From Tom Deprez" Ok,just back from holiday. Anything I need to know? Regards, Tom. From denis@aragne.com Tue Apr 2 23:01:46 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:01:46 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Website [Was : Back] In-Reply-To: <017701c1da79$f9d246d0$598d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <017701c1da79$f9d246d0$598d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020403010146.L11980@carolo.net> Le Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 09:09:47PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > Ok,just back from holiday. (Happy man ! ;-)) > Anything I need to know? The website is not readable with Linux/Netscape 4.77 Must be the css ... the background is black. :-( With Mozilla it's just fine though. Wouldn't the time have come to put a page with the program ? In a disordered way, first, as soon as speakers are confirmed, in a time table as soon as possible. Another point : we need a banner to put on friendly websites. Vincent sent me the one I put into the wiki http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/EuroPython_banner.gif It's nice but perhaps someone on the list will find the killer slogan of the year. Wake up your inventiveness ! We're waiting for proposals... Thank you. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Tue Apr 2 23:38:30 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:38:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Venue confirmed Message-ID: <20020403013830.M11980@carolo.net> The venue has been confirmed. We will have the auditorium and the whole second floor at least. If more rooms are needed, depending on the final program and potential exhibitors, tell it without waiting too long. (One of these other rooms is already reserved for a government work meeting on the Friday morning, so we will have interresting neightbours). With that space, we can have up to 400 attendees. We'll have to use the multi-purpose for the best, but it can be OK for several tracks : I've been told the "mutable" walls are sound-proof enough. Let's pray for good weather and we will have the terrace too. The rotonde is well fitted for posters and a few chairs, other open spaces could be used for larger booths. Internet access can be provided. Conclusion : the Charleroi team opens reservation for exhibitors from now on. Take advantage of the momentary quietness of the list to be the first to ask for what you want. Later, you'll only get what others have left. :-) Thank you Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Wed Apr 3 00:38:50 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:38:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Special prices in Charleroi Business Hotel and other Message-ID: <20020403023850.N11980@carolo.net> We met the administrator of the Business Hotel today. http://www.businesshotel.be It's a good business class hotel well situated near the center, they have a sauna, good alcohols and they are Internet aware. We can enjoy certain advantages : There are 57 rooms available (all double) 1 person : 66 EUR for a room + 7 EUR for the breakfast 2 persons : 66 EUR for a room + 14 EUR for the breakfast (Normal prices, as shown on the website is 80 EUR + 12/24 EUR) 7 of these are suites (larger rooms with a lounge) but have a 35 EUR supplement. You can book online. If it's too expensive, there are cheaper hotels. Formule 1 is the less expensive one (ask to Joachim, Martijn and Kit what they think about it, they slept there.) http://www.hotelformule1.com/formule1 It should be possible to reserve rooms in a sport center too (still cheaper), but we would have to assure fixed reservations. Tell us if many of you would like this kind of accommodation. Thank you Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mal@lemburg.com Wed Apr 3 07:59:55 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:59:55 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Special prices in Charleroi Business Hotel and other References: <20020403023850.N11980@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CAAB67B.71931709@lemburg.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: >=20 > We met the administrator of the Business Hotel today. > http://www.businesshotel.be > It's a good business class hotel well situated near the center, > they have a sauna, good alcohols and they are Internet aware. >=20 > We can enjoy certain advantages : > There are 57 rooms available (all double) > 1 person : 66 EUR for a room + 7 EUR for the breakfast > 2 persons : 66 EUR for a room + 14 EUR for the breakfast > (Normal prices, as shown on the website is 80 EUR + 12/24 EUR) > 7 of these are suites (larger rooms with a lounge) but have a 35 EUR > supplement. >=20 > You can book online. Is there some code word we have to mention on the registration web-page to get the reduced rates ? =20 > If it's too expensive, there are cheaper hotels. Formule 1 is the less > expensive one (ask to Joachim, Martijn and Kit what they think about it= , > they slept there.) http://www.hotelformule1.com/formule1 >=20 > It should be possible to reserve rooms in a sport center too (still > cheaper), but we would have to assure fixed reservations. Tell us if > many of you would like this kind of accommodation. Good work, Denis ! --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From marc@msys.ch Wed Apr 3 14:25:49 2002 From: marc@msys.ch (Marc Balmer) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:25:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] German Announcement Message-ID: Dear All The german announcement on www-europython.org contains a "bug": It states that the conference will last from 1. till 28. june. Whoever is in charge of the document, please correct it. """ European Python and Zope Conference 2002 (EuroPython 2002) 1. - 28. Juni 2002 Charleroi, Belgien http://www.europython.org """ Regards, Marc -- Marc Balmer, Micro Systems, Kannenfeldstrasse 32, CH-4056 Basel Tel +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12, http://www.msys.ch/ From oli@aragne.com Wed Apr 3 16:06:21 2002 From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:06:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Website [Was : Back] In-Reply-To: <20020403010146.L11980@carolo.net> References: <017701c1da79$f9d246d0$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020403010146.L11980@carolo.net> Message-ID: <20020403160621.GA1943@debian> On mer, 03 avr 2002, Denis Frère wrote: > The website is not readable with Linux/Netscape 4.77 > Must be the css ... the background is black. :-( > With Mozilla it's just fine though. It's now working correctly with Netscape 4.7x. The background image is not showing but it's less urgent. Vincent will fix it soon. -- Olivier Laurent. P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From lozinski@openstepnews.com Wed Apr 3 18:02:56 2002 From: lozinski@openstepnews.com (Christopher Lozinski) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:02:56 -0800 Subject: [EuroPython] Python and Zope Banner Exchange In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020403100201.00a07800@imap.imeme.net> Is growing rapidly. Check it out at http://www.pythonandzope.com/BannerInfo You are invited to join it. Just send me your banner. Regards Christopher Lozinski From Tom Deprez" <20020403010146.L11980@carolo.net> Message-ID: <005301c1db3d$57a03650$598d84d5@skullsplitter> > > Anything I need to know? > > The website is not readable with Linux/Netscape 4.77 > Must be the css ... the background is black. :-( > With Mozilla it's just fine though. Ok, Vincent & Olivier made a patch. > Wouldn't the time have come to put a page with the program ? > In a disordered way, first, as soon as speakers are confirmed, > in a time table as soon as possible. Yes, Are there arleady some confirmations? > Another point : we need a banner to put on friendly websites. > Vincent sent me the one I put into the wiki > http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/EuroPython_banner.gif > It's nice but perhaps someone on the list will find the killer > slogan of the year. > > Wake up your inventiveness ! We're waiting for proposals... Great idea. Perhaps the text shouldn't be placed in the logo. Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi, I know it is difficult, but is it possible -by the budget team- to give the fees for registration so that we can start on implementing the online registration? Thanks in advancen Tom. From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org Thu Apr 4 09:49:52 2002 From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:49:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Promotion of Zope in Europe Message-ID: Dear members of the Eurozope list, I try to promote Zope as much as I can around Brussels, and as such=20 participate as much as I can, and not enough recently, to the organisatio= n of=20 the Europython event.=20 The actions about done by Eurozope and the Europython/zope conferences ar= e=20 really good but I feel more has to be done if we want t achieve the succe= ss=20 Zope deserve as a recent personnal experience shows. This is especially true in order to compete with other Application server= s as=20 I have hardly experienced recently (especially java jboss/tomcat) I would like herewith to start a reflexion process that could lead to mor= e=20 visibility, first through the Europython conference. Please also consider to help with the organisation of the Europython=20 conference. I am wondering how we could professionalize the activities that Eurozope=20 could manage and, similarly, extend Eurozope. Thank you for you ideas and contribution, Nicolas PS I will be away till April 12, out or reach of any computer. --=20 Nicolas Pettiaux Avenue du P=E9rou 29 B-1000 Brussels From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 4 10:37:48 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:37:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] moving forward Message-ID: <20020404103748.GA19116@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Sorry for my quiet for some time; I had a deadline just before easter, and then easter break. Next week I'll be off in Berlin for the Zope BBQ; I believe we want to do an impromptu EuroPython meeting there with whomever shows up -- I think we need to set a day and time for that. :) I'd like to move ahead with the call for participation by speakers, going for the simplified approach suggested by Marc-Andre (no web form, the track organizers just mail people they want to be speakers): Currently it says we have the following tracks planned: 1. Python and Jython (Conference Day 1, AM + PM) 2. Python in Business (Conference Day 1, AM) 3. Python in Science (Conference Day 1, PM) 4. Zope (Conference Day 2, AM) 5. Web Services (Conference Day 2, AM) 6. Python in Computer Education (Conference Day 2, AM) 7. Python in Computer Graphics (Tutorial Day, AM) So, do we have track organizers for each tracks? Right now I'm in favor by the way of mostly ignoring the given time blocks (day 2 am), and taking them as suggestions until we get further information on who is speaking. I can imagine tracks spanning longer times, possibly running in parallel with tutorial day, etc, if the need arises, or some tracks may devolve into just one or two talks and/or tutorials. I also raise some questions on having web services running in parallel with the Zope track -- I imagine people interested in Zope may also want to attend things on web services (then again, this always happens. Still, running the Python 'hackers' track in parallel with the Zope track will probably give rise to less conflicts). 1. Python and Jython Who is organizing Python and Jython? Perhaps we should rename this to the 'Python language track' or the 'Python hackers track'. Though perhaps that is too specific, if we're to have talks on, say, XML in it. Anyway, I see some room for highly technical talks on Python the language. It looks like we can do something something technical on Jython, Psyco, and Stackless. Alternatively we can have less intense introductory talks about all three; I think we should certainly plan something along those lines for Jython. I'll help organize parts of this track but I shouldn't do it on my own, so who else is/wants to be involved? 2. Python in Business This track seems to be in very capable hands so I'll leave it alone in my discussions. :) 3. Python in Science How is this coming along? Did the 'I need a letter from the conference so I can prove it is real' bit get worked out yet? I am afraid I lost track of that. 4. Zope Tom Deprez is helping to organize this, along with me, but we could use some assistance here. I see Dario Lopez-Kaesten is also interested in helping out. 5. Web services. This seems to be moving along as well. 6. Python in Computer Education. How are we coming along here? This, besides the business track, may be most interesting to attend for locals in Charleroi (we do need to have some appeal for them). Who is organizing this? Should this be a full fledged track? 7. Python in Computer Graphics This doesn't seem to be a track as such, more like a person who wants to do a tutorial. Of course we can give tutorials, but perhaps we should demote this one from track status unless I'm missing something. I need at least one person stepping forward for each of these tracks; if no one does we'll simply have to drop that track. All the track leaders should organize an effort to mail people they want to give talks; what the program committee as a whole needs first is a list of who they've contacted and for what, and what the response was (and any possible special requirements). By the end of this month speakers should mostly be finalized and we can start to put together the actual program. Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 4 12:03:02 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:03:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] moving forward References: <20020404103748.GA19116@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CAC40F6.995BE002@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Hi there, > > Sorry for my quiet for some time; I had a deadline just before easter, > and then easter break. Next week I'll be off in Berlin for the Zope BBQ; > I believe we want to do an impromptu EuroPython meeting there with whomever > shows up -- I think we need to set a day and time for that. :) I had a discussion with Tim Couper about this. Wouldn't it make sense to have an official meeting of the conference team in Charleroi sometime early in May ? We both think that some things can more easily be decided on at a F2F meeting, e.g. taking a tour of the building, checking availability of rooms and possibilities of having parallel tracks/talks. We might also want another preparatory meeting early in June to get clear on last-minute issues. Thoughts ? > I'd like to move ahead with the call for participation by speakers, > going for the simplified approach suggested by Marc-Andre (no web form, > the track organizers just mail people they want to be speakers): > > Currently it says we have the following tracks planned: > > 1. Python and Jython (Conference Day 1, AM + PM) > 2. Python in Business (Conference Day 1, AM) > 3. Python in Science (Conference Day 1, PM) > 4. Zope (Conference Day 2, AM) > 5. Web Services (Conference Day 2, AM) > 6. Python in Computer Education (Conference Day 2, AM) > 7. Python in Computer Graphics (Tutorial Day, AM) > > So, do we have track organizers for each tracks? > Right now I'm in favor by the way of mostly ignoring the given time > blocks (day 2 am), and taking them as suggestions until we get further > information on who is speaking. I can imagine tracks spanning longer times, > possibly running in parallel with tutorial day, etc, if the need arises, > or some tracks may devolve into just one or two talks and/or tutorials. > I also raise some questions on having web services running in parallel with > the Zope track -- I imagine people interested in Zope may also want to attend > things on web services (then again, this always happens. Still, running the > Python 'hackers' track in parallel with the Zope track will probably give > rise to less conflicts). Tim and I chose to move the web services track to day 2 to be able to use the time frame for a round-table discussion as follow-up to the business track on day 1. Mainly, because web services will probably not have more than 3-4 talks (6 talks would fit into the time frame). If we could find a different time frame for the optional round-table discussion, moving the web services track is not a problem (shouldn't be in parallel to the business track for obvious reasons, though ;-). > 1. Python and Jython > > Who is organizing Python and Jython? Perhaps we should rename this to the > 'Python language track' or the 'Python hackers track'. Though perhaps that > is too specific, if we're to have talks on, say, XML in it. Anyway, I > see some room for highly technical talks on Python the language. It looks > like we can do something something technical on Jython, Psyco, and Stackless. > Alternatively we can have less intense introductory talks about all three; > I think we should certainly plan something along those lines for Jython. Just an idea: I would appreciate a talk about where Jython stands w/r to CPython in terms of features, bugs, etc. It would also be interesting to hear about success stories on using JPE to bind CPython to the Java VM and PyPerl to bind Python to Perl. > I'll help organize parts of this track but I shouldn't do it on my own, > so who else is/wants to be involved? > > 2. Python in Business > > This track seems to be in very capable hands so I'll leave it alone in > my discussions. :) > > 3. Python in Science > > How is this coming along? Did the 'I need a letter from the conference so > I can prove it is real' bit get worked out yet? I am afraid I lost track > of that. > > 4. Zope > > Tom Deprez is helping to organize this, along with me, but we could use some > assistance here. I see Dario Lopez-Kaesten is also interested in helping > out. > > 5. Web services. This seems to be moving along as well. > > 6. Python in Computer Education. How are we coming along here? This, > besides the business track, may be most interesting to attend for locals > in Charleroi (we do need to have some appeal for them). Who is > organizing this? Should this be a full fledged track? > > 7. Python in Computer Graphics > This doesn't seem to be a track as such, more like a person who wants to > do a tutorial. Of course we can give tutorials, but perhaps we should > demote this one from track status unless I'm missing something. What other tutorials are planned ? Just to get the wording right: I'd suggest not to use the term "track" for tutorials to avoid confusion. > I need at least one person stepping forward for each of these tracks; > if no one does we'll simply have to drop that track. All the track > leaders should organize an effort to mail people they want to give > talks; what the program committee as a whole needs first is a list of > who they've contacted and for what, and what the response was (and any > possible special requirements). By the end of this month speakers should > mostly be finalized and we can start to put together the actual program. Is putting a list of proposed talks into the Wiki enough ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr Thu Apr 4 12:20:53 2002 From: odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr (Olivier Deckmyn) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:20:53 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Promotion of Zope in Europe References: Message-ID: <023401c1dbd3$2a4b39c0$6300010a@kashmir> Hi Nicolas, I am happy to see that I am not the only one to have such ideas ;-) We have 3 ideas to promote Zope : 1/ Zope Pavillion : On each major exhibit we should buy a big pavillion where each suscribing company could have its booth. I am sure that Zope Corp would send us some= one for major exhibits. This pavillion would be "Zope Pavillion". It would be huge ; like the one that "Oracle solutions providers" have at major exhib= it (well...may be not as big !) We (IngeniWeb) were at ComDex Paris (Online 2002) last week, and a _lot_ = of people were attracted by our solutions and by the Zope flag. Ask Paul. 2/ Paper ads : Buy magazine ads. This is only a country-wide solution. Zope Solution Providers should buy a full page with an ad for Zope together, with a lis= t of their logo/name/url at the bottom of the page. 3/ Banners : Buy Internet ads. The banner, zope-centric would redirect to a page where subscribing companies would have a short summary of their solutions and a link. I have no "free" solution : participating ZSPs have to give money to be there. On each solution, all ZSPs have to take part of the game. One need to hav= e a Zope centric organiser. This could be EuroZope. This could be something/somebody else. The most important thing is that it(he) must be Zope centric, not "vendor" centric. ZSPs have to understand they have to work together to get a bigger market. All this should make Zope 10x bigger. Please comment ;) Olivier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Pettiaux" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: [EuroPython] Promotion of Zope in Europe Dear members of the Eurozope list, I try to promote Zope as much as I can around Brussels, and as such participate as much as I can, and not enough recently, to the organisatio= n of the Europython event. The actions about done by Eurozope and the Europython/zope conferences ar= e really good but I feel more has to be done if we want t achieve the succe= ss Zope deserve as a recent personnal experience shows. This is especially true in order to compete with other Application server= s as I have hardly experienced recently (especially java jboss/tomcat) I would like herewith to start a reflexion process that could lead to mor= e visibility, first through the Europython conference. Please also consider to help with the organisation of the Europython conference. I am wondering how we could professionalize the activities that Eurozope could manage and, similarly, extend Eurozope. Thank you for you ideas and contribution, Nicolas PS I will be away till April 12, out or reach of any computer. -- Nicolas Pettiaux Avenue du P=E9rou 29 B-1000 Brussels _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 4 12:28:31 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:28:31 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration fees References: <00f901c1db45$d8d15b70$598d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CAC46EF.A4C5EA49@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi, > > I know it is difficult, but is it possible -by the budget team- to give the > fees for registration so that we can start on implementing the online > registration? I'm not on the budget team, but just to get an idea of the number of attendees... how many people have registered interest using the web-interface so far ? Did all mailing list participants register ? BTW, the wiki page of the budget team is still full of question marks. Given that budgeting is first priority, the state is, well, frigthening. Here's a starters for per-attendee costs: * conference material EUR 15 * badges, etc. EUR 5 * lunch EUR 20 (per day) * online-payment EUR 5 (ShareIT) * accounting EUR 10 plus we'll have a number of fixed costs which will have to be broken down: * conference tools (projectors, beamers, ...) * accounting * fee for the venue (?) * speaker costs * advertisement * internet access minus: * sponsoring * booth fees * donations Feel free to add new bullets and estimates... To be on the safe side, I think that the conference fee should be around EUR 100,00 per attendee (EUR 50,00 for students) per day or EUR 200,00 per attendee (EUR 100,00 for students) for the complete event This will result in roughly EUR 50 per attendee to make up for fixed costs (taking an estimate of 50% students). At 200 attendees this sums up to EUR 10.000,00 which looks like a reasonable figure to start with. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From paul@zope.com Thu Apr 4 13:11:02 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:11:02 -0500 Subject: [ez] Re: [EuroPython] Promotion of Zope in Europe References: <023401c1dbd3$2a4b39c0$6300010a@kashmir> Message-ID: <3CAC50E6.1020508@zope.com> Olivier Deckmyn wrote: > Hi Nicolas, > > I am happy to see that I am not the only one to have such ideas ;-) > > We have 3 ideas to promote Zope : > > 1/ Zope Pavillion : > On each major exhibit we should buy a big pavillion where each suscribing > company could have its booth. I am sure that Zope Corp would send us someone > for major exhibits. This pavillion would be "Zope Pavillion". It would be > huge ; like the one that "Oracle solutions providers" have at major exhibit > (well...may be not as big !) > We (IngeniWeb) were at ComDex Paris (Online 2002) last week, and a _lot_ of > people were attracted by our solutions and by the Zope flag. Ask Paul. Yep, ask me. Olivier is right. I was in the booth with him for 2 days. Even though this was a mainstream, selling-oriented conference (vs. LinuxExpo), there was clear interest. IngeniWeb really did a good job of connecting with the audience and getting the point across. However, IngeniWeb by itself can't justify the expense of a major presence. The kind of presence where mainstream people (customers and journalists) feel comfortable and convinced about the viability of a particular technology choice. The kind of presence that is distinctive and memorable. In general trade shows are problematic. They are expensive and the output is sometimes vague. But I think that Zope and Python are at the point a single, concerted effort can pay dividends (and also lead to quality sales prospects). > 2/ Paper ads : > Buy magazine ads. This is only a country-wide solution. Zope Solution > Providers should buy a full page with an ad for Zope together, with a list > of their logo/name/url at the bottom of the page. While each spot is country-specific, the campaign could be coordinated across a series of months. Again, ad purchasing has fallen into disrepute. However, whenever the conventional wisdom is unanimous on something, it always makes me think there's an opportunity. :^) Right now ad sales have hit the bottom. Which means they're as cheap as they are ever going to be. You could probably buy all the ads in Linux Magazine now for the price of a half page ad two years ago. There are ideas for making the ad campaign more effective, such as a limited-time promotion of t-shirt giveaway, free web space, etc. I'm sure others can concoct some better ideas. > 3/ Banners : > Buy Internet ads. The banner, zope-centric would redirect to a page where > subscribing companies would have a short summary of their solutions and a > link. If paper ad prices have hit rock bottom, then banner ads are in the basement. :^) > I have no "free" solution : participating ZSPs have to give money to be > there. > > On each solution, all ZSPs have to take part of the game. One need to have a > Zope centric organiser. This could be EuroZope. This could be > something/somebody else. The most important thing is that it(he) must be > Zope centric, not "vendor" centric. > > ZSPs have to understand they have to work together to get a bigger market. This is the most important point. Other ZSPs as competitors isn't the real issue. Dramatically growing the market potential is more important. And no ZSP (ZC included) can do this single-handedly. > All this should make Zope 10x bigger. Mmm, yummy. :^) --Paul From Tom Deprez" Hi all, I'm happy that I can join some of you in Berlin. Like last year, I'm staying in Hotel Leopold from 10th till 14th of April. I'm wondering if we could organise some gatherings in the evenings to discuss several thingies. Lets just name a place and an hour so that we can all gather there. Perhaps Beehive can give some hints? What do you all think? Regards, Tom. From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org Thu Apr 4 14:12:27 2002 From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:12:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Promotion of Zope in Europe In-Reply-To: <023401c1dbd3$2a4b39c0$6300010a@kashmir> References: <023401c1dbd3$2a4b39c0$6300010a@kashmir> Message-ID: Le Jeudi 4 Avril 2002 14:20, Olivier Deckmyn a =E9crit : > Hi Nicolas, > > I am happy to see that I am not the only one to have such ideas ;-) Thank you for your reply. For me the goal is=20 =20 All this should make Zope 10x bigger. by pooling the ressources of the members of the community > We have 3 ideas to promote Zope : > > 1/ Zope Pavillion : > 2/ Paper ads : > 3/ Banners : Good ideas for me. What I would like to see and discuss, for example, is some pooled investm= ent=20 by companies selling zope services and customers alike into Zope, and the= n =20 hire someone convenient, who would dedicate his time to the promotion of = zope=20 and animate such activities. THis is for short, before I leave. Regards, Nicolas --=20 Nicolas Pettiaux Avenue du P=E9rou 29 B-1000 Brussels From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org Thu Apr 4 16:33:34 2002 From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:33:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration fees In-Reply-To: <3CAC46EF.A4C5EA49@lemburg.com> References: <00f901c1db45$d8d15b70$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CAC46EF.A4C5EA49@lemburg.com> Message-ID: Le Jeudi 4 Avril 2002 14:28, M.-A. Lemburg a =E9crit : Thank you for your contribution. I have sent to Denis a plan of a budget (a spreadsheet) to which your=20 contribution comes as a good complement. I suppose Denis will add it and post as soon as he can. I will be away till friday 12/4. Best regards, Nicolas > > Hi, > > > > I know it is difficult, but is it possible -by the budget team- to gi= ve > > the fees for registration so that we can start on implementing the on= line > > registration? > > I'm not on the budget team, but just to get an idea of the number > of attendees... how many people have registered interest using > the web-interface so far ? > > Did all mailing list participants register ? > > BTW, the wiki page of the budget team is still full of question > marks. Given that budgeting is first priority, the state > is, well, frigthening. > > Here's a starters for per-attendee costs: > > * conference material=09=09EUR 15 > * badges, etc.=09=09=09EUR 5 > * lunch=09=09=09=09EUR 20 (per day) > * online-payment=09=09EUR 5 (ShareIT) > * accounting=09=09=09EUR 10 > > plus we'll have a number of fixed costs which will > have to be broken down: > > * conference tools (projectors, beamers, ...) > * accounting > * fee for the venue (?) > * speaker costs > * advertisement > * internet access > > minus: > > * sponsoring > * booth fees > * donations > > Feel free to add new bullets and estimates... > > To be on the safe side, I think that the conference fee > should be around > > EUR 100,00 per attendee (EUR 50,00 for students) > per day > > or > > EUR 200,00 per attendee (EUR 100,00 for students) > for the complete event > > This will result in roughly EUR 50 per attendee to > make up for fixed costs (taking an estimate of 50% > students). At 200 attendees this sums up to > EUR 10.000,00 which looks like a reasonable figure > to start with. --=20 Nicolas Pettiaux Avenue du P=E9rou 29 B-1000 Brussels From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 4 16:51:10 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:51:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration fees References: <00f901c1db45$d8d15b70$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CAC46EF.A4C5EA49@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CAC847E.733D2A11@lemburg.com> Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: >=20 > Le Jeudi 4 Avril 2002 14:28, M.-A. Lemburg a =E9crit : >=20 > Thank you for your contribution. >=20 > I have sent to Denis a plan of a budget (a spreadsheet) to which your > contribution comes as a good complement. >=20 > I suppose Denis will add it and post as soon as he can. Great ! =20 --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From philikon@gmx.net Thu Apr 4 20:39:52 2002 From: philikon@gmx.net (Philipp von Weitershausen) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:39:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [ez] Berlin, next week References: <016001c1dbdf$6dd1f1f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CACBA18.40800@gmx.net> Hi Tom and all, > I'm happy that I can join some of you in Berlin. > Like last year, I'm staying in Hotel Leopold from 10th till 14th of April. > I'm wondering if we could organise some gatherings in the evenings to > discuss several thingies. > Lets just name a place and an hour so that we can all gather there. > Perhaps Beehive can give some hints? > What do you all think? I think that'd be awesome. I don't really know any places in the South where the Hotel Leopold and beehive themselves are located. The Cafe Hardenberg near the Zoo (that is the center of the city) is a nice place where I go with many people. See this map for the exact location: http://www.stadtplandienst.de/query?ORT=b;LL=%2B52.509607%2B13.325034;GR=2 What was the bar called you guys went to last year? Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make it that Wednesday. If you're all familiar with it, we might as well meet there. Looking forward to seeing you again, Phil From ct@gocept.com Fri Apr 5 18:12:21 2002 From: ct@gocept.com (Christian Theune) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:12:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [ez] Berlin, next week In-Reply-To: <3CACBA18.40800@gmx.net> References: <016001c1dbdf$6dd1f1f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CACBA18.40800@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20020405201221.A17357@pegasus.ct.gocept.com> * Philipp von Weitershausen [020404 22:48]: > What was the bar called you guys went to last year? Unfortunately, I > wasn't able to make it that Wednesday. If you're all familiar with it, > we might as well meet there. It was called something with "Mr. ...." but i can't remember exactly ;) Christian -- Christian Theune - ct@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co.kg - schalaunische strasse 6 - 06366 koethen/anhalt tel.+49 3496 3099112 - fax.+49 3496 3099118 mob. - 0178 48 33 981 reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,[chr(ord(x)^42) for x in 'zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b']) From mpratt@beehive.de Fri Apr 5 18:28:03 2002 From: mpratt@beehive.de (Mark Pratt) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:28:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [ez] Berlin, next week In-Reply-To: <20020405201221.A17357@pegasus.ct.gocept.com> Message-ID: hi guys, i just got back to berlin from a little business trip. > * Philipp von Weitershausen [020404 22:48]: > > What was the bar called you guys went to last year? Unfortunately, I > > wasn't able to make it that Wednesday. If you're all familiar with it, > > we might as well meet there. > > It was called something with "Mr. ...." but i can't remember exactly ;) your right its called "Mr. Wu" location: goltzstr. 39, Schoeneberg ubahn: eisenacherstr or nollendorfplatz its a great bar. look forward to seeing you all next week in berlin! mark -------------------------------------------------------------- mark pratt (managing director) mark@beehive.de beehive elektronische medien GmbH http://www.beehive.de phone: +49 30 847-82 0 fax: +49 30 847-82 299 From andy@reportlab.com Fri Apr 5 22:40:04 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:40:04 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] ReportLab Talks Message-ID: I'm sorry not to have made much contribution recently but am starting to plan what ReportLab can do to help. The many things we would talk about cut across several tracks - we could fill a whole day easily - so I'd like to ask for ideas on priorities, and also who are the right "organisers" for some of the topics below. We have a LOT of stuff we could talk about; I will discuss breaking this into the right chunks with the track leaders. - about our open source PDF generating tools - our (open source) platform independent vector graphics library - possibly with neat SVG stuff to show - reporting as a web service - what we do for real with our big clients, (and how easy it was to build with Python) (not free stuff) - general input to business track - discussion on 'war stories' of small Python businesses, pricing models etc etc - full day or half day of tutorials - some kind of "sprint" to get some features added, or maybe do something cool on Python documentation tools or plumbin our reporting tools into Zope - I and/or colleagues will give general tutorials on any topic deemed important or useful Also, I believe we should get the Secret Labs people here; I think they may have some very exciting stuff to talk about by then - but maybe it's still too Secret :-). Finally, will companies be able to get stands to display our wares from? Is it just me or would anyone else like one? Some space for desks, or wall space for literature or something, will really help. Thanks, Andy Robinson CEO/Chief Architect, ReportLab inc. From mal@lemburg.com Sat Apr 6 16:14:56 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:14:56 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Special prices in Charleroi Business Hotel and other References: <20020403023850.N11980@carolo.net> <3CAAB67B.71931709@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CAF1F00.AC4B329A@lemburg.com> Has anyone tried to book this hotel yet ? --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg ________________________________________________________________________ Business: http://www.lemburg.com/ Python Pages: http://www.lemburg.com/python/ "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: >=20 > Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > > > > We met the administrator of the Business Hotel today. > > http://www.businesshotel.be > > It's a good business class hotel well situated near the center, > > they have a sauna, good alcohols and they are Internet aware. > > > > We can enjoy certain advantages : > > There are 57 rooms available (all double) > > 1 person : 66 EUR for a room + 7 EUR for the breakfast > > 2 persons : 66 EUR for a room + 14 EUR for the breakfast > > (Normal prices, as shown on the website is 80 EUR + 12/24 EUR) > > 7 of these are suites (larger rooms with a lounge) but have a 35 EUR > > supplement. > > > > You can book online. >=20 > Is there some code word we have to mention on the registration > web-page to get the reduced rates ? >=20 > > If it's too expensive, there are cheaper hotels. Formule 1 is the les= s > > expensive one (ask to Joachim, Martijn and Kit what they think about = it, > > they slept there.) http://www.hotelformule1.com/formule1 > > > > It should be possible to reserve rooms in a sport center too (still > > cheaper), but we would have to assure fixed reservations. Tell us if > > many of you would like this kind of accommodation. >=20 > Good work, Denis ! >=20 > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Sat Apr 6 17:27:32 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Venue confirmed In-Reply-To: <20020403013830.M11980@carolo.net> Message-ID: > Conclusion : the Charleroi team opens reservation for exhibitors from > now on. Take advantage of the momentary quietness of the list to be the > first to ask for what you want. Later, you'll only get what others have > left. :-) Salut, Logilab est intéressé par un stand lors d'EuroPython, je te donnerai plus de détails dès mardi. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From denis@aragne.com Sun Apr 7 23:03:15 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:03:15 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Special prices in Charleroi Business Hotel and other In-Reply-To: <3CAF1F00.AC4B329A@lemburg.com> References: <20020403023850.N11980@carolo.net> <3CAAB67B.71931709@lemburg.com> <3CAF1F00.AC4B329A@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020408000315.D1882@carolo.net> Le Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 06:14:56PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > Has anyone tried to book this hotel yet ? Did you try ? Got problems ? > > Is there some code word we have to mention on the registration > > web-page to get the reduced rates ? (Did I answer that one ?) Just say you're coming for EuroPython. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Sun Apr 7 23:09:47 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:09:47 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython booths [Was: Venue confirmed] In-Reply-To: References: <20020403013830.M11980@carolo.net> Message-ID: <20020408000947.E1882@carolo.net> Le Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:27:32PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvat pianota: >=20 > Logilab est int=E9ress=E9 par un stand lors d'EuroPython, je te donnera= i plus > de d=E9tails d=E8s mardi. That's three (plus the books booth). Tomorrow morning, I've a meeting with the CEME people. I'm going to take some pictures to try to let you imagine what you can expect from the topology. If you have special questions ... Denis --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Sun Apr 7 23:40:11 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:40:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Eric S. Raymond will be among us too ! Message-ID: <20020408004011.F1882@carolo.net> Eric S. Raymond proposed himself for our meeting. Since his diary is rapidly booked, I did dare to accept before discussing the point with the program committee. Martijn was in cc to our mail exchange ; since he kept silent about it, I think he agrees. :-) (Do you, Martijn ?) Nicolas and I think it's a good think Eric will be with us : he's well known outside the Python world. If we want to attract new Python fans, he's one of the profiles we need. Here's what I last told him, and his answer : D>> Have a look in the wiki: D>> http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks and D>> http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/PeopleAndTalks D>> Tell us what you would talk about so that we can stick you D>> appropriately in the program. E> I could give a talk on effective Python advocacy. Or I could give a E> technical talk on doclifter, a Python program that translates E> mm/me/ms/man sources to DocBook (there are some inteeresting compiler E> techniques in there). What do you think ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Mon Apr 8 00:40:04 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:40:04 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] ReportLab Talks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020408014004.G1882@carolo.net> Le Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:40:04PM +0100, Andy Robinson pianota: > I'm sorry not to have made much contribution recently > but am starting to plan what ReportLab can do to help. Some PDF flyers too ? > The many things we would talk about cut across several tracks - > we could fill a whole day easily - so I'd like to ask for > ideas on priorities, and also who are the right "organisers" > for some of the topics below. cf. program committee in the wiki. > We have a LOT of stuff we could talk about; > [a list of interresting proposals] For me, you're welcome : I love what you're doing (I'm subscribed to your mailing list and I use your libraries). But Marc-Andre will answer this point better, I guess. > Also, I believe we should get the Secret Labs people here; > I think they may have some very exciting stuff to talk about > by then - but maybe it's still too Secret :-). Does someone from Secret Labs follow us on the list ? Is someone here in close relation with them ? > Finally, will companies be able to get stands to display our > wares from? Yes, of course. I thought I was explicit enough. :-( > Is it just me or would anyone else like one? Nicolas (Logilab), Heracles (a local business center) and you. A belgian book distributor will also be selling books (who would have guessed !) and we'll have a booth with goodies (e.g. tee-shirts). Moreover, some other ones had asked for booths earlier : they should step in back now that things are evolving in a good way. > Some space for desks, or wall space for literature or something, > will really help. What would be your wishes ? You could ask for some wall space to an equiped dedicated room... We have no fixed prices , but I can send you an estimate. Really glad to have you with us. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From lac@strakt.com Mon Apr 8 07:16:51 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:16:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Eric S. Raymond will be among us too ! In-Reply-To: Message from Denis Frere of "Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:40:11 +0200." <20020408004011.F1882@carolo.net> References: <20020408004011.F1882@carolo.net> Message-ID: <200204080616.g386Gqdj019517@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Eric Raymond and I have been friends for years. This is GREAT, both for the conference, and because I don't get to see him enough. I assume he wants to talk in the Business Track about Open Source Advocacy. There goes my talk (or a lot of it at any rate). Somebody got any preference about what I am to talk about? Warning, I won't be discussing my experiences with the Canadian military's experiements in measuring brain-wave activity and what that means in terms of learning programming concepts. Nobody mention PEP 285. Laura From denis@aragne.com Mon Apr 8 09:01:05 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:01:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration fees In-Reply-To: <3CAC847E.733D2A11@lemburg.com> References: <00f901c1db45$d8d15b70$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CAC46EF.A4C5EA49@lemburg.com> <3CAC847E.733D2A11@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020408100105.K1882@carolo.net> Le Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 06:51:10PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > > > > I have sent to Denis a plan of a budget (a spreadsheet) to which your > > contribution comes as a good complement. > > > > I suppose Denis will add it and post as soon as he can. > > Great ! I uploaded the spreadsheet Nicolas sent me http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/budget_01.xls (by the way, Nicolas, why didn't you upload it yourself ?) I didn't change anything to it though it's already sure some figures must be adapted. At least, we now have a starting point. Thank you Nicolas. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From jacek@artymiak.com Mon Apr 8 11:16:42 2002 From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:16:42 -0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Business Track & C. Graphics Track Message-ID: <20020408091642.A11817@skuba.h--y.com> Hi, I wanted to let the organizers know that I will not be able to attend the EuroPython conference this year, because my schedule won't allow for it. I'll remove information about my talk (Business Track) and the FreeMovie/Python workshop (Computer Graphics) from the EuroPython Wiki. I will still be monitoring the EuroPython mailing list to see if I can do anything to help. -- Jacek Artymiak writer, author, developer, consultant -------- e-mail: jacek@artymiak.com -------- www: http://www.artymiak.com -------- From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 8 09:35:48 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:35:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Special prices in Charleroi Business Hotel and other References: <20020403023850.N11980@carolo.net> <3CAAB67B.71931709@lemburg.com> <3CAF1F00.AC4B329A@lemburg.com> <20020408000315.D1882@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CB15664.4ED131AA@lemburg.com> Denis Frere wrote: > > Le Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 06:14:56PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > Has anyone tried to book this hotel yet ? > > Did you try ? Got problems ? No... > > > Is there some code word we have to mention on the registration > > > web-page to get the reduced rates ? > > (Did I answer that one ?) > Just say you're coming for EuroPython. ... the point was how to do this via the online web-interface (some hotels usually have a special code field for these things; doesn't seem to be the case here). Anyway, I'll just ring them up, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 8 09:46:07 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:46:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Business Track & C. Graphics Track References: <20020408091642.A11817@skuba.h--y.com> Message-ID: <3CB158CF.7FBA2C4F@lemburg.com> Jacek Artymiak wrote: > > Hi, > > I wanted to let the organizers know that I will not be able to attend the EuroPython conference this year, because my schedule won't allow for it. I'll remove information about my talk (Business Track) and the FreeMovie/Python workshop (Computer Graphics) from the EuroPython Wiki. > Thanks for informing us. > I will still be monitoring the EuroPython mailing list to see if I can do anything to help. > Hope to see you at EuroPython 2003. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 8 10:00:02 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:00:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] ReportLab Talks References: <20020408014004.G1882@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CB15C12.F96BB15@lemburg.com> Denis Frere wrote: > > > We have a LOT of stuff we could talk about; > > [a list of interresting proposals] > > For me, you're welcome : I love what you're doing (I'm subscribed to > your mailing list and I use your libraries). But Marc-Andre will answer > this point better, I guess. FYI, I've contacted Andy in private mail about this. > > Also, I believe we should get the Secret Labs people here; > > I think they may have some very exciting stuff to talk about > > by then - but maybe it's still too Secret :-). > > Does someone from Secret Labs follow us on the list ? Is someone here > in close relation with them ? I'll try to contact them for the business track. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 8 10:09:35 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:09:35 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Special prices in Charleroi Business Hotel and other References: <20020403023850.N11980@carolo.net> <3CAAB67B.71931709@lemburg.com> <3CAF1F00.AC4B329A@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CB15E4F.7CC60B7D@lemburg.com> FWIW, I think you infos should also be added to the wiki at: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/AccomodationGuide/ -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 8 11:19:22 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:19:22 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Special prices in Charleroi Business Hotel and other References: <20020403023850.N11980@carolo.net> <3CAAB67B.71931709@lemburg.com> <3CAF1F00.AC4B329A@lemburg.com> <20020408000315.D1882@carolo.net> <3CB15664.4ED131AA@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CB16EAA.FEB63343@lemburg.com> "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > Denis Frere wrote: > > > > Le Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 06:14:56PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > Has anyone tried to book this hotel yet ? > > > > Did you try ? Got problems ? > > No... > > > > > Is there some code word we have to mention on the registration > > > > web-page to get the reduced rates ? > > > > (Did I answer that one ?) > > Just say you're coming for EuroPython. > > ... the point was how to do this via the online web-interface > (some hotels usually have a special code field for these things; > doesn't seem to be the case here). FYI, you have to add a short line to the "comments" box on the web-page mentioning EuroPython. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi all, So far 66 people, with a total amount of 106 visitors, shared there interest for the EuroPython congress. Although it is a nice amount already, I think we need to spread the word more around. Is there a commercial team? Are there people who can announce EuroPython on some lists? Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi all, I've contacted New Riders, Sams Publishing and IDG as well. Perhaps they are interested in the congress as well. I'll forward the received information to the list or responsible people. Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Tue Apr 9 09:09:30 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:09:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Results of the Interest Poll References: <01b501c1df3f$b72455b0$218c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CB2A1BA.B98BDB7C@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi all, > > So far 66 people, with a total amount of 106 visitors, shared there interest > for the EuroPython congress. You mean 66 people registered and with a total of 106 people coming ? > Although it is a nice amount already, I think we need to spread the word > more around. Is there a commercial team? I think the press-release team should take care of this. Also, may I suggest to rename the link on europython.org from "you @ europython" to something less geekish like "are you interested in attending europython" or "interested in europython ?". > Are there people who can announce EuroPython on some lists? Sure. I'd just need an official template for the text. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mark.mcmahon@eur.autodesk.com Tue Apr 9 09:13:20 2002 From: mark.mcmahon@eur.autodesk.com (mark.mcmahon@eur.autodesk.com) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:13:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Results of the Interest Poll Message-ID: Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi all, > > So far 66 people, with a total amount of 106 visitors, shared there interest > for the EuroPython congress. Hi, I started filling in the online form but I did not finish it because it was not clear to me if filling in the form would mean that: I REALLY REALLY wanted to go or I would like to go (ie interested), and depending on other matters (price, travel, hotels, etc) I would attend Can the form be made clearer? Mark From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <006201c1dff4$4c592750$218c84d5@skullsplitter> I'll see what I can do. For now it was for people who think on comming and probably will. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: RE: [EuroPython] Results of the Interest Poll > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > So far 66 people, with a total amount of 106 visitors, shared there interest > > for the EuroPython congress. > > Hi, > > I started filling in the online form but I did not finish it because it was not clear to me if filling in the form would mean that: > I REALLY REALLY wanted to go > or > I would like to go (ie interested), and depending on other matters (price, travel, hotels, etc) I would attend > > Can the form be made clearer? > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <3CB2A1BA.B98BDB7C@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <006101c1dff4$4b632e90$218c84d5@skullsplitter> > You mean 66 people registered and with a total of 106 people coming ? I mean 66 people filled in the form and till now we can expect 106 people for the congress (the 106 people is calculated from the 'Amount' field in the form) > > Although it is a nice amount already, I think we need to spread the word > > more around. Is there a commercial team? > > I think the press-release team should take care of this. Yup, who are the press-release team? > Also, may I suggest to rename the link on europython.org > from "you @ europython" to something less geekish like > "are you interested in attending europython" or > "interested in europython ?". Done. > > Are there people who can announce EuroPython on some lists? > > Sure. I'd just need an official template for the text. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From holger@trillke.net Tue Apr 9 21:16:53 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:16:53 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Results of the Interest Poll In-Reply-To: <006101c1dff4$4b632e90$218c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <01b501c1df3f$b72455b0$218c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CB2A1BA.B98BDB7C@lemburg.com> <006101c1dff4$4b632e90$218c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020409201653.GN21372@devel.trillke> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:27:07PM +0200, Tom Deprez wrote: > > You mean 66 people registered and with a total of 106 people coming ? > > I mean 66 people filled in the form and till now we can expect 106 people > for the congress > (the 106 people is calculated from the 'Amount' field in the form) probably 67, i just haven't filled in the form :-) Actually this depends a little on the character of the event. Is it more for (free) developers or for businesses? Of course both is interesting but i may not come if it takes multi-hundreds of euros to come and stay. This is quite usual with the more business-oriented conferences. anyway, i like the idea very much ... holger From marc@msys.ch Tue Apr 9 21:44:22 2002 From: marc@msys.ch (Marc Balmer) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:44:22 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Results of the Interest Poll In-Reply-To: <20020409201653.GN21372@devel.trillke> Message-ID: <92AA7D02-4BFA-11D6-90B1-003065F9345A@msys.ch> > > probably 67, i just haven't filled in the form :-) > Then make it 71, we plan to eventually send four people. - Marc -- Marc Balmer, Micro Systems, Kannenfeldstrasse 32, CH-4056 Basel Tel +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12, http://www.msys.ch/ From Tom Deprez" Hi all, As previous year, I and Denis will be at hotel Leopold at 18.00H (Wednesday). If there are other people interested for a simple gathering, we'll be there waiting for you. Regards, Tom. From mvm@brutele.be Wed Apr 10 11:51:01 2002 From: mvm@brutele.be (Vincent) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:51:01 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] [EuroPython]: the banner...URGENT Please Message-ID: <001601c1e07d$9b681cf0$93fe44d4@gfx1> C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1E08E.5E890360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, Can you tell me what I will write on the "Banner" of EuroPython = Conference 2002 ? Send here your "Slogan" (message) !!! How much people are on this mailling list, SEND anything but SEND, your = filling, I'm still WAITING your imagination !!!??? Thank's all of you... Vincent. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1E08E.5E890360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody,
 
