From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 13:46:13 2016
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 13:46:13 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Calling all venues...
Message-ID: <CANKg38uH8SwoRe0CrjU-ZP0P3O6T6O=U=6V5=AVBvdtBokg2zQ@mail.gmail.com>

We have a Mentorship Program kickoff meeting planned for next Monday. there
are 20 mentor mentee pairs all ready to teach/learn python; however, our
venue has dropped us last minute.

DATE: Monday the 10th. aiming for 6-8:30, but flexible.
WHAT: ChiPy Mentorship
VENUE: (HELP??)

We desperately need your help to host and feed this meetup. If anyone has
space for 40 folks, please respond all and let us know ... help us "Help me
Obi Wan Kanobi you're my only hope" Ray Berg (CC'd) will follow up with you.

Thanks 1 million.

PS, you can also say NO this time but want to host at some point please
fill out this form:  https://goo.gl/forms/4UcxsQrZSQ4ybEhj1


-- 
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@brianray
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 15:58:32 2016
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:58:32 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Calling all venues...
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uH8SwoRe0CrjU-ZP0P3O6T6O=U=6V5=AVBvdtBokg2zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uH8SwoRe0CrjU-ZP0P3O6T6O=U=6V5=AVBvdtBokg2zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38vacJus20Bz9BFOWA_SQAbZkFV55pHirst5XrqLmdALBw@mail.gmail.com>

We found a host. But fill out this form for next time:
https://goo.gl/forms/4UcxsQrZSQ4ybEhj1

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> We have a Mentorship Program kickoff meeting planned for next Monday.
> there are 20 mentor mentee pairs all ready to teach/learn python; however,
> our venue has dropped us last minute.
>
> DATE: Monday the 10th. aiming for 6-8:30, but flexible.
> WHAT: ChiPy Mentorship
> VENUE: (HELP??)
>
> We desperately need your help to host and feed this meetup. If anyone has
> space for 40 folks, please respond all and let us know ... help us "Help me
> Obi Wan Kanobi you're my only hope" Ray Berg (CC'd) will follow up with you.
>
> Thanks 1 million.
>
> PS, you can also say NO this time but want to host at some point please
> fill out this form:  https://goo.gl/forms/4UcxsQrZSQ4ybEhj1
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>



-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From davidkunio at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 16:00:51 2016
From: davidkunio at gmail.com (David Matsumura)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 15:00:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Bases Coded
Message-ID: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>

Anyone want to enter bases coded?  The prize is a ticket to game 4, which if the Cubs get there would be in Wrigley. 

http://mlb.mlb.com/bases-coded/

Could be fun, and certainly less expensive than trying to buy a ticket.  Sign up is due tonight.

Thanks
David


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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 16:11:30 2016
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:11:30 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Bases Coded
In-Reply-To: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>
References: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zkzAR3M_yEUk-PZG6Sa9osOruaZ=bgLaZ7=k1G-20WKSg@mail.gmail.com>

Looks interesting I think I would be up to compete.
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM David Matsumura <davidkunio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone want to enter bases coded?  The prize is a ticket to game 4, which
> if the Cubs get there would be in Wrigley.
>
> http://mlb.mlb.com/bases-coded/ <http://mlb.mlb.com/basescoded/>
>
> Could be fun, and certainly less expensive than trying to buy a ticket.
> Sign up is due tonight.
>
> Thanks
> David
>
>
> --
> David Matsumura
> 773.230.1761
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From sakamura at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 16:19:15 2016
From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 15:19:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Bases Coded
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zkzAR3M_yEUk-PZG6Sa9osOruaZ=bgLaZ7=k1G-20WKSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>
 <CAB3V1zkzAR3M_yEUk-PZG6Sa9osOruaZ=bgLaZ7=k1G-20WKSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL-SDLGnWsXiedEA1jc02Fb7Gguo_K08DSuzRi8FuwppvZmtCw@mail.gmail.com>

I think the site says submissions are due today

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Looks interesting I think I would be up to compete.
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM David Matsumura <davidkunio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone want to enter bases coded?  The prize is a ticket to game 4, which
>> if the Cubs get there would be in Wrigley.
>>
>> http://mlb.mlb.com/bases-coded/ <http://mlb.mlb.com/basescoded/>
>>
>> Could be fun, and certainly less expensive than trying to buy a ticket.
>> Sign up is due tonight.
>>
>> Thanks
>> David
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Matsumura
>> 773.230.1761
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From bainada.iit at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 17:41:27 2016
From: bainada.iit at gmail.com (Adam Bain)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 21:41:27 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Bases Coded
In-Reply-To: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>
References: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACHxVRYGHsGgQx9Gau4oK9hES28N7BCOKP3E8pE64G5xNmeUuw@mail.gmail.com>

I think submissions are just team formation. I'm not really sure what type
of app we'd want to build but this looks like it could be cool.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016, 3:01 PM David Matsumura <davidkunio at gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone want to enter bases coded?  The prize is a ticket to game 4, which
if the Cubs get there would be in Wrigley.

http://mlb.mlb.com/bases-coded/ <http://mlb.mlb.com/basescoded/>

Could be fun, and certainly less expensive than trying to buy a ticket.
Sign up is due tonight.

Thanks
David


--
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773.230.1761 <(773)%20230-1761>
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From davidkunio at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 19:02:20 2016
From: davidkunio at gmail.com (David Matsumura)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Bases Coded
In-Reply-To: <CACHxVRYGHsGgQx9Gau4oK9hES28N7BCOKP3E8pE64G5xNmeUuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>
 <CACHxVRYGHsGgQx9Gau4oK9hES28N7BCOKP3E8pE64G5xNmeUuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <081141AB-7D3C-4AA0-B28F-17369EFA740C@gmail.com>

I think a program that generates, interesting/useful/funny natural language text built out of the data and in the context of what is happening in the game would be fun and achievable.

