[EuroPython] EP 2004 decision rather quickly?

[Magnus Lyckå]

At 14:17 2003-07-04 +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>I don't read his suggestion that way. What Marc-Andre meant was that the
>organizers *deserve* to budget their time as it is as you describe
>a lot of work. This can be discussed, but of course if this is decided
>on the transparency of the decision making process becomes even more
>important. This was the intent of Magnus' message.

Martijn is channeling me correctly.

>I'm not suggesting a poll as such. I'm suggesting we withdraw the current
>decision and have some proper discussion about it first. We need to
>dispassionately review the alternatives. We need to strive for
>actual consensus. We need to make sure that the people who *should*
>know about this (i.e the people active in organizing the conferences
>previously, and the people who are proposing to be active
>for 2004 as well).

Agreed. For me, there are a lot of practical things to consider.
Am I the only one who feels that it was more difficult to listen
to talks in "Salle Polyvalente B" than in the "Auditorium"? Such
practical matters such as acustics and ventilation are important
to me. It's nice to go to Belgium, meet nice people (even if I
might get inte flamewars with them on he mailing lists ;) and
drink Chimay. Still, if I feel that it's difficult to hear what
people are saying, and if I'm bothered about bad air in the
end of the sessions, this is a significant drawback for me.

By the way, a severe disadvantage with Göteborg is that the local
brewer (Pripps) produces beer that is closer to cats piss than
to the wonderful belgian Trappist Beer. (Can you please bring a
truck load of Chimay to Göteborg? :)

>If we reach a consensus on the location, then so much for the better.
>If not we will have to come up with a better way to make a decision,
>but whatever the outcome at least people will feel they have been heard.

Agreed. And I think we can reach a consensus if we just let it take
some time and all try to do our best to find constructive solutions.

I've made some concrete suggestions about what I felt could be
improved in Charleroi. If these things can be solved I'll be happy
to sample the Trappist offerings next year too, and hope that we'll
do Göteborg in 2005. I do think it would be nice if my old hometown
would host Europython, but 2005 might be even better. By then I might
have moved back there from the horrible polar regions where I live
now.

In the end, I think we all want EPC 2004 to be as successful as
possible, and conflicts won't achieve that.

I think we all want to try to pull in the same direction, but we
got an unsynchronized start it seems. I hope that can be fixed.


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