[Chicago] Status of recruiters on this list

[JP Bader]

Actually, after stewing on it for a bit, I rewrote it to avoid the
attacking:

Pete -

According to the minutes (which aren't available directly from the website,
you either have to dig around or find a previous email can be found here:
http://www.chipy.org/pages/chipy/board/), board members are:

1) Brian R
2) Adam B
3) Adam F
4) Randy B
5) Amber D
6) Jerry D

That said, as you pointed out, Chipy is not a PSF resource. This email list
(chicago at python.org) is.

ChiPy is a privately owned club.

The chicago at python.org is FOR EVERYONE, not just ChiPy, and that said, I'd
really like to see more people administering that email list.

Honestly, over the last few weeks we have seen nasty emails chide members
of our great community. This is not only distasteful, it does not improve
our community. And though some rodents might have contributed to the groups
drinking and eating, whether or not a recruiter wants to line those folks'
pockets should not mean a recruiter should not have access to our
community. Work pays the bills. Transparency keeps us honest.

The community as a whole deserves unimpeded and unfettered access to
information.

Clearly chicago at python.org is a public list for anyone who wants to be
involved in the python community in and around Chicago (or frankly anywhere
in the world). That's the beauty of the internet, everyone everywhere
should get to participate. If there are now controls in place to block the
group from seeing what 1-2 people think are spam, then the problem is that
private interests are trumping the group.

Unfortunately, reading the minutes from the club's board meetings thus far,
it is truly enervating that a private board thinks it gets to decide
information is disseminated to the community. The email does not belong to
a club, it belongs to our community.

If you don't care, then you aren't paying attention.

It has been hard over the last few weeks to watch the email list get
spammed with demands that anyone wishing to participate play by dictated
rules, or be labelled a coward. After spending a fair amount of time to
understand this behavior, I came to a peaceful conclusion that this isn't
personal.

I love the Python community, have learned a lot from different resources,
and enjoy meeting people who are serious about learning and sharing.
Thankfully I understand a lot more about ChiPy, how it's perceived, and am
ok with that.

Instead of being upset, I wish remain a part of chicago at python.org, and
that means participating in a community where there are workshops, office
hours, learning opportunities, and even *gasp* job opportunities.

If the club owners wish to maintain control of their fiefdom, that's
perfectly fine. It's under ownership, so why shouldn't they?

chicago at python.org is part of the community, and nobody has more right than
Pete, or myself, or [insert name here], to see what's coming to the
community. For that, we need ultimate transparency. If it isn't obvious to
someone who sits on the board of PSF, then there is a serious problem.

Regardless of how quickly the ChiPy club wishes to address this, if other
people are interested in participating as mods of chicago at python.org,
please request Cezar to add you to the list directly. This is your group
too.

That said, Cezar, as a person who is committed to our community, learning,
and participating in all things Python (when applicable) I am publicly
requesting to be made an admin of the chicago at python.org mailing list.

Regards,

JP

python >>> import this

"Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules."
*If you aren't participating because you don't want to be bullied, then you
are paying attention!

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Peter Fein <pete at wearpants.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > There is a current action item to review this process (moderation of
> mailing
> > list) by the ChiPy board. As it stands until then:
>
> I'm still waiting to know who the mysterious members of this board are
> that are making these decisions on the community's behalf about how a
> PSF resource is used.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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JP Bader
Principal
Zavteq, Inc.
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