[Chicago] Python 3.5 in Ubuntu???
Lewit, Douglas
d-lewit at neiu.edu
Mon Jan 25 15:13:31 EST 2016
You're welcome Randy! :-)
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you, Douglas, for allowing me to intro this rabbit trail, EvilJoel
> for getting me out here, Rob, Sheila, Tanya and Steven for your links and
> comments.
>
> Best Thread Ever!
>
> Raspbian, first heard that spoken out loud at TXRX maker space last Friday
> night.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Randy,
>>
>> This is really over my head, but I do know someone who is into security
>> big time. ( Interesting that Python is frequently used to write scripts
>> that attach themselves to executable files and then.... well, hack!!! ) I
>> know there are at least two teams of hackers, the so-called "Red" team and
>> the "Blue" team, and within those categories you have the defensive and
>> offensive hackers. Interestingly enough, a lot of these people end up
>> working for the government and big corporations because.... well, you gotta
>> fight fire with fire. I do know that a lot of these companies, and I'm
>> sure the Houston Police Department is no exception, will officially
>> authorize these hackers to break into their system to see just how secure
>> the system really is. It's like my paying the kid next door to throw a
>> baseball at my front door window because I want to see just how strong the
>> window's glass really is.
>>
>> I got into computing really because of math. And I never really left my
>> math roots. I need to learn more about web programming and cyber security
>> because that's where the big jobs are, but still.... when I pick up a CS
>> book I always head straight over to the chapters on searching and sorting.
>> I guess that's boring stuff compared to web development and computer
>> security, but it's what I'm comfortable studying.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not type very fast or for that matter even talk as fast as my mind
>>> thinks. When this question was first posed I was a bit surprised that no
>>> one was responding that this was not the trusted version. I have not
>>> learned enough about how trusted versions become trusted versions and not
>>> working for Innova or B of A or one of the other major companies using
>>> Python for production work and security sensitive applications I have to
>>> believe that they have folks who are producing in house solutions to these
>>> issues. With a desire to use Python in my civic hacking world I am
>>> currently working with the group I am part of from the group winning a city
>>> of Houston Hackathon for a Houston Police Department phone app. Once the
>>> phone app is complete the security issues become huge in the minds of the
>>> folks at the department. The current budget and structure of IT at the
>>> department somehow created the desire within them to approach us as hackers
>>> to do this app and I see hackers beginning to want more data from the
>>> department that would be useful. So a lot of words I guess to say where are
>>> the standards and security committees for Ubuntu and Python and how would a
>>> civic hacking organization interact with them?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Evil Joel,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the information. For right now I'm going to try to tame my
>>>> urge to have "the latest and greatest" version. I don't even know
>>>> everything that 3.4 has to offer, so there's no rush for me to dive into
>>>> 3.5 just yet.
>>>> Thanks for letting me know about the LTS thing. For some reason I
>>>> thought that Ubuntu 15.04 was an LTS release. I totally agree with your
>>>> comment about security. These days when we've got elementary school kids
>>>> playing around with software like OpenVAS and WireShark, computer users
>>>> have to be very aware of privacy and security issues.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:39 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I'm assuming you tried to install this via the package manager,
>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no "Ubuntu 15.04 LTS". There is "Ubuntu 15.04" but it is not a
>>>>> Long Term Support release. The next LTS release will be out in April
>>>>> (Ubuntu 16.04 LTS) and will officially support Python 3.5.1. I never
>>>>> bother with any versions of Ubuntu outside of LTS releases. I find
>>>>> non-LTS releases to be too unstable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead I would probably try to find a PPA for Python 3.5.
>>>>> Unfortunately, there does not appear to be an official one but there is
>>>>> this PPA that is updated by a community member:
>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/ubuntu/deadsnakes
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, there is some greater risk of using community maintained
>>>>> software, especially with regards to security.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>> eviljoel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/21/2016 09:33 PM, Mike Tamillow wrote:
>>>>> > Have you checked out your version of Tkinter Doug? Or have you looked
>>>>> > into the IDLE source code?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > You have to gain more information on the problem and the machine will
>>>>> > give you the answer. It's a rabbit hole if you can't narrow down the
>>>>> > problem, but it sounds like you can. In that case it's just
>>>>> troubleshooting.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Jan 22, 2016, at 12:06 AM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu
>>>>> > <mailto:d-lewit at neiu.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Thanks Phil. You're right, it's a rabbit hole! It's all good. I
>>>>> >> don't mind playing around with Python 3.5 in the command line. I've
>>>>> >> noticed that various software developers go to great lengths to
>>>>> create
>>>>> >> very user-friendly graphical installers for Windows and Mac OS-X,
>>>>> but
>>>>> >> when it comes to non-Mac versions of Unix, and also Linux, the
>>>>> >> installers are definitely less user-friendly. Something tells me
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> if Guido was sitting here right now in front of my computer, he
>>>>> could
>>>>> >> figure it out, but alas, that's not going to happen! :-)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Robare, Phillip (TEKSystems)
>>>>> >> <proba at allstate.com <mailto:proba at allstate.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Your version of python was probably compiled without the support
>>>>> >> for Tkinter. If Unix is used as a server you don’t need the
>>>>> >> graphic stuff. I believe there is an additional package to
>>>>> >> apt-get install for Ubuntu that will provide idle and x-windows
>>>>> >> support.____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Learning about how Python is built is going down a rabbit hole
>>>>> >> which may eventually be rewarding but is sure to be quite
>>>>> >> confusing to start with. Check out the documentation of the
>>>>> >> sysconfig and distutils.sysconfig modules to start.____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Phil Robare____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> TEK Systems / Allstate QR&A____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 847-667-0431 <tel:847-667-0431>____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> D2W-703F____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *From:*Chicago [mailto:chicago-bounces+proba
>>>>> >> <mailto:chicago-bounces%2Bproba>=allstate.com at python.org
>>>>> >> <mailto:allstate.com at python.org>] *On Behalf Of *Lewit, Douglas
>>>>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 5:28 PM
>>>>> >> *To:* The Chicago Python Users Group
>>>>> >> *Subject:* [Chicago] Python 3.5 in Ubuntu???____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hey guys,____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I recently installed Python 3.5 Idle on my Mac. Very simple
>>>>> >> installation. The installation was not as easy or as painless
>>>>> on
>>>>> >> my Linux machine. I followed the directions, and Python 3.5 (
>>>>> or
>>>>> >> at least the command to launch it ) was successfully installed
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> /usr/bin. BUT there were/are a couple of little issues.
>>>>> >> Initially I was not able to launch Terminal! ( Not good
>>>>> because I
>>>>> >> use Terminal quite a lot. ) I did some homework on the Ubuntu
>>>>> >> Forum and learned that Ubuntu's Terminal requires Python 3.4 as
>>>>> a
>>>>> >> dependency. During the installation of Python 3.5, the symlink
>>>>> >> "python3" got changed to point to Python 3.5. So I had to go
>>>>> back
>>>>> >> to /usr/bin ( in xterm, a Terminal alternative for just these
>>>>> >> emergencies ) and rename my "python3" symlink so that it points
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> Python 3.4 and NOT Python 3.5. With that done I was able to
>>>>> >> launch Terminal just like before.____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> BUT.... idle3.5 does not work. The command is there in usr/bin,
>>>>> >> but it fails with some warning message about how my version of
>>>>> >> Python is not configured to work with Tk or Tkinter. (
>>>>> However,
>>>>> >> my other Python versions do not have this problem, and for those
>>>>> >> versions IDLE runs without a glitch. ) Does anyone have a
>>>>> >> solution for this? How can I configure my Python 3.5 to
>>>>> >> successfully import Tkinter and thus launch an IDLE shell? Any
>>>>> >> advice is appreciated. I'm running Ubuntu 15.04 LTS.
>>>>> Thanks!!!____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best,____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Douglas Lewit____
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> __ __
>>>>> >>
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