Can you tell me what I will write on = the "Banner"=20 of EuroPython Conference 2002 ?
 
Send here your "Slogan" (message) = !!!
 
How much people are on this mailling = list, SEND=20 anything but SEND, your filling,
I'm still WAITING your imagination=20 !!!???
 
Thank's all of you...
Vincent.
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1E08E.5E890360-- From philikon@gmx.net Wed Apr 10 13:15:23 2002 From: philikon@gmx.net (Philipp von Weitershausen) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:15:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [ez] Berlin References: <010a01c1e017$6e718e90$218c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CB42CDB.50001@gmx.net> Hi Tom, > As previous year, I and Denis will be at hotel Leopold at 18.00H > (Wednesday). > If there are other people interested for a simple gathering, we'll be there > waiting for you. Well, the Zope3 sprinters (faassen, JimFulton, theuni and myself) will call it a day around 19:00 h tonight. We're at beehive, just 10 minutes walking distance from the Hotel. Would you guys wait for us before going anywhere? Philipp From alessandro.maccari@nokia.com Wed Apr 10 17:18:09 2002 From: alessandro.maccari@nokia.com (alessandro.maccari@nokia.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:18:09 +0300 Subject: [EuroPython] Spreading the word Message-ID: I'm not even sure if I should be part of this mailing list, but it was = the only thing I found that could give me more info on the conference. = Like me, there could be many people that haven't bothered filling the = form but are interested in coming. I strongly suggest you set up the = website and announce the venue and accommodation really soon. Big = companies usually require people to plan their travel well in advance. As an advertising means, I suggest posting a call for participation to = the SEWORLD list (I haven't seen any). Mails are received by thousands = of software engineers and developers around the world. More info at = http://www.cs.colorado.edu/serl/seworld/. Cheers, Alessandro M From mal@lemburg.com Wed Apr 10 18:52:55 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:52:55 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Spreading the word References: Message-ID: <3CB47BF7.66B7B3BD@lemburg.com> alessandro.maccari@nokia.com wrote: > > I'm not even sure if I should be part of this mailing list, but it was the only thing I found that could give me more info on the conference. Like me, there could be many people that haven't bothered filling the form but are interested in coming. I strongly suggest you set up the website and announce the venue and accommodation really soon. Big companies usually require people to plan their travel well in advance. > Agreed. There is the draftwiki with all sorts of information, but the web-site is still moving along slowly. I wonder why nobody seems to be interested in helping out with this, now that some real work has to be done... (I still remember the endless discussions we had about all these "interesting" issues like logos, web-site design, etc. we need some "really important" stuff now, like content !) > As an advertising means, I suggest posting a call for participation to the SEWORLD list (I haven't seen any). Mails are received by thousands of software engineers and developers around the world. More info at http://www.cs.colorado.edu/serl/seworld/. > Good idea. Again, could somebody from the press-release team post a short note covering the needed infos to the list or the wiki so that we can use is as template for such mailings ?! Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 11 14:20:23 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:20:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Volunteers ? References: <3CB47BF7.66B7B3BD@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CB58D97.3820EE92@lemburg.com> "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > ... > There is the draftwiki with all sorts of information, but > the web-site is still moving along slowly. I wonder why > nobody seems to be interested in helping out with this, > now that some real work has to be done... (I still remember > the endless discussions we had about all these "interesting" > issues like logos, web-site design, etc. we need some > "really important" stuff now, like content !) > > ... > Again, could somebody from the press-release team post > a short note covering the needed infos to the list or > the wiki so that we can use is as template for such > mailings ?! Anybody ? We only have 2.5 months to go and the web-site is still under "heavy construction"; that's bad PR. Somebody please help out here and contact the web-site team. Dito for the press-release team and most important of all the budget team, so the web-site team can start working on the online registration process ASAP. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Benoit.Zimmer@artesiaservices.be Fri Apr 12 09:22:41 2002 From: Benoit.Zimmer@artesiaservices.be (Zimmer Benoit) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:22:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython digest, Vol 1 #111 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <9FB928ED38F1D411A73700B0D022FB3C017DEB6F@HQ407.bacob.be> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E1FB.368CC2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Due to the the marge of the two belgians banks, Dexia & Artesia, please change my email adress from benoit.zimmer@artesiaservices.be to benoit.zimmer@dexia.be. I also want to get a copy to my personal email adress benoit.zimmer@tiscali.be Thank you for your cooperation Benoit Zimmer -----Original Message----- From: europython-request@python.org [mailto:europython-request@python.org] Sent: jeudi 11 avril 2002 18:00 To: europython@python.org Subject: EuroPython digest, Vol 1 #111 - 3 msgs Send EuroPython mailing list submissions to europython@python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to europython-request@python.org You can reach the person managing the list at europython-admin@python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of EuroPython digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Spreading the word (alessandro.maccari@nokia.com) 2. Re: Spreading the word (M.-A. Lemburg) 3. Volunteers ? (M.-A. Lemburg) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:18:09 +0300 From: To: Subject: [EuroPython] Spreading the word I'm not even sure if I should be part of this mailing list, but it was = the only thing I found that could give me more info on the conference. = Like me, there could be many people that haven't bothered filling the = form but are interested in coming. I strongly suggest you set up the = website and announce the venue and accommodation really soon. Big = companies usually require people to plan their travel well in advance. As an advertising means, I suggest posting a call for participation to = the SEWORLD list (I haven't seen any). Mails are received by thousands = of software engineers and developers around the world. More info at = http://www.cs.colorado.edu/serl/seworld/. Cheers, Alessandro M --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:52:55 +0200 From: "M.-A. Lemburg" Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH To: alessandro.maccari@nokia.com CC: europython@python.org Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Spreading the word alessandro.maccari@nokia.com wrote: > > I'm not even sure if I should be part of this mailing list, but it was the only thing I found that could give me more info on the conference. Like me, there could be many people that haven't bothered filling the form but are interested in coming. I strongly suggest you set up the website and announce the venue and accommodation really soon. Big companies usually require people to plan their travel well in advance. > Agreed. There is the draftwiki with all sorts of information, but the web-site is still moving along slowly. I wonder why nobody seems to be interested in helping out with this, now that some real work has to be done... (I still remember the endless discussions we had about all these "interesting" issues like logos, web-site design, etc. we need some "really important" stuff now, like content !) > As an advertising means, I suggest posting a call for participation to the SEWORLD list (I haven't seen any). Mails are received by thousands of software engineers and developers around the world. More info at http://www.cs.colorado.edu/serl/seworld/. > Good idea. Again, could somebody from the press-release team post a short note covering the needed infos to the list or the wiki so that we can use is as template for such mailings ?! Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:20:23 +0200 From: "M.-A. Lemburg" Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH To: europython@python.org Subject: [EuroPython] Volunteers ? "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > ... > There is the draftwiki with all sorts of information, but > the web-site is still moving along slowly. I wonder why > nobody seems to be interested in helping out with this, > now that some real work has to be done... (I still remember > the endless discussions we had about all these "interesting" > issues like logos, web-site design, etc. we need some > "really important" stuff now, like content !) > > ... > Again, could somebody from the press-release team post > a short note covering the needed infos to the list or > the wiki so that we can use is as template for such > mailings ?! Anybody ? We only have 2.5 months to go and the web-site is still under "heavy construction"; that's bad PR. Somebody please help out here and contact the web-site team. Dito for the press-release team and most important of all the budget team, so the web-site team can start working on the online registration process ASAP. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython End of EuroPython Digest ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E1FB.368CC2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable RE: EuroPython digest, Vol 1 #111 - 3 msgs

Due to the the marge of the two belgians banks, Dexia &am= p; Artesia, please change my email adress from benoit.zimmer@artesiaservice= s.be to benoit.zimmer@dexia.be. I also want to get a copy to my personal em= ail adress benoit.zimmer@tiscali.be

Thank you for your cooperation

Benoit Zimmer

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To: europython@python.org
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Send EuroPython mailing list submissions to
        europython@py= thon.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=
        http://= mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help= ' to
        europython-re= quest@python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
        europython-ad= min@python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is mor= e specific
than "Re: Contents of EuroPython digest..."


Today's Topics:

   1. Spreading the word (alessandro.maccari@no= kia.com)
   2. Re: Spreading the word (M.-A. Lemburg)
   3. Volunteers ? (M.-A. Lemburg)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:18:09 +0300
From: <alessandro.maccari@nokia.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Subject: [EuroPython] Spreading the word

I'm not even sure if I should be part of this mailing lis= t, but it was =3D
the only thing I found that could give me more info on t= he conference. =3D
Like me, there could be many people that haven't bothere= d filling the =3D
form but are interested in coming. I strongly suggest yo= u set up the =3D
website and announce the venue and accommodation really = soon. Big =3D
companies usually require people to plan their travel we= ll in advance.

As an advertising means, I suggest posting a call for par= ticipation to =3D
the SEWORLD list (I haven't seen any). Mails are receive= d by thousands =3D
of software engineers and developers around the world. M= ore info at =3D
http://www.cs.colorado.edu/serl/seworld/.

Cheers,

Alessandro M





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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:52:55 +0200
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com><= /FONT>
Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH
To: alessandro.maccari@nokia.com
CC: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Spreading the word

alessandro.maccari@nokia.com wrote:
>
> I'm not even sure if I should be part of this maili= ng list, but it was the only thing I found that could give me more info on = the conference. Like me, there could be many people that haven't bothered f= illing the form but are interested in coming. I strongly suggest you set up= the website and announce the venue and accommodation really soon. Big comp= anies usually require people to plan their travel well in advance.

