[code-quality] Pylint path issues

Sat Sep 9 18:54:04 EDT 2017

Sorry,

just shaking my head about how so many, I guess, adult men (guessing again)
can behave so childish.

Let me ask the last childish question: Amir, are you sure Python is not
installed yet on their computer? -- I don't know. But I know that if it is
then asking them to use another IDE (instead of Visual Studio) is probably
not much better than asking them to try to find Bash on their Windows
system (hoping it was Windows X, sorry, 10, which I've been told now can
incorporate Bash to make things easier for developers, Windows developers).
No aluminum yet involved. Apart from the X.

I meant to be polite. And I'm going to stay polite. And while I value
freedom more, I respect either side of the trifold spectrum, just to be
helpful. Because I care for learners. And I'm sure also Dan cares.

Step back, stay respectful, because the Python community must prove that it
respects diversity as much as beauty and simplicity.

Beautiful is better than ugly, simple is better than complicated,
pragmatism is better than fighting a religious war, and usability counts.
Unfortunately there is not only one obvious way to fail on a complex
system, though failing on Windows is much more fun. Unless you're Finnish.
In the face of ambiguity refuse the temptation to suggest solutions that
have not been asked for. Because when it's difficult to explain without
hurting people who care for religion it may be a bad idea.

The only good answer on this very mess was Ian's: This has nothing to do
with Pylint.

And while this may not be particularly helpful at first sight, this is the
only appropriate answer on this list.

Wishing you a wonderful weekend everyone, hoping to see you on the next
PyCon. And may Saint Ignucius bless you all!

Peter

P.S.: If you get this twice, fear not! You have been blessed twice.

Il 09/set/2017 21:46, "Amir Rachum" <amir at rachum.com> ha scritto:

> Kyrian, your problem seems very basic, and I'm afraid it would be quite
> difficult to help over email. I suggest you download the Python Windows
> Installer from the Python website:
> https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-362/
> After you install Python, try to search for "IDLE" in your Start menu.
> It's the built-in Python shell and editor on Windows. If you get it to
> work, then you installed Python correctly.
>
> *Peter and Dan*, there's "right" and there's "helpful" and you two are
> neither. Telling someone who was unsuccessful at installing Python on
> Windows to install Linux is just getting them deeper in trouble. I use both
> Linux and Windows for professional Python development and they are both
> adequate and most definitely not "3rd-rate software".
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Ian Stapleton Cordasco <
> graffatcolmingov at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Dan Stromberg <strombrg at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Windows improves somewhat in areas where it has a strong competitor.
>> >
>> > It lies fallow in areas where it has a majority of the marketshare.
>> >
>> > Windows is usable, but it's 3rd-rate software, after Linux and macOS.
>> >
>> > We should consider assisting Windows users on Windows, but there's
>> nothing
>> > wrong with also reminding them that there are better alternatives
>> available.
>> >
>>
>> There's a difference between someone who comes to this list saying
>>
>> "I'm trying to run Pylint from my editor and I've followed some
>> instructions for getting set up on Windows. Does anyone know why it
>> doesn't work?"
>>
>> And someone saying
>>
>> "Hey, I'm having trouble doing python development on Windows. Is
>> writing Python on Windows so awful I should switch to something else?"
>>
>> What we have here is someone asking the first question and getting an
>> answer to the second question. In other words, you're telling the
>> person that in order for them to develop software in Python they must
>> use Linux (or a worst buy an inordinately expensive piece of aluminum
>> with substandard hardware to get a variant of Unix) and that's not
>> only wrong, it's downright exclusive.
>>
>> Put yet another way, answer the question the person actually asks, if
>> you can. If you don't do windows development and you can't actually
>> offer help, maybe just don't reply.
>>
>> > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Ian Stapleton Cordasco
>> > <graffatcolmingov at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Windows is a fine developer environment and consistently getting
>> better.
>> >> Let's not discourage people from learning to cure on the operating
>> systems
>> >> they're already comfortable with. If you can't help them, don't try to
>> make
>> >> them learn yet another thing as a barrier to learning Python
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my phone with my typo-happy thumbs. Please excuse my brevity
>> >>
>> >> On Sep 8, 2017 11:31, "Peter Bittner" <peter.bittner at gmx.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> If you can get hold of a computer running GNU/Linux, e.g. a machine
>> >>> running an Ubuntu desktop, that would be ideal.
>> >>>
>> >>> Windows is not ideal for developing software (well, that's my personal
>> >>> opinion). Especially the path issues you don't have on other systems.
>> >>> In my experience you have everything easily at hand with a GNU/Linux
>> >>> system. Ubuntu or Mint are lovely and very popular. Even a Mac is
>> >>> better suited, though that requires some hacking (installing a a
>> >>> package manager) to set more potential free. Try them, it will make
>> >>> your life so much easier.
>> >>>
>> >>> Peter
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2017-09-08 18:19 GMT+02:00 Kyrian Okoroama <kyrian010 at yahoo.com>:
>> >>> > Hi
>> >>> >
>> >>> > No I do not have those.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Should I install them or one?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Kyrian Okoroama .C.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On ‎Friday‎, ‎September‎ ‎8‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎50‎:‎31‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CEST,
>> Peter
>> >>> > Bittner <peter.bittner at gmx.net> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Do you have Bash (a GNU/Linux shell) on your Windows machine?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If that's the case start the Bash terminal application and type
>> >>> > "python".
>> >>> > Python should already be installed and easily accessible there from
>> any
>> >>> > directory.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Peter
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2017-09-08 16:09 GMT+02:00 Ian Stapleton Cordasco
>> >>> > <graffatcolmingov at gmail.com>:
>> >>> >> Your IDE does not seem to be able to find where you installed
>> Python.
>> >>> >> This
>> >>> >> has nothing to do with pylint
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Sent from my phone with my typo-happy thumbs. Please excuse my
>> brevity
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Sep 8, 2017 09:06, "Kyrian Okoroama via code-quality"
>> >>> >> <code-quality at python.org> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Hi there
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I am totally new to programming language. However I am running the
>> >>> >>> online
>> >>> >>> free course on Alison on Python programming language, which I have
>> >>> >>> installed
>> >>> >>> according to instructions on the video but I having issues
>> Debugging
>> >>> >>> my
>> >>> >>> first Hello World script.
>> >>> >>> see attached files
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> kindly help.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Kyrian Okoroama .C.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
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