 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post to moderated list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. From eurozope-admin@comlounge.net Wed Mar 19 12:53:00 2003 From: eurozope-admin@comlounge.net (eurozope-admin@comlounge.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:53:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [EuroPython] Your message to EuroZope awaits moderator approval Message-ID: <20030319125300.C06181A1AC@mail.comlounge.net> Your mail to 'EuroZope' with the subject Call for Participation: EuroPython 2003 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. From paul@eurozope.org Thu Mar 20 08:42:08 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:42:08 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] A bunch of questions In-Reply-To: <3E6FBBCF.1010302@iki.fi> Message-ID: Others have responded, I'll add some points as well. On mercredi, mars 12, 2003, at 23:59 Europe/Paris, Heimo Laukkanen wrote: >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:32:57 +0100 >> To: Paul Everitt >> Cc: europython@python.org >> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Version 0.0.1 of CFP announcement >> From: Martijn Faassen >> >> [tutorials being associated by tracks and organized by track chairs] >> This sounds like a good idea to me. Tutorials should still be in a >> different >> slot timewise from the tracks themselves. > > # Been a week sick, so catching up on emails, discussions and all the > work. Going to ask some stupid questions too. # > > Is there a full day track reserved for tutorials from the timetable at > the moment on some day - and was there allready an agreement of the > format of tutorials ( 30 minute, 2 hour? ,-)? Yes there will be tutorials, and the proposed format is 2 hours. Tutorials will be managed by the track managers. > If all the tutorials share the same one track - how will it be shared > between different categories. Any thoughts on that yet? There are a certain number of rooms available and thus a certain number of slots. It is up to the to track managers to negotiate on how many slots each track gets. Otherwise, someone needs to step forward and be the track manager for tutorials. > I'm asking because from my Zopish and Plonish point of view there > might be interest to have quick tips and tricks sessions about CMF, > Plone, Silva etc., in the same way as lightning talks - except that > the presentations really only take that 10 - 15 minutes. Ofcourse some > subjects do require a longer time for tutorial, but then again there > are a lot of things that could be explained in short periods of time. You could treat this as one of your tutorial slots, where the topic was "Practicial Zope". > These tips&tricks sessions could make an impact even for quite newbie > users in Zope world - and that sense this could be also a marketing > benefit for the EuroPython. People who are starting to use Zope / > Plone at their organisations could get funding to come and get even > more info that they wanted. That is what happened to me, when I came > to Europython 2002. Before Europython I thought Python as a necessary > evil for Zope - and then I started to care more also for Python > itself. Understand, though, that this increases expectations from that group. If the only reason they are paying for travel, time away from work, and registration is to increase their proficiency, then the tutorials had better be pretty good. This will require more time investment by the presenters and also by the track chairs (as oversight). > BTW. There are no benefits in conference fee for people who do > lightning talks? Correct. --Paul From mal@lemburg.com Thu Mar 20 20:09:30 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:09:30 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks Message-ID: <3E7A1FFA.1030905@lemburg.com> Is this just my impression or is there really so little interest in giving talks at EPC 2003 ? FWIW, I've added an entry to the database at http://www.europython.org/Talks/listForm?year=2003 to test the interface. I found that the "new" button on that interface page doesn't work. The CallFor interface does work, though. BTW, has anything been decided on the schedule yet ? The form also mentions a day 0 which doesn't seem to fit the time frame of three days mentioned on the frontpage. Nitpicking as always ;-), -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 20 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 12 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 96 days left From mwh@python.net Fri Mar 21 10:25:08 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:25:08 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <3E7A1FFA.1030905@lemburg.com> ("M.-A. Lemburg"'s message of "Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:09:30 +0100") References: <3E7A1FFA.1030905@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <2mn0jpm2yj.fsf@starship.python.net> "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > Is this just my impression or is there really so little interest > in giving talks at EPC 2003 ? I've heard very little. I don't know about others. > FWIW, I've added an entry to the database at > > http://www.europython.org/Talks/listForm?year=2003 > > to test the interface. I found that the "new" button on that > interface page doesn't work. The CallFor interface does work, > though. I'm trying to avoid getting sucked into running the website too... you could add an entry to the tracker about this. > BTW, has anything been decided on the schedule yet ? No. Why would you think it has? Cheers, M. -- Any form of evilness that can be detected without *too* much effort is worth it... I have no idea what kind of evil we're looking for here or how to detect is, so I can't answer yes or no. -- Guido Van Rossum, python-dev From mal@lemburg.com Fri Mar 21 11:13:03 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:13:03 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <2mn0jpm2yj.fsf@starship.python.net> References: <3E7A1FFA.1030905@lemburg.com> <2mn0jpm2yj.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <3E7AF3BF.3000407@lemburg.com> Michael Hudson wrote: > "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > > >>Is this just my impression or is there really so little interest >>in giving talks at EPC 2003 ? > > I've heard very little. I don't know about others. Hmm, I wonder why... Tim and I have only had a single request for the Business Track so far. That's the reason I was pushing the announcement of the CFP the past few weeks. >>FWIW, I've added an entry to the database at >> >> http://www.europython.org/Talks/listForm?year=2003 >> >>to test the interface. I found that the "new" button on that >>interface page doesn't work. The CallFor interface does work, >>though. > > I'm trying to avoid getting sucked into running the website too... you > could add an entry to the tracker about this. It's not that urgent; just thought I'd mention it. >>BTW, has anything been decided on the schedule yet ? > > No. Why would you think it has? The silence on the mailing list and occasional mentions of IRC chats made me wonder whether there's a whole lot going on behind the scenes... Anyway, the track chairmen will have to tell speakers how to plan for their talks, so perhaps we should kick off a discussion on this topic ?! If Wednesday becomes mostly a tutorial day, then I'd suggest to have the business track on Thursday with as many slots as needed (depends on how many speakers we can find). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 21 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 11 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 95 days left From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Fri Mar 21 12:23:09 2003 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:23:09 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <3E7A1FFA.1030905@lemburg.com> Message-ID: M.-A. Lemburg: > Is this just my impression or is there really so little interest > in giving talks at EPC 2003 ? I can't speak for others, but to me it looks like it wasn't clear where to announce the fact of being interested to give a talk? I don't want to follow each message on this list or take part in plenty of IRC chats to find out. What I'd finally like to see is a CFP that says where to send a talk description. > FWIW, I've added an entry to the database at > > http://www.europython.org/Talks/listForm?year=2003 This is password protected... > Nitpicking as always ;-), Me too... Wasn't there a Wiki last year reflecting the current status quo of the planning behind the scenes? Europython.org is still showing too much content of 2002 to be confused with this year's event... Dinu -- Dinu C. Gherman ...................................................................... "I don't know whether I'm going to win or not. I think I am. I do know I'm ready for the job. And if not, that's just the way it goes." (George W. Bush, 21 Aug. 2000) From mwh@python.net Fri Mar 21 12:29:54 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:29:54 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <3E7AF3BF.3000407@lemburg.com> ("M.-A. Lemburg"'s message of "Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:13:03 +0100") References: <3E7A1FFA.1030905@lemburg.com> <2mn0jpm2yj.fsf@starship.python.net> <3E7AF3BF.3000407@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <2madfonbr1.fsf@starship.python.net> "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > Michael Hudson wrote: >> "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: >> >>>Is this just my impression or is there really so little interest >>>in giving talks at EPC 2003 ? >> I've heard very little. I don't know about others. > > Hmm, I wonder why... There are a lot of conferences "competing" for papers this year. PyCon, python-uk, OSCON, EuroPython are all happening in fairly rapid succession. > Tim and I have only had a single request for the Business Track so > far. That's the reason I was pushing the announcement of the CFP the > past