From Glenn.Bald at forestry.gsi.gov.uk Tue Sep 3 12:29:21 2013 From: Glenn.Bald at forestry.gsi.gov.uk (Bald, Glenn) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:29:21 +0100 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE Message-ID: Hi All, Sorry if this has all been asked before, I am new. I am also fairly new to python and will be using for GIS automation. Can anyone recommend a good training course ideally either in easy reach of Edinburgh or in central London? What IDE's are people using? Cheers Glenn +++++ The Forestry Commission's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried out on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. +++++ The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free From jason.keddie at st.com Tue Sep 3 14:36:54 2013 From: jason.keddie at st.com (Jason KEDDIE) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:36:54 +0200 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn I would recommend using Notepad++ as the IDE. Regarding training, there is plenty of stuff online for free with no need to ever spend a penny! Regards Jason -----Original Message----- From: Edinburgh [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+jason.keddie=st.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Bald, Glenn Sent: 03 September 2013 11:29 To: edinburgh at python.org Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE Hi All, Sorry if this has all been asked before, I am new. I am also fairly new to python and will be using for GIS automation. Can anyone recommend a good training course ideally either in easy reach of Edinburgh or in central London? What IDE's are people using? Cheers Glenn +++++ The Forestry Commission's computer systems may be monitored and +++++ communications carried out on them recorded, to secure the +++++ effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. +++++ +++++ The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh From jcspray at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 15:22:14 2013 From: jcspray at gmail.com (John Spray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:22:14 +0100 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Training: I'm not aware of any, though would be interested to see what others can recommend. For an online resource I suggest the excellent "Dive into Python". IDE: pycharm is exceptionally good: * easy to bootstrap new people because it works out of the box (unlike text editor + addons approach) * highlights style violations as you go * flexible autocompletion that copes with the ambiguities that arise in dynamic languages * seamless integration with virtualenv * I use this for a 50k line project and it's consistently snappy. Cheers John On 3 Sep 2013 11:56, "Bald, Glenn" wrote: > Hi All, > > Sorry if this has all been asked before, I am new. I am also fairly new > to python and will be using for GIS automation. > > Can anyone recommend a good training course ideally either in easy reach > of Edinburgh or in central London? > > What IDE's are people using? > > Cheers > Glenn > > +++++ The Forestry Commission's computer systems may be monitored and > communications carried out on them recorded, to secure the effective > operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. +++++ > > The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government > Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable > & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. > > On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Magnus.Hagdorn at marsupium.org Tue Sep 3 15:26:32 2013 From: Magnus.Hagdorn at marsupium.org (Magnus Hagdorn) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:26:32 +0100 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5225E388.2010700@marsupium.org> On 03/09/13 11:29, Bald, Glenn wrote: > Hi All, > > Sorry if this has all been asked before, I am new. I am also fairly new > to python and will be using for GIS automation. > > Can anyone recommend a good training course ideally either in easy reach > of Edinburgh or in central London? > > What IDE's are people using? > > Hi Glenn, personally, I use emacs and am very happy with it. But if you want to use an IDE, then I can recommend spyder [1] which gives you a Matlab like environment. A lot of our python users use it, in particular for data analysis. On windows you can get spyder along with python(x,y) [2], on Linux it is usually packaged. You can also get it for the Mac. As an introduction I would work through the online python tutorial [3]. Then, depending on what you want to do, find other instructions. Stack overflow [4] is pretty good. What are you looking for in a python course? I run a half-day intro workshop which focuses on using python for data plotting at the University of Edinburgh. This year I will also run an intro to object oriented programming in python. What GIS are you planning to use? We have people use ArcGIS, GRASS and Qantum GIS. Cheers magnus [1] http://code.google.com/p/spyderlib/ [2] https://code.google.com/p/pythonxy/ [3] http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/index.html [4] http://stackoverflow.com/ From mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk Tue Sep 3 16:14:09 2013 From: mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:14:09 +0100 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE In-Reply-To: <5225E388.2010700@marsupium.org> References: <5225E388.2010700@marsupium.org> Message-ID: Hi Glenn, Welcome to the group! If you ask what IDE people use, you'll end up with nearly as many different answers as there are people! I use PyCharm mostly myself, although a syntax-highlighting text editor such as Notepad++ on Windows, or Sublime Text (or Vim or Emacs) is often fine for smaller projects. I've been running a 3-day Python training course for about 4 years now, but usually with about 10 people attending, so it's more geared towards companies than individuals. Is the course just for you or for a group? I'm really interested to know what you're using Python for - are you allowed to discuss the project openly? --Mark On 3 September 2013 14:26, Magnus Hagdorn wrote: > On 03/09/13 11:29, Bald, Glenn wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Sorry if this has all been asked before, I am new. I am also fairly new >> to python and will be using for GIS automation. >> >> Can anyone recommend a good training course ideally either in easy reach >> of Edinburgh or in central London? >> >> What IDE's are people using? >> >> >> > Hi Glenn, > personally, I use emacs and am very happy with it. But if you want to use > an IDE, then I can recommend spyder [1] which gives you a Matlab like > environment. A lot of our python users use it, in particular for data > analysis. On windows you can get spyder along with python(x,y) [2], on > Linux it is usually packaged. You can also get it for the Mac. > > As an introduction I would work through the online python tutorial [3]. > Then, depending on what you want to do, find other instructions. Stack > overflow [4] is pretty good. > > What are you looking for in a python course? I run a half-day intro > workshop which focuses on using python for data plotting at