From dinaldo at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 21:06:15 2015
From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:06:15 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
Message-ID: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>

So this has happened a lot in the past, where everybody figures a major
contributor to the Python global community is already recognized as a PSF
Fellow and nobody does anything to nominate a deserving individual.

PSF is still working out how to recognize PSF Fellows going forward. In the
interim board member M.-A. Lemburg instructed me to put my nominations on
the PSF Wiki.

Here's my nomination of Brian Ray. Any mistakes are mine alone. Any current
members of the Board and PSF Fellows, please join me in supporting Brian
Ray's recognition as a PSF Fellow.

https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSoftwareFoundation/FellowNominations#preview

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From jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 18:47:12 2015
From: jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com (Jeremy McMillan)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:47:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
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So, are they running out of candidates?

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Don Sheu <dinaldo at gmail.com> wrote:

> So this has happened a lot in the past, where everybody figures a major
> contributor to the Python global community is already recognized as a PSF
> Fellow and nobody does anything to nominate a deserving individual.
>
> PSF is still working out how to recognize PSF Fellows going forward. In
> the interim board member M.-A. Lemburg instructed me to put my nominations
> on the PSF Wiki.
>
> Here's my nomination of Brian Ray. Any mistakes are mine alone. Any
> current members of the Board and PSF Fellows, please join me in supporting
> Brian Ray's recognition as a PSF Fellow.
>
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSoftwareFoundation/FellowNominations#preview
>
> --
> Don Sheu
> (312) 880-9389
>
>   *Apply to join us at www.openforcetour.org
> <http://www.openforcetour.org/>*
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From shekay at pobox.com  Sat Jul  4 18:54:27 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
In-Reply-To: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbpDHXpWY7mw5QZ+mmu7QFCG4RiaeGOE6zy_1BHqbU0hQ@mail.gmail.com>

I thought Brian was a founding member, not the founding member. I have been
going to meetings on and off for 10 years and Chris was running them some
years ago. I don't know who else founded the group. I remember Brian
talking about one of the early meetings when John Hunter came to visit us.
Maybe it was the first meeting? It would be interesting to hear about.


On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Don Sheu <dinaldo at gmail.com> wrote:

> So this has happened a lot in the past, where everybody figures a major
> contributor to the Python global community is already recognized as a PSF
> Fellow and nobody does anything to nominate a deserving individual.
>
> PSF is still working out how to recognize PSF Fellows going forward. In
> the interim board member M.-A. Lemburg instructed me to put my nominations
> on the PSF Wiki.
>
> Here's my nomination of Brian Ray. Any mistakes are mine alone. Any
> current members of the Board and PSF Fellows, please join me in supporting
> Brian Ray's recognition as a PSF Fellow.
>
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSoftwareFoundation/FellowNominations#preview
>
> --
> Don Sheu
> (312) 880-9389
>
>   *Apply to join us at www.openforcetour.org
> <http://www.openforcetour.org/>*
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From dinaldo at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 19:31:26 2015
From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:31:26 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbpDHXpWY7mw5QZ+mmu7QFCG4RiaeGOE6zy_1BHqbU0hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>
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Yup,not the support I was seeking. Maybe there should be a day like the
movie *A Day Without Mexicans* where Python user group organizers just
leave.

I know with my own group, it's just a magical mystery that we've had a
meetup every month for nearly a year.

Maybe Chris could take over and make sure ChiPy meetings happen every
month.

I have missed meetings in the short history of PuPPy. I asked Brian about
making ChiPy meetings, he's fashioned his work schedule so he makes it back
for ChiPy meetings.

I often thought the ChiPy community took his efforts for granted, thanks
for illuminating that fact Sheila. :p
?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> I thought Brian was a founding member, not the founding member. I have
> been going to meetings on and off for 10 years and Chris was running them
> some years ago. I don't know who else founded the group. I remember Brian
> talking about one of the early meetings when John Hunter came to visit us.
> Maybe it was the first meeting? It would be interesting to hear about.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Don Sheu <dinaldo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So this has happened a lot in the past, where everybody figures a major
>> contributor to the Python global community is already recognized as a PSF
>> Fellow and nobody does anything to nominate a deserving individual.
>>
>> PSF is still working out how to recognize PSF Fellows going forward. In
>> the interim board member M.-A. Lemburg instructed me to put my nominations
>> on the PSF Wiki.
>>
>> Here's my nomination of Brian Ray. Any mistakes are mine alone. Any
>> current members of the Board and PSF Fellows, please join me in supporting
>> Brian Ray's recognition as a PSF Fellow.
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSoftwareFoundation/FellowNominations#preview
>>
>> --
>> Don Sheu
>> (312) 880-9389
>>
>>   *Apply to join us at www.openforcetour.org
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>



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From shekay at pobox.com  Sat Jul  4 20:30:03 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:30:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
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References: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHCs_rbpDHXpWY7mw5QZ+mmu7QFCG4RiaeGOE6zy_1BHqbU0hQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbEH14w1Ghtw2oDFpbF8za=ekGfXr1dFRk0fhGWEHAvVw@mail.gmail.com>

I was not being sarcastic and did not intend to provoke you. I don't like
when people (usually women and minorities, but not in this case) get erased
from founding stories and I was unhappy to see you do this in your
nomination.

I know how much work it takes to make things happen. I know if the board of
my hackerspace stepped down things that need to get done wouldn't until
more people stepped up. And I know how hard it is to get people to run for
boards.

Brian's work is not invisible to me.

I apologize for bringing this up in your thread.

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 21:32:08 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:32:08 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
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Message-ID: <CANKg38vR6rpev-zE0H8G_X8FZmNLZHz42j8sXWoioQwkPytphQ@mail.gmail.com>

I do in fact have a couple really good John Hunter stories. RIP.

So, some may recall in early ChiPy years I hosted most of the first
meetings at my office on Michigan Ave. We had no real projector in the very
fancy (at the time) conference room overlooking the mag mile. Being
amateurish organizer, I thought we could just hook up to the flat screen.

John and I had met several times where he taught me a thing or two about
how he used Python doing some charts. He loved opensource yet he was a
scientist at the time. Michael Tobis and John Hunter worked together at U
of C. All three of us, along with Aaron lav, Ian Bicking, (I think maybe
Luke Opperman), Chris McAvoy (who actually arranged the meeting) all met at
Goose Island and that is where ChiPy was officially born. They spoke of
getting David Beazley to join, but I think he tough class that night. Ian
Bicking also hosted some meetings at Imaginary Landscape. In reality, we
would joke that each meeting was JIT compiled and were a very disorganized
group. I assumed a more formal "organizer" roll once I realized out of the
fear that the group would die without this, I was the finding locations for
the group to meet.

Truth is I did not use python for much more than generating Postscript to
run big digital printers at the time. Nonetheless, John did take the time
to spend some 1-1 time with me after a very unfortunate first presentation
at ChiPy... I liked things like making PDF files with Python vs Web Pages.
I just found myself surrounded by some really kinds, really open minded,
very smart, Python developers. John Hunter really opened my eyes up to the
power of converting an idea into action.

Back to the meeting ...The AV went horribly wrong. Rob Kapteyn may recall.
And it was one of the very first presentations that actually had something
real to show on the screen. I was actually blown away with his
presentation. We all crowded around his laptop in the team break room at my
office. It was the first time I had seen matplotlib do anything more than
the many examples John had on the website. I demonstrated on one his
friends (Fernado's) pet project what eventually became the ipython shell.
The graphs did not just display, they actually were animated as well. He
explained how he has several different rendering backends on matplotlib. As
more of an engineer (which I am still today), I was fascinated how well
Python allowed the different back ends to be glued together.

We all learned. That is what ChiPy is all about. We also learned a bit
about eachother. I think John was actually a very private man in a lot of
ways. He just sort of became famous in our community from doing really
great work. I really only want to be famous for the same things. Others
have noticed in last couple years there are some people who have a
fundamental misunderstanding why ChiPy is the best user group ever** (I was
warned by a fellow member that there were some people angry with the
group's direction and where specifically trying to do what they can to kill
the group. They would try things like start new groups Python related in
Chicago. Forge relationships with our existing sponsors. Speak illy about
the group in the name of lack of diversity. Try to introduce the concept of
private vs free and paying vendors). It has nothing to do with acting like
we are the cool, most diverse, most hipster, blah blah blah ... dev culture
hub. We probably are not even cool. Instead, I just want to be a group of
people like John Hunter who just did what they loved, shared with others
passion, and did really great stuff.

RIP John Hunter and I am sorry for not having a really great projector at
what was, at the time, the best meeting ever.
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 22:21:27 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:21:27 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy July Meeting: Mentorship Talks
Message-ID: <CANKg38ue1UNtsSN24=u3V4Ctc-e_f9uOhQhHRN0iNo+JdXor2w@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Fourth Everyone.

We found a great space for our July meeting. WeWork Chicago!

 July 9, 2015, 7 p.m.

Please accept our pull requests!

class JulyMeeting(Meetings):
    """ Best ever """
    def get_info(self):
        return {
            "Food and Drink":  Provided("beer", "pizza"),
            "Expect to meet great people": True,
            "Python experience required": None,
            "You will learn something": True,
            "You can teach others": True,
            "Cost of attending":  0.0,
            "Expected turn out": Great("best ever"),
            "Expected quality: 10.0/10.0,
            "OH": "This will be our best meeting ever"}



WeWork
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=220+N+Green+Street%2C+Chicago%2C+IL%2C+us>

220 N Green Street, Chicago, IL
RSVP here:  http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/events/223700984/

OR here: http://www.chipy.org/



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Collection of talks from the Mentorship program Mentees and Mentors on
topics like: Raspberry Pi , Machine Learning, Django Study Group,
Visualization...

More details:

Building a Temperature Control Program for Monitoring Aquaculture Tanks
Using Raspberry Pi and Python
(0:07:00 Minutes)
By: Thao Nguyen
Growth of the Mentee as a Pythonista I have turned from totally no
experience with Python to gaining a good amount of knowledge in this
language. I have learned from the very basic syntaxes to writing functions,
then writing functions for different types of data (list, string, integer,
decimal, float, epoch, threshold?) to serve various purposes; I know how to
install redis, bokeh and flask for data acquisition, storage and
performance; I also learned how to send an email alert from the Raspberry
Pi with Python, thanks to the hackathon midterm meetup and my mentor. And
because our project covers a wide range of activities, I have learned a lot
of the fundamental elements of Python as well as programming in general.
Above all, the best thing I have learned about Python through this
Mentorship program is being confident and feeling more comfortable with it.
Before this project, I wasn?t really sure about Python. Is it what I want
or I might be better off with other languages? But after finished the
project, I can say it was fun, and it serves well what I want to do. So I
decided to move forward with it. And even though this is my very first
programming language, but the dynamic from its strong supportive community,
rich wonderful open sources and inspiring opportunities like this
Mentorship program, all makes me feel that Python is a good choice. The
Mentor's role When I asked my mentor for his advices on learning
programming, he told me that to him, the best way to learn is doing
projects, just like what we are doing. And that is so true. Sometimes I
feel like the best way of learning how to swim is just jumping into the
water, like doing a project; it can be scary, uncertain, and possibly
failed, but it can also be very exciting and thrilling. Of course, one
should only jump with a life preserver if she never knows how to swim
before. And our mentors are life preservers. For a novice, it could be very
confused at first of where to go, what direction to take, or how to get
there; and easy be overwhelmed by too much information. The life saver may
not be able to tell you what direction to take either, but at least, it
will help you have some time to think and to practice before you decide
your next moves. Obviously, a mentor is much better than a life saver,
because no life saver can talk nor answer questions; and the best part is,
they have a lot of experiences in their hands and are willing to share them
with you. Thao Nguyen

Machine Learning with Python
(0:07:00 Minutes)
By: Alexander Flyax
I will briefly describe my journey into applied machine learning using
Python packages like scikit-learn and statsmodels.

Why learning process matters to student dev's
By: Lane Campbell
I took up learning Python and Web Development early this year. I started
attending Django lessons held by folks in the community. After the lessons
students had trouble finding help learning together. To help everyone
organize I founded the Django Study Group. I've been learning for the last
six months but I am still a student. I joined the Chipy mentorship program
to learn from a local professional Python developer. While enrolled in that
I took the opportunity to join a student team led by Brian Ray for more
experience learning to code. It was working alongside Brian that I learned
the importance of how you build software.

Formula One Data Visualization and Interpretation: adventures in mentorship
(0:07:00 Minutes)
By: Seth Difley
We participated in the Chipy mentorship program. Our plan for the
mentorship was to use Python to visualize and interpret Formula One racing
data. Join us to hear about the triumphs and obstacles we encountered along
the way.





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@brianray
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From dinaldo at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 23:02:52 2015
From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 14:02:52 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
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I apologize for the tone of my email Sheila. As I state in my nomination
that mistakes are mine alone. I wasn't present for the early days of ChiPy.
You were.

I interpreted your email incorrectly as a diminution of Brian's
contributions. I do encourage you to put forth with the PSF nominations of
others responsible for launching ChiPy. I think it's one of the most
important user groups in the world not just for Python but for open source
in general.

My comments didn't add to the efforts of the group or to foster respectful
and encouraging communication, and I apologize. Warmest wishes Sheila, Don
?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:30 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
>
> I was not being sarcastic and did not intend to provoke you. I don't like
> when people (usually women and minorities, but not in this case) get erased
> from founding stories and I was unhappy to see you do this in your
> nomination.
>
> I know how much work it takes to make things happen. I know if the board
> of my hackerspace stepped down things that need to get done wouldn't until
> more people stepped up. And I know how hard it is to get people to run for
> boards.
>
> Brian's work is not invisible to me.
>
> I apologize for bringing this up in your thread.
>
> --
> shekay at pobox.com
>



-- 
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(312) 880-9389

  *Apply to join us at www.openforcetour.org
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Jul  6 15:10:13 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 08:10:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
In-Reply-To: <CACvX9QAbh_4RZ_D4LDK5kUhJydGa8xF3jUBQh4QFM183DK=WgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks, it is a good idea to foster respectful communication.

I checked, and I cannot nominate people since I am not currently a Fellow.
Carl is, but I've noticed that a lot of the people we work with on python
things are already Fellows.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Don Sheu <dinaldo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I apologize for the tone of my email Sheila. As I state in my nomination
> that mistakes are mine alone. I wasn't present for the early days of ChiPy.
> You were.
>
> I interpreted your email incorrectly as a diminution of Brian's
> contributions. I do encourage you to put forth with the PSF nominations of
> others responsible for launching ChiPy. I think it's one of the most
> important user groups in the world not just for Python but for open source
> in general.
>
> My comments didn't add to the efforts of the group or to foster respectful
> and encouraging communication, and I apologize. Warmest wishes Sheila, Don
> ?
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:30 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I was not being sarcastic and did not intend to provoke you. I don't like
>> when people (usually women and minorities, but not in this case) get erased
>> from founding stories and I was unhappy to see you do this in your
>> nomination.
>>
>> I know how much work it takes to make things happen. I know if the board
>> of my hackerspace stepped down things that need to get done wouldn't until
>> more people stepped up. And I know how hard it is to get people to run for
>> boards.
>>
>> Brian's work is not invisible to me.
>>
>> I apologize for bringing this up in your thread.
>>
>> --
>> shekay at pobox.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Don Sheu
> (312) 880-9389
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 18:52:32 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:52:32 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Online training
Message-ID: <CANKg38vnLy-M8FqHwo7GU=Jz-qSZau44wZb0Z9cdbOX9zWe9Cg@mail.gmail.com>

A headhunter is asking for a list of resources for online Python training.
Presumably, he will be referring these resources to  candidates who didn't
make the cut.

Thanks, Brian



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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 18:48:53 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Python kids classes
Message-ID: <CANKg38s7Z8kX7+cPMrD1zYABCQx6wP4o-V_cEvWN6d2QcyXvvw@mail.gmail.com>

A friend's asking if there are any kids classes in Chicago. He lives in
Northern burbs. Kids are 9-16yrs.

Ideas, Brian



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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Jul  6 18:58:56 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 11:58:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Online training
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38vnLy-M8FqHwo7GU=Jz-qSZau44wZb0Z9cdbOX9zWe9Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vnLy-M8FqHwo7GU=Jz-qSZau44wZb0Z9cdbOX9zWe9Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbZK_wx6mbws14spLFPfymZ0DGUVR70DmpjewQnhpwycw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> A headhunter is asking for a list of resources for online Python training.
> Presumably, he will be referring these resources to  candidates who didn't
> make the cut.


I maintain a list here
https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours

If people have suggestions, let me know.


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From dinaldo at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:04:21 2015
From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Python kids classes
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38s7Z8kX7+cPMrD1zYABCQx6wP4o-V_cEvWN6d2QcyXvvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s7Z8kX7+cPMrD1zYABCQx6wP4o-V_cEvWN6d2QcyXvvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvX9QA0=m-VhRX9Tzqc-UvZu3_aExdkv=SuQsRpa1jDLz41YQ@mail.gmail.com>

Elliott, thought you may have some ideas? Coding education for kids 9-16
years old.

ChiPy, Elliott's founder of Trinket.io, a company assisting in coding
education. Trinket allows for writing, running, and sharing code in
browser.
?

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> A friend's asking if there are any kids classes in Chicago. He lives in
> Northern burbs. Kids are 9-16yrs.
>
> Ideas, Brian
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
>
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From bkellgren at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:08:58 2015
From: bkellgren at gmail.com (Brett Kellgren)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:08:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python kids classes
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38s7Z8kX7+cPMrD1zYABCQx6wP4o-V_cEvWN6d2QcyXvvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s7Z8kX7+cPMrD1zYABCQx6wP4o-V_cEvWN6d2QcyXvvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B74BB42-659D-420A-8140-A448BB1D17A9@gmail.com>

I'll take the opportunity to plug CoderDojoChi (coderdojochi.org).  We offer free coding classes to kids 7-17 at various locations in Chicago.

We are on the verge of releasing our python based robotics course (sometime this summer) but we have some upcoming html and CSS classes they should look into.

Feel free to let me know if you have any questions and we are always looking for mentors also!

coderdojochi.org

P.s.  We are 100% donation and volunteer based so please forgive the plug.

Thanks!
Brett
CoderDojoChi Board Member 

> On Jul 6, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A friend's asking if there are any kids classes in Chicago. He lives in Northern burbs. Kids are 9-16yrs.
> 
> Ideas, Brian
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Brian Ray 
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From jp at zavteq.com  Mon Jul  6 19:10:00 2015
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:10:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Online training
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbZK_wx6mbws14spLFPfymZ0DGUVR70DmpjewQnhpwycw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vnLy-M8FqHwo7GU=Jz-qSZau44wZb0Z9cdbOX9zWe9Cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHCs_rbZK_wx6mbws14spLFPfymZ0DGUVR70DmpjewQnhpwycw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOL2cRROBomWKk_fiTKhJNub15D7Vzj+7jrPw2R0Puxanywmtw@mail.gmail.com>

Sheila - Great list of resources.

I might suggest for online course providers suggestion, Stanford offers
some great programming resources as well:

http://online.stanford.edu/search/node/programming
http://online.stanford.edu/search/node/computer%20science

JP

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:58 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A headhunter is asking for a list of resources for online Python
>> training. Presumably, he will be referring these resources to  candidates
>> who didn't make the cut.
>
>
> I maintain a list here
> https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
>
> If people have suggestions, let me know.
>
>
> --
> shekay at pobox.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>


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From dinaldo at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:10:34 2015
From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:10:34 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Online training
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbZK_wx6mbws14spLFPfymZ0DGUVR70DmpjewQnhpwycw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vnLy-M8FqHwo7GU=Jz-qSZau44wZb0Z9cdbOX9zWe9Cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHCs_rbZK_wx6mbws14spLFPfymZ0DGUVR70DmpjewQnhpwycw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvX9QAZAt0wTGUV4X0DorifyFswKKXUdsT-rSnAuDVFY9e_7w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm copying in David Kurkov my fellow PuPPy organizer. He's been running a
Programming Night on Thursdays.

Here's some courses he'd suggested our members try out:

? MITx class on edx.org called ?Introduction to Computer Science and
Programming Using Python? started on 6/10 -
https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-computer-science-mitx-6-00-1x-0

? RealPython Course - an awesome course that takes you from a beginner in
Python to having a great foundation as a full-stack python dev -
https://realpython.com/ ; use promo code ?50OFF4FB? to get 50% off.

? Introduction to Python on Codecademy:
http://www.codecademy.com/en/tracks/python

? Rice University's Introduction to Interactive Programming in Python
https://www.coursera.org/course/interactivepython1
?

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:58 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A headhunter is asking for a list of resources for online Python
>> training. Presumably, he will be referring these resources to  candidates
>> who didn't make the cut.
>
>
> I maintain a list here
> https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
>
> If people have suggestions, let me know.
>
>
> --
> shekay at pobox.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:24:09 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:24:09 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rYf7+FO=0X4sCQDrt3pnqynFFZavWo-Xuq+Uch9ydWTsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHCs_rbpDHXpWY7mw5QZ+mmu7QFCG4RiaeGOE6zy_1BHqbU0hQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACvX9QDOKTYm+6ENAcUn8njJ_78Za8-t5qLSMfGM0QFo6TweTg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey, Don:

Thank you. It's an honor.

As always, the voice of the club comes first. Based on responses, please
withdraw my nomination.

Let's get back to talking about Python folks!

Cheers, Brian

>
>

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From david at graniteweb.com  Mon Jul  6 19:37:48 2015
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:37:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38ubcvxxQOVC+OPpTdh-Tr5BEnC6_g+qQ_H2dmBq8u_Q9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHCs_rbpDHXpWY7mw5QZ+mmu7QFCG4RiaeGOE6zy_1BHqbU0hQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACvX9QDOKTYm+6ENAcUn8njJ_78Za8-t5qLSMfGM0QFo6TweTg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20150706173748.GG7597@wdfs>

* Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> [2015-07-06 13:24]:
> Hey, Don:
> 
> Thank you. It's an honor.
> 
> As always, the voice of the club comes first. Based on responses, please
> withdraw my nomination.
> 
> Let's get back to talking about Python folks!

I didn't see anything bad in the nomination, Brian.  I only saw mention
in the discussion to clarify there were others involved in the founding
(e.g., I was there, too).  I think you are very deserving and the
nomination should stand.  Your *continued* efforts to keep things
rolling are what really matter in this case.  If it's possible to edit
the nomination to show the creation of ChiPy was a group effort, I think
that would be more than sufficient; but you should not lose credit for
what you have done due to an oversight in wording.

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:52:21 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:52:21 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
In-Reply-To: <20150706173748.GG7597@wdfs>
References: <CACvX9QA_AfuVHSA1jCesBkfbBrMq716b6v6JDZGoeBxWKLUWNA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHCs_rbpDHXpWY7mw5QZ+mmu7QFCG4RiaeGOE6zy_1BHqbU0hQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACvX9QDOKTYm+6ENAcUn8njJ_78Za8-t5qLSMfGM0QFo6TweTg@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Thank's David. But i made up my mind. Besides if I'm nominated, then we
> should all be nominated and that would just be silly.


To be honest, I've already benefitted from ChiPy enough: education,
contacts, friends, free beer...

I'm actually now more focused on spreading the peanut butter.

Cheers, Brian

PS On a side, I am really proud of Naomi Ceder's increased involvement with
PSF as a board member. If we need a voice there, I nominate her to speak
for ChiPy!




-- 
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@brianray
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:46:50 2015
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:46:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Online training
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbZK_wx6mbws14spLFPfymZ0DGUVR70DmpjewQnhpwycw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vnLy-M8FqHwo7GU=Jz-qSZau44wZb0Z9cdbOX9zWe9Cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHCs_rbZK_wx6mbws14spLFPfymZ0DGUVR70DmpjewQnhpwycw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ij-4QC=_Yt4NdZgRZhOsk0MwifuDXdr9BGCA=W_i5DMuw@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.pythonlearn.com/book.php

and

https://www.coursera.org/course/pythonlearn

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:58 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A headhunter is asking for a list of resources for online Python
>> training. Presumably, he will be referring these resources to  candidates
>> who didn't make the cut.
>
>
> I maintain a list here
> https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
>
> If people have suggestions, let me know.
>
>
> --
> shekay at pobox.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 20:34:21 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
Message-ID: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Tanya Schlusser as the newest elected member who accepted a
position on the ChiPy Organizing Team.

The whole rooster listed here:

http://www.chipy.org/pages/organizers/

Congrats! Brian


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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 22:09:11 2015
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 15:09:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=iguH5jnAOgauR-w1YEo7B4fB2BFpUV0kN59XqmAO-9_qg@mail.gmail.com>

+1

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats Tanya Schlusser as the newest elected member who accepted a
> position on the ChiPy Organizing Team.
>
> The whole rooster listed here:
>
> http://www.chipy.org/pages/organizers/
>
> Congrats! Brian
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
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From eviljoel at linux.com  Mon Jul  6 22:25:25 2015
From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 15:25:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANttP84yokJCmfksgFrO0S1KP0MOEYf9nLrhF9Fdo=bmfvKCow@mail.gmail.com>

That page does not appear to be public.

- eviljoel

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Congrats Tanya Schlusser as the newest elected member who accepted a
> position on the ChiPy Organizing Team.
>
> The whole rooster listed here:
>
> http://www.chipy.org/pages/organizers/
>
> Congrats! Brian
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Jul  6 22:44:11 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 15:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python kids classes
In-Reply-To: <7B74BB42-659D-420A-8140-A448BB1D17A9@gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s7Z8kX7+cPMrD1zYABCQx6wP4o-V_cEvWN6d2QcyXvvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7B74BB42-659D-420A-8140-A448BB1D17A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbP2PFteAWGsd0+VnUD0yPJQ=gf4P6CYZKSFCdy3xjdXw@mail.gmail.com>

CoderDojoChi looks very nice.

Could you let us know more about the Robotics class? We have a robotics
interest group at Pumping Station: One. I'll tell the hackerspace about it.



On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Brett Kellgren <bkellgren at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll take the opportunity to plug CoderDojoChi (coderdojochi.org).  We
> offer free coding classes to kids 7-17 at various locations in Chicago.
>
> We are on the verge of releasing our python based robotics course
> (sometime this summer) but we have some upcoming html and CSS classes they
> should look into.
>
> Feel free to let me know if you have any questions and we are always
> looking for mentors also!
>
> coderdojochi.org
>
> P.s.  We are 100% donation and volunteer based so please forgive the plug.
>
> Thanks!
> Brett
> CoderDojoChi Board Member
>
> > On Jul 6, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A friend's asking if there are any kids classes in Chicago. He lives in
> Northern burbs. Kids are 9-16yrs.
> >
> > Ideas, Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brian Ray
> > @brianray
> > (773) 669-7717
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 00:00:41 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:00:41 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CANttP84yokJCmfksgFrO0S1KP0MOEYf9nLrhF9Fdo=bmfvKCow@mail.gmail.com>
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You have to be logged in. Anyone can log in...

On Monday, July 6, 2015, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:

> That page does not appear to be public.
>
> - eviljoel
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > Congrats Tanya Schlusser as the newest elected member who accepted a
> > position on the ChiPy Organizing Team.
> >
> > The whole rooster listed here:
> >
> > http://www.chipy.org/pages/organizers/
> >
> > Congrats! Brian
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brian Ray
> > @brianray
> > (773) 669-7717
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org <javascript:;>
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From naomi.ceder at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 00:00:48 2015
From: naomi.ceder at gmail.com (Naomi Ceder)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 23:00:48 +0100
Subject: [Chicago] Brian Ray PSF Nomination
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On 6 July 2015 at 18:52, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> PS On a side, I am really proud of Naomi Ceder's increased involvement
>> with PSF as a board member. If we need a voice there, I nominate her to
>> speak for ChiPy!
>
>
Thanks for the kind words, Brian. I'm looking forward to reconnecting with
the community as I move back to Chicago full time starting next month.
Certainly I'm committed to doing what I can to represent the community to
the PSF, and vice versa.

However, I might also add that you can also speak for yourselves - under
the new membership model voting memberships in the PSF are now available to
*all* who spend at least 5 hours a month working on Python community
organization. I would think that means that several people reading this
list qualify. To become a "managing" member (i.e. voting by virtue of
community work), you need to:

   1. be a "basic" member, which you do by signing up on the python.org
   site.
   2. self-certify that you spend at least 5 hours a month by filling out
   the form here
   https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1DA6hs9WKA5L4LLNIqkmfMrq_LrK6z4zXhOYJLd6a8Oo/viewform
   (but be patient - infrastructure hasn't kept up and these registrations are
   processed manually.) The form explains the terms for qualifying.

So I really encourage anyone who spends the time to join us as a voting
member.

Cheers,
Naomi


> --
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> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
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From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 04:04:59 2015
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OSCON - Discount Code from O'Reilly
Message-ID: <CAB32_MNfGq3+DPEw76hppQ6DuOeYVo2t3brocpALx7sDyPxGCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello ChiPy,
O?Reilly OSCON, happening July 20-24 in Portland, gathers the software
engineering and developer community to explore what?s new in open source
languages, tools, and techniques. OSCON is the best place to sharpen your
skills and discover important new trends, making you better at what you do
and rekindling your love of all things digital. The agenda has a
problem/solution approach, giving you a window into how your peers are
solving problems and equipping you to apply them in the workplace. Check out
the impressive agenda and speaker lineup.
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/4b920217-18e6-45af-a422-c9504e6f7d69/oscon-com-open-source-2015-public-schedule-grid-public>

O'Reilly Media has given us a 20% on any pass. Use the discount code USRG.

Additionally, they are also giving us free O'Reilly Python books to support
our Mentorship program finals on Thursday.
(Not sure if they'll be delivered by Thursday, so mentor/mentees will have
to collect it from me next ChiPy)

-- 
Cheers,
T

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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 04:08:19 2015
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:08:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sS83X+u_=YNF9v=AeJ+KydiU1T==-nJ6R5J65_e7r3=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Is there a reason why people need to be logged in? If not I can remove that
restriction.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Father, dabbling at being a Python developer specializing in Django,
Cyclist, and home brewer.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> You have to be logged in. Anyone can log in...
>
>
> On Monday, July 6, 2015, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:
>
>> That page does not appear to be public.
>>
>> - eviljoel
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Congrats Tanya Schlusser as the newest elected member who accepted a
>> > position on the ChiPy Organizing Team.
>> >
>> > The whole rooster listed here:
>> >
>> > http://www.chipy.org/pages/organizers/
>> >
>> > Congrats! Brian
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Brian Ray
>> > @brianray
>> > (773) 669-7717
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 15:48:05 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:48:05 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqtYz=7ke9=sv1tLHzKdFUHR=7+NKCtMUh_ha_oDvG8FWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Keep the restriction and we will discuss. I think it might have had
something to do with (not) being searchable, but I forget. Alternatively,
we can use robots.txt.?
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Jul  7 15:51:22 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python kids classes
In-Reply-To: <7B74BB42-659D-420A-8140-A448BB1D17A9@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Brett Kellgren <bkellgren at gmail.com> wrote:

> coderdojochi.org
>
> P.s.  We are 100% donation and volunteer based so please forgive the plug.


Consider applying to the PSF for your python workshops. Apply for a grant
under Outreach & Education. I did that to cover food for the workshops I
did.

If you are interested in non-robotics python classes, there is curriculum
already available for Young Coders. Katie Cunningham has done those at
various pycons. She suggests starting with >= 12 and up due to keyboard
speed being a problem with younger children.

http://therealkatie.net/blog/2015/feb/17/young-coders-why-twelve-and/
http://radar.oreilly.com/2013/08/so-you-want-to-run-a-young-coders-class.html
http://therealkatie.net/blog/2013/mar/19/pycon-2013-young-coders/

I don't have time to do more workshops, but back when I was, I thought it
would be neat to apply for  PSF O&E grant to do a Young Coders (and maybe
ask for funds to cover the cost of Katie Cunningham or someone with
experience already doing Young Coders to come out to Chicago to help run
one. When doing a workshop for the first time, it's nice to have mentors
helping in person. Jessica McKeller was going to fly out for the first
Chicago Python Workshop I did, but something came up and she couldn't make
it. Fortunately there are a lot of great people in Chicago who can help,
and Naomi Ceder helped out. She has experience teaching a lot of age ranges
(in my case, adults).

also, Carl just helped out with Hak4kids, and they have a worksheet for
lessons that are less than an hour. I think they'd be good for any of the
mini-maker fairs we have around the city. This is one:
http://makerfairechicagonorthside.com/


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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Jul  7 15:53:50 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:53:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
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I am +1 for removing the restrictions.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Keep the restriction and we will discuss. I think it might have had
> something to do with (not) being searchable, but I forget. Alternatively,
> we can use robots.txt.?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 16:15:47 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:15:47 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rZk=2xcht9cBg7mXtUACXvCkn14XB90ZbVAyH48A7zp-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Please note this is a thread to congrat Tanya. Please move any appropriate
new conversation if you think necessary.
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Jul  7 16:27:07 2015
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:27:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38vJrF8WNKopTau3+Wxh+M_sFi8YXh7QAy5T4=pJD_cN2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm pretty happy to see Tanya as an organizer! I've met her at ChiPy and
ChicagoPythonistas and she is great.


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please note this is a thread to congrat Tanya. Please move any appropriate
> new conversation if you think necessary.
>

Sorry about that, I was replying to you and Joel, et al.



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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 19:25:22 2015
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:25:22 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Python kids classes
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38s7Z8kX7+cPMrD1zYABCQx6wP4o-V_cEvWN6d2QcyXvvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s7Z8kX7+cPMrD1zYABCQx6wP4o-V_cEvWN6d2QcyXvvw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> A friend's asking if there are any kids classes in Chicago. He lives in
> Northern burbs. Kids are 9-16yrs.
>
> Ideas, Brian
>
>

The "in Chicago" part is where I fall off the map, but I'm offering
curriculum ideas, field tested, so like encouragement to those more local
to "Second City" (there was this fire...).

Recycle these ideas, including some source code, is what I'm suggesting.

Here's the website from which I actually presented course material, the
theme being "Martian Math" (what's that?) using Python, Visual Python
especially.

http://www.4dsolutions.net/satacad/martianmath/toc.html

( VPython.org is s tremendous asset in my book).

(geometry buffs will see I'm using a lot of the Bucky Fuller stuff)

I'd say my students were in the 15-17.  We met every day for a few hours,
like a summer camp experience for them (they'd be doing more than one
class).

But the exact circumstances of my field testing are not that important.
Given the college campus setting, my equipment was very high end, one kid
to one computer.

I've done similar courses, changing the mix.  I collect a lot of my
materials here:

http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/cp4e.html

Kirby
@thekirbster



>
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> @brianray
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From me at lorenamesa.com  Tue Jul  7 19:55:25 2015
From: me at lorenamesa.com (Lorena Mesa)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:55:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Help
Message-ID: <CAE4oyeV=+UF+Vf7b-5CvcKwkYvz1hNzs6q_vBAoDLtEGXqXKYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ChiPy,

We have an upcoming mentoring opportunity for the Chicago PyLadies +
Write/Speak/Code Open Source Python workshop on Sat July 25th. If this
sounds like something you may be interested in helping out with you can
fill out an interest form here: http://goo.gl/forms/8na9pIJzvo. We also
have an event page with some more information available -
chicagopyladies.github.io.

As a clarifying note, we are asking for mentors to be available from 12:00
- 4:00pm. The event is being hosted at Enova's office at - 175 W Jackson,
5th Floor, Chicago, IL.

Thanks again for all you do!

Lorena
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___________________________________________________________________________________
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*www.lorenamesa.com <http://www.lorenamesa.com/>*

"If you wish to make apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the
universe," - Carl Sagan

Please stop
 before printing this email unnecessarily, *think green*!!!
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From labeledloser at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 20:21:46 2015
From: labeledloser at gmail.com (Hector Rios)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:21:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Help
In-Reply-To: <CAE4oyeV=+UF+Vf7b-5CvcKwkYvz1hNzs6q_vBAoDLtEGXqXKYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE4oyeV=+UF+Vf7b-5CvcKwkYvz1hNzs6q_vBAoDLtEGXqXKYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+X0G_C=4i40_e1GLeT=ypJ-wmOmoTAXeoGSM_VvVGQpiWFmOA@mail.gmail.com>

Does the mentor have to be a lady?
On Jul 7, 2015 12:56 PM, "Lorena Mesa" <me at lorenamesa.com> wrote:

> Hi ChiPy,
>
> We have an upcoming mentoring opportunity for the Chicago PyLadies +
> Write/Speak/Code Open Source Python workshop on Sat July 25th. If this
> sounds like something you may be interested in helping out with you can
> fill out an interest form here: http://goo.gl/forms/8na9pIJzvo. We also
> have an event page with some more information available -
> chicagopyladies.github.io.
>
> As a clarifying note, we are asking for mentors to be available from 12:00
> - 4:00pm. The event is being hosted at Enova's office at - 175 W Jackson,
> 5th Floor, Chicago, IL.
>
> Thanks again for all you do!
>
> Lorena
> --
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> Lorena Mesa
> *www.lorenamesa.com <http://www.lorenamesa.com/>*
>
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> universe," - Carl Sagan
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:40:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
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> On Jul 7, 2015, at 9:27 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm pretty happy to see Tanya as an organizer! I've met her at ChiPy and ChicagoPythonistas and she is great.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com <mailto:brianhray at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Please note this is a thread to congrat Tanya. Please move any appropriate new conversation if you think necessary.
> 
> Sorry about that, I was replying to you and Joel, et al.
> 
> 
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From me at lorenamesa.com  Tue Jul  7 21:55:13 2015
From: me at lorenamesa.com (Lorena Mesa)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:55:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Help
Message-ID: <CAE4oyeWiSstc0ydP=+Hb6iggezWCez294i04LmBaTtrWTSq=jw@mail.gmail.com>

Hector,

No, mentors can be either gender! Thank you for adding the clarifying
point, I should have mentioned that.

Best,

Lorena

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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:48:05 -0400
> From: Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:51:22 -0500
> From: sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python kids classes
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> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Brett Kellgren <bkellgren at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > coderdojochi.org
> >
> > P.s.  We are 100% donation and volunteer based so please forgive the
> plug.
>
>
> Consider applying to the PSF for your python workshops. Apply for a grant
> under Outreach & Education. I did that to cover food for the workshops I
> did.
>
> If you are interested in non-robotics python classes, there is curriculum
> already available for Young Coders. Katie Cunningham has done those at
> various pycons. She suggests starting with >= 12 and up due to keyboard
> speed being a problem with younger children.
>
> http://therealkatie.net/blog/2015/feb/17/young-coders-why-twelve-and/
>
> http://radar.oreilly.com/2013/08/so-you-want-to-run-a-young-coders-class.html
> http://therealkatie.net/blog/2013/mar/19/pycon-2013-young-coders/
>
> I don't have time to do more workshops, but back when I was, I thought it
> would be neat to apply for  PSF O&E grant to do a Young Coders (and maybe
> ask for funds to cover the cost of Katie Cunningham or someone with
> experience already doing Young Coders to come out to Chicago to help run
> one. When doing a workshop for the first time, it's nice to have mentors
> helping in person. Jessica McKeller was going to fly out for the first
> Chicago Python Workshop I did, but something came up and she couldn't make
> it. Fortunately there are a lot of great people in Chicago who can help,
> and Naomi Ceder helped out. She has experience teaching a lot of age ranges
> (in my case, adults).
>
> also, Carl just helped out with Hak4kids, and they have a worksheet for
> lessons that are less than an hour. I think they'd be good for any of the
> mini-maker fairs we have around the city. This is one:
> http://makerfairechicagonorthside.com/
>
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:53:50 -0500
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> I am +1 for removing the restrictions.
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> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Keep the restriction and we will discuss. I think it might have had
> > something to do with (not) being searchable, but I forget. Alternatively,
> > we can use robots.txt.?
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> From: sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
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> I'm pretty happy to see Tanya as an organizer! I've met her at ChiPy and
> ChicagoPythonistas and she is great.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Please note this is a thread to congrat Tanya. Please move any
> appropriate
> > new conversation if you think necessary.
> >
>
> Sorry about that, I was replying to you and Joel, et al.
>
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:25:22 -0700
> From: kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python kids classes
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> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > A friend's asking if there are any kids classes in Chicago. He lives in
> > Northern burbs. Kids are 9-16yrs.
> >
> > Ideas, Brian
> >
> >
>
> The "in Chicago" part is where I fall off the map, but I'm offering
> curriculum ideas, field tested, so like encouragement to those more local
> to "Second City" (there was this fire...).
>
> Recycle these ideas, including some source code, is what I'm suggesting.
>
> Here's the website from which I actually presented course material, the
> theme being "Martian Math" (what's that?) using Python, Visual Python
> especially.
>
> http://www.4dsolutions.net/satacad/martianmath/toc.html
>
> ( VPython.org is s tremendous asset in my book).
>
> (geometry buffs will see I'm using a lot of the Bucky Fuller stuff)
>
> I'd say my students were in the 15-17.  We met every day for a few hours,
> like a summer camp experience for them (they'd be doing more than one
> class).
>
> But the exact circumstances of my field testing are not that important.
> Given the college campus setting, my equipment was very high end, one kid
> to one computer.
>
> I've done similar courses, changing the mix.  I collect a lot of my
> materials here:
>
> http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/cp4e.html
>
> Kirby
> @thekirbster
>
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Brian Ray
> > @brianray
> > (773) 669-7717
> >
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> From: Lorena Mesa <me at lorenamesa.com>
> To: chicago-request at python.org, chicago at python.org
> Subject: [Chicago] Help
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> Hi ChiPy,
>
> We have an upcoming mentoring opportunity for the Chicago PyLadies +
> Write/Speak/Code Open Source Python workshop on Sat July 25th. If this
> sounds like something you may be interested in helping out with you can
> fill out an interest form here: http://goo.gl/forms/8na9pIJzvo. We also
> have an event page with some more information available -
> chicagopyladies.github.io.
>
> As a clarifying note, we are asking for mentors to be available from 12:00
> - 4:00pm. The event is being hosted at Enova's office at - 175 W Jackson,
> 5th Floor, Chicago, IL.
>
> Thanks again for all you do!
>
> Lorena
> --
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> Lorena Mesa
> *www.lorenamesa.com <http://www.lorenamesa.com/>*
>
> "If you wish to make apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the
> universe," - Carl Sagan
>
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:21:46 -0500
> From: Hector Rios <labeledloser at gmail.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
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> Does the mentor have to be a lady?
> On Jul 7, 2015 12:56 PM, "Lorena Mesa" <me at lorenamesa.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi ChiPy,
> >
> > We have an upcoming mentoring opportunity for the Chicago PyLadies +
> > Write/Speak/Code Open Source Python workshop on Sat July 25th. If this
> > sounds like something you may be interested in helping out with you can
> > fill out an interest form here: http://goo.gl/forms/8na9pIJzvo. We also
> > have an event page with some more information available -
> > chicagopyladies.github.io.
> >
> > As a clarifying note, we are asking for mentors to be available from
> 12:00
> > - 4:00pm. The event is being hosted at Enova's office at - 175 W Jackson,
> > 5th Floor, Chicago, IL.
> >
> > Thanks again for all you do!
> >
> > Lorena
> > --
> >
> >
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> > Lorena Mesa
> > *www.lorenamesa.com <http://www.lorenamesa.com/>*
> >
> > "If you wish to make apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the
> > universe," - Carl Sagan
> >
> > Please stop
> >  before printing this email unnecessarily, *think green*!!!
> >
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:40:58 -0500
> From: Chris Foresman <foresmac at gmail.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
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>
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 2015, at 9:27 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty happy to see Tanya as an organizer! I've met her at ChiPy and
> ChicagoPythonistas and she is great.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com <mailto:
> brianhray at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Please note this is a thread to congrat Tanya. Please move any
> appropriate new conversation if you think necessary.
> >
> > Sorry about that, I was replying to you and Joel, et al.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > shekay at pobox.com <mailto:shekay at pobox.com
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 19:12:32 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 13:12:32 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Predictive Analytics using Python class - July 11/12
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From: *Nusreth Baig* <nusreth.baig at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2015
Subject: Fwd: Predictive Analytics using Python class - July 11/12
To: Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>


This is the email I sent.  Can you forward it to Chicago at Python.org on my
behalf?


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From: Nusreth Baig <nusreth.baig at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nusreth.baig at gmail.com');>>
Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:05 PM
Subject: Predictive Analytics using Python class - July 11/12
To: chicago at python.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chicago at python.org');>


Hi ChiPy Members,

It was an absolute pleasure to host the last MeetUp, and thank you all for
attending.  The speaker, Adam McElhinney, sincerely appreciated the
audience turnout and the discussion.

As I shared in the MeetUp, on July 11 and 12 (this weekend), we are
conducting the Predictive Analytics class using Python.  It will be held at
the same location, TechNexus
<http://t.sidekickopen01.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XZs3LqZ9nW64zBnF8rBKlvW1q7mhC56dTS-f22RyBF02?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftechnexus.com%2F&si=5684151237738496&pi=b0491e5b-4c11-4c21-9d76-0da9e384f413>
(20
N. Upper Wacker Drive).  The class is $750, and below this email you will
find the curriculum.  If you cannot make it this weekend, and you would
prefer a different weekend, please let me know that as well.  You can email
me at Nusreth.Baig at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Nusreth.Baig at gmail.com');> or
Nusreth at BigShouldersDataCamp.com.  Feel free to call me at 847-867-4349
with any questions you have.

Please forward this info to anyone you think may be interested.

Thank you,
Nusreth


Day 1StartEndTopicItemDuration (hrs)Total9:00 AM9:15 AMIntroWelcome, Intros
and Agenda0.250.259:15 AM9:30 AMIntroWarm-up challenge/Review of Python0.25
0.59:30 AM9:45 AMIntroWhy Python for Predictive Analytics0.250.759:45 AM10:00
AMScikitIntro0.25110:00 AM10:15 AMScikitCleaning Data0.251.2510:15 AM10:30
AMScikitSummarizing Data0.251.510:30 AM10:45 AMBreakBreak0.251.7510:45 AM11:15
AMScikitExcercise 10.52.2511:15 AM11:45 AMScikitFitting Models -- Normal
Regression0.52.7511:45 AM12:15 PMScikitFitting Models -- Penalized
Regression0.53.2512:15 PM1:15 PMBreakLunch14.251:15 PM2:15 PMScikitExcercise
215.252:15 PM2:45 PMScikitVariable Reduction -- stepwise selection0.55.752:45
PM3:00 PMBreakBreak0.2563:00 PM3:30 PMScikitClassification -- kNeighbors0.5
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 20:55:20 2015
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 13:55:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] FreeGeek Python class for beginners
Message-ID: <CAMqL=iiEaPD0Q-SC2Vs1uG60yYqOW0DghW+4Rej2fE9HtjsjZQ@mail.gmail.com>

July 12 3 pm

http://freegeekchicago.org/news/2015/07/this-week-at-freegeek-chicago-0
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From dinaldo at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 20:59:33 2015
From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 11:59:33 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] FreeGeek Python class for beginners
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=iiEaPD0Q-SC2Vs1uG60yYqOW0DghW+4Rej2fE9HtjsjZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMqL=iiEaPD0Q-SC2Vs1uG60yYqOW0DghW+4Rej2fE9HtjsjZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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That's awesome Randy.
?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> July 12 3 pm
>
> http://freegeekchicago.org/news/2015/07/this-week-at-freegeek-chicago-0
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 15:40:29 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:40:29 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy July Meeting: Mentorship Talks
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38ue1UNtsSN24=u3V4Ctc-e_f9uOhQhHRN0iNo+JdXor2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ue1UNtsSN24=u3V4Ctc-e_f9uOhQhHRN0iNo+JdXor2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38ufD4UNgk2cQ=y-dqui-zoe7f-Hxt28PdZRzNos5=Q1eA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Braintree for buying pizza for tonight. Thank you WeWork for the
keg. O'Reilly for prizes. So glad this is coming together last minute.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Happy Fourth Everyone.
>
> We found a great space for our July meeting. WeWork Chicago!
>
>  July 9, 2015, 7 p.m.
>
> Please accept our pull requests!
>
> class JulyMeeting(Meetings):
>     """ Best ever """
>     def get_info(self):
>         return {
>             "Food and Drink":  Provided("beer", "pizza"),
>             "Expect to meet great people": True,
>             "Python experience required": None,
>             "You will learn something": True,
>             "You can teach others": True,
>             "Cost of attending":  0.0,
>             "Expected turn out": Great("best ever"),
>             "Expected quality: 10.0/10.0,
>             "OH": "This will be our best meeting ever"}
>
>
>
> WeWork
> <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=220+N+Green+Street%2C+Chicago%2C+IL%2C+us>
>
> 220 N Green Street, Chicago, IL
> RSVP here:  http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/events/223700984/
>
> OR here: http://www.chipy.org/
>
>
>
> ----
>
>
> Collection of talks from the Mentorship program Mentees and Mentors on
> topics like: Raspberry Pi , Machine Learning, Django Study Group,
> Visualization...
>
> More details:
>
> Building a Temperature Control Program for Monitoring Aquaculture Tanks
> Using Raspberry Pi and Python
> (0:07:00 Minutes)
> By: Thao Nguyen
> Growth of the Mentee as a Pythonista I have turned from totally no
> experience with Python to gaining a good amount of knowledge in this
> language. I have learned from the very basic syntaxes to writing functions,
> then writing functions for different types of data (list, string, integer,
> decimal, float, epoch, threshold?) to serve various purposes; I know how to
> install redis, bokeh and flask for data acquisition, storage and
> performance; I also learned how to send an email alert from the Raspberry
> Pi with Python, thanks to the hackathon midterm meetup and my mentor. And
> because our project covers a wide range of activities, I have learned a lot
> of the fundamental elements of Python as well as programming in general.
> Above all, the best thing I have learned about Python through this
> Mentorship program is being confident and feeling more comfortable with it.
> Before this project, I wasn?t really sure about Python. Is it what I want
> or I might be better off with other languages? But after finished the
> project, I can say it was fun, and it serves well what I want to do. So I
> decided to move forward with it. And even though this is my very first
> programming language, but the dynamic from its strong supportive community,
> rich wonderful open sources and inspiring opportunities like this
> Mentorship program, all makes me feel that Python is a good choice. The
> Mentor's role When I asked my mentor for his advices on learning
> programming, he told me that to him, the best way to learn is doing
> projects, just like what we are doing. And that is so true. Sometimes I
> feel like the best way of learning how to swim is just jumping into the
> water, like doing a project; it can be scary, uncertain, and possibly
> failed, but it can also be very exciting and thrilling. Of course, one
> should only jump with a life preserver if she never knows how to swim
> before. And our mentors are life preservers. For a novice, it could be very
> confused at first of where to go, what direction to take, or how to get
> there; and easy be overwhelmed by too much information. The life saver may
> not be able to tell you what direction to take either, but at least, it
> will help you have some time to think and to practice before you decide
> your next moves. Obviously, a mentor is much better than a life saver,
> because no life saver can talk nor answer questions; and the best part is,
> they have a lot of experiences in their hands and are willing to share them
> with you. Thao Nguyen
>
> Machine Learning with Python
> (0:07:00 Minutes)
> By: Alexander Flyax
> I will briefly describe my journey into applied machine learning using
> Python packages like scikit-learn and statsmodels.
>
> Why learning process matters to student dev's
> By: Lane Campbell
> I took up learning Python and Web Development early this year. I started
> attending Django lessons held by folks in the community. After the lessons
> students had trouble finding help learning together. To help everyone
> organize I founded the Django Study Group. I've been learning for the last
> six months but I am still a student. I joined the Chipy mentorship program
> to learn from a local professional Python developer. While enrolled in that
> I took the opportunity to join a student team led by Brian Ray for more
> experience learning to code. It was working alongside Brian that I learned
> the importance of how you build software.
>
> Formula One Data Visualization and Interpretation: adventures in
> mentorship
> (0:07:00 Minutes)
> By: Seth Difley
> We participated in the Chipy mentorship program. Our plan for the
> mentorship was to use Python to visualize and interpret Formula One racing
> data. Join us to hear about the triumphs and obstacles we encountered along
> the way.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>



-- 
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@brianray
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 15:40:44 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:40:44 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy July Meeting: Mentorship Talks
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38ufD4UNgk2cQ=y-dqui-zoe7f-Hxt28PdZRzNos5=Q1eA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ue1UNtsSN24=u3V4Ctc-e_f9uOhQhHRN0iNo+JdXor2w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANKg38ufD4UNgk2cQ=y-dqui-zoe7f-Hxt28PdZRzNos5=Q1eA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38s8aV25vntOSucp8sRgJCAQBJz2eq5W_pk9J71QSYB6tg@mail.gmail.com>

folks are also free to BYOB

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Braintree for buying pizza for tonight. Thank you WeWork for the
> keg. O'Reilly for prizes. So glad this is coming together last minute.
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Happy Fourth Everyone.
>>
>> We found a great space for our July meeting. WeWork Chicago!
>>
>>  July 9, 2015, 7 p.m.
>>
>> Please accept our pull requests!
>>
>> class JulyMeeting(Meetings):
>>     """ Best ever """
>>     def get_info(self):
>>         return {
>>             "Food and Drink":  Provided("beer", "pizza"),
>>             "Expect to meet great people": True,
>>             "Python experience required": None,
>>             "You will learn something": True,
>>             "You can teach others": True,
>>             "Cost of attending":  0.0,
>>             "Expected turn out": Great("best ever"),
>>             "Expected quality: 10.0/10.0,
>>             "OH": "This will be our best meeting ever"}
>>
>>
>>
>> WeWork
>> <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=220+N+Green+Street%2C+Chicago%2C+IL%2C+us>
>>
>> 220 N Green Street, Chicago, IL
>> RSVP here:  http://www.meetup.com/_ChiPy_/events/223700984/
>>
>> OR here: http://www.chipy.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> ----
>>
>>
>> Collection of talks from the Mentorship program Mentees and Mentors on
>> topics like: Raspberry Pi , Machine Learning, Django Study Group,
>> Visualization...
>>
>> More details:
>>
>> Building a Temperature Control Program for Monitoring Aquaculture Tanks
>> Using Raspberry Pi and Python
>> (0:07:00 Minutes)
>> By: Thao Nguyen
>> Growth of the Mentee as a Pythonista I have turned from totally no
>> experience with Python to gaining a good amount of knowledge in this
>> language. I have learned from the very basic syntaxes to writing functions,
>> then writing functions for different types of data (list, string, integer,
>> decimal, float, epoch, threshold?) to serve various purposes; I know how to
>> install redis, bokeh and flask for data acquisition, storage and
>> performance; I also learned how to send an email alert from the Raspberry
>> Pi with Python, thanks to the hackathon midterm meetup and my mentor. And
>> because our project covers a wide range of activities, I have learned a lot
>> of the fundamental elements of Python as well as programming in general.
>> Above all, the best thing I have learned about Python through this
>> Mentorship program is being confident and feeling more comfortable with it.
>> Before this project, I wasn?t really sure about Python. Is it what I want
>> or I might be better off with other languages? But after finished the
>> project, I can say it was fun, and it serves well what I want to do. So I
>> decided to move forward with it. And even though this is my very first
>> programming language, but the dynamic from its strong supportive community,
>> rich wonderful open sources and inspiring opportunities like this
>> Mentorship program, all makes me feel that Python is a good choice. The
>> Mentor's role When I asked my mentor for his advices on learning
>> programming, he told me that to him, the best way to learn is doing
>> projects, just like what we are doing. And that is so true. Sometimes I
>> feel like the best way of learning how to swim is just jumping into the
>> water, like doing a project; it can be scary, uncertain, and possibly
>> failed, but it can also be very exciting and thrilling. Of course, one
>> should only jump with a life preserver if she never knows how to swim
>> before. And our mentors are life preservers. For a novice, it could be very
>> confused at first of where to go, what direction to take, or how to get
>> there; and easy be overwhelmed by too much information. The life saver may
>> not be able to tell you what direction to take either, but at least, it
>> will help you have some time to think and to practice before you decide
>> your next moves. Obviously, a mentor is much better than a life saver,
>> because no life saver can talk nor answer questions; and the best part is,
>> they have a lot of experiences in their hands and are willing to share them
>> with you. Thao Nguyen
>>
>> Machine Learning with Python
>> (0:07:00 Minutes)
>> By: Alexander Flyax
>> I will briefly describe my journey into applied machine learning using
>> Python packages like scikit-learn and statsmodels.
>>
>> Why learning process matters to student dev's
>> By: Lane Campbell
>> I took up learning Python and Web Development early this year. I started
>> attending Django lessons held by folks in the community. After the lessons
>> students had trouble finding help learning together. To help everyone
>> organize I founded the Django Study Group. I've been learning for the last
>> six months but I am still a student. I joined the Chipy mentorship program
>> to learn from a local professional Python developer. While enrolled in that
>> I took the opportunity to join a student team led by Brian Ray for more
>> experience learning to code. It was working alongside Brian that I learned
>> the importance of how you build software.
>>
>> Formula One Data Visualization and Interpretation: adventures in
>> mentorship
>> (0:07:00 Minutes)
>> By: Seth Difley
>> We participated in the Chipy mentorship program. Our plan for the
>> mentorship was to use Python to visualize and interpret Formula One racing
>> data. Join us to hear about the triumphs and obstacles we encountered along
>> the way.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>



-- 
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@brianray
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From namusoke at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  9 15:53:05 2015
From: namusoke at hotmail.com (Valentina Kibuyaga)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 08:53:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago]  Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU181-W316F0EFD7C4D3E3A2180A7CA900@phx.gbl>

Current ChiPy Organizers:

    Brian Ray: Chair    Adam Bain: Treasurer    Adam Forsyth: Director of Sponsorship / Fund Raising    Cezar Jenkins: Mailing list / Website    Jason Wirth: Director of Outreach    Jerry Dumblauskas: Director of Professional Development    Jimmy Calahorrano: Historian / Video    Joe Jasinski: Talk Coordinator    Tathagata Dasgupta: Director of Mentorship Program    Tanya Schlusser  (What is her role id?)


Tanya, congratulations on this outstanding achievement.


Your addition to the team is an exceptional decision, because you are a smart and knowledgeable individual who keeps abreast of upcoming technologies.  Additionally, you are a trailblazer spearheading change on this outstanding team.


Kudos to the Chippy team for adding Tanya. And, thank you!




If
 we want technology to serve society rather than enslave it, we have to 
build systems accessible to all people - be they male or female, young, 
old, disabled, computer wizards or technophobes.

Anita Borg
Valentina




Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:34:21 -0400
From: brianhray at gmail.com
To: chicago-organizers at python.org; chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
CC: tanya at tickel.net

Congrats Tanya Schlusser as the newest elected member who accepted a position on the ChiPy Organizing Team. 

The whole rooster listed here:
http://www.chipy.org/pages/organizers/
Congrats! Brian

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 16:02:30 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:02:30 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] [Chicago-organizers] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer:
	Tanya
In-Reply-To: <BLU181-W316F0EFD7C4D3E3A2180A7CA900@phx.gbl>
References: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <BLU181-W316F0EFD7C4D3E3A2180A7CA900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CANKg38tfv9Mu7LN=x_U+Hm4Zdo_fFS5p4UGGJAOqRiJ8HTsr9g@mail.gmail.com>

On her role, she can find her own groove and move around as sees fit. I can
think of 1,000,000 ways Tanya can contribute.

As a team, we are actually getting a lot done and having a ton of fun. I
hope we continue to grow and even do more amazing things.

See you all tonight!

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Valentina Kibuyaga <namusoke at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Current ChiPy Organizers:
>
>    -     Brian Ray: Chair
>    -     Adam Bain: Treasurer
>    -     Adam Forsyth: Director of Sponsorship / Fund Raising
>    -     Cezar Jenkins: Mailing list / Website
>    -     Jason Wirth: Director of Outreach
>    -     Jerry Dumblauskas: Director of Professional Development
>    -     Jimmy Calahorrano: Historian / Video
>    -     Joe Jasinski: Talk Coordinator
>    -     Tathagata Dasgupta: Director of Mentorship Program
>    -     Tanya Schlusser  (What is her role id?)
>
>
>
> Tanya, congratulations on this outstanding achievement.
>
>
> Your addition to the team is an exceptional decision, because you are a
> smart and knowledgeable individual who keeps abreast of upcoming
> technologies.  Additionally, you are a trailblazer spearheading change on
> this outstanding team.
>
>
> Kudos to the Chippy team for adding Tanya. And, thank you!
>
>
>
>
> If we want technology to serve society rather than enslave it, we have to
> build systems accessible to all people - be they male or female, young,
> old, disabled, computer wizards or technophobes.
> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/anitaborg673357.html>
> Anita Borg
> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/anitaborg673357.html>
>
> Valentina
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:34:21 -0400
> From: brianhray at gmail.com
> To: chicago-organizers at python.org; chicago at python.org
> Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
> CC: tanya at tickel.net
>
>
> Congrats Tanya Schlusser as the newest elected member who accepted a
> position on the ChiPy Organizing Team.
>
> The whole rooster listed here:
>
> http://www.chipy.org/pages/organizers/
>
> Congrats! Brian
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
>
> _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From namusoke at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  9 16:07:49 2015
From: namusoke at hotmail.com (Valentina Kibuyaga)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:07:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Chicago-organizers] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer:
 Tanya
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tfv9Mu7LN=x_U+Hm4Zdo_fFS5p4UGGJAOqRiJ8HTsr9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sbxFBzmwxM9-WBAybRr_B3K+n=tNQOUsMSvo4fPcBmQg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BLU181-W316F0EFD7C4D3E3A2180A7CA900@phx.gbl>,
 <CANKg38tfv9Mu7LN=x_U+Hm4Zdo_fFS5p4UGGJAOqRiJ8HTsr9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU181-W7163557A7020604039D66ECA900@phx.gbl>

Phenomenal answer, Brian Ray.

She is an OPEN SOURCE!

Valentina

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:02:30 -0400
Subject: Re: [Chicago-organizers] [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
From: brianhray at gmail.com
To: namusoke at hotmail.com
CC: chicago at python.org; chicago-organizers at python.org

On her role, she can find her own groove and move around as sees fit. I can think of 1,000,000 ways Tanya can contribute.
As a team, we are actually getting a lot done and having a ton of fun. I hope we continue to grow and even do more amazing things. 
See you all tonight!
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Valentina Kibuyaga <namusoke at hotmail.com> wrote:



Current ChiPy Organizers:

    Brian Ray: Chair    Adam Bain: Treasurer    Adam Forsyth: Director of Sponsorship / Fund Raising    Cezar Jenkins: Mailing list / Website    Jason Wirth: Director of Outreach    Jerry Dumblauskas: Director of Professional Development    Jimmy Calahorrano: Historian / Video    Joe Jasinski: Talk Coordinator    Tathagata Dasgupta: Director of Mentorship Program    Tanya Schlusser  (What is her role id?)


Tanya, congratulations on this outstanding achievement.


Your addition to the team is an exceptional decision, because you are a smart and knowledgeable individual who keeps abreast of upcoming technologies.  Additionally, you are a trailblazer spearheading change on this outstanding team.


Kudos to the Chippy team for adding Tanya. And, thank you!




If
 we want technology to serve society rather than enslave it, we have to 
build systems accessible to all people - be they male or female, young, 
old, disabled, computer wizards or technophobes.

Anita Borg
Valentina




Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:34:21 -0400
From: brianhray at gmail.com
To: chicago-organizers at python.org; chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] Congrats new ChiPy Organizer: Tanya
CC: tanya at tickel.net

Congrats Tanya Schlusser as the newest elected member who accepted a position on the ChiPy Organizing Team. 

The whole rooster listed here:
http://www.chipy.org/pages/organizers/
Congrats! Brian

-- 
Brian Ray @brianray(773) 669-7717


_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago 		 	   		  

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 01:36:47 2015
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Message from contact form: job posting for ChiPy...
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From d-lewit at neiu.edu  Thu Jul 16 00:15:23 2015
From: d-lewit at neiu.edu (Lewit, Douglas)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:15:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
Message-ID: <CAPdZZGxNzm+Kr0Dj+0x5cenCr2Mw1JbJcE4J0XKHzGZTffpg0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I need some advice on how to do something.  Let's say that I want to print
out the Cartesian product of the integers 1 to 4.  It would look something
like this:

1, 1, 1, 1
1, 1, 1, 2
1, 1, 1, 3
1, 1, 1, 4
1, 1, 2, 1
1, 1, 2, 2
1, 1, 2, 3
1, 1, 2, 4
1, 1, 3, 1
1, 1, 3, 2
1, 1, 3, 3, etc, etc until finally we have
..............
4, 4, 4, 3
4, 4, 4, 4

This is NOT a permutation because repetition is allowed.  Nor is it a
combination because for example 1, 1, 1, 2 is distinct from 2, 1, 1, 1.  I
believe this is technically called a Cartesian product.

I know of two ways to do this:

Method #1:

*for a in range(1, 5):*
*     for b in range(1, 5):*
*          for c in range(1, 5):*
*                for d in range(1, 5):*
*                      print( a, end = ", " )*
*                      print( b, end = ", " )*
*                      print( c, end = ", " )*
*                      print( d, end = "\n" )*


The above works just fine!  But there's a problem.  What if let's say I
want the Cartesian product of all the integers from 1 to 10?  That means
working with 10 nested for-loops!  That's insane!  It's tedious to write
and probably even worse for the person who is reading it.  So this method
is limited to smaller examples.

Method #2:

Cheat by using Python's itertools package!  (Or is it a library?  What's
the difference between a package and a library?)

import itertools

carProduct = itertools.product([1, 2, 3, 4], repeat = 4)

*try:*
*     while True:*
*               print( next(carProduct) )*
*except StopIteration:*
*      pass*

This method is short and sweet!  It works great!  But it's really cheating
in the sense that the programmer is taking advantage of code that has
already been written.  (I have nothing against doing that!  But in a CS
class if I write down that answer on an exam do you think the professor is
going to give me any credit?  Probably not!!!  LOL! )

Is there some other way?  I'm guessing that I would need a for-loop that
contains a recursive function.  Or.... maybe a recursive function that
contains a for-loop?  I really don't know.  I've been struggling with this
for a couple days now and I can't think of a solution.  Can someone please
enlighten me?

Gratefully,

Douglas.
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 01:45:07 2015
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 18:45:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
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What is your definition of the cartesian product because it is defined on
sets not on lists?
A list is most like a bag in set theory. A list is not a set.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/533905/get-the-cartesian-product-of-a-series-of-lists-in-python

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I need some advice on how to do something.  Let's say that I want to print
> out the Cartesian product of the integers 1 to 4.  It would look something
> like this:
>
> 1, 1, 1, 1
> 1, 1, 1, 2
> 1, 1, 1, 3
> 1, 1, 1, 4
> 1, 1, 2, 1
> 1, 1, 2, 2
> 1, 1, 2, 3
> 1, 1, 2, 4
> 1, 1, 3, 1
> 1, 1, 3, 2
> 1, 1, 3, 3, etc, etc until finally we have
> ..............
> 4, 4, 4, 3
> 4, 4, 4, 4
>
> This is NOT a permutation because repetition is allowed.  Nor is it a
> combination because for example 1, 1, 1, 2 is distinct from 2, 1, 1, 1.  I
> believe this is technically called a Cartesian product.
>
> I know of two ways to do this:
>
> Method #1:
>
> *for a in range(1, 5):*
> *     for b in range(1, 5):*
> *          for c in range(1, 5):*
> *                for d in range(1, 5):*
> *                      print( a, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( b, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( c, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( d, end = "\n" )*
>
>
> The above works just fine!  But there's a problem.  What if let's say I
> want the Cartesian product of all the integers from 1 to 10?  That means
> working with 10 nested for-loops!  That's insane!  It's tedious to write
> and probably even worse for the person who is reading it.  So this method
> is limited to smaller examples.
>
> Method #2:
>
> Cheat by using Python's itertools package!  (Or is it a library?  What's
> the difference between a package and a library?)
>
> import itertools
>
> carProduct = itertools.product([1, 2, 3, 4], repeat = 4)
>
> *try:*
> *     while True:*
> *               print( next(carProduct) )*
> *except StopIteration:*
> *      pass*
>
> This method is short and sweet!  It works great!  But it's really cheating
> in the sense that the programmer is taking advantage of code that has
> already been written.  (I have nothing against doing that!  But in a CS
> class if I write down that answer on an exam do you think the professor is
> going to give me any credit?  Probably not!!!  LOL! )
>
> Is there some other way?  I'm guessing that I would need a for-loop that
> contains a recursive function.  Or.... maybe a recursive function that
> contains a for-loop?  I really don't know.  I've been struggling with this
> for a couple days now and I can't think of a solution.  Can someone please
> enlighten me?
>
> Gratefully,
>
> Douglas.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From d-lewit at neiu.edu  Thu Jul 16 02:33:29 2015
From: d-lewit at neiu.edu (Lewit, Douglas)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
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Hi Joshua,

Well I'm not sure that's really true because in a Cartesian product you can
have repetition.  Last semester I took a computational biology course at
NEIU and we did Cartesian products on ("A", "T", "C", "G"), the four
nucleotide bases of DNA.  ("A", "A", "A", "A") is part of that product, but
if you're dealing with a true set then ("A", "A", "A", "A") is not allowed
because in a set you can't have repeated elements.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> What is your definition of the cartesian product because it is defined on
> sets not on lists?
> A list is most like a bag in set theory. A list is not a set.
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/533905/get-the-cartesian-product-of-a-series-of-lists-in-python
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I need some advice on how to do something.  Let's say that I want to
>> print out the Cartesian product of the integers 1 to 4.  It would look
>> something like this:
>>
>> 1, 1, 1, 1
>> 1, 1, 1, 2
>> 1, 1, 1, 3
>> 1, 1, 1, 4
>> 1, 1, 2, 1
>> 1, 1, 2, 2
>> 1, 1, 2, 3
>> 1, 1, 2, 4
>> 1, 1, 3, 1
>> 1, 1, 3, 2
>> 1, 1, 3, 3, etc, etc until finally we have
>> ..............
>> 4, 4, 4, 3
>> 4, 4, 4, 4
>>
>> This is NOT a permutation because repetition is allowed.  Nor is it a
>> combination because for example 1, 1, 1, 2 is distinct from 2, 1, 1, 1.  I
>> believe this is technically called a Cartesian product.
>>
>> I know of two ways to do this:
>>
>> Method #1:
>>
>> *for a in range(1, 5):*
>> *     for b in range(1, 5):*
>> *          for c in range(1, 5):*
>> *                for d in range(1, 5):*
>> *                      print( a, end = ", " )*
>> *                      print( b, end = ", " )*
>> *                      print( c, end = ", " )*
>> *                      print( d, end = "\n" )*
>>
>>
>> The above works just fine!  But there's a problem.  What if let's say I
>> want the Cartesian product of all the integers from 1 to 10?  That means
>> working with 10 nested for-loops!  That's insane!  It's tedious to write
>> and probably even worse for the person who is reading it.  So this method
>> is limited to smaller examples.
>>
>> Method #2:
>>
>> Cheat by using Python's itertools package!  (Or is it a library?  What's
>> the difference between a package and a library?)
>>
>> import itertools
>>
>> carProduct = itertools.product([1, 2, 3, 4], repeat = 4)
>>
>> *try:*
>> *     while True:*
>> *               print( next(carProduct) )*
>> *except StopIteration:*
>> *      pass*
>>
>> This method is short and sweet!  It works great!  But it's really
>> cheating in the sense that the programmer is taking advantage of code that
>> has already been written.  (I have nothing against doing that!  But in a CS
>> class if I write down that answer on an exam do you think the professor is
>> going to give me any credit?  Probably not!!!  LOL! )
>>
>> Is there some other way?  I'm guessing that I would need a for-loop that
>> contains a recursive function.  Or.... maybe a recursive function that
>> contains a for-loop?  I really don't know.  I've been struggling with this
>> for a couple days now and I can't think of a solution.  Can someone please
>> enlighten me?
>>
>> Gratefully,
>>
>> Douglas.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jul 16 04:48:48 2015
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 21:48:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
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Your example looks to me similar to counting to 4^4 in base 4, only shift
the digits by 1.

in base 10, we use the following 10 symbols:
0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

in base 4, we use the following 4 symbols:
0, 1, 2, 3

base 2
0,1

going back to base 4, but shifted...
1, 2, 3, 4

def lcBaseX( val, alphabet ):
    size = len( alphabet )
    ret = ''
    for i in range(size):
        dig = val % size
        val = int( val/size )
        dig = alphabet[dig]
        ret = dig + ret
    return ret

# hard coded for 3 so it is a little more obvious
for i in range(3**3):
    print i, lcBaseX(i,["0", "1", "2"]), lcBaseX(i, ["1", "2", "3"])

x=4
for i in range(x**x):
    print i,
    print lcBaseX(i,[str(a) for a in range(x)]),
    print lcBaseX(i,[str(a) for a in range(1,x+1)])

x can be anything.  over 10 and you will want to add some spaces between
the digits.
ret = dig + " " + ret



On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I need some advice on how to do something.  Let's say that I want to print
> out the Cartesian product of the integers 1 to 4.  It would look something
> like this:
>
> 1, 1, 1, 1
> 1, 1, 1, 2
> 1, 1, 1, 3
> 1, 1, 1, 4
> 1, 1, 2, 1
> 1, 1, 2, 2
> 1, 1, 2, 3
> 1, 1, 2, 4
> 1, 1, 3, 1
> 1, 1, 3, 2
> 1, 1, 3, 3, etc, etc until finally we have
> ..............
> 4, 4, 4, 3
> 4, 4, 4, 4
>
> This is NOT a permutation because repetition is allowed.  Nor is it a
> combination because for example 1, 1, 1, 2 is distinct from 2, 1, 1, 1.  I
> believe this is technically called a Cartesian product.
>
> I know of two ways to do this:
>
> Method #1:
>
> *for a in range(1, 5):*
> *     for b in range(1, 5):*
> *          for c in range(1, 5):*
> *                for d in range(1, 5):*
> *                      print( a, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( b, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( c, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( d, end = "\n" )*
>
>
> The above works just fine!  But there's a problem.  What if let's say I
> want the Cartesian product of all the integers from 1 to 10?  That means
> working with 10 nested for-loops!  That's insane!  It's tedious to write
> and probably even worse for the person who is reading it.  So this method
> is limited to smaller examples.
>
> Method #2:
>
> Cheat by using Python's itertools package!  (Or is it a library?  What's
> the difference between a package and a library?)
>
> import itertools
>
> carProduct = itertools.product([1, 2, 3, 4], repeat = 4)
>
> *try:*
> *     while True:*
> *               print( next(carProduct) )*
> *except StopIteration:*
> *      pass*
>
> This method is short and sweet!  It works great!  But it's really cheating
> in the sense that the programmer is taking advantage of code that has
> already been written.  (I have nothing against doing that!  But in a CS
> class if I write down that answer on an exam do you think the professor is
> going to give me any credit?  Probably not!!!  LOL! )
>
> Is there some other way?  I'm guessing that I would need a for-loop that
> contains a recursive function.  Or.... maybe a recursive function that
> contains a for-loop?  I really don't know.  I've been struggling with this
> for a couple days now and I can't think of a solution.  Can someone please
> enlighten me?
>
> Gratefully,
>
> Douglas.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 19:55:46 2015
From: jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com (Jeremy McMillan)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
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Doug:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CartesianProduct.html <-- sets!

The cartesian product of ("A","T","C","G") doesn't make sense.

What you meant was the cartesian product of
[{"A","T","C","G"}, {"A","T","C","G"}, {"A","T","C","G"}, {"A","T","C","G"}]

which is exactly what the repeat=4 argument to itertools.product() means.

Each of the four nucleotides' sets is distinct in each position of the list
of sets. Since each set is identical, we are explicitly saying each of the
nucleotides can be in any position of the lists in our product.

What itertools.product() sees is more like this appears to human eyes:
[{"A1","T1","C1","G1"}, {"A2","T2","C2","G2"}, {"A3","T3","C3","G3"},
{"A4","T4","C4","G4"}]

I haven't looked (encapsulation!), but I would expect to see something very
much like Carl wrote, implemented as a generator, in the source for
itertools.product().

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
wrote:

> Your example looks to me similar to counting to 4^4 in base 4, only shift
> the digits by 1.
>
> in base 10, we use the following 10 symbols:
> 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
>
> in base 4, we use the following 4 symbols:
> 0, 1, 2, 3
>
> base 2
> 0,1
>
> going back to base 4, but shifted...
> 1, 2, 3, 4
>
> def lcBaseX( val, alphabet ):
>     size = len( alphabet )
>     ret = ''
>     for i in range(size):
>         dig = val % size
>         val = int( val/size )
>         dig = alphabet[dig]
>         ret = dig + ret
>     return ret
>
> # hard coded for 3 so it is a little more obvious
> for i in range(3**3):
>     print i, lcBaseX(i,["0", "1", "2"]), lcBaseX(i, ["1", "2", "3"])
>
> x=4
> for i in range(x**x):
>     print i,
>     print lcBaseX(i,[str(a) for a in range(x)]),
>     print lcBaseX(i,[str(a) for a in range(1,x+1)])
>
> x can be anything.  over 10 and you will want to add some spaces between
> the digits.
> ret = dig + " " + ret
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I need some advice on how to do something.  Let's say that I want to
>> print out the Cartesian product of the integers 1 to 4.  It would look
>> something like this:
>>
>> 1, 1, 1, 1
>> 1, 1, 1, 2
>> 1, 1, 1, 3
>> 1, 1, 1, 4
>> 1, 1, 2, 1
>> 1, 1, 2, 2
>> 1, 1, 2, 3
>> 1, 1, 2, 4
>> 1, 1, 3, 1
>> 1, 1, 3, 2
>> 1, 1, 3, 3, etc, etc until finally we have
>> ..............
>> 4, 4, 4, 3
>> 4, 4, 4, 4
>>
>> This is NOT a permutation because repetition is allowed.  Nor is it a
>> combination because for example 1, 1, 1, 2 is distinct from 2, 1, 1, 1.  I
>> believe this is technically called a Cartesian product.
>>
>> I know of two ways to do this:
>>
>> Method #1:
>>
>> *for a in range(1, 5):*
>> *     for b in range(1, 5):*
>> *          for c in range(1, 5):*
>> *                for d in range(1, 5):*
>> *                      print( a, end = ", " )*
>> *                      print( b, end = ", " )*
>> *                      print( c, end = ", " )*
>> *                      print( d, end = "\n" )*
>>
>>
>> The above works just fine!  But there's a problem.  What if let's say I
>> want the Cartesian product of all the integers from 1 to 10?  That means
>> working with 10 nested for-loops!  That's insane!  It's tedious to write
>> and probably even worse for the person who is reading it.  So this method
>> is limited to smaller examples.
>>
>> Method #2:
>>
>> Cheat by using Python's itertools package!  (Or is it a library?  What's
>> the difference between a package and a library?)
>>
>> import itertools
>>
>> carProduct = itertools.product([1, 2, 3, 4], repeat = 4)
>>
>> *try:*
>> *     while True:*
>> *               print( next(carProduct) )*
>> *except StopIteration:*
>> *      pass*
>>
>> This method is short and sweet!  It works great!  But it's really
>> cheating in the sense that the programmer is taking advantage of code that
>> has already been written.  (I have nothing against doing that!  But in a CS
>> class if I write down that answer on an exam do you think the professor is
>> going to give me any credit?  Probably not!!!  LOL! )
>>
>> Is there some other way?  I'm guessing that I would need a for-loop that
>> contains a recursive function.  Or.... maybe a recursive function that
>> contains a for-loop?  I really don't know.  I've been struggling with this
>> for a couple days now and I can't think of a solution.  Can someone please
>> enlighten me?
>>
>> Gratefully,
>>
>> Douglas.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
>
>
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> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From len_wanger at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 16 18:17:13 2015
From: len_wanger at hotmail.com (Len Wanger)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1437040802.25212.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.21.1437040802.25212.chicago@python.org>
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Douglas,

There are a lot of ways to do this, but since it's your homework I'll give you hints but not the code. One easy way to look at this is like implementing addition (with carrying digits) or an odometer. Create a vector/list of N digits, then loop over that list adding 1 each iteration by adding 1 to the least significant digit. If the digit set exceeds the high range for the digit (exceeds 4 in your example), then setting it to the low digit (in your example 1) and carry it the next least significant digit (i.e. add 1 to the next digit to the left). When you get to the maximum value (i.e. in your example 4 in each digit) stop.

A couple of notes:

1) I would avoid recursion here. This is an example of simple tail recursion, and can easily be unrolled into a loop. In a language with a good optimizer you could right this recursively and let the compiler take care of it, but in Python it is very inefficient. 

2) This is a great place to use a generator. The list can get very large (e.g. 4 choices per digit and 10 digits is a list with 4**10 entries, which is > 1 million). A yield statement in the right place in the loop will make it a generator which would be much more efficient.

3) The previous posting that this is like  a conversion to a different number base is not quite right. If you had 0 for a digit value that would be a nice way to look at it (then you could loop to base**num_digits and do a conversion to that base for each value). Since your example used digits "1" to "4" that's not quite right. 

Good luck,

Len

> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:15:23 -0500
> From: "Lewit, Douglas" <d-lewit at neiu.edu>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I need some advice on how to do something.  Let's say that I want to print
> out the Cartesian product of the integers 1 to 4.  It would look something
> like this:
> 
> 1, 1, 1, 1
> 1, 1, 1, 2
> 1, 1, 1, 3
> 1, 1, 1, 4
> 1, 1, 2, 1
> 1, 1, 2, 2
> 1, 1, 2, 3
> 1, 1, 2, 4
> 1, 1, 3, 1
> 1, 1, 3, 2
> 1, 1, 3, 3, etc, etc until finally we have
> ..............
> 4, 4, 4, 3
> 4, 4, 4, 4
> 
> This is NOT a permutation because repetition is allowed.  Nor is it a
> combination because for example 1, 1, 1, 2 is distinct from 2, 1, 1, 1.  I
> believe this is technically called a Cartesian product.
> 
> I know of two ways to do this:
> 
> Method #1:
> 
> *for a in range(1, 5):*
> *     for b in range(1, 5):*
> *          for c in range(1, 5):*
> *                for d in range(1, 5):*
> *                      print( a, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( b, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( c, end = ", " )*
> *                      print( d, end = "\n" )*
> 
> 
> The above works just fine!  But there's a problem.  What if let's say I
> want the Cartesian product of all the integers from 1 to 10?  That means
> working with 10 nested for-loops!  That's insane!  It's tedious to write
> and probably even worse for the person who is reading it.  So this method
> is limited to smaller examples.
> 
> Method #2:
> 
> Cheat by using Python's itertools package!  (Or is it a library?  What's
> the difference between a package and a library?)
> 
> import itertools
> 
> carProduct = itertools.product([1, 2, 3, 4], repeat = 4)
> 
> *try:*
> *     while True:*
> *               print( next(carProduct) )*
> *except StopIteration:*
> *      pass*
> 
> This method is short and sweet!  It works great!  But it's really cheating
> in the sense that the programmer is taking advantage of code that has
> already been written.  (I have nothing against doing that!  But in a CS
> class if I write down that answer on an exam do you think the professor is
> going to give me any credit?  Probably not!!!  LOL! )
> 
> Is there some other way?  I'm guessing that I would need a for-loop that
> contains a recursive function.  Or.... maybe a recursive function that
> contains a for-loop?  I really don't know.  I've been struggling with this
> for a couple days now and I can't think of a solution.  Can someone please
> enlighten me?
> 
> Gratefully,
> 
> Douglas.

 		 	   		  
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From d-lewit at neiu.edu  Fri Jul 17 05:35:49 2015
From: d-lewit at neiu.edu (Lewit, Douglas)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:35:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
In-Reply-To: <SNT147-W79F050C28FCE58DF18E5D4FF990@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.21.1437040802.25212.chicago@python.org>
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Hey thanks for the great feedback guys.  It has been a really crazy busy
day and I haven't had a chance to carefully go over all the replies.  Len,
your comparison to the BigInt algorithm is interesting.  I wrote that
program last semester in Data Structures.  You know, you've got two arrays
that represent giant int values greater than 2**31 - 1, and then you use a
carry variable whose initial value is 0 and then can take on values of 0 or
1 depending on the two integers being added.  I can see the resemblance to
what I'm trying to do here, although the problem is a tad bit different.
I'll think about it!

On a totally different subject, I've been messing around with Ocaml
lately.  Found some great YouTube tutorial videos about Ocaml and bought a
couple books on it.  Very interesting.  Is there any connection between
Python and Ocaml?  Just wondering.

Thanks guys!  Your feedback is a huge help to me in my studies.  Not sure
if I'll ever be a big league developer/programmer, but I've learned a lot
from your posts and replies.  Thank you so much.

Have a great weekend even if it's like monsoon season here in Chicago.
Yuck, I hate all this rain!

Doug.


On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Len Wanger <len_wanger at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Douglas,
>
> There are a lot of ways to do this, but since it's your homework I'll give
> you hints but not the code. One easy way to look at this is like
> implementing addition (with carrying digits) or an odometer. Create a
> vector/list of N digits, then loop over that list adding 1 each iteration
> by adding 1 to the least significant digit. If the digit set exceeds the
> high range for the digit (exceeds 4 in your example), then setting it to
> the low digit (in your example 1) and carry it the next least significant
> digit (i.e. add 1 to the next digit to the left). When you get to the
> maximum value (i.e. in your example 4 in each digit) stop.
>
> A couple of notes:
>
> 1) I would avoid recursion here. This is an example of simple tail
> recursion, and can easily be unrolled into a loop. In a language with a
> good optimizer you could right this recursively and let the compiler take
> care of it, but in Python it is very inefficient.
>
> 2) This is a great place to use a generator. The list can get very large
> (e.g. 4 choices per digit and 10 digits is a list with 4**10 entries, which
> is > 1 million). A yield statement in the right place in the loop will make
> it a generator which would be much more efficient.
>
> 3) The previous posting that this is like  a conversion to a different
> number base is not quite right. If you had 0 for a digit value that would
> be a nice way to look at it (then you could loop to base**num_digits and do
> a conversion to that base for each value). Since your example used digits
> "1" to "4" that's not quite right.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Len
>
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:15:23 -0500
> > From: "Lewit, Douglas" <d-lewit at neiu.edu>
> > To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> > Subject: [Chicago] Printing out the Cartesian product.
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I need some advice on how to do something. Let's say that I want to print
> > out the Cartesian product of the integers 1 to 4. It would look something
> > like this:
> >
> > 1, 1, 1, 1
> > 1, 1, 1, 2
> > 1, 1, 1, 3
> > 1, 1, 1, 4
> > 1, 1, 2, 1
> > 1, 1, 2, 2
> > 1, 1, 2, 3
> > 1, 1, 2, 4
> > 1, 1, 3, 1
> > 1, 1, 3, 2
> > 1, 1, 3, 3, etc, etc until finally we have
> > ..............
> > 4, 4, 4, 3
> > 4, 4, 4, 4
> >
> > This is NOT a permutation because repetition is allowed. Nor is it a
> > combination because for example 1, 1, 1, 2 is distinct from 2, 1, 1, 1. I
> > believe this is technically called a Cartesian product.
> >
> > I know of two ways to do this:
> >
> > Method #1:
> >
> > *for a in range(1, 5):*
> > * for b in range(1, 5):*
> > * for c in range(1, 5):*
> > * for d in range(1, 5):*
> > * print( a, end = ", " )*
> > * print( b, end = ", " )*
> > * print( c, end = ", " )*
> > * print( d, end = "\n" )*
> >
> >
> > The above works just fine! But there's a problem. What if let's say I
> > want the Cartesian product of all the integers from 1 to 10? That means
> > working with 10 nested for-loops! That's insane! It's tedious to write
> > and probably even worse for the person who is reading it. So this method
> > is limited to smaller examples.
> >
> > Method #2:
> >
> > Cheat by using Python's itertools package! (Or is it a library? What's
> > the difference between a package and a library?)
> >
> > import itertools
> >
> > carProduct = itertools.product([1, 2, 3, 4], repeat = 4)
> >
> > *try:*
> > * while True:*
> > * print( next(carProduct) )*
> > *except StopIteration:*
> > * pass*
> >
> > This method is short and sweet! It works great! But it's really cheating
> > in the sense that the programmer is taking advantage of code that has
> > already been written. (I have nothing against doing that! But in a CS
> > class if I write down that answer on an exam do you think the professor
> is
> > going to give me any credit? Probably not!!! LOL! )
> >
> > Is there some other way? I'm guessing that I would need a for-loop that
> > contains a recursive function. Or.... maybe a recursive function that
> > contains a for-loop? I really don't know. I've been struggling with this
> > for a couple days now and I can't think of a solution. Can someone please
> > enlighten me?
> >
> > Gratefully,
> >
> > Douglas.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From d-lewit at neiu.edu  Fri Jul 17 07:30:08 2015
From: d-lewit at neiu.edu (Lewit, Douglas)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 00:30:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Cartesian 1111 to 4444.....to nnnn (general case)
Message-ID: <CAPdZZGx+NeWA6y5hQwcKJ08X+g0qv5975NjjdBZ_pRUu2Ptmng@mail.gmail.com>

I think this works!  Yay!!!  Although I would like to make it more general
for any integer n besides 4.  Do I really need int1, int2, int3, int4?  I
think all I need is the initial vector = [1, 1, 1, 1, ......, 0].

Gotta go!  Oh yeah, code here is in Python 3.  Not sure how well it will
run in Python 2.  I don't know when Python 4 is coming out, but if it's not
backward compatible with Python 3 I have a feeling A LOT of folks in the
Python community are going to be very, very upset!

Best,

Doug.
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From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Jul 17 14:37:59 2015
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Cartesian 1111 to 4444.....to nnnn (general case)
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    def __init__(self, int1 = 1, int2 = 1, int3 = 1, int4 = 0):
        self.int1 = int1
        self.int2 = int2
        self.int3 = int3
        self.int4 = int4

1,2,3,4 hard coded is generally a red flag that you should be using a list.

I didn't look at what the code is doing, but you should be able to replace
all the int1 with i[1]
(don't use int[1], int is a reserved word)

Step 2: Once you have that working, you should be able to replace all the
1,2,3,4's with for n in range(1,5): i[n]



On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:

> I think this works!  Yay!!!  Although I would like to make it more general
> for any integer n besides 4.  Do I really need int1, int2, int3, int4?  I
> think all I need is the initial vector = [1, 1, 1, 1, ......, 0].
>
> Gotta go!  Oh yeah, code here is in Python 3.  Not sure how well it will
> run in Python 2.  I don't know when Python 4 is coming out, but if it's not
> backward compatible with Python 3 I have a feeling A LOT of folks in the
> Python community are going to be very, very upset!
>
> Best,
>
> Doug.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From tottinge at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 20:49:57 2015
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:49:57 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Cartesian 1111 to 4444.....to nnnn (general case)
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSiYW-=kpG3OAiNMgod8o3oV3UmOAMkTto+nMVKVjXiv4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPdZZGx+NeWA6y5hQwcKJ08X+g0qv5975NjjdBZ_pRUu2Ptmng@mail.gmail.com>
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did you use this:

number_of_lists = 4
numbers = range(10)
print list( itertools.product(*[numbers]*number_of_lists))


Yields a list from 1,1,1,1 to 9,9,9,9 given that all lists are identical in
content.
number of lists and length of list are variable.
Inner ranges could be iterators too, to avoid having memory chewed up by
Note, the above example lets memory be consumed by list() and range().



On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:38 AM Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

>     def __init__(self, int1 = 1, int2 = 1, int3 = 1, int4 = 0):
>         self.int1 = int1
>         self.int2 = int2
>         self.int3 = int3
>         self.int4 = int4
>
> 1,2,3,4 hard coded is generally a red flag that you should be using a list.
>
> I didn't look at what the code is doing, but you should be able to replace
> all the int1 with i[1]
> (don't use int[1], int is a reserved word)
>
> Step 2: Once you have that working, you should be able to replace all the
> 1,2,3,4's with for n in range(1,5): i[n]
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I think this works!  Yay!!!  Although I would like to make it more
>> general for any integer n besides 4.  Do I really need int1, int2, int3,
>> int4?  I think all I need is the initial vector = [1, 1, 1, 1, ......, 0].
>>
>> Gotta go!  Oh yeah, code here is in Python 3.  Not sure how well it will
>> run in Python 2.  I don't know when Python 4 is coming out, but if it's not
>> backward compatible with Python 3 I have a feeling A LOT of folks in the
>> Python community are going to be very, very upset!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Doug.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
>
>  _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From d-lewit at neiu.edu  Fri Jul 17 21:54:27 2015
From: d-lewit at neiu.edu (Lewit, Douglas)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Cartesian 1111 to 4444.....to nnnn (general case)
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Hey Tim,

I like your solution!  But I'm trying to handle as much of the code myself
without relying on builtin tools.  The builtin tools are awesome, but I
know how my professor thinks.  If there's a harder way to solve a problem,
that's the way he wants me to do it.

I modified my original code and this is what I have.  Although my program
will accept any positive integer between 1 and 10 inclusive, unless you
have a lot of free time on your hands I would not recommend entering an
integer greater than 7 or 8.

Best,

Doug.

P.S.  The itertools package is the best!  I used it a lot last semester
when I took Computational Biology and we had to generate gigantic lists of
various combinations, permutations and products of the nucleotide bases (A,
T, C, G for DNA and A, U, C, G for RNA.)  Curiously enough, if you visit
Amazon.com and search for books on BioInformatics you will end up with a
very long list of books that use Perl rather than Python.  Why is that?



On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> did you use this:
>
> number_of_lists = 4
> numbers = range(10)
> print list( itertools.product(*[numbers]*number_of_lists))
>
>
> Yields a list from 1,1,1,1 to 9,9,9,9 given that all lists are identical
> in content.
> number of lists and length of list are variable.
> Inner ranges could be iterators too, to avoid having memory chewed up by
> Note, the above example lets memory be consumed by list() and range().
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:38 AM Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>
>>     def __init__(self, int1 = 1, int2 = 1, int3 = 1, int4 = 0):
>>         self.int1 = int1
>>         self.int2 = int2
>>         self.int3 = int3
>>         self.int4 = int4
>>
>> 1,2,3,4 hard coded is generally a red flag that you should be using a
>> list.
>>
>> I didn't look at what the code is doing, but you should be able to
>> replace all the int1 with i[1]
>> (don't use int[1], int is a reserved word)
>>
>> Step 2: Once you have that working, you should be able to replace all the
>> 1,2,3,4's with for n in range(1,5): i[n]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this works!  Yay!!!  Although I would like to make it more
>>> general for any integer n besides 4.  Do I really need int1, int2, int3,
>>> int4?  I think all I need is the initial vector = [1, 1, 1, 1, ......, 0].
>>>
>>> Gotta go!  Oh yeah, code here is in Python 3.  Not sure how well it will
>>> run in Python 2.  I don't know when Python 4 is coming out, but if it's not
>>> backward compatible with Python 3 I have a feeling A LOT of folks in the
>>> Python community are going to be very, very upset!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Doug.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
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From tottinge at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 23:09:01 2015
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 21:09:01 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Cartesian 1111 to 4444.....to nnnn (general case)
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Sorry, I skimmed the thread and didn't realize it was a school assignment.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:55 PM Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu> wrote:

> Hey Tim,
>
> I like your solution!  But I'm trying to handle as much of the code myself
> without relying on builtin tools.  The builtin tools are awesome, but I
> know how my professor thinks.  If there's a harder way to solve a problem,
> that's the way he wants me to do it.
>
> I modified my original code and this is what I have.  Although my program
> will accept any positive integer between 1 and 10 inclusive, unless you
> have a lot of free time on your hands I would not recommend entering an
> integer greater than 7 or 8.
>
> Best,
>
> Doug.
>
> P.S.  The itertools package is the best!  I used it a lot last semester
> when I took Computational Biology and we had to generate gigantic lists of
> various combinations, permutations and products of the nucleotide bases (A,
> T, C, G for DNA and A, U, C, G for RNA.)  Curiously enough, if you visit
> Amazon.com and search for books on BioInformatics you will end up with a
> very long list of books that use Perl rather than Python.  Why is that?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> did you use this:
>>
>> number_of_lists = 4
>> numbers = range(10)
>> print list( itertools.product(*[numbers]*number_of_lists))
>>
>>
>> Yields a list from 1,1,1,1 to 9,9,9,9 given that all lists are identical
>> in content.
>> number of lists and length of list are variable.
>> Inner ranges could be iterators too, to avoid having memory chewed up by
>> Note, the above example lets memory be consumed by list() and range().
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:38 AM Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>     def __init__(self, int1 = 1, int2 = 1, int3 = 1, int4 = 0):
>>>         self.int1 = int1
>>>         self.int2 = int2
>>>         self.int3 = int3
>>>         self.int4 = int4
>>>
>>> 1,2,3,4 hard coded is generally a red flag that you should be using a
>>> list.
>>>
>>> I didn't look at what the code is doing, but you should be able to
>>> replace all the int1 with i[1]
>>> (don't use int[1], int is a reserved word)
>>>
>>> Step 2: Once you have that working, you should be able to replace all
>>> the 1,2,3,4's with for n in range(1,5): i[n]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Lewit, Douglas <d-lewit at neiu.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think this works!  Yay!!!  Although I would like to make it more
>>>> general for any integer n besides 4.  Do I really need int1, int2, int3,
>>>> int4?  I think all I need is the initial vector = [1, 1, 1, 1, ......, 0].
>>>>
>>>> Gotta go!  Oh yeah, code here is in Python 3.  Not sure how well it
>>>> will run in Python 2.  I don't know when Python 4 is coming out, but if
>>>> it's not backward compatible with Python 3 I have a feeling A LOT of folks
>>>> in the Python community are going to be very, very upset!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Doug.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
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From proba at allstate.com  Fri Jul 17 23:59:54 2015
From: proba at allstate.com (Robare, Phillip (Randstant))
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 21:59:54 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Cartesian 1111 to 4444.....to nnnn (general case)
Message-ID: <50869A74BA4F07468AD797C9BFF1FE3E07EAEF67@A0185-XPO1026-C.ad.allstate.com>

>>  If there's a harder way to solve a problem, that's the way he wants me to do it.

In that case, revise your code again.  What you have is getting better but can be still more general and easy to modify.

Each of columns of your output can represented as elements of a new class.  Let's call the class a Column since it will end up being written out as a column in the output.  This class has the list of values being iterated over, a current value, and an instance of the Column class that is to the right (None on the rightmost column).  This class has a generator that increments the current value, checks to see if it has gone off the end, and if not yields.  If it has gone past the end it sets the current value to the first position and calls the next() method of the generator in the class to the right (if the reference is not None).  There are some other nuances to the generator but I want you to discover them instead of having them laid out for you.

Now your vector in the class CartesianProductN becomes a vector of four of these classes (or N of them) and addOne() just calls the next() method of the lowest order Column generator.  print() becomes querying the current value of each column class in the vector.

Now you can generalize not just the number of columns in the vector but also the number and type of elements that are being iterated over.

Also, if you are going to write in Python, start writing unit tests.  Look at the unittest module in the python documentation.  Thinking about how to write code so that it is testable is a good way to guide yourself to writing code that is well structured as well.

I would also encourage you to pursue learning OCaml.  It will help your thinking about programming to learn a language that is so strict about types that it can compile to very fast code.  (It will also make you appreciate Python.)  Here is a good blog post about how to go about learning it: http://blog.nullspace.io/beginners-guide-to-ocaml-beginners-guides.html

One of the learning resources for OCaml is the 99 problems page http://ocaml.org/learn/tutorials/99problems.html.  I would encourage you to also try these problems in Python also to get a feel for how you can express the same algorithm in different languages.

Phil Robare

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From joe.jasinski at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 19:44:22 2015
From: joe.jasinski at gmail.com (Joe Jasinski)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 12:44:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Call for August 13th Meeting Speakers
Message-ID: <CACdfcwVTo1tDjGWYk2wPaK1scuMjk0iKyaXK6ftALsUD7rWdSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

ChiPy is looking for speakers for the Thursday, August 13th meeting. If you
have something Python-related that you'd like to speak about, we'd be happy
to hear from you.  You can reply to this email or email me at directly
joe.jasinski at gmail.com.

At some point, we'll also need to you to fill out the talk proposal from
below, so we can post the meeting information on our website.

http://www.chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose

Hope to hear from you soon!
Joe


-- 
Joe J. Jasinski
ChiPy Co-Organizer
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From d-lewit at neiu.edu  Sun Jul 19 23:16:14 2015
From: d-lewit at neiu.edu (Lewit, Douglas)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:16:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] In case anyone is interested.....
Message-ID: <CAPdZZGzHbS1KzMBD=HQdjOsZ0_cqqFXRcRrXCb1D13iqUGZV8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi fellow Python enthusiasts,

Last time I asked for some help with Cartesian products in Python.  I also
did the same thing in Java.  But with my Java program I went one step
further.  I included a hasRepeats( ) boolean function to help extract the
permutations from my list of Cartesian products.

"Speaking" more than one computer language has actually helped me
tremendously.  I really learn stuff when I translate Java code to Python
code, or translate Python code to Java code.  I know that some strict
theoretical people in this field believe that algorithms should be language
independent, but I'm not really convinced of that.  I personally believe
based upon my own experiences in programming that the language you use the
most often is going to influence how you think about all these various
algorithms.  I have dabbled in Fortran, C++, Ocaml, Matlab, have used Maple
and Mathematica very extensively, and have also done a lot of programming
work in Java and Python.  I definitely do not believe that all languages
are the same.  (It's like universalists who believe that all religions are
the same.  Uh.... NOT TRUE!!!)

Best,

Douglas.

P.S.  Extracting the permutations from the products was easy, but now I
want to extract the combinations from the permutations.  I think in Python
that would be pretty easy because of the keyword *in *to test for
membership in a list.  In Java that could be more of a challenge.  I'll
worry about it after my summer final exams are over!   :-)
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From jjhelmus at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 21:18:39 2015
From: jjhelmus at gmail.com (Jonathan Helmus)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:18:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Call for August 13th Meeting Speakers
In-Reply-To: <CACdfcwVTo1tDjGWYk2wPaK1scuMjk0iKyaXK6ftALsUD7rWdSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACdfcwVTo1tDjGWYk2wPaK1scuMjk0iKyaXK6ftALsUD7rWdSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AD498F.8010807@gmail.com>

On 07/19/2015 12:44 PM, Joe Jasinski wrote:
> Hi all, 
>
> ChiPy is looking for speakers for the Thursday, August 13th meeting.
> If you have something Python-related that you'd like to speak about,
> we'd be happy to hear from you.  You can reply to this email or email
> me at directly joe.jasinski at gmail.com <mailto:joe.jasinski at gmail.com>.  
>
> At some point, we'll also need to you to fill out the talk proposal
> from below, so we can post the meeting information on our website. 
>
> http://www.chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose
>
> Hope to hear from you soon!
> Joe
>
>
> -- 
> Joe J. Jasinski
> ChiPy Co-Organizer 
>
Has there been a talk on conda (http://conda.pydata.org/docs/), an open
source package management system, at ChiPy?  If not is there interested
in such a talk?  I'd be happy to give one at the August meeting if there
is interest.

Cheers,

    - Jonathan Helmus
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 21:34:25 2015
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 19:34:25 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Call for August 13th Meeting Speakers
In-Reply-To: <55AD498F.8010807@gmail.com>
References: <CACdfcwVTo1tDjGWYk2wPaK1scuMjk0iKyaXK6ftALsUD7rWdSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <55AD498F.8010807@gmail.com>
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+1

Keep calm and Conda Install!

Submit at
http://www.chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:26 PM Jonathan Helmus <jjhelmus at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/19/2015 12:44 PM, Joe Jasinski wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  ChiPy is looking for speakers for the Thursday, August 13th meeting. If
> you have something Python-related that you'd like to speak about, we'd be
> happy to hear from you.  You can reply to this email or email me at
> directly joe.jasinski at gmail.com.
>
>  At some point, we'll also need to you to fill out the talk proposal from
> below, so we can post the meeting information on our website.
>
>  http://www.chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose
>
>  Hope to hear from you soon!
> Joe
>
>
>  --
> Joe J. Jasinski
>  ChiPy Co-Organizer
>
>  Has there been a talk on conda (http://conda.pydata.org/docs/), an open
> source package management system, at ChiPy?  If not is there interested in
> such a talk?  I'd be happy to give one at the August meeting if there is
> interest.
>
> Cheers,
>
>     - Jonathan Helmus
>  _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From joe.jasinski at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 22:31:18 2015
From: joe.jasinski at gmail.com (Joe Jasinski)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 15:31:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Call for August 13th Meeting Speakers
In-Reply-To: <55AD498F.8010807@gmail.com>
References: <CACdfcwVTo1tDjGWYk2wPaK1scuMjk0iKyaXK6ftALsUD7rWdSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <55AD498F.8010807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACdfcwWFK57hkNnb5yCeGHK8HQndNtsOQwcJmSzi7LXcVbXGog@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a great topic!


On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Helmus <jjhelmus at gmail.com> wrote:

>  On 07/19/2015 12:44 PM, Joe Jasinski wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  ChiPy is looking for speakers for the Thursday, August 13th meeting. If
> you have something Python-related that you'd like to speak about, we'd be
> happy to hear from you.  You can reply to this email or email me at
> directly joe.jasinski at gmail.com.
>
>  At some point, we'll also need to you to fill out the talk proposal from
> below, so we can post the meeting information on our website.
>
>  http://www.chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose
>
>  Hope to hear from you soon!
> Joe
>
>
>  --
> Joe J. Jasinski
>  ChiPy Co-Organizer
>
>  Has there been a talk on conda (http://conda.pydata.org/docs/), an open
> source package management system, at ChiPy?  If not is there interested in
> such a talk?  I'd be happy to give one at the August meeting if there is
> interest.
>
> Cheers,
>
>     - Jonathan Helmus
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From osiddique at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 07:14:32 2015
From: osiddique at gmail.com (Osman Siddique)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 00:14:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] gevent question
Message-ID: <CANJvWKtkYecPm5NOwk0S+Co1zEYejU+p_7L6CKJCtvG8w=G9vg@mail.gmail.com>

hi best users group ever,

any help would be greatly appreciated. i'm trying to write something that
sends out a bunch of messages at once. i have one solution that works, but
i feel like it's slow b/c it takes ~4 seconds to send 3000 http post
requests on my 2012 my macbook air. admittedly, i'm new to the exciting
world of http so maybe this is normal.

here's the solution that doesn't work.

import requests, json, multiprocessing, gevent
from gevent import monkey

monkey.patch_socket()

def send(s, data):
    s.post("http://127.0.0.1:8080", data)
    print data

def worker(id):
    s = requests.session()
    for i in range(1, 1000):
        data = json.dumps({'a':True,'b':123.0,'c':i,'d':id})
        gevent.spawn(send, s, data)
    data = json.dumps({'a':True,'b':123.0,'d':id})
    send(s, data)

if __name__ == '__main__':
    p = multiprocessing.Pool(5)
    p.map(worker, [1, 2, 3])

my server running on the other side only seems to see a few of the first
requests from the for loop. after that, the next thing it sees are the
requests outside of the loop. basically wondering why i don't see that
'print data' command in the send func being executed.

thanks,
osman
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From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 16:00:42 2015
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:00:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] gevent question
In-Reply-To: <CANJvWKtkYecPm5NOwk0S+Co1zEYejU+p_7L6CKJCtvG8w=G9vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANJvWKtkYecPm5NOwk0S+Co1zEYejU+p_7L6CKJCtvG8w=G9vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmpWQBg6i5UaBuE5Cm1k2=CRy-VU4Rd9jR1g87xO8aGNJBNwA@mail.gmail.com>

First thing you should do is take out the multiprocessing and see what your
single threaded performance looks like.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Osman Siddique <osiddique at gmail.com>
wrote:

> hi best users group ever,
>
> any help would be greatly appreciated. i'm trying to write something that
> sends out a bunch of messages at once. i have one solution that works, but
> i feel like it's slow b/c it takes ~4 seconds to send 3000 http post
> requests on my 2012 my macbook air. admittedly, i'm new to the exciting
> world of http so maybe this is normal.
>
> here's the solution that doesn't work.
>
> import requests, json, multiprocessing, gevent
> from gevent import monkey
>
> monkey.patch_socket()
>
> def send(s, data):
>     s.post("http://127.0.0.1:8080", data)
>     print data
>
> def worker(id):
>     s = requests.session()
>     for i in range(1, 1000):
>         data = json.dumps({'a':True,'b':123.0,'c':i,'d':id})
>         gevent.spawn(send, s, data)
>     data = json.dumps({'a':True,'b':123.0,'d':id})
>     send(s, data)
>
> if __name__ == '__main__':
>     p = multiprocessing.Pool(5)
>     p.map(worker, [1, 2, 3])
>
> my server running on the other side only seems to see a few of the first
> requests from the for loop. after that, the next thing it sees are the
> requests outside of the loop. basically wondering why i don't see that
> 'print data' command in the send func being executed.
>
> thanks,
> osman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From shekay at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 18:22:47 2015
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:22:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Trip Report: Django Birthday
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raOj+B4keKfC4i_vAqKz-pc+N1fefRmoEeK2faq41g3gQ@mail.gmail.com>

At work we share trip reports when we go to conferences. I went to Django
Birthday and my trip report is appended below after the -----.

There were more talks than I described. I only picked a few to share
descriptions about. People can see them all on pyvideo.


Someone replied to my trip report and said that the DjangoGirls organizers,
Ola and Ola, are working on a python book, <http://yaypython.com/>.

I brought up the celebration-style aspect of a DjangoGirls event in my trip
report because I didn't realize how significant this can be. I may try that
in the future if I have more classes. In the past I had afternoon snacks
but nothing so celebratory.

Contextualizing Django in the problem domain (journalism) and town history
(there was an abolitionist press that was destroyed during the sacking of
Lawrence) was interesting, so I mentioned that talk in my trip report even
though it wasn't about python or the framework directly.

The changlog greatest hits talk was interesting -- since I didn't start
using django until >1.4 I don't have all the experience most people there
had and I didn't go through all the growing pains.

The accessibility talk was informative, and it is something I want everyone
to think about when picking venues for user group meetings and events.
Accessibility is a huge factor in why I host project nights at Braintree.
I'm really happy that they host us. This talk mentions nursing rooms and
quiet spaces, and I hadn't thought of that before -- so I will ask to see
if there are quiet rooms available for project night. I think there are,
but I haven't checked nor made arrangements to guide people to them.

---------- Forwarded message ----------


Django is 10 years old and the creators had a Django Birthday conference.
The conference emphasis was on community building.

Videos of the talks can be found here.
http://pyvideo.org/category/71/django-birthday

A few of the talks

Django: The Conspiracy
Andrew Godwin
This talk was hilarious. I got a small spoiler for this because my spouse
was handling the av and recording and they told him they needed a smoke
machine.

Development Milestones: 1.0 Onwards
Marc Tamlyn
Or, Changelogs: Greatest Hits. Marc went through the history of Django in
hindsight, pointing out things that were good ideas versus bad ideas. This
talk was a little boring at times due to being very list like, but I liked
how he pointed out some things in hindsight that were mistakes or could
have gone better. We got to consider django as it matured and you can also
see the order in which they added things over the years (it tracks with the
history of the web, no?).

Some of The Bad:
TEMPLATE_STRING_IF_INVALID, URL namespaces,  New form wizard, hasty
transactions implementation (or that comment may have been about CSRF)

Some of The Good
1.4: Timezone support support, prefetch_related, project layout, wsgi.py

1.5: update_fields, Streaming http response, Python 3, little things:
slugify, LOGIN_URL accepts patterns

1.6: "rewrote transaction management so that it actually made sense",
persistent db connections, negative diff for the first time

1.7 migrations!

1.8 first version to be released on time, contrib.postgres

1.9 Permission Mixins (pulled in from django braces), more contrib.postgres

He admitted he didn't have good hindsights on poor decisions for django
>1.5. They have releases every 9 months (they've had ones > 9 months,
earlier on). Maybe it takes a year or so for hindsight to build up when
developing a framework.


Documentation as Empathy
Eric Holscher

Tangent: Eric is the maintainer of readthedocs.org and runs Write The Docs
every year. When I found out about that conference I told my spouse it was
an awesome idea and that he must absolutely record it, hence <
http://videos.writethedocs.org/> ever since.

One of the reasons Eric fell in love with django was due to the extensive
documentation. Documentation reduces friction. Projects with good
documentation show that the people who work on it care about users and
contributors. Good projects are ones with a documentation culture, and he
encouraged us to prefer projects that have a documentation culture versus
ones that do not. I agree!

I have some criticisms of Django's documentation. It mixes up usage and
tutorial information with API documentation. I find this style of
documentation tricky for when I need to look something up quickly versus
when I need to find examples or read a tutorial. Also, class based views,
omg. Someone made this browser for a reference guide, <http://ccbv.co.uk/>
because of how hard it sometimes get to dig through the documentation when
you need a quick reference. Examples interleaved with reference docs seem
like a good idea in theory, and the right ratio is not obvious to me.

Another aside: I would like to have a frictionless way to deploy a
readthedocs site, so if someone writes a mojo spec for it I will send you
AWESOME CHOCOLATE TREATS. (be sure to either visit me or ask for them in
winter).

Snakes, Ponies and Balloons: Stories of Teaching Django to Thousands of
Women
Ola Sitarska

I have heard how great the Django Girls tutorials are for teaching people
django. Pydanny and audry have picked those materials as the best in show
right now.

In addition to having a good curriculum, the cute and party-ish aspects of
an event help people feel happy and excited. She showed pictures of events
with balloons, cupcakes, etc. Not only do attendees learn django, they also
work in a relaxed and fun environment. Someone isn't going to learn
everything in a day, but an event like this starts them off in a fun way.

If you are going to plan an event, maybe read a blog post or watch some
talks from Django Girls organizers, as well as look at practices people
have follow when running OpenHatch events, <http://discourse.openhatch.org/>.
Shauna Gorden-Mckeon maintains an event handbook, <
http://opensource-events.com/>, and is giving a keynote at SeaGL in
October. <http://seagl.org/news/2015/06/14/Keynotes.html>.

A More Accessible Django Girls
Lacey Williams Henschel

This talk discussed accessibility logistics for event planning.  I added a
link to slides, transcript, and an article by her to the video page <
http://www.pyvideo.org/video/3662/a-more-accessible-django-girls>

If you are going to run an event, this will give you guidelines on picking
a good location and making it easy for everyone to get to and use.

Picking a venue.

* easy to get to via public transit
* elevators
* wide doors
* restrooms for all genders on every floor
* quiet rooms
* service animals allowed

Setup

* good signs. informative, easy to read
* wayfinding clues (could be signs, could be painters tape)
* consider lighting and noise levels
* have guidelines on use of scent

Signup

* Have questions so that people can specify food preferences, and indicate
if they have any accessibility requests.

I've searched around a lot to get advice like this, and Software Carpentry
has a good checklist for their events:  <
http://software-carpentry.org/workshops/checklists/accessibility.html>

As a reminder, sometimes a meeting has a sound system being used for the
people present as well as for recording. If you are giving a presentation
do not refuse to talk in to a mic or get wired up. Even if you can project
your voice to the room to the room, use mics for the benefit of users who
will hear a recording later and for the benefit of people in the audience
who have trouble hearing. Likewise, don't forget to repeat questions during
Q&A. If you can't tell, I get very irked when people aren't considerate
about speaking in to microphones.

Born in (the) #LFK
David Ryan

Django was developed by people working for the Lawrence Journal-World in
Lawrence, Kansas, and this talk was about the history of Lawrence including
the destruction of The Herald of Freedom presses during the sacking of
Lawrence, <http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82006863/>

I wasn't expecting a talk like this at a technical conference, but I
enjoyed learning about the town where Django started. It was a nice place
to visit as well. We stayed in a hotel that near three bookstores and had
some nice food and coffee in walking distance. There should be more
conferences in smaller towns. (one drawback -- 1 hour drive from airport
and we had to rent a car).


-- 
sheila
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From szybalski at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 05:53:28 2015
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 vs libapache2-mod-wsgi
Message-ID: <CAKkTUv3_OdvD-F+uJiDOv3a+1XyfKKaM7OUOCED0+0WJbkkNqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
Just for a confirmation. Is it possible to have both
libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
and
libapache2-mod-wsgi

I have projects like trac,and few others on python2,
I'm installing newly converted pyramid on python3.
I wanted to to add to my apache setup, but it seems like I need
libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3? If I proceed does it mean all other projects stop
working?

Thanks
Lucas


aptitude install libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3{b}
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded.
Need to get 83.6 kB of archives. After unpacking 292 kB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 : Conflicts: libapache2-mod-wsgi but 4.3.0-1 is
installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

     Remove the following packages:
1)     libapache2-mod-wsgi
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 05:54:44 2015
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 vs libapache2-mod-wsgi
In-Reply-To: <CAKkTUv3_OdvD-F+uJiDOv3a+1XyfKKaM7OUOCED0+0WJbkkNqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKkTUv3_OdvD-F+uJiDOv3a+1XyfKKaM7OUOCED0+0WJbkkNqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1963E57C-A158-4E3A-BB82-A1F74354AA32@gmail.com>

If you want to do this you should probably use virtualenv correct?
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Just for a confirmation. Is it possible to have both 
> libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 
> and 
> libapache2-mod-wsgi
> 
> I have projects like trac,and few others on python2,
> I'm installing newly converted pyramid on python3.
> I wanted to to add to my apache setup, but it seems like I need libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3? If I proceed does it mean all other projects stop working?
> 
> Thanks
> Lucas
> 
> 
> aptitude install libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3{b} 
> 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded.
> Need to get 83.6 kB of archives. After unpacking 292 kB will be used.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 : Conflicts: libapache2-mod-wsgi but 4.3.0-1 is installed.
> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
> 
>      Remove the following packages:
> 1)     libapache2-mod-wsgi         
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From szybalski at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 06:03:20 2015
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 23:03:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 vs libapache2-mod-wsgi
In-Reply-To: <1963E57C-A158-4E3A-BB82-A1F74354AA32@gmail.com>
References: <CAKkTUv3_OdvD-F+uJiDOv3a+1XyfKKaM7OUOCED0+0WJbkkNqw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1963E57C-A158-4E3A-BB82-A1F74354AA32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKkTUv0Xp2gVvduOpS7VBqX-ki1aX=O1e+L3-HB-LiQHR58Ytg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you want to do this you should probably use virtualenv correct?
>

Correct, I am using virtualenv to store my packages. which is one of the
directive for setting up the WSGIprocess.. that you pass python-path

When running the project I get error in apache error log that:

 from urllib.parse import urlparse
[Thu Jul 30 22:33:23.928511 2015] [wsgi:error] [pid 55740] [remote
xxxxxx:512] ImportError: No module named parse

after googleing some info...it seems as somehow modwsgi loads python2...
this lead me to conclusion that you need modwsgi py3 installed on debian
machine...

the questions is: can you have both mod-wsgi and mod-wsgi-py3?

Thanks
Lucas

> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Just for a confirmation. Is it possible to have both
> > libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
> > and
> > libapache2-mod-wsgi
> >
> > I have projects like trac,and few others on python2,
> > I'm installing newly converted pyramid on python3.
> > I wanted to to add to my apache setup, but it seems like I need
> libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3? If I proceed does it mean all other projects stop
> working?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lucas
> >
> >
> > aptitude install libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> >   libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3{b}
> > 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 83.6 kB of archives. After unpacking 292 kB will be used.
> > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> >  libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 : Conflicts: libapache2-mod-wsgi but 4.3.0-1 is
> installed.
> > The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
> >
> >      Remove the following packages:
> > 1)     libapache2-mod-wsgi
> >
>
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 06:10:05 2015
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 23:10:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 vs libapache2-mod-wsgi
In-Reply-To: <CAKkTUv0Xp2gVvduOpS7VBqX-ki1aX=O1e+L3-HB-LiQHR58Ytg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKkTUv3_OdvD-F+uJiDOv3a+1XyfKKaM7OUOCED0+0WJbkkNqw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1963E57C-A158-4E3A-BB82-A1F74354AA32@gmail.com>
 <CAKkTUv0Xp2gVvduOpS7VBqX-ki1aX=O1e+L3-HB-LiQHR58Ytg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1znJ3Wi4yo0tSoAfceE2gLACf12tdP8CzG_5h=mSQKAN8A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Lucas,
I think this manual may help. IRRC when I taught virtualenv to people at
the PyLadies meetup modwsgi is a dependency of virtualenv so thats why what
you are doing is tricky.
I think virtualenv installs pip so i think you may have to manually specify
the site packages.
https://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/VirtualEnvironments
Sincerely,
Joshua Herman

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If you want to do this you should probably use virtualenv correct?
>>
>
> Correct, I am using virtualenv to store my packages. which is one of the
> directive for setting up the WSGIprocess.. that you pass python-path
>
> When running the project I get error in apache error log that:
>
>  from urllib.parse import urlparse
> [Thu Jul 30 22:33:23.928511 2015] [wsgi:error] [pid 55740] [remote
> xxxxxx:512] ImportError: No module named parse
>
> after googleing some info...it seems as somehow modwsgi loads python2...
> this lead me to conclusion that you need modwsgi py3 installed on debian
> machine...
>
> the questions is: can you have both mod-wsgi and mod-wsgi-py3?
>
> Thanks
> Lucas
>
> > On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> > Just for a confirmation. Is it possible to have both
>> > libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
>> > and
>> > libapache2-mod-wsgi
>> >
>> > I have projects like trac,and few others on python2,
>> > I'm installing newly converted pyramid on python3.
>> > I wanted to to add to my apache setup, but it seems like I need
>> libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3? If I proceed does it mean all other projects stop
>> working?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Lucas
>> >
>> >
>> > aptitude install libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
>> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
>> >   libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3{b}
>> > 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded.
>> > Need to get 83.6 kB of archives. After unpacking 292 kB will be used.
>> > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>> >  libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 : Conflicts: libapache2-mod-wsgi but 4.3.0-1
>> is installed.
>> > The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>> >
>> >      Remove the following packages:
>> > 1)     libapache2-mod-wsgi
>> >
>>
>
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 05:54:44 2015
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 vs libapache2-mod-wsgi
In-Reply-To: <CAKkTUv3_OdvD-F+uJiDOv3a+1XyfKKaM7OUOCED0+0WJbkkNqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKkTUv3_OdvD-F+uJiDOv3a+1XyfKKaM7OUOCED0+0WJbkkNqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1963E57C-A158-4E3A-BB82-A1F74354AA32@gmail.com>

If you want to do this you should probably use virtualenv correct?
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Just for a confirmation. Is it possible to have both 
> libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 
> and 
> libapache2-mod-wsgi
> 
> I have projects like trac,and few others on python2,
> I'm installing newly converted pyramid on python3.
> I wanted to to add to my apache setup, but it seems like I need libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3? If I proceed does it mean all other projects stop working?
> 
> Thanks
> Lucas
> 
> 
> aptitude install libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3{b} 
> 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded.
> Need to get 83.6 kB of archives. After unpacking 292 kB will be used.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 : Conflicts: libapache2-mod-wsgi but 4.3.0-1 is installed.
> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
> 
>      Remove the following packages:
> 1)     libapache2-mod-wsgi         
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago