From listserves at skilfullycurled.org Fri Nov 1 04:02:24 2013 From: listserves at skilfullycurled.org (Benj. N. Sugar) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:02:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Design for Empowerment Extended: Chicago Message-ID: <5CFAA164-C4CE-432D-AEB3-45CE7B0B1A95@skilfullycurled.org> Hey ChiPy! I'm going to be offering an informal class at CivicLab (http://civiclab.us...?) called Design for Empowerment: Extended that I thought folks on this list might be interested in. Announcement below. Please forward wildly and with abandon. On Nov. 12, 2013, CivicLab will be launching an informal class called Design for Empowerment Extended: Chicago. DFEX: CHI is an extension of the Design for Empowerment class originally offered at the MIT Media Lab by Professor Leah Buechaly of the High Low Tech Group. A brief summary: Technology is increasingly shaped and developed by everyday people who design, build, and hack their own devices. The goal of this class is to understand, contribute to, and support these creative communities. We will focus on tools that enable non-experts to design and build computational and electronic artifacts. Along the way we will investigate software toolkits, hardware toolkits, open-source technologies, fabrication processes, and new manufacturing and distribution models. We will explore these tools and communities with the following questions in mind: How can technology and design both raise and lower barriers to empowerment? How can low cost technologies be co-opted and combined to create high tech solutions to real world problems? How can you identify and describe a healthy community, and how can we create tools which foster healthy communities? A more in depth overview of the class can be found here: http://dfexchi.eventb...? A tentative syllabus with a basic outline of the course can be found here:http://whichlight.com...? Hope to see you there! If you have any questions feel free to contact me through the forum or personally at benjamin [at] civiclab [dot] us From brianhray at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 15:43:36 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 09:43:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] =?utf-8?b?4piFIExhc3QgZGF5IOKYhSB0byBzdWJtaXQgYSBwcm9w?= =?utf-8?q?osal_for_the_PyCon_2014_poster_session!?= Message-ID: ""@pycon: ? Last day ? to submit a proposal for the PyCon 2014 poster session! http://t.co/NmSQisfZin Deadline: Today! Friday Nov 1st (end of day)"" -- Brian Ray @brianray (773) 669-7717 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianhray at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 00:05:28 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 18:05:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] November talk proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete: Please enter your talk http://www.chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose Anyone else.... enter your talk and pitch to list. 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DFEX: CHI is an extension of the Design for Empowerment class originally offered at the MIT Media Lab by Professor Leah Buechaly of the High Low Tech Group. A brief summary: > > Technology is increasingly shaped and developed by everyday people who design, build, and hack their own devices. The goal of this class is to understand, contribute to, and support these creative communities. We will focus on tools that enable non-experts to design and build computational and electronic artifacts. Along the way we will investigate software toolkits, hardware toolkits, open-source technologies, fabrication processes, and new manufacturing and distribution models. We will explore these tools and communities with the following questions in mind: How can technology and design both raise and lower barriers to empowerment? How can low cost technologies be co-opted and combined to create high tech solutions to real world problems? How can you identify and describe a healthy community, and how can we create tools which foster healthy communities? > > A more in depth overview of the class can be found here: http://dfexchi.eventb...? > > A tentative syllabus with a basic outline of the course can be found here:http://whichlight.com...? > > Hope to see you there! If you have any questions feel free to contact me through the forum or personally at benjamin [at] civiclab [dot] us So this sounds awesome, and I had never heard of CivicLab before. Unfortunately I'll be traveling that day so I can't make it, but I'd love to see what comes out of this. From brianhray at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 15:32:12 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 08:32:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Friends of Open Source... Message-ID: I hate asking for money... however, I would really like to run a self-supported (not all from ChiPy but we will also donate) hackathon for a young man who contributed greatly to the open source community and someone I personally mentored years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz Please send us what you can and spread the word! http://aswartzchicago.eventbrite.com/ Also, send this out so we can have a good group next weekend. Thank you for your contributions. Sincerely, Brian Ray PS please indicate to me if you want any public recognition for your contribution. -- Brian Ray @brianray (773) 669-7717 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wirth.jason at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 15:57:26 2013 From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 08:57:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Friends of Open Source... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like a ton of fun! Got PyData this weekend, otherwise I'd be there. Aaron worked on some cool stuff -- web.py, markdown, Reddit, fought against SOPA (youtu.be/Fgh2dFngFsg), etc. That's definitely worth a Gold contribution from me! -- Jason Wirth 213.675.5294 wirth.jason at gmail.com On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > I hate asking for money... however, I would really like to run a > self-supported (not all from ChiPy but we will also donate) hackathon for a > young man who contributed greatly to the open source community and someone > I personally mentored years ago: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz > > Please send us what you can and spread the word! > > http://aswartzchicago.eventbrite.com/ > > Also, send this out so we can have a good group next weekend. > > Thank you for your contributions. > > Sincerely, Brian Ray > > > PS please indicate to me if you want any public recognition for your > contribution. > > > -- > Brian Ray > @brianray > (773) 669-7717 > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianhray at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 19:47:14 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:47:14 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Aaron Swartz Hackathon Chicago location: Doejo Message-ID: *Doejo* 3128 North Broadway Chicago, IL 60657 That is in East Lakeview just South of Boystown. Walk East from Red/Brown/Purple Belmont El stop, south on Broadway. Parking (haha) it's lakeview, good luck. Time: *Saturday, November 9, 2013 from 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM (CST)* Agenda: (TBD) We are fully sponsored some food/drink is covered. There will be free times to work on projects. RSVP here: https://aswartzchicago.eventbrite.com/ Spread the word! -- Brian Ray @brianray (773) 669-7717 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randy7771026 at gmail.com Thu Nov 7 17:50:28 2013 From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:50:28 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Let's do the Agenda thing now... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, Sheila, t'was my intent to send that to the list. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:39 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > You might want to CC the rest of the list too, I bet they'll know more > about getting to Evanston than I do. > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: > >> I am planning on making both of these. This will be my first remote >> commute to and from Evanston. I am thinking I want to take the 80 to the >> Red then the 201 and reverse that home in the evening. Does anyone else >> know if that makes sense or not? The RTA trip planner does not seem to >> want to use the Red. It wants me to take the 54A or the Brown and Purple >> but the 54A does not run as late as I would hope to stay. This looks like >> it will be an adventure. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:53 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >> >>> It's really cool, and I wanted to go Friday but I couldn't take off work! >>> >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Labs2/Hackathons/November_9th,_2013/Meetups/Evanston,_IL >>> >>> I'm happy they want to join us. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Yael Grauer wrote: >>> >>>> Ooh, there's a Northwestern hackathon on Friday? Do they have an >>>> agenda? Maybe I'll go to that one. :) What's the URL? >>>> >>>> *How's my driving? Give me feedback at http://sayat.me/yael >>>> .* >>>> >>>> *Yael Grauer * >>>> *Freelance Writer *Home: (612) 200-9609 Cell: (715) 456-4273 >>>> http://yaelwrites.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Brian Ray wrote: >>>> >>>>> I guess I really dropped the ball on this one... >>>>> >>>>> But some good news: >>>>> >>>>> * Northwestern's hackathon from the night before will be joining us. >>>>> * we have invited some surprise guests and it looks likely they can >>>>> show up and say something >>>>> * We still have a the best ever venue and (apparently) money to run >>>>> the event >>>>> >>>>> In regards to something to work on. I really do not want to jump the >>>>> gun on this. However, we will have a scrum at beginning and I do have flash >>>>> cards to hang out. >>>>> >>>>> Yael, over planning at this point would be ridiculous. We are keeping >>>>> this informal, relaxed and productive because that is the way Aaron would >>>>> have wanted. We are not a world convention trade show. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Yael Grauer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure I'll be able to make any of the day either. Scrambling >>>>>> trying to find housing at the last minute after plans fell through, and I'm >>>>>> also very concerned about the lack of agenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else have feedback on the general format for the Agenda before >>>>>>> I dive into details? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Only that I hope you can find speakers and panelists on two days >>>>>> notice. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Update on Eventbrite info: The total list of attendees is now 23, and >>>>>> money raised is $247.56. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Ray >>>>> @brianray >>>>> (773) 669-7717 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> sheila >>> >> >> > > > -- > sheila > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: > Sorry, Sheila, t'was my intent to send that to the list. > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:39 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > >> You might want to CC the rest of the list too, I bet they'll know more >> about getting to Evanston than I do. >> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: >> >>> I am planning on making both of these. This will be my first remote >>> commute to and from Evanston. I am thinking I want to take the 80 to the >>> Red then the 201 and reverse that home in the evening. Does anyone else >>> know if that makes sense or not? The RTA trip planner does not seem to >>> want to use the Red. It wants me to take the 54A or the Brown and Purple >>> but the 54A does not run as late as I would hope to stay. This looks like >>> it will be an adventure. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:53 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >>> >>>> It's really cool, and I wanted to go Friday but I couldn't take off >>>> work! >>>> >>>> >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Labs2/Hackathons/November_9th,_2013/Meetups/Evanston,_IL >>>> >>>> I'm happy they want to join us. >>>> >>> [...] -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randy7771026 at gmail.com Thu Nov 7 18:11:19 2013 From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:11:19 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Let's do the Agenda thing now... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There might be an app idea here. The app would take address from Indiana to Wisconsin and the lake to Rockford and give directions that included going and returning and flagged a last train or last bus time as a warning. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:54 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > No worries, for ideas swapping, here is what I sent to Randy: > > > Be sure to look at the metra schedule. It might be easier to take the UPN > to Evanston than the el. For Evanston, the Red line does not reach it, but > you'd switch to the Purple line at Howard. For Saturday, I have walked from > the Belmont stop to near where the event is, but be sure to check the > estimated walking time. I can't remember if I was taking a leisurely stroll > or in a hurry. If I were in a hurry I might pick a different route. > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: > >> Sorry, Sheila, t'was my intent to send that to the list. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:39 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >> >>> You might want to CC the rest of the list too, I bet they'll know more >>> about getting to Evanston than I do. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: >>> >>>> I am planning on making both of these. This will be my first remote >>>> commute to and from Evanston. I am thinking I want to take the 80 to the >>>> Red then the 201 and reverse that home in the evening. Does anyone else >>>> know if that makes sense or not? The RTA trip planner does not seem to >>>> want to use the Red. It wants me to take the 54A or the Brown and Purple >>>> but the 54A does not run as late as I would hope to stay. This looks like >>>> it will be an adventure. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:53 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's really cool, and I wanted to go Friday but I couldn't take off >>>>> work! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Labs2/Hackathons/November_9th,_2013/Meetups/Evanston,_IL >>>>> >>>>> I'm happy they want to join us. >>>>> >>>> [...] > > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianhray at gmail.com Fri Nov 8 15:55:48 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:55:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] This is tomorrow Aaron Swartz Message-ID: http://aswartzchicago.eventbrite.com/ Come, remeber, hack, have fun. 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URL: From brianhray at gmail.com Tue Nov 12 15:14:04 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:14:04 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy November Meeting this Thurs 14th 7pm at Spartz Message-ID: You are invited to join us for the best meeting ever. We have world famous Hactivist and long time ChiPy superstar, Peter Fein, who recent appeared int We are Legion (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2177843/) preseenting on some measuring tools for iterators. We will learn about "Civic Making" from Benjamin Sugar and his use of Django. Philip Doctor returns to unveil the mystery of Monoids; from science to practical. We thank our first time host, Spartz: [image: Inline image 1] *Spartz is a consumer products company specializing researching, discovering, and using science to build inherently viral products. If you find understanding what makes content go viral as interesting as we do, you may be a great fit to the team. Check us out at http://www.spartzinc.com * RSVP Now -> http://chipy.org *Cost: *FREE *Live/Recorded Video and AV Coverage:* http://www.nextdayvideo.com/ *Food and Drink:* Provided By Sponsor *When:* Nov. 14, 2013, 7 p.m. *Where:* Spartz 358 W Ontario Suite 2E Chicago, IL 60654 *Topics:* - *Measure It* By: Peter Fein measure_it provides timing and counting for iterators (and other code segments). https://measure_it.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ - *CivicLab and Between the Bars* (0:15:00 Minutes) By: Benjamin Sugar In this talk, I will present on a slice of the maker movement called "civic making" and a new space that has opened up in Chicago to encourage this type creation, CivicLab. As an example of "civic making" I will discuss Between the Bars, a paper based blogging platform for those who are incarcerated, built in Django. I will also discuss our choice in framework and the pros/cons of our approach. - *Monoids in Python* (0:20:00 Minutes) By: Philip Doctor Monoids are largely badly explained, but actually quite beautiful. I would like to take a brief tour of what a monoid is and how they can help out with mundane every day tasks in python. (Share this invite) RSVP Now -> http://chipy.org -- Brian Ray @brianray (773) 669-7717 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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JP On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Allan LeSage wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm in the market for a co-working space and would like a listing and/or > recommendations for some good ones within the city limits. > > I just spent a day at NextSpace formerly COOP, I've also visited the > CivicLab; both are good matches but I'm being picky. > > Allan > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- JP Bader Principal Zavteq, Inc. @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com 608.692.2468 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From special.kevin at gmail.com Wed Nov 13 23:43:02 2013 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:43:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] OT: comparison shopping for co-working spaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DeskTime[1] might be of some help. They are a listing of co-working spaces and offices that rent out extra space. [1] https://www.desktimeapp.com Kevin On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Allan LeSage wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm in the market for a co-working space and would like a listing and/or > recommendations for some good ones within the city limits. > > I just spent a day at NextSpace formerly COOP, I've also visited the > CivicLab; both are good matches but I'm being picky. > > Allan > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com Thu Nov 14 00:15:56 2013 From: ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com (Ken Wasetis - Contextual Corp.) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:15:56 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] OT: comparison shopping for co-working spaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5284082C.5070706@contextualcorp.com> I don't work downtown and never worked in one of these spaces, so can't make a recommendation, but I did just run across this article recently that might help: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304692804577283391411121620 -- Ken Wasetis CMS Solution Architect Contextual Corp. office: 847-356-3027 ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com On 11/13/13, 4:21 PM, JP Bader wrote: > This is something a few of us have talked about in a different forum > with freelancers, and depending on what your requirements are, there > could be a lot (or just a few) options. > > City limits is rather vague. Loop? Access to public transit? Amenities > (sink, bathroom, couch, etc.)? 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They are a listing of co-working spaces > and offices that rent out extra space. > > [1] https://www.desktimeapp.com > > Kevin > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Allan LeSage wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm in the market for a co-working space and would like a listing and/or >> recommendations for some good ones within the city limits. >> >> I just spent a day at NextSpace formerly COOP, I've also visited the >> CivicLab; both are good matches but I'm being picky. >> >> Allan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- Robert R. Meyer @BDArcholite http://bluedogarcholite.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From brianhingyenkung at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 00:47:08 2013 From: brianhingyenkung at gmail.com (Brian Kung) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:47:08 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] OT: comparison shopping for co-working spaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could also try getting an annual membership at the John Hancock Center ($89) for unlimited visits for yourself and a friend. They have a cafe up there with wifi. It's a bit of a crapshoot because I never bothered checking it out (a one time visit to check it out was something like $35), but a potential workspace hack ;) On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Robert Meyer wrote: > Try http://www.enerspacecoworking.com/ I used to work there. Nice space. > Close to Public Transit. > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Kevin Harriss wrote: > >> DeskTime[1] might be of some help. They are a listing of co-working >> spaces and offices that rent out extra space. >> >> [1] https://www.desktimeapp.com >> >> Kevin >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Allan LeSage wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm in the market for a co-working space and would like a listing and/or >>> recommendations for some good ones within the city limits. >>> >>> I just spent a day at NextSpace formerly COOP, I've also visited the >>> CivicLab; both are good matches but I'm being picky. >>> >>> Allan >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > -- > Robert R. Meyer > @BDArcholite > http://bluedogarcholite.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- Brian Kung My Bio BE A UNICORN! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.j.johnson at gmail.com Wed Nov 13 23:38:56 2013 From: thomas.j.johnson at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:38:56 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] OT: comparison shopping for co-working spaces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm at 1871 and like it a lot. 250/mo, lots of amenities and networking opportunities On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM, JP Bader wrote: > This is something a few of us have talked about in a different forum with > freelancers, and depending on what your requirements are, there could be a > lot (or just a few) options. > > City limits is rather vague. Loop? Access to public transit? Amenities > (sink, bathroom, couch, etc.)? Would you talk to (or work with) a broker? > > JP > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Allan LeSage wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm in the market for a co-working space and would like a listing and/or >> recommendations for some good ones within the city limits. >> >> I just spent a day at NextSpace formerly COOP, I've also visited the >> CivicLab; both are good matches but I'm being picky. >> >> Allan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > -- > JP Bader > Principal > Zavteq, Inc. > @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com > 608.692.2468 > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > If you got one and you want to save the day, bring it tomorrow :) > > We have a backup but it's not ideal. > > Just imagining you can save the day for the best meeting ever! Ho ho > > See ya tomorrow, Brian > > > -- > Brian Ray > @brianray > (773) 669-7717 > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- Joe J. Jasinski www.joejasinski.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianhray at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 14:59:11 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:59:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Projector screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great Joe! You are super-duper-man! Try to come early or drop it off ahead of time. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Joe Jasinski wrote: > I've got one that I can bring. It's about 6 feet wide and is motorized > (for an added wow effect). > > Joe > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > >> If you got one and you want to save the day, bring it tomorrow :) >> >> We have a backup but it's not ideal. >> >> Just imagining you can save the day for the best meeting ever! Ho ho >> >> See ya tomorrow, Brian >> >> >> -- >> Brian Ray >> @brianray >> (773) 669-7717 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > -- > Joe J. Jasinski > www.joejasinski.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- Brian Ray @brianray (773) 669-7717 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe.jasinski at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 15:53:20 2013 From: joe.jasinski at gmail.com (Joe Jasinski) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:53:20 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Projector screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you think 6:30 would be enough lead time? If not, I can try to get there earlier. This morning I got out the measuring tape: the screen has two loops to hang with that are spaced about 90-92 inches apart. The screen itself is 86 inches wide. It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy place to hang and it will likely require a plug to operate (and possibly an extension cord of there is no outlet nearby). Joe On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > Great Joe! You are super-duper-man! > > Try to come early or drop it off ahead of time. > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Joe Jasinski wrote: > >> I've got one that I can bring. It's about 6 feet wide and is motorized >> (for an added wow effect). >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray wrote: >> >>> If you got one and you want to save the day, bring it tomorrow :) >>> >>> We have a backup but it's not ideal. >>> >>> Just imagining you can save the day for the best meeting ever! Ho ho >>> >>> See ya tomorrow, Brian >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Ray >>> @brianray >>> (773) 669-7717 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Joe J. Jasinski >> www.joejasinski.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > -- > Brian Ray > @brianray > (773) 669-7717 > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- Joe J. Jasinski www.joejasinski.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianhray at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 15:58:51 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:58:51 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Projector screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes 6:30 should work fine for me. Carl? On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Joe Jasinski wrote: > Do you think 6:30 would be enough lead time? If not, I can try to get > there earlier. This morning I got out the measuring tape: the screen has > two loops to hang with that are spaced about 90-92 inches apart. The > screen itself is 86 inches wide. It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy > place to hang and it will likely require a plug to operate (and possibly an > extension cord of there is no outlet nearby). > > Joe > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > >> Great Joe! You are super-duper-man! >> >> Try to come early or drop it off ahead of time. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Joe Jasinski wrote: >> >>> I've got one that I can bring. It's about 6 feet wide and is motorized >>> (for an added wow effect). >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray wrote: >>> >>>> If you got one and you want to save the day, bring it tomorrow :) >>>> >>>> We have a backup but it's not ideal. >>>> >>>> Just imagining you can save the day for the best meeting ever! Ho ho >>>> >>>> See ya tomorrow, Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Brian Ray >>>> @brianray >>>> (773) 669-7717 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Joe J. Jasinski >>> www.joejasinski.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Ray >> @brianray >> (773) 669-7717 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > -- > Joe J. Jasinski > www.joejasinski.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- Brian Ray @brianray (773) 669-7717 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Thu Nov 14 18:07:56 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:07:56 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Projector screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy place to hang and it" This sounds like a project that could take over an hour, assuming there is even a wall to hang it on and we are allowed to drill holes in it. You should check with Wes if this is OK. I think you should rent a screen. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > Yes 6:30 should work fine for me. Carl? > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Joe Jasinski > wrote: >> >> Do you think 6:30 would be enough lead time? If not, I can try to get >> there earlier. This morning I got out the measuring tape: the screen has >> two loops to hang with that are spaced about 90-92 inches apart. The screen >> itself is 86 inches wide. It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy place >> to hang and it will likely require a plug to operate (and possibly an >> extension cord of there is no outlet nearby). >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Brian Ray wrote: >>> >>> Great Joe! You are super-duper-man! >>> >>> Try to come early or drop it off ahead of time. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Joe Jasinski >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've got one that I can bring. It's about 6 feet wide and is motorized >>>> (for an added wow effect). >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you got one and you want to save the day, bring it tomorrow :) >>>>> >>>>> We have a backup but it's not ideal. >>>>> >>>>> Just imagining you can save the day for the best meeting ever! Ho ho >>>>> >>>>> See ya tomorrow, Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Ray >>>>> @brianray >>>>> (773) 669-7717 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chicago mailing list >>>>> Chicago at python.org >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joe J. Jasinski >>>> www.joejasinski.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Ray >>> @brianray >>> (773) 669-7717 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Joe J. Jasinski >> www.joejasinski.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > -- > Brian Ray > @brianray > (773) 669-7717 > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From brianhray at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 18:13:02 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:13:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Projector screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carl and Joe and Wes: I'll connect you guys offline. If we choose to rent, ChiPy will cover. Thanks! Brian On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > "It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy place to hang and it" > > This sounds like a project that could take over an hour, assuming > there is even a wall to hang it on and we are allowed to drill holes > in it. > > You should check with Wes if this is OK. > > I think you should rent a screen. > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > Yes 6:30 should work fine for me. Carl? > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Joe Jasinski > > wrote: > >> > >> Do you think 6:30 would be enough lead time? If not, I can try to get > >> there earlier. This morning I got out the measuring tape: the screen > has > >> two loops to hang with that are spaced about 90-92 inches apart. The > screen > >> itself is 86 inches wide. It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy > place > >> to hang and it will likely require a plug to operate (and possibly an > >> extension cord of there is no outlet nearby). > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > >>> > >>> Great Joe! You are super-duper-man! > >>> > >>> Try to come early or drop it off ahead of time. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Joe Jasinski > > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I've got one that I can bring. It's about 6 feet wide and is > motorized > >>>> (for an added wow effect). > >>>> > >>>> Joe > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> If you got one and you want to save the day, bring it tomorrow :) > >>>>> > >>>>> We have a backup but it's not ideal. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just imagining you can save the day for the best meeting ever! Ho ho > >>>>> > >>>>> See ya tomorrow, Brian > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Brian Ray > >>>>> @brianray > >>>>> (773) 669-7717 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Chicago mailing list > >>>>> Chicago at python.org > >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Joe J. Jasinski > >>>> www.joejasinski.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Chicago mailing list > >>>> Chicago at python.org > >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Brian Ray > >>> @brianray > >>> (773) 669-7717 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chicago mailing list > >>> Chicago at python.org > >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Joe J. 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URL: From jp at zavteq.com Thu Nov 14 18:15:09 2013 From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:15:09 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Projector screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh c'mon, let's just have the tallest people (minimum of 6') stand up front and hold the screen. Bonus points if they can watch the presentation as well. Double bonus points for drinking a beer while doing so. Triple bonus points if they are the presenter :) On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > "It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy place to hang and it" > > This sounds like a project that could take over an hour, assuming > there is even a wall to hang it on and we are allowed to drill holes > in it. > > You should check with Wes if this is OK. > > I think you should rent a screen. > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > > Yes 6:30 should work fine for me. Carl? > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Joe Jasinski > > wrote: > >> > >> Do you think 6:30 would be enough lead time? If not, I can try to get > >> there earlier. This morning I got out the measuring tape: the screen > has > >> two loops to hang with that are spaced about 90-92 inches apart. The > screen > >> itself is 86 inches wide. It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy > place > >> to hang and it will likely require a plug to operate (and possibly an > >> extension cord of there is no outlet nearby). > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > >>> > >>> Great Joe! You are super-duper-man! > >>> > >>> Try to come early or drop it off ahead of time. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Joe Jasinski > > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I've got one that I can bring. It's about 6 feet wide and is > motorized > >>>> (for an added wow effect). > >>>> > >>>> Joe > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> If you got one and you want to save the day, bring it tomorrow :) > >>>>> > >>>>> We have a backup but it's not ideal. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just imagining you can save the day for the best meeting ever! Ho ho > >>>>> > >>>>> See ya tomorrow, Brian > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Brian Ray > >>>>> @brianray > >>>>> (773) 669-7717 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Chicago mailing list > >>>>> Chicago at python.org > >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Joe J. Jasinski > >>>> www.joejasinski.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Chicago mailing list > >>>> Chicago at python.org > >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Brian Ray > >>> @brianray > >>> (773) 669-7717 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chicago mailing list > >>> Chicago at python.org > >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Joe J. Jasinski > >> www.joejasinski.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Ray > > @brianray > > (773) 669-7717 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- JP Bader Principal Zavteq, Inc. @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com 608.692.2468 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randy7771026 at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 18:19:38 2013 From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:19:38 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Projector screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I vote for short people with flag poles or transom openers. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:15 AM, JP Bader wrote: > Oh c'mon, let's just have the tallest people (minimum of 6') stand up > front and hold the screen. Bonus points if they can watch the presentation > as well. Double bonus points for drinking a beer while doing so. Triple > bonus points if they are the presenter :) > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> "It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy place to hang and it" >> >> This sounds like a project that could take over an hour, assuming >> there is even a wall to hang it on and we are allowed to drill holes >> in it. >> >> You should check with Wes if this is OK. >> >> I think you should rent a screen. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Brian Ray wrote: >> > Yes 6:30 should work fine for me. Carl? >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Joe Jasinski >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Do you think 6:30 would be enough lead time? If not, I can try to get >> >> there earlier. This morning I got out the measuring tape: the screen >> has >> >> two loops to hang with that are spaced about 90-92 inches apart. The >> screen >> >> itself is 86 inches wide. It's a bit heavy so will require a sturdy >> place >> >> to hang and it will likely require a plug to operate (and possibly an >> >> extension cord of there is no outlet nearby). >> >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Brian Ray >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Great Joe! You are super-duper-man! >> >>> >> >>> Try to come early or drop it off ahead of time. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Joe Jasinski < >> joe.jasinski at gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I've got one that I can bring. It's about 6 feet wide and is >> motorized >> >>>> (for an added wow effect). >> >>>> >> >>>> Joe >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If you got one and you want to save the day, bring it tomorrow :) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> We have a backup but it's not ideal. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Just imagining you can save the day for the best meeting ever! Ho ho >> >>>>> >> >>>>> See ya tomorrow, Brian >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Brian Ray >> >>>>> @brianray >> >>>>> (773) 669-7717 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Chicago mailing list >> >>>>> Chicago at python.org >> >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Joe J. Jasinski >> >>>> www.joejasinski.com >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Chicago mailing list >> >>>> Chicago at python.org >> >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Brian Ray >> >>> @brianray >> >>> (773) 669-7717 >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Chicago mailing list >> >>> Chicago at python.org >> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Joe J. Jasinski >> >> www.joejasinski.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chicago mailing list >> >> Chicago at python.org >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Brian Ray >> > @brianray >> > (773) 669-7717 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > -- > JP Bader > Principal > Zavteq, Inc. > @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com > 608.692.2468 > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From listserves at skilfullycurled.org Fri Nov 15 23:10:45 2013 From: listserves at skilfullycurled.org (Benj. N. Sugar) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:10:45 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] CivicLab and Between the Bars Follow Up Message-ID: <1B5F131E-D6D1-43D0-83EB-F57A93C7C88A@skilfullycurled.org> Hi Everyone, First, thank you so much to all of you for your warm reception to my presentation and your fine inquiries. I just wanted to follow up with some additional links: 1) For your perusal, or to entice you to join our coding team of one I present the Github repositiory for BtB: https://github.com/yourcelf/btb 2) Btb itself. Leave a comment, we'll pass it on! : https://www.betweenthebars.org 3) CivicLab - If you're interested teaching any workshops or in need of co-working space for people who give a damn, please contact me at benjamin [at] civiclab [dot] us (PS: does using [at] and [dot] really prevent spam? anyone know? anyway...) 4) A class that I am teaching that you might enjoy: http://dfexchi.eventbrite.com/?aff=lists Again, many thanks, and I hope to see you at another meet up! Benjamin From szybalski at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 16:27:16 2013 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:27:16 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Email Library? Message-ID: Hello, In the past I've used "turbomail", but it looks like last version was from 2009. Are there any other libraries that you use to send emails? either stand alone, or part of a framework like django, or pyramid? I'm sure turbomail is still working, I just wanted to see if there is a refreshment needed? 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Skip From yarkot1 at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 18:33:03 2013 From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:33:03 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Email Library? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yeah, except the "site coming soon" or "there isn't a github page here" results for following the links to the "www.marrowproject.org" and "www.marrowproject.org/mailer", respectively. Looking at other repos in the marrow area, the "web core" page has links to lots of empty, not been edited in a year pages (i.e. wiki: tutorials, etc.)... be afraid... On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > In the past I've used "turbomail", but it looks like last version was > from > > 2009. > > "Not changed" doesn't necessarily mean "abandoned". Mail protocols > haven't changed a bunch. It's quite possible it's just stable and has > no outstanding bugs that need fixing. If the lack of updates worries > you, I would contact the author and ask about its status. > > Also, it appears the name has changed to "marrow.mailer". Take a look > at the Github project: > > https://github.com/marrow/marrow.mailer > > Looks like the source has been modified within the past year or two. > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 18:41:54 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:41:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Email Library? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This goes in to the idea for a lightning talk I had. How to find packages and decide if you should depend on them. Anyway, pydanny and audryr have a helpful site for this. (this is one reason why you may want to gittip.com them) https://www.djangopackages.com/ https://www.djangopackages.com/grids/g/email/ I usually look there, also do some searching in general, look to see how active their repo is, whether they have issues, stale pull requests, etc. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Yarko Tymciurak wrote: > yeah, except the "site coming soon" or "there isn't a github page here" > results for following the links to > the "www.marrowproject.org" and "www.marrowproject.org/mailer", > respectively. > > Looking at other repos in the marrow area, the "web core" page has links > to lots of empty, not been edited in a year pages (i.e. wiki: tutorials, > etc.)... > > be afraid... > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > >> > In the past I've used "turbomail", but it looks like last version was >> from >> > 2009. >> >> "Not changed" doesn't necessarily mean "abandoned". Mail protocols >> haven't changed a bunch. It's quite possible it's just stable and has >> no outstanding bugs that need fixing. If the lack of updates worries >> you, I would contact the author and ask about its status. >> >> Also, it appears the name has changed to "marrow.mailer". Take a look >> at the Github project: >> >> https://github.com/marrow/marrow.mailer >> >> Looks like the source has been modified within the past year or two. >> >> Skip >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at python.org Mon Nov 18 19:40:53 2013 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:40:53 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Email Library? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > Hello, > In the past I've used "turbomail", but it looks like last version was from > 2009. > > Are there any other libraries that you use to send emails? > either stand alone, or part of a framework like django, or pyramid? I just use http://docs.python.org/3/library/email.html From brianhray at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 19:44:38 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:44:38 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video Message-ID: What are our thoughts on abandoning streaming of live vide? If we can't do it reliably we should not offer at all. Also, when videos are posted can someone send an email to this list? We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues can be disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate. I am more than happy to hear alternate suggestions. Thoughts? -- Brian Ray @brianray (773) 669-7717 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emperorcezar at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 19:46:49 2013 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Cezar Jenkins) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:46:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As someone who doesn?t get much of a chance to attend the meetings in person. I like them. That said, if they aren?t going to be consistent (which is cool with me), then we should just email out the link instead of having it on the site. --? Cezar Jenkins @emperorcezar On November 18, 2013 at 12:44:57 PM, Brian Ray (brianhray at gmail.com) wrote: What are our thoughts on abandoning streaming of live vide? If we can't do it reliably we should not offer at all. Also, when videos are posted can someone send an email to this list? We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues can be disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate.? I am more than happy to hear alternate suggestions. Thoughts? -- Brian Ray? @brianray (773) 669-7717 _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yarkot1 at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 19:52:32 2013 From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:52:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm trying to remember exactly how we did it, but I think a couple of years back we did a "chipy north" from the then new ZoroTools location, and experimented with screen sharing the presenter on google plus (with one moderator of typed in interaction / comments - me). I _think_ that worked pretty well, we had participants from out of state trying it. Not sure what the streaming process is now (I haven't participated remote), but those who were online, when there was a moderator seemed to appreciate it. And I think that "channel" for doing it has gotten better in the intervening years. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Cezar Jenkins wrote: > As someone who doesn?t get much of a chance to attend the meetings in > person. I like them. > > That said, if they aren?t going to be consistent (which is cool with me), > then we should just email out the link instead of having it on the site. > > > -- > Cezar Jenkins > @emperorcezar > > On November 18, 2013 at 12:44:57 PM, Brian Ray (brianhray at gmail.com) > wrote: > > What are our thoughts on abandoning streaming of live vide? If we can't > do it reliably we should not offer at all. Also, when videos are posted can > someone send an email to this list? > > We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues can > be disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate. > > I am more than happy to hear alternate suggestions. Thoughts? > > -- > Brian Ray > @brianray > (773) 669-7717 > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 20:08:27 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:08:27 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are no technical "issues" only social ones. Streaming can work fine if there is a request for it in advance so that Carl can arrange for it. If people want streaming for chipy (or any meeting), they need to tell Carl in advance. For the past few months, no one has told Carl they want streaming except for me, when I mentioned that someone on meetup asked for it. If no one is interested in something that Carl does, it is easier for him to forgo it and spend time on other parts of the meeting. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > What are our thoughts on abandoning streaming of live vide? If we can't do > it reliably we should not offer at all. Also, when videos are posted can > someone send an email to this list? > > We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues can > be disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate. > > I am more than happy to hear alternate suggestions. Thoughts? > > -- > Brian Ray > @brianray > (773) 669-7717 > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emperorcezar at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 20:10:15 2013 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Cezar Jenkins) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:10:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it?s a pain for Carl, I say don?t worry about it. --? Cezar Jenkins @emperorcezar On November 18, 2013 at 1:09:07 PM, sheila miguez (shekay at pobox.com) wrote: There are no technical "issues" only social ones. Streaming can work fine if there is a request for it in advance so that Carl can arrange for it. If people want streaming for chipy (or any meeting), they need to tell Carl in advance. For the past few months, no one has told Carl they want streaming except for me, when I mentioned that someone on meetup asked for it. If no one is interested in something that Carl does, it is easier for him to forgo it and spend time on other parts of the meeting. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Brian Ray wrote: What are our thoughts on abandoning streaming of live vide? If we can't do it reliably we should not offer at all. Also, when videos are posted can someone send an email to this list? We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues can be disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate.? I am more than happy to hear alternate suggestions. Thoughts? -- Brian Ray? @brianray (773) 669-7717 _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- sheila _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 20:11:10 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:11:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] video "problems" Message-ID: At the last meeting Carl was setting up at the last minute because no one met him at the loading doc to help carry the equipment up the stairs. We had considerably more equipment than normal due to the space not having PA and other amenities. We ended up circling the block a few times to get a parking spot near hte front door, only to get a parking ticket after the meeting. I'm not happy about this, and I don't even have to carry all the stuff around. How can we make this work better? -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 20:12:03 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:12:03 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not a pain (as far as I know, Carl?), he just needs advance notice that someone wants to watch. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Cezar Jenkins wrote: > If it?s a pain for Carl, I say don?t worry about it. > > -- > Cezar Jenkins > @emperorcezar > > On November 18, 2013 at 1:09:07 PM, sheila miguez (shekay at pobox.com) > wrote: > > > > There are no technical "issues" only social ones. Streaming can work fine > if there is a request for it in advance so that Carl can arrange for it. > > If people want streaming for chipy (or any meeting), they need to tell > Carl in advance. For the past few months, no one has told Carl they want > streaming except for me, when I mentioned that someone on meetup asked for > it. > > If no one is interested in something that Carl does, it is easier for him > to forgo it and spend time on other parts of the meeting. > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > >> What are our thoughts on abandoning streaming of live vide? If we can't >> do it reliably we should not offer at all. Also, when videos are posted can >> someone send an email to this list? >> >> We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues can >> be disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate. >> >> I am more than happy to hear alternate suggestions. Thoughts? >> >> -- >> Brian Ray >> @brianray >> (773) 669-7717 <%28773%29%20669-7717> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 18 20:14:50 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:14:50 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Manage exceptions by changing the text on the chipy page so no one is disappointed. We can stream more meetings if there is more prep work weeks and days before the meeting; less when I show up. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Cezar Jenkins wrote: > As someone who doesn?t get much of a chance to attend the meetings in > person. I like them. > > That said, if they aren?t going to be consistent (which is cool with me), > then we should just email out the link instead of having it on the site. > > > -- > Cezar Jenkins > @emperorcezar > > On November 18, 2013 at 12:44:57 PM, Brian Ray (brianhray at gmail.com) wrote: > > What are our thoughts on abandoning streaming of live vide? If we can't do > it reliably we should not offer at all. Also, when videos are posted can > someone send an email to this list? > > We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues can be > disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate. > > I am more than happy to hear alternate suggestions. Thoughts? > > -- > Brian Ray > @brianray > (773) 669-7717 > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From emperorcezar at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 20:16:47 2013 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Cezar Jenkins) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:16:47 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] video "problems" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://spothero.com ;) --? Cezar Jenkins @emperorcezar On November 18, 2013 at 1:11:41 PM, sheila miguez (shekay at pobox.com) wrote: At the last meeting Carl was setting up at the last minute because no one met him at the loading doc to help carry the equipment up the stairs. We had considerably more equipment than normal due to the space not having PA and other amenities. We ended up circling the block a few times to get a parking spot near hte front door, only to get a parking ticket after the meeting. I'm not happy about this, and I don't even have to carry all the stuff around. How can we make this work better? -- sheila _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 18 20:20:19 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:20:19 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] venue setup Message-ID: speaking of prep.. http://www.chipy.org/pages/venue/requirements/ This needs to hit the venue host as soon as they say "I have space." Getting answers is painful and I avoid pushing because of the constant disappointment so I hope if I wait a day something good will happen. It would be great if someone would be in charge of bugging whoever needs to be bugged every day until there is a response to each item. It doesn't have to be the same person, it just needs to be someone who cares. It might help if it was a web form, like django-survey? it needs to be something a person can come back to later and edit similar to the way we can edit our RSVP. "required field" won't work because I get answers like "I don't know what a vga cable is." -- Carl K From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 18 20:22:12 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:22:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] video "problems" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You just licked the cookie. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Cezar Jenkins wrote: > http://spothero.com > > ;) > > > -- > Cezar Jenkins > @emperorcezar > > On November 18, 2013 at 1:11:41 PM, sheila miguez (shekay at pobox.com) wrote: > > At the last meeting Carl was setting up at the last minute because no one > met him at the loading doc to help carry the equipment up the stairs. We had > considerably more equipment than normal due to the space not having PA and > other amenities. > > We ended up circling the block a few times to get a parking spot near hte > front door, only to get a parking ticket after the meeting. > > I'm not happy about this, and I don't even have to carry all the stuff > around. How can we make this work better? > > > > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From brianhray at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 20:27:11 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:27:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] venue setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is my fault... I will try to hit them up sooner. I like the idea of a web form, do you care to created this? On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > speaking of prep.. > > http://www.chipy.org/pages/venue/requirements/ > > This needs to hit the venue host as soon as they say "I have space." > > Getting answers is painful and I avoid pushing because of the constant > disappointment so I hope if I wait a day something good will happen. > > It would be great if someone would be in charge of bugging whoever > needs to be bugged every day until there is a response to each item. > It doesn't have to be the same person, it just needs to be someone who > cares. > > It might help if it was a web form, like django-survey? it needs to > be something a person can come back to later and edit similar to the > way we can edit our RSVP. "required field" won't work because I get > answers like "I don't know what a vga cable is." > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Brian Ray @brianray (773) 669-7717 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 20:28:00 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:28:00 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] video "problems" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wouldn't solve the loading doc problem. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Cezar Jenkins wrote: > http://spothero.com > > ;) > > > -- > Cezar Jenkins > @emperorcezar > > On November 18, 2013 at 1:11:41 PM, sheila miguez (shekay at pobox.com) > wrote: > > At the last meeting Carl was setting up at the last minute because no > one met him at the loading doc to help carry the equipment up the stairs. > We had considerably more equipment than normal due to the space not having > PA and other amenities. > > We ended up circling the block a few times to get a parking spot near hte > front door, only to get a parking ticket after the meeting. > > I'm not happy about this, and I don't even have to carry all the stuff > around. How can we make this work better? > > > > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jp at zavteq.com Mon Nov 18 20:21:03 2013 From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:21:03 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] video "problems" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Only use venues that have a parking lot? Or ask for volunteers to meet up early to help carry equipment? I'm happy to do some lugging to help Carl out! I also got a ticket, and I parked in a valid spot! Is there an app to challenge city parking tickets? On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Cezar Jenkins wrote: > http://spothero.com > > ;) > > > -- > Cezar Jenkins > @emperorcezar > > On November 18, 2013 at 1:11:41 PM, sheila miguez (shekay at pobox.com) > wrote: > > At the last meeting Carl was setting up at the last minute because no > one met him at the loading doc to help carry the equipment up the stairs. > We had considerably more equipment than normal due to the space not having > PA and other amenities. > > We ended up circling the block a few times to get a parking spot near hte > front door, only to get a parking ticket after the meeting. > > I'm not happy about this, and I don't even have to carry all the stuff > around. How can we make this work better? > > > > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- JP Bader Principal Zavteq, Inc. @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com 608.692.2468 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 20:33:19 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:33:19 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] venue setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Delegate to more volunteers when you aren't able to get the hosts to reply to rqeuests for info. I guess first you'd need to ask for volunteers. It would be better if someone else could write the app. We've been busy with a lot of stuff, including archiving blip.tv videos before they deleted them due to terms of service not to mention a gazillion other things. I have a feature request. Save the replies, have an index view where organizers can sort by awesomeness so we know who to accept as hosts in the future. I have another feature requests, hosts have to fill out the form and we treat them like talk proposals. They fill out the form and everyone can see it and do -1, 0, +1. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > That is my fault... I will try to hit them up sooner. > > I like the idea of a web form, do you care to created this? > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> speaking of prep.. >> >> http://www.chipy.org/pages/venue/requirements/ >> >> This needs to hit the venue host as soon as they say "I have space." >> >> Getting answers is painful and I avoid pushing because of the constant >> disappointment so I hope if I wait a day something good will happen. >> >> It would be great if someone would be in charge of bugging whoever >> needs to be bugged every day until there is a response to each item. >> It doesn't have to be the same person, it just needs to be someone who >> cares. >> >> It might help if it was a web form, like django-survey? it needs to >> be something a person can come back to later and edit similar to the >> way we can edit our RSVP. "required field" won't work because I get >> answers like "I don't know what a vga cable is." >> >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > -- > Brian Ray > @brianray > (773) 669-7717 > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at python.org Mon Nov 18 20:38:33 2013 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:38:33 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > What are our thoughts on abandoning streaming of live vide? If we can't do > it reliably we should not offer at all. Also, when videos are posted can > someone send an email to this list? > > We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues can be > disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate. Sure, it's probably disappointing, but you're getting a free stream of the meeting to your house, put on by volunteers. Dropping it entirely seems like the last solution to the problem. Would funding help? Would technology contributions help? From brian at python.org Mon Nov 18 20:43:17 2013 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:43:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] video "problems" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM, JP Bader wrote: > Only use venues that have a parking lot? Or ask for volunteers to meet up > early to help carry equipment? I'm happy to do some lugging to help Carl > out! > > I also got a ticket, and I parked in a valid spot! Is there an app to > challenge city parking tickets? There should be, but I think you can currently only contest a ticket by mail. I fought a street sweeping ticket when they ticketed an entire block of cars on the wrong day, but I won because I took a picture of my car, with the ticket on it, with the sign in the background showing that sweeping was actually the following week. If you can show a picture of a sign on that block that supports your case, a picture of it should help. From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 22:00:13 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:00:13 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > > > We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues > can be > > disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate. > > Sure, it's probably disappointing, but you're getting a free stream of > the meeting to your house, put on by volunteers. Dropping it entirely > seems like the last solution to the problem. Would funding help? Would > technology contributions help? > Rackspace has given us (volunteers who run and help with pyvideo. basically Will, Carl and me right now) an account, and I think streaming python user groups could fall in the category of things that the account can be used for (I could ask). Right now we run part of this on ec2 and I think funds have only seriously been a problem when we forgot to turn something off and incurred $500. Follow up with Carl, Tim, Roman (anyone else?) for what technology contributions would be helpful. I'm ignorant for what they'd really want. I know I think it would be a handy idea if someone wrote some operational stuff to help. It would be nice to be able to run a script to deploy some streaming stuff and have it ready to go. -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 22:06:29 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:06:29 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > Also, when videos are posted can someone send an email to this list? The nextdayvideo workflow here is to send out an email to the speaker (and any other contact email listed for the talk) to ask them to review their talk and give permission for it to go live. The email asks them to publicize their talk once it goes live if they would like to do so. Carl also sends out a tweet on @nextdayvideo when the go-live script is run. Right now Benjamin's talk and my talk are up, and Carl is waiting on some help editing the information from the other talks. https://twitter.com/nextdayvideo/status/402486142647283712 https://twitter.com/nextdayvideo/status/402477159198908416 If anyone wants to make technological contributions, setting up something like symposion for handling talk proposals and allowing speakers to update their information would be useful and help speed up posts for when speakers need to update their talk info. Another technical contribution could be to set up a service that posts things tagged with #chipy on @nextdayvideo's account so that you get the automated notices here. (Not sure you want to set that up though, since a bug could flood the mailing list). -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Right now we run part of this on ec2 and I think funds have > only seriously been a problem when we forgot to turn something off and > incurred $500. > > Follow up with Carl, Tim, Roman (anyone else?) for what technology > contributions would be helpful. I'm ignorant for what they'd really want. I > know I think it would be a handy idea if someone wrote some operational > stuff to help. It would be nice to be able to run a script to deploy some > streaming stuff and have it ready to go. One thing I can certainly help with is code, especially as it pertains to Rackspace things. I wasn't around when it happened, but I saw Carl asking some pyrax questions in #rackspace. My job is helping our customers, so feel free to contact me with any specifics and I'll help where I can. From carl at personnelware.com Mon Nov 18 23:43:14 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:43:14 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] video "problems" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM, JP Bader wrote: > Only use venues that have a parking lot? Or ask for volunteers to meet up > early to help carry equipment? I'm happy to do some lugging to help Carl > out! I appreciate the offer, but what ends up happening is we don't have a clear plan on where to meet, and then I spend 10-20 min waiting for people. If the weather is bad (like any rain) then we have a problem because not all of my stuff is in weather prof boxes. What I really need is to use the loading doc, which includes the host knowing how to use it. "We have one, you can use it" and then "come around to the font door, I don't know how to get to the doc!" (or whatever the problem was) is worse - that added 15 min, and I didn't have any time to spare. -- Carl K From carl at personnelware.com Tue Nov 19 01:39:36 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:39:36 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got it working, but could use a code review of my uploader: https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/dj/scripts/rax_uploader.py This line bothers me: pyrax.set_setting("identity_type", "rackspace") maybe that should be right under the import pyrax? if you want to write a line of code ... I generally leave this code alone until I get an error, then I try to figure out what I need to debug it but if you can give me a head start, that may come in handy some day ;) except Exception as e: print e # self.ret_text = "rax error: %s" % ( e.body ) Does rackspace have something setup for testing so that someone can run this code with minimal server side setup? currently it requires someone (Sheila) getting the rackspace account setup and creating a user account for me, I log in and create a container for testing called testing, get my api keys, copy/paste them into the code, and now I can run it. This is fine for production, but if I am handing it off to someone to test, they will get annoyed and the test will likely just show that they screwed up the server setup and that is why they gave up trying to help ;/ On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM, sheila miguez wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: >>> >>> >>> > We love video, but I got some concerns that the live streaming issues >>> > can be >>> > disappointing if people are actually wanting to participate. >>> >>> Sure, it's probably disappointing, but you're getting a free stream of >>> the meeting to your house, put on by volunteers. Dropping it entirely >>> seems like the last solution to the problem. Would funding help? Would >>> technology contributions help? >> >> >> Rackspace has given us (volunteers who run and help with pyvideo. basically >> Will, Carl and me right now) an account, and I think streaming python user >> groups could fall in the category of things that the account can be used for >> (I could ask). Right now we run part of this on ec2 and I think funds have >> only seriously been a problem when we forgot to turn something off and >> incurred $500. >> >> Follow up with Carl, Tim, Roman (anyone else?) for what technology >> contributions would be helpful. I'm ignorant for what they'd really want. I >> know I think it would be a handy idea if someone wrote some operational >> stuff to help. It would be nice to be able to run a script to deploy some >> streaming stuff and have it ready to go. > > One thing I can certainly help with is code, especially as it pertains > to Rackspace things. I wasn't around when it happened, but I saw Carl > asking some pyrax questions in #rackspace. My job is helping our > customers, so feel free to contact me with any specifics and I'll help > where I can. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Carl K From brian at python.org Tue Nov 19 03:13:41 2013 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:13:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > I got it working, but could use a code review of my uploader: > > https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/dj/scripts/rax_uploader.py > > This line bothers me: > pyrax.set_setting("identity_type", "rackspace") > > maybe that should be right under the import pyrax? Yeah, any set_setting stuff typically goes right under the import pyrax. > if you want to write a line of code ... > I generally leave this code alone until I get an error, then I try to > figure out what I need to debug it > but if you can give me a head start, that may come in handy some day ;) > > except Exception as e: > > print e > # self.ret_text = "rax error: %s" % ( e.body ) > > > Does rackspace have something setup for testing so that someone can > run this code with minimal server side setup? currently it requires > someone (Sheila) getting the rackspace account setup and creating a > user account for me, I log in and create a container for testing > called testing, get my api keys, copy/paste them into the code, and > now I can run it. This is fine for production, but if I am handing > it off to someone to test, they will get annoyed and the test will > likely just show that they screwed up the server setup and that is why > they gave up trying to help ;/ There's no server aspect to Cloud Files, as it's just blob storage, so I guess I'd need the bigger picture to understand the full issue you're having. What kind of testing are you doing? If you're doing integration testing with a live account, you're going to have to pass off creds to anyone who's helping out - nothing can get around that. At the very least, unit tests that mock out methods like get_container and upload_file would probably be helpful. From carl at personnelware.com Tue Nov 19 04:55:32 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:55:32 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> I got it working, but could use a code review of my uploader: >> >> https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/dj/scripts/rax_uploader.py >> >> This line bothers me: >> pyrax.set_setting("identity_type", "rackspace") >> >> maybe that should be right under the import pyrax? > > Yeah, any set_setting stuff typically goes right under the import pyrax. yay, one less thing to wonder about. > >> if you want to write a line of code ... >> I generally leave this code alone until I get an error, then I try to >> figure out what I need to debug it >> but if you can give me a head start, that may come in handy some day ;) >> >> except Exception as e: >> >> print e >> # self.ret_text = "rax error: %s" % ( e.body ) >> >> >> Does rackspace have something setup for testing so that someone can >> run this code with minimal server side setup? currently it requires >> someone (Sheila) getting the rackspace account setup and creating a >> user account for me, I log in and create a container for testing >> called testing, get my api keys, copy/paste them into the code, and >> now I can run it. This is fine for production, but if I am handing >> it off to someone to test, they will get annoyed and the test will >> likely just show that they screwed up the server setup and that is why >> they gave up trying to help ;/ > > There's no server aspect to Cloud Files, as it's just blob storage, so > I guess I'd need the bigger picture to understand the full issue > you're having. ok, Cloud Files setup.. all those steps I mentioned. > > What kind of testing are you doing? Pretty much just running rax_uploader.py and seeing if it uploads a file. At this point I am looking for low hanging fruit - if you know of easy things I can do, I'll do it, but anything that is 'work' goes to the bottom of my list. That said... > If you're doing integration > testing with a live account, you're going to have to pass off creds to > anyone who's helping out - nothing can get around that. I was hoping there was some sort of account with some restrictions that only make it useful for testing. like archive.org does this: headers['x-archive-meta-collection'] = 'test_collection' which I think causes the item to get deleted in 30 days (but now I can't find docs to support this..) stuff I have found that I have not tried to use: $ curl s3.us.archive.org -v -H x-archive-simulate-error:SlowDown To see a list of errors s3 can simulate, you can do: $ curl s3.us.archive.org -v -H x-archive-simulate-error:help docs: http://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt and for youtube: https://developers.google.com/youtube/2.0/developers_guide_protocol_testing "YouTube API staging server, that YouTube provides to help you implement the API. " > At the very > least, unit tests that mock out methods like get_container and > upload_file would probably be helpful. I am more looking for something to help me debug stuff like this: https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/issues/35 internet archive - 403 Forbidden - lack sufficient privilages This is one that can only be debugged using my credentials, so pfft. Thanks for the code review - I just wrote it last night or so, then used it for chipy vids. -- Carl K From randy7771026 at gmail.com Tue Nov 19 13:55:47 2013 From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:55:47 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Best Ever Meeting and Swartz Documentation Message-ID: We have had a lot of wonderful meetings in the 13 months I have been coming and I am sure many more before I showed up. This one though with the venue snafos aside was still THE BEST for me. So many wonderful talks. I am grateful for all the work Carl and Sheila put in for video documentation of what we all do. I know I missed Sheila's talk but was able to watch it this morning. I love here characterization of the Group 2 project as Universal Access to Physical Places. I added though for Access to Fiscal Equality. This makes the acronym UAPPAFE, the best acronym ever. Now to the documentation on GitHub. I am reading that we should convert our pad to a jotit and then one of us should put in a pull request to add the jotit link. Am I correct in this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wirth.jason at gmail.com Tue Nov 19 13:55:21 2013 From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:55:21 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] video "problems" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also got a ticket, which I'm going to contest. I tried to pay but the meter said it wasn't taking payments. Here's a photo. -- Jason Wirth 213.675.5294 wirth.jason at gmail.com On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM, JP Bader wrote: > > Only use venues that have a parking lot? Or ask for volunteers to meet up > > early to help carry equipment? I'm happy to do some lugging to help Carl > > out! > > I appreciate the offer, but what ends up happening is we don't have a > clear plan on where to meet, and then I spend 10-20 min waiting for > people. > > If the weather is bad (like any rain) then we have a problem because > not all of my stuff is in weather prof boxes. > > What I really need is to use the loading doc, which includes the host > knowing how to use it. "We have one, you can use it" and then "come > around to the font door, I don't know how to get to the doc!" (or > whatever the problem was) is worse - that added 15 min, and I didn't > have any time to spare. > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I added an informal recap to http://atrium.aaronswartzhackathon.org/comment/9#comment-9 with a link to our textb pad. When they have a template, I will copy it to the top so that people can provide their information. sorry for the immediately stale information! -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Wed Nov 20 17:46:13 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:46:13 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie Message-ID: Okay, let's say I have a site in production that is somewhat organized according to this excellent blog post, < http://michal.karzynski.pl/blog/2013/06/09/django-nginx-gunicorn-virtualenv-supervisor/ >. For every new release, I could write something that fetches a tarball from github for the release, makes a new virtualenv specific to that release, and untars the repo following the convention in that blog post. I would keep some number of old virtualenvs around for a while. That's my newbie idea, and I'd like to know what best practices are for this kind of stuff. More newbie questions: worse practices * how bad is it that I pip install things that require compiling on my production box (psycopg2 for example)? * how bad is it to install git on my production box? Eventually I think I'll set up my own pypi. I think I could also try and figure out how to make packages for things like psycopg2 so I don't need to compile them. (assuming there is some reason I wouldn't want to use a distro's package? is there?) -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The second set are not deal-breakers but are important to know before the event so you can prepare.* *Before Choosing A Location* - Will the room fit the number of attendees + staff who may attend? (For our events, that means it needs to fit at least 30 people.) - Will the room be accessible during the event? Do you need identification to enter the building? - Is there easily accessible wifi for both attendees and staff? - Is there equipment for projecting during presentations and demos? - Is food allowed, either in the room or nearby? - Is the room free to use, or within your budget? *Before the Event* - What is the power situation like? Should we bring power strips? - Do we need adapters to use the projector? - How do you access the wifi? - What network restrictions seem to be in place? (Check for both attendees and staff, if they have have separate networks, such as EDU and EDU-Guest.) - Does SSH work? - Does IRC work? - Does doing a git clone over the git:// protocol work? - Do websites over http:// work? - Do webites over https:// work? - What kind of bandwidth do the networks seem to give? (A good way to find out is to just use a normal speed testing site like http://www.speedtest.net/ .) - Where will we set up food? - Where are nearby bathrooms and water fountains, if they exist? - What restrictions on movement around the area will be in place? (e.g., will people have to be let in a locked door by a student at some point?) - What signs will need to be placed to direct students through the building and to the room? -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check out the python buildpack from Heroku?https://github.com/heroku/heroku-buildpack-python More newbie questions: worse practices * how bad is it that I pip install things that require compiling on my production box (psycopg2 for example)? Not bad, everyone does it. * how bad is it to install git on my production box? Unless you have a large infrastructure, most of the time your deploy script will run on the box and fetch using git. Eventually I think I'll set up my own pypi. I think I could also try and figure out how to make packages for things like psycopg2 so I don't need to compile them. (assuming there is some reason I wouldn't want to use a distro's package? is there?) Python Wheel packages can do this, but they are reasonably new and I?ve never used them for anything serious. -- sheila _______________________________________________? Chicago mailing list? 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Er, to clarify: don't use distro packages. From andymboyle at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 18:08:53 2013 From: andymboyle at gmail.com (Andy Boyle) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:08:53 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sheila, have you ever used Fabric? At the Chicago Tribune, we have automated deployment tools set up using Fabric, which automatically sshes onto our staging/production environments, activates the virtual environments, then does a git fetch to bring in the latest changes then restarts the app and reloads nginx. It makes it real simple to make sure our software is the same among our local, staging and production environments. We also have a bootstrap command to set up new projects on our existing staging/production rigs. It automatically creates the database(s), sets up the virtual environments, pip installs everything in our requirements.txt, etc. We try to make projects that don't require us needing to ssh into servers, but instead we just write Fabric commands that do that for us, which is especially helpful if you have a project running across multiple AWS EC2 instances behind a load balancer or something. As for installing git on your production environment, that's what we use to deploy our projects, so I'm not sure why it'd necessarily be a bad thing to have. I'd love to hear someone's arguments to the contrary. Good luck! -Andy *Andy Boyle | Chicago Tribune* News Applications Developer @andymboyle | andymboyle.com On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > Okay, let's say I have a site in production that is somewhat organized > according to this excellent blog post, < > http://michal.karzynski.pl/blog/2013/06/09/django-nginx-gunicorn-virtualenv-supervisor/ > >. > > For every new release, I could write something that fetches a tarball from > github for the release, makes a new virtualenv specific to that release, > and untars the repo following the convention in that blog post. I would > keep some number of old virtualenvs around for a while. That's my newbie > idea, and I'd like to know what best practices are for this kind of stuff. > > More newbie questions: > > worse practices > * how bad is it that I pip install things that require compiling on my > production box (psycopg2 for example)? > * how bad is it to install git on my production box? > > Eventually I think I'll set up my own pypi. I think I could also try and > figure out how to make packages for things like psycopg2 so I don't need to > compile them. (assuming there is some reason I wouldn't want to use a > distro's package? is there?) > > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've used it to package up entire venvs using the "dir" option, but you can also use python packages as a source: https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm/wiki/ConvertingPython On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Cezar Jenkins wrote: > On November 20, 2013 at 10:46:50 AM, sheila miguez (shekay at pobox.com) > wrote: > > Okay, let's say I have a site in production that is somewhat organized > according to this excellent blog post, < > http://michal.karzynski.pl/blog/2013/06/09/django-nginx-gunicorn-virtualenv-supervisor/ > >. > > For every new release, I could write something that fetches a tarball from > github for the release, makes a new virtualenv specific to that release, > and untars the repo following the convention in that blog post. I would > keep some number of old virtualenvs around for a while. That's my newbie > idea, and I'd like to know what best practices are for this kind of stuff. > > This is starting to be a good practice. It?s more important as your > virtualenv grows. Check out the python buildpack from Heroku > https://github.com/heroku/heroku-buildpack-python > > > > More newbie questions: > > worse practices > * how bad is it that I pip install things that require compiling on my > production box (psycopg2 for example)? > > Not bad, everyone does it. > > > * how bad is it to install git on my production box? > > Unless you have a large infrastructure, most of the time your deploy > script will run on the box and fetch using git. > > > > Eventually I think I'll set up my own pypi. I think I could also try and > figure out how to make packages for things like psycopg2 so I don't need to > compile them. (assuming there is some reason I wouldn't want to use a > distro's package? is there?) > > Python Wheel packages can do this, but they are reasonably new and I?ve > never used them for anything serious. > > > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Wed Nov 20 18:22:52 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:22:52 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Andy Boyle wrote: > Sheila, have you ever used Fabric? > Hi! Not yet. My next step after figuring out what I want to have happen when I deploy things (like deciding whether I should run my own pypi, make completely new virtualenvs, etc.) is to decide on an automated config/deploy framework. One friend from ps1 suggested using puppet or salt if I have less than 100 boxes to worry about, chef if I had more. To be honest, I only have one for now, and I am probably overthinking things due to my last job. On the other hand, the automation stuff will serve as documentation for myself 6 months later when I forget something, or for someone new who comes on. > > As for installing git on your production environment, that's what we use > to deploy our projects, so I'm not sure why it'd necessarily be a bad thing > to have. I'd love to hear someone's arguments to the contrary. > I was trying to imagine some bad scenarios. sometimes gets partial access to things enough to do stuff with git or a compiler and then screws up everything. Though I suppose if they can compromise things enough to do that, they could probably sudo apt-get stuff. Though I don't have the user account the app runs under in the sudo group. Just trying to think of bad crap. When I got my last job I tried to imagine how a defect might lead to someone's death. In an earlier job, a defect could likely lead to someone's death much easier than that job, so it became an interesting thought experiment. QA people are superheros who save us from horrible death and destruction. > Good luck! > -Andy > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From yarkot1 at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 18:41:40 2013 From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:41:40 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am all for virtualenv for developing apps packages, or devel where you don't have a deployment target in mind. Otherwise a virtual box cofigured with the target machine, and the development tree network mounted from your host is a scalable, distributeable solution, and a small step to deploying to the same environment. edx is moving to doing this with ansible, and its a nice way to include / test other services & dbs. See the wiki pages at github.com/edx/configuration Vagrant & a vm are your friend. On Nov 20, 2013 11:23 AM, "sheila miguez" wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Andy Boyle wrote: > >> Sheila, have you ever used Fabric? >> > > Hi! > > Not yet. My next step after figuring out what I want to have happen when I > deploy things (like deciding whether I should run my own pypi, make > completely new virtualenvs, etc.) is to decide on an automated > config/deploy framework. One friend from ps1 suggested using puppet or salt > if I have less than 100 boxes to worry about, chef if I had more. > > To be honest, I only have one for now, and I am probably overthinking > things due to my last job. On the other hand, the automation stuff will > serve as documentation for myself 6 months later when I forget something, > or for someone new who comes on. > > >> >> As for installing git on your production environment, that's what we use >> to deploy our projects, so I'm not sure why it'd necessarily be a bad thing >> to have. I'd love to hear someone's arguments to the contrary. >> > > I was trying to imagine some bad scenarios. sometimes gets partial access > to things enough to do stuff with git or a compiler and then screws up > everything. Though I suppose if they can compromise things enough to do > that, they could probably sudo apt-get stuff. Though I don't have the user > account the app runs under in the sudo group. > > Just trying to think of bad crap. When I got my last job I tried to > imagine how a defect might lead to someone's death. In an earlier job, a > defect could likely lead to someone's death much easier than that job, so > it became an interesting thought experiment. QA people are superheros who > save us from horrible death and destruction. > > > >> Good luck! >> -Andy >> > > > > > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at cugnet.net Wed Nov 20 18:47:15 2013 From: steve at cugnet.net (Steven McGrath) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:47:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I always use virtualenv out of habit (i?m staring at about 15 venvs currently active on my machine at the moment). ?I?m not sure how usable it is to most people, but I even wrote a little script to help manage the virtual environments:? https://github.com/SteveMcGrath/virtualenv_manager ? Steven McGrath On November 20, 2013 at 11:41:49 AM, Yarko Tymciurak (yarkot1 at gmail.com) wrote: I am all for virtualenv for developing apps packages, or devel where you don't have a deployment target in mind. Otherwise a virtual box cofigured with the target machine, and the development tree network mounted from your host is a scalable, distributeable solution, and a small step to deploying to the same environment. edx is moving to doing this with ansible, and its a nice way to include / test other services & dbs. See the wiki pages at github.com/edx/configuration Vagrant & a vm are your friend. On Nov 20, 2013 11:23 AM, "sheila miguez" wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Andy Boyle wrote: Sheila, have you ever used Fabric? Hi! Not yet. My next step after figuring out what I want to have happen when I deploy things (like deciding whether I should run my own pypi, make completely new virtualenvs, etc.) is to decide on an automated config/deploy framework. One friend from ps1 suggested using puppet or salt if I have less than 100 boxes to worry about, chef if I had more. To be honest, I only have one for now, and I am probably overthinking things due to my last job. On the other hand, the automation stuff will serve as documentation for myself 6 months later when I forget something, or for someone new who comes on. ? ? As for installing git on your production environment, that's what we use to deploy our projects, so I'm not sure why it'd necessarily be a bad thing to have. I'd love to hear someone's arguments to the contrary. I was trying to imagine some bad scenarios. sometimes gets partial access to things enough to do stuff with git or a compiler and then screws up everything. Though I suppose if they can compromise things enough to do that, they could probably sudo apt-get stuff. Though I don't have the user account the app runs under in the sudo group. Just trying to think of bad crap. When I got my last job I tried to imagine how a defect might lead to someone's death. In an earlier job, a defect could likely lead to someone's death much easier than that job, so it became an interesting thought experiment. QA people are superheros who save us from horrible death and destruction. ? Good luck! -Andy ? -- sheila _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pin specific versions of all of your dependencies and build your environment with pip, and you'll never be surprised or broken by someone else's changes to the distro. From dnfehrenbach at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 19:05:06 2013 From: dnfehrenbach at gmail.com (Daniel Fehrenbach) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:05:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 server (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time tables. Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text file of copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to learning the higher caliber tools. Dan On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:24 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Brian Curtin wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Brian Curtin > wrote: > >> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM, sheila miguez > >> > wrote: > >> >> (assuming there is some reason I wouldn't want to use a > >> >> distro's package? is there?) > >> > > >> > None whatsoever. > >> > >> Er, to clarify: don't use distro packages. > > > > > > I'm confused, do you mean don't use distro packages for something like > > psycopg2? I use pip for everything now, but was wondering whether I > should > > treat that one differently. > > I wouldn't use a distro package for anything. Distro packages are for > the distro. > > Pin specific versions of all of your dependencies and build your > environment with pip, and you'll never be surprised or broken by > someone else's changes to the distro. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at cugnet.net Wed Nov 20 19:25:38 2013 From: steve at cugnet.net (Steven McGrath) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: fabric++ I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. ?One of my prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything together. ? Steven McGrath On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 server (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time tables. Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text file of copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to learning the higher caliber tools. Dan On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Curtin wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:24 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Brian Curtin wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Brian Curtin wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM, sheila miguez >> > wrote: >> >> (assuming there is some reason I wouldn't want to use a >> >> distro's package? is there?) >> > >> > None whatsoever. >> >> Er, to clarify: don't use distro packages. > > > I'm confused, do you mean don't use distro packages for something like > psycopg2? I use pip for everything now, but was wondering whether I should > treat that one differently. I wouldn't use a distro package for anything. Distro packages are for the distro. Pin specific versions of all of your dependencies and build your environment with pip, and you'll never be surprised or broken by someone else's changes to the distro. _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Wed Nov 20 20:12:33 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:12:33 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the setup. I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends on how priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath wrote: > fabric++ > > I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One of my > prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything together. > > ? > Steven McGrath > > > On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach ( > dnfehrenbach at gmail.com ) wrote: > > I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 server > (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not > dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time tables. > Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text file of > copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a > chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to > learning the higher caliber tools. > > Dan > > [...] -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at python.org Wed Nov 20 20:27:22 2013 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:27:22 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deploying django apps, first steps for newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach wrote: > Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text file of > copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a > chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to > learning the higher caliber tools. I'm not committing to a timeline, but I'd like to give a talk about salt some time soon. I toyed with it a bit, read the docs front to back on a flight last week (yes, I used it, *then* read the docs), and have been looking into the salt.cloud parts since they use libcloud (which is what I presented on in Vancouver). From carl at personnelware.com Wed Nov 20 20:33:42 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:33:42 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... Message-ID: I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) glu? am i missing any? if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the setup. > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends on how > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). > > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath wrote: >> >> fabric++ >> >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One of my >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything together. >> >> ? >> Steven McGrath >> >> >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: >> >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 server >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time tables. >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text file of >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to >> learning the higher caliber tools. >> >> Dan >> > [...] > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From shekay at pobox.com Wed Nov 20 21:13:52 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:13:52 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This could be a good chicagolug event maybe. and we had a talk on salt last week there. Ps. I bet we don't find anyone who uses glu unless we can nag someone at Orbitz to talk about it (does anyone else in Chicago use it?). Otherwise it will be me vaguely remembering things and flailing around. I am not good at standup so it won't happen. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the > language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people > to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might > go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. > > I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and > I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would > bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. > > fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) > glu? > am i missing any? > if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. > > >[earlier deployment discussion] > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick271828 at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 21:23:02 2013 From: nick271828 at gmail.com (Nick Bennett) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:23:02 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would attend. I know enough about using Chef to never want to use it again. I've been experimenting with Ansible and Fabric on my own time. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the > language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people > to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might > go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. > > I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and > I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would > bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. > > fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) > glu? > am i missing any? > if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the > setup. > > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends on > how > > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). > > > > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath > wrote: > >> > >> fabric++ > >> > >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One of > my > >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything > together. > >> > >> ? > >> Steven McGrath > >> > >> > >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach > >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: > >> > >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 > server > >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not > >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time > tables. > >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text file > of > >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a > >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to > >> learning the higher caliber tools. > >> > >> Dan > >> > > [...] > > > > -- > > sheila > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Plot.ly is a graphing and analytics > project that lets you style publication quality, interactive, web-based > graphs with Python or the GUI (Python API here ). > You can also use Plotly to collaborate, sharing graphs, data, and projects > with others. > > We just put up an IPython demo > (video here ) that I > thought I'd pass along, and we'd like to put up more examples from our > API gallery as well (where you can also get > installation instructions and documentation). And, I'm including a gallery > shot below. > > We just launched, so getting feedback from expert users like you all is > much appreciated. We'd love to hear your thoughts and reactions, and if you > have any feedback, to hear what you think. > > Thanks so much, > Matt > Plotly is awesome. 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I've been experimenting with Ansible and Fabric on my own time. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the >> language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people >> to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might >> go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. >> >> I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and >> I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would >> bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. >> >> fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) >> glu? >> am i missing any? >> if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez wrote: >> > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the >> setup. >> > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends on >> how >> > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). >> > >> > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath >> wrote: >> >> >> >> fabric++ >> >> >> >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One >> of my >> >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything >> together. >> >> >> >> ? >> >> Steven McGrath >> >> >> >> >> >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach >> >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: >> >> >> >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 >> server >> >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not >> >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time >> tables. >> >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text >> file of >> >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a >> >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to >> >> learning the higher caliber tools. >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> > [...] >> > >> > -- >> > sheila >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I can get 5 people >>> to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might >>> go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. >>> >>> I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and >>> I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would >>> bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. >>> >>> fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) >>> glu? >>> am i missing any? >>> if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez wrote: >>> > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the >>> setup. >>> > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends >>> on how >>> > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). >>> > >>> > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> fabric++ >>> >> >>> >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One >>> of my >>> >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything >>> together. >>> >> >>> >> ? >>> >> Steven McGrath >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach >>> >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 >>> server >>> >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not >>> >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time >>> tables. >>> >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text >>> file of >>> >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a >>> >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time >>> to >>> >> learning the higher caliber tools. >>> >> >>> >> Dan >>> >> >>> > [...] >>> > >>> > -- >>> > sheila >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Chicago mailing list >>> > Chicago at python.org >>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.saylor at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 23:20:34 2013 From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:20:34 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd very much like to attend. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Randy Baxley wrote: > +1 > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Chris Sinchok wrote: > >> I'd be very interested in this. I've been making heavy use of ansible, >> fabric, and a lot of dev-opsy monitoring tools in our recent redesign, and >> I'd be more than happy to talk about some of that. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Nick Bennett wrote: >> >>> I would attend. I know enough about using Chef to never want to use it >>> again. I've been experimenting with Ansible and Fabric on my own time. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >>> >>>> I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the >>>> language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people >>>> to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might >>>> go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. >>>> >>>> I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and >>>> I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would >>>> bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. >>>> >>>> fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) >>>> glu? >>>> am i missing any? >>>> if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez >>>> wrote: >>>> > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the >>>> setup. >>>> > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends >>>> on how >>>> > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). >>>> > >>>> > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> fabric++ >>>> >> >>>> >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One >>>> of my >>>> >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything >>>> together. >>>> >> >>>> >> ? >>>> >> Steven McGrath >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach >>>> >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 >>>> server >>>> >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not >>>> >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time >>>> tables. >>>> >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text >>>> file of >>>> >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a >>>> >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time >>>> to >>>> >> learning the higher caliber tools. >>>> >> >>>> >> Dan >>>> >> >>>> > [...] >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > sheila >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Chicago mailing list >>>> > Chicago at python.org >>>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Carl K >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- @tsaylor http://www.timsaylor.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnfehrenbach at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 23:26:49 2013 From: dnfehrenbach at gmail.com (Daniel Fehrenbach) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:26:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1, yeah that sounds cool On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Tim Saylor wrote: > I'd very much like to attend. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Randy Baxley wrote: > >> +1 >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Chris Sinchok wrote: >> >>> I'd be very interested in this. I've been making heavy use of ansible, >>> fabric, and a lot of dev-opsy monitoring tools in our recent redesign, and >>> I'd be more than happy to talk about some of that. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Nick Bennett wrote: >>> >>>> I would attend. I know enough about using Chef to never want to use it >>>> again. I've been experimenting with Ansible and Fabric on my own time. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the >>>>> language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people >>>>> to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might >>>>> go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. >>>>> >>>>> I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and >>>>> I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would >>>>> bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. >>>>> >>>>> fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) >>>>> glu? >>>>> am i missing any? >>>>> if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the >>>>> setup. >>>>> > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends >>>>> on how >>>>> > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). >>>>> > >>>>> > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> fabric++ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. >>>>> One of my >>>>> >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything >>>>> together. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> ? >>>>> >> Steven McGrath >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach >>>>> >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 >>>>> server >>>>> >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am >>>>> not >>>>> >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time >>>>> tables. >>>>> >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text >>>>> file of >>>>> >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a >>>>> >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much >>>>> time to >>>>> >> learning the higher caliber tools. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Dan >>>>> >> >>>>> > [...] >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > sheila >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Chicago mailing list >>>>> > Chicago at python.org >>>>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Carl K >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chicago mailing list >>>>> Chicago at python.org >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > -- > @tsaylor > http://www.timsaylor.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have started to track down who is actively organizing (or not, and then I'll jfoi) yeah, I need a date before anyone can commit, but maybe the date will be driven by when the presenters can present - So.. if you want to present, When is good for you in December? Don''t be affraid to overlap - if two people want to do the same thing, let us know and I'll help work out who does what. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > > > I went to a few devops meetup group meetings once, but haven't been in > forever. I think Morningstar, Thoughtworks, or Orbitz hosted some of the > meetings, but my memory could be faulty. > > anyone here in touch with the group organizers? > > > > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From brianhray at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 00:04:38 2013 From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:04:38 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suppose we could theme a ChiPy meeting or special interest group for this dev ops deployment debacle? Otherwise, I am afraid this meeting is off topic for this list and might be confusing to those who are looking to find a ChiPy meeting here... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstoner2 at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 00:30:23 2013 From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:30:23 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jenkins? On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the > language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people > to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might > go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. > > I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and > I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would > bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. > > fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) > glu? > am i missing any? > if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the > setup. > > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends on > how > > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). > > > > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath > wrote: > >> > >> fabric++ > >> > >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One of > my > >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything > together. > >> > >> ? > >> Steven McGrath > >> > >> > >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach > >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: > >> > >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 > server > >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not > >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time > tables. > >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text file > of > >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a > >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to > >> learning the higher caliber tools. > >> > >> Dan > >> > > [...] > > > > -- > > sheila > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- blogs: http://johnstoner.wordpress.com/ 'In knowledge is power; in wisdom, humility.' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yarkot1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 00:52:44 2013 From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:52:44 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh! Then we need to include docker too... On Nov 20, 2013 5:30 PM, "John Stoner" wrote: > Jenkins? > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the >> language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people >> to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might >> go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. >> >> I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and >> I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would >> bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. >> >> fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) >> glu? >> am i missing any? >> if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez wrote: >> > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the >> setup. >> > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends on >> how >> > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). >> > >> > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath >> wrote: >> >> >> >> fabric++ >> >> >> >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One >> of my >> >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything >> together. >> >> >> >> ? >> >> Steven McGrath >> >> >> >> >> >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach >> >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: >> >> >> >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 >> server >> >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not >> >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time >> tables. >> >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text >> file of >> >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a >> >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to >> >> learning the higher caliber tools. >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> > [...] >> > >> > -- >> > sheila >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > -- > blogs: > http://johnstoner.wordpress.com/ > 'In knowledge is power; in wisdom, humility.' > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From carl at personnelware.com Thu Nov 21 05:18:01 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:18:01 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: woo hoo, achievement unlocked! I was wondering who was doing chicago devops meetings. I found you, Jerry and Martin on the meetup page and wasn't sure how current that was. Next goal: define what people should demo or something. I have some ideas For instance, this system has been up and running for about 2 years: https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system/blob/master/README.md we have just started documenting how to build it. Most of is is done by running runall.sh, which pretty much runs all these scripts https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system/tree/master/tools/setup and then we go edit some config files by hand. repeat for each stream, so like PyCon needs 6 sets of the stream boxes, all referenced by the web server's config. I am 1/2 convinced this is a good idea.. will have a better idea in a few days. After that we (not just me, right?) can try to get presenters. and if no one wants to implemty my scripts and additional magic.. we can figure something else out. Where should we have this discussion? On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Matt O'Keefe wrote: > Jerry Cattell (cc-d) and I organize the DevOps Chicago meetup group. Maybe > we can co-organize this event? http://www.meetup.com/devops/ > > -Matt > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, sheila miguez wrote: >> >> >> >> I went to a few devops meetup group meetings once, but haven't been in >> forever. I think Morningstar, Thoughtworks, or Orbitz hosted some of the >> meetings, but my memory could be faulty. >> >> anyone here in touch with the group organizers? >> >> >> >> >> -- >> sheila >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From leon at chism.org Thu Nov 21 16:56:27 2013 From: leon at chism.org (Leon Chism) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:56:27 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39EBEE52-FF4A-45F7-89BC-2F6A3EE2E57D@chism.org> We use fabric for our deployments at Analyte Health. Maybe I can scare up someone to talk about how we use it. Leon > On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Chris Sinchok wrote: > > I'd be very interested in this. I've been making heavy use of ansible, fabric, and a lot of dev-opsy monitoring tools in our recent redesign, and I'd be more than happy to talk about some of that. > > >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Nick Bennett wrote: >> I would attend. I know enough about using Chef to never want to use it again. I've been experimenting with Ansible and Fabric on my own time. >> >> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >>> I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the >>> language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people >>> to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might >>> go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. >>> >>> I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and >>> I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would >>> bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. >>> >>> fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) >>> glu? >>> am i missing any? >>> if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez wrote: >>> > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the setup. >>> > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends on how >>> > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). >>> > >>> > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath wrote: >>> >> >>> >> fabric++ >>> >> >>> >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One of my >>> >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything together. >>> >> >>> >> ? >>> >> Steven McGrath >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach >>> >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 server >>> >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not >>> >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time tables. >>> >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text file of >>> >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a >>> >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time to >>> >> learning the higher caliber tools. >>> >> >>> >> Dan >>> >> >>> > [...] >>> > >>> > -- >>> > sheila >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Chicago mailing list >>> > Chicago at python.org >>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: > It seems like the beginning of this idea was already completed and you have > it on video when we were at The Onion. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From randy7771026 at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 17:19:26 2013 From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:19:26 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: <39EBEE52-FF4A-45F7-89BC-2F6A3EE2E57D@chism.org> Message-ID: When we were at the Onion one of their guys talked about the way they deploy. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > um... I am lost. what video? > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Randy Baxley > wrote: > > It seems like the beginning of this idea was already completed and you > have > > it on video when we were at The Onion. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Thu Nov 21 17:23:40 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:23:40 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: <39EBEE52-FF4A-45F7-89BC-2F6A3EE2E57D@chism.org> References: <39EBEE52-FF4A-45F7-89BC-2F6A3EE2E57D@chism.org> Message-ID: +1 because I've been curious about the processes you use there. I know some of the people who work there and I haven't picked their brains with questions. Deployment for django sites using whatever method would also be on topic for djangonauts. If there are some people who go to those don't make it to chipy it would be nice to have the talks there too. And it could be practice in case people want to submit talks for future conferences. The deadline for Pycon Montreal is alrady past, but there are other conferences coming up. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Leon Chism wrote: > We use fabric for our deployments at Analyte Health. Maybe I can scare up > someone to talk about how we use it. > > Leon > > > On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Chris Sinchok wrote: > > I'd be very interested in this. I've been making heavy use of ansible, > fabric, and a lot of dev-opsy monitoring tools in our recent redesign, and > I'd be more than happy to talk about some of that. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Nick Bennett wrote: > >> I would attend. I know enough about using Chef to never want to use it >> again. I've been experimenting with Ansible and Fabric on my own time. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >>> I am thinking of a Chicago dev-ops meeting that will be like the >>> language shootout, only for deployment tools. If I can get 5 people >>> to say they might attend and one that says they might present, I might >>> go ahead with this. so not looking for commitment, just interest. >>> >>> I don't have a date, I need to talk to the devops group leader, and >>> I don't even know who that is, but I want to make sure someone would >>> bother showing up before I put any more effort into it. >>> >>> fabric, chef, puppet, salt, ansible (just heard about it yesterday) >>> glu? >>> am i missing any? >>> if someone wants to do bash... sure. we need comic relief. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM, sheila miguez wrote: >>> > This swaying me towards fabric for a first attempt at automating the >>> setup. >>> > I don't know that I'll get to this step this week because it depends >>> on how >>> > priorities go at work (the deployment stuff is "invisible" work). >>> > >>> > Then maybe I can ask for some code review at python office hours. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Steven McGrath >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> fabric++ >>> >> >>> >> I actually use fabric for most deployment and management stuff. One >>> of my >>> >> prod backup scripts is leveraging fabric for pulling everything >>> together. >>> >> >>> >> ? >>> >> Steven McGrath >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On November 20, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach >>> >> (dnfehrenbach at gmail.com) wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I've stared using Fabric for deploying stuff at work. I only have 1 >>> server >>> >> (with a similar stack to Sheila's) where everything lives so I am not >>> >> dealing with a lot of different hosts or very rapid deployment time >>> tables. >>> >> Personally, I found that it was easier to go from my standard text >>> file of >>> >> copy/pasted lines of terminal inputs to a fabfile than to a >>> >> chef/salt/ansible framework but I was never able to devote much time >>> to >>> >> learning the higher caliber tools. >>> >> >>> >> Dan >>> >> >>> > [...] >>> > >>> > -- >>> > sheila >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Chicago mailing list >>> > Chicago at python.org >>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Thu Nov 21 17:28:06 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:28:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Plotly: Python Plotting and Analytics Package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Matt Sundquist wrote: > We just launched, so getting feedback from expert users like you all is > much appreciated. We'd love to hear your thoughts and reactions, and if you > have any feedback, to hear what you think. Thanks for posting this, I want to know about these types of things because I want to have my platform be able to interface to things like this. We are making a platform for scientists to share the code and data with their publications in order to encourage sharing and citation of these things, and we've started with merely providing tarballs of things, but soon we'll want to give people nicer views of the code and data. We'll be doing simple things first (so probably just views of files with syntax highlighting for code and something like tabular views for data that it makes to sense to view that way). Also, we'll want to do execution before neat display, but I'm not sure. It depends on what people want. Do people who provide python-based and python interoperable tools for scientists want to have some chipy meetups? -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randy7771026 at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 17:32:37 2013 From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:32:37 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: <39EBEE52-FF4A-45F7-89BC-2F6A3EE2E57D@chism.org> Message-ID: http://pyvideo.org/video/567/python-django-deployment http://pyvideo.org/video/570/django-deployment-for-the-average-bloke Not sure where the one from The Onion ended up but there are these two others. One is by someone familiar to you. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > um... I am lost. what video? > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Randy Baxley > wrote: > > It seems like the beginning of this idea was already completed and you > have > > it on video when we were at The Onion. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Thu Nov 21 17:33:27 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:33:27 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: <39EBEE52-FF4A-45F7-89BC-2F6A3EE2E57D@chism.org> Message-ID: I think a long time ago (last year?) someone gave a talk on fabric. I only vaguely remember it. I wouldn't mind hearing from other people how they deploy their sites. particularly now that I am at the point where I need to deploy something for real. Previously I worked with more than just myself and could take advantage of what people set up at work for everyone. (same thing with some other types of things -- I never had to set up and configure graphite on my own.) On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: > When we were at the Onion one of their guys talked about the way they > deploy. > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> um... I am lost. what video? >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Randy Baxley >> wrote: >> > It seems like the beginning of this idea was already completed and you >> have >> > it on video when we were at The Onion. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Thu Nov 21 17:38:14 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:38:14 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: <39EBEE52-FF4A-45F7-89BC-2F6A3EE2E57D@chism.org> Message-ID: Oh man, one of those is from the days we used blip. We are still in the process of restoring all those. Thanks to rackspace we have an account for pyvideo and have downloaded everything we could find and are in the process of uploading them to cloudfiles. We'll make a blog post about this so people can see how we did this. I find it fairly interesting and we wrote some python scripts and also used the pyrax library. Will has done most of the work of moving pyvideo from my personal rackspace account to the pyvideo community account. (we are all insanely busy so it's been slow going for all of us) If we talk about deployment and automation we could also discuss how we work with pyvideo in a talk. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: > http://pyvideo.org/video/567/python-django-deployment > > http://pyvideo.org/video/570/django-deployment-for-the-average-bloke > > Not sure where the one from The Onion ended up but there are these two > others. One is by someone familiar to you. > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> um... I am lost. what video? >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Randy Baxley >> wrote: >> > It seems like the beginning of this idea was already completed and you >> have >> > it on video when we were at The Onion. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Thu Nov 21 17:41:35 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:41:35 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd like if people used Tims video set up as a hello world for deployment because I'd like for other python user groups to be able to stream their meetings. Right now the people who know how to do this are in Chicago and whereever Tim lives in Australia. So we can do things in person or remotely and talk to the meeting organizers over irc. But it would be better to have Tim Appleseed planting seeds everywhere. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > woo hoo, achievement unlocked! > > I was wondering who was doing chicago devops meetings. I found you, > Jerry and Martin on the meetup page and wasn't sure how current that > was. > > Next goal: define what people should demo or something. I have some ideas > > For instance, this system has been up and running for about 2 years: > https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system/blob/master/README.md > > we have just started documenting how to build it. > Most of is is done by running runall.sh, which pretty much runs all > these scripts > https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system/tree/master/tools/setup > and then we go edit some config files by hand. > > repeat for each stream, so like PyCon needs 6 sets of the stream > boxes, all referenced by the web server's config. > > I am 1/2 convinced this is a good idea.. will have a better idea in a few > days. > > After that we (not just me, right?) can try to get presenters. and if > no one wants to implemty my scripts and additional magic.. we can > figure something else out. > > Where should we have this discussion? > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Matt O'Keefe wrote: > > Jerry Cattell (cc-d) and I organize the DevOps Chicago meetup group. > Maybe > > we can co-organize this event? http://www.meetup.com/devops/ > > > > -Matt > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I went to a few devops meetup group meetings once, but haven't been in > >> forever. I think Morningstar, Thoughtworks, or Orbitz hosted some of the > >> meetings, but my memory could be faulty. > >> > >> anyone here in touch with the group organizers? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> sheila > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for posting this, I want to know about these types of things because I want to have my platform be able to interface to things like this. We are making a platform for scientists to share the code and data with their publications in order to encourage sharing and citation of these things, and we've started with merely providing tarballs of things, but soon we'll want to give people nicer views of the code and data. We'll be doing simple things first (so probably just views of files with syntax highlighting for code and something like tabular views for data that it makes to sense to view that way). Also, we'll want to do execution before neat display, but I'm not sure. It depends on what people want. Do people who provide python-based and python interoperable tools for scientists want to have some chipy meetups? -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jp at zavteq.com Thu Nov 21 17:39:58 2013 From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:39:58 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] deployment shootout? was: deploying ... In-Reply-To: References: <39EBEE52-FF4A-45F7-89BC-2F6A3EE2E57D@chism.org> Message-ID: +1 I'm not a devops person, but often have to figure this stuff out, and would love to get some insights from the folks who do this all the time (i.e. don't do a basic install b/c there are a million ways to hack into it and destroy your entire existence [kind of talk]). On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Randy Baxley wrote: > http://pyvideo.org/video/567/python-django-deployment > > http://pyvideo.org/video/570/django-deployment-for-the-average-bloke > > Not sure where the one from The Onion ended up but there are these two > others. One is by someone familiar to you. > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> um... I am lost. what video? >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Randy Baxley >> wrote: >> > It seems like the beginning of this idea was already completed and you >> have >> > it on video when we were at The Onion. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- JP Bader Principal Zavteq, Inc. @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com 608.692.2468 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe at germuska.com Thu Nov 21 18:14:55 2013 From: joe at germuska.com (Joe Germuska) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:14:55 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Plotly: Python Plotting and Analytics Package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m also interested in the general idea of packaging writing about data with the data, and making that something with less overhead for analysts and that?s more friendly to readers. Sheila (and others) may be interested in this very early stage project by Jeremy Singer-Vine (Wall Street Journal) to use iPython for data journalism. http://notebooks.jsvine.com/introducing-reporter/ Joe On Nov 21, 2013, at 10:28 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Matt Sundquist wrote: > We just launched, so getting feedback from expert users like you all is much appreciated. We'd love to hear your thoughts and reactions, and if you have any feedback, to hear what you think. > > Thanks for posting this, I want to know about these types of things because I want to have my platform be able to interface to things like this. > > We are making a platform for scientists to share the code and data with their publications in order to encourage sharing and citation of these things, and we've started with merely providing tarballs of things, but soon we'll want to give people nicer views of the code and data. We'll be doing simple things first (so probably just views of files with syntax highlighting for code and something like tabular views for data that it makes to sense to view that way). > > Also, we'll want to do execution before neat display, but I'm not sure. It depends on what people want. > > Do people who provide python-based and python interoperable tools for scientists want to have some chipy meetups? > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Joe Germuska Joe at Germuska.com * http://blog.germuska.com * http://twitter.com/JoeGermuska "Science's job is to map our ignorance." --David Byrne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdblischak at gmail.com Thu Nov 21 18:25:50 2013 From: jdblischak at gmail.com (John Blischak) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:25:50 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd be interested, and I know there are other scientists that attend chipy (though certainly we are a minority of chipy's membership) that would find the presentation very relevant. John On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > Carl thought that a talk on what I've been working on might be > interesting, but I did explain to him that it is just a django site so that > there is nothing especially interesting to it. He's been debating this with > me a little. > > What do people think? I could explain the motivations behind the project, > and also discuss why I picked django, and going from a new django developer > to an intermediate django developer. > > This could be a beginner to intermediate talk about django. > > I could instead maybe talk to the djangonauts user group if the topic > isn't good for chipy. > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Thu Nov 21 18:54:12 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:54:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If more scientists are interested, perhaps I could ask my coworker or PI (the scientists of the group) if they have time to come out and give a talk soon. I could do the staff programmer part of the talk. They'd be awesome at the reproducible science part of the talk. My coworker is a post doc with a background in gravitational astrophysics, and our PI is a prof in the statistics department at Columbia University. It might be helpful for my coworker to be here if she has time because of all the physicists we have in the group. I could float the idea with them. Everyone is crazy busy with course load and research except me, so I'm the only one who might have time to present. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:25 AM, John Blischak wrote: > I'd be interested, and I know there are other scientists that attend chipy > (though certainly we are a minority of chipy's membership) that would find > the presentation very relevant. > > John > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > >> >> Carl thought that a talk on what I've been working on might be >> interesting, but I did explain to him that it is just a django site so that >> there is nothing especially interesting to it. He's been debating this with >> me a little. >> >> What do people think? I could explain the motivations behind the project, >> and also discuss why I picked django, and going from a new django developer >> to an intermediate django developer. >> >> This could be a beginner to intermediate talk about django. >> >> I could instead maybe talk to the djangonauts user group if the topic >> isn't good for chipy. >> >> -- >> sheila >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Thu Nov 21 19:22:46 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:22:46 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: let us look at this just a django site ... git clone https://github.com/researchcompendia/tyler .travis.yml .. everyone already knows about Travis Continuous Integration being triggered by github. there is a bunch of stuff in https://github.com/researchcompendia/tyler/blob/develop/requirements/ lets write some python... # dump_pkgs.py - dump package names from pip requirements files import glob def one_file(filename): for line in open(filename).read().split('\n'): if "==" in line: pkg = line.split('==')[0] print pkg, def all_files(): for f in glob.glob('*.txt'): one_file(f) if __name__ == '__main__': all_files() Django dj-database-url djangorestframework South django-storages psycopg2 django-json-field django-model-utils django-taggit boto django-haystack django-allauth django-avatar django-braces django-crispy-forms django-floppyforms django-vanilla-views Markdown Pillow beautifulsoup4 lxml django-honeypot django-mailgun django-toolbelt logutils python-dateutil django-filter unicode-slugify dj-static #django-appconf django-autocomplete-light django-autoslug Sphinx coverage django-discover-runner django-nose flake8 mock nose pep8 gunicorn No one cares about any of that stuff either. except maybe pep8. Lets have a meeting dedicated to pep8. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > Carl thought that a talk on what I've been working on might be interesting, > but I did explain to him that it is just a django site so that there is > nothing especially interesting to it. He's been debating this with me a > little. > > What do people think? I could explain the motivations behind the project, > and also discuss why I picked django, and going from a new django developer > to an intermediate django developer. > > This could be a beginner to intermediate talk about django. > > I could instead maybe talk to the djangonauts user group if the topic isn't > good for chipy. > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Carl K From shekay at pobox.com Thu Nov 21 19:56:51 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:56:51 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Plotly: Python Plotting and Analytics Package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Joe Germuska wrote: > Sheila (and others) may be interested in this very early stage project by > Jeremy Singer-Vine (Wall Street Journal) to use iPython for data > journalism. http://notebooks.jsvine.com/introducing-reporter/ > That is sweet. -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Thu Nov 21 20:07:55 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:07:55 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [LUNI] Linux Club - December 5, 2013 In-Reply-To: <5b90654e-0b4c-4106-85ea-2e9c49041d2a@googlegroups.com> References: <5b90654e-0b4c-4106-85ea-2e9c49041d2a@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: deployment often involves VMs (and testing deployments should almost always involve VMs) so this is just topical enough. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: CLC Linux Club Date: Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM Subject: [LUNI] Linux Club - December 5, 2013 To: luni-chicago at googlegroups.com Where: Sedgebrook Topic: Virtualization Time: 6:30 pm - 8:30pm See link for directions: https://clclinux.org/node/43 I am sending this out a bit early, as we are looking for people who can talk on Virtualization. If anyone would like to share their experiences, we would appreciate your knowledge. We are especially looking someone to show VMware, Xen or other Virtualizaion programs. Please send me an email, if you are willing to give a short talk. Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Linux Users of Northern Illinois" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to luni-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to luni-chicago at googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/luni-chicago. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Carl K From eviljoel at linux.com Fri Nov 22 02:57:29 2013 From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:57:29 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Sheila, I might get something out of this because I only know some very basic Django. However, I suspect most people would be more interested in other talks. Thanks, eviljoel On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > Carl thought that a talk on what I've been working on might be interesting, > but I did explain to him that it is just a django site so that there is > nothing especially interesting to it. He's been debating this with me a > little. > > What do people think? I could explain the motivations behind the project, > and also discuss why I picked django, and going from a new django developer > to an intermediate django developer. > > This could be a beginner to intermediate talk about django. > > I could instead maybe talk to the djangonauts user group if the topic isn't > good for chipy. > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From shekay at pobox.com Fri Nov 22 17:29:03 2013 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:29:03 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I think it might be more interesting to the djangonauts group unless there is a quorum of people interested here. Carl mentioned a bunch of things in my requirements... I guess I'd probably hit on: Heroko -- things one needs to learn to run django projects on heroku. Mostly I think people would want to know about collectstatic, django-storages, and environment variable driven configuration. RESTful stuff - how I wish I knew about django-rest-framework way back at the beginning of my project because then I might have done everything with django-rest-framework and a bunch of javascript rather than using django frontend stuff. I emailed pydanny to see if he or someone had written a blog post about this due to seeing his recommendation of angularjs and django-rest-framework in django-cookiecutter yet also recommending a bunch of packages like django-crispy-forms and other things that seem a bit counter to that. So, which way would one go in either direction and why? I can't answer that insightfully, but I want to know so it should go in a talk. Also, I want people to talk to me about DRY and how to handle javascript crap versus django crap. Testing - I want to avoid this in my talk due to how embarrassed I am about the lack of testing. Sunk cost fallacy - django-profiles and django-registration seemed reasonable at first despite the lack of documentation but dealing with the slowness in waiting for a pull request got to be a pain so I dumped everything and switched to django-allauth. Haystack - by the time I'd give a talk I will probably blah blah a little about that and elasticsearch or whatever happens int he next few days. who knows. gunicorn - I've already blah blah blahed about this in the other mailing list thread, so I might say one sentence about it. I think all of the above is more on topic for djangonauts than chipy and they do end up coming up in a djangonauts meeting I will invite you. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM, eviljoel wrote: > Hey Sheila, > > I might get something out of this because I only know some very basic > Django. However, I suspect most people would be more interested in > other talks. > > Thanks, > eviljoel > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > > > Carl thought that a talk on what I've been working on might be > interesting, > > but I did explain to him that it is just a django site so that there is > > nothing especially interesting to it. He's been debating this with me a > > little. > > > > What do people think? I could explain the motivations behind the project, > > and also discuss why I picked django, and going from a new django > developer > > to an intermediate django developer. > > > > This could be a beginner to intermediate talk about django. > > > > I could instead maybe talk to the djangonauts user group if the topic > isn't > > good for chipy. > > > > -- > > sheila > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- sheila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.haugen at gmail.com Fri Nov 22 17:42:57 2013 From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:42:57 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am really really interested in this talk but no longer live in Chicago, so if you give it anywhere, I hope it gets recorded, and I will devour it. Thanks. On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:29 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > Yeah, I think it might be more interesting to the djangonauts group unless > there is a quorum of people interested here. > > Carl mentioned a bunch of things in my requirements... I guess I'd probably > hit on: > > Heroko -- things one needs to learn to run django projects on heroku. Mostly > I think people would want to know about collectstatic, django-storages, and > environment variable driven configuration. > > RESTful stuff - how I wish I knew about django-rest-framework way back at > the beginning of my project because then I might have done everything with > django-rest-framework and a bunch of javascript rather than using django > frontend stuff. I emailed pydanny to see if he or someone had written a blog > post about this due to seeing his recommendation of angularjs and > django-rest-framework in django-cookiecutter yet also recommending a bunch > of packages like django-crispy-forms and other things that seem a bit > counter to that. So, which way would one go in either direction and why? I > can't answer that insightfully, but I want to know so it should go in a > talk. Also, I want people to talk to me about DRY and how to handle > javascript crap versus django crap. > > Testing - I want to avoid this in my talk due to how embarrassed I am about > the lack of testing. > > Sunk cost fallacy - django-profiles and django-registration seemed > reasonable at first despite the lack of documentation but dealing with the > slowness in waiting for a pull request got to be a pain so I dumped > everything and switched to django-allauth. > > Haystack - by the time I'd give a talk I will probably blah blah a little > about that and elasticsearch or whatever happens int he next few days. who > knows. > > gunicorn - I've already blah blah blahed about this in the other mailing > list thread, so I might say one sentence about it. > > I think all of the above is more on topic for djangonauts than chipy and > they do end up coming up in a djangonauts meeting I will invite you. > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM, eviljoel wrote: >> >> Hey Sheila, >> >> I might get something out of this because I only know some very basic >> Django. However, I suspect most people would be more interested in >> other talks. >> >> Thanks, >> eviljoel >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >> > >> > Carl thought that a talk on what I've been working on might be >> > interesting, >> > but I did explain to him that it is just a django site so that there is >> > nothing especially interesting to it. He's been debating this with me a >> > little. >> > >> > What do people think? I could explain the motivations behind the >> > project, >> > and also discuss why I picked django, and going from a new django >> > developer >> > to an intermediate django developer. >> > >> > This could be a beginner to intermediate talk about django. >> > >> > I could instead maybe talk to the djangonauts user group if the topic >> > isn't >> > good for chipy. >> > >> > -- >> > sheila >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > -- > sheila > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From mtobis at gmail.com Fri Nov 22 17:52:54 2013 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:52:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sheila's boss on this project is giving a talk on it at Scientific Software Days in Austin, TX, where I am a co-organizer. This will be videoed and I'll let you know when it's up. People who are interested in software for reproducibility are very welcome at this meeting. Keep an eye out for it next year. http://scisoftdays.org mt On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Bob Haugen wrote: > I am really really interested in this talk but no longer live in > Chicago, so if you give it anywhere, I hope it gets recorded, and I > will devour it. > > Thanks. > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:29 AM, sheila miguez wrote: > > Yeah, I think it might be more interesting to the djangonauts group > unless > > there is a quorum of people interested here. > > > > Carl mentioned a bunch of things in my requirements... I guess I'd > probably > > hit on: > > > > Heroko -- things one needs to learn to run django projects on heroku. > Mostly > > I think people would want to know about collectstatic, django-storages, > and > > environment variable driven configuration. > > > > RESTful stuff - how I wish I knew about django-rest-framework way back at > > the beginning of my project because then I might have done everything > with > > django-rest-framework and a bunch of javascript rather than using django > > frontend stuff. I emailed pydanny to see if he or someone had written a > blog > > post about this due to seeing his recommendation of angularjs and > > django-rest-framework in django-cookiecutter yet also recommending a > bunch > > of packages like django-crispy-forms and other things that seem a bit > > counter to that. So, which way would one go in either direction and why? > I > > can't answer that insightfully, but I want to know so it should go in a > > talk. Also, I want people to talk to me about DRY and how to handle > > javascript crap versus django crap. > > > > Testing - I want to avoid this in my talk due to how embarrassed I am > about > > the lack of testing. > > > > Sunk cost fallacy - django-profiles and django-registration seemed > > reasonable at first despite the lack of documentation but dealing with > the > > slowness in waiting for a pull request got to be a pain so I dumped > > everything and switched to django-allauth. > > > > Haystack - by the time I'd give a talk I will probably blah blah a little > > about that and elasticsearch or whatever happens int he next few days. > who > > knows. > > > > gunicorn - I've already blah blah blahed about this in the other mailing > > list thread, so I might say one sentence about it. > > > > I think all of the above is more on topic for djangonauts than chipy and > > they do end up coming up in a djangonauts meeting I will invite you. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM, eviljoel wrote: > >> > >> Hey Sheila, > >> > >> I might get something out of this because I only know some very basic > >> Django. However, I suspect most people would be more interested in > >> other talks. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> eviljoel > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, sheila miguez > wrote: > >> > > >> > Carl thought that a talk on what I've been working on might be > >> > interesting, > >> > but I did explain to him that it is just a django site so that there > is > >> > nothing especially interesting to it. He's been debating this with me > a > >> > little. > >> > > >> > What do people think? I could explain the motivations behind the > >> > project, > >> > and also discuss why I picked django, and going from a new django > >> > developer > >> > to an intermediate django developer. > >> > > >> > This could be a beginner to intermediate talk about django. > >> > > >> > I could instead maybe talk to the djangonauts user group if the topic > >> > isn't > >> > good for chipy. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > sheila > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Chicago mailing list > >> > Chicago at python.org > >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > > > > -- > > sheila > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Fri Nov 22 21:40:15 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:40:15 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you (or someone who wants to jump on this) have some time to help debug the live stream setup? The setup works - it was built for pycon 2012 on Amazon EC2 and local boxes. The amazon instances were left in place, and the local boxes were setup again for pycon 2013. The local box config is pretty manual. I got this working a while ago (like 4 months?) https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system/blob/master/tools/setup/runall.sh Install Ubuntu LTS (I think you can get away with ubuntu - server), then... # To bootstrap, run the following # lines: # sudo apt-get install -y git-core # git clone https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system.git # streaming-system/tools/setup/runall.sh I got this working, then a few weeks later someone did something and it broke. I may have fixed it, this is where I need help. Using some flavor of VM (or a real box if you want) 1) see what happens if you run runall.sh 2) if it is broken, fix it ;) It is some tedious work, but it should be very doable, even the fix part. The problems are like a file was moved so an absolute path needs to be changed. On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Bob Haugen wrote: > I am really really interested in this talk but no longer live in > Chicago, so if you give it anywhere, I hope it gets recorded, and I > will devour it. > > Thanks. > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:29 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >> Yeah, I think it might be more interesting to the djangonauts group unless >> there is a quorum of people interested here. >> >> Carl mentioned a bunch of things in my requirements... I guess I'd probably >> hit on: >> >> Heroko -- things one needs to learn to run django projects on heroku. Mostly >> I think people would want to know about collectstatic, django-storages, and >> environment variable driven configuration. >> >> RESTful stuff - how I wish I knew about django-rest-framework way back at >> the beginning of my project because then I might have done everything with >> django-rest-framework and a bunch of javascript rather than using django >> frontend stuff. I emailed pydanny to see if he or someone had written a blog >> post about this due to seeing his recommendation of angularjs and >> django-rest-framework in django-cookiecutter yet also recommending a bunch >> of packages like django-crispy-forms and other things that seem a bit >> counter to that. So, which way would one go in either direction and why? I >> can't answer that insightfully, but I want to know so it should go in a >> talk. Also, I want people to talk to me about DRY and how to handle >> javascript crap versus django crap. >> >> Testing - I want to avoid this in my talk due to how embarrassed I am about >> the lack of testing. >> >> Sunk cost fallacy - django-profiles and django-registration seemed >> reasonable at first despite the lack of documentation but dealing with the >> slowness in waiting for a pull request got to be a pain so I dumped >> everything and switched to django-allauth. >> >> Haystack - by the time I'd give a talk I will probably blah blah a little >> about that and elasticsearch or whatever happens int he next few days. who >> knows. >> >> gunicorn - I've already blah blah blahed about this in the other mailing >> list thread, so I might say one sentence about it. >> >> I think all of the above is more on topic for djangonauts than chipy and >> they do end up coming up in a djangonauts meeting I will invite you. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM, eviljoel wrote: >>> >>> Hey Sheila, >>> >>> I might get something out of this because I only know some very basic >>> Django. However, I suspect most people would be more interested in >>> other talks. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> eviljoel >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, sheila miguez wrote: >>> > >>> > Carl thought that a talk on what I've been working on might be >>> > interesting, >>> > but I did explain to him that it is just a django site so that there is >>> > nothing especially interesting to it. He's been debating this with me a >>> > little. >>> > >>> > What do people think? I could explain the motivations behind the >>> > project, >>> > and also discuss why I picked django, and going from a new django >>> > developer >>> > to an intermediate django developer. >>> > >>> > This could be a beginner to intermediate talk about django. >>> > >>> > I could instead maybe talk to the djangonauts user group if the topic >>> > isn't >>> > good for chipy. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > sheila >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Chicago mailing list >>> > Chicago at python.org >>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> >> >> >> -- >> sheila >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Carl K From bob.haugen at gmail.com Fri Nov 22 22:18:43 2013 From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:18:43 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Do you (or someone who wants to jump on this) have some time to help > debug the live stream setup? > > Using some flavor of VM (or a real box if you want) I apologize for my lameness, but I live in a canyon in the woods (for real), have never installed a VM, and don't have a real box that would do what is needed. Way over my head. Would take me some days to figure out how to think about it. Best if somebody with at least a half a clue goes ahead. If nobody steps up, I'll start figuring it out. From randy7771026 at gmail.com Fri Nov 22 22:46:00 2013 From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:46:00 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] UnCubed Event and Wakefield and hacks Message-ID: It seems like the invite to UnCubed came via this group. If I am wrong my apoligies. It seems like there was also a request to report back if we we went. That report for me would be that the venue was extremely interesting. The presentation by Razorfish was cogent. There was very little of direct interest to people interested in Open Source or Python. The Wakefield newsletter is of mild interest in that it hits my box many times a week with various startups and I like seeing the energy even though it is not usually Chicago centric. This strip does interest me but only because my smoke alarm is mounted high on a ceiling and when we use the stove top grill it often goes off and I would have loved to have turned it off last night when I grilled a steak and vegetables. http://getwakefield.com/2013/11/22/meet-the-power-strip-that-works-with-your-phone/ As to hacks, there are many in the city and I was wondering if anyone might be interested in forming up something consistent with Python or Django emphasis. Of course my agenda would be at the beginning towards the group 2 project from our Aaron Swartz hack but that is just me and just now. There is a very nice room at Portage Grounds as well as the Cafe at City News that is convenient for me but I have been known to travel as far North as Northwestern and as far South as Pilsen for this type of confab. Randy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Sat Nov 23 01:35:54 2013 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:35:54 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are interested in Django[0], then I highly recommend becoming familiar with VM foo. it is easy enough to become proficient enough for it to solve some problems you will eventually want to solve. I use qemu and bash scripts to set them up and stuff, but I hear this is better: http://www.vagrantup.com/ like pretty much hands down everyone says use it. So start there, and work towards "install ubuntu LTS, run carl's scripts, report what happens." I suspect some sort of error. hint "After running the above two commands, you'll have a fully running virtual machine in VirtualBox running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 32-bit. " - http://docs.vagrantup.com/v2/getting-started/index.html Do that! That should take you less time than the Django tutorial. The only hurdle that is a bit daunting is you should go into your bios and make sure cpu virtulaization is enabled. [1][2] [0] - I mentioned Django because you did, but being able to spin up VMs can be very handy in all sorts of situations. Testing server deploy is one, but there are reasons to use them for production too. [1] After you have confirmed that your processor supports VT, you may need to enable the support: VT must be enabled in the host system BIOS. The feature may be named VT, Vanderpool Technology, Virtualization Technology, VMX, or Virtual Machine Extensions. Often, you find this setting under a Security screen in the BIOS. The location of this setting varies depending on the system vendor. [2] http://askubuntu.com/questions/103965/how-to-determine-if-cpu-vt-extensions-enabled-in-bios On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Bob Haugen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> Do you (or someone who wants to jump on this) have some time to help >> debug the live stream setup? >> >> Using some flavor of VM (or a real box if you want) > > I apologize for my lameness, but I live in a canyon in the woods (for > real), have never installed a VM, and don't have a real box that would > do what is needed. Way over my head. Would take me some days to > figure out how to think about it. Best if somebody with at least a > half a clue goes ahead. > > If nobody steps up, I'll start figuring it out. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Carl K From bob.haugen at gmail.com Sat Nov 23 02:57:52 2013 From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:57:52 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Talk on my reproducible science project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > [2] http://askubuntu.com/questions/103965/how-to-determine-if-cpu-vt-extensions-enabled-in-bios sudo kvm-ok INFO: Your CPU does not support KVM extensions KVM acceleration can NOT be used From wirth.jason at gmail.com Mon Nov 25 23:42:48 2013 From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:42:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon early bird registration almost full Message-ID: Is there any reason not to go to Pycon? No! 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