[Distutils] Proposal for Distribute 0.7

[david.lyon at preisshare.net]

I really love this stuff..

It's better than soap opera..

We have jerks, interjectors, behind the scenes plots, secret messages,
moles and flashbacks..

I'm staying tuned in and hope tomorow's episode will be just as thrilling
as todays..

> At 02:38 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, ssteinerX at gmail.com wrote:
>>>  that there are other people on the Distribute team who I'd
>>>seriously consider as committers on setuptools or even as a chief
>>>maintainer of the setuptools 0.6 line (if not more).
>>>...asked me who those team members are
>>
>>I'm asking.  Who are they and, if you are willing to give them access,
>>have you offered it and they've declined, or you were waiting
>>until...what?   You had Tarek's acknowledgement or permission?
>
> I am not trying to poach anyone or stir up trouble, which is why I've
> taken a very passive public stance on the issue -- although it has
> included me naming names in certain venues, including here.
>
> However, I *am* in private contact with more than one member of the
> Distribute team, each of whom first contacted me.
>
> In order to avoid creating any further drama here or in the
> Distribute team, I will leave it up  to them to make any public
> statements, when/if they choose to confer with their colleagues on
> the matter.  (I would prefer, of course, a joint statement at the
> appropriate time.)
>
> I wish that such complications weren't necessary.  If cooler heads
> had prevailed in July, this could have and likely would have been
> resolved back then.
>
>
>>We, regular Python users, have been asking for you to let someone help
>>with setuptools for years since you obviously have other priorities
>>and the various issues in setuptools have affected many of us in
>>various ways.
>
> The only reason I've done an 0.6c10 is because of a policy-breaking
> change to Python that breaks setuptools users, and that can't be
> worked around with configuration, command-line options, or other
> tweaking of the runtime environment -- as was able to be done with
> approximately 9 out of 10 of the setuptools bugs in the tracker.
>
> If it weren't for that, I'd have been more-or-less happy to let
> Distribute become the quasi-official replacement for setuptools 0.6,
> despite my annoyance at some of the public comments made by its
> promoter(s) prior to the 2.6.3 issue.
>
> Indeed, as previously stated, I even tried to arrange a handoff of
> 0.6, wherein the changes made in Distribute would've been released as
> 0.6c10 or 0.6final back in July...  and public talks broke down due
> to certain persons' flaming and posturing.
>
> That's one reason I'm only doing off-list talks now -- less chance of
> random jerks inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion,
> making me think they're part of Distribute and that their comments
> reflect Distribute policy (as also happened back in July).  Also, no
> need for persons on either side to put up any posture or spin, when
> there's no audience to play to.
>
>
>>Are you really willing to let anyone help?  Really?
>
> Indeed.  There's a list, and some of them obviously have time to work
> on Distribute, so it's not a matter of me only picking people who
> don't have any time, as Tarek and others have more than once accused me
> of.
>
>
>>Do it, then,
>
> Discussions are ongoing.
>
> Also, I've made it pretty plain for a long time that if Ian Bicking
> or Jim Fulton were ever willing to take it over, I'd hand it *all*
> over -- 0.7 as well as 0.6 -- and happily retire from the
> distribution tools business.  I trust their vision as architects, and
> their track record of supporting their users IMO speaks for
> itself.  Both are past contributors of non-trivial features to
> setuptools, as well as accomplished installation tool developers in
> their own right.  It would be a joy and an honor to turn the keys
> over to either one of them, either as an individual or as the leader
> of a new team.  (I would love to see some of pip and buildout's
> features integrated in setuptools 0.7, for example.)
>
> (Ian, btw, already has PyPI maintainer rights to setuptools, and Jim
> already has commit rights to setuptools SVN... giving further lie to
> the idea that I'm not willing to give people access or let them help.)
>
> That having been said, there are definitely other people I'd give
> varying degrees of access to, just not at the "here, take it, please,
> I want you to have it!" level I would grant to Ian or Jim.  ;-)
>
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