From dougal85 at gmail.com Sat Nov 6 09:39:38 2010 From: dougal85 at gmail.com (Dougal Matthews) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 08:39:38 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Introduction In-Reply-To: <49f5baa4-77c6-4970-a860-068045199687@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> References: <225b180d-ab63-468a-b783-d53b7cdc2424@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <75e28671-471f-44b8-8f34-80aac2fb0b2e@v28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <49f5baa4-77c6-4970-a860-068045199687@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: We have a wide range of abilities in the group from those who use python every day at work to people that are just starting out. I would guess we all use programming professionally one way or another but don't worry, all abilities will fit in. Dougal p.s. I've copied this to the new list. On 5 Nov 2010 18:37, "Wiki-Wah" wrote: > Thanks for the welcome Mark. I'll take a look at the pythonedinburgh > site. > > Are most of the people on here professional programmers, or a mix of > various levels? > > Certainly plenty of public houses down this way ;) > > Cheers, > > Paul > > On Nov 5, 5:19 pm, Mark Smith > wrote: >> Hi Paul, >> >> Welcome to the community! >> >> You'll notice the Scotland-PUG mailing list is not too active. We've >> actually moved - the list's email address is now edinbu... at python.org, >> which we thought was pretty cool, although we're not too happy with >> the pipermail archives at python.org. The 'Scotland' tag seemed a >> little too ambitious for a group that only managed to successfully >> meet up once, in Edinburgh (We've managed another 4 meetups in the >> last 3 months since restarting the group) >> >> Currently all announcements regarding meetups are posted to both >> lists, but the (current) plan is to drop the google group after a >> while, but it's possible we'll decide not to. >> >> You can find information on how to sign up at: http://www.pythonedinburgh.org/ >> >> If you're on the West-coast, you might find it a bit difficult to come >> to one of our Edinburgh pub meetups, although you'll always be welcome >> if you turn up! In the meantime, feel free to use the mailing list to >> post questions; highlight interesting developments; look for, or >> offer, work; and generally post anything you think the group would be >> interested in. Perhaps you could set up a competing group more >> locally, and then we could come visit you :-) >> >> --Mark >> >> On Nov 5, 4:48 pm, Wiki-Wah wrote: >> >> > Hi all. I'd just like to introduce myself to the group. I've been >> > hunting for a Scottish Python group for a wee while, just to get >> > involved a bit in the Python community and seem to have come across >> > the right group....... even though I'm out on the West coast :-P >> > (don't hold it against me!) >> >> > I'm a bit of a newbie to the language, although did work a bit with C >> > and Fortran in a previous life. I'm working my way through Michael >> > Dawsons book, "Python for the Absolute Beginner" at the moment. I'm >> > an engineer during the day, and would like to develop some >> > applications for work and home to try and improve certain aspects of >> > the job. I probably won't be able to contribute quite as much as the >> > more experienced folks on here, but I'll be reading the posts and try >> > to add my thoughts where I can! >> >> > Cheers! >> >> > Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk Mon Nov 8 11:03:37 2010 From: mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:03:37 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Git rebasing (and other stuff) Message-ID: At the Python Hack Day, John explained Git rebasing to me, and I thought 'hey, that's kinda cool,' but I wasn't sure why I would actually use it in anger. Someone at work just mailed a link to the following slideshow that explains it *very* clearly: http://perl.plover.com/yak/git/ I'm gradually starting to feel like I understand what Git's doing, and that's making me feel a bit more comfortable. --Mark PS: Of course, given that we're Python people, we really should be using Mercurial or Bazaar. From derek.hoy at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 11:50:41 2010 From: derek.hoy at gmail.com (Derek Hoy) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:50:41 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Git rebasing (and other stuff) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "It is easy to shoot your foot off with git, but also easy to revert to a previous foot and merge it with your current leg." http://perl.plover.com/classes/git/samples/slide034.html Still hurts though. Derek On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > At the Python Hack Day, John explained Git rebasing to me, and I > thought 'hey, that's kinda cool,' but I wasn't sure why I would > actually use it in anger. > > Someone at work just mailed a link to the following slideshow that > explains it *very* clearly: http://perl.plover.com/yak/git/ > > I'm gradually starting to feel like I understand what Git's doing, and > that's making me feel a bit more comfortable. > > --Mark > > PS: Of course, given that we're Python people, we really should be > using Mercurial or Bazaar. > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > From dougal85 at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 12:29:31 2010 From: dougal85 at gmail.com (Dougal Matthews) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:29:31 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_?