>

Agreed.

There is the draftwiki with all sorts of information, but=
the web-site is still moving along slowly. I wonder why<= /FONT>
nobody seems to be interested in helping out with this,<= /FONT>
now that some real work has to be done... (I still remem= ber
the endless discussions we had about all these "int= eresting"
issues like logos, web-site design, etc. we need some
"really important" stuff now, like content !)<= /FONT>

> As an advertising means, I suggest posting a call fo= r participation to the SEWORLD list (I haven't seen any). Mails are receive= d by thousands of software engineers and developers around the world. More = info at http://www.cs.colorado.edu/serl/seworld/.

>

Good idea.

Again, could somebody from the press-release team post
a short note covering the needed infos to the list or
the wiki so that we can use is as template for such
mailings ?!

Thanks,
--
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
________________________________________________________= ______________
Company & Consulting:     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:      &nbs= p;            http://www.egen= ix.com/files/python/



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:20:23 +0200
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com><= /FONT>
Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH
To: europython@python.org
Subject: [EuroPython] Volunteers ?

"M.-A. Lemburg" wrote:
>
> ...
> There is the draftwiki with all sorts of informatio= n, but
> the web-site is still moving along slowly. I wonder= why
> nobody seems to be interested in helping out with t= his,
> now that some real work has to be done... (I still = remember
> the endless discussions we had about all these &quo= t;interesting"
> issues like logos, web-site design, etc. we need so= me
> "really important" stuff now, like conten= t !)
>
> ...
> Again, could somebody from the press-release team p= ost
> a short note covering the needed infos to the list = or
> the wiki so that we can use is as template for such=
> mailings ?!

Anybody ?

We only have 2.5 months to go and the web-site is still <= /FONT>
under "heavy construction"; that's bad PR. Som= ebody please
help out here and contact the web-site team.

Dito for the press-release team and most important of all= the
budget team, so the web-site team can start working on t= he
online registration process ASAP.

Thanks,
--
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
________________________________________________________= ______________
Company & Consulting:     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:      &nbs= p;            http://www.egen= ix.com/files/python/




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E1FB.368CC2C0-- From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Sun Apr 14 20:25:22 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:25:22 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] website et al Message-ID: <017701c1e3ea$215c8b10$848c84d5@skullsplitter> Hi All, Just back from Berlin (the Zope congress). We had a discussion about several things. We're soon back on track... Normally we should have the entrance fees finished by the end of this week. People have given me some clues about places where I can find information on busses, etc.... Moreover, people will also have idea on who will give a talk. At the end of the week I'll (or somebody else) will create a new registration form. Since we then have more information concerning fees, busses, airplain, etc., people should have a good idea on comming or not. Short thereafter we'll make it able to register online. I'm not able to update the website right away, I hope to do it soon, after I'm fully back (:-)) and after I received allo the information (or pointed out to the information) Regards, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 18 20:04:47 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:04:47 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] plan for tomorrow Message-ID: <20020418190447.GA6381@vet.uu.nl> Hey there, We said we'd update the homepage by tomorrow, and I'm behind on this.. Figures in euros are provisional, but seem to be realistic according to some budget calculations we went over at the impromptu meeting in Berlin. But please do comment about the numbers and times. Here's a draft annnouncement that can go on the homepage as well as go out to the various lists and media. ----------------------- Early-bird registration for EuroPython 2002 is now open The early bird registration for the European Python and Zope Conference 2002 (EuroPython) is now open. The EuroPython conference is the first major European event dedicated solely to the Python programming language and its applications. It will be held june 26-28 in Charleroi, Belgium. We are proud to be able to host talks by a number of well-known speakers, including Guido van Rossum, the creator of Python, Paul Everitt of Zope Corporation, and Eric S. Raymond, well known open source advocate. The program includes talks on the Python language itself, Python and the web (including Zope, the Python-based web application platform), as well as the use of these technologies in business, science, and education. Registration Fee Information (full conference) Early Bird Rate (up till sunday may 19).. 200 euro Regular Rate (after may 19).............. 250 euro Student Rate............................. 100 euro You can register online here: http://www.europython.org/.... Payment info? From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 18 20:07:55 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:07:55 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the program Message-ID: <20020418190755.GB6381@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, We need to start confirming speakers. Can people organizing tracks (or willing to help doing so) mail their speakers and get a confirmation as well as a short abstract out of them? We can post the abstracts on the site and start working on a clear program. Here's a list of speakers on the wiki: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PeopleAndTalks We need to go out and confirm them as well as get abstracts. Regards, Martijn From holger@trillke.net Thu Apr 18 20:19:10 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:19:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] plan for tomorrow In-Reply-To: <20020418190447.GA6381@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020418190447.GA6381@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020418191910.GE2079@trillke.net> > Registration Fee Information (full conference) > > Early Bird Rate (up till sunday may 19).. 200 euro > Regular Rate (after may 19).............. 250 euro > Student Rate............................. 100 euro these are good fees in comparison to other similar events. Might i still ask if free developers not currently working for money but for the advancement of free software can participate in the student rate? I know this is somewhat fuzzy to define but it probably boils down to judging a few cases. Most people will not care, i guess. That would be great! holger From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 18 21:12:27 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:12:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the program References: <20020418190755.GB6381@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CBF28AB.A2D82583@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Hi there, > > We need to start confirming speakers. Can people organizing tracks > (or willing to help doing so) mail their speakers and get a confirmation > as well as a short abstract out of them? We can post the abstracts on the > site and start working on a clear program. > > Here's a list of speakers on the wiki: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PeopleAndTalks > > We need to go out and confirm them as well as get abstracts. Confirmed speakers and abstracts are available in the wiki for the web services and business track. Note that April 30th is the current deadline, but the tracks are pretty much organized already (even though a few abstracts are missing). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 18 21:14:39 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:14:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] plan for tomorrow References: <20020418190447.GA6381@vet.uu.nl> <20020418191910.GE2079@trillke.net> Message-ID: <3CBF292F.5C15889D@lemburg.com> holger@trillke.net wrote: > > > Registration Fee Information (full conference) > > > > Early Bird Rate (up till sunday may 19).. 200 euro > > Regular Rate (after may 19).............. 250 euro > > Student Rate............................. 100 euro > > these are good fees in comparison to other similar events. > Might i still ask if free developers not currently working > for money but for the advancement of free software can > participate in the student rate? I know this is somewhat > fuzzy to define but it probably boils down to judging a few > cases. Most people will not care, i guess. That would be great! There no such thing as a free lunch... we can't afford to go down that road, IMHO. The risk of organizational chaos and overbooking the budget are too high. Sorry, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 18 21:16:27 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:16:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] plan for tomorrow References: <20020418190447.GA6381@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CBF299B.8CE75C00@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Hey there, > > We said we'd update the homepage by tomorrow, and I'm behind on this.. > Figures in euros are provisional, but seem to be realistic according to > some budget calculations we went over at the impromptu meeting in Berlin. > But please do comment about the numbers and times. > > Here's a draft annnouncement that can go on the homepage as well as go > out to the various lists and media. > > ----------------------- > Early-bird registration for EuroPython 2002 is now open > > The early bird registration for the European Python and Zope Conference > 2002 (EuroPython) is now open. The EuroPython conference is the > first major European event dedicated solely to the Python programming > language and its applications. It will be held june 26-28 in Charleroi, > Belgium. > > We are proud to be able to host talks by a number of well-known speakers, > including Guido van Rossum, the creator of Python, Paul Everitt of Zope > Corporation, and Eric S. Raymond, well known open source advocate. > > The program includes talks on the Python language itself, Python and the > web (including Zope, the Python-based web application platform), as well > as the use of these technologies in business, science, and education. > > Registration Fee Information (full conference) > > Early Bird Rate (up till sunday may 19).. 200 euro > Regular Rate (after may 19).............. 250 euro > Student Rate............................. 100 euro These are full conference rates, right ? Will we also offer per-day rates ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Juergen Hermann" Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:12:27 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >Confirmed speakers and abstracts are available in the wiki >for the web services and business track. Note that April 30th >is the current deadline, but the tracks are pretty much >organized already (even though a few abstracts are >missing). Where is the biggest need, as you mentioned, the biz & webservices track are pretty filled up. A talk about MoinMoin would concentrate on these topics: * modularization and plugin architecture (I have several reports of people that extending moin is easy because you can concentrate on small = parts of the system) * lessons learned while extending from a 600 line CGI script to today's 19000 lines * using python scripts for configuration It doesn't really fit anywhere, since while moin would fit in the web services track as a type of software, the above topics don't. The other talk would go into these topics: * Python in hi-load environments (~400 linux servers, 600+ million page hits a month, ~10 million registered users) * Python as the ideal companion to other (mostly OS) products & technologies (GNU/Linux, Apache, MICO (CORBA), Xerces/Xalan, Oracle) Would probably also fit into the "Industry" category besides the Business track. Ciao, J=FCrgen From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 18 22:13:07 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:13:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] plan for tomorrow In-Reply-To: <20020418191910.GE2079@trillke.net> References: <20020418190447.GA6381@vet.uu.nl> <20020418191910.GE2079@trillke.net> Message-ID: <20020418211306.GA9951@vet.uu.nl> holger@trillke.net wrote: > > Registration Fee Information (full conference) > > > > Early Bird Rate (up till sunday may 19).. 200 euro > > Regular Rate (after may 19).............. 250 euro > > Student Rate............................. 100 euro > > these are good fees in comparison to other similar events. > Might i still ask if free developers not currently working > for money but for the advancement of free software can > participate in the student rate? I know this is somewhat > fuzzy to define but it probably boils down to judging a few > cases. Most people will not care, i guess. That would be great! Hmm.. speakers will enter free, is the goal, so if those developers have something interesting to talk about, they will enter by deduced rates. Verifying whether someone's a 'free developer' in your definition would be very tricky to do, and we'd have to be careful not to give the impression of favoritism. Overall I'm inclined not to do that, but then I am making money. (so far! :) Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 18 22:30:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:30:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the program References: Message-ID: <3CBF3B0B.E5650563@lemburg.com> Juergen Hermann wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:12:27 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > >Confirmed speakers and abstracts are available in the wiki > >for the web services and business track. Note that April 30th > >is the current deadline, but the tracks are pretty much > >organized already (even though a few abstracts are > >missing). > > Where is the biggest need, as you mentioned, the biz & webservices > track are pretty filled up. > > A talk about MoinMoin would concentrate on these topics: > * modularization and plugin architecture (I have several reports of > people that extending moin is easy because you can concentrate on small > parts of the system) > * lessons learned while extending from a 600 line CGI script to > today's 19000 lines > * using python scripts for configuration > > It doesn't really fit anywhere, since while moin would fit in the web > services track as a type of software, the above topics don't. > > The other talk would go into these topics: > * Python in hi-load environments (~400 linux servers, 600+ million > page hits a month, ~10 million registered users) > * Python as the ideal companion to other (mostly OS) products & > technologies (GNU/Linux, Apache, MICO (CORBA), Xerces/Xalan, Oracle) > > Would probably also fit into the "Industry" category besides the > Business track. I think these subjects would better into the general Python track. Web Services will be focussed on things like XML-RPC, SOAP, etc. and the business talks are more about the business view of things than the technical domain. I think both talk proposal would make great additions to the conference, though, so I'd suggest to contact the appropriate track chairmen for the generic Python track. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From andy@reportlab.com Thu Apr 18 22:47:32 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:47:32 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] plan for tomorrow In-Reply-To: <20020418211306.GA9951@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: > Hmm.. speakers will enter free, is the goal, so if those developers > have something interesting to talk about, they will enter by deduced > rates. I agree. Anyone can get in free if they do a little work (give a talk). Don't do anything to reduce your income unless/until you clearly have a surplus :-) - Andy Robinson From holger@trillke.net Thu Apr 18 23:01:44 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:01:44 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] plan for tomorrow In-Reply-To: <20020418211306.GA9951@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020418190447.GA6381@vet.uu.nl> <20020418191910.GE2079@trillke.net> <20020418211306.GA9951@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020418220144.GF2079@trillke.net> > holger@trillke.net wrote: > > > Registration Fee Information (full conference) > > > > > > Early Bird Rate (up till sunday may 19).. 200 euro > > > Regular Rate (after may 19).............. 250 euro > > > Student Rate............................. 100 euro > > > > these are good fees in comparison to other similar events. > > Might i still ask if free developers not currently working > > for money but for the advancement of free software can > > participate in the student rate? I know this is somewhat > > fuzzy to define but it probably boils down to judging a few > > cases. Most people will not care, i guess. That would be great! > > Hmm.. speakers will enter free, is the goal, so if those developers > have something interesting to talk about, they will enter by deduced > rates. right except that everything seems to be layed out already :-) > Verifying whether someone's a 'free developer' in your definition would > be very tricky to do, and we'd have to be careful not to give the > impression of favoritism. i know that theoretically it's a hard problem. And i am certainly not requesting or pressuring for it. When i was in the board of the german students union our conferences offered the possibility of a lower fee if one could not afford regular fees. this was very seldomly abused. The rationale was that these people would otherwise not come (and not pay anything). Of course if too many people only pay the lower fee we might have changed this. but it never happenend. > Overall I'm inclined not to do that, but then > I am making money. (so far! :) :-) holger From Juergen Hermann" Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:30:51 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >I think these subjects would better into the general Python >track. Hmmm, "The general Python track". Where is that? ;) Don't see anything on http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks Ciao, J=FCrgen From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Thu Apr 18 23:24:37 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:24:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Web update Message-ID: <004501c1e727$d45278c0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> I've updated the 'Location' page and added a 'Travel' page. In case you have some suggestions as improvement, corrections, let me know! Thanks, Tom. From Juergen Hermann" Hi! The URLs on http://europython.zope.nl/accommodation are not clickable, we should change that. Ciao, J=FCrgen From andy@reportlab.com Fri Apr 19 07:35:29 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:35:29 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Is the graphics track dead? Message-ID: I'd really like to give an overview of Reportlab's software, similar to the one done at the ACCU; and if possible a full tutorial on how to use it. Is there a wiki page or an "track page" for the tutorials day and proposed talks? I can't find it. What tutorials do we have already? Who is tutorials coordinator? Shall I make a page for them? Thanks, Andy Robinson From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 19 08:58:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:58:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the program References: Message-ID: <3CBFCE3B.8B74DAF3@lemburg.com> Juergen Hermann wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:30:51 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > >I think these subjects would better into the general Python > >track. > > Hmmm, "The general Python track". Where is that? ;) > > Don't see anything on > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks It's called "Python and Jython" in the wiki. However, there don't seem to be any track chairmen running the track so far... that's got to change ASAP. Perhaps you want to take on that role ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 19 09:00:16 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:00:16 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Web update References: <004501c1e727$d45278c0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CBFCE90.5D1A1232@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > I've updated the 'Location' page and added a 'Travel' page. > In case you have some suggestions as improvement, corrections, let me know! The accomodation link still points to an empty page. I think you ought to at least mention the hotel Denis arranged for us, plus maybe the Formule 1 and other possibilities. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 19 09:02:52 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:02:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Is the graphics track dead? References: Message-ID: <3CBFCF2C.3304AF30@lemburg.com> Andy Robinson wrote: > > I'd really like to give an overview of Reportlab's > software, similar to the one done at the ACCU; and > if possible a full tutorial on how to use it. > > Is there a wiki page or an "track page" for the tutorials > day and proposed talks? I can't find it. What > tutorials do we have already? Who is tutorials > coordinator? Shall I make a page for them? Perhaps you want to play track chairman for one of those ?! We need some more chairmen desperately. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de Fri Apr 19 13:56:29 2002 From: jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de (Janko Hauser) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:56:29 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject) Message-ID: <20020419145629.2bdf14bf.jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de> Reminded by a mail from Paul Everitt I looked at the EuroZope Wiki. Is the paper submission deadline date already over? Was there a public announcement? I see there is a group working on this? __Janko -- i.A. Dr. Janko Hauser Software Engineering c o m . u n i t G m b H online-schmiede seit 1994 http://www.comunit.de/ mailto:jh@comunit.de Eiffestr. 598 20537 Hamburg | Germany Fon 040 | 21 11 05 25 Fax 040 | 21 11 05 26 From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 19 14:03:23 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:03:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject) References: <20020419145629.2bdf14bf.jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de> Message-ID: <3CC0159B.931D9A72@lemburg.com> Janko Hauser wrote: > > Reminded by a mail from Paul Everitt I looked at the EuroZope Wiki. Is > the paper submission deadline date already over? Was there a public > announcement? I see there is a group working on this? There's no official deadline for the conference as a whole, but there are some tracks which do have a deadline on April 30th. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From burt@dfki.de Fri Apr 19 14:14:59 2002 From: burt@dfki.de (Alastair Burt) Date: 19 Apr 2002 15:14:59 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3CC0159B.931D9A72@lemburg.com> References: <20020419145629.2bdf14bf.jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de> <3CC0159B.931D9A72@lemburg.com> Message-ID: "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > Janko Hauser wrote: > > > > Reminded by a mail from Paul Everitt I looked at the EuroZope Wiki. Is > > the paper submission deadline date already over? Was there a public > > announcement? I see there is a group working on this? > > There's no official deadline for the conference as a whole, > but there are some tracks which do have a deadline on April 30th. Is there a call for papers anywhere? --- Alastair From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 19 14:29:41 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:29:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject) References: <20020419145629.2bdf14bf.jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de> <3CC0159B.931D9A72@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CC01BC5.DBCD1E48@lemburg.com> Alastair Burt wrote: > > "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > > > Janko Hauser wrote: > > > > > > Reminded by a mail from Paul Everitt I looked at the EuroZope Wiki. Is > > > the paper submission deadline date already over? Was there a public > > > announcement? I see there is a group working on this? > > > > There's no official deadline for the conference as a whole, > > but there are some tracks which do have a deadline on April 30th. > > Is there a call for papers anywhere? Somewhere in the wiki, I guess. It's basically for the track chairmen to decide how to run the call for papers. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From paul@zope.com Fri Apr 19 15:51:10 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: 19 Apr 2002 10:51:10 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3CC01BC5.DBCD1E48@lemburg.com> References: <20020419145629.2bdf14bf.jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de> <3CC0159B.931D9A72@lemburg.com> <3CC01BC5.DBCD1E48@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <1019227871.5199.26.camel@socrates.zope.com> BTW, if any of the track chairs could use some help on some tasks, let me know. I'll try to pitch in where helpful. --Paul On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 09:29, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Alastair Burt wrote: > > > > "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > > > > > Janko Hauser wrote: > > > > > > > > Reminded by a mail from Paul Everitt I looked at the EuroZope Wiki. Is > > > > the paper submission deadline date already over? Was there a public > > > > announcement? I see there is a group working on this? > > > > > > There's no official deadline for the conference as a whole, > > > but there are some tracks which do have a deadline on April 30th. > > > > Is there a call for papers anywhere? > > Somewhere in the wiki, I guess. It's basically for the track > chairmen to decide how to run the call for papers. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <018401c1e7b6$922fe100$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi Paul, Thanks for looking at the EuroPython wiki :-) Unfortunately, my experience with Zope 3 only goes to the talks given on the Berlin BBQ 2001 & 2002, so I'm not able to give a talk. :-) But we welcome anybody willing to give a Zope3 talk! We even thought on having a Zope 3 sprint around the period EuroPython, we've a room which could be used just for that (more information can be given by Denis). There are however some problems... Having a sprint just before the congress, would make it probably difficult for the organisers, ie we've to organise everything and in the meantime having a sprint is perhaps something too much? Having a sprint after the congress, will make it perhaps even more difficult since than the summer vacation starts and lot's of people will go on vacation (I at least :-)). But, we're not out of it yet. Perhaps a sprint will be possible, but at the moment we're not sure. Denis, Godefroid, ... something to add? Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Everitt" To: "Zope 3 Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: [Zope3-dev] DISCUSS: Zope 3 and the EuroPython conference > > Howdy all. The EuroPython conference is in Charelroi, Belgium June 26-28: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceInformationRelease > > I was looking at the list of proposed talks and events and noticed a > lack of Zope 3. Some questions: > > 1) Who on this list that is actively working with Zope 3 is planning on > going to the conference? > > 2) Who would like to give a presentation? > > 3) Should we do a sprint (or more than one sprint)? > > --Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > Zope3-dev mailing list > Zope3-dev@zope.org > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-dev From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 19 22:34:00 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:34:00 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] plan for tomorrow In-Reply-To: <3CBF299B.8CE75C00@lemburg.com> References: <20020418190447.GA6381@vet.uu.nl> <3CBF299B.8CE75C00@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020419213400.GA13839@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > Registration Fee Information (full conference) > > > > Early Bird Rate (up till sunday may 19).. 200 euro > > Regular Rate (after may 19).............. 250 euro > > Student Rate............................. 100 euro > > These are full conference rates, right ? Will we also > offer per-day rates ? Correct. I was leaving out the per-day rates for simplicity. We could put them in, but since the third day is only a half-day, it becomes rather complicated. Perhaps easiest would be to not have per-day rates at all, if nobody objects too much. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 19 22:37:46 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:37:46 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the program In-Reply-To: <3CBF28AB.A2D82583@lemburg.com> References: <20020418190755.GB6381@vet.uu.nl> <3CBF28AB.A2D82583@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020419213746.GB13839@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Confirmed speakers and abstracts are available in the wiki > for the web services and business track. I misread this I think; I thought you meant the tracks were already fully confirmed (or almost so), but this is the start of the process, not an announcement of the end, right? > Note that April 30th > is the current deadline, but the tracks are pretty much > organized already (even though a few abstracts are > missing). Is this deadline for these tracks, or for all tracks? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 19 22:41:33 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:41:33 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the program In-Reply-To: <3CBFCE3B.8B74DAF3@lemburg.com> References: <3CBFCE3B.8B74DAF3@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020419214133.GC13839@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > It's called "Python and Jython" in the wiki. However, there > don't seem to be any track chairmen running the track so > far... that's got to change ASAP. Perhaps you want to take > on that role ? I'll be helping out with this by the way. I'll be mailing some of the people who previously asked to do a talk. Are you or Laura contacting Eric Raymond, by the way? He may have something interesting for the business track. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 19 22:44:40 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:44:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Is the graphics track dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020419214440.GD13839@vet.uu.nl> Andy Robinson wrote: > I'd really like to give an overview of Reportlab's > software, similar to the one done at the ACCU; and > if possible a full tutorial on how to use it. > > Is there a wiki page or an "track page" for the tutorials > day and proposed talks? I can't find it. What > tutorials do we have already? Who is tutorials > coordinator? Shall I make a page for them? Please be the tutorials coordinator and make a page; I don't think anyone is doing this yet. By the way, I still don't want a full day dedicated to tutorials only, as indicated on the conference time table now. I think it'd be better to have 2.5 conference days, and hold tutorials in parallel with some of the talks. This gives us a lot more space for actual talks, which I think we will need. I think we may need some kind of Python Applications 'track' that can also have a talk about reportlab. This as opposed to the Python 'hackers' track which will go more into technical detail on python itself; I think we can get some interesting speakers there. I'd like to be somewhat vague on these tracks before we see what speakers and talks we'll really have, though. It may all end up being a single track. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 19 22:46:24 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:46:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1019227871.5199.26.camel@socrates.zope.com> References: <20020419145629.2bdf14bf.jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de> <3CC0159B.931D9A72@lemburg.com> <3CC01BC5.DBCD1E48@lemburg.com> <1019227871.5199.26.camel@socrates.zope.com> Message-ID: <20020419214624.GE13839@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > BTW, if any of the track chairs could use some help on some tasks, let > me know. I'll try to pitch in where helpful. Please pitch in on the Zope track if at all possible! :) Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 19 23:08:48 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:08:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] people I've sent mail Message-ID: <20020419220848.GF13839@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I've mailed the following people to ask for confirmation on their talks, and a brief abstract: Moshe Zadka (moshez@twistedmatrix.com) Talk on Twisted Python Finn Bock & Samuele Pedroni (bckfnn@worldonline.dk, pedronis@bluewin.ch) Talk and/or tutorial on Jython Christian Tismer (tismer@tismer.com) Talk about stackless. Alex Martelli (aleax@aleax.it) As of yet unspecified talk. I haven't contacted these people yet, for various reasons: Martijn Faassen For obvious reasons. Well, I have contacted myself, but not by email.. Also I'll likely be speaking on the Zope track. Juergen Hermann Active on the mailing list. Juergen, if you see this, please contact me with an abstract and confirmation. :) People from Logilab: Active on the mailing list, whole bunch of possible talks. Please mail me with details. Alastair Burt: Talk about ASWAD. I think this is either the Zope or business track? It's in public administration, so I don't know.. Andrew Smart: Marc Andre Lemburg: Organizing the tracks so they're okay. :) Nuxeo: This looks like something for the Zope track. Andy Robinson: I hope he'll help organize the tutorials. :) Paul Everitt: I hope he'll help organize the zope track. :) If these people don't mail me I'll be sending out mail to them after all, of course. This page is also in the wiki now: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/TalkConfirmations Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 19 23:10:16 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:10:16 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] registration Message-ID: <20020419221016.GG13839@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I'm unclear what the latest status of registration payment is. If we're going to put up (pre)registration, it'd be best if those who register either pay or indicate at least some payment option. For that we need to know what this is. Anyone up to speed on this? I know Tom did some research before on what payment provider to use.. Regards, Martijn From paul@zope.com Sat Apr 20 03:10:22 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:10:22 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject) References: <20020419145629.2bdf14bf.jhauser@ifm.uni-kiel.de> <3CC0159B.931D9A72@lemburg.com> <3CC01BC5.DBCD1E48@lemburg.com> <1019227871.5199.26.camel@socrates.zope.com> <20020419214624.GE13839@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC0CE0E.4050505@zope.com> Sure, I'll contact the track chairs. --Paul Martijn Faassen wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: > >>BTW, if any of the track chairs could use some help on some tasks, let >>me know. I'll try to pitch in where helpful. > > > Please pitch in on the Zope track if at all possible! :) > > Regards, > > Martijn > From andy@reportlab.com Sat Apr 20 08:52:45 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:52:45 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Is the graphics track dead? In-Reply-To: <20020419214440.GD13839@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: > Please be the tutorials coordinator and make a page; I don't think > anyone is doing this yet. > > By the way, I still don't want a full day dedicated to tutorials > only, as indicated on the conference time table now. I think it'd > be better > to have 2.5 conference days, and hold tutorials in parallel with some of > the talks. This gives us a lot more space for actual talks, which > I think we will need. > > I think we may need some kind of Python Applications 'track' that can > also have a talk about reportlab. This as opposed to the Python 'hackers' > track which will go more into technical detail on python itself; I think > we can get some interesting speakers there. Agree 100% on all points. I just (after a battle, I don't know Wikis) set up the track page. I have some clear ideas but the wife and kids jut woke up so I'll post more after the weekend :-( - Andy From mal@lemburg.com Sat Apr 20 09:55:21 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:55:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the program References: <20020418190755.GB6381@vet.uu.nl> <3CBF28AB.A2D82583@lemburg.com> <20020419213746.GB13839@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC12CF9.C8EF0C80@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > Confirmed speakers and abstracts are available in the wiki > > for the web services and business track. > > I misread this I think; I thought you meant the tracks were already fully > confirmed (or almost so), but this is the start of the process, not > an announcement of the end, right? The final decision on which talks to take will be made after April 30th. So far, it looks like all proposed talks will get accepted. > > Note that April 30th > > is the current deadline, but the tracks are pretty much > > organized already (even though a few abstracts are > > missing). > > Is this deadline for these tracks, or for all tracks? That's the deadline for the tracks which Tim and I organize: the web service and business tracks. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Sat Apr 20 09:58:25 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:58:25 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the program References: <3CBFCE3B.8B74DAF3@lemburg.com> <20020419214133.GC13839@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC12DB1.1C2D3B9A@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > It's called "Python and Jython" in the wiki. However, there > > don't seem to be any track chairmen running the track so > > far... that's got to change ASAP. Perhaps you want to take > > on that role ? > > I'll be helping out with this by the way. I'll be mailing some of the > people who previously asked to do a talk. > > Are you or Laura contacting Eric Raymond, by the way? He may have > something interesting for the business track. I think Laura is in contact with him. We don't have room in the business track for another talk, so we haven't approached Eric for a talk -- can't put all the talks into the business tracks :-) (unless maybe we make it a full day track, but that would have to be decided on really soon) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Sat Apr 20 10:01:37 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:01:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] registration References: <20020419221016.GG13839@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC12E71.9987F871@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Hi there, > > I'm unclear what the latest status of registration payment is. If we're > going to put up (pre)registration, it'd be best if those who register > either pay or indicate at least some payment option. For that we need > to know what this is. Anyone up to speed on this? I know Tom did some > research before on what payment provider to use.. I'd still suggest to use ShareIT as payment provider. They're cheap and reliable (and they're located in Cologne, Germany, unlike most other provides which only have offices in the US). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Sat Apr 20 11:50:59 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:50:59 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Web update References: <004501c1e727$d45278c0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CBFCE90.5D1A1232@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <005f01c1e859$d9be5f30$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Weird.... Are you sure about this? Which browser do you use? On which platform? The accommodation is on the web for several weeks now... The hotels are put in an xml file and the page is build with the help of this xml file and css.... Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Web update > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > I've updated the 'Location' page and added a 'Travel' page. > > In case you have some suggestions as improvement, corrections, let me know! > > The accomodation link still points to an empty page. I think > you ought to at least mention the hotel Denis arranged for > us, plus maybe the Formule 1 and other possibilities. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Sat Apr 20 11:57:15 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:57:15 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] registration References: <20020419221016.GG13839@vet.uu.nl> <3CC12E71.9987F871@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <006001c1e85a$2d2f4da0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> I think I'm missing some emails, the aragne server is down and all the mails send to tom@aragne.com didn't arrive. Yes, I did some research and ShareIt was the cheapest (however, they are still expensive for the things we need), but..... We've another possebility which is even cheaper. Last year, we made an e-commerce site (www.primeuser.com) in zope. We've contact with these people and perhaps we can have everything even cheaper. Ie if we create a special page with the products we offer. But Denis was going to contact these people, I don't know if he did already. Denis? Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Martijn Faassen" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] registration > Martijn Faassen wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > I'm unclear what the latest status of registration payment is. If we're > > going to put up (pre)registration, it'd be best if those who register > > either pay or indicate at least some payment option. For that we need > > to know what this is. Anyone up to speed on this? I know Tom did some > > research before on what payment provider to use.. > > I'd still suggest to use ShareIT as payment provider. They're > cheap and reliable (and they're located in Cologne, Germany, > unlike most other provides which only have offices in the US). > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Sat Apr 20 12:17:40 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:17:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Web update References: <004501c1e727$d45278c0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CBFCE90.5D1A1232@lemburg.com> <005f01c1e859$d9be5f30$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC14E54.45D2FB47@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Weird.... > Are you sure about this? Which browser do you use? On which platform? > The accommodation is on the web for several weeks now... > The hotels are put in an xml file and the page is build with the help of > this xml file and css.... That's probably the problem: Netscape doesn't show the XML data, so you get an empty page. Wouldn't it be more user-friendly to have the XML processing done server-side, so that non-XML aware browser can also find the data ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Sat Apr 20 12:21:02 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:21:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] registration References: <20020419221016.GG13839@vet.uu.nl> <3CC12E71.9987F871@lemburg.com> <006001c1e85a$2d2f4da0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC14F1E.ECA788B6@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > I think I'm missing some emails, the aragne server is down and all the mails > send to tom@aragne.com didn't arrive. That's seriously bad: Denis is probably not getting any emails because of this... any other email address we could use to reach him ? > Yes, I did some research and ShareIt was the cheapest (however, they are > still expensive for the things we need), but..... > We've another possebility which is even cheaper. Last year, we made an > e-commerce site (www.primeuser.com) in zope. > We've contact with these people and perhaps we can have everything even > cheaper. Ie if we create a special page with the products we offer. > But Denis was going to contact these people, I don't know if he did already. > Denis? Fine with me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M.-A. Lemburg" > To: "Martijn Faassen" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] registration > > > Martijn Faassen wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I'm unclear what the latest status of registration payment is. If we're > > > going to put up (pre)registration, it'd be best if those who register > > > either pay or indicate at least some payment option. For that we need > > > to know what this is. Anyone up to speed on this? I know Tom did some > > > research before on what payment provider to use.. > > > > I'd still suggest to use ShareIT as payment provider. They're > > cheap and reliable (and they're located in Cologne, Germany, > > unlike most other provides which only have offices in the US). > > > > -- > > Marc-Andre Lemburg > > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" urgh, I removed the xml thingies from the accomodation page for now and added all data by hand (wel not exactly, but don't look at the source of the page, it sucks), but it will do for now. When there is an XML product installed on the zope server, we can make it nicer again. Bottom line: hotels/campings should be available now Regards, tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sat Apr 20 14:16:20 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:16:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Accommodation References: <006f01c1e86c$b8d31dc0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC16A24.A749A340@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > urgh, > > I removed the xml thingies from the accomodation page for now and added all > data by hand (wel not exactly, but don't look at the source of the page, it > sucks), but it will do for now. When there is an XML product installed on > the zope server, we can make it nicer again. > > Bottom line: hotels/campings should be available now Cool. Thanks ! -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Juergen Hermann" Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:10:17 +0200, Tom Deprez wrote: >Bottom line: hotels/campings should be available now Where will most people stay? I decided on the Socatel so far. Also, since the prices on the accomodation page are lower than tzhose on the hotel web pages, I guess we have to mention the conference with our reservation, right? Ciao, J=FCrgen From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sun Apr 21 20:00:53 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:00:53 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? Message-ID: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> Hey, So is everybody okay with the entrance fees? A summary: This is a two and a half day conference, possibly with some surrounding events. Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro Students : 100 euro Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the conference themselves. Agreed? If we are, then I'll ask Tom to go ahead and put it online. Speakers get in fee. We don't have any fee for single days only to avoid complexity; you pay for the whole conference. We also need to flesh out a fee for exhibitors. What about any sponsorship? Regards, Martijn From holger@trillke.net Sun Apr 21 20:25:10 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:25:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? In-Reply-To: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020421192510.GB18102@trillke.net> > So is everybody okay with the entrance fees? A summary: > > This is a two and a half day conference, possibly with some surrounding > events. > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > Students : 100 euro i am ok with that, although i know one or two people who might not come, but we'll see. > We also need to flesh out a fee for exhibitors. What about any sponsorship? how much money would you estimate to be missing (costs-expected_fees)? if i dare ask :-) holger From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00d901c1e975$9bace7d0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> Hi Martijn, > So is everybody okay with the entrance fees? A summary: > > This is a two and a half day conference, possibly with some surrounding > events. > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > Students : 100 euro > > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > conference themselves. > > Agreed? If we are, then I'll ask Tom to go ahead and put it online. > > Speakers get in fee. >We don't have any fee for single days only to avoid complexity; you pay for the whole conference. We can still allow people to come for one day (like we discussed earlier). If you only come for one day (wednesday, thursday), you pay 150 Euros. However, if we allow it, this will make it more difficult for checking entrances etc. > We also need to flesh out a fee for exhibitors. What about any sponsorship? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <20020421192510.GB18102@trillke.net> Message-ID: <00de01c1e975$9e7ca9a0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> > > So is everybody okay with the entrance fees? A summary: > > > > This is a two and a half day conference, possibly with some surrounding > > events. > > > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > > Students : 100 euro > > i am ok with that, although i know one or two people > who might not come, but we'll see. Because, the entrance fee is too high? > > We also need to flesh out a fee for exhibitors. What about any sponsorship? > > how much money would you estimate to be missing (costs-expected_fees)? > if i dare ask :-) All depends of course on how many people will come and how much percent of the speakers they make up. > holger > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From paul@zope.com Sun Apr 21 22:12:06 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:12:06 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? References: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC32B26.8060808@zope.com> I like the basic structure of this, and I like Tom's followon suggestion to permit a one-day entrance. Note that there should be little attempt to enforce the one-day entrance; it is more trouble than it is worth. The honor system is good enough. I'd like to ask a different kind of question: what do we think it costs to have the two hundred and first person, vs. the two hundredth person? --Paul Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hey, > > So is everybody okay with the entrance fees? A summary: > > This is a two and a half day conference, possibly with some surrounding > events. > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > Students : 100 euro > > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > conference themselves. > > Agreed? If we are, then I'll ask Tom to go ahead and put it online. > > Speakers get in fee. We don't have any fee for single days only to avoid > complexity; you pay for the whole conference. > > We also need to flesh out a fee for exhibitors. What about any sponsorship? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Ok, I've combined all possible talks on the different wiki pages into one. Let's keep all our track information into that one. http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ZopeTrack There are now 2 different topics (Proposals and Confirmed). In confirmed we place the people who actually confirmed to come to EuroPython and give a talk. Regards, Tom. From marc@msys.ch Sun Apr 21 22:24:14 2002 From: marc@msys.ch (Marc Balmer) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:24:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? In-Reply-To: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20F30AA4-556E-11D6-8F36-003065F9345A@msys.ch> > > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > conference themselves. Why 25 euro more than the regular fee? We can be happy if people show up at the conference without prior announcement. There should not be a penalty for those. - Marc -- Marc Balmer, Micro Systems, Kannenfeldstrasse 32, CH-4056 Basel Tel +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12, http://www.msys.ch/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <016a01c1e97c$730ad1f0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> > > > > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > > conference themselves. > > Why 25 euro more than the regular fee? We can be happy if people > show up at the conference without prior announcement. There should > not be a penalty for those. The only benefit I see for having a 25+ is just to avoid having lots of people who will arrive at the conference prior announcement. The less people doing this the less administrative, etc problems. But I don't know if 25+ will make that much of a difference. I think we must be happy that they are willing to come. > - Marc > > -- > Marc Balmer, Micro Systems, Kannenfeldstrasse 32, CH-4056 Basel > Tel +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12, http://www.msys.ch/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Sun Apr 21 22:36:18 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:36:18 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] First page Message-ID: <018d01c1e97c$a653f0a0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> Ok, We want to change the home page of EuroPython.org.... Somebody ideas on the content? Perhaps we could put some names on it who will come and give a speak.... Do we already have some confirmations? Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <016a01c1e97c$730ad1f0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <019401c1e97c$ea491880$758c84d5@skullsplitter> > > > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > > > conference themselves. > > > > Why 25 euro more than the regular fee? We can be happy if people > > show up at the conference without prior announcement. There should > > not be a penalty for those. > > The only benefit I see for having a 25+ is just to avoid having lots of > people who will arrive at the conference prior announcement. > The less people doing this the less administrative, etc problems. But I > don't know if 25+ will make that much of a difference. > I think we must be happy that they are willing to come. I meant 'problems' at the entrance of the conference and this with all people wanting to attend eg the first talk, but not able to because of long rows of people waiting to pay etc. > > - Marc > > > > -- > > Marc Balmer, Micro Systems, Kannenfeldstrasse 32, CH-4056 Basel > > Tel +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12, http://www.msys.ch/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From holger@trillke.net Sun Apr 21 22:36:28 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:36:28 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? In-Reply-To: <3CC32B26.8060808@zope.com> References: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> <3CC32B26.8060808@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020421213628.GF18102@trillke.net> On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 05:12:06PM -0400, Paul Everitt wrote: > I like the basic structure of this, and I like Tom's followon suggestion > to permit a one-day entrance. Note that there should be little attempt > to enforce the one-day entrance; it is more trouble than it is worth. just a side note, not meant as big criticism: the basic structure is a bit too much commercially oriented for my current taste. I came in too late to know how the idea evolved, though. Holger From mal@lemburg.com Sun Apr 21 23:06:37 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:06:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? References: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC337ED.C4885F6A@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Hey, > > So is everybody okay with the entrance fees? A summary: > > This is a two and a half day conference, possibly with some surrounding > events. > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > Students : 100 euro +1 > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > conference themselves. +1 > Agreed? If we are, then I'll ask Tom to go ahead and put it online. Great, thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Sun Apr 21 23:10:58 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:10:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? References: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> <3CC32B26.8060808@zope.com> <20020421213628.GF18102@trillke.net> Message-ID: <01a801c1e981$6c4811c0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> Hi Holger, > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 05:12:06PM -0400, Paul Everitt wrote: > > I like the basic structure of this, and I like Tom's followon suggestion > > to permit a one-day entrance. Note that there should be little attempt > > to enforce the one-day entrance; it is more trouble than it is worth. > > just a side note, not meant as big criticism: the basic structure > is a bit too much commercially oriented for my current taste. > I came in too late to know how the idea evolved, though. What do you mean with too commercially? We're just trying to do the opposite. At the moment, we've to pay the conference building. The city house at Chareleroi, who first promised to give the building for free, took it back and is now discussing again if they want to help or not. So, at the moment, we've to take into account to pay for the conference building in total, that's why we ask fees. I'm not quiet following where you see use setting up a commercial conference. Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sun Apr 21 23:09:21 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:09:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? References: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> <3CC32B26.8060808@zope.com> <20020421213628.GF18102@trillke.net> Message-ID: <3CC33891.8F107744@lemburg.com> holger@trillke.net wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 05:12:06PM -0400, Paul Everitt wrote: > > I like the basic structure of this, and I like Tom's followon suggestion > > to permit a one-day entrance. Note that there should be little attempt > > to enforce the one-day entrance; it is more trouble than it is worth. > > just a side note, not meant as big criticism: the basic structure > is a bit too much commercially oriented for my current taste. That's a good sign, IMHO :-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sun Apr 21 23:11:49 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:11:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] First page In-Reply-To: <018d01c1e97c$a653f0a0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <018d01c1e97c$a653f0a0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020421221149.GA20485@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > We want to change the home page of EuroPython.org.... > Somebody ideas on the content? > > Perhaps we could put some names on it who will come and give a speak.... > Do we already have some confirmations? Can we do some weblog/news type structure, where we have new news items at the top? It doesn't need to be sophisticated in its implementation. If so, we could roll over confirmed speakers as they come in. That said, this is only possible if we agree that the track chairs determine who is a confirmed speaker. Another possibility would be to first figure out all the speakers and pick and select, and then only announce who is in the final program. That may be a more fair procedure as we'll give everybody a more fair chance. (and after all, speakers get in free..) What do you all think? Regards, Martijn From denis@aragne.com Mon Apr 22 02:01:23 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:01:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] EML on Zope track ? Message-ID: <20020422030122.C32053@carolo.net> Hi, Zope track champions (and others), Last thirsday, we got a visit of Georg Pleger who will present himself better than I could do it. He's working on a Zope project related to education together with the Open University of the Netherlands, the UIAH Media Lab at the University of Art and Design in Helsinki and the Centre for Research in Networked Learning and Knowledge Building at the University of Helsinki. For some info on EML, have a look at http://eml.ou.nl/introduction/explanation.htm It seems quite interresting so I asked him to join the mailing list and to propose himself for a talk. Now that he's been introduced, I'm sure Georg will answer to all your questions. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Mon Apr 22 02:50:25 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:50:25 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] DEXIA Bank sponsors EuroPython 2002 Message-ID: <20020422035025.H32053@carolo.net> Dexia Bank will sponsor our conference as a Golden Sponsor, i.e. 2,000 EUR. Anyone else interrested on the list ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Mon Apr 22 02:58:39 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:58:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Accommodation In-Reply-To: References: <006f01c1e86c$b8d31dc0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020422035839.I32053@carolo.net> Le Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 04:30:25PM +0200, Juergen Hermann pianota: > > Where will most people stay? I decided on the Socatel so far. > > Also, since the prices on the accomodation page are lower than tzhose > on the hotel web pages, I guess we have to mention the conference with > our reservation, right? Up to now, the only hotel having confirmed reductions is the Business Hotel (80 --> 66 EUR). We'll ask to meet the Socatel Hotel manager too. (Business Hotel and Socatel are in the same group). It will be possible to have lower cost rooms in a sport center. But for this, we'll have to manage the reservation ourselves. Who would be interested in this kind of cheap accommodation ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Mon Apr 22 03:08:43 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:08:43 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? In-Reply-To: <01a801c1e981$6c4811c0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> <3CC32B26.8060808@zope.com> <20020421213628.GF18102@trillke.net> <01a801c1e981$6c4811c0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020422040843.J32053@carolo.net> Le Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:10:58AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > What do you mean with too commercially? We're just trying to do the > opposite. Right. We want to keep the entrance fee as low as possible, we just want to be sure to cover the expenses. If more people are showing up than we may think through our web 'intent to come' survey, or if we get more sponsors, the fee could perhaps be reduced or you would get more for the same price. But so many things are still uncertain ... Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Mon Apr 22 03:12:51 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:12:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] registration In-Reply-To: <006001c1e85a$2d2f4da0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <20020419221016.GG13839@vet.uu.nl> <3CC12E71.9987F871@lemburg.com> <006001c1e85a$2d2f4da0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020422041251.K32053@carolo.net> Le Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 12:57:15PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > I think I'm missing some emails, the aragne server is down and all the mails > send to tom@aragne.com didn't arrive. The DNS was down (automatic renewal with our registrar didn't work while we were in Berlin). Got all the mails together when this was fixed. Answers this week. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mwh@python.net Mon Apr 22 10:25:54 2002 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: 22 Apr 2002 10:25:54 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] so entrance fees okay? In-Reply-To: Martijn Faassen's message of "Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:00:53 +0200" References: <20020421190052.GA19996@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <2madrwt78d.fsf@starship.python.net> Martijn Faassen writes: > Hey, > > So is everybody okay with the entrance fees? A summary: > > This is a two and a half day conference, possibly with some surrounding > events. > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > Students : 100 euro > > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > conference themselves. > > Agreed? If we are, then I'll ask Tom to go ahead and put it online. Where do I sign? :) Cheers, M. From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Mon Apr 22 22:17:20 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:17:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration for press Message-ID: <005e01c1ea43$5ed0dfa0$298d84d5@skullsplitter> Hi, I just received a mail of a magazine wanting to register a person for the press. They will write an article of the conference on the august magazine. So, this is also something we have to think about. ie. allow people of the press entering the conference. I've added a page to the wiki http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressPeople Regards, Tom From paul@zope.com Mon Apr 22 22:33:22 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:33:22 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration for press References: <005e01c1ea43$5ed0dfa0$298d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC481A2.8080608@zope.com> Hmmm, cool! Does anybody have a good press list? We should be contacting some of the ones most likely to attend on short notice. I can help send out the emails. --Paul Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi, > > I just received a mail of a magazine wanting to register a person for the > press. They will write an article of the conference on the august magazine. > So, this is also something we have to think about. > ie. allow people of the press entering the conference. I've added a page to > the wiki http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressPeople > > Regards, Tom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mvm@brutele.be Tue Apr 23 15:52:43 2002 From: mvm@brutele.be (Vincent) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:52:43 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press Message-ID: <001e01c1ead6$872bcc60$bbff44d4@gfx1> C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1EAE7.499856F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today, I post an e-mail to the press (in france) "Cr=E9ation = Num=E9rique" and "Pixel",=20 immediatly the magazine "Cr=E9ation Num=E9rique" annonce the "Europython = Conference 2002" on their web "site agenda" and they will annonce it on their magazine. http://www.pixelcreation.fr/services/agenda/agenda.asp?Mois=3Djuin&Sectio= n=3DJUIN&An=3D2002 PLEASE, it will be nice if you will do the same in all of your = countries, !!! 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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C1EAE7.499856F0-- From paul@zope.com Tue Apr 23 17:49:41 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:49:41 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Press References: <001e01c1ead6$872bcc60$bbff44d4@gfx1> Message-ID: <3CC590A5.3090401@zope.com> Is this the first "in the press" mention of the conference? If so, I'll=20 send a note to zope-announce and put up a news item letting people know=20 that the conference is getting mentioned. --Paul Vincent wrote: > Today, I post an e-mail to the press (in france) "Cr=E9ation Num=E9riqu= e"=20 > and "Pixel", > immediatly the magazine "Cr=E9ation Num=E9rique" annonce the "Europytho= n=20 > Conference 2002" > on their web "site agenda" and they will annonce it on their magazine. > =20 > http://www.pixelcreation.fr/services/agenda/agenda.asp?Mois=3Djuin&Sect= ion=3DJUIN&An=3D2002=20 > > =20 > PLEASE, it will be nice if you will do the same in all of your=20 > countries, !!! > =20 > See you soon, > Vincent. From paul@zope.com Tue Apr 23 18:02:27 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:02:27 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track References: <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > Ok, > > I've combined all possible talks on the different wiki pages into one. Let's > keep all our track information into that one. > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ZopeTrack > > There are now 2 different topics (Proposals and Confirmed). In confirmed we > place the people who actually confirmed to come to EuroPython and give a > talk. Let's hold off on confirmed until we (the program committee) get to review the choices. Here's a question: what's the number of available slots? I added Paolo as a possible speaker. Tom, I'd like to add headings for two more things: BOFs and the sprint(s). Is that OK? --Paul From Tom Deprez" <3CC590A5.3090401@zope.com> Message-ID: <008c01c1eaef$b56939a0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> Is this the first "in the press" mention of the conference? If so, I'll send a note to zope-announce and put up a news item letting people know that the conference is getting mentioned. Yes, Paul, please send a note to zope-announce and put a news item up Thanks, tom Vincent wrote: > Today, I post an e-mail to the press (in france) "Création Numérique" > and "Pixel", > immediatly the magazine "Création Numérique" annonce the "Europython > Conference 2002" > on their web "site agenda" and they will annonce it on their magazine. > > http://www.pixelcreation.fr/services/agenda/agenda.asp?Mois=juin&Section=JUI N&An=2002 > > > PLEASE, it will be nice if you will do the same in all of your > countries, !!! > > See you soon, > Vincent. _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> Message-ID: <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> > Tom Deprez wrote: > > Ok, > > > > I've combined all possible talks on the different wiki pages into one. Let's > > keep all our track information into that one. > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ZopeTrack > > > > There are now 2 different topics (Proposals and Confirmed). In confirmed we > > place the people who actually confirmed to come to EuroPython and give a > > talk. > > Let's hold off on confirmed until we (the program committee) get to review the choices. Correct. > Here's a question: what's the number of available slots? Well, that depends, for now if we look at the wiki, there is a Zope Track on one day. Meaning that we would have 7 speakers which have a 45minute talk. Or more speakers with less minutes talk. If we've lots of response, we can even try to set up another track at another day... (Please, correct me if I'm wrong) > I added Paolo as a possible speaker. > Tom, I'd like to add headings for two more things: BOFs and the sprint(s). Is that OK? Yes, sure go ahead! Thanks. Tom. From paul@zope.com Tue Apr 23 19:40:54 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:40:54 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track References: <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> Tom Deprez wrote: >>Here's a question: what's the number of available slots? > > > Well, that depends, for now if we look at the wiki, there is a Zope Track on > one day. Meaning that we would have 7 speakers which have a 45minute talk. > Or more speakers with less minutes talk. > If we've lots of response, we can even try to set up another track at > another day... > (Please, correct me if I'm wrong) I looked at: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTimetable It wasn't clear if the tracks all ran in parallel all the time, part of the time, etc. With 7 talks of 45 minutes each, does that give time for transitions between talks and also breaks? There's little chance of going from 900 to 1300 w/out a break. :^) >>I added Paolo as a possible speaker. >>Tom, I'd like to add headings for two more things: BOFs and the sprint(s). > > Is that OK? > > Yes, sure go ahead! Thanks. Done. --Paul From paul@zope.com Tue Apr 23 19:45:56 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:45:56 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] EML on Zope track ? References: <20020422030122.C32053@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CC5ABE4.7020407@zope.com> Hello Georg, if you have subscribed by now. I read the page and it=20 looks like a very interesting topic that we should consider for the Zope=20 track, or another track if you'd prefer. Can you send me an email describing the outline of your presentation? --Paul Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > Hi, Zope track champions (and others), >=20 > Last thirsday, we got a visit of Georg Pleger who will present himself > better than I could do it. >=20 > He's working on a Zope project related to education together with the > Open University of the Netherlands, the UIAH Media Lab at the > University of Art and Design in Helsinki and the Centre for Research in > Networked Learning and Knowledge Building at the University of Helsinki. >=20 > For some info on EML, have a look at=20 > http://eml.ou.nl/introduction/explanation.htm >=20 > It seems quite interresting so I asked him to join the mailing list and > to propose himself for a talk. >=20 > Now that he's been introduced, I'm sure Georg will answer to all your > questions. >=20 > Denis >=20 From Tom Deprez" <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> Message-ID: <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> > I looked at: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTimetable > > It wasn't clear if the tracks all ran in parallel all the time, part of the time, etc. This is an old timetable. I thought somebody changed it already, looks like not. The new ConferenceTimeTable is here: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/NewConferenceTimeTable Please give comments, if you disagree. Regards, Tom. From paul@zope.com Tue Apr 23 21:03:40 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:03:40 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track References: <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> Ahh, much better, thanks! I'd like to propose something that was considered very successful at the last Python conference: lightning talks. Basic idea: two hours or so of ten minute talks. Less formal, less preparation needed. --Paul Tom Deprez wrote: >>I looked at: >> >> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTimetable >> >>It wasn't clear if the tracks all ran in parallel all the time, part of > > the time, etc. > > This is an old timetable. I thought somebody changed it already, looks like > not. > > The new ConferenceTimeTable is here: > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/NewConferenceTimeTable > > Please give comments, if you disagree. > > Regards, Tom. > > > From Tom Deprez" <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> Message-ID: <001101c1eb05$a07bb430$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> Good idea. We can pick a session for this and just fill a session with the light talks that are available. Tom. > I'd like to propose something that was considered very successful at the > last Python conference: lightning talks. > > Basic idea: two hours or so of ten minute talks. Less formal, less > preparation needed. > --Paul > From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Apr 23 23:31:36 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:31:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press In-Reply-To: <3CC590A5.3090401@zope.com> References: <001e01c1ead6$872bcc60$bbff44d4@gfx1> <3CC590A5.3090401@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020423223135.GA25786@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > > Is this the first "in the press" mention of the conference? If so, I'll > send a note to zope-announce and put up a news item letting people know > that the conference is getting mentioned. We've done some early promotion of the conference to the press. We have a list of press contacts here: http://www.europython.org/draftwiki Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Apr 23 23:34:28 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:34:28 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track In-Reply-To: <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> References: <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020423223428.GB25786@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > > Ahh, much better, thanks! > > I'd like to propose something that was considered very successful at the > last Python conference: lightning talks. > > Basic idea: two hours or so of ten minute talks. Less formal, less > preparation needed. Yes, I think those are very cool, and I mentioned them before. We should have someone organize 'm. :) For now, if you want to hold a lightning talk, please mail me. (note though: lightning talkers don't get in free ;) Regards, Martijn From srichter@cbu.edu Wed Apr 24 06:02:30 2002 From: srichter@cbu.edu (Stephan Richter) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:02:30 -0500 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track In-Reply-To: <20020423223428.GB25786@vet.uu.nl> References: <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423232318.028c7030@mercury-1.cbu.edu> BTW, I can give a talk about Zope 3. I have to prepare one for the UK UUG meeting anyways. Let me know. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Wed Apr 24 07:44:18 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:44:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Graphics/SVG demo planned Message-ID: <1019630658.3cc654427f764@webmail.in-berlin.de> Hi, I'd be glad to give some presentation or tutorial about the ReportLab Graphics package RLG and the upcoming SVG support for it. Is there any "authority" to register or apply for doing so? BTW, you can check out an online demo of an experimental tool named svg2pdf here: http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/svg2pdf.html Regards, Dinu From gotcha@swing.be Wed Apr 24 08:50:05 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:50:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track In-Reply-To: <001101c1eb05$a07bb430$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020424094726.00a82c80@pop.swing.be> At 22:29 23/04/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: >Good idea. >We can pick a session for this and just fill a session with the light talks >that are available. > >Tom. > > > I'd like to propose something that was considered very successful at the > > last Python conference: lightning talks. > > > > Basic idea: two hours or so of ten minute talks. Less formal, less > > preparation needed. > > --Paul > > I would like to also second this idea... and would be candidate for a 10 minutes Zope talk on generating a database and its management interface based on a XML semantic description of the data. >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From paul@zope.com Wed Apr 24 12:40:46 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 07:40:46 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track References: <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> <20020423223428.GB25786@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC699BE.4090706@zope.com> If someone else wants to coordinate it, please send us a note. If not, I can try to coordinate it. For now, I'll start a page to collect lightning talk ideas as they come in. Let's get some more input from others and decide if we'll make a place for lightning talks. Marc-Andre? Nicolas (Chauvat ou Pettiaux)? --Paul Martijn Faassen wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: > >>Ahh, much better, thanks! >> >>I'd like to propose something that was considered very successful at the >>last Python conference: lightning talks. >> >>Basic idea: two hours or so of ten minute talks. Less formal, less >>preparation needed. > > > Yes, I think those are very cool, and I mentioned them before. We should > have someone organize 'm. :) > > For now, if you want to hold a lightning talk, please mail me. > (note though: lightning talkers don't get in free ;) > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From paul@zope.com Wed Apr 24 12:42:19 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 07:42:19 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track References: <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020423232318.028c7030@mercury-1.cbu.edu> Message-ID: <3CC69A1B.4000601@zope.com> Can you put your name down on the wiki page, with a little description? http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ZopeTrack --Paul Stephan Richter wrote: > BTW, I can give a talk about Zope 3. I have to prepare one for the UK > UUG meeting anyways. > > Let me know. > > Regards, > Stephan > > -- > Stephan Richter > CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student > Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management > From denis@aragne.com Wed Apr 24 12:47:42 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:47:42 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2002 Website Banner Message-ID: <20020424134742.D32053@carolo.net> Vincent Maton made a very nice banner. See it there : http://212.68.204.88:9673/viny Please, help to propagate ... Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020423232318.028c7030@mercury-1.cbu.edu> <3CC69A1B.4000601@zope.com> Message-ID: <011701c1ebc5$4dd64fe0$6d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Stephan, I added your talk already on it, please provide some extra information (ie what the talk is about) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Everitt" To: "Stephan Richter" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track > > Can you put your name down on the wiki page, with a little description? > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ZopeTrack > > --Paul > > Stephan Richter wrote: > > BTW, I can give a talk about Zope 3. I have to prepare one for the UK > > UUG meeting anyways. > > > > Let me know. > > > > Regards, > > Stephan > > > > -- > > Stephan Richter > > CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student > > Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> <20020423223428.GB25786@vet.uu.nl> <3CC699BE.4090706@zope.com> Message-ID: <011801c1ebc5$53296130$6d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Hi Paul, I added a Lighting topic to the Zope Track wiki. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Everitt" To: "Martijn Faassen" Cc: "Tom Deprez" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track > > If someone else wants to coordinate it, please send us a note. If not, > I can try to coordinate it. > > For now, I'll start a page to collect lightning talk ideas as they come in. > > Let's get some more input from others and decide if we'll make a place > for lightning talks. Marc-Andre? Nicolas (Chauvat ou Pettiaux)? > > --Paul > > Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Paul Everitt wrote: > > > >>Ahh, much better, thanks! > >> > >>I'd like to propose something that was considered very successful at the > >>last Python conference: lightning talks. > >> > >>Basic idea: two hours or so of ten minute talks. Less formal, less > >>preparation needed. > > > > > > Yes, I think those are very cool, and I mentioned them before. We should > > have someone organize 'm. :) > > > > For now, if you want to hold a lightning talk, please mail me. > > (note though: lightning talkers don't get in free ;) > > > > Regards, > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed Apr 24 22:03:25 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:03:25 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track In-Reply-To: <3CC699BE.4090706@zope.com> References: <014301c1e97a$4219bef0$758c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC593A3.4060007@zope.com> <008d01c1eaef$b89488f0$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5AAB6.9030206@zope.com> <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC5BE1C.9080900@zope.com> <20020423223428.GB25786@vet.uu.nl> <3CC699BE.4090706@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020424210324.GB28455@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > > If someone else wants to coordinate it, please send us a note. If not, > I can try to coordinate it. Okay, Paul is the one to mail, then! :) Regards, Martijn From Georg.Pleger@uibk.ac.at Wed Apr 24 22:03:34 2002 From: Georg.Pleger@uibk.ac.at (Georg Pleger) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:03:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Zope track: Educational Modelling Language In-Reply-To: <3CC5ABE4.7020407@zope.com> References: <20020422030122.C32053@carolo.net> <3CC5ABE4.7020407@zope.com> Message-ID: <1019682214.3cc71da6c39f5@web-mail2.uibk.ac.at> Hello Paul! Hello EuroPython! It=B4s my first time on your list, so here is a short self introduction: (I know that this is not the place for dicussion on this stuff.)=20 I=B4m working for the University of Innsbruck (Department of Education), = the=20 Tiroler Bildungsservice (the network of all Tyrolean educational institut= ions)=20 and the Austrian educational portal run by our Ministry of Education. My focus is the production and reuse of standardized (e)learning material= s. Major concepts for the XML-based production of didactical sophisticated=20 learning materials have been formulated in the Educational Modelling Lang= uage=20 (EML http://eml.ou.nl ), developed at the Open University of the Netherla= nds.=20 These concepts will be merged with other developtments in the area of=20 standardization of learning materials like SCORM, LOM and IMS=20 (www.imsglobal.org). Now it=B4s time to implement these standards in tools that are available = for all=20 educational institutions and contexts from primary education up to univer= sity=20 and adult education. So an opensource approach is the obvious way to go. At the University of Helsinki Zope was used for the learning environment = FLE=20 (Future Learning Environment, http://fle3.uiah.fi ). FLE uses parts of th= e=20 Educational Modelling Language as an export format. Now there are first p= lans=20 with partners in the Netherlands to use Zope as the framework for an auth= oring=20 environment for EML.=20 I would like to contribute with my educational standardization background= to=20 better use the great potential of Zope in the area of (e)learning. I don=B4t want to promise too much, so please give me three more weeks to= figure=20 out what kind of prototype we will be able to present in Charleroi (proposal for my presentation: Zope as an authoring environment for EML). I=B4m new to your community and aware that there have been some activitie= s in=20 this field like Zope-Edu and others. But so far I don=B4t know enough abo= ut=20 these activities and what are the actual plans there. Comments, pointers to contacts etc welcome! Thanks for your great job so far! Looking forward to meet you in Charleroi =20 Georg Pleger University of Innsbruck, Austria OpenSource AG tel: +43 512 933 682 mobile: +43 699 11 087 555 georg.pleger@uibk.ac.at Zitat von Paul Everitt : >=20 > Hello Georg, if you have subscribed by now. I read the page and it=20 > looks like a very interesting topic that we should consider for the Zop= e=20 > track, or another track if you'd prefer. >=20 > Can you send me an email describing the outline of your presentation? >=20 > --Paul >=20 > Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > > Hi, Zope track champions (and others), > >=20 > > Last thirsday, we got a visit of Georg Pleger who will present himsel= f > > better than I could do it. > >=20 > > He's working on a Zope project related to education together with the > > Open University of the Netherlands, the UIAH Media Lab at the > > University of Art and Design in Helsinki and the Centre for Research = in > > Networked Learning and Knowledge Building at the University of Helsin= ki. > >=20 > > For some info on EML, have a look at=20 > > http://eml.ou.nl/introduction/explanation.htm > >=20 > > It seems quite interresting so I asked him to join the mailing list a= nd > > to propose himself for a talk. > >=20 > > Now that he's been introduced, I'm sure Georg will answer to all your > > questions. > >=20 > > Denis > >=20 From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed Apr 24 22:02:20 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:02:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Graphics/SVG demo planned In-Reply-To: <1019630658.3cc654427f764@webmail.in-berlin.de> References: <1019630658.3cc654427f764@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <20020424210220.GA28455@vet.uu.nl> Dinu Gherman wrote: > I'd be glad to give some presentation or tutorial about the ReportLab > Graphics package RLG and the upcoming SVG support for it. Is there > any "authority" to register or apply for doing so? I've put you on my list. :) Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <3CC5ABE4.7020407@zope.com> <1019682214.3cc71da6c39f5@web-mail2.uibk.ac.at> Message-ID: <020d01c1ebd6$60306e80$6d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Hi Georg, Thanks for your introduction. It looks somebody added you already to the ZopeTrack wiki, great! Please if possible send a sort of abstract (after you figured it out) of the talk to the list. Or to me, paul and martijn. Please also provide us how much time your presentation wil take. Thanks for willing to give a talk about this interesting subject. I'm looking forward to it, since I'm thinking I'll need to implement such a thing in the 'far' future as well for our department. Best Regards, tom@steema.com Steema Software SL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georg Pleger" To: "Paul Everitt" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Zope track: Educational Modelling Language Hello Paul! Hello EuroPython! It´s my first time on your list, so here is a short self introduction: (I know that this is not the place for dicussion on this stuff.) I´m working for the University of Innsbruck (Department of Education), the Tiroler Bildungsservice (the network of all Tyrolean educational institutions) and the Austrian educational portal run by our Ministry of Education. My focus is the production and reuse of standardized (e)learning materials. Major concepts for the XML-based production of didactical sophisticated learning materials have been formulated in the Educational Modelling Language (EML http://eml.ou.nl ), developed at the Open University of the Netherlands. These concepts will be merged with other developtments in the area of standardization of learning materials like SCORM, LOM and IMS (www.imsglobal.org). Now it´s time to implement these standards in tools that are available for all educational institutions and contexts from primary education up to university and adult education. So an opensource approach is the obvious way to go. At the University of Helsinki Zope was used for the learning environment FLE (Future Learning Environment, http://fle3.uiah.fi ). FLE uses parts of the Educational Modelling Language as an export format. Now there are first plans with partners in the Netherlands to use Zope as the framework for an authoring environment for EML. I would like to contribute with my educational standardization background to better use the great potential of Zope in the area of (e)learning. I don´t want to promise too much, so please give me three more weeks to figure out what kind of prototype we will be able to present in Charleroi (proposal for my presentation: Zope as an authoring environment for EML). I´m new to your community and aware that there have been some activities in this field like Zope-Edu and others. But so far I don´t know enough about these activities and what are the actual plans there. Comments, pointers to contacts etc welcome! Thanks for your great job so far! Looking forward to meet you in Charleroi Georg Pleger University of Innsbruck, Austria OpenSource AG tel: +43 512 933 682 mobile: +43 699 11 087 555 georg.pleger@uibk.ac.at Zitat von Paul Everitt : > > Hello Georg, if you have subscribed by now. I read the page and it > looks like a very interesting topic that we should consider for the Zope > track, or another track if you'd prefer. > > Can you send me an email describing the outline of your presentation? > > --Paul > > Denis Frère wrote: > > Hi, Zope track champions (and others), > > > > Last thirsday, we got a visit of Georg Pleger who will present himself > > better than I could do it. > > > > He's working on a Zope project related to education together with the > > Open University of the Netherlands, the UIAH Media Lab at the > > University of Art and Design in Helsinki and the Centre for Research in > > Networked Learning and Knowledge Building at the University of Helsinki. > > > > For some info on EML, have a look at > > http://eml.ou.nl/introduction/explanation.htm > > > > It seems quite interresting so I asked him to join the mailing list and > > to propose himself for a talk. > > > > Now that he's been introduced, I'm sure Georg will answer to all your > > questions. > > > > Denis > > _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 25 12:35:14 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:35:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks Message-ID: <3CC7E9F2.77565ECC@lemburg.com> I have a question about the mapping between session and tracks: Tim and I are actively looking for more speakers for the business and web services tracks. The business track seems very popular (the web services one less so), so we would like to assign more sessions to the business track (e.g. 6 sessions for the business track and maybe only 2 sessions for the web services one). Is that possible ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From gotcha@swing.be Thu Apr 25 12:40:42 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:40:42 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks In-Reply-To: <3CC7E9F2.77565ECC@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425134032.0399bc58@pop.swing.be> At 13:35 25/04/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >I have a question about the mapping between session and tracks: > >Tim and I are actively looking for more speakers for the business >and web services tracks. The business track seems very popular >(the web services one less so), so we would like to assign more >sessions to the business track (e.g. 6 sessions for the business >track and maybe only 2 sessions for the web services one). > >Is that possible ? IMHO, I see no good reasons why it would not be possible. Dario, Martijn and others, what do you think about it ? -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From dario@ita.chalmers.se Thu Apr 25 12:59:21 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:59:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks Message-ID: <01e001c1ec50$a2b4a0d0$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> > >Tim and I are actively looking for more speakers for the business > >and web services tracks. The business track seems very popular > >(the web services one less so), so we would like to assign more > >sessions to the business track (e.g. 6 sessions for the business > >track and maybe only 2 sessions for the web services one). > > > >Is that possible ? > IMHO, I see no good reasons why it would not be possible. sure, why not? No point in having empty slots for tracks... /dario - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K=E4sten, dario@ita.chalmers.se IT Systems & Services System Developer/System Administrator Chalmers University of Tech. From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 25 13:02:56 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:02:56 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425134032.0399bc58@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <3CC7F070.5F134479@lemburg.com> Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > > At 13:35 25/04/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >I have a question about the mapping between session and tracks: > > > >Tim and I are actively looking for more speakers for the business > >and web services tracks. The business track seems very popular > >(the web services one less so), so we would like to assign more > >sessions to the business track (e.g. 6 sessions for the business > >track and maybe only 2 sessions for the web services one). > > > >Is that possible ? > IMHO, I see no good reasons why it would not be possible. > > Dario, Martijn and others, what do you think about it ? If there's no problem with that, how and when will you start to arrange the session to track and conference day mappings ? (FYI, for the business and web services track we have set a deadline of April 30th for talk proposals, so we'll know about the exact number of talks in the first week of May.) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu Apr 25 13:19:23 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:19:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track In-Reply-To: <00f601c1eb00$556cde10$e58c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > The new ConferenceTimeTable is here: > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/NewConferenceTimeTable I think 15 minutes to change speakers is a bit too long. If people want to attend two following talks in the same room, they have to wait seated for 15 mn. As they probably won't, you'll probably end up with people that went for a walk coming in during the talks... Or do you have a different experience ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From paul@zope.com Thu Apr 25 13:30:37 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:30:37 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track References: Message-ID: <3CC7F6ED.2070708@zope.com> I agree with Nicolas. Here's a different approach: a. The last five minutes of each presentation is Q&A. The new speaker starts setting up the computer. b. 5 minutes of speaker change time should then do it. Thus, people present for 50 minutes, take five minutes of questions, then five minutes of dead time for speaker change. --Paul Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >>The new ConferenceTimeTable is here: >>http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/NewConferenceTimeTable > > > I think 15 minutes to change speakers is a bit too long. If people want to > attend two following talks in the same room, they have to wait seated for > 15 mn. As they probably won't, you'll probably end up with people that > went for a walk coming in during the talks... > > Or do you have a different experience ? > From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu Apr 25 13:39:18 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track In-Reply-To: <3CC699BE.4090706@zope.com> Message-ID: > Let's get some more input from others and decide if we'll make a place > for lightning talks. Marc-Andre? Nicolas (Chauvat ou Pettiaux)? If think it would be very interesting if Nicolas Pettiaux could give a lightning talk about the approach his Public Administration has with free software and Zope. I met many other people (and Public Admin) that have the same concerns and are not sure about the best path to take. In case he couldn't, I know someone else who might be interested. As for me, I'd be glad to present a ten minutes tour of the Python-Logic SIG I just created. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From gotcha@swing.be Thu Apr 25 13:43:58 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:43:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track In-Reply-To: <3CC7F6ED.2070708@zope.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425144301.00a7cc18@pop.swing.be> At 14:30 25/04/2002, Paul Everitt wrote: >a. The last five minutes of each presentation is Q&A. The new speaker >starts setting up the computer. > >b. 5 minutes of speaker change time should then do it. > >Thus, people present for 50 minutes, take five minutes of questions, then >five minutes of dead time for speaker change. > >--Paul I globally agree that 15 minutes is too long, except if we want people to be able to go out a few minutes. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From dario@ita.chalmers.se Thu Apr 25 13:58:35 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:58:35 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track References: <3CC7F6ED.2070708@zope.com> Message-ID: <021701c1ec58$e95c44e0$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> From: "Paul Everitt" > I agree with Nicolas. Here's a different approach: > > a. The last five minutes of each presentation is Q&A. The new speaker > starts setting up the computer. I am not sure this will work - it will very disturbing for both the audience and the current speaker. > b. 5 minutes of speaker change time should then do it. > > Thus, people present for 50 minutes, take five minutes of questions, > then five minutes of dead time for speaker change. The problem with this tight schedule is that 5 minutues is really, really a short time in between sessions. I mean it takes at least 2-3 minutes for people to leave the room, and then 2-3 minutes for people to get into the room, and this is supposing that spekaers actually finish on time and that they have dull presentations with few audience questions. Spekers do not just appear, talk, answer questions and dissapear. People approach speakers after the speech, before they can leave the room, people need to go to the toilet, there is X technical problem, people need to get something to drink, people need to stretch their legs, need to go and take a smoke, etc, etc. And we need to ventilate the room - the air might get stale Also, and this is perhaps really important, if we are going to have exhibitors they will require at least a chance for people to visit their booths. One of the mistakes we made once (another time and story, not python/zope related) was to have a too tight schedule where exhibitors were annoyed because visitors hade too little time to attend booths. There is another side of this - what to do if speakers do not fill up their session slot? This can be a real problem - waiting 10-15 minutes might not be that bad if there is a lot people movement or some snack to munge on, but waiting 30 minutes really sucks. I suggest that any speaker whose presentation is less than 30 minutes, be put on a longer lightning talk session instead, and make sure that speakers understand that 30-40 mminutes is the required lenght of their speech. All this is of course dependent on how the rooms are laid out, how the tracks are organised and if there will be exhibitors or not. Will all sessions related to one track be in the same room as much as possible or will we try to make some movement and make people mix and meet, distributing tracks on the available rooms? I dunno... what do you think? In any event, I think that 5 minutes is REALLY a short time. /dario From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 25 14:23:49 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:23:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Session timing (Wiki: Zope track) References: <3CC7F6ED.2070708@zope.com> <021701c1ec58$e95c44e0$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <3CC80365.5D7F27A8@lemburg.com> Dario Lopez-K=E4sten wrote: >=20 > From: "Paul Everitt" >=20 > > I agree with Nicolas. Here's a different approach: > > > > a. The last five minutes of each presentation is Q&A. The new speake= r > > starts setting up the computer. >=20 > I am not sure this will work - it will very disturbing for both the aud= ience > and the current speaker. >=20 > > b. 5 minutes of speaker change time should then do it. > > > > Thus, people present for 50 minutes, take five minutes of questions, > > then five minutes of dead time for speaker change. >=20 > The problem with this tight schedule is that 5 minutues is really, real= ly a > short time in between sessions. You are forgetting a very important aspect here: the human factor :-) Speakers tend to not talk exactly x minutes (most use more time), so a buffer is needed to compensate for this. For the business track we envision having 35 minute talks + 15 minutes discussion + 10 minutes setup for the next talk. The 15 minutes discussion can be used a buffer in case a talk should not fit the 35 minute schedule. --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 25 16:40:34 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:40:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] first day tutorial day? Message-ID: <20020425154034.GA30791@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, It was floating around, though never confirmed as far as I'm aware, that the first day would be tutorial day. I've always been against such a thing, but some people apparently have made some plans in this light. This means we only have 1.5 conference day, and need to fill an entire day with tutorials. As far as I'm aware we never *announced* that the first day would be a tutorial day. How many people have arranged their plans around day one being tutorial day only? What do people think about this? Regards, Martijn From paul@zope.com Thu Apr 25 16:51:54 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:51:54 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425134032.0399bc58@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <3CC8261A.9000903@zope.com> Can I make a little administrative suggestion? There are a bunch of issues to confront and not much time left to confront them. For instance, the tutorials thing is a really big hot potato. Can we setup an IRC appointment, perhaps for tomorrow, and get all the issues cleared up in one shot? --Paul Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > At 13:35 25/04/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> I have a question about the mapping between session and tracks: >> >> Tim and I are actively looking for more speakers for the business >> and web services tracks. The business track seems very popular >> (the web services one less so), so we would like to assign more >> sessions to the business track (e.g. 6 sessions for the business >> track and maybe only 2 sessions for the web services one). >> >> Is that possible ? > > IMHO, I see no good reasons why it would not be possible. > > Dario, Martijn and others, what do you think about it ? > -- > > Godefroid Chapelle > > BubbleNet sprl > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > TVA 467 093 008 > RC Niv 49849 > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 25 16:48:47 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:48:47 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks In-Reply-To: <3CC7E9F2.77565ECC@lemburg.com> References: <3CC7E9F2.77565ECC@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020425154847.GB30791@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > I have a question about the mapping between session and tracks: > > Tim and I are actively looking for more speakers for the business > and web services tracks. The business track seems very popular > (the web services one less so), so we would like to assign more > sessions to the business track (e.g. 6 sessions for the business > track and maybe only 2 sessions for the web services one). > > Is that possible ? Shifting those sessions around between the two tracks seems fine, but why don't we figure out how many sessions we have in the first place for each proposed track? This also depends on how popular the sessions turn out to be; I think we can have quite a few talks in the main Python tracks, for instance, and there should be no problem filling up the Zope track either. But I have no idea how the other tracks are doing. See also this page for a simple index: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/NewConferenceTracks Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 25 17:19:01 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:19:01 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks In-Reply-To: <3CC8261A.9000903@zope.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425134032.0399bc58@pop.swing.be> <3CC8261A.9000903@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020425161901.GA30955@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > Can I make a little administrative suggestion? > > There are a bunch of issues to confront and not much time left to > confront them. For instance, the tutorials thing is a really big hot > potato. > > Can we setup an IRC appointment, perhaps for tomorrow, and get all the > issues cleared up in one shot? That's a good idea. Sometime tomorrow afternoon CET on irc.openprojects.net? Regards, Martijn From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu Apr 25 17:26:00 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:26:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks In-Reply-To: <3CC8261A.9000903@zope.com> Message-ID: > Can I make a little administrative suggestion? > > There are a bunch of issues to confront and not much time left to > confront them. For instance, the tutorials thing is a really big hot > potato. > > Can we setup an IRC appointment, perhaps for tomorrow, and get all the > issues cleared up in one shot? I can offer a Jabber server to discuss these issues "privately" if needed. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From lac@strakt.com Thu Apr 25 17:29:03 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:29:03 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] how do I register for exhibitor space? Message-ID: <200204251629.g3PGT3B1000509@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I want some. How do I get it? Laura Creighton From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu Apr 25 17:34:10 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:34:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks In-Reply-To: <20020425161901.GA30955@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: > > Can we setup an IRC appointment, perhaps for tomorrow, and get all the > > issues cleared up in one shot? > > That's a good idea. Sometime tomorrow afternoon CET on irc.openprojects.net? Not too late please. Would 14:30 CEST be ok ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <008a01c1ec80$5837b760$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Best way is to contact denis for this : denis@aragne.com. He also has direct contact with the conference center and has a layout of it, so you can discuss the space etc. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Creighton" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:29 PM Subject: [EuroPython] how do I register for exhibitor space? > I want some. How do I get it? > > Laura Creighton > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 25 18:41:24 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:41:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks In-Reply-To: References: <20020425161901.GA30955@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020425174124.GA31168@vet.uu.nl> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > Can we setup an IRC appointment, perhaps for tomorrow, and get all the > > > issues cleared up in one shot? > > > > That's a good idea. Sometime tomorrow afternoon CET on irc.openprojects.net? > > Not too late please. Would 14:30 CEST be ok ? Sure, 14:30 CEST sounds good. 14:30 CEST it is then. :) Regards, Martijn From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Thu Apr 25 18:35:03 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:35:03 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track References: <3CC7F6ED.2070708@zope.com> <021701c1ec58$e95c44e0$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <008301c1ec80$33512710$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> I know that the main reason we took 15 minutes that people could switch tracks. Not all tracks end at the same schedule... Or... we just make very tight schedules and let an alarm bell go when the speaker is out of time.... not that ideal, but used in some conferences... Perhaps 15 min is too much. --> 10 minutes? People who want to ask questions just have to this outside the room, so that the other talks can start. Anyhow a 50 minute talk is rather long. I would stick to a max of 45 min (Q&A included or not). Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dario Lopez-Kästen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Wiki: Zope track > From: "Paul Everitt" > > > I agree with Nicolas. Here's a different approach: > > > > a. The last five minutes of each presentation is Q&A. The new speaker > > starts setting up the computer. > > I am not sure this will work - it will very disturbing for both the audience > and the current speaker. > > > b. 5 minutes of speaker change time should then do it. > > > > Thus, people present for 50 minutes, take five minutes of questions, > > then five minutes of dead time for speaker change. > > The problem with this tight schedule is that 5 minutues is really, really a > short time in between sessions. > > I mean it takes at least 2-3 minutes for people to leave the room, and then > 2-3 minutes for people to get into the room, and this is supposing that > spekaers actually finish on time and that they have dull presentations with > few audience questions. > > Spekers do not just appear, talk, answer questions and dissapear. People > approach speakers after the speech, before they can leave the room, people > need to go to the toilet, there is X technical problem, people need to get > something to drink, people need to stretch their legs, need to go and take a > smoke, etc, etc. > > And we need to ventilate the room - the air might get stale > > Also, and this is perhaps really important, if we are going to have > exhibitors they will require at least a chance for people to visit their > booths. One of the mistakes we made once (another time and story, not > python/zope related) was to have a too tight schedule where exhibitors were > annoyed because visitors hade too little time to attend booths. > > There is another side of this - what to do if speakers do not fill up their > session slot? This can be a real problem - waiting 10-15 minutes might not > be that bad if there is a lot people movement or some snack to munge on, but > waiting 30 minutes really sucks. I suggest that any speaker whose > presentation is less than 30 minutes, be put on a longer lightning talk > session instead, and make sure that speakers understand that 30-40 mminutes > is the required lenght of their speech. > > All this is of course dependent on how the rooms are laid out, how the > tracks are organised and if there will be exhibitors or not. Will all > sessions related to one track be in the same room as much as possible or > will we try to make some movement and make people mix and meet, distributing > tracks on the available rooms? > > I dunno... what do you think? In any event, I think that 5 minutes is REALLY > a short time. > > /dario > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <3CC7F6ED.2070708@zope.com> <021701c1ec58$e95c44e0$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> <3CC80365.5D7F27A8@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <007601c1ec80$23952330$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> For the business track we envision having 35 minute talks + 15 minutes discussion + 10 minutes setup for the next talk. The 15 minutes discussion can be used a buffer in case a talk should not fit the 35 minute schedule. ------ Like this, but don't know if 15 minutes isn't too long for discussion From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <007701c1ec80$26e22b50$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Another view on it..... How many people do we have already to give a whole day? I'm not sure we even have people who want to do tutorials... Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: [EuroPython] first day tutorial day? > Hi there, > > It was floating around, though never confirmed as far as I'm aware, > that the first day would be tutorial day. I've always been against such > a thing, but some people apparently have made some plans in this light. > > This means we only have 1.5 conference day, and need to fill an entire > day with tutorials. As far as I'm aware we never *announced* that the > first day would be a tutorial day. > > How many people have arranged their plans around day one being tutorial > day only? What do people think about this? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <3CC8261A.9000903@zope.com> Message-ID: <007a01c1ec80$29d812c0$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Good idea, Except, I don't have IRC access when I'm at work :-( Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Everitt" To: "Godefroid Chapelle" Cc: "M.-A. Lemburg" ; "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks > > Can I make a little administrative suggestion? > > There are a bunch of issues to confront and not much time left to > confront them. For instance, the tutorials thing is a really big hot > potato. > > Can we setup an IRC appointment, perhaps for tomorrow, and get all the > issues cleared up in one shot? > > --Paul > > Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > > At 13:35 25/04/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > >> I have a question about the mapping between session and tracks: > >> > >> Tim and I are actively looking for more speakers for the business > >> and web services tracks. The business track seems very popular > >> (the web services one less so), so we would like to assign more > >> sessions to the business track (e.g. 6 sessions for the business > >> track and maybe only 2 sessions for the web services one). > >> > >> Is that possible ? > > > > IMHO, I see no good reasons why it would not be possible. > > > > Dario, Martijn and others, what do you think about it ? > > -- > > > > Godefroid Chapelle > > > > BubbleNet sprl > > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > > Belgium > > > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > > > TVA 467 093 008 > > RC Niv 49849 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <20020425174124.GA31168@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <011701c1ec83$0f74d370$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Euhm was is 14:30 CEST in Europe time? Pardon me for my dummyness! Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: "Nicolas Chauvat" Cc: "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks > Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > > Can we setup an IRC appointment, perhaps for tomorrow, and get all the > > > > issues cleared up in one shot? > > > > > > That's a good idea. Sometime tomorrow afternoon CET on irc.openprojects.net? > > > > Not too late please. Would 14:30 CEST be ok ? > > Sure, 14:30 CEST sounds good. 14:30 CEST it is then. :) > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu Apr 25 19:06:37 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks In-Reply-To: <011701c1ec83$0f74d370$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > Euhm was is 14:30 CEST in Europe time? Pardon me for my dummyness! Correct me if I'm wrong, but Belgium has the same time as France, so it will be 14h30 your time tomorrow. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Oops, I wanted to work further on the news box on the site (Olivier made an excellent News product), but I receive the message 'Connection Refused' when I'm trying to connect the europython site. .... Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" ... what about doing a chat now? Who's online now and can have a chat? Me (Tom) Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <016901c1ec85$2f750c10$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Thanks, I wasn't sure about that. I always mix those time protocols. Unfortunately I won't be able to attend on that meeting. At that moment I'm at the hospital and I can't get on IRC. Nonetheless, I'll try to convince the firewall people to get access... but I've no hope. Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: "Martijn Faassen" ; "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks > Euhm was is 14:30 CEST in Europe time? Pardon me for my dummyness! Correct me if I'm wrong, but Belgium has the same time as France, so it will be 14h30 your time tomorrow. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 25 19:50:33 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:50:33 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks References: <016901c1ec85$2f750c10$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC84FF9.51DE08C9@lemburg.com> Why not plan the IRC chat for Monday, then ? Host: eu.openprojects.net Channel: europython Time: 11:00 UTC Local time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D= 29&month=3D4&year=3D2002&hour=3D11&min=3D0&sec=3D0&p1=3D0 I would like to participate in the meeting, but tomorrow is a no go for me. If you're looking for a good IRC client, have a look at X-Chat which is also available for Windows. Tom Deprez wrote: >=20 > Thanks, I wasn't sure about that. I always mix those time protocols. > Unfortunately I won't be able to attend on that meeting. At that moment= I'm > at the hospital and I can't get on IRC. > Nonetheless, I'll try to convince the firewall people to get access... = but > I've no hope. >=20 > Regards, Tom >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicolas Chauvat" > To: "Tom Deprez" > Cc: "Martijn Faassen" ; "EuroPython Mailing List" > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks >=20 > > Euhm was is 14:30 CEST in Europe time? Pardon me for my dummyness! >=20 > Correct me if I'm wrong, but Belgium has the same time as France, so it > will be 14h30 your time tomorrow. >=20 > -- > Nicolas Chauvat >=20 > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s > (France) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Thu Apr 25 19:53:07 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks References: <016901c1ec85$2f750c10$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC84FF9.51DE08C9@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CC85093.F1939FCA@lemburg.com> Just realized, that 7 am may be a bit early for Paul :-) So how about 15:00 UTC ? > Why not plan the IRC chat for Monday, then ? > > Host: eu.openprojects.net > Channel: europython Time: 11:00 UTC Local time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=4&year=2002&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 > I would like to participate in the meeting, but tomorrow is > a no go for me. > > If you're looking for a good IRC client, have a look at X-Chat > which is also available for Windows. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From paul@zope.com Thu Apr 25 20:47:32 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:47:32 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Grouping session to tracks References: <016901c1ec85$2f750c10$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CC84FF9.51DE08C9@lemburg.com> <3CC85093.F1939FCA@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CC85D54.5050502@zope.com> Nope, 7AM is fine. I'm an early bird. --Paul M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Just realized, that 7 am may be a bit early for Paul :-) > So how about 15:00 UTC ? > > >>Why not plan the IRC chat for Monday, then ? >> >>Host: eu.openprojects.net >>Channel: europython > > > Time: 11:00 UTC > Local time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=4&year=2002&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 > > >>I would like to participate in the meeting, but tomorrow is >>a no go for me. >> >>If you're looking for a good IRC client, have a look at X-Chat >>which is also available for Windows. > > From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 25 21:42:25 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:42:25 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat 14:30 CEST at irc.openprojects.net Message-ID: <20020425204225.GA31589@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, We'll have a europython IRC chat at 14:30 CEST (that's 8:30 eastern time for Americans :) on irc.openprojects.net. I'm not sure if we can magic our own channel, but if so, we'll be in #europython. If that for some reason doesn't work, let's gather in #python instead. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Apr 25 21:44:44 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:44:44 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat 14:30 CEST at irc.openprojects.net In-Reply-To: <20020425204225.GA31589@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020425204225.GA31589@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020425204444.GA31654@vet.uu.nl> Martijn Faassen wrote: > We'll have a europython IRC chat at 14:30 CEST (that's 8:30 eastern > time for Americans :) on irc.openprojects.net. I'm not sure if we can > magic our own channel, but if so, we'll be in #europython. If that > for some reason doesn't work, let's gather in #python instead. Okay, now I don't know anymore whether we'll do it tomorrow or not. Monday afternoon is a bit harder for me than tomorrow afternoon, though I can still make it (if it's 3 am). Should've read the thread on this before I posted, sorry.. Regards, Martijn From paul@zope.com Thu Apr 25 21:59:39 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:59:39 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat 14:30 CEST at irc.openprojects.net References: <20020425204225.GA31589@vet.uu.nl> <20020425204444.GA31654@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC86E3B.8030400@zope.com> How bout this: anybody that can show up tomorrow at 14:30 CEST, we'll be there. --Paul Martijn Faassen wrote: > Martijn Faassen wrote: > >>We'll have a europython IRC chat at 14:30 CEST (that's 8:30 eastern >>time for Americans :) on irc.openprojects.net. I'm not sure if we can >>magic our own channel, but if so, we'll be in #europython. If that >>for some reason doesn't work, let's gather in #python instead. > > > Okay, now I don't know anymore whether we'll do it tomorrow or not. > Monday afternoon is a bit harder for me than tomorrow afternoon, > though I can still make it (if it's 3 am). > > Should've read the thread on this before I posted, sorry.. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From denis@aragne.com Fri Apr 26 01:24:49 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:24:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC In-Reply-To: <013e01c1ec84$5188c2c0$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <013e01c1ec84$5188c2c0$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020426022449.B27991@carolo.net> Le Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 08:09:16PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > ... what about doing a chat now? >=20 > Who's online now and can have a chat? Sorry, poor lonely Tom. ;-) Oli, Vincent, Fran=E7ois and I were at our GNU/Linux weekly meeting. (That's a big part of the local team) --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From gotcha@swing.be Fri Apr 26 09:47:52 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:47:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC In-Reply-To: <013e01c1ec84$5188c2c0$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020426104552.025c7e88@pop.swing.be> I won't be able to participate this afternoon on 14:30. Please do not forget to make the IRC transcript available if possible... Thanks -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 26 09:50:50 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:50:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Session timing (Wiki: Zope track) References: <3CC7F6ED.2070708@zope.com> <021701c1ec58$e95c44e0$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> <3CC80365.5D7F27A8@lemburg.com> <007601c1ec80$23952330$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CC914EA.BBD81057@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > For the business track we envision having 35 minute talks > + 15 minutes discussion + 10 minutes setup for the next > talk. > > The 15 minutes discussion can be used a buffer in > case a talk should not fit the 35 minute schedule. > ------ > > Like this, but don't know if 15 minutes isn't too long for discussion It may be for other tracks, but in the business track we are more focussed on hearing about people's experience, so discussions are most welcome. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 26 09:54:11 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:54:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] first day tutorial day? References: <20020425154034.GA30791@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CC915B3.B75847A4@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Hi there, > > It was floating around, though never confirmed as far as I'm aware, > that the first day would be tutorial day. I've always been against such > a thing, but some people apparently have made some plans in this light. Based on http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks ... > This means we only have 1.5 conference day, and need to fill an entire > day with tutorials. As far as I'm aware we never *announced* that the > first day would be a tutorial day. > > How many people have arranged their plans around day one being tutorial > day only? What do people think about this? Whatever you come up with, please let me know soon, since I would have to re-schedule my stay in Charleroi. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 26 10:31:26 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:31:26 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020426104552.025c7e88@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <3CC91E6E.43A781A0@lemburg.com> Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > > I won't be able to participate this afternoon on 14:30. Me neither. > Please do not forget to make the IRC transcript available if possible... Let's meet again on Monday, 11:00 UTC. I think that more people are likely to participate at that time. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hey, It looks I'm able to get on the europython channel at 14:30!! at least I found some irc servers to connect: irc.zope.net or irc.chat.be so I should be able to get to the channel!! yahoo! See you at 14:30h From paul@zope.com Fri Apr 26 10:58:47 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:58:47 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020426104552.025c7e88@pop.swing.be> <3CC91E6E.43A781A0@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CC924D7.1080407@zope.com> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Let's meet again on Monday, 11:00 UTC. I think that more people > are likely to participate at that time. OK. I started a page here: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogApr29 I'm sure I've left some things out, so please add some items to the agenda. --Paul From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 26 11:36:31 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:36:31 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020426104552.025c7e88@pop.swing.be> <3CC91E6E.43A781A0@lemburg.com> <3CC924D7.1080407@zope.com> Message-ID: <3CC92DAF.D71320BE@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > Let's meet again on Monday, 11:00 UTC. I think that more people > > are likely to participate at that time. > > OK. I started a page here: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogApr29 > > I'm sure I've left some things out, so please add some items to the agenda. I've added a link to the world-time page, so that everybody knows what 1100 UTC means in local time. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From dario@ita.chalmers.se Fri Apr 26 12:08:58 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:08:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Chatting References: <01fe01c1ed07$8f382560$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <032f01c1ed12$c397e330$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> > > It looks I'm able to get on the europython channel at 14:30!! > at least I found some irc servers to connect: irc.zope.net or irc.chat.be > so I should be able to get to the channel!! > > yahoo! > > See you at 14:30h I am unable to be on irc today at 14.30 due to a meeting clags. I might be able to enter later though if people are still around. I have secured the #europython channel on irc.openprojects.net (the same network that has the #zope channels), if people are willing to meet there... /dario From mal@lemburg.com Fri Apr 26 12:46:18 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:46:18 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki organization "New..." vs. old pages Message-ID: <3CC93E0A.A775AE4A@lemburg.com> The current wiki setup is rather confusing with NewConferenceTrack and NewConferenceTimetable pages being used instead of updating the existing ones. Could someone please reintegrate the new stuff in the existing pages so as not to confuse everybody ! (and then redirect from the New* pages to the old existing ones; plus remove them from the Frontpage) We can't afford any confusion at this stage of the project ! Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 26 12:53:53 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:53:53 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC In-Reply-To: <3CC91E6E.43A781A0@lemburg.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020426104552.025c7e88@pop.swing.be> <3CC91E6E.43A781A0@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020426115353.GA783@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > > > > I won't be able to participate this afternoon on 14:30. > > Me neither. > > > Please do not forget to make the IRC transcript available if possible... > > Let's meet again on Monday, 11:00 UTC. I think that more people > are likely to participate at that time. I won't be able to be there monday.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 26 12:58:52 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:58:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] irc chat.. Message-ID: <20020426115852.GA809@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I can't make it to the irc chat on monday (or at least I'm likely to be late, as I have to be at an appointment just before that). Can we reschedule it again to perhaps an hour later? :) so instead of 13:00 CEST can we move it to 14:00 CEST? Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <011101c1ed1a$9e69c8f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> It doesn't really matters for me when it starts. For me during the normal day hours everything is difficult to schedule. I'll adopt me to the settled hour. Regards, tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: [EuroPython] irc chat.. > Hi there, > > I can't make it to the irc chat on monday (or at least I'm likely to be > late, as I have to be at an appointment just before that). > > Can we reschedule it again to perhaps an hour later? :) > > so instead of 13:00 CEST can we move it to 14:00 CEST? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From guido@python.org Fri Apr 26 13:36:32 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:36:32 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:58:47 EDT." <3CC924D7.1080407@zope.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020426104552.025c7e88@pop.swing.be> <3CC91E6E.43A781A0@lemburg.com> <3CC924D7.1080407@zope.com> Message-ID: <200204261236.g3QCaWx02324@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> The IRC meeting is on now! irc.openprojects.net #europython --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Chat at #europython is open! Regards, Tom. From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri Apr 26 14:45:05 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:45:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Apr26 IRC chat report Message-ID: Hi Folks, Here is my take at summarizing what was said during today's IRC chat : http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ChatLogApr26 Enjoy and modified at will. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From guido@python.org Fri Apr 26 14:47:48 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:47:48 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Chat transcript April 26, 2002 Message-ID: <200204261347.g3QDlmw02647@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> shapr: I heard Jim say he might show up for the sprint @ europython. shapr: not confirmed yet, but I got that impression. shapr: I mentioned you in the whole sprint planning. really? spiffy :) shapr: not that I'm planning any sprint. other people are planning the sprint. shapr: yeah, I want you in the sprint. at the last sprint I sprinted with a guy who did all the pairing and I did all the programming. :) wow, thanks :) I should read over the zope3 code beforehand then shapr: anyway, Paul said..hmm.. shapr: that's not a requirement. though it'll help, of course. maybe it would be nice to do a python sprint too? guido: Laura, your favorite.. * shapr grins I'm looking forward to meeting her in person. guido: was interested in doing somekind of hacking session where business people could interact with hackers and have them hack up something useful in python in no time. * faassen too. I'd love to show them jython compared to Java. faassen: I *like* laura. she mentioned that to me too, but was disappointed that noone else showed interest. guido: us #python ircers have had a long fascination with Laura. and in fact I know her boyfriend, have known him for years. though only online. I was one of the people who advocated Python to him, and I think that's why she's here now in part, as he did to her. :) so I'm responsible, I admit it! guido: I like Laura too. :) guido: I also like to tease. :) * guido thinks it's better to stick to the point of the meeting my concern with laura's proposal... it's not yet the meeting. or is it? I guess it;s 14:30 now. yes it is, it's 8:34 here. okay. maybe a pep-0042 sprint? where's Paul? want me to grab some europython attendees from #python? ... my concern is that you don't know what kind of problems are proposed, and then you don't know if they are solvable. E.g. suppose someone comes with a hardware adaptation problem -- I'd have no clue... shapr: maybe not, let's keep it to planning.. well, Paul thought the irc chat wouldn't go on today. I just mailed him to tell we're at #europython ok guido: yeah, that's true. zifnabbe: I mean, I thought he mailed that whomever could make it would be here. Marc-Andre sort of threw some confusion in the works there for me too. and we'll definitely have another chat on monday as far as I can see. though perhaps 13:30 is better for me then. instead of 13:00 hardware adaptation could be partially demonstrated by swig'ing a c lib maybe? guido: anyway, that's true. some preselection might be a good thing. Laura said she'd seen it work, though. planning a chat is always a pain. you have to live with not everybody showing up. yes, but I received a mail from him today, that I might could join the zope-web chat, since he thought the europython chat ... well, heck, perhaps I misread the mail dlk: you awake? OK, then the other problem is, when to do that kind of sprint -- in parallel with the conference? oh, the zope sprint we were definitely planning *before* the conference. if there's to be a Hacker/Businesspeople cultural exchange, then that's not a sprint. and would need to be closer to the conference. a Python sprint in my opinion should run in parallel with the zope sprint before the conference. yup the zope sprint before the conference... though Paul was mentioning possibly having 2 separate zope sprints. one's plenty. then again, we right now don't seem to have room anymore as Denis's location fell through. we can go to Godefroid's place and he can host about 8 people. guido: (one could for instance be UI centered and one could be code centered) I'll have to talk again to Denis, to see what he could manage... zifnabbe: well, okay, but if we can possibly arrange the sprint without his managing then that'd be good. :) faassen: but they'd still be competing with each other in terms of people so, what's on the program list for this talk --> NicolasC (~nico@aboukir-101-2-1-logilab.adsl.nerim.net) has joined #europython faassen: you're right Hi folks. Hi guido: Zope UI people versus Zope code people can be quite distinct, in my experience. NicolasC: hey! anyway, let'slook at the agenda here. --> afayolle (~alf@aboukir-101-2-1-logilab.adsl.nerim.net) has joined #europython and let's do some preliminary discussion. so, are we to discuss the agenda at http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ChatLogApr29 ? NicolasC: yeah, I was just going to paste that. I think we can't make final conclusions yet as that'd be unfair to the people that can only make it on monday. esp. Marc Andre. but we could do a sketch of a conclusion. Well, we can come up with a very strong recommendation though. * faassen agrees. * NicolasC agrees too one thing that I just talked about with Andy Robinson on the phone.. who is interested in doing the tutorial stuff.. he said he can fill up the first half of the first day with those. that leaves us 2 days (2nd half of day 1, day 2, and first half of day 3).. for the main conference. as please note the conference ends (have to leave the building) by 13:00 day 3. faassen: how many parallel tutorials is Andy planning? guido: I think two parallel sessions. Topics? in general the assumption is that we have two things going on in paralle. it is ending by friday noon, but we could resume some talks informally after that what are the tutorial topics that Andy proposed? NicolasC: yes, but we need to keep that out of the formal conference planning.w e'll have a *lot* of people around. faassen: what are the tutorial topics that Andy proposed? For planned tutorials, see TutorialTrack in the wiki. guido: yeah, yeah. guido: I'm answering, it's just I don't know the details. :) guido: not too many intro to python tutorials. he was interested in doing something reportlab. but should we go for a full day of tutorials? he preferred a bunch of shorter tutorials. are these paid tutorials? if it's Andy deciding.. guido: they're part of the normal conference fare. then it's half a day of tutorials. guido: or do you mean the people giving the tutorials? they why schedule them in a separate time slot? guido: well, my suggestion was to do them in paralle. guido: but other people seem to disagree on this. * NicolasC doesn't I'm not the boss here, but at O'Reilly, anything shorter than a half day goes in the regular program. I mean, my assumption was that we could run the tutorials in pralle. parallel. with the main sessions. I think we have enough room to do 3 sessions simultaneously. --> bernhard (~bh@aktaia.intevation.org) has joined #europython zifnabbe: do you remember what Denis said on that? how many things we can do in parallel? at least 3, right? Also, a ReportLab tutorial sounds like too much pushing one company's product -- no matter how good the project is. guido: well, that's not the only tutorial. guido: there's Python and XML, there's threading in Python. faassen: please let us know what you know about what Andy proposed: which topics, how long there's Python on Windows. guido: well, the wiki page has the stuff. http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/TutorialTrack as was pointed out before. :) I didn't see that link before anyway, Andy has a Python on windows thing for hismelf. I thought this was fresh from Andy's phone call (sorry) guido: okay, sorry to be less clear there. guido: it was. guido: but then NicolasC pointed out the wiki. :) and I went there. faassen:as far as I remember, we can split the room in 4 compartments, but I don't know how big they are then... zifnabbe: should still be reasonably large. the wiki has only 3 concrete proposals, and none of them very long -- could be mixed in with the rest of the conference program. guido: oh, sure, I am not arguing against it. :) my recommendation: no separate tutorial time slot. sure, that was my recommendation too. ;) what do the others think? note that changing the room dividers takes a lot of time (half hour) and makes a lot of noise in most places, so can only be done at lunch time or at night also some places only allow the change to be made by their own personnel so, for tutorials we also need to find some PC's. Internet connection? How many PC's? zifnabbe: depends on how they're planned. zifnabbe: anyway, that's not relevant right now. zifnabbe: up to Andy, but not part of the program chat. Or are tutorials given with one big screen? ie just projected zifnabbe: I think that's the case. anyway, assuming we run the tutorials in parallel. vote: no seperate tutorial time slot +1 +1 zifnabbe: let's not do "hands-on" tutorials, the logistics are overwhelming. I've never done such thing at a conference. +1 okay, let's just go with that for a bit. and see where we went up with the program. let's check out Dario's typical day. people can bring their laptop, but it's best if the tutor doesn't depend on this. as a tutor you can show examples on your own laptop though (I always use IDLE with the font size set to 16 points -- works very well) http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/NewConferenceTimeTable guido:ok. I was already thinking on the huge amount of logistics needed for that. we scratch anything needing huge logistics. :) anyway, next on the agenda is session timing. how long is a session, etc. here's the suggestion 35 minutes, 15 minutes discussion and 10 minutes transition. sounds good. hm. let's see. what's more common is two 90 minute sessions with a half hour break in between, and 2 or 3 talks per session. in the schedule on the wiki page it looks like.. 45 minutes for a sesion, and then short breaks of 15 minutes after that. that means 60 minutes in total per talk... Isn't that too much? okay, let's just assume a session is 30 minutes, 10 minutes discussion (but this may vary per talk) hmm. please, let's ask for mostly short talks (20-25 minutes max). most topics aren't that interesting after half an hour. yup with Dario, we made a total of 45 minutes per talk (all included) with Dario, we did have breaks. though. certain trusted experienced speakers can be given a 45 minute for an important topic (e.g. the tutorials) yup, breaks of 15 minutes. zifnabbe: so that's your hour again. :) yesterday on the list we said that we may want attendees to have time to tour the stands in the hall... a break every hour is too much IMO -- better have fewer, but longer breaks breaks were needed for moving laptops, going from one track to another... yes, that was one motivation. should that happen between sessions or every two or three session ? anyway let's assume we have sessions of 40 minutes, including discussion. within one 90-minute session, you can ask all three speakers to be prepped. So, talks of 25 minutes + 15 minutes discussions? I think we shouldn't mandate discussions. I think we should just allot a slot for a talk. also handy to have is a time for the speakers to test the configuration. this year at Python10 we discovered that the latest Dell 8100 laptops didn't work with Foretec's projectors... and we'll just see how much time is left for a discussion, speaker can arrange that himself. * guido feels ignored guido: you're not ignored. guido: you're dominating the discussion, in fact. ;) Ok, so lets speak about 40 minutes in total or 35 minutes? we're just trying to get a handle on the requirements here. okay. zifnabbe: have you seen my proposal for longer sessions? what do you think? Which means we can set 2 talks before having a break... guido: oops, no, where? scroll back :-) Summary: 90 minutes sessions with 3 25-minute talks if guido feels ignored, what should i feel ? :-) NicolasC: you made a good point the stands thing is one of the motivations behind the breaks as currently standing. what's the stands thing? what about 60 minutes sessions with 2 talks and 20 minutes breaks between sessions ? yes, ok, but aren't 25 min too little? So almost no discussion possible. Or we just have the 5min PC switch as a possible extra discussion oh, there'll be some exhibitorrs or something. I don't think we'll have too many, but we need to keep them happy == people have time to visit them. then use longer breaks between 90 minute sessions the 20 min between sessions could be used either to visit exhibitors or to discuss about the talks. yup, since the small breaks won't bring too much people to stands either plus in my experience lots of people leave sessions halfway anyway ho long's planned for lunch break BTW? guido: see wiki page..hm.. http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/NewConferenceTimeTable 1.15 Ok, another take at it: how many people do we expect? what are the lunch logistics? --> mwh (~mwh@pc150.maths.bris.ac.uk) has joined #europython guido: the lunch logistics, if I recall from Denis.. lunch would be very simple 75 min sessions with 2 25 min talks + 10 min discussion + 5 more minutes to change speakers. zifnabbe: right. zifnabbe: if you don't plan lunch very careful it wil become chaos. ie no hot meals, just some clubs (bread with meat, vegetables, etc) speakers would have time to test equipment during the 30 min breaks between sessions 300 people have to find a table, negotiate who sits with whom, grab their food, etc. NicolasC: so that's 35 minutes per talk (+ discussion), and then 5 minutes extra time to switchover in the middle. faassen: yes wel, Denis promised he has the catering organised, ie we've hired the catering people of the conference centre zifnabbe: prepared sandwiches sound good faassen: 35 min including discussion make sure there's a veggie option! better check with denis if he's checked with the catering folks about the timing. okay. let's just assume we have 35 minutes per talk, and they're in a block of 2 with 5 minutes in between, so that makes 75 minutes. i think guido's right about alk lenght. what can't fit in a half hour will only fit in half a day or more :-) if we assume that..what do we get? for a complete day schedule? I just want to see how that works out. guido: thanks for telling the word, which I was searching for! ie sandwiches 90 minute blocks with 3 sessions seem to me a bit more cramped. i'm trying to write that down in the wiki. i'll point to it once done so I'm in favor of the 75 minutes one. NicolasC: great faassen: yet, that's what we've always had at Python conferences and it's worked well there. I'd prefer 75 minute sessions also, more time for discussion. guido: yes, that was in the discussion at the Berlin BBQ as well, veggie sandwiches should be available as well advantage of 90 minutes is that you can have three 25 minute talks or two 40 minute talks guido: okay, then that might work as well. I guess we need a scenario for that then. :) guido: but Europeans are slow long boring speakers! :) guido: ok noted, I'll talk to Denis guido: hm, that's right. I know you said that before, but I hadn't realized that fully yet. hm.. Marc-Andre has planned his talks to be 45 minutes. I mean, the ones on the business track and such. that is, 35 minutes long with 10 minutes discussion. so that would fit in the 90 minute block. Folks, I've got to go (I'm starving and need a shower :-). I'll be there again Monday if it's at 14:30 your time, but not if earlier. guido: okay, thanks! I'll keep my chat client running to extract the log though. bye! bye guido! hm. so let's go to 3)..reallocate unused time in some tracks. sure, if there is a track sparse with talks I'm okay with moving it around, if everybody is okay with it. does anyone have fundamental objections there? beware: nothing's in the wiki for python+science, but people commited to come to talk NicolasC: oh, you mean we shouldn't depend on the wiki for shifting things around? :) i got the info from marc poinot today and will update the wiki after the chat ends bye guido NicolasC: that's a good point. of course we won't commit to the wiki. that's the same for the Python hackers and Python application track. I have some people committed to come to a talk on both not yet in the wiki. no objections (Alex Martelli, Christian Tismer, Armin Rigo, etc) anyway, perhaps we should leave 4 and 5 for the discussion monday. hm, phone here.. i have a possible schedule in the NewConferenceTimeTable in the wiki, using 75 min sessions. what do you say ? NicolasC: looks good i want the 90 checked too what will happen to the 45 min talk planned by MALemburg thought ? agree on phone now but 90 minutes better I'll go try 90 min I'm called away, sorry have to leave <-- zifnabbe (~Tom@adhemar.uz.kuleuven.ac.be) has left #europython faaseen: please go have a look at the time table in the wiki :-) * dlk is back the 90 minute sessions looks good to me. --- dlk has changed the topic to: PSU world domination planning meeting * NicolasC thinks we could let track champions chose the schedule they want: lunch is about the same time for both anybody still in there ? I'm here, I'm trying to get the entire picture. * NicolasC is thinking about stopping discussion for now and resuming on monday. me but on phone it looks like the PythonInBusiness track has several confirmed, and many more possibles in case someone bails out. the Zope track and the lightweight web services track are scheduled for the same time, it seems some web people might want to go to both (me) the TutorialTrack page looks a bit bare. shapr: andy robinson did not get much time to pretty-fy it I'd like to go to a ReportLab session. imho, it's an extension of the XML + Python tutorial. anyone else awake with comments or thoughts? How many talks are confirmed? reportlab tutorial is about pdf, not pyxml for me it's important to be able to turn a single XML source into HTML and PDF. I write e-learning stuff for a university. that's why it seems similar to me :) * NicolasC is leaving for he has a lot other stuff to do. you can use XSLT and XSLFO for that Bye folks, see you on monday. yah, I have to go back to work also. see you NicolasC! <-- NicolasC has quit ("Client Exiting") or you may want to go for reportlab depends on what kind of things you wnat to transform. --> spirou (~spirou@212.68.204.88) has joined #europython mostly my customers want me to turn e-learning content in ms word files into web pages that save the users answers. It appears that the discussion is adjourned till Monday. sorry, another phone call. OK, I'll post the transcript now. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From guido@python.org Fri Apr 26 15:49:01 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:49:01 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Basic questions on logistics... Message-ID: <200204261449.g3QEn1002752@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> (Maybe it's in the wiki, but I can't find it.) - How many attendees do you expect? Minimal? Maximal? What's the space capacity? - How much do you charge for admission? Is there a budget with expected income and expenses? How much does the catering cost? - How do you set up registration? (This is the most common bottleneck at conferences I've seen! Registering 300 people in 1 hour needs at least 10 experienced clerks...) --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From lac@strakt.com Fri Apr 26 16:18:49 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:18:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Sprints Message-ID: <200204261518.g3QFInmh007658@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> When I originally proposed this, I thought the conference was going to have a somewhat different focus -- ie, we were going to invite a lot of local businesses, and then the business track would show them Python, and why it is a good idea. Instead, we have a hackers conference, where the business track is more about 'teaching hackers who have any interest in business the things they want to learn'. At least this is the way I am reading things -- correct me if this is wrong or merely obsolete -- I know how things change. The successful Sprint I was involved with in the past was arranged by hackers who were freelance consultants, with the express purpose of gfetting us more business. So we targetted companies we thought would have busines we wanted and told them to come with the sort of thing that they thought should take a team of 4 people about 6 hours. Not knowing what the hell they were going to propose was part of the charm. We got attendees who came because they expected to see us fall on our faces and wanted to see the blood. Being able to reject things out of hand was also a possibility, and one we warned about. As it was we rejected one, but I forget why. Then four teams made open source solutions to whatever the people wanted. I only remember what I did -- a driver for some weird disk thing that was going to be the next great storage media and which nobody has heard of since. It worked great. I got lots of work teaching how to write device drivers, and other people got work doing the things they wanted to do. But this conference apears to be a different sort of fish. If you plan on having the Sprint before the conference, then I almost certainly cannot run it. This notion that some of you have that 'oh well, people can always come a few days earlier' isn't true for all of us. It is not clear to me that people are going to want to go to a conference _after_ a Sprint -- we wanted the papers first, and then the Sprint second at any rate. Falling asleep in the middle of your paper because you were hacing late all night would never do. However, all of this is moot. While some people want to do a Python-Zope Sprint, nobody appears to want to do a Python-for-businesses Sprint. At least as far as I know. Laura Creighton From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri Apr 26 17:03:52 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:03:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Sprints In-Reply-To: <200204261518.g3QFInmh007658@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: > all of this is moot. While some people want to do a Python-Zope > Sprint, nobody appears to want to do a Python-for-businesses Sprint. > At least as far as I know. I think it is a nice idea, but somebody has to organize it. A couple tables in the exhibition space with enough space to put laptops and do it by pairs the extreme programming way sounds like a nice compromise, unless you think it would look too hackish and prefer to get a full room (but is there any left ?). I agree with you it has to happen during the conference if we want it to be popular. Anyway, I do not have businesses at hand that I know would come to challenge python hackers, but I could easily get one or two Logilab python hackers to participate if it was to happen. There is not much time left to set this up. What about starting a page in the Wiki and writing down the names of businesses that would be interested in participating? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Hi, I've added a news section to the site. Thanks to Oliviers news product we can now add news to the site. For this go to the news/newsItems folder and add a 'ANews Entry'. Fill in the data... Through the properties you can add a summary, but I made it so that when no summarry is given, the summary is just the first 100 characters. (Olivier, perhaps something you can add to your product as a functionality?) News can be in STX or HTML. Vincent, I hope you can come up with a nice layout for the News page. (and for the page which shows a list of old news) I haven't created a list of 'old news' yet. Perhaps somebody else would like to program it? Just go ahead, create an index_html inside the news folder and query the newsItem folder and you're settled. I can't make it this weekend, since I've some family duties. Have fun! Have a nice weekend. ps. If you want to delete the stupid news announcement I made, go ahead! Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <012401c1ed62$4506b550$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> > (Maybe it's in the wiki, but I can't find it.) Since, nobody answers, let me try to give an answer on some of them: > - How many attendees do you expect? Minimal? Maximal? What's the > space capacity? We thought on about 200-300 visitors (perhaps 400?). I think we've the whole level 0 of the conference building, but I'm not really sure about it anymore. Denis, please refresh my mind :-). For floor plan, see http://www.ceme.be/en/sallea.htm If I've more information, I'll put the floorplan with adjustments to the congress on the europython site. > - How much do you charge for admission? Is there a budget with expected income and expenses? How much does the catering cost? We though on charging the following: Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro Students : 100 euro 150 Euro for people who come for one day. (but we don't like this too much, since it can bring difficulties in logistics) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'll put the above online very soon, if nobody disagrees !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Catering: (catering done by the default catering service of the congress building) We've 2 coffee breaks, + 1 luch (20 Euro's per day per person) Other costs: Can somebody put all the costs and calculations together on the wiki? Sorry, no time to do it myself, have to go... > - How do you set up registration? (This is the most common bottleneck at conferences I've seen! Registering 300 people in 1 hour needs at > least 10 experienced clerks...) Yup, I thought so it would be a bottleneck. Well, I think nobody has thought on this very well at the moment. However, we do want do create an online registration. Or, we go with ShareIt, or we go with a customer of us, who has an e-commerce site. If we get better prices, we'll use their services. Denis is still negotiating with them. Regards, Tom. From guido@python.org Fri Apr 26 21:53:54 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:53:54 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Basic questions on logistics... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:38:04 +0200." <012401c1ed62$4506b550$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <200204261449.g3QEn1002752@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <012401c1ed62$4506b550$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <200204262053.g3QKrsR05510@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > Since, nobody answers, let me try to give an answer on some of them: Thanks! > > - How many attendees do you expect? Minimal? Maximal? What's the > > space capacity? > > We thought on about 200-300 visitors (perhaps 400?). I think we've the > whole level 0 of the conference building, but I'm not really sure about it > anymore. Denis, please refresh my mind :-). For floor plan, see > http://www.ceme.be/en/sallea.htm > > If I've more information, I'll put the floorplan with adjustments to the > congress on the europython site. Great! > > - How much do you charge for admission? Is there a budget with expected > income and expenses? How much does the catering cost? > > We though on charging the following: > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > Students : 100 euro Is someone collecting early bird registrations yet? The official website doesn't even have a link. Yet the deadline is only 3 weeks off. Does that somebody have a bank account? How do they accept money? PayPal? > 150 Euro for people who come for one day. (but we don't like this too much, > since it can bring difficulties in logistics) Yes, better not to try this. > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'll put the above online very soon, if nobody > disagrees !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Catering: > > (catering done by the default catering service of the congress building) > > We've 2 coffee breaks, + 1 luch (20 Euro's per day per person) Do the catering people need money upfront? (Probably! They need to buy a lot of stuff beforehand!!!) A guaranteed minimal number of customers? Is there a contract that describes what they will provide in detail (e.g. are there snacks with the coffee)? Etc. A place where hungry participants can buy additional snacks would help too. (FOSDEM did this -- they didn't provide any catering as part of the conference fee, but they sold 3 types of sandwiches, drinks, and good Belgian beer all day long.) > Other costs: > > Can somebody put all the costs and calculations together on the wiki? Sorry, > no time to do it myself, have to go... > > > - How do you set up registration? (This is the most common bottleneck at > conferences I've seen! Registering 300 people in 1 hour needs at > > least 10 experienced clerks...) > > Yup, I thought so it would be a bottleneck. Well, I think nobody has > thought on this very well at the moment. > However, we do want do create an online registration. Or, we go with > ShareIt, or we go with a customer of us, who has an e-commerce site. > If we get better prices, we'll use their services. Denis is still > negotiating with them. It's time! You still need on-site registration so people can pick up their badges -- unless you make it entirely the honor system, which is hard to do with 300 people paying 250 euro each. Believe me, even companies who do this for a living sometimes underestimate how much work this is (at one Python conference Foretec had to tell people to go into the tutorial without paying and come back to pay during lunch break because they ran out of time). --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 26 23:27:22 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:27:22 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki organization "New..." vs. old pages In-Reply-To: <3CC93E0A.A775AE4A@lemburg.com> References: <3CC93E0A.A775AE4A@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020426222722.GA3206@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > The current wiki setup is rather confusing with NewConferenceTrack > and NewConferenceTimetable pages being used instead of updating > the existing ones. > > Could someone please reintegrate the new stuff in the existing > pages so as not to confuse everybody ! (and then redirect from the > New* pages to the old existing ones; plus remove them from the > Frontpage) > > We can't afford any confusion at this stage of the project ! That's true; in case of the NewConferenceTrack I wanted a short simple index to the track information, but the NewConferenceTimeTable should overwrite the old one. I can add the NewConferenceTrack page contents to the top of the original one. We really need to do a wiki cleanup; without regular cleanups wikis tend to deteriorate. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 26 23:32:37 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:32:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Basic questions on logistics... In-Reply-To: <012401c1ed62$4506b550$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <200204261449.g3QEn1002752@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <012401c1ed62$4506b550$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020426223237.GA3233@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > > - How much do you charge for admission? Is there a budget with expected > income and expenses? How much does the catering cost? > > We though on charging the following: > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > Students : 100 euro > > 150 Euro for people who come for one day. (but we don't like this too much, > since it can bring difficulties in logistics) Let's not do the 150 euro/1 day thing, unless we get overwhelming requests for it. We also had a 275 euro price for people showing up at the conference itself, without preregistration. This higher price should perhaps be even higher, to discourage this, so we don't need to handle a lot of that when people show up. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Apr 26 23:43:45 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:43:45 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Basic questions on logistics... In-Reply-To: <200204262053.g3QKrsR05510@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> References: <200204261449.g3QEn1002752@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <012401c1ed62$4506b550$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <200204262053.g3QKrsR05510@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20020426224345.GA3294@vet.uu.nl> Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > - How much do you charge for admission? Is there a budget with expected > > income and expenses? How much does the catering cost? > > > > We though on charging the following: > > > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > > Students : 100 euro > > Is someone collecting early bird registrations yet? The official > website doesn't even have a link. Yet the deadline is only 3 weeks > off. We can shift this, of course, but it shouldn't go into june. :) (nothing was announced yet about the deadline) > Does that somebody have a bank account? How do they accept > money? PayPal? Denis has a bank account for the conference setup. Unfortunately the payment situation doesn't seem to have been worked out yet. If we don't get news on this by monday, let's go with ShareIt if at all possible. What were the costs again? > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'll put the above online very soon, if nobody > > disagrees !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Putting the prices up without a way to pay us will generate a lot of questions from people wondering how to pay. Better put up the payment options right away. Talking about people going to complain, I'd like to have an email address for europython.org. Unfortunately the IP has not been transferred to amaze.nl, which means we can't supply addresses at europython.org. I guess I can go mail the owner of the domain again.. [online payment] > It's time! Definitely. That's even more urgent than getting the program worked out. It all has to happen next week, people! Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat Apr 27 00:10:07 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:10:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider Message-ID: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Another payment provider we could go with is Bibit. I've used this in the past, and setting it up isn't that very complicated, though it is a bit of programming. They ask a EUR 145 per month subscription fee, but fees per transaction are just EUR 0.50 (excepting any special commissions by financial institutions; that all depends ..; perhaps there's an easy way to shift that to the people buying a ticket) More info: http://www.bibit.com/ Anyway, I don't really care much which one we'll pick, as long as it can be put into action very soon. Regards, Martijn From js@aixtraware.de Sat Apr 27 09:03:50 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:03:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, you may also use the existing EuroZope online payment system. I can setup a = form within a day for the conference, if its on my server. We accept=20 Master/Eurocard, VISA and Diners Club cards, the service fee is 3.05 % of=20 the amount and 0.30 cents per transaction. The system is implemented with=20 Zope and can be easely setup on a different server. best regards Joachim Schmitz (1. chairman) ---------------------------------------------------------- EuroZope e.V. H=FCsgenstr. 33a D-52457 Aldenhoven Germany phone: +49-2464-8851 fax : +49-2464-905163 ---------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 key server: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From andy@reportlab.com Sat Apr 27 09:19:16 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:19:16 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Sprints In-Reply-To: <200204261518.g3QFInmh007658@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: > But this conference apears to be a different sort of fish. If you > plan on having the Sprint before the conference, then I almost > certainly cannot run it. This notion that some of you have that 'oh > well, people can always come a few days earlier' isn't true for all of > us. It is not clear to me that people are going to want to go to a > conference _after_ a Sprint -- we wanted the papers first, and then > the Sprint second at any rate. Falling asleep in the middle of your > paper because you were hacing late all night would never do. However, > all of this is moot. While some people want to do a Python-Zope > Sprint, nobody appears to want to do a Python-for-businesses Sprint. > At least as far as I know. > > Laura Creighton Now I know what you mean. I did not pick up on this before. I have another idea: make it a roadshow. The "heroes of python" do one in London, Stockholm, Paris, whatever, doing exactly what you say and with exactly the focus you gave. It could be a one day event, with the chance to grow into a bigger one with tutorials if there is demand, giving a bunch of people a chance to meet up and maybe even get travel expenses paid. The ACCU and the British Computer Society would definitely put on such events and publicise them in the UK; maybe magazines would because it makes a good story. - Andy From denis@aragne.com Sat Apr 27 19:48:22 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:48:22 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> Le Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 10:03:50AM +0200, Joachim Schmitz pianota: > Hi, Hi Joachim, thank you for stepping in again. > you may also use the existing EuroZope online payment system. I can setup a > form within a day for the conference, if its on my server. We accept > Master/Eurocard, VISA and Diners Club cards, the service fee is 3.05 % of > the amount and 0.30 cents per transaction. The system is implemented with > Zope and can be easely setup on a different server. If you do remember, that's what I already advised long ago (18/02/2002) http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2002-February/000509.html That's far better than Share-it and I would like EuroPython to collaborate as much as it can with EuroZope. Even if EuroPython was a legal organisation, I would think the best solution is to share this payment system. Going one step further, I would say EuroZope should be rewarded for the service since EuroPython has no flat setup fee to pay, or at least we should thank EuroZope heartily. If nobody is against using EuroZope payment system, let's do it. We've been hesitating long enough aren't we ? Regards, Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From paul@zope.com Sat Apr 27 20:01:12 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:01:12 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CCAF578.8060602@zope.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > If nobody is against using EuroZope payment system, let's do it. > We've been hesitating long enough aren't we ? Agreed on both points. This is a major issue and we could have it=20 solved in a few days. Someone is volunteering to help. This should be=20 a pretty obvious +1. --Paul From js@aixtraware.de Sun Apr 28 18:10:35 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:10:35 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: <3CCAF578.8060602@zope.com> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <3CCAF578.8060602@zope.com> Message-ID: <179930000.1020013835@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, I will setup an example registration page on the my server during next=20 week. I will anounce the URL as soon as something is there. --On Samstag, April 27, 2002 15:01:12 -0400 Paul Everitt =20 wrote: > Denis Fr=E8re wrote: >> If nobody is against using EuroZope payment system, let's do it. >> We've been hesitating long enough aren't we ? > > Agreed on both points. This is a major issue and we could have it solved > in a few days. Someone is volunteering to help. This should be a pretty > obvious +1. > > --Paul > > > best regards Joachim Schmitz (1. chairman) ---------------------------------------------------------- EuroZope e.V. H=FCsgenstr. 33a D-52457 Aldenhoven Germany phone: +49-2464-8851 fax : +49-2464-905163 ---------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 key server: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From denis@aragne.com Sun Apr 28 22:05:39 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:05:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: I would like to register for some exhibitor space. In-Reply-To: <200204252149.g3PLnJPm001329@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <200204252149.g3PLnJPm001329@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20020428230539.W27991@carolo.net> Le Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:49:19PM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota: > What should I do? Please, help me, go and see the exhibitors page in the wiki http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors I've added a 'Budget' paragraph ; comments/changes welcome if reasonnable. Give me your exact requirements and I will edit a bill after having agreed on a price. We're not Foretec, we're just Python enthousiasts. Try to be explicit about your wills and we'll try to make you happy. Best regards, Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Mon Apr 29 03:24:49 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:24:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Catering and Vegetarian Food Message-ID: <20020429042449.A27991@carolo.net> Yes, I've asked the catering service to think to vegetarian food. I've also asked to have permanent water disponibilities. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From dario@ita.chalmers.se Mon Apr 29 07:11:54 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:11:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Is it too late for a submitting a paper? Message-ID: <00b701c1ef44$c31d81b0$2135b5d4@ita.chalmers.se> Hello! I was wondering if it is too late for submitting a paper to be presented = at the conference? I would like to give presentation about how Chalmers University of Technology implemented a Learning Management System and Student Portal in Zope and Oracle, and about the lessons learned from that effort and subsequent deployment of the system. Sincerely, /dario - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K=E4sten, dario@ita.chalmers.se IT Systems & Services System Developer/System Administrator Chalmers University of Tech. From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Mon Apr 29 08:48:11 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:48:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Nope, EuroZope payment option is the way to go I think. It is already working so it is easely set up. I never dared to ask, because it was so quiet. If I calculated correctly we had following costs on each ticket for using ShareIt: 13,42 Euro (normal) 11,42 Euro (bird) 7,4 Euro (student) monthly cost + 2 Euro for the monthly bank transfert. So,.... it isn't cheap.... EuroZope looks much cheaper. Joachim, how difficult is it to make a EuroPython ticket page through EuroZope? Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Frère" To: "Joachim Schmitz" Cc: "Martijn Faassen" ; Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] payment provider > Le Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 10:03:50AM +0200, Joachim Schmitz pianota: > > Hi, > > Hi Joachim, thank you for stepping in again. > > > you may also use the existing EuroZope online payment system. I can setup a > > form within a day for the conference, if its on my server. We accept > > Master/Eurocard, VISA and Diners Club cards, the service fee is 3.05 % of > > the amount and 0.30 cents per transaction. The system is implemented with > > Zope and can be easely setup on a different server. > > If you do remember, that's what I already advised long ago (18/02/2002) > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2002-February/000509.html > > That's far better than Share-it and I would like EuroPython to > collaborate as much as it can with EuroZope. > > Even if EuroPython was a legal organisation, I would think the best > solution is to share this payment system. Going one step further, I > would say EuroZope should be rewarded for the service since EuroPython > has no flat setup fee to pay, or at least we should thank EuroZope > heartily. > > If nobody is against using EuroZope payment system, let's do it. > We've been hesitating long enough aren't we ? > > Regards, > > Denis > > -- > Denis FRERE > P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org > OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org > Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From faassen@vet.uu.nl Mon Apr 29 09:07:46 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:07:46 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: <3CCAF578.8060602@zope.com> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <3CCAF578.8060602@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020429080746.GA7220@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > Denis Fr?re wrote: > >If nobody is against using EuroZope payment system, let's do it. > >We've been hesitating long enough aren't we ? > > Agreed on both points. This is a major issue and we could have it > solved in a few days. Someone is volunteering to help. This should be > a pretty obvious +1. Sure, +1 Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Mon Apr 29 09:09:39 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:09:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] irc chat today Message-ID: <20020429080939.GB7220@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Our irc chat is planned for 1 am today; I may not be able to make it so I asked for it to be delayed an hour (though half an hour would be enough). Guido was there friday and he said if it were after 14:30 he'd be able to make it as well. I know it's rather late to change the time so I'll try to be there at 13:00, but just so you all know we can't keep our times straight today either (substract 6 hours for those over on the east coast :) Regards, Martijn From dario@ita.chalmers.se Mon Apr 29 09:17:38 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:17:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Is it too late for a submitting a paper? References: <00b701c1ef44$c31d81b0$2135b5d4@ita.chalmers.se> <00b401c1ef53$66a7c6c0$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <00de01c1ef56$536098f0$2135b5d4@ita.chalmers.se> Hello! I just learned that I cannot attend the conference, since my uni will be hosting a conference on the 27-28 about LMS:es and I am expeced to deliver a presentation about our system. Bummer :-( /dario From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 09:24:27 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:24:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Nope, > > EuroZope payment option is the way to go I think. It is already working so > it is easely set up. > I never dared to ask, because it was so quiet. > If I calculated correctly we had following costs on each ticket for using > ShareIt: > > 13,42 Euro (normal) > 11,42 Euro (bird) > 7,4 Euro (student) > > monthly cost > > + 2 Euro for the monthly bank transfert. > > So,.... it isn't cheap.... EuroZope looks much cheaper. Just make sure you get the accounting right. Otherwise, you'll end up in an organizational mess. You should also make sure that you have all payment data readily available on the first day of the conference and to switch off the online payment option the day before (or even earlier), so you can make sure that the money has actually been tranferred to the P3B bank account. > Joachim, how difficult is it to make a EuroPython ticket page through > EuroZope? Some other questions: * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled certificate) * How do you handle refunds (e.g. person can't come for some reason) ? * What other costs are involved in using EuroZope's system ? (e.g. bank transfer costs, managing the account, payment of EuroZope as provider etc.) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 10:05:19 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:05:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki organization "New..." vs. old pages References: <3CC93E0A.A775AE4A@lemburg.com> <20020426222722.GA3206@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CCD0CCF.4D46262C@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > The current wiki setup is rather confusing with NewConferenceTrack > > and NewConferenceTimetable pages being used instead of updating > > the existing ones. > > > > Could someone please reintegrate the new stuff in the existing > > pages so as not to confuse everybody ! (and then redirect from the > > New* pages to the old existing ones; plus remove them from the > > Frontpage) > > > > We can't afford any confusion at this stage of the project ! > > That's true; in case of the NewConferenceTrack I wanted a short > simple index to the track information, but the NewConferenceTimeTable > should overwrite the old one. I can add the NewConferenceTrack page > contents to the top of the original one. Good. > We really need to do a wiki cleanup; without regular cleanups wikis > tend to deteriorate. Rather than doing a cleanup, I'd rather like to see more information moved from the wiki to the web site. The web-site is what people look at, but it currently doesn't have enough information to satisfy people and redirecting them to the wiki is bad PR. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 10:10:54 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:10:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <3CCAF578.8060602@zope.com> <179930000.1020013835@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <3CCD0E1E.32416B9A@lemburg.com> Joachim Schmitz wrote: > > Hi, > > I will setup an example registration page on the my server during next > week. I will anounce the URL as soon as something is there. Please do this ASAP. We can't wait another week without having a payment page up online... Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 10:22:14 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:22:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] irc chat today References: <20020429080939.GB7220@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CCD10C6.EEB6E1D8@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Hi there, > > Our irc chat is planned for 1 am today; I may not be able to make it Make that: 13:00 CEST (= 11:00 UTC). > so I asked for it to be delayed an hour (though half an hour would > be enough). > > Guido was there friday and he said if it were after 14:30 he'd be able to > make it as well. I know it's rather late to change the time so I'll try > to be there at 13:00, but just so you all know we can't keep our times > straight today either (substract 6 hours for those over on the east coast :) Anything else to put on the agenda ? http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogApr29 -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi, Everybody ready for this afternoon? I could manage to work at home, today. So I won't get called away from my desk, like on friday. Regards, Tom From lac@strakt.com Mon Apr 29 10:24:05 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:24:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] irc chat today In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" of "Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:22:14 +0200." <3CCD10C6.EEB6E1D8@lemburg.com> References: <20020429080939.GB7220@vet.uu.nl> <3CCD10C6.EEB6E1D8@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <200204290924.g3T9O5kG026180@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I can't make it. I don't think that anybody needed me for anything, but if I am wrong -- mail me what you wanted to ask me and I will try to get you an answer before 1300. Laura From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 10:55:30 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:55:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] irc chat today References: <20020429080939.GB7220@vet.uu.nl> <3CCD10C6.EEB6E1D8@lemburg.com> <200204290924.g3T9O5kG026180@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <3CCD1892.DE88375D@lemburg.com> Laura Creighton wrote: > > I can't make it. I don't think that anybody needed me for anything, > but if I am wrong -- mail me what you wanted to ask me and I will > try to get you an answer before 1300. Looks like a good chance to get the title/abstract for your business talk(s) ;-) http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PythonInBusinessTrack -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 10:56:56 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:56:56 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] irc chat today References: <20020429080939.GB7220@vet.uu.nl> <3CCD10C6.EEB6E1D8@lemburg.com> <200204290924.g3T9O5kG026180@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <3CCD1892.DE88375D@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CCD18E8.A2E35CB@lemburg.com> Sorry, this wasn't supposed to go on the europython list. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > Laura Creighton wrote: > > > > I can't make it. I don't think that anybody needed me for anything, > > but if I am wrong -- mail me what you wanted to ask me and I will > > try to get you an answer before 1300. > > Looks like a good chance to get the title/abstract for your > business talk(s) ;-) > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PythonInBusinessTrack From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 11:07:38 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:07:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] NewConferenceTalks page removed Message-ID: <3CCD1B6A.6406FE3@lemburg.com> FYI, I've added the links from the NewConferenceTalks page back to the existing one. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <20020426222722.GA3206@vet.uu.nl> <3CCD0CCF.4D46262C@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c1ef67$56d45330$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Please, Tell me what I need to move over... I'm not sure what I can move over from the tracks, etc. Following was on my list, but I don't feel them as a 'Go' yet: 1. Online payment. We were discussing ShareIt, and an online payment of a customer of ours. I completely forgot about EuroZope possibility and I like this option. I've already mailed Joachim about if I could help to put this online as soon as possible. 2. Conference Track information. I've no idea about who will come or not. At the moment people told they would like to give a presentation, but we need to get and ask confirmations about it. (I thought this would start after we have a final decission concerning the time schedules on the chat). I know, my fault as well, since I'm helping the Zope Track and we don't know much about this Track as well. I hope all things will clear out at the chat or after the chat. 3. Time Schedules: I want to put them online, as soon as we know the final outcome (should be on the chat). With this we also put the catering information online 4. Floorplan with additional information : I'm not sure about the floorplan yet, I've asked Denis about this. And the extra information on the floorplan can only be done if we know how many exhibitors we have and how many simultanious tracks.... 5. Conference Sponsors: I've no idea who is sponsering or not.... I only know about Dexia. 6. People can now add news to the europython.org site. So if you've interesting news, then let's publish this! The old news page isn't finished yet and the news topic itself isn't formatted well. I asked Vincent for a design. I've asked on the list if people are interested in making the old news page during the weekend, since I had to spend some time with my family. But it looks like nobody was interested, so I'll probably do it when I've time... 7. I'm doing the best I can. If somebody wants some information on the web, then please go ahead and put it there, or ask me if I've the time to do it. In the last case, it will not always be put online that quickly, since I need to prepare some time for it. If somebody wants to help, just ask and you'll get a entry. The site at the moment is just a trivial mockup, so everybody would be able to add something. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Martijn Faassen" Cc: "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Wiki organization "New..." vs. old pages > Martijn Faassen wrote: > > > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > The current wiki setup is rather confusing with NewConferenceTrack > > > and NewConferenceTimetable pages being used instead of updating > > > the existing ones. > > > > > > Could someone please reintegrate the new stuff in the existing > > > pages so as not to confuse everybody ! (and then redirect from the > > > New* pages to the old existing ones; plus remove them from the > > > Frontpage) > > > > > > We can't afford any confusion at this stage of the project ! > > > > That's true; in case of the NewConferenceTrack I wanted a short > > simple index to the track information, but the NewConferenceTimeTable > > should overwrite the old one. I can add the NewConferenceTrack page > > contents to the top of the original one. > > Good. > > > We really need to do a wiki cleanup; without regular cleanups wikis > > tend to deteriorate. > > Rather than doing a cleanup, I'd rather like to see more information > moved from the wiki to the web site. The web-site is what people > look at, but it currently doesn't have enough information to > satisfy people and redirecting them to the wiki is bad PR. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 12:06:14 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:06:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki organization "New..." vs. old pages References: <3CC93E0A.A775AE4A@lemburg.com> <20020426222722.GA3206@vet.uu.nl> <3CCD0CCF.4D46262C@lemburg.com> <00cd01c1ef67$56d45330$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CCD2926.DF3344C3@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Please, > > Tell me what I need to move over... > I'm not sure what I can move over from the tracks, etc. > > Following was on my list, but I don't feel them as a 'Go' yet: > > 1. Online payment. We were discussing ShareIt, and an online payment of a > customer of ours. I completely forgot about EuroZope possibility and I like > this option. I've already mailed Joachim about if I could help to put this > online as soon as possible. > 2. Conference Track information. I've no idea about who will come or not. At > the moment people told they would like to give a presentation, but we need > to get and ask confirmations about it. (I thought this would start after we > have a final decission concerning the time schedules on the chat). I know, > my fault as well, since I'm helping the Zope Track and we don't know much > about this Track as well. I hope all things will clear out at the chat or > after the chat. I think that after the chat we know about which tracks we'll have. That information can then be moved to the web-site. As for specific talks: I think we should just give a rundown of the talk titles (subject to change) and finalize the web-pages after the first week of May. > 3. Time Schedules: I want to put them online, as soon as we know the final > outcome (should be on the chat). With this we also put the catering > information online Good. > 4. Floorplan with additional information : I'm not sure about the floorplan > yet, I've asked Denis about this. And the extra information on the floorplan > can only be done if we know how many exhibitors we have and how many > simultanious tracks.... I think you have this backwards: we need to know how many tracks we *can* run in parallel :-) I think 2-3 tacks in parallel is a good compromise and fits well with the number of rooms we have. > 5. Conference Sponsors: I've no idea who is sponsering or not.... I only > know about Dexia. What about Strakt ? > 6. People can now add news to the europython.org site. So if you've > interesting news, then let's publish this! The old news page isn't finished > yet and the news topic itself isn't formatted well. I asked Vincent for a > design. I've asked on the list if people are interested in making the old > news page during the weekend, since I had to spend some time with my family. > But it looks like nobody was interested, so I'll probably do it when I've > time... I'd suggest to let the press team take care of this and also to simply assign some work: people in the team have committed themselves to help out, so I suppose all you have to do, is ask them directly. > 7. I'm doing the best I can. And you're doing a great job ! > If somebody wants some information on the web, > then please go ahead and put it there, or ask me if I've the time to do it. > In the last case, it will not always be put online that quickly, since I > need to prepare some time for it. If somebody wants to help, just ask and > you'll get a entry. The site at the moment is just a trivial mockup, so > everybody would be able to add something. On the EuroPython management in general: I think we need to have regular meetings with one person of each team reporting to the others about their activities. Due to the short time frame we have left (less than two months), we also need to explicitly assign work to the teams and check back on them often. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From oli@aragne.com Mon Apr 29 12:07:37 2002 From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:07:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] NEWS Section In-Reply-To: <010901c1ed60$160675d0$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <010901c1ed60$160675d0$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020429110737.GB1323@debian> On ven, 26 avr 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > I've added a news section to the site. Thanks to Oliviers news product we > can now add news to the site. > > For this go to the news/newsItems folder and add a 'ANews Entry'. Fill in > the data... Through the properties you can add a summary, but I made it so > that when no summarry is given, the summary is just the first 100 > characters. (Olivier, perhaps something you can add to your product as a > functionality?) This functionality already exists. If you edit the properties without giving a summary, it retrieves the first 256 characters from the main news content. -- Olivier Laurent. P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" Hi, EuroPython channel is open!!! Please, hop by. Regards, Tom. From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon Apr 29 12:39:07 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:39:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki organization "New..." vs. old pages In-Reply-To: <3CCD0CCF.4D46262C@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > > We really need to do a wiki cleanup; without regular cleanups wikis > > tend to deteriorate. > > Rather than doing a cleanup, I'd rather like to see more information > moved from the wiki to the web site. The web-site is what people > look at, but it currently doesn't have enough information to > satisfy people and redirecting them to the wiki is bad PR. I think both are needed. As soon as we take decisions, info should be moved from the wiki to the web site. But the wiki *needs* to be cleaned, it's getting impossible to work with. No one knows where the stuff is... -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon Apr 29 13:01:15 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Sprints In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Now I know what you mean. I did not pick up on this before. I have > another idea: make it a roadshow. The "heroes of python" do one in > London, Stockholm, Paris, whatever, doing exactly what you say and > with exactly the focus you gave. It could be a one day event, with > the chance to grow into a bigger one with tutorials if there is > demand, giving a bunch of people a chance to meet up and maybe even > get travel expenses paid. The ACCU and the British Computer Society > would definitely put on such events and publicise them in the UK; > maybe magazines would because it makes a good story. I would just like to let people know that we are interested in this. Logilab has a training room in Paris where we could easily fit three to four pairs of programmers. We could for example set up a meeting with business people in the morning and get them to come back the next morning or two days later to have a look at the result. Ok, I'm going back to the europython IRC meeting, just keep in mind the we have a place in Paris already :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From guido@python.org Mon Apr 29 13:40:45 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:40:45 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki organization "New..." vs. old pages In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:05:19 +0200." <3CCD0CCF.4D46262C@lemburg.com> References: <3CC93E0A.A775AE4A@lemburg.com> <20020426222722.GA3206@vet.uu.nl> <3CCD0CCF.4D46262C@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <200204291240.g3TCej019237@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > Rather than doing a cleanup, I'd rather like to see more information > moved from the wiki to the web site. The web-site is what people > look at, but it currently doesn't have enough information to > satisfy people and redirecting them to the wiki is bad PR. Yes! Yes! Yes! --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Mon Apr 29 14:05:24 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:05:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] to all track chairmen Message-ID: <20020429130524.GB8638@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Track organizers, we need a short description of the tracks you're working on to put on the website. Please send along all stuff to this thread, I'll collect it all and create a web page. If no abstract of your track is forthcoming soon, I'll make something up instead, which may not be what you want. :) Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 14:25:37 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:25:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting log & summary Message-ID: <3CCD49D1.FAEBBAF1@lemburg.com> ... are available here: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogApr29 I think we've managed to make good ground in this meeting. We'll have these regularly from now on each Monday at 15:00 UTC on #europython @ irc.openprojects.net. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Are the people who told they would like to help on the website, still available? Please raise your hand if so! Tom. From Tom Deprez" <3CCD5A8E.2080900@zope.com> Message-ID: <01e601c1ef8e$4d435f60$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Thanks Paul, Since you didn't yet had an account I made you manager of the EuroPython site. To all people who volunteerd for working on the website: As told on the IRC chat: We should create the following content as soon as possible: 1. Online Payment (I'm waiting on email response by Joachim to see how we can incorporate this) 2. The Conference Time Schedule on: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/NewConferenceTimeTable/backlinks 3. The Conference Track information http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks/backlinks 4. A page which summarizes all the different tracks (chairman will post a summarization on the list, ie what the Track is about) 5. A News page which iterates over all old news. The EuroPython site is very straight forward. It shouldn't be too difficult to add content to the site. If you've questions, let me know I hope Vincent can help us to make the new pages look nicer (Vincent?) Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Everitt" To: "Tom Deprez" Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] website people > > > > --Paul > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Are the people who told they would like to help on the website, still > > available? > > Please raise your hand if so! > > > > Tom. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > From lac@strakt.com Mon Apr 29 19:17:17 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:17:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Problem with http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ListOfPeople Message-ID: <200204291817.g3TIHHa1028234@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I want to put in the revised description of Jacob Hallén. But when I click on his name I get sent immediately to www.europython.org front page. What do I do now? Laura Creighton From Juergen Hermann" OK, here's the detailed talks. Someone put those on the right track. (pun intended ;) Lightning talk or 25min: "MoinMoin - Lessons learned in a Python OS project" Going from a 600 line CGI script to a 11000 lines application, evolving over two years, MoinMoin is still manageable due to modularization and its plugin architecture. During that time, some of the initial decisions remained right, some less so. 25 or 35 min: "Integrating Python into a high-performance web platform" Using Python in a high-load web environment (~400 linux servers, 600+ million page hits a month, ~10 million registered users) poses special challenges, but it makes an ideal companion to other (mostly open-source) products & technologies (GNU/Linux, Apache, MICO (CORBA), Xerces/Xalan, Oracle). The talk will highlight some of the benefits and trade-offs of using Python in such an environment. Bio: J=FCrgen Hermann works for WEB.DE AG. His team integrates Python into WEB.DE's technology platform and provides internal consultancy. Before that, he worked on B2B/B2C e-commerce solutions since 1995. Ciao, J=FCrgen From mal@lemburg.com Mon Apr 29 21:13:00 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:13:00 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] people I've sent mail References: Message-ID: <3CCDA94C.6026402A@lemburg.com> Juergen Hermann wrote: >=20 > OK, here's the detailed talks. Someone put those on the right track. > (pun intended ;) Ok, here's what I make of it... > Lightning talk or 25min: >=20 > "MoinMoin - Lessons learned in a Python OS project" >=20 > Going from a 600 line CGI script to a 11000 lines application, > evolving over two years, MoinMoin is still manageable due to > modularization and its plugin architecture. During that time, some of > the initial decisions remained right, some less so. This one sounds ideal for the Python Applications track. =20 > 25 or 35 min: >=20 > "Integrating Python into a high-performance web platform" >=20 > Using Python in a high-load web environment (~400 linux servers, 600+ > million page hits a month, ~10 million registered users) poses > special challenges, but it makes an ideal companion to other (mostly > open-source) products & technologies (GNU/Linux, Apache, MICO (CORBA), > Xerces/Xalan, Oracle). The talk will highlight some of the benefits > and trade-offs of using Python in such an environment. This would fit nicely into the standard Python/Jython track. > Bio: > J=FCrgen Hermann works for WEB.DE AG. His team integrates Python into > WEB.DE's technology platform and provides internal consultancy. > Before that, he worked on B2B/B2C e-commerce solutions since 1995. Looking forward to meet you at the conference, --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Mon Apr 29 21:56:35 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:56:35 +0200 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] website people In-Reply-To: <01a101c1ef89$f7fcc360$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: I cannot help myself, but I have 25% percent free web design resource (Dreamweaver, a bit experience with ZOPE). Is there a job list? Andrew > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: europython-admin@python.org [mailto:europython-admin@python.org]Im > Auftrag von Tom Deprez > Gesendet: Montag, 29. April 2002 16:27 > An: europython@python.org > Betreff: [EuroPython] website people > > > Hi all, > > Are the people who told they would like to help on the website, still > available? > Please raise your hand if so! > > Tom. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From js@aixtraware.de Tue Apr 30 09:44:18 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:44:18 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> Hi, first of all, I am this week on a bussiness trip, so my online presence is a little bit limited. "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > Nope, > > > > EuroZope payment option is the way to go I think. It is already working so > > it is easely set up. > > I never dared to ask, because it was so quiet. > > If I calculated correctly we had following costs on each ticket for using > > ShareIt: > > > > 13,42 Euro (normal) > > 11,42 Euro (bird) > > 7,4 Euro (student) > > > > monthly cost > > > > + 2 Euro for the monthly bank transfert. > > > > So,.... it isn't cheap.... EuroZope looks much cheaper. > > Just make sure you get the accounting right. Otherwise, > you'll end up in an organizational mess. > > You should also make sure that you have all payment data > readily available on the first day of the conference and > to switch off the online payment option the day before > (or even earlier), so you can make sure that the money > has actually been tranferred to the P3B bank account. > > > Joachim, how difficult is it to make a EuroPython ticket page through > > EuroZope? > > Some other questions: > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled > certificate) yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can provide a secure server, we can run this there. > * How do you handle refunds (e.g. person can't come for some > reason) ? This is one of the questions which have to be answered, others in this category are: * What taxes in which country are involved ? * with which party does the person, who registers, make a contract ? > * What other costs are involved in using EuroZope's system ? > (e.g. bank transfer costs, managing the account, payment > of EuroZope as provider etc.) There are no additional costs involved, but you must take in account, that it takes up to 30 days until the money is transfered from the Creditcard company to our account. cheers Joachim From mal@lemburg.com Tue Apr 30 12:58:37 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:58:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> Message-ID: <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> Hi Joachim, please see the IRC meeting notes about this: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogApr29 We decided to set a deadline for this: Wednesday. In summary, I don't think we can start with EuroZope's payment system, since there's simply no time for setting things up correctly. We could still switch over to it later on in the process, though, if needed. > first of all, I am this week on a bussiness trip, so my online presence > is a little bit limited. > > "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > > Nope, > > > > > > EuroZope payment option is the way to go I think. It is already working so > > > it is easely set up. > > > I never dared to ask, because it was so quiet. > > > If I calculated correctly we had following costs on each ticket for using > > > ShareIt: > > > > > > 13,42 Euro (normal) > > > 11,42 Euro (bird) > > > 7,4 Euro (student) > > > > > > monthly cost > > > > > > + 2 Euro for the monthly bank transfert. > > > > > > So,.... it isn't cheap.... EuroZope looks much cheaper. > > > > Just make sure you get the accounting right. Otherwise, > > you'll end up in an organizational mess. > > > > You should also make sure that you have all payment data > > readily available on the first day of the conference and > > to switch off the online payment option the day before > > (or even earlier), so you can make sure that the money > > has actually been tranferred to the P3B bank account. > > > > > Joachim, how difficult is it to make a EuroPython ticket page through > > > EuroZope? > > > > Some other questions: > > > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled > > certificate) > yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can provide a secure > server, we can run this there. That's what I feared. I'm afraid that we don't have time to setup secure server with a browser compatible certificate within two days. > > * How do you handle refunds (e.g. person can't come for some > > reason) ? > > This is one of the questions which have to be answered, others in this > category are: > > * What taxes in which country are involved ? Since P3B is running the conference, Belgium VAT would apply (21%). I just hope that P3B has an EU VAT ID... It doesn't matter from where the person registers. > * with which party does the person, who registers, make a contract ? This should be P3B. > > * What other costs are involved in using EuroZope's system ? > > (e.g. bank transfer costs, managing the account, payment > > of EuroZope as provider etc.) > > There are no additional costs involved, but you must take in account, > that it takes up to 30 days until the money is transfered from the > Creditcard company to our account. I think that's the way it goes with most providers. We have to be very aware of this since it affects the budget we can use for upfront costs. That's also the reason why we have to setup the payment system *fast*. I'd still suggest using ShareIT (even though it probably sounds like I'm a ShareIT sales person by now ;-). They have everything we need in place and you can be up and running within an hour (including sending in the fax with the account information). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From lac@strakt.com Tue Apr 30 13:03:54 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:03:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" of "Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:58:37 +0200." <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <200204301203.g3UC3tkG032686@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > I'd still suggest using ShareIT (even though it probably > sounds like I'm a ShareIT sales person by now ;-). They have > everything we need in place and you can be up and running > within an hour (including sending in the fax with the account > information). > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ I can't recall a single argument against doing this. Why aren't we doing this already? Whose agreement do you need? Laura Creighton From Tom Deprez" <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <053201c1f03f$adc21c30$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi Joachim, > > please see the IRC meeting notes about this: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogApr29 > > We decided to set a deadline for this: Wednesday. In summary, > I don't think we can start with EuroZope's payment system, > since there's simply no time for setting things up correctly. > > We could still switch over to it later on in the process, > though, if needed. > > > first of all, I am this week on a bussiness trip, so my online presence > > is a little bit limited. > > > > "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > > > > > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > > > > Nope, > > > > > > > > EuroZope payment option is the way to go I think. It is already working so > > > > it is easely set up. > > > > I never dared to ask, because it was so quiet. > > > > If I calculated correctly we had following costs on each ticket for using > > > > ShareIt: > > > > > > > > 13,42 Euro (normal) > > > > 11,42 Euro (bird) > > > > 7,4 Euro (student) > > > > > > > > monthly cost > > > > > > > > + 2 Euro for the monthly bank transfert. > > > > > > > > So,.... it isn't cheap.... EuroZope looks much cheaper. > > > > > > Just make sure you get the accounting right. Otherwise, > > > you'll end up in an organizational mess. > > > > > > You should also make sure that you have all payment data > > > readily available on the first day of the conference and > > > to switch off the online payment option the day before > > > (or even earlier), so you can make sure that the money > > > has actually been tranferred to the P3B bank account. > > > > > > > Joachim, how difficult is it to make a EuroPython ticket page through > > > > EuroZope? > > > > > > Some other questions: > > > > > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled > > > certificate) > > yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can provide a secure > > server, we can run this there. > > That's what I feared. I'm afraid that we don't have time > to setup secure server with a browser compatible certificate > within two days. > > > > * How do you handle refunds (e.g. person can't come for some > > > reason) ? > > > > This is one of the questions which have to be answered, others in this > > category are: > > > > * What taxes in which country are involved ? > > Since P3B is running the conference, Belgium VAT would > apply (21%). I just hope that P3B has an EU VAT ID... > > It doesn't matter from where the person registers. > > > * with which party does the person, who registers, make a contract ? > > This should be P3B. > > > > * What other costs are involved in using EuroZope's system ? > > > (e.g. bank transfer costs, managing the account, payment > > > of EuroZope as provider etc.) > > > > There are no additional costs involved, but you must take in account, > > that it takes up to 30 days until the money is transfered from the > > Creditcard company to our account. > > I think that's the way it goes with most providers. We have > to be very aware of this since it affects the budget we can > use for upfront costs. > > That's also the reason why we have to setup the payment > system *fast*. > > I'd still suggest using ShareIT (even though it probably > sounds like I'm a ShareIT sales person by now ;-). They have > everything we need in place and you can be up and running > within an hour (including sending in the fax with the account > information). mmm, yes, it looks like we'll run out of time for using the EuroZope payment method. Although I don't like the costs per transaction, I think we better go with ShareIT.... Please, others, give us your decision. If all people voted concerning this subject: Marc-Andre, since it looks that you've the most experience with ShareIT, would it be possible to set up an account? Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> <200204301203.g3UC3tkG032686@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <058e01c1f049$021f7760$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > I'd still suggest using ShareIT (even though it probably > > sounds like I'm a ShareIT sales person by now ;-). They have > > everything we need in place and you can be up and running > > within an hour (including sending in the fax with the account > > information). > > > > -- > > Marc-Andre Lemburg > > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > I can't recall a single argument against doing this. Why aren't we > doing this already? Whose agreement do you need? > No arguments against it. We were just looking for alternatives, but it seems that other alternatives would even cost more or will not be ready at time. Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Tue Apr 30 14:40:37 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:40:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> <053201c1f03f$adc21c30$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CCE9ED5.A598AA78@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > mmm, yes, it looks like we'll run out of time for using the EuroZope payment > method. > Although I don't like the costs per transaction, I think we better go with > ShareIT.... > Please, others, give us your decision. > If all people voted concerning this subject: > Marc-Andre, since it looks that you've the most experience with ShareIT, > would it be possible to set up an account? I can help if you run into trouble, but the account has to be opened by someone from P3B for legal reasons (also, I don't have the p3b company details). https://secure.element5.com/shareit/signup.html (note: you should not allow payment by purchase order and you should tick "money transfer" as payment option since this is the most secure way of receiving the monthly payment) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From denis@aragne.com Tue Apr 30 14:52:47 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:52:47 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: <200204301203.g3UC3tkG032686@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> <200204301203.g3UC3tkG032686@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20020430155247.B15643@carolo.net> Le Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 02:03:54PM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota: > > I can't recall a single argument against doing this. Why aren't > we doing this already? I would have liked to work hand in hand with EuroZope, instead of using a 'hack' like ShareIT. Python and Zope are closely related, we should have answered Joachim proposal in February, at least. > Whose agreement do you need? An earlier consensual decision would have been nice. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> <200204301203.g3UC3tkG032686@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20020430155247.B15643@carolo.net> Message-ID: <065401c1f051$81d483d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > I can't recall a single argument against doing this. Why aren't > > we doing this already? > > I would have liked to work hand in hand with EuroZope, instead of using > a 'hack' like ShareIT. Python and Zope are closely related, we should > have answered Joachim proposal in February, at least. Yes, I'm sorry, I must have missed that proposal and I didn't thought on the payment system of EuroZope myself. We were too focussed on looking at other possibilities. So, we are now too late. > > Whose agreement do you need? > An earlier consensual decision would have been nice. Yes, but, unfortunately, we didn't made a decision and now the time is running. I would also have loved more people joined these kind of decisions, because then more ideas would be looked at. Or at least told what they liked or didn't liked. I'm not sure, but I'm afraid we don't have the time anymore to go with the EuroZope payment system. Or Joachim would find the time to give us a quick demo. On the other hand I also understand that people will be very suspicious if the authentication isn't correct... I don't know how quickly SSL can be set up on the EuroPython.org. (I hope the owners of the server can respond to this?), so if we aren't sure this is possible ... At the chat, we've set the deadline to be wednessday, just because we need it to move forward. We can't wait too much longer. Tom. From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Tue Apr 30 15:28:26 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:28:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <1020176906.3cceaa0aefc6c@webmail.in-berlin.de> "M.-A. Lemburg" : > I'd still suggest using ShareIT (even though it probably > sounds like I'm a ShareIT sales person by now ;-). They have > everything we need in place and you can be up and running > within an hour (including sending in the fax with the account > information). I know ShareIt works well and within an hour or so. And I'm surprised nothing is happening on this front! The single most embarassing reason for cancelling a conference is not being able to collect people's cash, isn't it? ;-) Dinu From Tom Deprez" <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> Message-ID: <011e01c1f073$788964e0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled > > certificate) yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can provide a secure > server, we can run this there. I forwarded this one to the maintainers of the EuroPython server. Further I've asked the contact information,etc of P3B to denis, so that we can make a Kagi account. If later on, we manage to have the payment through EuroZope, it's even better, but meanwhile we can accept payments through Kagi. Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Tue Apr 30 20:14:28 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:14:28 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <011e01c1f073$788964e0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CCEED14.A23E5FE9@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled > > > certificate) yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can > provide a secure > > server, we can run this there. > > I forwarded this one to the maintainers of the EuroPython server. > > Further I've asked the contact information,etc of P3B to denis, so that we > can make a Kagi account. > If later on, we manage to have the payment through EuroZope, it's even > better, but meanwhile we can accept payments through Kagi. Just a note: Why are you now talking about Kagi ? They are much more expensive than ShareIT: http://www.kagi.com/features/ Also, ShareIT is a EU-company based in Cologne, unlike Kagi which is a US company in the SF Bay Area. You'll run into VAT problems that way (and you don't want to do that...). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Tue Apr 30 20:32:20 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:32:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <011e01c1f073$788964e0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCEED14.A23E5FE9@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <019001c1f07d$c00e85c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Rust, sorry! I meant ShareIT.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] payment provider > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled > > > > certificate) yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can > > provide a secure > > > server, we can run this there. > > > > I forwarded this one to the maintainers of the EuroPython server. > > > > Further I've asked the contact information,etc of P3B to denis, so that we > > can make a Kagi account. > > If later on, we manage to have the payment through EuroZope, it's even > > better, but meanwhile we can accept payments through Kagi. > > Just a note: Why are you now talking about Kagi ? > They are much more expensive than ShareIT: > > http://www.kagi.com/features/ > > Also, ShareIT is a EU-company based in Cologne, unlike Kagi > which is a US company in the SF Bay Area. > > You'll run into VAT problems that way (and you don't want > to do that...). > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Apr 30 22:23:50 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:23:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] people I've sent mail In-Reply-To: <3CCDA94C.6026402A@lemburg.com> References: <3CCDA94C.6026402A@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020430212350.GA12204@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Ok, here's what I make of it... > > > Lightning talk or 25min: > > > > "MoinMoin - Lessons learned in a Python OS project" [snip] > > the initial decisions remained right, some less so. > > This one sounds ideal for the Python Applications track. > > > 25 or 35 min: > > > > "Integrating Python into a high-performance web platform" [snip] > This would fit nicely into the standard Python/Jython track. Agreed with Marc-Andre's assessment. Cool! Would you be available to give both talks if we can get this to work out with the schedule? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Apr 30 22:32:12 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:32:12 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: <053201c1f03f$adc21c30$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <3CCE86ED.B39297CC@lemburg.com> <053201c1f03f$adc21c30$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020430213212.GB12204@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: [snip] > mmm, yes, it looks like we'll run out of time for using the EuroZope payment > method. > Although I don't like the costs per transaction, I think we better go with > ShareIT.... > Please, others, give us your decision. Let's go with ShareIT (for now then). The one concern is that their messages talk about software, and we are talking about a conference; so we should make our messages are clear about that possible, so that people know that when they buy EuroPython they're not buying the softwares. :) Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Apr 30 22:34:13 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:34:13 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider In-Reply-To: <011e01c1f073$788964e0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <011e01c1f073$788964e0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020430213413.GC12204@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled > > > certificate) yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can > provide a secure > > server, we can run this there. > > I forwarded this one to the maintainers of the EuroPython server. > > Further I've asked the contact information,etc of P3B to denis, so that we > can make a Kagi account. > If later on, we manage to have the payment through EuroZope, it's even > better, but meanwhile we can accept payments through Kagi. I'm completely confused now. I thought we were going with ShareIt, and now I see you talk about Kagi... Regards, Martijn