[Distutils] Q about best practices now (or near future)

[Daniel Holth]

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18 July 2013 22:08, Marcus Smith <qwcode at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> it's a practical problem for users, due to being currently responsible for
>> fulfilling the setuptools dependency themselves in non-virtualenv
>> environments
>> IMO, we need to bundle or install it for them (through dynamic installs,
>> or add the logic to get-pip)
>
>
> Seriously, we're talking here about bundling pip with the Python installer.
> Why not just bundle setuptools as well? Don't vendor it, don't jump through
> hoops, just bundle it too, so that all Python environments can be assumed to
> have pip and setuptools present. (Note that I'm one of the least likely
> people to advocate setuptools around here, and yet even I don't see why
> we're working so hard to avoid just having the thing available...)
>
> It seems to me that by bundling pip but not setuptools, we're just making
> unnecessary work for ourselves.

I'll see if I can do a patch. I don't think it will be hard at all,
and I do think it's work that will eventually become necessary.

PJE is correct that if we surprise people with non-pkg_resources
console_scripts then we will break things for people who are more
interested in a working packaging experience.