few weeks. Also, the CFP only got properly spammed around a couple of days ago. >>>BTW, has anything been decided on the schedule yet ? >> No. Why would you think it has? > > The silence on the mailing list and occasional mentions > of IRC chats made me wonder whether there's a whole lot > going on behind the scenes... That'd be nice, but I don't think it's happening. > Anyway, the track chairmen will have to tell speakers how > to plan for their talks, so perhaps we should kick off > a discussion on this topic ?! I'm not sure there's a lot we can decide until we have some talks to play with. > If Wednesday becomes mostly a tutorial day, then I'd > suggest to have the business track on Thursday with as > many slots as needed (depends on how many speakers we > can find). Sounds reasonable. Cheers, M. -- ARTHUR: Yes. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". -- The Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, Episode 1 From mwh@python.net Fri Mar 21 12:35:08 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:35:08 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: (Dinu Gherman's message of "Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:23:09 +0100") References: Message-ID: <2m7kasnbib.fsf@starship.python.net> Dinu Gherman writes: > M.-A. Lemburg: > >> Is this just my impression or is there really so little interest >> in giving talks at EPC 2003 ? > > I can't speak for others, but to me it looks like it wasn't clear > where to announce the fact of being interested to give a talk? > I don't want to follow each message on this list or take part in > plenty of IRC chats to find out. What I'd finally like to see is > a CFP that says where to send a talk description. >From http://www.europython.org/sessions/cft: To propose a talk or tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor. Can you suggest better phrasing? Would you rather have an email address? Cheers, M. -- This is an off-the-top-of-the-head-and-not-quite-sober suggestion, so is probably technically laughable. I'll see how embarassed I feel tomorrow morning. -- Patrick Gosling, ucam.comp.misc From paul@eurozope.org Fri Mar 21 12:56:12 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:56:12 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <3E7A1FFA.1030905@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <7E76E147-5B9C-11D7-8119-000393C2939A@eurozope.org> On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 21:09 Europe/Paris, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Is this just my impression or is there really so little interest > in giving talks at EPC 2003 ? We need more people working to spread the word. I think Michael has done most of the work on this, probably 5x more than all the rest of us put together. > FWIW, I've added an entry to the database at > > http://www.europython.org/Talks/listForm?year=2003 > > to test the interface. I found that the "new" button on that > interface page doesn't work. The CallFor interface does work, > though. > > BTW, has anything been decided on the schedule yet ? The form > also mentions a day 0 which doesn't seem to fit the time > frame of three days mentioned on the frontpage. When I sent an email to the track chairs about this topic, the response was, "Don't talk about it until after the CFP goes out." The CFP is now out, so now is a good time to talk about it. --Paul From tom@aragne.com Fri Mar 21 15:15:46 2003 From: tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:15:46 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Away for several days Message-ID: <033201c2efbc$bfd20f20$b36da8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be> Hi, Just to inform some of you that I'm away for the next comming 11 days. So I won't be able to respond, sorry. Best Regards, tom. From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Fri Mar 21 15:23:36 2003 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:23:36 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <2m7kasnbib.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <15BF2A90-5BB1-11D7-9634-00039345C610@darwin.in-berlin.de> Michael Hudson: > From http://www.europython.org/sessions/cft > > To propose a talk or tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission > page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor > > Can you suggest better phrasing? Would you rather have an email > address? Ok, there's more than I was aware of... maybe I was just irritated by the fact that some 2002 content keeps lurking around on the 2003 pages without much of a remark explaining why, like here: http://www.europython.org/other/interviews http://www.europython.org/sessions/presentations And, apparently, there is no overview of proposed talks, at least not from the talks page: http://www.europython.org/sessions/talks That would perhaps be nice, so people wouldn't propose very simi- lar topics more than once... don't know... Regards, Dinu -- Dinu C. Gherman ...................................................................... "It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas." (George W. Bush, 25 Sep. 2000) From mwh@python.net Fri Mar 21 15:32:52 2003 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:32:52 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <15BF2A90-5BB1-11D7-9634-00039345C610@darwin.in-berlin.de> (Dinu Gherman's message of "Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:23:36 +0100") References: <15BF2A90-5BB1-11D7-9634-00039345C610@darwin.