From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 01:34:13 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:34:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ALL CAPS?
In-Reply-To: <CAHUcXib1vL3RBK1f+_Z7=2zgjoCOt0EJngysJDUbFcNjytOeBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMqL=iiT+1YKk_7NJ+V1Hb5sPL5zyfXx01bOsKKmSv9XcvyHFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHUcXib1vL3RBK1f+_Z7=2zgjoCOt0EJngysJDUbFcNjytOeBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKwoybj1bB0_YRKiscb2S+JSEeovV7SHDUsOYqPrMLWrKkzj+w@mail.gmail.com>

Please note that you should rarely if ever use module level constants.
 They are most often used when interfacing with a C program that has a lot
of enums.  e.g. socket.AF_INET


On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Ryan Manly <ryan.manly at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't like it when people use them in bash but here you go...
>
> Constants
> Constants are usually defined on a module level and written in all capital
> letters with underscores separating words. Examples include MAX_OVERFLOW
> and TOTAL.
> sauce: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#naming-conventions
>
> Ryan M. Manly
> Glenbrook High Schools
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Please tell me it ain't so?
>>
>> I mentioned the other night that I did not like some variable names in a
>> template for the Rice course.  What I did not like was the all caps.  In
>> week 5s lecture though he says all caps is a Python convention for
>> constants that will not change in a program.
>>
>> I had my first negative CAPS conversation in about '88 due to needing to
>> learn to send duplex messages from a IIC when the internet was a bunch of
>> hobbiest that had phone lines that could access more than one area code and
>> set their PCs up as servers.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
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>
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From brian at imagescape.com  Fri Feb  1 15:37:26 2013
From: brian at imagescape.com (Brian Moloney)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:37:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 90, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13.1359716402.18472.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.13.1359716402.18472.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAJ_3hfrN-xJF=Co+YViozMMGMmBz9M1ewz5Zmrs6knnpnN6_Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Cezar is correct.  Everyone is welcome.  The topics can range from
beginner to advanced, but they are always interesting.  Plus there is
plenty of milling around before and after where it is easy to slide
into conversations.

Brian



> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:04:34 -0600
> From: Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Chicago Djangonauts meetup Thursday,     February
>         7th at Catapult
>
>> The Chicago Djangonauts group is holding a meetup next Thursday,
>> February 7, 2012 @ 6:30pm hosted by Procured Health at Catapult
>> Chicago (321 N. Clark St.).
>
> Brian,
>
> Are Django novices welcome or is this more a meeting for Django aficionados?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Skip Montanaro

From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Fri Feb  1 15:43:33 2013
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:43:33 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] python director of software engineering
Message-ID: <178553939948492@198.154.215.62:26>

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From jeremy at spothero.com  Fri Feb  1 16:22:55 2013
From: jeremy at spothero.com (Jeremy Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:22:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] SpotHero Hiring For Senior Level Django Position!
Message-ID: <CA+JF7O0+9aRMv=4rhNW8UhQ472Q2_p9za42zGtxjuQmmMqkf1w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Chipy Members!

It's Jeremy from the SpotHero <http://spothero.com/> team.  We are excited
to be opening up our search for a senior level Django
Developer<http://spothero.com/jobs#job-senior-python-django-developer>
and
we wanted to give the Chipy group the first stab at it.

We're looking for an engineer that is well versed in Django 1.4/1.5, not
just Python, and is super comfortable is all areas of the stack.  An ideal
candidate will also have some experience with setting up web servers, and
know a thing or two about complex scheduling algorithms.  If you're looking
for some interesting problems to solve, we have plenty.  The details of the
job can be found here:
http://spothero.com/jobs#job-senior-python-django-developer

This job is an opportunity to surround yourself with passionate innovators
building a service to reach millions of people.  We build products to solve
problems and you will see your work in the hands of thousands of customers
on a daily basis.

Feel free to pass this along to anyone you think would be interested.  They
can email me at jeremy at spothero.com or they can call 847.997.5916

Thanks!

Jeremy
-- 
Jeremy Smith
Co-Founder SpotHero <http://spothero.com> Inc.
P: 847-997-5916
On LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremysmithspothero>

Download the new SpotHero iPhone
App<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/spothero/id499097243?mt=8>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 19:06:26 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:06:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pypy
Message-ID: <CAMqL=igoxbzaoCqy2y7ZCKFo3SPJf9AuF68HuxnRRQiVVqcGww@mail.gmail.com>

I have a head cold so do not feel like doing a lot of visual focusing but
my ears and the weired and wired areas of my brain are functioning so I was
listening to the 2012 keynote and wondered if the other two talks were the
warmups he mentions toward the end or if there are two more directly pypy
subject oriented videos by him:

Keynote: David Beazley <http://pyvideo.org/video/659/keynote-david-beazley>
Event: PyCon US 2012 <http://pyvideo.org/category/17/pycon-us-2012>
Speakers: David Beazley <http://pyvideo.org/speaker/125/david-beazley>
Recorded: March 10, 2012
Language: English
<http://pyvideo.org/video/443/pycon-2011--using-python-3-to-build-a-cloud-compu>
Using Python 3 to Build a Cloud Computing Service for my Superboard
II<http://pyvideo.org/video/443/pycon-2011--using-python-3-to-build-a-cloud-compu>
Event: PyCon US 2011 <http://pyvideo.org/category/7/pycon-us-2011>
Speakers: David Beazley <http://pyvideo.org/speaker/125/david-beazley>
Recorded: March 11, 2011
Language: English
<http://pyvideo.org/video/569/vintage-1978-superboard-ii-hacking-with-some-pyth>
Vintage 1978 Superboard II hacking with some Python3 and
ZeroMQ<http://pyvideo.org/video/569/vintage-1978-superboard-ii-hacking-with-some-pyth>

I'm not sure if we're still looking for talks on Thursday, but if so, I'd
like to volunteer to give a talk about using Python to do some
retro-computing hacking involving my vintage 1978 Superboard II. It's not
exactly robotics, but it involves hardware and a lot of low-level hacking
(along with some Python3 and ZeroMQ thrown in for good measure ;-).
Event: ChiPy <http://pyvideo.org/category/14/chipy>
Speakers: David Beazley <http://pyvideo.org/speaker/125/david-beazley>
Recorded: January 13, 2011
Language: English
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  2 00:01:12 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:01:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pypy, and my apologies to Paul May
Message-ID: <CAMqL=igoXdcxcuX67BAsT5P0Ts5pwzjAhsj9u9a=LJCSq2HHYw@mail.gmail.com>

I am new to Gmail so not sure this got through to ChiPy or just to Paul
May.  I have just watched three hours of archives on the Python GIL and
will watch two more if no one interrupts me with where the talks are for
pypy.

Dr. Sibley would be proud.


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> I have a head cold so do not feel like doing a lot of visual focusing but
> my ears and the weired and wired areas of my brain are functioning so I was
> listening to the 2012 keynote and wondered if the other two talks were the
> warmups he mentions toward the end or if there are two more directly pypy
> subject oriented videos by him:
>
> Keynote: David Beazley<http://pyvideo.org/video/659/keynote-david-beazley>
> Event: PyCon US 2012 <http://pyvideo.org/category/17/pycon-us-2012>
> Speakers: David Beazley <http://pyvideo.org/speaker/125/david-beazley>
> Recorded: March 10, 2012
> Language: English
> <http://pyvideo.org/video/443/pycon-2011--using-python-3-to-build-a-cloud-compu>
> Using Python 3 to Build a Cloud Computing Service for my Superboard II<http://pyvideo.org/video/443/pycon-2011--using-python-3-to-build-a-cloud-compu>
> Event: PyCon US 2011 <http://pyvideo.org/category/7/pycon-us-2011>
> Speakers: David Beazley <http://pyvideo.org/speaker/125/david-beazley>
> Recorded: March 11, 2011
> Language: English
> <http://pyvideo.org/video/569/vintage-1978-superboard-ii-hacking-with-some-pyth>
> Vintage 1978 Superboard II hacking with some Python3 and ZeroMQ<http://pyvideo.org/video/569/vintage-1978-superboard-ii-hacking-with-some-pyth>
>
> I'm not sure if we're still looking for talks on Thursday, but if so, I'd
> like to volunteer to give a talk about using Python to do some
> retro-computing hacking involving my vintage 1978 Superboard II. It's not
> exactly robotics, but it involves hardware and a lot of low-level hacking
> (along with some Python3 and ZeroMQ thrown in for good measure ;-).
> Event: ChiPy <http://pyvideo.org/category/14/chipy>
> Speakers: David Beazley <http://pyvideo.org/speaker/125/david-beazley>
> Recorded: January 13, 2011
> Language: English
>
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 07:21:37 2013
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:21:37 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] CHIRP Radio is looking for Python devs (freelance
	opportunity)
Message-ID: <CA+VOWAG_1pKenBMGbXu4Ro-uCHKe8k_e5hA_8w6yt8Cep6myKg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Chipynauts, if you are available for freelance, take a look at this:

http://v2.chirpradio.org/developer

Send an email to chirp at chirpradio.org if you are interested.

~

CHIRP Radio, a non-profit Internet radio station, is looking for a software
developer to give its music department greater control over CHIRP's vast
digital library (currently ~2TB of MP3s). We're looking for help to expand
our automated import process and to expand our web frontend to control the
management of the library.

CHIRP DJs use Traktor Pro (v1.2.7) to play music on-air in tandem with a
Python-based Google App Engine website [1] to browse the collection.
Another Python system [2] runs on a Linux (Ubuntu) server to watch for
incoming files, extract / verify metadata, add them to the Traktor library
NML file, and update the App Engine datastore. Music Dept staff use a
simple web frontend [3] to manage imports into the digital library. Each
system has a full suite of unit tests and also documentation. All tools are
developed in the open and are Apache licensed for community collaboration.

The ideal developer will work with CHIRP staff to identify user stories and
priorities, accompany all code changes with automated tests and
documentation, and will recommend backend and UI solutions for each problem.

   1. The DJ tools website: https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio
   2. The importer scripts: https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-machine
   3. Web frontend to manage digital library:
   https://github.com/chirpradio/chirpradio-webcontrol

 *Key skills required:*

   - Familiarity with the Python Django framework
   - Proficiency in automated testing
   - Knowledge of Linux, shell permissions, security, etc
   - CSS/HTML, familiarity with Twitter's bootstrap

 *Primary Objectives:*

   -     Create a straightforward, easy-to-use visual front-end that allows
   the music department staff to import music to the digital library at will,
   without need for the command line interface or the assistance of one of the
   tech department
   -     Through that same front-end and/or the DJ Database, enable the
   music department staff to delete music from the digital library at will
   -     Through that same front end and/or the DJ Database, enable the
   music department to modify existing MP3 metadata

 *Secondary Objectives* (Upgrades to the DJ Database):

   -     Add GUI drop-down menus to advanced search so that text commands
   are not necessary
   -     Add a feature to allow linked search results between related
   artists
   -     Correct the error that causes compilations not to show up in
   artist search results

 *If you are interested in this opportunity, please send your CV, hourly
rate information, and a paragraph or two on why you are interested to
CHIRP at chirpradio.org.*
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 17:35:52 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:35:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dave Beasley, pyvideo.org, cards
Message-ID: <CAMqL=igsPG25O0-QaYwazFcK0iqUDD1SDbuPCN=98jJs--=GEQ@mail.gmail.com>

I finished watching all of Dave Beasley videos on pyvideo.org but the other
two were about creating instances of an emulator for the Superboard II
using 3.  I guess I should visit his site.  The next exercise in the Rice
class is for a game of memory so will be a nice start for me to hack away
on one of the anythings in my own personal wish list which is a free cell
game that does a few things I think I would enjoy.  Does anyone know of an
open source for some nice but not too nice to slow down too much deck of
cards?
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 18:03:32 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:03:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dave Beasley, pyvideo.org, cards
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ighYi1hSawT8+BVGrXzNvMXStoBtqG+qtFD3=Ru0R2=Jw@mail.gmail.com>

I finished watching all of Dave Beasley videos on pyvideo.org but the other
two were about creating instances of an emulator for the Superboard II
using 3.  I guess I should visit his site.  The next exercise in the Rice
class is for a game of memory so will be a nice start for me to hack away
on one of the anythings in my own personal wish list which is a free cell
game that does a few things I think I would enjoy.  Does anyone know of an
open source for some nice but not too nice to slow down too much deck of
cards?

Randy
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 19:30:17 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:30:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
Message-ID: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Was looking to follow some Chipy folk and it might be interesting to see
what people are working on. Mine is http://github.com/emperorcezar/
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 19:58:58 2013
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:58:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zksAFAxx2rpszyMZbG2Y-kbdSBjGHrp88462j+8FGswXw@mail.gmail.com>

Mine is http://github.com/zitterbewegung

---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung



On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Was looking to follow some Chipy folk and it might be interesting to see
> what people are working on. Mine is http://github.com/emperorcezar/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 20:03:25 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:03:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>

Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
next meeting still, right?

What needs done before then?
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 20:19:52 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:19:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Website
Message-ID: <CAN6vQquu0FDBwn673xwLC0U2q4OO0uThrS282Jup1JVNc68Wtw@mail.gmail.com>

Changed topic,

Like I said before, It's ready. Doesn't do anonymous rsvps just quite yet,
that can be done after release though if need be. (The UI for it is there,
I just have to make it email)


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
> next meeting still, right?
>
> What needs done before then?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From special.kevin at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 20:26:22 2013
From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:26:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Website
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQquu0FDBwn673xwLC0U2q4OO0uThrS282Jup1JVNc68Wtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquu0FDBwn673xwLC0U2q4OO0uThrS282Jup1JVNc68Wtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOLFpgvshFTPx2A_0c+yFN-sDDmBa0D-FkXbZ+BQANJtDVkDQA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any testing or docs that need to be written before it to pushed
out to replace the current site?


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Changed topic,
>
> Like I said before, It's ready. Doesn't do anonymous rsvps just quite yet,
> that can be done after release though if need be. (The UI for it is there,
> I just have to make it email)
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
>> next meeting still, right?
>>
>> What needs done before then?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 20:28:22 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Website
In-Reply-To: <CAOLFpgvshFTPx2A_0c+yFN-sDDmBa0D-FkXbZ+BQANJtDVkDQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquu0FDBwn673xwLC0U2q4OO0uThrS282Jup1JVNc68Wtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOLFpgvshFTPx2A_0c+yFN-sDDmBa0D-FkXbZ+BQANJtDVkDQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqvbToOJQbqHrsrLU71+mZakCBvUjRt+BVf92qK+vBAH3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just some clicking around testing. Other than the RSVPs, all the
interaction is for Admins.

There is a chance that the Heroku instance might be missing a migration,
but I don't think so.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Kevin Harriss <special.kevin at gmail.com>wrote:

> Is there any testing or docs that need to be written before it to pushed
> out to replace the current site?
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
> emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Changed topic,
>>
>> Like I said before, It's ready. Doesn't do anonymous rsvps just quite
>> yet, that can be done after release though if need be. (The UI for it is
>> there, I just have to make it email)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at
>>> the next meeting still, right?
>>>
>>> What needs done before then?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 21:38:57 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:38:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dave Beasley, pyvideo.org, cards
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ij-d7cE01xes2EB3QWGFP3SzToR3P4=q=5=c9Mqo+bt-A@mail.gmail.com>

I finished watching all of Dave Beasley videos on pyvideo.org but the other
two were not about the GIL or about pypy but about creating instances of an
emulator for the Superboard II using 3.  I guess I should visit his site.
 The next exercise in the Rice class is for a game of memory so will be a
nice start for me to hack away on one of the anythings in my own personal
wish list which is a free cell game that does a few things I think I would
enjoy.  Does anyone know of an open source for some nice but not too nice
to slow down too much deck of cards?

If this is the third time some of you are seeing this I apologize.  Does
the listserve send me a copy of what I send to it?
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From brian at python.org  Mon Feb  4 21:51:59 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:51:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dave Beasley, pyvideo.org, cards
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=ij-d7cE01xes2EB3QWGFP3SzToR3P4=q=5=c9Mqo+bt-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMqL=ij-d7cE01xes2EB3QWGFP3SzToR3P4=q=5=c9Mqo+bt-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqnnA-r3yQoJZ4d_CW3AbBqhAs-RYOXuPCqG4SUH8uhgg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I finished watching all of Dave Beasley videos on pyvideo.org but the other
> two were not about the GIL or about pypy but about creating instances of an
> emulator for the Superboard II using 3.  I guess I should visit his site.
> The next exercise in the Rice class is for a game of memory so will be a
> nice start for me to hack away on one of the anythings in my own personal
> wish list which is a free cell game that does a few things I think I would
> enjoy.  Does anyone know of an open source for some nice but not too nice to
> slow down too much deck of cards?
>
> If this is the third time some of you are seeing this I apologize.  Does the
> listserve send me a copy of what I send to it?