=Git rebasing (and other stuff) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Monday, 8 November 2010 at 10:03, Mark Smith wrote: PS: Of course, given that we're Python people, we really should beusing Mercurial or Bazaar.Just to be difficult? :)I do wonder how much of mercurial or bazaar is written in Python. All three have C in common for the core implementation AFAIK.Dougal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk Mon Nov 8 12:33:04 2010 From: mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:33:04 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Git rebasing (and other stuff) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bazaar can be run as pure python, but there is a C extension that speeds it up. Cynic ;-) --Mark On 8 November 2010 11:29, Dougal Matthews wrote: > On Monday, 8 November 2010 at 10:03, Mark Smith wrote: > > PS: Of course, given that we're Python people, we really should be > using Mercurial or Bazaar. > > Just to be difficult? :) > I do wonder how much of mercurial or bazaar is written in Python. All three > have C in common for the core implementation AFAIK. > Dougal > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > From akumria at acm.org Mon Nov 8 12:41:22 2010 From: akumria at acm.org (Anand Kumria) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:41:22 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Git rebasing (and other stuff) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mark Smith < mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk> wrote: > At the Python Hack Day, John explained Git rebasing to me, and I > thought 'hey, that's kinda cool,' but I wasn't sure why I would > actually use it in anger. > Amongst all the over things to be aware of, rebase can mean that you have never actually tested this particular incarnation of the code. But we all use test suites, so we can be sure to assuage our consciousnesses. 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URL: From mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk Mon Nov 8 14:57:35 2010 From: mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Git rebasing (and other stuff) In-Reply-To: <328EB958304F4B949DDA677A055F52FF@gmail.com> References: <328EB958304F4B949DDA677A055F52FF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Now that is a truly awesome feature! Any more git awesomeness I should be aware of? Is it worth me buying a book? -- I find git learning documentation to be fragmented... --Mark On 8 November 2010 11:39, Dougal Matthews wrote: > On Monday, 8 November 2010 at 10:50, Derek Hoy wrote: > > "It is easy to shoot your foot off with git, > but also easy to revert to a previous foot and merge it with your current > leg." > > It's unfortunate that they didn't manage to fit bisect[1] into that analogy. > Dougal > [1]:?http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-bisect.html > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > From dougal85 at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 15:41:03 2010 From: dougal85 at gmail.com (Dougal Matthews) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:41:03 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_?=Git rebasing (and other stuff) In-Reply-To: References: <328EB958304F4B949DDA677A055F52FF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <773AA5D7EE3B428CA153A8D51F7AECE7@gmail.com> I don't know if any of the books are worth it as I've never read any. I've learnt almost all of my git knowledge though experimentation and learning from others (hello Django community).git cherry-pick[1] is cool/useful.Dougal [1]:?http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-cherry-pick.html--?Dougal Matthewswww.dougalmatthews.comwww.twitter.com/d0ugal On Monday, 8 November 2010 at 13:57, Mark Smith wrote: Now that is a truly awesome feature!Any more git awesomeness I should be aware of? Is it worth me buying abook? -- I find git learning documentation to be fragmented...--MarkOn 8 November 2010 11:39, Dougal Matthews wrote: On Monday, 8 November 2010 at 10:50, Derek Hoy wrote: "It is easy to shoot your foot off with git, but also easy to revert to a previous foot and merge it with your current leg." It's unfortunate that they didn't manage to fit bisect[1] into that analogy. Dougal [1]:?http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-bisect.html _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh_______________________________________________Edinburgh mailing listEdinburgh at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk Wed Nov 10 10:55:40 2010 From: mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:55:40 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes Message-ID: Hi All, I've had some ideas floating around in my head for a Python talk to give some time. Would anybody be interested if I was to give a talk called (provisionally) 'A deep-dive into Python classes'? The kind of things I'm thinking of covering are: * Understanding class attributes and instance attributes. * How do methods actually work? * Where does 'self' come from? * Interesting tricks once you understand how methods work. * How do 'classmethod' and 'staticmethod' work? * The Python descriptor protocol, or 'how does @property work?' I'm not planning to cover metaclasses or class decorators (although I could...). I'd say the material is somewhere between intermediate and advanced, although I'd hope that anyone who came with an understanding of object-orientation and the dynamic nature of Python would learn something useful. Most of the stuff above has either given me useful idioms in the past, or caused me problems when I was trying to be clever without a proper understanding of the way object orientation works in Python. I think it's good if talks are given in pairs, so if anyone else has material for a talk (especially a different kind of talk!), then please do let me know and we can start to talk timescales, etc. --Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bedmondmark at yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 10 12:30:53 2010 From: bedmondmark at yahoo.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:30:53 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes In-Reply-To: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> References: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: (I've copied this conversation back into edinburgh at python.org) Good list! I'd be especially interested in 'advanced django techniques' and 'automated deployment' and 'what's new in django 1.3' Fancy coming up for a week? There's a corollary to the 'if you don't know why you'd need metaclasses then you don't need them', which is "most of the time, when you think you need metaclasses, you don't" :-) --Mark On 10 November 2010 10:35, Dougal Matthews wrote: > Mark, > > This certainly sounds good to me. Depending when it happens and if I can > come along is another matter. > > I've got a few idea's for talks and would be quite interested in giving one > too. Topics including; > > * advanced django techniques/tips > * automated deployment (fabric, chef, gunicorn, etc) > * redis (or general nosql) > * django internals and contributing back (or Contributing to django - an > outsiders view) > * class based views and how they are a game changer (or maybe a more > general "whats new in django 1.3") > > ...and a few others. I've been pondering these with EuroPython in mind. > > I don't think there is much need to cover class decorators. Meta-classes > are an interesting topic but don't really fit with the others and are rarely > needed. If you don't know why you'd need them, then you don't and all that > :) > > Dougal > > > On Wednesday, 10 November 2010 at 09:55, Mark Smith wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've had some ideas floating around in my head for a Python talk to give > some time. Would anybody be interested if I was to give a talk called > (provisionally) 'A deep-dive into Python classes'? > > The kind of things I'm thinking of covering are: > > * Understanding class attributes and instance attributes. > * How do methods actually work? > * Where does 'self' come from? > * Interesting tricks once you understand how methods work. > * How do 'classmethod' and 'staticmethod' work? > * The Python descriptor protocol, or 'how does @property work?' > > I'm not planning to cover metaclasses or class decorators (although I > could...). I'd say the material is somewhere between intermediate and > advanced, although I'd hope that anyone who came with an understanding of > object-orientation and the dynamic nature of Python would learn something > useful. Most of the stuff above has either given me useful idioms in the > past, or caused me problems when I was trying to be clever without a proper > understanding of the way object orientation works in Python. > > I think it's good if talks are given in pairs, so if anyone else has > material for a talk (especially a different kind of talk!), then please do > let me know and we can start to talk timescales, etc. > > --Mark > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.urkhart at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 16:41:21 2010 From: g.urkhart at gmail.com (Graeme Urquhart) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:41:21 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes In-Reply-To: References: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey guys, All sounds good to me. I'll certainly lend my ears! * Graeme* On 10 November 2010 11:30, Mark Smith wrote: > (I've copied this conversation back into edinburgh at python.org) > > Good list! I'd be especially interested in 'advanced django techniques' and > 'automated deployment' and 'what's new in django 1.3' Fancy coming up for a > week? > > There's a corollary to the 'if you don't know why you'd need metaclasses > then you don't need them', which is "most of the time, when you think you > need metaclasses, you don't" > > :-) > > --Mark > > On 10 November 2010 10:35, Dougal Matthews wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> This certainly sounds good to me. Depending when it happens and if I can >> come along is another matter. >> >> I've got a few idea's for talks and would be quite interested in giving >> one too. Topics including; >> >> * advanced django techniques/tips >> * automated deployment (fabric, chef, gunicorn, etc) >> * redis (or general nosql) >> * django internals and contributing back (or Contributing to django - an >> outsiders view) >> * class based views and how they are a game changer (or maybe a more >> general "whats new in django 1.3") >> >> ...and a few others. I've been pondering these with EuroPython in mind. >> >> I don't think there is much need to cover class decorators. Meta-classes >> are an interesting topic but don't really fit with the others and are rarely >> needed. If you don't know why you'd need them, then you don't and all that >> :) >> >> Dougal >> >> >> On Wednesday, 10 November 2010 at 09:55, Mark Smith wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I've had some ideas floating around in my head for a Python talk to give >> some time. Would anybody be interested if I was to give a talk called >> (provisionally) 'A deep-dive into Python classes'? >> >> The kind of things I'm thinking of covering are: >> >> * Understanding class attributes and instance attributes. >> * How do methods actually work? >> * Where does 'self' come from? >> * Interesting tricks once you understand how methods work. >> * How do 'classmethod' and 'staticmethod' work? >> * The Python descriptor protocol, or 'how does @property work?' >> >> I'm not planning to cover metaclasses or class decorators (although I >> could...). I'd say the material is somewhere between intermediate and >> advanced, although I'd hope that anyone who came with an understanding of >> object-orientation and the dynamic nature of Python would learn something >> useful. Most of the stuff above has either given me useful idioms in the >> past, or caused me problems when I was trying to be clever without a proper >> understanding of the way object orientation works in Python. >> >> I think it's good if talks are given in pairs, so if anyone else has >> material for a talk (especially a different kind of talk!), then please do >> let me know and we can start to talk timescales, etc. >> >> --Mark >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at sneeu.com Thu Nov 11 17:03:26 2010 From: john at sneeu.com (John Sutherland) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:03:26 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes In-Reply-To: References: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > So far I think that's about 5 positive responses so far (one in private). I?d come and listen to the talk :) > Did I mention there would be beer afterwards? No, *not* free beer. With Refresh, the talks we did in March were sponsored by StormID (we used their office, and they gave us beer & pizza). It might be worth trying to get the talks sponsored by one of the Python companies around Edinburgh. John. -- sneeu.com "A computer shall not waste your time or require you to do more work than is strictly necessary" ? Jef Raskin. From mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk Thu Nov 11 16:57:42 2010 From: mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:57:42 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes In-Reply-To: References: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Excellent! A countryman ;) So far I think that's about 5 positive responses so far (one in private). Did I mention there would be beer afterwards? No, *not* free beer. If we go ahead with this, then I'm thinking early next year, maybe mid-January; too soon, and I won't have time to prepare; too late in the year and everyone will be busy with the run-up to Christmas. --Mark On 11 November 2010 15:41, Graeme Urquhart wrote: > Hey guys, > > All sounds good to me. I'll certainly lend my ears! > * > Graeme* > > On 10 November 2010 11:30, Mark Smith wrote: > >> (I've copied this conversation back into edinburgh at python.org) >> >> Good list! I'd be especially interested in 'advanced django techniques' >> and 'automated deployment' and 'what's new in django 1.3' Fancy coming up >> for a week? >> >> There's a corollary to the 'if you don't know why you'd need metaclasses >> then you don't need them', which is "most of the time, when you think you >> need metaclasses, you don't" >> >> :-) >> >> --Mark >> >> On 10 November 2010 10:35, Dougal Matthews wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> >>> This certainly sounds good to me. Depending when it happens and if I can >>> come along is another matter. >>> >>> I've got a few idea's for talks and would be quite interested in giving >>> one too. Topics including; >>> >>> * advanced django techniques/tips >>> * automated deployment (fabric, chef, gunicorn, etc) >>> * redis (or general nosql) >>> * django internals and contributing back (or Contributing to django - an >>> outsiders view) >>> * class based views and how they are a game changer (or maybe a more >>> general "whats new in django 1.3") >>> >>> ...and a few others. I've been pondering these with EuroPython in mind. >>> >>> I don't think there is much need to cover class decorators. Meta-classes >>> are an interesting topic but don't really fit with the others and are rarely >>> needed. If you don't know why you'd need them, then you don't and all that >>> :) >>> >>> Dougal >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, 10 November 2010 at 09:55, Mark Smith wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I've had some ideas floating around in my head for a Python talk to give >>> some time. Would anybody be interested if I was to give a talk called >>> (provisionally) 'A deep-dive into Python classes'? >>> >>> The kind of things I'm thinking of covering are: >>> >>> * Understanding class attributes and instance attributes. >>> * How do methods actually work? >>> * Where does 'self' come from? >>> * Interesting tricks once you understand how methods work. >>> * How do 'classmethod' and 'staticmethod' work? >>> * The Python descriptor protocol, or 'how does @property work?' >>> >>> I'm not planning to cover metaclasses or class decorators (although I >>> could...). I'd say the material is somewhere between intermediate and >>> advanced, although I'd hope that anyone who came with an understanding of >>> object-orientation and the dynamic nature of Python would learn something >>> useful. Most of the stuff above has either given me useful idioms in the >>> past, or caused me problems when I was trying to be clever without a proper >>> understanding of the way object orientation works in Python. >>> >>> I think it's good if talks are given in pairs, so if anyone else has >>> material for a talk (especially a different kind of talk!), then please do >>> let me know and we can start to talk timescales, etc. >>> >>> --Mark >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Edinburgh mailing list >> Edinburgh at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mean2030 at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 17:32:47 2010 From: mean2030 at gmail.com (Mathew Taylor) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:32:47 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes In-Reply-To: References: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd certainly be up for listening to some talking on Python. Mat. On 11 November 2010 16:03, John Sutherland wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Mark Smith > wrote: > > So far I think that's