the University > of Edinburgh. This year I will also run an intro to object oriented > programming in python. > > What GIS are you planning to use? We have people use ArcGIS, GRASS and > Qantum GIS. > > Cheers > magnus > > > [1] http://code.google.com/p/**spyderlib/ > [2] https://code.google.com/p/**pythonxy/ > [3] http://docs.python.org/2/**tutorial/index.html > [4] http://stackoverflow.com/ > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at alexbird.co.uk Tue Sep 3 16:52:43 2013 From: alex at alexbird.co.uk (Alex Bird) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:52:43 +0100 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn, I'm another vote for PyCharm. I used SciTE (windows) and Sublime Text 2 (mac), both text editors, until quite recently, and my productivity is *so*much higher with PyCharm. Good luck choosing! On 3 September 2013 11:29, Bald, Glenn wrote: > Hi All, > > Sorry if this has all been asked before, I am new. I am also fairly new > to python and will be using for GIS automation. > > Can anyone recommend a good training course ideally either in easy reach > of Edinburgh or in central London? > > What IDE's are people using? > > Cheers > Glenn > > +++++ The Forestry Commission's computer systems may be monitored and > communications carried out on them recorded, to secure the effective > operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. +++++ > > The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government > Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable > & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. > > On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > -- Sent from my fur lined mountain lair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glenn.Bald at forestry.gsi.gov.uk Tue Sep 3 15:15:41 2013 From: Glenn.Bald at forestry.gsi.gov.uk (Bald, Glenn) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:15:41 +0100 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE References: Message-ID: Hi Jason, Thanks for the message. I do like to use notepad++ for somethings. But I like to have access to code completion. It's as much to make sure I have libaries imported as much as anything. I can't seem to get cx_oracle to import. Is there a python plugin for notepad++ For training yes there is a few good online resources, but I was looking for a fast track option. I need to pick up a few languages fairly quickly. I am mainly looking at database queries. Cheers Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Edinburgh [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+glenn.bald=forestry.gsi.gov.uk at python.org] On Behalf Of Jason KEDDIE Sent: 03 September 2013 13:37 To: Python Edinburgh Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE Hi Glenn I would recommend using Notepad++ as the IDE. Regarding training, there is plenty of stuff online for free with no need to ever spend a penny! Regards Jason -----Original Message----- From: Edinburgh [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+jason.keddie=st.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Bald, Glenn Sent: 03 September 2013 11:29 To: edinburgh at python.org Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE Hi All, Sorry if this has all been asked before, I am new. I am also fairly new to python and will be using for GIS automation. Can anyone recommend a good training course ideally either in easy reach of Edinburgh or in central London? What IDE's are people using? Cheers Glenn +++++ The Forestry Commission's computer systems may be monitored and +++++ communications carried out on them recorded, to secure the +++++ effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. +++++ +++++ The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh +++++ The Forestry Commission's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried out on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. +++++ The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free From jason.keddie at st.com Wed Sep 4 10:54:33 2013 From: jason.keddie at st.com (Jason KEDDIE) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:54:33 +0200 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn Yes, I prefer code completion myself, particularly for languages like C++ and Java but oddly have never really needed it for Python. Notepad++ supports code completion, but as I say, have never used it myself: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/893761/how-can-i-enable-auto-complete-support-in-notepad Regarding training: I have had to fast track languages in the past myself and have always done this using online resources. For example I wanted to learn Flash Actionscript a couple of years ago and I found the Adobe training videos very good as I was able to take it at my own pace, skipping some sections, or replaying other ones. This is the advantage I think of learning online. Everyone is different in this respect and some people feel more comfortable with class room learning. In this case I think Mark Smith offers a nicely paced introductory course on Python. Regards Jason -----Original Message----- From: Edinburgh [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+jason.keddie=st.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Bald, Glenn Sent: 03 September 2013 14:16 To: Python Edinburgh Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE Hi Jason, Thanks for the message. I do like to use notepad++ for somethings. But I like to have access to code completion. It's as much to make sure I have libaries imported as much as anything. I can't seem to get cx_oracle to import. Is there a python plugin for notepad++ For training yes there is a few good online resources, but I was looking for a fast track option. I need to pick up a few languages fairly quickly. I am mainly looking at database queries. Cheers Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Edinburgh [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+glenn.bald=forestry.gsi.gov.uk at python.org] On Behalf Of Jason KEDDIE Sent: 03 September 2013 13:37 To: Python Edinburgh Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE Hi Glenn I would recommend using Notepad++ as the IDE. Regarding training, there is plenty of stuff online for free with no need to ever spend a penny! Regards Jason -----Original Message----- From: Edinburgh [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+jason.keddie=st.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Bald, Glenn Sent: 03 September 2013 11:29 To: edinburgh at python.org Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Training and IDE Hi All, Sorry if this has all been asked before, I am new. I am also fairly new to python and will be using for GIS automation. Can anyone recommend a good training course ideally either in easy reach of Edinburgh or in central London? What IDE's are people using? Cheers Glenn +++++ The Forestry Commission's computer systems may be monitored and +++++ communications carried out on them recorded, to secure the +++++ effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. +++++ +++++ The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. 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