Lots of good possibilities with a cool dataset.

I'm in. Do we have a team?

--
David Matsumura
773.230.1761

On Oct 7, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Adam Bain <bainada.iit at gmail.com> wrote:

I think submissions are just team formation. I'm not really sure what type of app we'd want to build but this looks like it could be cool.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016, 3:01 PM David Matsumura <davidkunio at gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone want to enter bases coded?  The prize is a ticket to game 4, which if the Cubs get there would be in Wrigley. 

http://mlb.mlb.com/bases-coded/

Could be fun, and certainly less expensive than trying to buy a ticket.  Sign up is due tonight.

Thanks
David


--
David Matsumura
773.230.1761
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 20:42:00 2016
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2016 00:42:00 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Bases Coded
In-Reply-To: <081141AB-7D3C-4AA0-B28F-17369EFA740C@gmail.com>
References: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>
 <CACHxVRYGHsGgQx9Gau4oK9hES28N7BCOKP3E8pE64G5xNmeUuw@mail.gmail.com>
 <081141AB-7D3C-4AA0-B28F-17369EFA740C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1z=3v9EejuLHVAZzrLRmQJT+s45qXYy0CwDWd28JgpgHdA@mail.gmail.com>

Sure ill be on the team.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 6:02 PM David Matsumura <davidkunio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think a program that generates, interesting/useful/funny natural
> language text built out of the data and in the context of what is happening
> in the game would be fun and achievable.
>
> Lots of good possibilities with a cool dataset.
>
> I'm in. Do we have a team?
>
> --
> David Matsumura
> 773.230.1761 <(773)%20230-1761>
>
> On Oct 7, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Adam Bain <bainada.iit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think submissions are just team formation. I'm not really sure what type
> of app we'd want to build but this looks like it could be cool.
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016, 3:01 PM David Matsumura <davidkunio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone want to enter bases coded?  The prize is a ticket to game 4, which
> if the Cubs get there would be in Wrigley.
>
> http://mlb.mlb.com/bases-coded/ <http://mlb.mlb.com/basescoded/>
>
> Could be fun, and certainly less expensive than trying to buy a ticket.
> Sign up is due tonight.
>
> Thanks
> David
>
>
> --
> David Matsumura
> 773.230.1761 <(773)%20230-1761>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From yaswateja at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 19:34:50 2016
From: yaswateja at gmail.com (Teja K)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Bases Coded
In-Reply-To: <081141AB-7D3C-4AA0-B28F-17369EFA740C@gmail.com>
References: <644C1FDD-6DCF-4490-9668-B3D598B3D938@gmail.com>
 <CACHxVRYGHsGgQx9Gau4oK9hES28N7BCOKP3E8pE64G5xNmeUuw@mail.gmail.com>
 <081141AB-7D3C-4AA0-B28F-17369EFA740C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF093974-2C22-4FFD-A765-1A1308C4857A@gmail.com>

That sounds fun. If there are any more open slots on the team, I?d love to join!
> On Oct 7, 2016, at 6:02 PM, David Matsumura <davidkunio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think a program that generates, interesting/useful/funny natural language text built out of the data and in the context of what is happening in the game would be fun and achievable.
> 
> Lots of good possibilities with a cool dataset.
> 
> I'm in. Do we have a team?
> 
> --
> David Matsumura
> 773.230.1761
> 
> On Oct 7, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Adam Bain <bainada.iit at gmail.com <mailto:bainada.iit at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I think submissions are just team formation. I'm not really sure what type of app we'd want to build but this looks like it could be cool.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016, 3:01 PM David Matsumura <davidkunio at gmail.com <mailto:davidkunio at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Anyone want to enter bases coded?  The prize is a ticket to game 4, which if the Cubs get there would be in Wrigley. 
> 
> http://mlb.mlb.com/bases-coded/ <http://mlb.mlb.com/basescoded/>
> 
> Could be fun, and certainly less expensive than trying to buy a ticket.  Sign up is due tonight.
> 
> Thanks
> David
> 
> 
> --
> David Matsumura
> 773.230.1761 <tel:(773)%20230-1761>_______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
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From joe.jasinski at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 09:18:39 2016
From: joe.jasinski at gmail.com (Joe Jasinski)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:18:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy October 2016 Meeting: Ultimate Language Shootout
Message-ID: <CACdfcwXB=ndgpjy0Jyhe6R=e65goAvfzCoQd4sStk9RQ4im0zQ@mail.gmail.com>

ChiPy,

This month, Chipy is having it's Ultimate Language Shootout! This is a
competition where each speaker gives a 5 minute talk about a selected
programming language other than Python and compares it to Python.

The audience-voted best speaker wins Cash or 6+ Hours of Video Instruction
"Python Programming Language LiveLessons" by David Beazley.

There will be a cash bar and food will be sponsored by Signature
Consultants.


*When:*Thursday October 13th
6:00pm:  doors open; food arrives
7:00pm:  Talks Start promptly at 7


*How:*You can rsvp at chipy.org or via our Meetup
<https://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/events/234506932/> group.


*Where:*Sully's House
1501 N Dayton St, Chicago, IL 60642


*What:*
* *JavaScript* - Divya
* *Clojure* - Cezar Jenkins
* *SQL* - Heather White
* *Babbage's Analytical Engine programming card*s - Phil Robare
* *R *- Parfait
* *Assembly* (AVR) - Nick Timkovich
* *Groovy* - Jerry Dumblauskas
* *Swift* - Matt Green
* *Julia* - Andrew Webster


Thanks always to all our Platinum sponsors, especially: Braintree,
Imaginary Landscape, and Telnyx.

Please be aware of our code of conduct http://www.chipy.org/pages/conduct/

See you there!