about 5 positive responses so far (one in private). > > I?d come and listen to the talk :) > > > Did I mention there would be beer afterwards? No, *not* free beer. > > With Refresh, the talks we did in March were sponsored by StormID (we > used their office, and they gave us beer & pizza). It might be worth > trying to get the talks sponsored by one of the Python companies > around Edinburgh. > > John. > > > -- > sneeu.com > "A computer shall not waste your time or require you to do more work than > is > strictly necessary" ? Jef Raskin. > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed.hawkins at st.com Thu Nov 11 17:45:20 2010 From: ed.hawkins at st.com (Ed HAWKINS) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:45:20 +0100 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes In-Reply-To: References: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd be interested in any Python talk also. Cheers, Ed. From: edinburgh-bounces+ed.hawkins=st.com at python.org [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+ed.hawkins=st.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: 11 November 2010 15:58 To: The list for Pythonistas in Edinburgh.; edinburgh-pug at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes Excellent! A countryman ;) So far I think that's about 5 positive responses so far (one in private). Did I mention there would be beer afterwards? No, *not* free beer. If we go ahead with this, then I'm thinking early next year, maybe mid-January; too soon, and I won't have time to prepare; too late in the year and everyone will be busy with the run-up to Christmas. --Mark On 11 November 2010 15:41, Graeme Urquhart > wrote: Hey guys, All sounds good to me. I'll certainly lend my ears! Graeme On 10 November 2010 11:30, Mark Smith > wrote: (I've copied this conversation back into edinburgh at python.org) Good list! I'd be especially interested in 'advanced django techniques' and 'automated deployment' and 'what's new in django 1.3' Fancy coming up for a week? There's a corollary to the 'if you don't know why you'd need metaclasses then you don't need them', which is "most of the time, when you think you need metaclasses, you don't" :-) --Mark On 10 November 2010 10:35, Dougal Matthews > wrote: Mark, This certainly sounds good to me. Depending when it happens and if I can come along is another matter. I've got a few idea's for talks and would be quite interested in giving one too. Topics including; * advanced django techniques/tips * automated deployment (fabric, chef, gunicorn, etc) * redis (or general nosql) * django internals and contributing back (or Contributing to django - an outsiders view) * class based views and how they are a game changer (or maybe a more general "whats new in django 1.3") ...and a few others. I've been pondering these with EuroPython in mind. I don't think there is much need to cover class decorators. Meta-classes are an interesting topic but don't really fit with the others and are rarely needed. If you don't know why you'd need them, then you don't and all that :) Dougal On Wednesday, 10 November 2010 at 09:55, Mark Smith wrote: Hi All, I've had some ideas floating around in my head for a Python talk to give some time. Would anybody be interested if I was to give a talk called (provisionally) 'A deep-dive into Python classes'? The kind of things I'm thinking of covering are: * Understanding class attributes and instance attributes. * How do methods actually work? * Where does 'self' come from? * Interesting tricks once you understand how methods work. * How do 'classmethod' and 'staticmethod' work? * The Python descriptor protocol, or 'how does @property work?' I'm not planning to cover metaclasses or class decorators (although I could...). I'd say the material is somewhere between intermediate and advanced, although I'd hope that anyone who came with an understanding of object-orientation and the dynamic nature of Python would learn something useful. Most of the stuff above has either given me useful idioms in the past, or caused me problems when I was trying to be clever without a proper understanding of the way object orientation works in Python. I think it's good if talks are given in pairs, so if anyone else has material for a talk (especially a different kind of talk!), then please do let me know and we can start to talk timescales, etc. --Mark _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derek.hoy at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 22:36:33 2010 From: derek.hoy at gmail.com (Derek Hoy) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:36:33 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes In-Reply-To: References: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > Excellent! A countryman ;) > So far I think that's about 5 positive responses so far (one in private). me too. I've enjoyed the pub meets, but the odd night somewhere where we can talk/look at/present would be great. As far as subjects go, the python stuff sounds good, and I'm working on deployment using fabric, virtualenv, and pip. I've not found the python setup/install stuff easy to get my head round, so a session on that would be good. I could entertain you here if you like- http://bit.ly/brunstane-road It's not central- 30mins from town on bus, 10mins train from Waverley (Brunstane station). We could have up to 20 comfortably, got wifi and a projector. Could buy some pizza and folks could chip in. BYOB. So if a central venue with free beer & pizza is not forthcoming this is an option if you don't mind a bit of extra travel. cheers Derek From bedmondmark at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 15 20:20:33 2010 From: bedmondmark at yahoo.