There's an option for that in the mailman setup. See
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From tottinge at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 22:01:59 2013
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:01:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN2NSt=+Oycp1=275rR=s3dR2TAQ78b8+H3_LE9j2f9V+VS8Cg@mail.gmail.com>

https://github.com/tottinge


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
> next meeting still, right?
>
> What needs done before then?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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-------------------------------------
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Mon Feb  4 22:14:16 2013
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:14:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CAN2NSt=+Oycp1=275rR=s3dR2TAQ78b8+H3_LE9j2f9V+VS8Cg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN2NSt=+Oycp1=275rR=s3dR2TAQ78b8+H3_LE9j2f9V+VS8Cg@mail.gmail.com>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 22:04:31 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:04:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dave Beasley, pyvideo.org, cards
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqnnA-r3yQoJZ4d_CW3AbBqhAs-RYOXuPCqG4SUH8uhgg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAD+XWwqnnA-r3yQoJZ4d_CW3AbBqhAs-RYOXuPCqG4SUH8uhgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=iiRioJQ1-MyxHZAQiXPvTZHAnYU9wV0U-PqKVZh9UX3VA@mail.gmail.com>

*Receive your own posts to the list?*

Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If
you don't want to receive this copy, set this option to *No*.
No
Yes


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I finished watching all of Dave Beasley videos on pyvideo.org but the
> other
> > two were not about the GIL or about pypy but about creating instances of
> an
> > emulator for the Superboard II using 3.  I guess I should visit his site.
> > The next exercise in the Rice class is for a game of memory so will be a
> > nice start for me to hack away on one of the anythings in my own personal
> > wish list which is a free cell game that does a few things I think I
> would
> > enjoy.  Does anyone know of an open source for some nice but not too
> nice to
> > slow down too much deck of cards?
> >
> > If this is the third time some of you are seeing this I apologize.  Does
> the
> > listserve send me a copy of what I send to it?
>
> There's an option for that in the mailman setup. See
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From sean.michael.farley at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 22:25:52 2013
From: sean.michael.farley at gmail.com (Sean Farley)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:25:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
> next meeting still, right?
>
> What needs done before then?

What about having a pool of github / bitbucket usernames on the
website? Maybe even a stream of aggregated activity that can be shown
as well?

From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 22:36:13 2013
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:36:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB32_MNEty4Q6s6jhE=OsjXq1ZorNG97n6ZomSc0RvxgeyNYSw@mail.gmail.com>

Sometime back I started gathering this data, but it didn't get far  ...
bumping up the old link (gdocs form)

http://bit.ly/YydL72



On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Sean Farley
<sean.michael.farley at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
> > next meeting still, right?
> >
> > What needs done before then?
>
> What about having a pool of github / bitbucket usernames on the
> website? Maybe even a stream of aggregated activity that can be shown
> as well?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Cheers,
T
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 22:39:09 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:39:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqt4KFyc7_i_mgSL3-KEZcnY62fQm7=jntEUT7VFOKnZJg@mail.gmail.com>

One of my plans is to list your github link if you're signed in using
github. Not hard to do, just have to do it.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Sean Farley
<sean.michael.farley at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
> > next meeting still, right?
> >
> > What needs done before then?
>
> What about having a pool of github / bitbucket usernames on the
> website? Maybe even a stream of aggregated activity that can be shown
> as well?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 22:41:53 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:41:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ih6xCC014QmMq-uSi1P=FkVguOrPk4FKxpK_a=ZTEatBQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have an account but got to the point of not having pip and went off to do
other things.

randy7771026


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Sean Farley
<sean.michael.farley at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
> > next meeting still, right?
> >
> > What needs done before then?
>
> What about having a pool of github / bitbucket usernames on the
> website? Maybe even a stream of aggregated activity that can be shown
> as well?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From dnfehrenbach at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 23:04:54 2013
From: dnfehrenbach at gmail.com (Daniel Fehrenbach)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:04:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=ih6xCC014QmMq-uSi1P=FkVguOrPk4FKxpK_a=ZTEatBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ih6xCC014QmMq-uSi1P=FkVguOrPk4FKxpK_a=ZTEatBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAATXiX+jv7ZhiLMy7euQBqrL5WuuJXxjsGKOQO6gs9yEodRSWQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://github.com/dnfehren, maybe putting it out here will actually
inspire me to use it more often.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have an account but got to the point of not having pip and went off to do
> other things.
>
> randy7771026
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Sean Farley <sean.michael.farley at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at
>> > the
>> > next meeting still, right?
>> >
>> > What needs done before then?
>>
>> What about having a pool of github / bitbucket usernames on the
>> website? Maybe even a stream of aggregated activity that can be shown
>> as well?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 23:07:36 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:07:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CAATXiX+jv7ZhiLMy7euQBqrL5WuuJXxjsGKOQO6gs9yEodRSWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ih6xCC014QmMq-uSi1P=FkVguOrPk4FKxpK_a=ZTEatBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATXiX+jv7ZhiLMy7euQBqrL5WuuJXxjsGKOQO6gs9yEodRSWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38sNJ66LYGw3xgTCSZe+WCzWU8rpbOG9Das5hSACp2833g@mail.gmail.com>

I must admit it is growing on me:   https://github.com/brianray

... like a fungus.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com>wrote:

> https://github.com/dnfehren, maybe putting it out here will actually
> inspire me to use it more often.
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have an account but got to the point of not having pip and went off to
> do
> > other things.
> >
> > randy7771026
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Sean Farley <
> sean.michael.farley at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at
> >> > the
> >> > next meeting still, right?
> >> >
> >> > What needs done before then?
> >>
> >> What about having a pool of github / bitbucket usernames on the
> >> website? Maybe even a stream of aggregated activity that can be shown
> >> as well?
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From special.kevin at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 23:11:48 2013
From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:11:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOLFpgsK2y_XdkNn824yzHFXnGK9KDjpD7YrgmBCHuGo5fDxww@mail.gmail.com>

Cezar, pretty sure you already follow me but for anyone else interested
here is my github https://github.com/specialkevin


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Was looking to follow some Chipy folk and it might be interesting to see
> what people are working on. Mine is http://github.com/emperorcezar/
>
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From ken at stox.org  Mon Feb  4 23:23:39 2013
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth Stox)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:23:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sNJ66LYGw3xgTCSZe+WCzWU8rpbOG9Das5hSACp2833g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ih6xCC014QmMq-uSi1P=FkVguOrPk4FKxpK_a=ZTEatBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATXiX+jv7ZhiLMy7euQBqrL5WuuJXxjsGKOQO6gs9yEodRSWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38sNJ66LYGw3xgTCSZe+WCzWU8rpbOG9Das5hSACp2833g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1360016619.4357.0.camel@cerebrus>

Well, we always knew you were a Fun Guy. 

[ ducks ]

On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 16:07 -0600, Brian Ray wrote:
> I must admit it is growing on me:   https://github.com/brianray
> 
> 
> ... like a fungus. 





From bob.haugen at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 23:48:41 2013
From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:48:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Svw0XZg+k6JOxOxCC=S7+33D4E2KSV+R8cm_W1fb6h4SbzhQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don't live in Chicago anymore, but attended some Chipy and Chicago
Djangonauts meetings and still consider this to be my Python port of
call.

https://github.com/bhaugen and
https://github.com/valnet

From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 00:05:17 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:05:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <1360016619.4357.0.camel@cerebrus>
References: <CAN6vQquqqtF-KXCG9MK9rKc60R5X-weh5bLv+M4Hmuz_4t+JxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAATXiX+jv7ZhiLMy7euQBqrL5WuuJXxjsGKOQO6gs9yEodRSWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38sNJ66LYGw3xgTCSZe+WCzWU8rpbOG9Das5hSACp2833g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Kenneth Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:

> Well, we always knew you were a Fun Guy.
>


Ahh, my new pen name, Mr. Fun Guss.

On a side note, someone mentioned sourceforge the other day and the fact it
is still around. Who has a sourceforge account?

-- 
Brian Ray
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From orblivion at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 00:38:14 2013
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:38:14 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tf=9n7qf_xxzEVLGk_xUXrkSsZ-Jv6Eeb6qTeeTpfTqQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANH+MCiHV-PWWO1nZffhsNTwdYcid2ukCWNqLR0RxiUuue_qzA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAATXiX+jv7ZhiLMy7euQBqrL5WuuJXxjsGKOQO6gs9yEodRSWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Pretty much what Bob said.

https://github.com/orblivion and what the heck https://gitorious.org/~orblivion

Full of unfinished stuff and one-off contributions to open source
projects. Fun fact: I once contributed a character to a docstring in
Django. I think the only thing worth looking at is the Haskell Synth.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Kenneth Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:
>>
>> Well, we always knew you were a Fun Guy.
>
>
>
> Ahh, my new pen name, Mr. Fun Guss.
>
> On a side note, someone mentioned sourceforge the other day and the fact it
> is still around. Who has a sourceforge account?
>
> --
> Brian Ray
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  5 01:08:07 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:08:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
Message-ID: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Based on the thread asking for people's GitHub info, there seem to be some
GitHub experts here.  Indulge me for a moment to ask a question about
GitHub and what it can "do for me." (In my defense, SpamBayes is a
Python-based project.)

I'm one of the SpamBayes developers (http://www.spambayes.org/), but we
have all moved onto other things.  Consequently, it's been pretty dormant
for at least three or four years.  The bulk of the infrequent questions
sent to the spambayes at python.org mailing list these days relate to the
Outlook plugin which Mark Hammond, Tim Peters and Tony Meyer developed.  (I
think it's telling that Outlook users still have no better spam filtering
solution than a long dormant open source tool, but that's a conversation
for another day.)  As you probably know, Windows hasn't stood still over
the past few years.  We've had Windows 7, Windows 8, 64-bit versions of
Outlook, and who knows what all else.  Consequently, it can be challenging
for your typical Windows user to get SpamBayes installed and functioning,
if, in fact, they even can.  More commonly, people upgrade their OS or
Outlook versions and find SpamBayes stops working.

During a recent thread about SpamBayes' (lack of) Windows support, one
correspondent wrote:

*This is where you officially move the project(s) to GitHub and pay
attention to pull requests.  You're more likely to get people contributing
on GitHub than SourceForge.  Forking, modifying, and submitting pull
requests is just as easy as merging and accepting the pull request into the
main branch.  If you don't want to do any development (the hard part
anyway), the key is to stay on top of pull requests and don't let them sit
around in the queue for more than a couple weeks.  The work on your end
becomes rather minimal - taking more of a hands-off managerial role.*

It seemed to me that the author was suggesting that if I would just move
the project to GitHub, all my cares will disappear.  Elves with Windows
experience will sneak into my workshop at night and solve all my problems,
leaving pull requests for me to respond to in the morning.  As you might
expect, I'm just a little skeptical.


What do the assembled GitHub experts think?  Will Windows elves magically
appear to fix Windows support if I simply move SpamBayes from SourceForge
to GitHub?  Where will these pull requests come from?  Do I need to come up
with a clever Super Bowl commercial to attract developers?

Thanks,

Skip
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 01:37:40 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:37:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Will it solve all your problems? No. Will you get pull requests? Yes.

Github makes it orders of magnitude easier to contribute to a project. IF
someone is there to actually go through and merge in the pull requests.

I became a maintainer of Django-recurrence because it was on launchpad and
I just pulled down the code and put it on Github. All the sudden I was
getting pull requests and interest in the project.

People can litteraly edit code using the web interface and create a pull
request. If I have to svn down your code from Sourceforge, create a patch,
then email someone, it's not going to happen. It's not a few button pushes
away.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> Based on the thread asking for people's GitHub info, there seem to be some
> GitHub experts here.  Indulge me for a moment to ask a question about
> GitHub and what it can "do for me." (In my defense, SpamBayes is a
> Python-based project.)
>
> I'm one of the SpamBayes developers (http://www.spambayes.org/), but we
> have all moved onto other things.  Consequently, it's been pretty dormant
> for at least three or four years.  The bulk of the infrequent questions
> sent to the spambayes at python.org mailing list these days relate to the
> Outlook plugin which Mark Hammond, Tim Peters and Tony Meyer developed.  (I
> think it's telling that Outlook users still have no better spam filtering
> solution than a long dormant open source tool, but that's a conversation
> for another day.)  As you probably know, Windows hasn't stood still over
> the past few years.  We've had Windows 7, Windows 8, 64-bit versions of
> Outlook, and who knows what all else.  Consequently, it can be challenging
> for your typical Windows user to get SpamBayes installed and functioning,
> if, in fact, they even can.  More commonly, people upgrade their OS or
> Outlook versions and find SpamBayes stops working.
>
> During a recent thread about SpamBayes' (lack of) Windows support, one
> correspondent wrote:
>
> *This is where you officially move the project(s) to GitHub and pay
> attention to pull requests.  You're more likely to get people contributing
> on GitHub than SourceForge.  Forking, modifying, and submitting pull
> requests is just as easy as merging and accepting the pull request into the
> main branch.  If you don't want to do any development (the hard part
> anyway), the key is to stay on top of pull requests and don't let them sit
> around in the queue for more than a couple weeks.  The work on your end
> becomes rather minimal - taking more of a hands-off managerial role.*
>
> It seemed to me that the author was suggesting that if I would just move
> the project to GitHub, all my cares will disappear.  Elves with Windows
> experience will sneak into my workshop at night and solve all my problems,
> leaving pull requests for me to respond to in the morning.  As you might
> expect, I'm just a little skeptical.
>
>
> What do the assembled GitHub experts think?  Will Windows elves magically
> appear to fix Windows support if I simply move SpamBayes from SourceForge
> to GitHub?  Where will these pull requests come from?  Do I need to come up
> with a clever Super Bowl commercial to attract developers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Skip
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Tue Feb  5 01:44:58 2013
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:44:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 01:46:36 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:46:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
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	<CANKg38txd9FFVTUaN8t-ry1sbanUcJ4TxLKKmEiwgskEyvzNWw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAMqL=ih6xCC014QmMq-uSi1P=FkVguOrPk4FKxpK_a=ZTEatBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATXiX+jv7ZhiLMy7euQBqrL5WuuJXxjsGKOQO6gs9yEodRSWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I do have a SourceForge account. I had to go and reset the password. Note
that they have a silent max password lenght. I tried using a 50 character
password on the reset, it says it works, and can't login. So now I'm using
a shorter.

It's all in the details.

That all said, my first ever Python project is on there.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gandalf-radio/


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Kenneth Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:
>
>> Well, we always knew you were a Fun Guy.
>>
>
>
> Ahh, my new pen name, Mr. Fun Guss.
>
> On a side note, someone mentioned sourceforge the other day and the fact
> it is still around. Who has a sourceforge account?
>
> --
> Brian Ray
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  5 01:56:13 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:56:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>

> Will you get pull requests? Yes.

How?  What will motivate people to do figure out that SpamBayes needs
something if all they see is a blob of code in a Git repo?  That's
what I don't get.  If I could somehow get a note out to all
Windows-savvy Python developers on GitHub about SpamBayes' needs just
by simply moving the code base there, I suppose I *could* just sit
back and rake in the pull requests.  How does J. Random GitHub User
know anything even needs doing?  That's what I don't understand.

I should probably admit that I know nothing about GitHub other than
that it offers open source Git repos.

Skip

From orblivion at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 02:03:50 2013
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:03:50 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAWRcS-q-n7JAWKUmVT1en7E0yT=ffSeY3EfKCDAGMNYkerPxw@mail.gmail.com>

Presumably they're using your code in the first place, or are
interested in your project in the first place, and want to get
involved.