-- 
Joe J. Jasinski
www.joejasinski.com
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From daniel.galtieri at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 12:30:13 2016
From: daniel.galtieri at gmail.com (Daniel Galtieri)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:30:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago]  Scientific SIG Call for October 27th Speakers
Message-ID: <CAJgjJzRSvBsR3KoxOTzS0du=YRD4wPVoRWNRkv1GQnmZrzmsUA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

The Scientific SIG is holding its next monthly meeting at Lucro
<http://getlucro.com/> on October 27th, from 6-8pm, and we're looking for
speaker volunteers.

As is always emphasized, you do not need to be an expert to give a talk.
The atmosphere is very casual, so if you have something you're interested
in presenting please don't hesitate due to inexperience. Anything within
the realm of 'scientific Python' is fair game.

If interested, feel free to either respond to this email or contact me (
daniel.galtieri at gmail.com)


Thanks,

Dan Galtieri
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 15:28:43 2016
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 15:28:43 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Prize for ULS
Message-ID: <CANKg38tOU=tSH7RU_g+7P=AriddgzFfeqmJpZYo0xF-wFO4Ckw@mail.gmail.com>

Good news... We will be giving away the best selling David Beazley Video
"Python Programming Language LiveLessons" ($299.99 value) 1st place for ULS
http://bit.ly/david_beazley at tomorrow nights meeting. RSVP
http://www.chipy.org/ or http://bit.ly/chipy_ Still time to sign up
https://goo.gl/forms/KtpQSKcDjotogXGF3

-- 
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@brianray
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From joe.jasinski at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 19:51:53 2016
From: joe.jasinski at gmail.com (Joe Jasinski)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:51:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Call for November 10th Speakers
Message-ID: <CACdfcwXp_Y=FUAZ__nT+9vHuWwDz5Jfvw7hzraXVMW7FKoNjiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ChiPy,

We are looking for speakers for the November 10th ChiPy meeting.

This month, we'd like to center our talks around an *education theme*.  So,
we'd be interested to hear how you use Python for educational purposes. Or
if you are an educator and you use Python, we'd be interested to hear from
you.

We are happy to have speakers of all experience levels. Here's a great way
to get involved with the Python community.

In addition to our normal talks, we are looking for someone who is willing
to give a 5-10 minute "*Module of the Month*" lightning talk, covering a
useful Python module or module feature.

*If you'd like to speak, keep in mind:*

   - Talks typically range between 10 and 45 min (including question time)
   - Talks should be Python-related.

*To submit a talk:*

   - Please send your talk idea to this list.
   - We'll need you to fill out the talk proposal form to get you on the
   schedule.
      - http://www.chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose


Let me know if you have any questions, and hope to hear from you soon!

If you'd like to attend the next meeting, you can rsvp at chipy.org or via
our Meetup <http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/> group.



-- 
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:23:58 2016
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:23:58 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Interesting CS Math
Message-ID: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>

What specific math / math problems about computer science do you find
interesting?

Good answers should be fairly specific -- something you could study in an
heavily caffeinated afternoon or weekend. Answers like "linear algebra" or
"combinatorics" have applications to CS bit they are too broad.

Of course, links to materials are appreciated
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From qholness at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:42:22 2016
From: qholness at gmail.com (Quentin Holness)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Interesting CS Math
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Oer467mvQ0R=O20qz36DaipqbPk5hptGh_QU_tErgdvAGmEA@mail.gmail.com>

I personally enjoy modeling economus-sapien and randomizing it's traversal
through a graph of goods.

Uh... Math? Well, bucket optimization, distinance minimization and a lot of
regression.

Project Euler and Project Rosalind are fun for interesting math problems
with savvy solutions

On Oct 26, 2016 6:31 PM, "Jason Wirth" <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> What specific math / math problems about computer science do you find
> interesting?
>
> Good answers should be fairly specific -- something you could study in an
> heavily caffeinated afternoon or weekend. Answers like "linear algebra" or
> "combinatorics" have applications to CS bit they are too broad.
>
> Of course, links to materials are appreciated
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From sam.lahti at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:44:19 2016
From: sam.lahti at gmail.com (Samuel Lahti)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Interesting CS Math
In-Reply-To: <CA+Oer467mvQ0R=O20qz36DaipqbPk5hptGh_QU_tErgdvAGmEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+Oer467mvQ0R=O20qz36DaipqbPk5hptGh_QU_tErgdvAGmEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM63y06h9XmAAn_UPpzyNXzEuziRxgq2VNLCKZpKn9_LJ3Vv=w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a big fan of the spectral decomposition theorem. Diagonalized matrices
are much easier to operate on computationally

Good wiki rabbit hole https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_theorem

(Sent with thumbs)

On Oct 26, 2016 18:42, "Quentin Holness" <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:

> I personally enjoy modeling economus-sapien and randomizing it's traversal
> through a graph of goods.
>
> Uh... Math? Well, bucket optimization, distinance minimization and a lot
> of regression.
>
> Project Euler and Project Rosalind are fun for interesting math problems
> with savvy solutions
>
> On Oct 26, 2016 6:31 PM, "Jason Wirth" <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What specific math / math problems about computer science do you find
>> interesting?
>>
>> Good answers should be fairly specific -- something you could study in an
>> heavily caffeinated afternoon or weekend. Answers like "linear algebra" or
>> "combinatorics" have applications to CS bit they are too broad.
>>
>> Of course, links to materials are appreciated
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From thomas.j.johnson at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:52:37 2016
From: thomas.j.johnson at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:52:37 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Interesting CS Math
In-Reply-To: <CAM63y06h9XmAAn_UPpzyNXzEuziRxgq2VNLCKZpKn9_LJ3Vv=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+Oer467mvQ0R=O20qz36DaipqbPk5hptGh_QU_tErgdvAGmEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM63y06h9XmAAn_UPpzyNXzEuziRxgq2VNLCKZpKn9_LJ3Vv=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACkSTKn9cFRooNGQ8bKkG1aWH4QL6fyn7BjuyTr4MbkebBZ-wQ@mail.gmail.com>

My Best Mathematical and Logic Puzzles
(
https://www.amazon.com/Mathematical-Logic-Puzzles-Dover-Recreational/dp/0486281523/ref=pd_sim_14_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0486281523&pd_rd_r=VQ0HFGKQW8YCP4BFDFMS&pd_rd_w=ec6mC&pd_rd_wg=wFci7&psc=1&refRID=VQ0HFGKQW8YCP4BFDFMS
)



The Moscow Puzzles: 359 Mathematical Recreations
(
https://www.amazon.com/Moscow-Puzzles-Mathematical-Recreations-Recreational/dp/0486270785/ref=pd_sim_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0486270785&pd_rd_r=NY606QH7SPENYHJDJNJM&pd_rd_w=cUol5&pd_rd_wg=XYUIK&psc=1&refRID=NY606QH7SPENYHJDJNJM
)


On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 6:44 PM Samuel Lahti <sam.lahti at gmail.com> wrote:

I'm a big fan of the spectral decomposition theorem. Diagonalized matrices
are much easier to operate on computationally

Good wiki rabbit hole https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_theorem

(Sent with thumbs)

On Oct 26, 2016 18:42, "Quentin Holness" <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:

I personally enjoy modeling economus-sapien and randomizing it's traversal
through a graph of goods.

Uh... Math? Well, bucket optimization, distinance minimization and a lot of
regression.

Project Euler and Project Rosalind are fun for interesting math problems
with savvy solutions

On Oct 26, 2016 6:31 PM, "Jason Wirth" <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

What specific math / math problems about computer science do you find
interesting?

Good answers should be fairly specific -- something you could study in an
heavily caffeinated afternoon or weekend. Answers like "linear algebra" or
"combinatorics" have applications to CS bit they are too broad.

Of course, links to materials are appreciated

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From thomas.j.johnson at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:55:09 2016
From: thomas.j.johnson at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:55:09 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Interesting CS Math
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACkSTK=o7HmNekMs9DSbca2mFYJAdKA1E7KOHEZH8OUCPQ7Pkw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh and of course "How to Solve It" is a classic (
https://www.amazon.com/How-Solve-Mathematical-Princeton-Science/dp/069116407X/ref=pd_sim_14_14?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=069116407X&pd_rd_r=0SF7G6XCZ0XW58GHA4JQ&pd_rd_w=gaKcb&pd_rd_wg=XuvLB&psc=1&refRID=0SF7G6XCZ0XW58GHA4JQ
)

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 6:31 PM Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> What specific math / math problems about computer science do you find
> interesting?
>
> Good answers should be fairly specific -- something you could study in an
> heavily caffeinated afternoon or weekend. Answers like "linear algebra" or
> "combinatorics" have applications to CS bit they are too broad.
>
> Of course, links to materials are appreciated
> _______________________________________________
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From jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 11:30:25 2016
From: jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com (Jeremy McMillan)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:30:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Interesting CS Math
In-Reply-To: <CA+Oer467mvQ0R=O20qz36DaipqbPk5hptGh_QU_tErgdvAGmEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADbRpAx5R+8js8a_5nfKp79kNBh+Cb5Xph2s1VbA_XRo0sJRAg@mail.gmail.com>

If I had more time, I would spend it working on more different kinds of
discrete optimization problems.

Tangential to that, there is an art to visualizing the solution space: when
you come up with a solution, I think it's artless to just spit out the
optimal solution and objective function value. Being good with
dimensionality reduction, feature detection, I think is highly desirable as
an art.
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 00:44:25 2016
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:44:25 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Interesting CS Math
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMiicOuSmzP0npxyb1ZXFH1BV4Cf0NkpyT9Nx1AU+3V+mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3QWGfHcfAmef_bKsYhp50YFx4DZihuKSHWOp+pgPHV_Cg@mail.gmail.com>

I like using Python's extended precision capabilities to investigate
unlikely but apparently true Ramanujan algorithms -- or to just play with
convergence in general.

https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/Extended%20Precision.ipynb

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From programo.sapien at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 15:33:36 2016
From: programo.sapien at gmail.com (Aswin kumar)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Django SIG
Message-ID: <CAJ0JsiA_C2o9vG-toVXRzmiu8Rvzzd2rF3nC=M=8Ah7cbCDK9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ,

I would like to know when would be the next Django special interest
group meeting?

Regards,
Aswin.

From programo.sapien at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 16:00:12 2016
From: programo.sapien at gmail.com (Aswin kumar)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:00:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
Message-ID: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
curious to know if its is the same case in industry.

Regards,
Aswin.

From anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 16:22:30 2016
From: anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com (Anish Krishnan)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:22:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANFLTMrVLGc4wrcV25aCAt+n9+4dLoT_NeweMZEo+FsegCDw7Q@mail.gmail.com>

IDE for Java, Sublime for everything else

On Oct 31, 2016 3:15 PM, "Aswin kumar" <programo.sapien at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>
> Regards,
> Aswin.
> _______________________________________________
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 16:26:39 2016
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:26:39 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38v39eXxJ0aHE9hn62N3TjJZZvq4W3m0rku=sNTTdug-yQ@mail.gmail.com>

To ide or not to ide, that is the question. I'm big fan of free choice. I
used VIM for many years, an IDE for several years, and now use mostly
Sublime (with anaconda/pyflakes/pep8 installed) + IPython + pdb + Jupyter
notebooks. The last one is a bit of surprise. I can always jump back to VIM
if I am doing something tricky. Nonetheless, overall use what you like the
most. Whatever you use, be sure to follow good Python etiquette**

** There is written (like PEP8) I gave a talk
<https://prezi.com/cdrj3szmkbxk/write-pretty-code/> awhile back on and so
did Raymond at pycon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M>
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From thomas.j.johnson at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 16:30:28 2016
From: thomas.j.johnson at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 20:30:28 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38v39eXxJ0aHE9hn62N3TjJZZvq4W3m0rku=sNTTdug-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANKg38v39eXxJ0aHE9hn62N3TjJZZvq4W3m0rku=sNTTdug-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACkSTKmvrzevywfb1ht4BkR9HJc_cjm7DqcoCOEcg68yrCrjSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Previously vi, then emacs, then JetBrains. Never going back to vi/emacs
except for the most trivial tasks.
I'm sure you could do everything in vi/emacs that you can do with PyCharm,
but why spend weeks messing with vim plugins or emacs lisp or whatever when
you can have a real IDE.

CLion has even made C++ fun again.

With all that said....if you're just learning to walk, you probably
shouldn't strap on rollerblades. In other words, I don't necessarily
disagree with your professors.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:26 PM Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> To ide or not to ide, that is the question. I'm big fan of free choice. I
> used VIM for many years, an IDE for several years, and now use mostly
> Sublime (with anaconda/pyflakes/pep8 installed) + IPython + pdb + Jupyter
> notebooks. The last one is a bit of surprise. I can always jump back to VIM
> if I am doing something tricky. Nonetheless, overall use what you like the
> most. Whatever you use, be sure to follow good Python etiquette**
>
> ** There is written (like PEP8) I gave a talk
> <https://prezi.com/cdrj3szmkbxk/write-pretty-code/> awhile back on and so
> did Raymond at pycon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M>
> _______________________________________________
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From jsudlow at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 16:32:47 2016
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:32:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38v39eXxJ0aHE9hn62N3TjJZZvq4W3m0rku=sNTTdug-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANKg38v39eXxJ0aHE9hn62N3TjJZZvq4W3m0rku=sNTTdug-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADZ0Dv_08s+aA6cuyFDRycKJ9QpuPT5Kz-rHcAKze2-x2qsKwQ@mail.gmail.com>

I like sublime a lot. For python its super convenient to hit
view-->indentation; convert tabs to spaces to convert every tab to a space
in your selection if your getting confusing indentation errors

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> To ide or not to ide, that is the question. I'm big fan of free choice. I
> used VIM for many years, an IDE for several years, and now use mostly
> Sublime (with anaconda/pyflakes/pep8 installed) + IPython + pdb + Jupyter
> notebooks. The last one is a bit of surprise. I can always jump back to VIM
> if I am doing something tricky. Nonetheless, overall use what you like the
> most. Whatever you use, be sure to follow good Python etiquette**
>
> ** There is written (like PEP8) I gave a talk
> <https://prezi.com/cdrj3szmkbxk/write-pretty-code/> awhile back on and so
> did Raymond at pycon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From abraham.epton at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 16:46:51 2016
From: abraham.epton at gmail.com (Abraham Epton)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 20:46:51 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CADZ0Dv_08s+aA6cuyFDRycKJ9QpuPT5Kz-rHcAKze2-x2qsKwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANKg38v39eXxJ0aHE9hn62N3TjJZZvq4W3m0rku=sNTTdug-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADZ0Dv_08s+aA6cuyFDRycKJ9QpuPT5Kz-rHcAKze2-x2qsKwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFwMuZ9r+SiQiriU1spTcoPpgf1U=gmLrCHgv3SaY-iV50Lf7Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've also found Sublime to substantially outperform vi/vim and basically
any other text editor for viewing gargantuan text files.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:33 PM Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like sublime a lot. For python its super convenient to hit
> view-->indentation; convert tabs to spaces to convert every tab to a space
> in your selection if your getting confusing indentation errors
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To ide or not to ide, that is the question. I'm big fan of free choice. I
> used VIM for many years, an IDE for several years, and now use mostly
> Sublime (with anaconda/pyflakes/pep8 installed) + IPython + pdb + Jupyter
> notebooks. The last one is a bit of surprise. I can always jump back to VIM
> if I am doing something tricky. Nonetheless, overall use what you like the
> most. Whatever you use, be sure to follow good Python etiquette**
>
> ** There is written (like PEP8) I gave a talk
> <https://prezi.com/cdrj3szmkbxk/write-pretty-code/> awhile back on and so
> did Raymond at pycon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>
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From tottinge at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 17:04:32 2016
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 21:04:32 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CAFwMuZ9r+SiQiriU1spTcoPpgf1U=gmLrCHgv3SaY-iV50Lf7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANKg38v39eXxJ0aHE9hn62N3TjJZZvq4W3m0rku=sNTTdug-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADZ0Dv_08s+aA6cuyFDRycKJ9QpuPT5Kz-rHcAKze2-x2qsKwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFwMuZ9r+SiQiriU1spTcoPpgf1U=gmLrCHgv3SaY-iV50Lf7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN2NStk27at4Qu=6hWDmu7cur0nvvCSbN_oq_shB+t1s33AWJg@mail.gmail.com>

Usually VIM. However, lately I've been trying out PyCharm a lot more.


On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:48 PM Abraham Epton <abraham.epton at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've also found Sublime to substantially outperform vi/vim and basically
> any other text editor for viewing gargantuan text files.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:33 PM Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like sublime a lot. For python its super convenient to hit
> view-->indentation; convert tabs to spaces to convert every tab to a space
> in your selection if your getting confusing indentation errors
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To ide or not to ide, that is the question. I'm big fan of free choice. I
> used VIM for many years, an IDE for several years, and now use mostly
> Sublime (with anaconda/pyflakes/pep8 installed) + IPython + pdb + Jupyter
> notebooks. The last one is a bit of surprise. I can always jump back to VIM
> if I am doing something tricky. Nonetheless, overall use what you like the
> most. Whatever you use, be sure to follow good Python etiquette**
>
> ** There is written (like PEP8) I gave a talk
> <https://prezi.com/cdrj3szmkbxk/write-pretty-code/> awhile back on and so
> did Raymond at pycon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From dale at codefu.org  Mon Oct 31 17:15:13 2016
From: dale at codefu.org (Dale)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:15:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEj9N4JHVjsam3xQvxkFye6w20w9ERc7SLc2kneYhVj1ma_mhw@mail.gmail.com>

Looking past my personal opinions for a moment, maybe checking out the 2016
Stack Overflow Developer Survey would be informative.[1]  I hastily and
recklessly downloaded the raw data and filtered it down to the people whose
answer included "Python" for the question "Which of the following languages
or technologies have you done extensive development with in the last year?"
 Here are the top answers for "What development environments do you use
regularly?" from that Python subset.  (Apologies if this table doesn't come
through right?blame Gmail.)

Vim

5004

Sublime

4122

Notepad++

3420

Visual Studio

2891

PyCharm

2775

Eclipse

2616

IntelliJ

2190

Atom

1798

IPython / Jupyter

1501

Android Studio

1493

Emacs

1127

Mind you, respondents could select more than one "languages or
technologies" answer and more than one "development environment" answer, so
these are not Python-specific.  I doubt anyone is using Android Studio to
edit Python.

As you can see, though, "editors" (Vim, Sublime, Notepad++) are indeed very
popular.

Back to anecdotes and opinions, at my Python day job we've got one PyCharm
user, four Emacs users, one Vim user (I think), and one Sublime user.

I am one of those four Emacs users.  I recently tried PyCharm Community
Edition for a couple months.  While it is very impressive, I was put off by
its inability to do everything via the keyboard as I do in Emacs.  I also
missed the ability to quickly and easily customize my editor, as you can do
with Emacs Lisp.  Finally, I missed Emacs's ability to do everything,
including multiple languages (note: use IntelliJ instead of PyCharm and you
get a lot of languages) and especially org-mode.

I'm torn on what I would recommend for someone starting in Python today.  I
think the common wisdom is?or at least was?to learn an "editor" very well,
rather than an IDE, because that editor will go on to serve you well
throughout your career.  But I can't help thinking that if I had started
with PyCharm from the beginning I would never have gotten set in my Emacs
ways, and I could instead be enjoying all an IDE has to offer, like
refactoring, smarter completion, and all the other goodies.

[1]: https://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016

Dale


On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar <programo.sapien at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>
> Regards,
> Aswin.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 17:20:51 2016
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 21:20:51 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CAEj9N4JHVjsam3xQvxkFye6w20w9ERc7SLc2kneYhVj1ma_mhw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB3V1zkjk=gm=4TZCMGp8oYqRQsL_by=iF3rJGTukiVA=9p1jg@mail.gmail.com>

I use emacs for coding in general and for exploratory programming I use
ipython notebooks
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:16 PM Dale <dale at codefu.org> wrote:

> Looking past my personal opinions for a moment, maybe checking out the
> 2016 Stack Overflow Developer Survey would be informative.[1]  I hastily
> and recklessly downloaded the raw data and filtered it down to the people
> whose answer included "Python" for the question "Which of the following
> languages or technologies have you done extensive development with in the
> last year?"  Here are the top answers for "What development environments do
> you use regularly?" from that Python subset.  (Apologies if this table
> doesn't come through right?blame Gmail.)
>
> Vim
>
> 5004
>
> Sublime
>
> 4122
>
> Notepad++
>
> 3420
>
> Visual Studio
>
> 2891
>
> PyCharm
>
> 2775
>
> Eclipse
>
> 2616
>
> IntelliJ
>
> 2190
>
> Atom
>
> 1798
>
> IPython / Jupyter
>
> 1501
>
> Android Studio
>
> 1493
>
> Emacs
>
> 1127
>
> Mind you, respondents could select more than one "languages or
> technologies" answer and more than one "development environment" answer, so
> these are not Python-specific.  I doubt anyone is using Android Studio to
> edit Python.
>
> As you can see, though, "editors" (Vim, Sublime, Notepad++) are indeed
> very popular.
>
> Back to anecdotes and opinions, at my Python day job we've got one PyCharm
> user, four Emacs users, one Vim user (I think), and one Sublime user.
>
> I am one of those four Emacs users.  I recently tried PyCharm Community
> Edition for a couple months.  While it is very impressive, I was put off by
> its inability to do everything via the keyboard as I do in Emacs.  I also
> missed the ability to quickly and easily customize my editor, as you can do
> with Emacs Lisp.  Finally, I missed Emacs's ability to do everything,
> including multiple languages (note: use IntelliJ instead of PyCharm and you
> get a lot of languages) and especially org-mode.
>
> I'm torn on what I would recommend for someone starting in Python today.
> I think the common wisdom is?or at least was?to learn an "editor" very
> well, rather than an IDE, because that editor will go on to serve you well
> throughout your career.  But I can't help thinking that if I had started
> with PyCharm from the beginning I would never have gotten set in my Emacs
> ways, and I could instead be enjoying all an IDE has to offer, like
> refactoring, smarter completion, and all the other goodies.
>
> [1]: https://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016
>
> Dale
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar <programo.sapien at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>
> Regards,
> Aswin.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From bob.haddleton at nokia.com  Mon Oct 31 16:32:03 2016
From: bob.haddleton at nokia.com (HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob))
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:32:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
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Message-ID: <57b21aa4-f45c-9c6f-f791-948e62fcb7cd@nokia.com>

PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their 
students for
real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much expected.

I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated IDE 
used properly
is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many developers 
or which uses a
large number of external modules.

Bob

On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>
> Regards,
> Aswin.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From dnfehrenbach at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 17:41:45 2016
From: dnfehrenbach at gmail.com (Daniel Fehrenbach)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:41:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
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Message-ID: <CAATXiXJH0_rcLYsm4N2nwvPBuDJj8Wqcpj0wMFGdMaXjFhm41w@mail.gmail.com>

Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools - Emacs,
Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it doesn't
hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing code -
you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so if you
can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're pair
programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an editor
you've never used instead of getting work done.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob) <
bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:

> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
> students for
> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much expected.
>
> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated IDE
> used properly
> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many developers
> or which uses a
> large number of external modules.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Aswin.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From japhy at pearachute.com  Mon Oct 31 17:43:28 2016
From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:43:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CAATXiXJH0_rcLYsm4N2nwvPBuDJj8Wqcpj0wMFGdMaXjFhm41w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <57b21aa4-f45c-9c6f-f791-948e62fcb7cd@nokia.com>
 <CAATXiXJH0_rcLYsm4N2nwvPBuDJj8Wqcpj0wMFGdMaXjFhm41w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANTsVH+R+eW9zma7_gWoKpSmLEeFR1drrygpHK5eY3SjFSqOig@mail.gmail.com>

To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!  It's
nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.

I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff for
you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard for
newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra layer
of magic that the bug could be in.

And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand, eg
modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can they
write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like learning
the basics is important.


When you transition to a professional environment though, you're judged by
your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.  Once
you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or whatever
helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on your
peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.

- Japhy





On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools - Emacs,
> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it doesn't
> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing code -
> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so if you
> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're pair
> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an editor
> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob) <
> bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>
>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>> students for
>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>> expected.
>>
>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated IDE
>> used properly
>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many developers
>> or which uses a
>> large number of external modules.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Aswin.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From prometheus235 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 18:18:15 2016
From: prometheus235 at gmail.com (Nick Timkovich)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:18:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
In-Reply-To: <CANTsVH+R+eW9zma7_gWoKpSmLEeFR1drrygpHK5eY3SjFSqOig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ0JsiBEA21j5NoEvPZQAVYq6yYxZckOg1oK+kbn=Os4TXqzDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <57b21aa4-f45c-9c6f-f791-948e62fcb7cd@nokia.com>
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Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits with
cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
"shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some pretty
sweet stuff.

That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
(i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any features
that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use it,
a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing you
can easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't see
a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
battle.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
wrote:

> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!  It's
> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>
> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard for
> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra layer
> of magic that the bug could be in.
>
> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand, eg
> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can they
> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like learning
> the basics is important.
>
>
> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're judged by
> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.  Once
> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or whatever
> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on your
> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>
> - Japhy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools - Emacs,
>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it doesn't
>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing code -
>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so if you
>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're pair
>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an editor
>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob) <
>> bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>>> students for
>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>>> expected.
>>>
>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated IDE
>>> used properly
>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many developers
>>> or which uses a
>>> large number of external modules.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Aswin.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From bob.haugen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 20:20:36 2016
From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 19:20:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
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Anybody else use Kate?

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits with
> cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
> "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some pretty
> sweet stuff.
>
> That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
> (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any features
> that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use it,
> a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing you can
> easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
> possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't see
> a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
> battle.
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
>> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!  It's
>> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>>
>> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
>> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard for
>> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra layer
>> of magic that the bug could be in.
>>
>> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand, eg
>> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can they
>> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like learning
>> the basics is important.
>>
>>
>> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're judged by
>> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.  Once
>> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or whatever
>> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on your
>> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>>
>> - Japhy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools - Emacs,
>>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it doesn't
>>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing code -
>>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so if you
>>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're pair
>>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an editor
>>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>>>> students for
>>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>>>> expected.
>>>>
>>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated IDE
>>>> used properly
>>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many developers
>>>> or which uses a
>>>> large number of external modules.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
>>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
>>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Aswin.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From qholness at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 20:25:26 2016
From: qholness at gmail.com (Quentin Holness)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 19:25:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
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I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and
foremost a Sublime guy.

Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.

On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anybody else use Kate?
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits with
> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some
> pretty
> > sweet stuff.
> >
> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any
> features
> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use
> it,
> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing you
> can
> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't
> see
> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
> > battle.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!
> It's
> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
> >>
> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard
> for
> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra
> layer
> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
> >>
> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand,
> eg
> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can
> they
> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like
> learning
> >> the basics is important.
> >>
> >>
> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're judged
> by
> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.
> Once
> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or
> whatever
> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on
> your
> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
> >>
> >> - Japhy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools - Emacs,
> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it
> doesn't
> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing
> code -
> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so
> if you
> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're
> pair
> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an
> editor
> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
> >>>> students for
> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
> >>>> expected.
> >>>>
> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated
> IDE
> >>>> used properly
> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many
> developers
> >>>> or which uses a
> >>>> large number of external modules.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software
> development
> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors
> abhor
> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Aswin.
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 21:25:30 2016
From: mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com (Michael Tamillow)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 20:25:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
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I'm a strong believer that you should just steal other people's code from github and stack overflow.

No need for a development environment, no need for tests, really, no need for an education system even.

As long as you use spaces and not tabs I don't care.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Quentin Holness <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and foremost a Sublime guy.
> 
> Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anybody else use Kate?
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits with
>> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
>> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some pretty
>> > sweet stuff.
>> >
>> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
>> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any features
>> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use it,
>> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing you can
>> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
>> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't see
>> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
>> > battle.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
>> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!  It's
>> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>> >>
>> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
>> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard for
>> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra layer
>> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
>> >>
>> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand, eg
>> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can they
>> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like learning
>> >> the basics is important.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're judged by
>> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.  Once
>> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or whatever
>> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on your
>> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>> >>
>> >> - Japhy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools - Emacs,
>> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it doesn't
>> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing code -
>> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so if you
>> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're pair
>> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an editor
>> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>> >>>> students for
>> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>> >>>> expected.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated IDE
>> >>>> used properly
>> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many developers
>> >>>> or which uses a
>> >>>> large number of external modules.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
>> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
>> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> Aswin.
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From: anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com (Anish Krishnan)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 21:32:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
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I don't think I've read a more offensive email in my life, and I was
involved in politics for 3 years.

On Oct 31, 2016 8:25 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm a strong believer that you should just steal other people's code from
> github and stack overflow.
>
> No need for a development environment, no need for tests, really, no need
> for an education system even.
>
> As long as you use spaces and not tabs I don't care.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Quentin Holness <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and
> foremost a Sublime guy.
>
> Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.
>
> On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anybody else use Kate?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits
>> with
>> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
>> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some
>> pretty
>> > sweet stuff.
>> >
>> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
>> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any
>> features
>> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use
>> it,
>> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing
>> you can
>> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
>> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't
>> see
>> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
>> > battle.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
>> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!
>> It's
>> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>> >>
>> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
>> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard
>> for
>> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra
>> layer
>> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
>> >>
>> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand,
>> eg
>> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can
>> they
>> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like
>> learning
>> >> the basics is important.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're
>> judged by
>> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.
>> Once
>> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or
>> whatever
>> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on
>> your
>> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>> >>
>> >> - Japhy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools -
>> Emacs,
>> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it
>> doesn't
>> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing
>> code -
>> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so
>> if you
>> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're
>> pair
>> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an
>> editor
>> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>> >>>> students for
>> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>> >>>> expected.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated
>> IDE
>> >>>> used properly
>> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many
>> developers
>> >>>> or which uses a
>> >>>> large number of external modules.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software
>> development
>> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors
>> abhor
>> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> Aswin.
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 23:08:24 2016
From: mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com (Michael Tamillow)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 22:08:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Regarding Text Editors
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I hope that's sarcasm...

Check Wikileaks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Anish Krishnan <anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't think I've read a more offensive email in my life, and I was involved in politics for 3 years.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2016 8:25 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm a strong believer that you should just steal other people's code from github and stack overflow.
>> 
>> No need for a development environment, no need for tests, really, no need for an education system even.
>> 
>> As long as you use spaces and not tabs I don't care.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Quentin Holness <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and foremost a Sublime guy.
>>> 
>>> Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anybody else use Kate?
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits with
>>>> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
>>>> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some pretty
>>>> > sweet stuff.
>>>> >
>>>> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
>>>> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any features
>>>> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use it,
>>>> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing you can
>>>> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
>>>> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't see
>>>> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
>>>> > battle.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>>>> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
>>>> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!  It's
>>>> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
>>>> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard for
>>>> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra layer
>>>> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand, eg
>>>> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can they
>>>> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like learning
>>>> >> the basics is important.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're judged by
>>>> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.  Once
>>>> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or whatever
>>>> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on your
>>>> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - Japhy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>>>> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools - Emacs,
>>>> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it doesn't
>>>> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing code -
>>>> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so if you
>>>> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're pair
>>>> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an editor
>>>> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>>>> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>>>> >>>> students for
>>>> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>>>> >>>> expected.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated IDE
>>>> >>>> used properly
>>>> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many developers
>>>> >>>> or which uses a
>>>> >>>> large number of external modules.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Bob
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
>>>> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
>>>> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>>>> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>> Aswin.
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 22:25:31 -0500
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(Yes, it was sarcasm.)

On Oct 31, 2016 10:08 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I hope that's sarcasm...
>
> Check Wikileaks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Anish Krishnan <anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I don't think I've read a more offensive email in my life, and I was
> involved in politics for 3 years.
>
> On Oct 31, 2016 8:25 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a strong believer that you should just steal other people's code from
>> github and stack overflow.
>>
>> No need for a development environment, no need for tests, really, no need
>> for an education system even.
>>
>> As long as you use spaces and not tabs I don't care.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Quentin Holness <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and
>> foremost a Sublime guy.
>>
>> Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody else use Kate?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits
>>> with
>>> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just
>>> to
>>> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some
>>> pretty
>>> > sweet stuff.
>>> >
>>> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
>>> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any
>>> features
>>> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also
>>> use it,
>>> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing
>>> you can
>>> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
>>> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and
>>> don't see
>>> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next
>>> holy
>>> > battle.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>>> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration,
>>> it's
>>> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based
>>> editor!  It's
>>> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does
>>> stuff
>>> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's
>>> hard for
>>> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra
>>> layer
>>> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
>>> >>
>>> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really
>>> understand, eg
>>> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can
>>> they
>>> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like
>>> learning
>>> >> the basics is important.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're
>>> judged by
>>> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal
>>> preference.  Once
>>> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or
>>> whatever
>>> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on
>>> your
>>> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>>> >>
>>> >> - Japhy
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>>> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools -
>>> Emacs,
>>> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it
>>> doesn't
>>> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing
>>> code -
>>> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so
>>> if you
>>> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if
>>> you're pair
>>> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an
>>> editor
>>> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>>> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>>> >>>> students for
>>> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>>> >>>> expected.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated
>>> IDE
>>> >>>> used properly
>>> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many
>>> developers
>>> >>>> or which uses a
>>> >>>> large number of external modules.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Bob
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software
>>> development
>>> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors
>>> abhor
>>> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>>> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>> Aswin.
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> >>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>>> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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