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <2m1y10n3a3.fsf@starship.python.net> Dinu Gherman writes: > Michael Hudson: > >> From http://www.europython.org/sessions/cft >> >> To propose a talk or tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission >> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor >> >> Can you suggest better phrasing? Would you rather have an email >> address? > > Ok, there's more than I was aware of... maybe I was just irritated > by the fact that some 2002 content keeps lurking around on the > 2003 pages without much of a remark explaining why, like here: > > http://www.europython.org/other/interviews > http://www.europython.org/sessions/presentations Like I said, I'm trying not to get sucked into running the website... > And, apparently, there is no overview of proposed talks, at least > not from the talks page: > > http://www.europython.org/sessions/talks Well, ... that's because ... noone's proposed any talks! > That would perhaps be nice, so people wouldn't propose very simi- > lar topics more than once... don't know... That is not the biggest of our problems. Cheers, M. -- Java sucks. [...] Java on TV set top boxes will suck so hard it might well inhale people from off their sofa until their heads get wedged in the card slots. --- Jon Rabone, ucam.chat From mal@lemburg.com Fri Mar 21 18:17:16 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:17:16 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <2m1y10n3a3.fsf@starship.python.net> References: <15BF2A90-5BB1-11D7-9634-00039345C610@darwin.in-berlin.de> <2m1y10n3a3.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <3E7B572C.2090701@lemburg.com> Michael Hudson wrote: > ... > Like I said, I'm trying not to get sucked into running the website... We'll get you there ;-) >>And, apparently, there is no overview of proposed talks, at least >>not from the talks page: >> >> http://www.europython.org/sessions/talks > > Well, ... that's because ... noone's proposed any talks! Actually, my test entry should appear there. Once you've logged in you can see it here: http://www.europython.org/Talks/editForm/03078220407 If I change the state to "accepted", the Talks page gives an error: """ Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: KeyError Error Value: PBusiness """ -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 21 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 11 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 95 days left From paul@eurozope.org Sat Mar 22 08:01:47 2003 From: paul@eurozope.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:01:47 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks In-Reply-To: <2m1y10n3a3.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <87D997C4-5C3C-11D7-86A3-003065C7DEAE@eurozope.org> On vendredi, mars 21, 2003, at 16:32 Europe/Paris, Michael Hudson wrote: > Dinu Gherman writes: > >> Michael Hudson: >> >>> From http://www.europython.org/sessions/cft >>> >>> To propose a talk or tutorial, please visit the Talk Submission >>> page at http://www.europython.org/Talks/callFor >>> >>> Can you suggest better phrasing? Would you rather have an email >>> address? >> >> Ok, there's more than I was aware of... maybe I was just irritated >> by the fact that some 2002 content keeps lurking around on the >> 2003 pages without much of a remark explaining why, like here: >> >> http://www.europython.org/other/interviews >> http://www.europython.org/sessions/presentations > > Like I said, I'm trying not to get sucked into running the website... I don't mind doing a bunch of website work. I'm eager to see others pitch in and help Tom, Michael, and me get this conference moving. >> And, apparently, there is no overview of proposed talks, at least >> not from the talks page: >> >> http://www.europython.org/sessions/talks > > Well, ... that's because ... noone's proposed any talks! Indeed! I'm struggling to find the original complaint. >> That would perhaps be nice, so people wouldn't propose very simi- >> lar topics more than once... don't know... > > That is not the biggest of our problems. Indeed. There aren't yet enough people willing to help make this conference a bigger success. The list of things that *might* be done is much longer than the list of people eager to contribute. In other words, we need less volunteering of ideas and suggestions, and more volunteering. --Paul From lac@ratthing-b246.strakt.com Tue Mar 25 18:39:46 2003 From: lac@ratthing-b246.strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:39:46 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] talks at EuroPython Message-ID: <200303251839.h2PIdknr029820@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I keep finding people who would like to give talks about game development and python in education. Some of these are the same people -- they teach school children to program by programming games in python. Maybe we need a new track. I can help chair it, but can not do the whole job on my own... Laura From mal@lemburg.com Tue Mar 25 21:06:04 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:06:04 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] talks at EuroPython In-Reply-To: <200303251839.h2PIdknr029820@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <200303251839.h2PIdknr029820@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <3E80C4BC.7010406@lemburg.com> Laura Creighton wrote: > I keep finding people who would like to give talks about game development > and python in education. Some of these are the same people -- they > teach school children to program by programming games in python. > Maybe we need a new track. I can help chair it, but can not do the > whole job on my own... Wouldn't it be better to fit them in with one of the existing tracks ? There doesn't seem to be too much interest in giving talks this year (probably because PyCon, Python UK and OSCON are so close to the event), so this would be a good thing :-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 25 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 7 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 91 days left From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue Mar 25 22:16:52 2003 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:16:52 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] talks at EuroPython In-Reply-To: <200303251839.h2PIdknr029820@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <200303251839.h2PIdknr029820@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20030325221651.GC10642@logilab.fr> On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 07:39:46PM +0100, Laura Creighton wrote: > I keep finding people who would like to give talks about game development > and python in education. Some of these are the same people -- they > teach school children to program by programming games in python. > Maybe we need a new track. I can help chair it, but can not do the > whole job on my own... Count me in to help chair Python in Education. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais oł est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From jh@web.de Wed Mar 26 20:49:41 2003 From: jh@web.de (Juergen Hermann) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:49:41 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Wikis Message-ID: Hi! Any=20news=20on=20the=20wikis?=20I=20added=20a=20msg=20to=20the=20roundup=20= issue=20and=20there=20was=20 no=20followup=20yet. Ciao,=20J=FCrgen From lac@ratthing-b246.strakt.com Sun Mar 30 12:02:53 2003 From: lac@ratthing-b246.strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:02:53 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] I just got back from PyCon Message-ID: <200303301202.h2UC2rYJ016123@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> It was great. Lot sof intereesteing people. But one thing we discovered was that lots of free time was important for people to get togetgher and give impromptude talks about what they were doing in-progress. Since it looks like we will have a lot of free space, we swhouldn't worry that this will make an unsuccessful conference. Of course, I also solicited more papers at PyCon, so we may get some m ore talks showing up about now anyway. Laura From lac@ratthing-b246.strakt.com Sun Mar 30 12:18:58 2003 From: lac@ratthing-b246.strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:18:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] back from pycon, part 2 Message-ID: <200303301218.h2UCIwSw016239@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> There were many musicians there. I think I room to play music in, evenings, would be popular. Laura From mal@lemburg.com Sun Mar 30 12:52:31 2003 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:52:31 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Broken info@europython.org Message-ID: <3E86E88F.3090606@lemburg.com> The info address is broken and what's worse: that address is mentioned on the call for talks submit page to write to in case of problems, which have been reported with the form (one submitter mentioned that for some reason the description field is cleared after pressing the submit button and that the form then complains about the field being empty). """ The original message was received at Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:48:06 +0200 from www.egenix.com [217.115.138.139] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: system config error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 5.3.5 mail.europython.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) 554 5.3.5 ... Local configuration error """ So far, only Moshe submitted a few talks :-( -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Software directly from the Source (#1, Mar 30 2003) >>> Python/Zope Products & Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Python UK 2003, Oxford: 2 days left EuroPython 2003, Charleroi, Belgium: 86 days left From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <014701c2f75e$e31f9700$8901a8c0@skullsplitter> > > Ok, there's more than I was aware of... maybe I was just irritated > by the fact that some 2002 content keeps lurking around on the > 2003 pages without much of a remark explaining why, like here: > > http://www.europython.org/other/interviews > http://www.europython.org/sessions/presentations Oh, I thought people wanted to have these pages still there to see things of last year... some people asked for this. If there are more people who don't want these pages, we can easely remove them... Tom From rev_anna_r@yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 08:34:15 2003 From: rev_anna_r@yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:34:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [EuroPython] Fwd: IRC Log bot Message-ID: <20030331083415.26364.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Moshe Zadka wrote: > Date: 31 Mar 2003 08:32:32 -0000 > From: Moshe Zadka > Subject: IRC Log bot > To: rev_anna_r@yahoo.com > > I've set a logging bot on the #pycon IRC channel, and it was a great > success. > For an example of the results see > http://twistedmatrix.com/users/moshez/pycon.log.txt > I can set one up on #europython, if people think it's a good idea. > > -- > Moshe Zadka -- http://moshez.org/ > Buffy: I don't like you hanging out with someone that... short. > Riley: Yeah, a lot of young people nowadays are experimenting with shortness. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From m@moshez.org Mon Mar 31 08:48:12 2003 From: m@moshez.org (Moshe Zadka) Date: 31 Mar 2003 08:48:12 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Acceptance Deadline Message-ID: <20030331084812.12823.qmail@green.zadka.com> It's kind of annoying that while there's a clear deadline on proposal submission, there is no date by which one can expect to hear an answer back. I would be happy to know when I can expect answers. Thanks, Moshe -- Moshe Zadka -- http://moshez.org/ Buffy: I don't like you hanging out with someone that... short. Riley: Yeah, a lot of young people nowadays are experimenting with shortness. From Tom Deprez" Hi Joachim, There are some issues concerning the talk database pages, can you have a look on them? Thanks. Changing to 'Accepted' : ---- Actually, my test entry should appear there. Once you've logged in you can see it here: http://www.europython.org/Talks/editForm/03078220407 If I change the state to "accepted", the Talks page gives an error: """ Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: KeyError Error Value: PBusiness """ --- New button: --- FWIW, I've added an entry to the database at http://www.europython.org/Talks/listForm?year=2003 to test the interface. I found that the "new" button on that interface page doesn't work. The CallFor interface does work, though. --- Thanks, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi Joachim, I forgot to mention an error: > """ > Hello, > I'm trying to submit a talk, but when I try to submit the > Description field is cleared and I am informed that valid > input is required! > BTW my e-mails to info@europython.org keep bouncing. > > Duncan Smith > """ Thanks in advance! Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi, I don't know how this one slipped in, ie info@europython.org. But I suggest to change that one to europython@python.org I've changed this already on http://www.europython.org/sessions/cft Regards, Tom. From lac@strakt.com Mon Mar 31 12:42:14 2003 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:42:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Open Space Message-ID: <200303311242.h2VCgEWk022838@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Open Space was a big success at PyCon. I think having some will be a good idea. The OpenSpace manifesto lives here:' http://www.openspaceworld.org/english/index.html Laura From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Well, today their was a lot of interest at the IRC Europython. More than before. Thanks for all who joined. During the chat, we noticed that most people won't be able to make it to the morning chat. >From earlier discussions we also noticed that 17:00h is perhaps too early and propose to make it 18:00. So, the following has been dicided by the people at the IRC EuroPython chat of today that: * The morning chats are cancelled. * The evening chats are moved to 18:00h European time. If people have real objections to this change, please, reply to this mail. Until so far the above decisions are active, meaning: no morning chats; evening chats at 18:00h. To be sure: the next meeting is 1/04/2003 at 18:00h European time. Regards, Tom.