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:20:33 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Potential Talk: Deep-Dive Into Python Classes In-Reply-To: References: <5F005F46208748C2A44C5B70AFEA7DCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: According to National Rail, it's only 7 minutes from Waverley, which makes it quicker for me to get there than to Berts. :-) Dougal and I are looking into more central locations at the moment, which I think would help turnout, but if we don't manage it, we'll definitely take you up on your offer - many thanks! --Mark PS: Apologies for the delayed reply - I had my eyes lasered on Friday and I've been taking it easy on the 'monitor staring' front. I've enjoyed the pub meets, but the odd night somewhere where we can > talk/look at/present would be great. > > As far as subjects go, the python stuff sounds good, and I'm working > on deployment using fabric, virtualenv, and pip. I've not found the > python setup/install stuff easy to get my head round, so a session on > that would be good. > > I could entertain you here if you like- http://bit.ly/brunstane-road > > It's not central- 30mins from town on bus, 10mins train from Waverley > (Brunstane station). We could have up to 20 comfortably, got wifi and > a projector. Could buy some pizza and folks could chip in. BYOB. > > So if a central venue with free beer & pizza is not forthcoming this > is an option if you don't mind a bit of extra travel. > > cheers > Derek > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A colleague of mine is looking for one, and I have no experience > with them. > --Mark > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > From dougal85 at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 11:35:08 2010 From: dougal85 at gmail.com (Dougal Matthews) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:35:08 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A vaguely remembered partial (possibly mostly made up) quote from my accountant."I would strongly advice against using an umbrella company. The Inland Revenue is coming down on them at the moment and you'll almost always end up loosing a bigger cut and having less control."Or something like that, he said a few other things too but I don't fully remember. I realise he wants my business but in the grand scheme of things a one man limited company is a small fish compared to the other companies at his firm, so I doubt he's *that* bothered.It may well be worth going the accountant route, its not that hard. I'm just getting into it and you can get setup quickly (I formed a company in a week).Cheers, Dougal --?Dougal Matthewswww.dougalmatthews.comwww.twitter.com/d0ugal On Friday, 19 November 2010 at 10:23, Mark Smith wrote: Hi Guys,I know there are a few contractors on this list.Is anyone working with an umbrella company they recommend (or recommend against). A colleague of mine is looking for one, and I have no experience with them. --Mark _______________________________________________Edinburgh mailing listEdinburgh at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.Gould at austinfraser.com Fri Nov 19 11:42:31 2010 From: J.Gould at austinfraser.com (Jonathan Gould) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:42:31 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have probably a 50/50 split of all our contractors who use umbrella/limited companies. Of those using umbrella companies there is a wide range but the same names are always associated with problems. We are not legally able to recommend umbrella companies but I can happily provide details of a few who have good reputaitions: Orange Genie, Giant and Parasol are probably the biggest/best. Avoid SprinBoard Umbrella though. It has been set up by recruiters as a sister company who then share company/client information for their recruitment arm to pitch/canvass. Contractors are sometimes drawn to them because of their reduced fees though. Recruiters get a bad enough reputation which isn?t always justified and this is really bad practice!! Hope this helps..... Thanks Jon Austin Fraser 01189596689 From: edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Dougal Matthews Sent: 19 November 2010 10:35 To: The list for Pythonistas in Edinburgh. Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? A vaguely remembered partial (possibly mostly made up) quote from my accountant. "I would strongly advice against using an umbrella company. The Inland Revenue is coming down on them at the moment and you'll almost always end up loosing a bigger cut and having less control." Or something like that, he said a few other things too but I don't fully remember. I realise he wants my business but in the grand scheme of things a one man limited company is a small fish compared to the other companies at his firm, so I doubt he's *that* bothered. It may well be worth going the accountant route, its not that hard. I'm just getting into it and you can get setup quickly (I formed a company in a week). Cheers, Dougal -- Dougal Matthews www.dougalmatthews.com www.twitter.com/d0ugal On Friday, 19 November 2010 at 10:23, Mark Smith wrote: Hi Guys, I know there are a few contractors on this list. Is anyone working with an umbrella company they recommend (or recommend against). A colleague of mine is looking for one, and I have no experience with them. --Mark _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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From: edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Gould Sent: 19 November 2010 10:43 To: The list for Pythonistas in Edinburgh. Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? We have probably a 50/50 split of all our contractors who use umbrella/limited companies. Of those using umbrella companies there is a wide range but the same names are always associated with problems. We are not legally able to recommend umbrella companies but I can happily provide details of a few who have good reputaitions: Orange Genie, Giant and Parasol are probably the biggest/best. Avoid SprinBoard Umbrella though. It has been set up by recruiters as a sister company who then share company/client information for their recruitment arm to pitch/canvass. Contractors are sometimes drawn to them because of their reduced fees though. Recruiters get a bad enough reputation which isn?t always justified and this is really bad practice!! Hope this helps..... Thanks Jon Austin Fraser 01189596689 From: edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Dougal Matthews Sent: 19 November 2010 10:35 To: The list for Pythonistas in Edinburgh. Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? A vaguely remembered partial (possibly mostly made up) quote from my accountant. "I would strongly advice against using an umbrella company. The Inland Revenue is coming down on them at the moment and you'll almost always end up loosing a bigger cut and having less control." Or something like that, he said a few other things too but I don't fully remember. I realise he wants my business but in the grand scheme of things a one man limited company is a small fish compared to the other companies at his firm, so I doubt he's *that* bothered. It may well be worth going the accountant route, its not that hard. I'm just getting into it and you can get setup quickly (I formed a company in a week). Cheers, Dougal -- Dougal Matthews www.dougalmatthews.com www.twitter.com/d0ugal On Friday, 19 November 2010 at 10:23, Mark Smith wrote: Hi Guys, I know there are a few contractors on this list. Is anyone working with an umbrella company they recommend (or recommend against). A colleague of mine is looking for one, and I have no experience with them. --Mark _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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From: edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Gould Sent: 19 November 2010 10:43 To: The list for Pythonistas in Edinburgh. Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? We have probably a 50/50 split of all our contractors who use umbrella/limited companies. Of those using umbrella companies there is a wide range but the same names are always associated with problems. We are not legally able to recommend umbrella companies but I can happily provide details of a few who have good reputaitions: Orange Genie, Giant and Parasol are probably the biggest/best. Avoid SprinBoard Umbrella though. It has been set up by recruiters as a sister company who then share company/client information for their recruitment arm to pitch/canvass. Contractors are sometimes drawn to them because of their reduced fees though. Recruiters get a bad enough reputation which isn?t always justified and this is really bad practice!! Hope this helps..... Thanks Jon Austin Fraser 01189596689 From: edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org [mailto:edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Dougal Matthews Sent: 19 November 2010 10:35 To: The list for Pythonistas in Edinburgh. Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? A vaguely remembered partial (possibly mostly made up) quote from my accountant. "I would strongly advice against using an umbrella company. The Inland Revenue is coming down on them at the moment and you'll almost always end up loosing a bigger cut and having less control." Or something like that, he said a few other things too but I don't fully remember. I realise he wants my business but in the grand scheme of things a one man limited company is a small fish compared to the other companies at his firm, so I doubt he's *that* bothered. It may well be worth going the accountant route, its not that hard. I'm just getting into it and you can get setup quickly (I formed a company in a week). Cheers, Dougal --? Dougal Matthews www.dougalmatthews.com www.twitter.com/d0ugal On Friday, 19 November 2010 at 10:23, Mark Smith wrote: Hi Guys, I know there are a few contractors on this list. Is anyone working with an umbrella company they recommend (or recommend against). A colleague of mine is looking for one, and I have no experience with them. --Mark _______________________________________________ Edinburgh mailing list Edinburgh at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh From akumria at acm.org Fri Nov 19 14:32:06 2010 From: akumria at acm.org (Anand Kumria) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:32:06 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a point of interest, I'm used Spring Board without issues for about 6 months. However - I now run things via my own company. It was getting frustrating filling out 3 timesheets in order to get paid. A good accountant can come in very handy. Cheers, Anand On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Jonathan Gould wrote: > Sorry... the name to avoid is SpringBoard.... > > > > *From:* edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org [mailto: > edinburgh-bounces+j.gould =austinfraser.com@ > python.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Gould > *Sent:* 19 November 2010 10:43 > > *To:* The list for Pythonistas in Edinburgh. > *Subject:* Re: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? > > > > We have probably a 50/50 split of all our contractors who use > umbrella/limited companies. > > > > Of those using umbrella companies there is a wide range but the same names > are always associated with problems. > > > > We are not legally able to recommend umbrella companies but I can happily > provide details of a few who have good reputaitions: > > > > Orange Genie, Giant and Parasol are probably the biggest/best. > > > > Avoid SprinBoard Umbrella though. It has been set up by recruiters as a > sister company who then share company/client information for their > recruitment arm to pitch/canvass. Contractors are sometimes drawn to them > because of their reduced fees though. Recruiters get a bad enough reputation > which isn?t always justified and this is really bad practice!! > > > > Hope this helps..... > > > > Thanks > > > > Jon > > Austin Fraser > > 01189596689 > > > > *From:* edinburgh-bounces+j.gould=austinfraser.com at python.org [mailto: > edinburgh-bounces+j.gould =austinfraser.com@ > python.org] *On Behalf Of *Dougal Matthews > *Sent:* 19 November 2010 10:35 > *To:* The list for Pythonistas in Edinburgh. > *Subject:* Re: [Python Edinburgh] Umbrella company recommendation? > > > > A vaguely remembered partial (possibly mostly made up) quote from my > accountant. > > > > "I would strongly advice against using an umbrella company. The Inland > Revenue is coming down on them at the moment and you'll almost always end up > loosing a bigger cut and having less control." > > > > Or something like that, he said a few other things too but I don't fully > remember. I realise he wants my business but in the grand scheme of things a > one man limited company is a small fish compared to the other companies at > his firm, so I doubt he's *that* bothered. > > > > It may well be worth going the accountant route, its not that hard. I'm > just getting into it and you can get setup quickly (I formed a company in a > week). > > > > Cheers, > > Dougal > > > > -- > *Dougal Matthews* > www.dougalmatthews.com > www.twitter.com/d0ugal > > > > On Friday, 19 November 2010 at 10:23, Mark Smith wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > I know there are a few contractors on this list. > > > > Is anyone working with an umbrella company they recommend (or recommend > against). A colleague of mine is looking for one, and I have no experience > with them. > > > > --Mark > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I went with the accountant that my dad's company uses, that was easy too.I don't know any more details that that really, so I can't answer any more questions. I would be happy to recommend my accountant though, if you want details contact me off list but be warned they are based in Bathgate and I think Falkirk and st andrews too.C heers,Dougal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it worth me buying a > book? -- I find git learning documentation to be fragmented... > > --Mark > > On 8 November 2010 11:39, Dougal Matthews wrote: > > On Monday, 8 November 2010 at 10:50, Derek Hoy wrote: > > "It is easy to shoot your foot off with git, > but also easy to revert to a previous foot and merge it with your current > leg." > > It's unfortunate that they didn't manage to fit bisect[1] into that > analogy. > Dougal > [1]: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-bisect.html > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hic. :) --Mark On 22 November 2010 12:37, Graeme Urquhart wrote: > Hey Mark, > > > I've just discovered that the whole 'Pro Git' book is online here > (legitimately!): http://progit.org/book/ > > Heh, I showed you that site on the Python hack day! I guess the beer must > have taken effect by then! :) > > *Graeme* > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mean2030 at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 22:45:13 2010 From: mean2030 at gmail.com (Mathew Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:45:13 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] November Pub Meetup Imminent: RSVP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll be there too, see you all tomorrow. Mat On 22 November 2010 14:21, Derek Hoy wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Mark Smith > wrote: > > Hi All, > > This month's Pub Meetup is tomorrow (Tuesday 23rd November) at 6:30pm. As > > usual, we'll be starting off at Berts Bar, and then moving across to > > Teuchters after eating (Around 7:30, usually). Let me know if you're > coming > > and I'll book a table. > > me too. Though probably after 7. > > Derek > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk Tue Nov 23 11:32:27 2010 From: mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:32:27 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] November Pub Meetup Imminent: RSVP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Table booked for 8 people for 6:30pm. See you there! --Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at sneeu.com Tue Nov 23 14:38:03 2010 From: john at sneeu.com (John Sutherland) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:38:03 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] November Pub Meetup Imminent: RSVP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don?t think I?m going to make it this evening after all. Way to much to get through today, and nowhere near enough time to do it :( J. -- sneeu.com "A computer shall not waste your time or require you to do more work than is strictly necessary" ? Jef Raskin. From mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk Tue Nov 23 15:53:22 2010 From: mark.smith at practicalpoetry.co.uk (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:53:22 +0000 Subject: [Python Edinburgh] November Pub Meetup Imminent: RSVP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry to hear that John. I hope you recover from your burst of busyness soon. --Mark On 23 November 2010 13:38, John Sutherland wrote: > I don?t think I?m going to make it this evening after all. Way to much > to get through today, and nowhere near enough time to do it :( > > J. > > > -- > sneeu.com > "A computer shall not waste your time or require you to do more work than > is > strictly necessary" ? Jef Raskin. > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh mailing list > Edinburgh at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: