[Chicago] Regarding Text Editors

Tue Nov 1 07:16:05 EDT 2016

Jason,

A first step to browse a large library with vim is exuberant ctags. This
creats a file that vim uses to navigate source code.

http://www.held.org.il/blog/2011/02/configuring-ctags-for-python-and-vim/

This helps a fair amount with completion as well.

I hear 'gnu global' is similar to ctags but better for larger code bases.
I have not used it.

There are vim plugins that support more of the completing features you've
discussed. They are not easy to setup compared to pycharm.

On Nov 1, 2016 5:52 AM, "Jason Wirth" <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those using vim, how do you jump to definitions of a class, function,
> etc in a large project?
>
> I like vim but I love PyCharm (used with him kebindings). Whenever in
> don't know how something works, I can jump to the definition in the source.
> This works even when it's defined somewhere else.
>
> Also, are there ways to view classes methods and properties? Eg
>
> class Foo(Bar):
> Pass
>
> I should be able to see the methods Foo has (by virtue of sub classing
> Bar), as well as what methods are overridden. More importantly, I need to
> see it even when Bar is defined in a other module.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:25 PM Anish Krishnan <
> anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> (Yes, it was sarcasm.)
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016 10:08 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I hope that's sarcasm...
>>
>> Check Wikileaks.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Anish Krishnan <
>> anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think I've read a more offensive email in my life, and I was
>> involved in politics for 3 years.
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016 8:25 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a strong believer that you should just steal other people's code from
>> github and stack overflow.
>>
>> No need for a development environment, no need for tests, really, no need
>> for an education system even.
>>
>> As long as you use spaces and not tabs I don't care.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Quentin Holness <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and
>> foremost a Sublime guy.
>>
>> Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anybody else use Kate?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits
>> with
>> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
>> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some
>> pretty
>> > sweet stuff.
>> >
>> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
>> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any
>> features
>> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use
>> it,
>> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing
>> you can
>> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
>> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't
>> see
>> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
>> > battle.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
>> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!
>> It's
>> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>> >>
>> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
>> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard
>> for
>> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra
>> layer
>> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
>> >>
>> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand,
>> eg
>> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can
>> they
>> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like
>> learning
>> >> the basics is important.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're
>> judged by
>> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.
>> Once
>> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or
>> whatever
>> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on
>> your
>> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>> >>
>> >> - Japhy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools -
>> Emacs,
>> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it
>> doesn't
>> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing
>> code -
>> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so
>> if you
>> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're
>> pair
>> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an
>> editor
>> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>> >>>> students for
>> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>> >>>> expected.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated
>> IDE
>> >>>> used properly
>> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many
>> developers
>> >>>> or which uses a
>> >>>> large number of external modules.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software
>> development
>> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors
>> abhor
>> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> Aswin.
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