If you're talking about putting more info on there so people know what
your project is about, you can make a nice README.md using Markdown
syntax.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>> Will you get pull requests? Yes.
>
> How?  What will motivate people to do figure out that SpamBayes needs
> something if all they see is a blob of code in a Git repo?  That's
> what I don't get.  If I could somehow get a note out to all
> Windows-savvy Python developers on GitHub about SpamBayes' needs just
> by simply moving the code base there, I suppose I *could* just sit
> back and rake in the pull requests.  How does J. Random GitHub User
> know anything even needs doing?  That's what I don't understand.
>
> I should probably admit that I know nothing about GitHub other than
> that it offers open source Git repos.
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From orblivion at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 02:04:48 2013
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:04:48 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CAAWRcS-q-n7JAWKUmVT1en7E0yT=ffSeY3EfKCDAGMNYkerPxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAWRcS-q-n7JAWKUmVT1en7E0yT=ffSeY3EfKCDAGMNYkerPxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAWRcS_5OfAJpDPZ30HPDfrAL--gBGNNnEpGohwYzhCbfnDYsg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry I forgot one thing - if they're using your code and find a bug,
or want a new feature. They can fork it and add it for themselves, and
then let you know with a pull request in case you want it too.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:
> Presumably they're using your code in the first place, or are
> interested in your project in the first place, and want to get
> involved.
>
> If you're talking about putting more info on there so people know what
> your project is about, you can make a nice README.md using Markdown
> syntax.
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Will you get pull requests? Yes.
>>
>> How?  What will motivate people to do figure out that SpamBayes needs
>> something if all they see is a blob of code in a Git repo?  That's
>> what I don't get.  If I could somehow get a note out to all
>> Windows-savvy Python developers on GitHub about SpamBayes' needs just
>> by simply moving the code base there, I suppose I *could* just sit
>> back and rake in the pull requests.  How does J. Random GitHub User
>> know anything even needs doing?  That's what I don't understand.
>>
>> I should probably admit that I know nothing about GitHub other than
>> that it offers open source Git repos.
>>
>> Skip
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From jordanb at hafd.org  Tue Feb  5 02:37:38 2013
From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:37:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51106262.1080209@hafd.org>


I think the missing ingredient is twitter. Modern code hipsters upload 
their node.js blob to github and then tweet about it.

On 02/04/2013 06:56 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> Will you get pull requests? Yes.
> How?  What will motivate people to do figure out that SpamBayes needs
> something if all they see is a blob of code in a Git repo?  That's
> what I don't get.  If I could somehow get a note out to all
> Windows-savvy Python developers on GitHub about SpamBayes' needs just
> by simply moving the code base there, I suppose I *could* just sit
> back and rake in the pull requests.  How does J. Random GitHub User
> know anything even needs doing?  That's what I don't understand.
>
> I should probably admit that I know nothing about GitHub other than
> that it offers open source Git repos.
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



From steve at agilitynerd.com  Tue Feb  5 02:48:35 2013
From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:48:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKY2=Tfx+6_sTSTjnF09QkkT37CU0Oe4S9JfjP60iuqufC2ZhQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> How?  What will motivate people to do figure out that SpamBayes needs
> something if all they see is a blob of code in a Git repo?  That's
> what I don't get.  If I could somehow get a note out to all
> Windows-savvy Python developers on GitHub about SpamBayes' needs just
> by simply moving the code base there, I suppose I *could* just sit
> back and rake in the pull requests.  How does J. Random GitHub User
> know anything even needs doing?  That's what I don't understand.
>

If you want people to know what needs to be done you can create issues on
your github project too. It also lets users of the project know what the
known bugs are. If a bug really bothers someone they could start working on
it and issue you a pull request.

I've forked a couple projects for my own use and been surprised that other
people further branched my code and sent back pull requests for issues I
didn't know I had. No advertising is needed. It is the beauty of open
source development and the long tail.

Best Regards,
Steve
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 03:12:48 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 20:12:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UxMx3CORY+7xcNB4pXufpbSscifwR6LeCzRVkijiFVmcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UzSJ5b4JUCNDJ8FAZgJ=hKEVOE5obrz7D1xOpVxyvP=nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqsd_3v+22EpYGs6kAoURmna0WPwUi1E4484UVwORe4gqw@mail.gmail.com>

I think you're mistaken on how most people find projects and contribute to
them. In my opinion most people find a project because of a need. If it
doesn't work and they are developers, they will probably want to make it
work. Github makes it much much easier for them to push a button and push
those changes back to you.

Without something like Github, the barrier to contribute back is higher.

Your original post talked about the users of your project, so you already
have a community. You talk about how they need to use the project, so you
already are fullfilling a need. What you don't have is a simple way to
contribute back. You had a user suggest Github as a way to do that.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> > Will you get pull requests? Yes.
>
> How?  What will motivate people to do figure out that SpamBayes needs
> something if all they see is a blob of code in a Git repo?  That's
> what I don't get.  If I could somehow get a note out to all
> Windows-savvy Python developers on GitHub about SpamBayes' needs just
> by simply moving the code base there, I suppose I *could* just sit
> back and rake in the pull requests.  How does J. Random GitHub User
> know anything even needs doing?  That's what I don't understand.
>
> I should probably admit that I know nothing about GitHub other than
> that it offers open source Git repos.
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  5 05:14:48 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:14:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
<emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think you're mistaken on how most people find projects and contribute to
> them. In my opinion most people find a project because of a need.

That I most certainly understand.  Those of us who are/were SpamBayes
developers worked on it because it scratched an itch we had.  It's
still in use on mail.python.org (whether you realize it or not - it
provides a bit of spam filtering for most mailing lists like this one,
and serves as the only spam filtering for Usenet news messages
gatewayed to python-list at python.org).  We all used to use it.
Eventually though, our mail service providers wound up in one of three
camps:

* Some developed good spam filter technology themselves.  Gmail falls
into this category.  I presume other major big name mail providers do
as well (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc), though I have no direct experience with
them.

* Others were pressured by the above 800-pound gorillas to not simply
forward all the spam along.  Pobox.com, who provides mail forwarding
for me, falls into this category.  It was easy to provide leverage.
All the big guys had to do was threaten to start refusing mail from
those forwarding services if they didn't do what they could at the
front-end (while the SMTP connection was still open - blackhole lists,
greylisting, etc).

* They were driven out of business because they didn't do what groups
like pobox.com did.

I wound up with effectively no spam reaching my mailbox, so I had
nothing for SpamBayes to munch on.  I eventually decided that the
combination of Gmail + pobox.com was "good enough".  I suspect most
other open source developers fall into the same camp.

SpamBayes is now left with a few users who need help and are decidedly
not developers.  I doubt that most of the open source developers who
could fix the problems SpamBayes has on Windows would need its
features either.

> If it
> doesn't work and they are developers, they will probably want to make it
> work. Github makes it much much easier for them to push a button and push
> those changes back to you.

I find it unlikely that a developer for whom SpamBayes scratches no
itch is going to fix bugs.

> Without something like Github, the barrier to contribute back is higher.

But isn't that Git speaking, not necessarily GitHub?  Could I just
convert the Subversion repo at SF to Git and get the same benefit?

> Your original post talked about the users of your project, so you already
> have a community. You talk about how they need to use the project, so you
> already are fullfilling a need. What you don't have is a simple way to
> contribute back. You had a user suggest Github as a way to do that.

Yes, but the people with the problems are not developers.  The
SpamBayes developers no longer need or use the tool.  I'm left with a
community of users who can't help themselves (well, except perhaps for
this one fellow who didn't say, "move to GitHub and I'll fix your
problems", but "move to GitHub and someone else will fix your
problems"), and a community of (former) developers who no longer use
the tool and have moved on to scratch other itches.

It's unclear to me that the investment of my time in moving from
Subversion to Git (be it at GitHub, SF, or somewhere else) is going to
pay itself back.  It would be different if I was still actively
working on SpamBayes myself.  Then I would have no problem moving to
Git (or Mercurial, or Bazaar).  With no current developers, it would
seem to make little sense to move the code repository on the
off-chance that someone will find it and start contributing.

Skip

From orblivion at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 07:36:56 2013
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:36:56 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UxP6vHdseBeoXXcqPZyXyCex4rwMpR6zXU7hiHcjbCvcw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAN6vQqsKTrQY-aM=2kLrwfxGKsBSH5LH+M+5Uym5vPp-E352HQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Git does help. Github helps more, again specifically because of the
pull request feature.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
> <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think you're mistaken on how most people find projects and contribute to
>> them. In my opinion most people find a project because of a need.
>
> That I most certainly understand.  Those of us who are/were SpamBayes
> developers worked on it because it scratched an itch we had.  It's
> still in use on mail.python.org (whether you realize it or not - it
> provides a bit of spam filtering for most mailing lists like this one,
> and serves as the only spam filtering for Usenet news messages
> gatewayed to python-list at python.org).  We all used to use it.
> Eventually though, our mail service providers wound up in one of three
> camps:
>
> * Some developed good spam filter technology themselves.  Gmail falls
> into this category.  I presume other major big name mail providers do
> as well (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc), though I have no direct experience with
> them.
>
> * Others were pressured by the above 800-pound gorillas to not simply
> forward all the spam along.  Pobox.com, who provides mail forwarding
> for me, falls into this category.  It was easy to provide leverage.
> All the big guys had to do was threaten to start refusing mail from
> those forwarding services if they didn't do what they could at the
> front-end (while the SMTP connection was still open - blackhole lists,
> greylisting, etc).
>
> * They were driven out of business because they didn't do what groups
> like pobox.com did.
>
> I wound up with effectively no spam reaching my mailbox, so I had
> nothing for SpamBayes to munch on.  I eventually decided that the
> combination of Gmail + pobox.com was "good enough".  I suspect most
> other open source developers fall into the same camp.
>
> SpamBayes is now left with a few users who need help and are decidedly
> not developers.  I doubt that most of the open source developers who
> could fix the problems SpamBayes has on Windows would need its
> features either.
>
>> If it
>> doesn't work and they are developers, they will probably want to make it
>> work. Github makes it much much easier for them to push a button and push
>> those changes back to you.
>
> I find it unlikely that a developer for whom SpamBayes scratches no
> itch is going to fix bugs.
>
>> Without something like Github, the barrier to contribute back is higher.
>
> But isn't that Git speaking, not necessarily GitHub?  Could I just
> convert the Subversion repo at SF to Git and get the same benefit?
>
>> Your original post talked about the users of your project, so you already
>> have a community. You talk about how they need to use the project, so you
>> already are fullfilling a need. What you don't have is a simple way to
>> contribute back. You had a user suggest Github as a way to do that.
>
> Yes, but the people with the problems are not developers.  The
> SpamBayes developers no longer need or use the tool.  I'm left with a
> community of users who can't help themselves (well, except perhaps for
> this one fellow who didn't say, "move to GitHub and I'll fix your
> problems", but "move to GitHub and someone else will fix your
> problems"), and a community of (former) developers who no longer use
> the tool and have moved on to scratch other itches.
>
> It's unclear to me that the investment of my time in moving from
> Subversion to Git (be it at GitHub, SF, or somewhere else) is going to
> pay itself back.  It would be different if I was still actively
> working on SpamBayes myself.  Then I would have no problem moving to
> Git (or Mercurial, or Bazaar).  With no current developers, it would
> seem to make little sense to move the code repository on the
> off-chance that someone will find it and start contributing.
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 13:59:00 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 06:59:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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Just as Dan said. Git is great, Github goes even beyond that. I've
submitted few line fixes to projects without ever leaving my browser.

Here is an example of a pull request
https://github.com/saltstack/salt/pull/3582

That is much easier than joining a mailing list, making a patch, then
sending it off into the air. This will notify me, @ people, annotate lines
of code, etc, etc.

You seem very resigned to not use Github or anything else. No offense, but
the undertone I get from you is you'll find any reason you can not to
change what you're doing now. I hope you aren't just reaching for reasons
not to.

If that is the case, then that's fine, but I suggest that you put some
research into it. In your case, since you're just maintaining and not
developing so much, Github is the bigger benefit than Git.
https://github.com/features/projects


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:

> Git does help. Github helps more, again specifically because of the
> pull request feature.
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
> > <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I think you're mistaken on how most people find projects and contribute
> to
> >> them. In my opinion most people find a project because of a need.
> >
> > That I most certainly understand.  Those of us who are/were SpamBayes
> > developers worked on it because it scratched an itch we had.  It's
> > still in use on mail.python.org (whether you realize it or not - it
> > provides a bit of spam filtering for most mailing lists like this one,
> > and serves as the only spam filtering for Usenet news messages
> > gatewayed to python-list at python.org).  We all used to use it.
> > Eventually though, our mail service providers wound up in one of three
> > camps:
> >
> > * Some developed good spam filter technology themselves.  Gmail falls
> > into this category.  I presume other major big name mail providers do
> > as well (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc), though I have no direct experience with
> > them.
> >
> > * Others were pressured by the above 800-pound gorillas to not simply
> > forward all the spam along.  Pobox.com, who provides mail forwarding
> > for me, falls into this category.  It was easy to provide leverage.
> > All the big guys had to do was threaten to start refusing mail from
> > those forwarding services if they didn't do what they could at the
> > front-end (while the SMTP connection was still open - blackhole lists,
> > greylisting, etc).
> >
> > * They were driven out of business because they didn't do what groups
> > like pobox.com did.
> >
> > I wound up with effectively no spam reaching my mailbox, so I had
> > nothing for SpamBayes to munch on.  I eventually decided that the
> > combination of Gmail + pobox.com was "good enough".  I suspect most
> > other open source developers fall into the same camp.
> >
> > SpamBayes is now left with a few users who need help and are decidedly
> > not developers.  I doubt that most of the open source developers who
> > could fix the problems SpamBayes has on Windows would need its
> > features either.
> >
> >> If it
> >> doesn't work and they are developers, they will probably want to make it
> >> work. Github makes it much much easier for them to push a button and
> push
> >> those changes back to you.
> >
> > I find it unlikely that a developer for whom SpamBayes scratches no
> > itch is going to fix bugs.
> >
> >> Without something like Github, the barrier to contribute back is higher.
> >
> > But isn't that Git speaking, not necessarily GitHub?  Could I just
> > convert the Subversion repo at SF to Git and get the same benefit?
> >
> >> Your original post talked about the users of your project, so you
> already
> >> have a community. You talk about how they need to use the project, so
> you
> >> already are fullfilling a need. What you don't have is a simple way to
> >> contribute back. You had a user suggest Github as a way to do that.
> >
> > Yes, but the people with the problems are not developers.  The
> > SpamBayes developers no longer need or use the tool.  I'm left with a
> > community of users who can't help themselves (well, except perhaps for
> > this one fellow who didn't say, "move to GitHub and I'll fix your
> > problems", but "move to GitHub and someone else will fix your
> > problems"), and a community of (former) developers who no longer use
> > the tool and have moved on to scratch other itches.
> >
> > It's unclear to me that the investment of my time in moving from
> > Subversion to Git (be it at GitHub, SF, or somewhere else) is going to
> > pay itself back.  It would be different if I was still actively
> > working on SpamBayes myself.  Then I would have no problem moving to
> > Git (or Mercurial, or Bazaar).  With no current developers, it would
> > seem to make little sense to move the code repository on the
> > off-chance that someone will find it and start contributing.
> >
> > Skip
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Feb  5 15:47:37 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 08:47:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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/me rubs crystal ball...
and sees static.   I need a new crystal ball.

OK, I'll just wing it.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> I find it unlikely that a developer for whom SpamBayes scratches no
> itch is going to fix bugs.
>
>> Without something like Github, the barrier to contribute back is higher.
>

I think I see Skips problem.  He thinks (and may be correct, he sure
knows more about it than any of us do) that no one is going to
contribute regardless of how easy it is.

If that is the case, then there is no point in him putting in the
effort to migrate the project to github.   Unless github has a secret
"migrate from SF" button,  It would be enough effort to question it's
value.

I would maybe stick a message on the SF project page, something like
"If you are interested in working on this project, maybe I will move
it to github to make it easier for you.  send me an email."

What he really needs is for someone else to become an active
maintainer, and they can move it to github.

Skip, how close am I?

-- 
Carl K

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Feb  5 16:05:25 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:05:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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> I think I see Skips problem.  He thinks (and may be correct, he sure
> knows more about it than any of us do) that no one is going to
> contribute regardless of how easy it is.
...
> What he really needs is for someone else to become an active
> maintainer, and they can move it to github.
>
> Skip, how close am I?

Close.  I look at it this way.  Moving will require some work to
migrate from SF/svn to SF/git or GitHub/git, with no obvious payoff.
It's not like someone has told me, "I would be happy to fix your
Windows installer problems if SpamBayes was hosted on GitHub. It would
be so much easier for me to contribute."  My assumption at this point
is that I need to do the work up front (probably not much, but
non-zero).  Then I will have to make people aware of the project and
its needs.  (More work.) Someone else mentioned that GitHub's issue
tracker more-or-less sucks, so maybe I need to set up a tracker at
code.google.com.  (A bit more work.)  Still, there is no guarantee
anybody will come along and even see my tracker issues, much less work
on them.  Then, should any of the existing (dormant) developers want
to track progress, they will have to set up clones, maybe learn Git
from scratch, etc.

Let's assume I have no developers banging down my door to help, and I
do all the work above.  How do I make people aware of the project and
its needs within the GitHub universe?  That's what I see as the most
challenging part, unless GitHub has a button I can press which reads:
"Send a note to all GitHub folks with Windows installer and Python
experience pleading for help."

Then, let's assume I have everything set up and am ready to process
pull requests.  I no longer even use SpamBayes, so my own ability to
test other peoples' changes will be a bit compromised.

I'm really not trying to be dense or difficult here.  I am hesitant to
put any effort into this without at least seeing that there might be a
path from A to B.

Skip

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 16:18:56 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:18:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <5110560A.9050905@threecrickets.com>
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I think this use to be the case. These days I've found it more than
adequate. It's a stright forward form, and you can "watch" it to get
updates. Not sure it could get much simpler than
http://cl.ly/image/1H2w1F0z3x2r


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  Yes.
>
> The disadvantage of GitHub is its abominable issue system. It makes it
> hard for people to open bugs, harder for you track them, etc. So, while you
> may get more code contributions on GitHub, you will get fewer bug reports
> from users who have trouble (and can't be bothered to patch, fork/pull, and
> generally learn git).
>
> I use git, but host all my projects on Google Code. The reason is Google
> Code's dead simple issue system: it is by far the easiest to use. If anyone
> cares about an issue, they just "star" it and get updates. Very easy to
> report a bug or see all open issues on a project and their current status.
>
> It is also possible to use a hybrid system. I've seen a lot of projects
> use Google Code's issue system while hosting the repository on GitHub. I
> personally find it awkward.
>
> Google Code has also made it easier recently to clone gits, but they yet
> to implement something as marvelous as GitHub pull requests.
>
> -Tal
>
>
> On 02/04/2013 06:37 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins wrote:
>
> Will it solve all your problems? No. Will you get pull requests? Yes.
>
>  Github makes it orders of magnitude easier to contribute to a project.
> IF someone is there to actually go through and merge in the pull requests.
>
>  I became a maintainer of Django-recurrence because it was on launchpad
> and I just pulled down the code and put it on Github. All the sudden I was
> getting pull requests and interest in the project.
>
>  People can litteraly edit code using the web interface and create a pull
> request. If I have to svn down your code from Sourceforge, create a patch,
> then email someone, it's not going to happen. It's not a few button pushes
> away.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Based on the thread asking for people's GitHub info, there seem to be
>> some GitHub experts here.  Indulge me for a moment to ask a question about
>> GitHub and what it can "do for me." (In my defense, SpamBayes is a
>> Python-based project.)
>>
>> I'm one of the SpamBayes developers (http://www.spambayes.org/), but we
>> have all moved onto other things.  Consequently, it's been pretty dormant
>> for at least three or four years.  The bulk of the infrequent questions
>> sent to the spambayes at python.org mailing list these days relate to the
>> Outlook plugin which Mark Hammond, Tim Peters and Tony Meyer developed.  (I
>> think it's telling that Outlook users still have no better spam filtering
>> solution than a long dormant open source tool, but that's a conversation
>> for another day.)  As you probably know, Windows hasn't stood still over
>> the past few years.  We've had Windows 7, Windows 8, 64-bit versions of
>> Outlook, and who knows what all else.  Consequently, it can be challenging
>> for your typical Windows user to get SpamBayes installed and functioning,
>> if, in fact, they even can.  More commonly, people upgrade their OS or
>> Outlook versions and find SpamBayes stops working.
>>
>> During a recent thread about SpamBayes' (lack of) Windows support, one
>> correspondent wrote:
>>
>> *This is where you officially move the project(s) to GitHub and pay
>> attention to pull requests.  You're more likely to get people contributing
>> on GitHub than SourceForge.  Forking, modifying, and submitting pull
>> requests is just as easy as merging and accepting the pull request into the
>> main branch.  If you don't want to do any development (the hard part
>> anyway), the key is to stay on top of pull requests and don't let them sit
>> around in the queue for more than a couple weeks.  The work on your end
>> becomes rather minimal - taking more of a hands-off managerial role.*
>>
>>  It seemed to me that the author was suggesting that if I would just move
>> the project to GitHub, all my cares will disappear.  Elves with Windows
>> experience will sneak into my workshop at night and solve all my problems,
>> leaving pull requests for me to respond to in the morning.  As you might
>> expect, I'm just a little skeptical.
>>
>>
>>  What do the assembled GitHub experts think?  Will Windows elves
>> magically appear to fix Windows support if I simply move SpamBayes from
>> SourceForge to GitHub?  Where will these pull requests come from?  Do I
>> need to come up with a clever Super Bowl commercial to attract developers?
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  Skip
>>
>>
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From orblivion at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 16:19:21 2013
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 07:19:21 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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I think there's a reasonable option of going through the work of
moving to SF/git, and then cloning it and putting it on Github, making
a note in the README that you don't want people to track issues on
Github, go back to SourceForge for that. And stopping there. If people
really want to do pull requests on Github they'll do it, and then you
can pull those changes from Github back into SF. That flexibility is
the nice thing about Git. If enough people use Github's pull requests,
that should be enough evidence that you should switch. (of course
you'd have to account for those people who might have gone along with
SF if that were the only option. But, if the amount of help increases
overall, that may be the signal you need.)

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>> I think I see Skips problem.  He thinks (and may be correct, he sure
>> knows more about it than any of us do) that no one is going to
>> contribute regardless of how easy it is.
> ...
>> What he really needs is for someone else to become an active
>> maintainer, and they can move it to github.
>>
>> Skip, how close am I?
>
> Close.  I look at it this way.  Moving will require some work to
> migrate from SF/svn to SF/git or GitHub/git, with no obvious payoff.
> It's not like someone has told me, "I would be happy to fix your
> Windows installer problems if SpamBayes was hosted on GitHub. It would
> be so much easier for me to contribute."  My assumption at this point
> is that I need to do the work up front (probably not much, but
> non-zero).  Then I will have to make people aware of the project and
> its needs.  (More work.) Someone else mentioned that GitHub's issue
> tracker more-or-less sucks, so maybe I need to set up a tracker at
> code.google.com.  (A bit more work.)  Still, there is no guarantee
> anybody will come along and even see my tracker issues, much less work
> on them.  Then, should any of the existing (dormant) developers want
> to track progress, they will have to set up clones, maybe learn Git
> from scratch, etc.
>
> Let's assume I have no developers banging down my door to help, and I
> do all the work above.  How do I make people aware of the project and
> its needs within the GitHub universe?  That's what I see as the most
> challenging part, unless GitHub has a button I can press which reads:
> "Send a note to all GitHub folks with Windows installer and Python
> experience pleading for help."
>
> Then, let's assume I have everything set up and am ready to process
> pull requests.  I no longer even use SpamBayes, so my own ability to
> test other peoples' changes will be a bit compromised.
>
> I'm really not trying to be dense or difficult here.  I am hesitant to
> put any effort into this without at least seeing that there might be a
> path from A to B.
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 16:38:03 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:38:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
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IPython talk said they had ported to Github.  Talks slide on the
http://sourceforge.net/projects/matplotlib/files/matplotlib/

for the gallery though.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com
> wrote:

> I do have a SourceForge account. I had to go and reset the password. Note
> that they have a silent max password lenght. I tried using a 50 character
> password on the reset, it says it works, and can't login. So now I'm using
> a shorter.
>
> It's all in the details.
>
> That all said, my first ever Python project is on there.
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gandalf-radio/
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Kenneth Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, we always knew you were a Fun Guy.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ahh, my new pen name, Mr. Fun Guss.
>>
>> On a side note, someone mentioned sourceforge the other day and the fact
>> it is still around. Who has a sourceforge account?
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>>
>>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Feb  5 16:39:49 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:39:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>> I think I see Skips problem.  He thinks (and may be correct, he sure
>> knows more about it than any of us do) that no one is going to
>> contribute regardless of how easy it is.
> ...
>> What he really needs is for someone else to become an active
>> maintainer, and they can move it to github.
>>
>> Skip, how close am I?
>
> Close.  I look at it this way.  Moving will require some work to
> migrate from SF/svn to SF/git or GitHub/git, with no obvious payoff.
> It's not like someone has told me, "I would be happy to fix your
> Windows installer problems if SpamBayes was hosted on GitHub. It would
> be so much easier for me to contribute."  My assumption at this point
> is that I need to do the work up front (probably not much, but
> non-zero).  Then I will have to make people aware of the project and
> its needs.  (More work.) Someone else mentioned that GitHub's issue
> tracker more-or-less sucks, so maybe I need to set up a tracker at
> code.google.com.  (A bit more work.)  Still, there is no guarantee
> anybody will come along and even see my tracker issues, much less work
> on them.  Then, should any of the existing (dormant) developers want
> to track progress, they will have to set up clones, maybe learn Git
> from scratch, etc.
>
> Let's assume I have no developers banging down my door to help, and I
> do all the work above.  How do I make people aware of the project and
> its needs within the GitHub universe?  That's what I see as the most
> challenging part, unless GitHub has a button I can press which reads:
> "Send a note to all GitHub folks with Windows installer and Python
> experience pleading for help."
>
> Then, let's assume I have everything set up and am ready to process
> pull requests.  I no longer even use SpamBayes, so my own ability to
> test other peoples' changes will be a bit compromised.
>
> I'm really not trying to be dense or difficult here.  I am hesitant to
> put any effort into this without at least seeing that there might be a
> path from A to B.
>

AH!  Everybody listen up!

Skips question (now anyway)  is not about how to handle contributions.

Skips question is: will moving to github get the project new interest?

If the answer is "No" then it doesn't matter how easy it is for 0
people to submit 0 contributions.   If the answer is "Yes" then we
need some hint as to how this works to get some feel for the
probability  that this new awareness will actually result in interest
and desire to contribute.

Like using meetup.com to RSVP for events not only manages the RSVP
list, it also gets the event noticed, and X people attend the event
because meetup was used.  That has nothing to do with how easy it is
to travel and attend the event.


-- 
Carl K

From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 16:41:26 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:41:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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And you need an image.  A video talent with no image blows my mind.


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> /me rubs crystal ball...
> and sees static.   I need a new crystal ball.
>
> OK, I'll just wing it.
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> > I find it unlikely that a developer for whom SpamBayes scratches no
> > itch is going to fix bugs.
> >
> >> Without something like Github, the barrier to contribute back is higher.
> >
>
> I think I see Skips problem.  He thinks (and may be correct, he sure
> knows more about it than any of us do) that no one is going to
> contribute regardless of how easy it is.
>
> If that is the case, then there is no point in him putting in the
> effort to migrate the project to github.   Unless github has a secret
> "migrate from SF" button,  It would be enough effort to question it's
> value.
>
> I would maybe stick a message on the SF project page, something like
> "If you are interested in working on this project, maybe I will move
> it to github to make it easier for you.  send me an email."
>
> What he really needs is for someone else to become an active
> maintainer, and they can move it to github.
>
> Skip, how close am I?
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
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From brian at python.org  Tue Feb  5 16:44:36 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:44:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>> I think I see Skips problem.  He thinks (and may be correct, he sure
>>> knows more about it than any of us do) that no one is going to
>>> contribute regardless of how easy it is.
>> ...
>>> What he really needs is for someone else to become an active
>>> maintainer, and they can move it to github.
>>>
>>> Skip, how close am I?
>>
>> Close.  I look at it this way.  Moving will require some work to
>> migrate from SF/svn to SF/git or GitHub/git, with no obvious payoff.
>> It's not like someone has told me, "I would be happy to fix your
>> Windows installer problems if SpamBayes was hosted on GitHub. It would
>> be so much easier for me to contribute."  My assumption at this point
>> is that I need to do the work up front (probably not much, but
>> non-zero).  Then I will have to make people aware of the project and
>> its needs.  (More work.) Someone else mentioned that GitHub's issue
>> tracker more-or-less sucks, so maybe I need to set up a tracker at
>> code.google.com.  (A bit more work.)  Still, there is no guarantee
>> anybody will come along and even see my tracker issues, much less work
>> on them.  Then, should any of the existing (dormant) developers want
>> to track progress, they will have to set up clones, maybe learn Git
>> from scratch, etc.
>>
>> Let's assume I have no developers banging down my door to help, and I
>> do all the work above.  How do I make people aware of the project and
>> its needs within the GitHub universe?  That's what I see as the most
>> challenging part, unless GitHub has a button I can press which reads:
>> "Send a note to all GitHub folks with Windows installer and Python
>> experience pleading for help."
>>
>> Then, let's assume I have everything set up and am ready to process
>> pull requests.  I no longer even use SpamBayes, so my own ability to
>> test other peoples' changes will be a bit compromised.
>>
>> I'm really not trying to be dense or difficult here.  I am hesitant to
>> put any effort into this without at least seeing that there might be a
>> path from A to B.
>>
>
> AH!  Everybody listen up!
>
> Skips question (now anyway)  is not about how to handle contributions.
>
> Skips question is: will moving to github get the project new interest?
>
> If the answer is "No" then it doesn't matter how easy it is for 0
> people to submit 0 contributions.   If the answer is "Yes" then we
> need some hint as to how this works to get some feel for the
> probability  that this new awareness will actually result in interest
> and desire to contribute.

The answer is between yes and no, siding towards no. If no one has
actively been contributing to it for years, Github isn't going to be
the silver bullet that has people jumping out from behind bushes to
contribute.

Without doing or saying anything as far as PR goes, you might get a
few drive-by contributors that find it easier now to fix their minor
gripes. I would be shocked if anyone said "holy crap SpamBayes is on
Github, I have 30 features ready to go right now." Without trying to
drum up activity it will just be an exercise in changing source
control tools.

From brian at python.org  Tue Feb  5 16:48:24 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:48:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
> IPython talk said they had ported to Github.  Talks slide on the
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/matplotlib/files/matplotlib/
>
> for the gallery though.

I don't know what your last sentence says, but many projects have kept
some tie to SourceForge because their binary installers have been
available there for years. This is the case with matplotlib, and if
py2exe ever moves, I bet their installers will remain on SF.

From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 16:53:12 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:53:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
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I found it interesting that our home team, Obama for America Campaign, used
Github. They were pretty technology agnostic between products, it sounds.
They would use everything from Rails to Django and Flask. The two common
points were using Github and Pivotal tracker. They also seemed to use MQs a
lot.
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 17:34:32 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:34:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
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There had been a question as to who was still using souceforge.  While
getting my mind warmed up this morning the speaker for IPython at Pycon
last year mentioned that they had put the code out on GitHub and what
benefits they got from that.

Later in the talk he was showing how you could pull code from various
galleries and this matplotlib which is on sourceforge was one of them.

...end of last sentence explanation.

Random thought this brings to mind.

There was a time when the FORTRAN ansi folks would see what was popular in
other languages and then would assimilate that functionality in their next
release.  Putting in plugs for both YouTube and pyvideo.org here there is
so much that a new person to Python can take in even if in a non-linear
fashion then build an internal dict of information for later sorting and
retrieval or by our own PostgreSQL.

...end of that thought...  now I actually came back to this thread because
I was going to go look at the archives to see how many new to Python folks
come through ChiPy and how many are still around.  The depth of talks in
some of these videos is amazing and of course I am also amazed at
the consistent attendance by many members for the last few years.


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > IPython talk said they had ported to Github.  Talks slide on the
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/matplotlib/files/matplotlib/
> >
> > for the gallery though.
>
> I don't know what your last sentence says, but many projects have kept
> some tie to SourceForge because their binary installers have been
> available there for years. This is the case with matplotlib, and if
> py2exe ever moves, I bet their installers will remain on SF.
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From pkaushik at alum.mit.edu  Tue Feb  5 17:37:54 2013
From: pkaushik at alum.mit.edu (Pallavi Anderson)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:37:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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>
> The answer is between yes and no, siding towards no. If no one has
> actively been contributing to it for years, Github isn't going to be
> the silver bullet that has people jumping out from behind bushes to
> contribute.
>
>

My experience has been 'No.'

Sheila and I worked together on an app competition project about two years
ago, that got a fair bit of media buzz, and promotion from the City.

One challenge while we were working on it was that other contributors not
familiar with git / github preferred to send me zip files of changes they
made, and I was left with the task of manually merging changes. At the time
we had a tough, immovable deadline, so any contribution helped and it
wasn't worth trying to "retrain" anyone.

After the deadline, we published the code under the most liberal CC
license, no attribution required. We have also been available to talk to
people about the code, what is good / bad / ugly, and what needs to be done
at minimum to get things up and running. I've done sessions like this a
couple times, once on request of the City, but generally the barriers to
contribution are - no real users yet, no active developer community, no
business model or company behind it. In my opinion, all of these are
opportunities for someone enterprising.

Neither of the original developers want to turn it into a business. In my
case (and this is possibly true for others), my employment agreement
prevents me from continuing to work on it *especially* if it turns into a
business.

Till date, nobody outside of the original team has contributed to the code.

I really think that the most common thing that happens to an open source
codebase anywhere is that it is ignored. Git and github marginally improve
the odds that it won't be ignored, but that's still the most likely
outcome. Just look at how many repos an average gthub user has. What % of
those are being contributed to by the community?

Now having said all that, I love git, I absolutely love github, and this
project was how I met Sheila and we became friends over the course of
working on it :)

Pallavi
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From bob.haugen at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 17:51:34 2013
From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:51:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Pallavi Anderson <pkaushik at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> I really think that the most common thing that happens to an open source
> codebase anywhere is that it is ignored. Git and github marginally improve
> the odds that it won't be ignored, but that's still the most likely outcome.

My experience too.  Two projects forked, but the forks have not done
much, nor submitted pull requests.  Yet. (Hope springs eternal...)

From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Feb  5 17:58:01 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:58:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Do you have a Github/Bitbucket account?
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ...end of that thought...  now I actually came back to this thread because I
> was going to go look at the archives to see how many new to Python folks
> come through ChiPy and how many are still around.  The depth of talks in
> some of these videos is

I'm curious about this too. Some friends and I did two beginning
python workshops for women and friends, based on what the Boston user
group did, <http://pyvideo.org/video/719/diversity-in-practice-how-the-boston-python-user>.
We've only done two so far. I think I've seen a few new people from
the workshops at some of the chipys, and I'm hoping to see more as
time goes on.

I haven't been attending the NERP monday meetings regularly, only a
few. Maybe some people who attend that group will also attend some
chipys due to interest in python and raspberry pi.



-- 
sheila

From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 19:00:48 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 12:00:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Group members, Python compententcy levels
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ihZ3qA4pxNV7yM7BWfR51vecwhLPnT-LYjfQrq06nQT4A@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure I spelled that right but I could not get spell check to complain.
 I also did not want to hi-jack the other thread.  Those who have been to
office hours with me know I am just a basic learner but I am also beginning
to see some real power can be harnessed quickly.

http://matplotlib.org/examples/mplot3d/scatter3d_demo.html

I will need to go to the Django gathering to stay on track with my attempts
to get a culture feel groups but I also have an interest in being a flunky
for any sprints or hacks that I can attend especially with the 311 or other
open.gov projects until I can see and get useful in the tools like the one
above and IPython or something like it.  The eventual usefulness in a
general since is also important to me in projects I work on.

I wonder if there is a tool for asking people to self rate in various
categories like level of math, physics and other disciplines as well as
hack qualities and library maintenance qualities and perhaps others.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ...end of that thought...  now I actually came back to this thread
> because I
> > was going to go look at the archives to see how many new to Python folks
> > come through ChiPy and how many are still around.  The depth of talks in
> > some of these videos is
>
> I'm curious about this too. Some friends and I did two beginning
> python workshops for women and friends, based on what the Boston user
> group did, <
> http://pyvideo.org/video/719/diversity-in-practice-how-the-boston-python-user
> >.
> We've only done two so far. I think I've seen a few new people from
> the workshops at some of the chipys, and I'm hoping to see more as
> time goes on.
>
> I haven't been attending the NERP monday meetings regularly, only a
> few. Maybe some people who attend that group will also attend some
> chipys due to interest in python and raspberry pi.
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From maney at two14.net  Wed Feb  6 03:15:42 2013
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:15:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 08:47:37AM -0600, Carl Karsten wrote:
> /me rubs crystal ball...
> and sees static.   I need a new crystal ball.

That or more coffee...

> What he really needs is for someone else to become an active
> maintainer, and they can move it to github.
> 
> Skip, how close am I?

>From the batch of messages I just caught up on, I'd say you're on to
something here.

-- 
The theory of multiple intelligences fundamentally conflates
intelligence and motivation.  -- Christopher J. Ferguson


From skip at pobox.com  Wed Feb  6 13:34:46 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 06:34:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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> I look at it this way.  Moving will require some work to
> migrate from SF/svn to SF/git or GitHub/git, with no obvious payoff.

Payoff or not, after a couple offline emails with Dan Krol I went ahead and
converted from svn to git and pushed to GitHub early this morning. (The
occasional bout of insomnia can sometimes be useful I guess.)

I've still yet to figure out what to do next. This is my second svn2git
conversion. Maybe I'll convert pylockfile while I try to figure out what's
next for SpamBayes.

Skip
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From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Feb  6 15:42:59 2013
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:42:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Group members, Python compententcy levels
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That might be useful. I'm pretty good with python, but didn't get there
through math and sciences routes.

My history with self-ranking in business has been that it tends to reverse
the desired effect: see "Dunning-Kruger effect"

OTOH, if the point is to state how much background you have with a topic,
how comfortable you are with it, and how interested you are in doing
more... that sounds good.


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Not sure I spelled that right but I could not get spell check to complain.
>  I also did not want to hi-jack the other thread.  Those who have been to
> office hours with me know I am just a basic learner but I am also beginning
> to see some real power can be harnessed quickly.
>
> http://matplotlib.org/examples/mplot3d/scatter3d_demo.html
>
> I will need to go to the Django gathering to stay on track with my
> attempts to get a culture feel groups but I also have an interest in being
> a flunky for any sprints or hacks that I can attend especially with the 311
> or other open.gov projects until I can see and get useful in the tools
> like the one above and IPython or something like it.  The eventual
> usefulness in a general since is also important to me in projects I work on.
>
> I wonder if there is a tool for asking people to self rate in various
> categories like level of math, physics and other disciplines as well as
> hack qualities and library maintenance qualities and perhaps others.
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > ...end of that thought...  now I actually came back to this thread
>> because I
>> > was going to go look at the archives to see how many new to Python folks
>> > come through ChiPy and how many are still around.  The depth of talks in
>> > some of these videos is
>>
>> I'm curious about this too. Some friends and I did two beginning
>> python workshops for women and friends, based on what the Boston user
>> group did, <
>> http://pyvideo.org/video/719/diversity-in-practice-how-the-boston-python-user
>> >.
>> We've only done two so far. I think I've seen a few new people from
>> the workshops at some of the chipys, and I'm hoping to see more as
>> time goes on.
>>
>> I haven't been attending the NERP monday meetings regularly, only a
>> few. Maybe some people who attend that group will also attend some
>> chipys due to interest in python and raspberry pi.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From john at mail.npxdesigns.com  Wed Feb  6 16:36:41 2013
From: john at mail.npxdesigns.com (John Jacobsen)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:36:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
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> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:37:54 -0600
> From: Pallavi Anderson <pkaushik at alum.mit.edu>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] GitHub & SpamBayes
> 
>> The answer is between yes and no, siding towards no. If no one has
>> actively been contributing to it for years, Github isn't going to be
>> the silver bullet that has people jumping out from behind bushes to
>> contribute.

I've experienced both yes and no - I've put up a few projects at http://github.com/eigenhombre and most get ignored or occasionally starred.  But last year, after taking David Beazley's "write a compiler in Python" class (which I highly recommend if you ever get a chance), I put up a simple prototype for a Clojure implementation in Python which someone found and posted on Hacker News.  That project [1] has been forked several times and a few people made substantial contributions via pull requests, despite the fact that a different implementation [2] was further along (I eventually wound up contributing to that project).

If you can get something going like that, it feels great, but it can also start to be a lot of work just to manage the pull requests.

> Now having said all that, I love git, I absolutely love github, and this
> project was how I met Sheila and we became friends over the course of
> working on it :)

+1 to loving Git and GitHub -- they have both radically changed my workflow.  After a few months of using GitHub for personal projects I moved my primary work project there as well (as a paid-for private repository); the 3-4 other programmers who contribute all send pull requests which I can review and comment on line by line before we merge in their contributions.  There are things I wish worked better (like fine-grained control over notifications) but overall it's pretty awesome and seamless.

And I love being able to fix other people's bugs with pull requests -- even if they are just documentation or English bugs.

Cheers,
John

[1] https://github.com/eigenhombre/PyClojure
[2] https://github.com/halgari/clojure-py


From brian at imagescape.com  Wed Feb  6 17:39:41 2013
From: brian at imagescape.com (Brian Moloney)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:39:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Djangonauts meetup tomorrow (RSVP Today!)
Message-ID: <CAJ_3hfq8QWm2Qt49kvtk9v+95hHKHOshnbMBwSPGz9hkR2SrRw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings ChiPy,

Reminder about tomorrow's Djangonauts meetup starting at 6:30pm at
Catapult Chicago, 321 N. Clark, Suite 2550.  Please RSVP before the
end of TODAY to ensure your name is added to the security list.

RSVP at either:
https://www.facebook.com/events/280212935438743/
http://www.chicagodjango.com and RSVP using the Contact Us form on the homepage

Talks include:

+ Jack Shedd will be giving a talk about Heroku. "If anyone's not
using it yet and/or hasn't figured out all the weirdnesses about it.
It's been my pain point for the last month or so as we moved all our
production sites to it."

+ Dustin Lacewell will be giving a talk on Django
internationalization/localization. "I will be discussing the full
range of internationalization and localization techniques related to
Django applications including localization of your database data with
Django-Multilingual, providing localizations for Django-CMS content
and the localization of your Django applications and Django itself
with Django-Rosetta."

+ Brian Moloney will be giving a brief update on DjangoCon US 2013.

The meetup is being hosted by Procured Health who is graciously
providing food and beverage.

Hope to see you there (Please RSVP ASAP).

-- 
Brian J. Moloney
Managing Partner

Imaginary Landscape, LLC
Web Design | Development | Strategy
(877) 275-9144 toll free

http://imagescape.com
http://chicagodjango.com
http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney

From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Feb  6 20:24:57 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:24:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python office hours this Thursday
Message-ID: <CAHCs_ra0kmk8DJ9jO+mrpVC33gvVOGuNPRD3meK+Yh1yc8-CJA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This week's python hack night is in memory of Aaron Swartz. I'm going
to talk for a few minutes about open science, open gov then list some
related projects that people might like to contribute to or learn
about. After talking, people can work on projects, think of potential
projects that could help improve the world, ask questions, etc.

http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/102022292/

You don't need to rsvp on meetup.

-- 
sheila

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Feb  6 22:45:09 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:45:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
Message-ID: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>

Kind of news worthy....

http://www.itworld.com/big-data/340570/python-gets-big-data-boost-darpa

Side note: I am working on the line up for next week's meeting. There will
be two parts. An open house (RSVP now http://chipy.org) and our regular
irregular meeting.

I am looking for some hackathonish type leadership for the
aaron-open-source-open-house. Do we want this to be a continuum of the work
done at PS1 (eh PS2), Sheila?

Also, if you want to go to PyCon better RSVP now because they are selling
out. ChiPy may still have help sponsor some things this year. I need to
look at the books more to see if we can swing it.

This is going to be the best ever!

Warm Regards, Brian


-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
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From brian at python.org  Wed Feb  6 22:50:59 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:50:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwoZvYurM3mF+LqE4-+9NVb24BYDYTDXjzr+fm5G9KKqfg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, if you want to go to PyCon better RSVP now because they are selling
> out.

There are exactly 30 tickets left as of 1 minute ago when I checked.

There were 50 just over an hour ago, so these last ones are moving quickly.

From a_rothenberg at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  7 01:32:47 2013
From: a_rothenberg at hotmail.com (Aaron Rothenberg)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:32:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwoZvYurM3mF+LqE4-+9NVb24BYDYTDXjzr+fm5G9KKqfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAD+XWwoZvYurM3mF+LqE4-+9NVb24BYDYTDXjzr+fm5G9KKqfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT002-W61BE939C20AAF364E13511E9060@phx.gbl>

Just joined. Is there anyway alternative way  to get a ticket to the San Jose Pycon now?? I had been planning to go. 
Thanks.

> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:50:59 -0600
> From: brian at python.org
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
> 
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Also, if you want to go to PyCon better RSVP now because they are selling
> > out.
> 
> There are exactly 30 tickets left as of 1 minute ago when I checked.
> 
> There were 50 just over an hour ago, so these last ones are moving quickly.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
 		 	   		  
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From brian at python.org  Thu Feb  7 05:13:01 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:13:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
In-Reply-To: <SNT002-W61BE939C20AAF364E13511E9060@phx.gbl>
References: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwoZvYurM3mF+LqE4-+9NVb24BYDYTDXjzr+fm5G9KKqfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT002-W61BE939C20AAF364E13511E9060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwr53OE3HtKsHfQ-dojysK6DcNDYevtESR85rCz1B4wq4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Aaron Rothenberg
<a_rothenberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just joined. Is there anyway alternative way  to get a ticket to the San
> Jose Pycon now?? I had been planning to go.

Nope, sold out a few hours ago.

From brian at python.org  Thu Feb  7 05:16:09 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:16:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwr53OE3HtKsHfQ-dojysK6DcNDYevtESR85rCz1B4wq4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwoZvYurM3mF+LqE4-+9NVb24BYDYTDXjzr+fm5G9KKqfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT002-W61BE939C20AAF364E13511E9060@phx.gbl>
	<CAD+XWwr53OE3HtKsHfQ-dojysK6DcNDYevtESR85rCz1B4wq4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqBUY=o2KkMVak4p+YnWD5NLkO7M=xyiCUTZ_wwmJRuhw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Aaron Rothenberg
> <a_rothenberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Just joined. Is there anyway alternative way  to get a ticket to the San
>> Jose Pycon now?? I had been planning to go.
>
> Nope, sold out a few hours ago.

Minor correction: Friday through Sunday, the days of the talks, are sold out.

You could still come out for the tutorials, of which there are some
awesome ones, including one by Chicago's own Dave Beazley:
https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/tutorials/

From a_rothenberg at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  7 07:24:14 2013
From: a_rothenberg at hotmail.com (Aaron Rothenberg)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 00:24:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqBUY=o2KkMVak4p+YnWD5NLkO7M=xyiCUTZ_wwmJRuhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAD+XWwoZvYurM3mF+LqE4-+9NVb24BYDYTDXjzr+fm5G9KKqfg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT002-W61BE939C20AAF364E13511E9060@phx.gbl>,
	<CAD+XWwr53OE3HtKsHfQ-dojysK6DcNDYevtESR85rCz1B4wq4g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAD+XWwqBUY=o2KkMVak4p+YnWD5NLkO7M=xyiCUTZ_wwmJRuhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT002-W104D88F59F52C19A7905EF2E9060@phx.gbl>

cant do that. Scalpers? ... probably not. Oh well. Your meetup will be my substitution.

> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:16:09 -0600
> From: brian at python.org
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
> 
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Aaron Rothenberg
> > <a_rothenberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Just joined. Is there anyway alternative way  to get a ticket to the San
> >> Jose Pycon now?? I had been planning to go.
> >
> > Nope, sold out a few hours ago.
> 
> Minor correction: Friday through Sunday, the days of the talks, are sold out.
> 
> You could still come out for the tutorials, of which there are some
> awesome ones, including one by Chicago's own Dave Beazley:
> https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/tutorials/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
 		 	   		  
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 13:41:52 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:41:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
In-Reply-To: <SNT002-W104D88F59F52C19A7905EF2E9060@phx.gbl>
References: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwoZvYurM3mF+LqE4-+9NVb24BYDYTDXjzr+fm5G9KKqfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT002-W61BE939C20AAF364E13511E9060@phx.gbl>
	<CAD+XWwr53OE3HtKsHfQ-dojysK6DcNDYevtESR85rCz1B4wq4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqBUY=o2KkMVak4p+YnWD5NLkO7M=xyiCUTZ_wwmJRuhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT002-W104D88F59F52C19A7905EF2E9060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqsLuKHrZiPFDtdNqqszGxEE+fbO+DWKS0YhTKrSWiYT+w@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure we can drink the same amount as we would at Pycon.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Aaron Rothenberg
<a_rothenberg at hotmail.com>wrote:

> cant do that. Scalpers? ... probably not. Oh well. Your meetup will be my
> substitution.
>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:16:09 -0600
>
> > From: brian at python.org
> > To: chicago at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Aaron Rothenberg
> > > <a_rothenberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Just joined. Is there anyway alternative way to get a ticket to the
> San
> > >> Jose Pycon now?? I had been planning to go.
> > >
> > > Nope, sold out a few hours ago.
> >
> > Minor correction: Friday through Sunday, the days of the talks, are sold
> out.
> >
> > You could still come out for the tutorials, of which there are some
> > awesome ones, including one by Chicago's own Dave Beazley:
> > https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/tutorials/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 16:06:34 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:06:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqsLuKHrZiPFDtdNqqszGxEE+fbO+DWKS0YhTKrSWiYT+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38s9VoxTQmNjiMetvP6OhNjzzAtgiR7n0S=ssZUijgnonA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwoZvYurM3mF+LqE4-+9NVb24BYDYTDXjzr+fm5G9KKqfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT002-W61BE939C20AAF364E13511E9060@phx.gbl>
	<CAD+XWwr53OE3HtKsHfQ-dojysK6DcNDYevtESR85rCz1B4wq4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqBUY=o2KkMVak4p+YnWD5NLkO7M=xyiCUTZ_wwmJRuhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT002-W104D88F59F52C19A7905EF2E9060@phx.gbl>
	<CAN6vQqsLuKHrZiPFDtdNqqszGxEE+fbO+DWKS0YhTKrSWiYT+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+Z0iBtr3F_EeyY30ni_pKNLpY78S8aws78=HAHmW-4OEw@mail.gmail.com>

definitely can't smoke as much.  Ah, to be in Cali!

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Not sure we can drink the same amount as we would at Pycon.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Aaron Rothenberg <
> a_rothenberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> cant do that. Scalpers? ... probably not. Oh well. Your meetup will be my
>> substitution.
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:16:09 -0600
>>
>> > From: brian at python.org
>> > To: chicago at python.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Chicago] DARPA and Python and 'import random'
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Aaron Rothenberg
>> > > <a_rothenberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> Just joined. Is there anyway alternative way to get a ticket to the
>> San
>> > >> Jose Pycon now?? I had been planning to go.
>> > >
>> > > Nope, sold out a few hours ago.
>> >
>> > Minor correction: Friday through Sunday, the days of the talks, are
>> sold out.
>> >
>> > You could still come out for the tutorials, of which there are some
>> > awesome ones, including one by Chicago's own Dave Beazley:
>> > https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/tutorials/
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Feb  7 17:05:34 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:05:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Correctional Data Camp this Saturday
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rZnH4V87EiH=SNDvJR4t8Es6MUQAUb8dFhC=SCBCQL5Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

If you are interested in civic hacking consider going to this.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Eads <davideads at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Subject: Correctional Data Camp
To: FreeGeek/Chicago Talk <freegeekchicago-talk at googlegroups.com>


Hey everyone, the cool customers of the Supreme Chi-Town Coding Crew
are holding Correctional Data Camp this weekend. We'd love to see you
there.

http://www.meetup.com/Cibola-Events-and-Meetups/events/101491842/

At Cibola, 1647 S. Blue Island, Noon - 5pm

Here's the long description:

A fun, funky one-day workshop to learn practical web application and
data visualization skills using real-world data.

What is the Cook County Jail Inmate Tracker and 26th and California?

In late 2012, the Supreme Chi-Town Coding Crew and Open City Apps
began a project to collect and present jail population data online.
The Supreme Chi-Town Coding Crew developed software to scrape the
Sheriff?s Inmate Locator to capture raw inmate-level data, including
court history, housing details, and demographics (though not
identifying details). The scraped data is presented via a simple,
RESTful web API with support for JSON, XML, and CSV output formats.

Get started by checking out our project pages and documentation:

API project page: https://github.com/sc3/cookcountyjail
API documentation:https://github.com/sc3/cookcountyjail/wiki/API-guide
UI project page (includes tutorial):https://github.com/sc3/26thandcalifornia

Why Cook County Jail?

Cook County Jail is a crucial piece of Chicago's criminal justice
infrastructure. Every day, the jail houses 10,000 or more inmates
awaiting trial or serving short sentences, and has been considered the
largest jail in the United States for decades. Based on the county?s
estimate of 9300 inmates a day at a cost of $143 per inmate per day,
the jail cost taxpayers about $485 million in 2012. And In
2011,inmates stayed an average of 54.1 days, part of a steady increase
in average stay length.

Today, there is no publically accessible, machine-readable data about
the jail?s inmate population. But the Sheriff?s department does run an
online inmate locator, seemingly to allow loved ones and legal counsel
to find out visitation times, bond amount, and court date information.

With Python, Javascript, and a little elbow grease, citizens can
scrape the inmate locator and collect useful data to learn about
what's going on in Cook County Jail.

What?s gonna go down?

SC3, Open City, and friends are organizing this one-day workshop to
build software to browse and visualize the inmate data. By splitting
the API and UI, a group of dedicated developers can work on the data
and API long term, while a larger group of more casual participants
can develop the front end user interface working in HTML, CSS and
Javascript.

We?ll have four tracks:

* Get on board: For fledgling developers and people new to the project
or technologies used.
* UI hacking: For people with prior experience or who have come to SC3
hack days or the Backbone workshop organized by the Chicago Data
Visualization Group and want to keep developing features.
* API hacking: For database lovin?, command line hackin? nerds who
want to contend with Django.
* Data analysis: For the data whiz who wants to explore and analyze
the data using tools like Excel, R, or SPSS.


--
David Eads - 773.354.2285
News applications developer, Chicago Tribune
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/)
Founder, FreeGeek Chicago (http://freegeekchicago.org)

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From tottinge at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 00:13:52 2013
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:13:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Djangonauts meetup tomorrow (RSVP Today!)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ_3hfq8QWm2Qt49kvtk9v+95hHKHOshnbMBwSPGz9hkR2SrRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ_3hfq8QWm2Qt49kvtk9v+95hHKHOshnbMBwSPGz9hkR2SrRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN2NSt=AkSChQVAtWj9xY42sUV-tHEGegfpoJ2w1yih3ZnDF_A@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to reneg on attending. The weather up here is awful and extra "winter
storm" activities were putting me behind in my work.
Missed you again.


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Brian Moloney <brian at imagescape.com> wrote:

> Greetings ChiPy,
>
> Reminder about tomorrow's Djangonauts meetup starting at 6:30pm at
> Catapult Chicago, 321 N. Clark, Suite 2550.  Please RSVP before the
> end of TODAY to ensure your name is added to the security list.
>
> RSVP at either:
> https://www.facebook.com/events/280212935438743/
> http://www.chicagodjango.com and RSVP using the Contact Us form on the
> homepage
>
> Talks include:
>
> + Jack Shedd will be giving a talk about Heroku. "If anyone's not
> using it yet and/or hasn't figured out all the weirdnesses about it.
> It's been my pain point for the last month or so as we moved all our
> production sites to it."
>
> + Dustin Lacewell will be giving a talk on Django
> internationalization/localization. "I will be discussing the full
> range of internationalization and localization techniques related to
> Django applications including localization of your database data with
> Django-Multilingual, providing localizations for Django-CMS content
> and the localization of your Django applications and Django itself
> with Django-Rosetta."
>
> + Brian Moloney will be giving a brief update on DjangoCon US 2013.
>
> The meetup is being hosted by Procured Health who is graciously
> providing food and beverage.
>
> Hope to see you there (Please RSVP ASAP).
>
> --
> Brian J. Moloney
> Managing Partner
>
> Imaginary Landscape, LLC
> Web Design | Development | Strategy
> (877) 275-9144 toll free
>
> http://imagescape.com
> http://chicagodjango.com
> http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 00:50:23 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:50:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Djangonauts meetup tomorrow (RSVP Today!)
In-Reply-To: <CAN2NSt=AkSChQVAtWj9xY42sUV-tHEGegfpoJ2w1yih3ZnDF_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ_3hfq8QWm2Qt49kvtk9v+95hHKHOshnbMBwSPGz9hkR2SrRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN2NSt=AkSChQVAtWj9xY42sUV-tHEGegfpoJ2w1yih3ZnDF_A@mail.gmail.com>
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I had to back off myself as two weeks of what I thought I was over with two
days ago raised it's head last night and left me with zero strength and a
foggy brain today.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry to reneg on attending. The weather up here is awful and extra
> "winter storm" activities were putting me behind in my work.
> Missed you again.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Brian Moloney <brian at imagescape.com>wrote:
>
>> Greetings ChiPy,
>>
>> Reminder about tomorrow's Djangonauts meetup starting at 6:30pm at
>> Catapult Chicago, 321 N. Clark, Suite 2550.  Please RSVP before the
>> end of TODAY to ensure your name is added to the security list.
>>
>> RSVP at either:
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/280212935438743/
>> http://www.chicagodjango.com and RSVP using the Contact Us form on the
>> homepage
>>
>> Talks include:
>>
>> + Jack Shedd will be giving a talk about Heroku. "If anyone's not
>> using it yet and/or hasn't figured out all the weirdnesses about it.
>> It's been my pain point for the last month or so as we moved all our
>> production sites to it."
>>
>> + Dustin Lacewell will be giving a talk on Django
>> internationalization/localization. "I will be discussing the full
>> range of internationalization and localization techniques related to
>> Django applications including localization of your database data with
>> Django-Multilingual, providing localizations for Django-CMS content
>> and the localization of your Django applications and Django itself
>> with Django-Rosetta."
>>
>> + Brian Moloney will be giving a brief update on DjangoCon US 2013.
>>
>> The meetup is being hosted by Procured Health who is graciously
>> providing food and beverage.
>>
>> Hope to see you there (Please RSVP ASAP).
>>
>> --
>> Brian J. Moloney
>> Managing Partner
>>
>> Imaginary Landscape, LLC
>> Web Design | Development | Strategy
>> (877) 275-9144 toll free
>>
>> http://imagescape.com
>> http://chicagodjango.com
>> http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Tim Ottinger, Sr. Consultant, Industrial Logic
> -------------------------------------
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> http://agileinaflash.com/
> http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
>
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 05:52:30 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 22:52:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Djangonauts meetup tomorrow (RSVP Today!)
In-Reply-To: <CAN2NSt=AkSChQVAtWj9xY42sUV-tHEGegfpoJ2w1yih3ZnDF_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ_3hfq8QWm2Qt49kvtk9v+95hHKHOshnbMBwSPGz9hkR2SrRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN2NSt=AkSChQVAtWj9xY42sUV-tHEGegfpoJ2w1yih3ZnDF_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqsQMkGLv-JmnhOHxF0RtKnngdm9GTRyWfRwKqn3p9TrHA@mail.gmail.com>

I drove in from the South suburbs and it took me two hours. I'd hate to see
what it would have take you.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry to reneg on attending. The weather up here is awful and extra
> "winter storm" activities were putting me behind in my work.
> Missed you again.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Brian Moloney <brian at imagescape.com>wrote:
>
>> Greetings ChiPy,
>>
>> Reminder about tomorrow's Djangonauts meetup starting at 6:30pm at
>> Catapult Chicago, 321 N. Clark, Suite 2550.  Please RSVP before the
>> end of TODAY to ensure your name is added to the security list.
>>
>> RSVP at either:
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/280212935438743/
>> http://www.chicagodjango.com and RSVP using the Contact Us form on the
>> homepage
>>
>> Talks include:
>>
>> + Jack Shedd will be giving a talk about Heroku. "If anyone's not
>> using it yet and/or hasn't figured out all the weirdnesses about it.
>> It's been my pain point for the last month or so as we moved all our
>> production sites to it."
>>
>> + Dustin Lacewell will be giving a talk on Django
>> internationalization/localization. "I will be discussing the full
>> range of internationalization and localization techniques related to
>> Django applications including localization of your database data with
>> Django-Multilingual, providing localizations for Django-CMS content
>> and the localization of your Django applications and Django itself
>> with Django-Rosetta."
>>
>> + Brian Moloney will be giving a brief update on DjangoCon US 2013.
>>
>> The meetup is being hosted by Procured Health who is graciously
>> providing food and beverage.
>>
>> Hope to see you there (Please RSVP ASAP).
>>
>> --
>> Brian J. Moloney
>> Managing Partner
>>
>> Imaginary Landscape, LLC
>> Web Design | Development | Strategy
>> (877) 275-9144 toll free
>>
>> http://imagescape.com
>> http://chicagodjango.com
>> http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Tim Ottinger, Sr. Consultant, Industrial Logic
> -------------------------------------
> http://www.industriallogic.com/
> http://agileinaflash.com/
> http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 13:31:08 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:31:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Openblock
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ihJk4-9nE9y9MSoFTijEPt6bSyUGazDLhiGJOr=rW8q-A@mail.gmail.com>

Any interest in putting together a hack group and putting openblock back in
play off of github.  I did a little clicking around yesterday and did not
connect with any of the developer group.  Anyone know them personally.  I
could have met Adrienne Holovaty last Monday night introducing his music
slicing program.  Smooth slicing of music and some stretching or squishing
and skewing then running correlations to identify common patterns interest
me.
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Fri Feb  8 17:40:23 2013
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:40:23 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
Message-ID: <249283479119527@198.154.215.62:26>

Hi ChiPy, I have a Client looking for strong backend developers in St. Louis. They are willing to consider remote / telecommuting for the right skill set.
Developer must have a focus on robust and scalable development with custom API experience - preferably RESTful development. 
Currently they use php but they'd like to move over to python so skills in both are very attractive but not essential.
This role will work on a growing set of back-end services, from product definition to production to maintenance.
Very coooooool company. 
Ping me for more information.
job description:  http://tinyurl.com/a7blrkb
Thanks, 
Paul

v 708-479-1111
c 312-925-1294

Paul May & Associates (PMA)

paul at paulmayassociates.com 
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From japhy at pearachute.com  Sat Feb  9 04:16:19 2013
From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:16:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CANTsVHLqH77kohdCP9s4=gEjZfzWQmG7_kmm9gp7CzdJX17ppg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in a salary but thinking about jumping ship.  Reading between the
lines, pretty sure I have what they're trying to do on my resume.  Any idea
what they want to pay?


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>wrote:

>  Hi ChiPy, I have a Client looking for strong backend developers in St.
> Louis. They are willing to consider remote / telecommuting for the right
> skill set.
>
> Developer must have a focus on robust and scalable development with custom
> API experience - preferably RESTful development.
>
> Currently they use php but they'd like to move over to python so skills
> in both are very attractive but not essential.
>
> This role will work on a growing set of back-end services, from product
> definition to production to maintenance.
>
> Very coooooool company.
>
> Ping me for more information.
>
> job description:  http://tinyurl.com/a7blrkb
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Paul*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *v 708-479-1111*
>
> *c 312-925-1294*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *Paul May & Associates (PMA)*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> paul at paulmayassociates.com ****
>
> link up http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates ****
>
> like us on http://www.facebook.com/paulmayassociates
>
> Search over 100 real jobs www.paulmayassociates.com
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 13:22:18 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 06:22:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <CANTsVHLqH77kohdCP9s4=gEjZfzWQmG7_kmm9gp7CzdJX17ppg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <CAN6vQqsL71JzyugyupMHFj=ZPJLW0KBb4bueuMfQ2cngcD9Ymg@mail.gmail.com>

1 MILLION dollars. :)


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com> wrote:

> I'm in a salary but thinking about jumping ship.  Reading between the
> lines, pretty sure I have what they're trying to do on my resume.  Any idea
> what they want to pay?
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>wrote:
>
>>  Hi ChiPy, I have a Client looking for strong backend developers in St.
>> Louis. They are willing to consider remote / telecommuting for the right
>> skill set.
>>
>> Developer must have a focus on robust and scalable development with
>> custom API experience - preferably RESTful development.
>>
>> Currently they use php but they'd like to move over to python so skills
>> in both are very attractive but not essential.
>>
>> This role will work on a growing set of back-end services, from product
>> definition to production to maintenance.
>>
>> Very coooooool company.
>>
>> Ping me for more information.
>>
>> job description:  http://tinyurl.com/a7blrkb
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> *Paul*
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *v 708-479-1111*
>>
>> *c 312-925-1294*
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *Paul May & Associates (PMA)*
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> paul at paulmayassociates.com ****
>>
>> link up http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates ****
>>
>> like us on http://www.facebook.com/paulmayassociates
>>
>> Search over 100 real jobs www.paulmayassociates.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 15:07:08 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:07:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqsL71JzyugyupMHFj=ZPJLW0KBb4bueuMfQ2cngcD9Ymg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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	<CAN6vQqsL71JzyugyupMHFj=ZPJLW0KBb4bueuMfQ2cngcD9Ymg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=iheJqLSzG7cd1Z4R6+8KcwR7kAQnwMa528-NQB4-L=bdA@mail.gmail.com>

In small bills


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com
> wrote:

> 1 MILLION dollars. :)
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm in a salary but thinking about jumping ship.  Reading between the
>> lines, pretty sure I have what they're trying to do on my resume.  Any idea
>> what they want to pay?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi ChiPy, I have a Client looking for strong backend developers in St.
>>> Louis. They are willing to consider remote / telecommuting for the right
>>> skill set.
>>>
>>> Developer must have a focus on robust and scalable development with
>>> custom API experience - preferably RESTful development.
>>>
>>> Currently they use php but they'd like to move over to python so skills
>>> in both are very attractive but not essential.
>>>
>>> This role will work on a growing set of back-end services, from product
>>> definition to production to maintenance.
>>>
>>> Very coooooool company.
>>>
>>> Ping me for more information.
>>>
>>> job description:  http://tinyurl.com/a7blrkb
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> *Paul*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *v 708-479-1111*
>>>
>>> *c 312-925-1294*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Paul May & Associates (PMA)*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> paul at paulmayassociates.com ****
>>>
>>> link up http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates ****
>>>
>>> like us on http://www.facebook.com/paulmayassociates
>>>
>>> Search over 100 real jobs www.paulmayassociates.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>>
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From hundredpercentjuice at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 16:23:52 2013
From: hundredpercentjuice at gmail.com (JS Irick)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:23:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=iheJqLSzG7cd1Z4R6+8KcwR7kAQnwMa528-NQB4-L=bdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <3E02EA63-55EF-4E2E-BEE6-4E00D21DA82D@gmail.com>

I'm certain he's better at http headers than smtp ones. 


On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:

> In small bills
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1 MILLION dollars. :)
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com> wrote:
>>> I'm in a salary but thinking about jumping ship.  Reading between the lines, pretty sure I have what they're trying to do on my resume.  Any idea what they want to pay?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi ChiPy, I have a Client looking for strong backend developers in St. Louis. They are willing to consider remote / telecommuting for the right skill set.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Developer must have a focus on robust and scalable development with custom API experience - preferably RESTful development.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently they use php but they'd like to move over to python so skills in both are very attractive but not essential.
>>>> 
>>>> This role will work on a growing set of back-end services, from product definition to production to maintenance.
>>>> 
>>>> Very coooooool company.
>>>> 
>>>> Ping me for more information.
>>>> 
>>>> job description:  http://tinyurl.com/a7blrkb
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> v 708-479-1111
>>>> c 312-925-1294
>>>>  
>>>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>>  
>>>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>> link up http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>> like us on http://www.facebook.com/paulmayassociates
>>>> Search over 100 real jobs www.paulmayassociates.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
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From japhy at pearachute.com  Sat Feb  9 17:43:02 2013
From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 10:43:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <3E02EA63-55EF-4E2E-BEE6-4E00D21DA82D@gmail.com>
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Hey guize, the pay is pretty good!  How does this gmail thing work anyhow?


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:23 AM, JS Irick <hundredpercentjuice at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm certain he's better at http headers than smtp ones.
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In small bills
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
> emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 1 MILLION dollars. :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in a salary but thinking about jumping ship.  Reading between the
>>> lines, pretty sure I have what they're trying to do on my resume.  Any idea
>>> what they want to pay?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hi ChiPy, I have a Client looking for strong backend developers in
>>>> St. Louis. They are willing to consider remote / telecommuting for the
>>>> right skill set.
>>>>
>>>> Developer must have a focus on robust and scalable development with
>>>> custom API experience - preferably RESTful development.
>>>>
>>>> Currently they use php but they'd like to move over to python so
>>>> skills in both are very attractive but not essential.
>>>>
>>>> This role will work on a growing set of back-end services, from product
>>>> definition to production to maintenance.
>>>>
>>>> Very coooooool company.
>>>>
>>>> Ping me for more information.
>>>>
>>>> job description:  http://tinyurl.com/a7blrkb
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> *Paul*
>>>>
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From brian at python.org  Sat Feb  9 18:11:19 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:11:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <CANTsVHJpi0X4Gh0VY0yY_V-Qru6JMVnqet-PMQ-yxbfvAPPA6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com> wrote:
> Hey guize, the pay is pretty good!  How does this gmail thing work anyhow?

Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.

I on the other hand will probably never post my jobs to this list
again because the postings got shit on in the past, and fairly often
people show they can't take these things seriously.

Thanks.

From steve at agilitynerd.com  Sat Feb  9 18:16:14 2013
From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:16:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqc2DREsuD=To6S2uQMKip07323vbZEaZdPq737rdU=Wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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	<CAN6vQqsL71JzyugyupMHFj=ZPJLW0KBb4bueuMfQ2cngcD9Ymg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=iheJqLSzG7cd1Z4R6+8KcwR7kAQnwMa528-NQB4-L=bdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E02EA63-55EF-4E2E-BEE6-4E00D21DA82D@gmail.com>
	<CANTsVHJpi0X4Gh0VY0yY_V-Qru6JMVnqet-PMQ-yxbfvAPPA6g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
> actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
> support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.
>

+1

Best Regards,
Steve
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Dog Agility Search: http://googility.com/
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From japhy at pearachute.com  Sat Feb  9 18:42:04 2013
From: japhy at pearachute.com (Japhy Bartlett)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:42:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <CAKY2=TeM5n3tQtCg6tTiBMi5fAuKzH7-YjETbk659kdyC_0vbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
	<CANTsVHLqH77kohdCP9s4=gEjZfzWQmG7_kmm9gp7CzdJX17ppg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqsL71JzyugyupMHFj=ZPJLW0KBb4bueuMfQ2cngcD9Ymg@mail.gmail.com>
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I was trying to poke fun at myself for replying to the group and not
privately to him. Kind of a noob move, no?

Certainly no disrespect intended.


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Steve Schwarz <steve at agilitynerd.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>
>> Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
>> actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
>> support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.
>>
>
> +1
>
> Best Regards,
> Steve
> Blogs: http://agilitynerd.com/  http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
> Dog Agility Search: http://googility.com/
> Dog Agility Courses: http://agilitycourses.com/
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 18:44:03 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:44:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <CANTsVHJ-BL9LH2z7+xuj6u3VC3WVZbvBhkXn4b86-+H43Gc=9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51152aa4.e56db40a.1b9e.ffffc4d0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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No. I've been on mailing list for twenty years and I still do it
ocassionally.


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>wrote:

> I was trying to poke fun at myself for replying to the group and not
> privately to him. Kind of a noob move, no?
>
> Certainly no disrespect intended.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Steve Schwarz <steve at agilitynerd.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
>>> actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
>>> support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Steve
>> Blogs: http://agilitynerd.com/  http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
>> Dog Agility Search: http://googility.com/
>> Dog Agility Courses: http://agilitycourses.com/
>> http://www.facebook.com/AgilityNerd
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 18:41:27 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:41:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqc2DREsuD=To6S2uQMKip07323vbZEaZdPq737rdU=Wg@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't think anyone was giving Paul May any issues. Everyone is poking at
at Japhy for replying to the list when it looks like he just meant to post
to Paul. No one called him an idiot (we've all done it) and no one was
disrespectful.

I think you're being reactionary. This list isn't all business all the
time, nor should it be.


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
> wrote:
> > Hey guize, the pay is pretty good!  How does this gmail thing work
> anyhow?
>
> Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
> actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
> support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.
>
> I on the other hand will probably never post my jobs to this list
> again because the postings got shit on in the past, and fairly often
> people show they can't take these things seriously.
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brian at python.org  Sat Feb  9 23:04:50 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:04:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Responding to job threads
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwrV8hf1xX3m1N-OUpw4twpw05gYC=TJ9-Dv-2CVLPqTRQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
<emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think anyone was giving Paul May any issues. Everyone is poking at
> at Japhy for replying to the list when it looks like he just meant to post
> to Paul. No one called him an idiot (we've all done it) and no one was
> disrespectful.
>
> I think you're being reactionary. This list isn't all business all the time,
> nor should it be.

My response was meant to be to you and your response, but went to
Japhy instead - my fault.

No one gave Paul issues per se, but now the thread isn't about Paul's
job, it's about whatever little wisecracks people want to make. Find
something else to take off topic.

When the thread is a recruiter bringing a job opening to the members
of this group (and doing it without asking for rockstars or ninjas, to
boot), it should be business. By definition, that thread was started
out of a business need for both the client and Paul...

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 13:52:20 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 06:52:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Responding to job threads
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwrV8hf1xX3m1N-OUpw4twpw05gYC=TJ9-Dv-2CVLPqTRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwrV8hf1xX3m1N-OUpw4twpw05gYC=TJ9-Dv-2CVLPqTRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqv9Q96fgt1hRXYf7_OYr6bKt6qViSz9EFbTN6mF01owQg@mail.gmail.com>

This is a user group. There will be serious discussions, and there will be
threads poking fun. All of those threads provide people with a sense of
community. Posting directly to the list when one meant not to is
embarassing. Jokes releave that embarrasement.

I feel that there is disagreement in terms of etiquette for replys to job
posts on the list. That is a discussion that can be had, but I feel you
went about it the wrong way.

I feel that you snapped at the group, and at me in particular, for your own
feelings about appropriate postings in a thread. I feel that the
phrases, "Can we please grow up?", "Find something else to take off
topic.", and others were patronizing to me and others. I also feel that
responding in the way you did comes off as bullying the list into etiquette
that honestly, not everyone is in agreement on.

I do want to make clear that I don't think your intent was to patronize or
bully me, but that's how it is coming off to me personally. I think it
could discourage people from posting at all.

There is a level of etiquette in jobs posts that I do believe is warrented.
I don't believe one should attack the job poster, or be accusatory. Nor do
I believe one should be attacking the company the post is for. I don't
believe that the entire thread has to be 100% business. That maybe your own
opinion, but not everyone shares it.

I will repeat, if that is a discussion you would like to have, then you
have every right to start that discussion, but I have to ask that you treat
me and others with respect when doing so.


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
> <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't think anyone was giving Paul May any issues. Everyone is poking
> at
> > at Japhy for replying to the list when it looks like he just meant to
> post
> > to Paul. No one called him an idiot (we've all done it) and no one was
> > disrespectful.
> >
> > I think you're being reactionary. This list isn't all business all the
> time,
> > nor should it be.
>
> My response was meant to be to you and your response, but went to
> Japhy instead - my fault.
>
> No one gave Paul issues per se, but now the thread isn't about Paul's
> job, it's about whatever little wisecracks people want to make. Find
> something else to take off topic.
>
> When the thread is a recruiter bringing a job opening to the members
> of this group (and doing it without asking for rockstars or ninjas, to
> boot), it should be business. By definition, that thread was started
> out of a business need for both the client and Paul...
> _______________________________________________
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 14:41:13 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:41:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Correctional Data Camp this Saturday
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ihe4YiFCMzG-d_jsm0thugxbw2EnJ6k=v_9a21E7mkKOA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for passing this on to the list, Sheila.  It was nice to be in a
room full of people working on various aspects of this project.  I was of
course in learning mode though I was able to add something for a few folks
due to my knowing about Open City and IPython existing.  I was introduced
to try.github.com by a graphic designer and then two folks from Orbitz
helped me with the actual command line process for cloneing a project from
GitHub.

A lot to learn but one step at a time I am getting closer to being
dangerous.
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Sun Feb 10 18:13:22 2013
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:13:22 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
Message-ID: <100842886441616@198.154.215.62:26>

ChiPy, Thanks for the kind words.
I truly try and give back to this group and extend help to others looking with good jobs. 
I get a lot of ChiPys contacting me off line and have  helped a number of you and will continue too.
This is really one of the best Groups in Chicago to be a part of.  
I just will try not to ever ever post in RED again... ;-)
Keep on Hacking ;-)
Thanks, 
Paul

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----- Original Message ----- 
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
From: Steve Schwarz <steve at agilitynerd.com>
Sent: 2/9/2013 11:16:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.



+1

Best Regards,
Steve
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Sun Feb 10 18:26:59 2013
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:26:59 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
Message-ID: <651143989162836@198.154.215.62:26>

Adam, Brian , Steve and whomever I'm leaving out, thanks much. I try and contribute here to make it a better community.
Drinks on me next time ;-)
Thanks, 
Paul

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----- Original Message ----- 
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
From: Adam \Cezar\ Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com>
Sent: 2/10/2013 11:23:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??


I remember the red text. :)
I want you to know that your job posts are appreciated. If someone was after you about them I'd be happy to back you up.
What I've seen from you has been nothing but great.
On Feb 10, 2013 11:13 AM, "Paul May" <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:

ChiPy, Thanks for the kind words.
I truly try and give back to this group and extend help to others looking with good jobs. 
I get a lot of ChiPys contacting me off line and have  helped a number of you and will continue too.
This is really one of the best Groups in Chicago to be a part of.  
I just will try not to ever ever post in RED again... ;-)
Keep on Hacking ;-)
Thanks, 
Paul

v 708-479-1111
c 312-925-1294

Paul May & Associates (PMA)

paul at paulmayassociates.com 
link up http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates 
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Sent: 2/9/2013 11:16:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??


On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote: 
Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.



+1

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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 18:23:49 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:23:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <5117d54b.873fc20a.7f73.3a3fSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <5117d54b.873fc20a.7f73.3a3fSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqt5d6ng4BUQjjVf4z8TsW-4GPUgOmnE-=fB2RuuuxJHaA@mail.gmail.com>

I remember the red text. :)

I want you to know that your job posts are appreciated. If someone was
after you about them I'd be happy to back you up.

What I've seen from you has been nothing but great.
On Feb 10, 2013 11:13 AM, "Paul May" <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:

>  ChiPy, Thanks for the kind words.
>
> I truly try and give back to this group and extend help to others looking
> with good jobs.
>
> I get a lot of ChiPys contacting me off line and have  helped a number of
> you and will continue too.
>
> This is really one of the best Groups in Chicago to be a part of.
>
> I just will try not to ever ever post in RED again... ;-)
>
> Keep on Hacking ;-)
>
> Thanks,
>
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>
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> *From:* Steve Schwarz <steve at agilitynerd.com>
> *Sent:* 2/9/2013 11:16:14 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's
> interested??
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>
>> Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
>> actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
>> support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.
>>
>
> +1
>
> Best Regards,
> Steve
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 18:59:22 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:59:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
Message-ID: <CANKg38t7kiekcqq27_Mnyag3=w7THjDzC=VMOkpqgR0_v_FBog@mail.gmail.com>

****Happy Chinese New Year. This is the year of the snake!****

So if you go to our website http://chipy.org you will now see 2 RSVP. One
for the pre-party (hackathon?) for Aaron Swartz and a second for our
regular meeting.

Concerning the agenda, This is not set in stone. And I gave Trent 2 spots.
Both topics sound good. He can do one or the other or both as far as I am
concerned. Let me know.

There is one open spot for a 15min lightening talk. I think someone said
they had something and I need you to refresh my memory

Back to the hackathon/open house/whatever, we have some details to work out
on the pre-party. There definitely will great refreshments. I also would
like to see how the PS1 thing went and see if we can continue this. Looking
forward to someone leading this effort. Any takers? If there is no
leadership for this, people will be on their own but I will be sure there
will be some food and drinks there better than our norm (not that our norm
is to shabby). People are also encouraged to bring a date, stop in, and
leave if you have other plans. You may also wear your "I <3 Python," shirt.

Lastly, someone asked if anyone will be speaking on Aaron. I am open to
this ide; however, I do not know who that someone would be. If you are
interested in saying something even in brief, please do not hesitate to let
me know.

RSVP Here http://chipy.org  X2 if your going to both.


Best Ever, Brian


-- 
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From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Feb 10 19:16:10 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:16:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Correctional Data Camp this Saturday
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=ihe4YiFCMzG-d_jsm0thugxbw2EnJ6k=v_9a21E7mkKOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMqL=ihe4YiFCMzG-d_jsm0thugxbw2EnJ6k=v_9a21E7mkKOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rb+jXAFzkuV9sXhS-HsKfcCB7MfcQYiuzQvBwHW3Veh6w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad you enjoyed it. I signed up, but wasn't able to go. I had
also posted about the event in an internal group at work so I'm glad
that some people from orbitz showed up! :)

Did this give you any ideas for how to make the python office hours at
ps1 work better? I hadn't thought of showing try.github.com to people.

Posting to chipy too because I'd like to hear other's thoughts on this.


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for passing this on to the list, Sheila.  It was nice to be in a
> room full of people working on various aspects of this project.  I was of
> course in learning mode though I was able to add something for a few folks
> due to my knowing about Open City and IPython existing.  I was introduced to
> try.github.com by a graphic designer and then two folks from Orbitz helped
> me with the actual command line process for cloneing a project from GitHub.
>
> A lot to learn but one step at a time I am getting closer to being
> dangerous.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
sheila

From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 20:37:30 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:37:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Correctional Data Camp this Saturday
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rb+jXAFzkuV9sXhS-HsKfcCB7MfcQYiuzQvBwHW3Veh6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMqL=ihe4YiFCMzG-d_jsm0thugxbw2EnJ6k=v_9a21E7mkKOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rb+jXAFzkuV9sXhS-HsKfcCB7MfcQYiuzQvBwHW3Veh6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ii11XApN8AFRf-b2na6teZe9GotFA5HO0jSffLzqUAv4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Need to come back to this.  I am amazed by how little respect and attention
is given to some really beautiful and OPEN people in this space.  I will
have to get back to you on the question as  because my wife would say " he
is not ignoring you, he collects dat processes it and then answers".


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> I'm glad you enjoyed it. I signed up, but wasn't able to go. I had
> also posted about the event in an internal group at work so I'm glad
> that some people from orbitz showed up! :)
>
> Did this give you any ideas for how to make the python office hours at
> ps1 work better? I hadn't thought of showing try.github.com to people.
>
> Posting to chipy too because I'd like to hear other's thoughts on this.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you for passing this on to the list, Sheila.  It was nice to be in
> a
> > room full of people working on various aspects of this project.  I was of
> > course in learning mode though I was able to add something for a few
> folks
> > due to my knowing about Open City and IPython existing.  I was
> introduced to
> > try.github.com by a graphic designer and then two folks from Orbitz
> helped
> > me with the actual command line process for cloneing a project from
> GitHub.
> >
> > A lot to learn but one step at a time I am getting closer to being
> > dangerous.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 20:41:22 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:41:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38t7kiekcqq27_Mnyag3=w7THjDzC=VMOkpqgR0_v_FBog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38t7kiekcqq27_Mnyag3=w7THjDzC=VMOkpqgR0_v_FBog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=iiMs-644-w27-BOvqc_h8qyvD=1AacEXbqy3UbXPbACSg@mail.gmail.com>

I could not really speak of Aaron.  I attended his funeral because I am a
licensed Southern Baptist preacher of the gospel and am horrified by those
who think they represent Baptist and was willing to go toe to toe with them
had they showed up.


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> ****Happy Chinese New Year. This is the year of the snake!****
>
> So if you go to our website http://chipy.org you will now see 2 RSVP. One
> for the pre-party (hackathon?) for Aaron Swartz and a second for our
> regular meeting.
>
> Concerning the agenda, This is not set in stone. And I gave Trent 2 spots.
> Both topics sound good. He can do one or the other or both as far as I am
> concerned. Let me know.
>
> There is one open spot for a 15min lightening talk. I think someone said
> they had something and I need you to refresh my memory
>
> Back to the hackathon/open house/whatever, we have some details to work
> out on the pre-party. There definitely will great refreshments. I also
> would like to see how the PS1 thing went and see if we can continue this.
> Looking forward to someone leading this effort. Any takers? If there is no
> leadership for this, people will be on their own but I will be sure there
> will be some food and drinks there better than our norm (not that our norm
> is to shabby). People are also encouraged to bring a date, stop in, and
> leave if you have other plans. You may also wear your "I <3 Python," shirt.
>
> Lastly, someone asked if anyone will be speaking on Aaron. I am open to
> this ide; however, I do not know who that someone would be. If you are
> interested in saying something even in brief, please do not hesitate to let
> me know.
>
> RSVP Here http://chipy.org  X2 if your going to both.
>
>
> Best Ever, Brian
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 20:42:50 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:42:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's interested??
In-Reply-To: <5117d557.8649b40a.01d0.ffffa56aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <5117d557.8649b40a.01d0.ffffa56aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ihJNdgFSbu_PBYBYytYdi4aCE4rGfqSK1QRyDVGg9sKXA@mail.gmail.com>

Loving the love of ChiPy Paul.  Loving Cezar as welll.


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>wrote:

>  ChiPy, Thanks for the kind words.
>
> I truly try and give back to this group and extend help to others looking
> with good jobs.
>
> I get a lot of ChiPys contacting me off line and have  helped a number of
> you and will continue too.
>
> This is really one of the best Groups in Chicago to be a part of.
>
> I just will try not to ever ever post in RED again... ;-)
>
> Keep on Hacking ;-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Paul*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *v 708-479-1111*
>
> *c 312-925-1294*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *Paul May & Associates (PMA)*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> paul at paulmayassociates.com ****
>
> link up http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates ****
>
> like us on http://www.facebook.com/paulmayassociates
>
> Search over 100 real jobs www.paulmayassociates.com
>
>
>
>  *Note:- If you do not wish to receive emails from Paul May & Associates,*
>
> *please send an email to remove at paulmayassociates.com and put REMOVE in
> the Subject line.*
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *To:* The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> *From:* Steve Schwarz <steve at agilitynerd.com>
> *Sent:* 2/9/2013 11:16:14 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Chicago] python development remote work, who's
> interested??
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>
>> Can we please grow up? Paul May is respectful in his postings,
>> actually shows up to meetings from time to time, buys food or drink to
>> support the group, and he brings relevant jobs to the table.
>>
>
> +1
>
> Best Regards,
> Steve
> Blogs: http://agilitynerd.com/  http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
> Dog Agility Search: http://googility.com/
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Feb 11 17:29:17 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:29:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38t7kiekcqq27_Mnyag3=w7THjDzC=VMOkpqgR0_v_FBog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38t7kiekcqq27_Mnyag3=w7THjDzC=VMOkpqgR0_v_FBog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rZuj9TqiUZ0pkW783OgDiEtoV6Dg+Foozf6WKoM_8qZjw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is one open spot for a 15min lightening talk. I think someone said
> they had something and I need you to refresh my memory

I think lightning talks on open science, open access, open data, open
gov, etc. would be good. I don't feel well prepared to give one.

At pycon I'll be helping with the openscienceframework.org sprint.
Maybe after that I could give a lightning talk on it.

> Back to the hackathon/open house/whatever, we have some details to work out
> on the pre-party. There definitely will great refreshments. I also would
> like to see how the PS1 thing went and see if we can continue this. Looking

Due to bad weather we didn't start at 5 and ended up getting started
around 7. We ended up talking about things and didn't get any hacking
done. so, I think 1 to 2 hours is too short for a hack night. Perhaps
a lightning talk on scraping tools, since scraping is one way that
people can extract information from sites without decent apis to
provide machine readable information, for examples, the inmate tracker
project, zotero translators, etc.





-- 
sheila

From zanson at zanson.org  Mon Feb 11 21:08:42 2013
From: zanson at zanson.org (J. D. Jordan)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:08:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2013 Schedule Announced!
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raFOY9aKxNsCH8+bycr199B8uD1fxObNN3qXJora1qdhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3YlJbz4j2LzS0r@mail.python.org>
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Message-ID: <CAEdtD8DocE=yQ-GcKzsYT_gAZQMwY6Ov4JabX=L8OiUZQaNO_A@mail.gmail.com>

FYI the volunteer signups are on the schedule now.  If you are going
to PyCon think about helping out by being a Session Chair or Session
Runner:
https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/
https://us.pycon.org/2013/community/volunteer/onsite/

-Jeremiah

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:41 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> I'm going! This year I am extra excited because I plan to also stay
> for sprints. I enjoyed them at pycon.ca and want to do that again.
>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I will be going this year, who else is in?
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From a_rothenberg at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 11 23:02:29 2013
From: a_rothenberg at hotmail.com (Aaron Rothenberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:02:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2013 Schedule Announced!
In-Reply-To: <CAEdtD8DocE=yQ-GcKzsYT_gAZQMwY6Ov4JabX=L8OiUZQaNO_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3YlJbz4j2LzS0r@mail.python.org>,
	<CAKwoybjKWdioLtFEz+UjWVWxijF75w2Mxu1=HGgSkNLHevEfFw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAHCs_raFOY9aKxNsCH8+bycr199B8uD1fxObNN3qXJora1qdhA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEdtD8DocE=yQ-GcKzsYT_gAZQMwY6Ov4JabX=L8OiUZQaNO_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT002-W6551A3626EA080490E6926E90A0@phx.gbl>

I'm going to be there for the main event 14th -18th.

-Aaron

> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:08:42 -0600
> From: zanson at zanson.org
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] PyCon 2013 Schedule Announced!
> 
> FYI the volunteer signups are on the schedule now.  If you are going
> to PyCon think about helping out by being a Session Chair or Session
> Runner:
> https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/
> https://us.pycon.org/2013/community/volunteer/onsite/
> 
> -Jeremiah
> 
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:41 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > I'm going! This year I am extra excited because I plan to also stay
> > for sprints. I enjoyed them at pycon.ca and want to do that again.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I will be going this year, who else is in?
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:12:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
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+1[?]


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There is one open spot for a 15min lightening talk. I think someone said
> > they had something and I need you to refresh my memory
>
> I think lightning talks on open science, open access, open data, open
> gov, etc. would be good. I don't feel well prepared to give one.
>
> At pycon I'll be helping with the openscienceframework.org sprint.
> Maybe after that I could give a lightning talk on it.
>
> > Back to the hackathon/open house/whatever, we have some details to work
> out
> > on the pre-party. There definitely will great refreshments. I also would
> > like to see how the PS1 thing went and see if we can continue this.
> Looking
>
> Due to bad weather we didn't start at 5 and ended up getting started
> around 7. We ended up talking about things and didn't get any hacking
> done. so, I think 1 to 2 hours is too short for a hack night. Perhaps
> a lightning talk on scraping tools, since scraping is one way that
> people can extract information from sites without decent apis to
> provide machine readable information, for examples, the inmate tracker
> project, zotero translators, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From feihong.hsu at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 14:52:50 2013
From: feihong.hsu at gmail.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:52:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
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I could give a lightning talk on scraping strategies, if anyone is
interested in that.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> +1[?]
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > There is one open spot for a 15min lightening talk. I think someone said
>> > they had something and I need you to refresh my memory
>>
>> I think lightning talks on open science, open access, open data, open
>> gov, etc. would be good. I don't feel well prepared to give one.
>>
>> At pycon I'll be helping with the openscienceframework.org sprint.
>> Maybe after that I could give a lightning talk on it.
>>
>> > Back to the hackathon/open house/whatever, we have some details to work
>> out
>> > on the pre-party. There definitely will great refreshments. I also would
>> > like to see how the PS1 thing went and see if we can continue this.
>> Looking
>>
>> Due to bad weather we didn't start at 5 and ended up getting started
>> around 7. We ended up talking about things and didn't get any hacking
>> done. so, I think 1 to 2 hours is too short for a hack night. Perhaps
>> a lightning talk on scraping tools, since scraping is one way that
>> people can extract information from sites without decent apis to
>> provide machine readable information, for examples, the inmate tracker
>> project, zotero translators, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Feb 12 16:01:44 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:01:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
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+1 +1
On Feb 12, 2013 7:53 AM, "Feihong Hsu" <feihong.hsu at gmail.com> wrote:

> I could give a lightning talk on scraping strategies, if anyone is
> interested in that.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> +1[?]
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > There is one open spot for a 15min lightening talk. I think someone
>>> said
>>> > they had something and I need you to refresh my memory
>>>
>>> I think lightning talks on open science, open access, open data, open
>>> gov, etc. would be good. I don't feel well prepared to give one.
>>>
>>> At pycon I'll be helping with the openscienceframework.org sprint.
>>> Maybe after that I could give a lightning talk on it.
>>>
>>> > Back to the hackathon/open house/whatever, we have some details to
>>> work out
>>> > on the pre-party. There definitely will great refreshments. I also
>>> would
>>> > like to see how the PS1 thing went and see if we can continue this.
>>> Looking
>>>
>>> Due to bad weather we didn't start at 5 and ended up getting started
>>> around 7. We ended up talking about things and didn't get any hacking
>>> done. so, I think 1 to 2 hours is too short for a hack night. Perhaps
>>> a lightning talk on scraping tools, since scraping is one way that
>>> people can extract information from sites without decent apis to
>>> provide machine readable information, for examples, the inmate tracker
>>> project, zotero translators, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> sheila
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Feb 12 19:00:20 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:00:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
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Btw, here's hte gist of notes I outlined for hte ps1 thing.
<https://gist.github.com/codersquid/4734153>

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Back to the hackathon/open house/whatever, we have some details to work out
> on the pre-party. There definitely will great refreshments. I also would
> like to see how the PS1 thing went and see if we can continue this. Looking
> forward to someone leading this effort. Any takers? If there is




-- 
sheila

From livne at uchicago.edu  Tue Feb 12 21:18:33 2013
From: livne at uchicago.edu (Oren Livne)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:18:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyDev PyUnit terminates early
Message-ID: <511AA399.1040105@uchicago.edu>

Dear All,

I have a suite() with 114 tests that I created a run configuration for 
in PyDev. When I run it, it stops after the first 14 tests and reports a 
green bar, not running the remaining 100. There doesn't seem to be an 
error message, the console is titled "<terminated> 0". This usually 
works and doesn't work once in a while. Any ideas why?

Thank you so much,
Oren

From diomedestydeus at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 22:08:25 2013
From: diomedestydeus at gmail.com (Philip Doctor)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:08:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyDev PyUnit terminates early
In-Reply-To: <511AA399.1040105@uchicago.edu>
References: <511AA399.1040105@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <CAAqWh+8D08WCAS40+Tn77YSoCFneYxGb5=axo2=pABp=JYWr4A@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen that happen in PyUnit, but I saw something very similar one
time in nUnit.  There was a burried System.Environment.Exit(0) call that,
when hit, would exit out of the test runner as well resulting in a lot of
tests not running.  May not be your problem, but possibly something to
check (especially if when it quits after 14 tests, it's always quitting on
the same test).


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Oren Livne <livne at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I have a suite() with 114 tests that I created a run configuration for in
> PyDev. When I run it, it stops after the first 14 tests and reports a green
> bar, not running the remaining 100. There doesn't seem to be an error
> message, the console is titled "<terminated> 0". This usually works and
> doesn't work once in a while. Any ideas why?
>
> Thank you so much,
> Oren
> ______________________________**_________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From livne at uchicago.edu  Tue Feb 12 22:53:58 2013
From: livne at uchicago.edu (Oren Livne)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:53:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyDev PyUnit terminates early
In-Reply-To: <CAAqWh+8D08WCAS40+Tn77YSoCFneYxGb5=axo2=pABp=JYWr4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <511AA399.1040105@uchicago.edu>
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Message-ID: <511AB9F6.5060101@uchicago.edu>

I found it by divide-and-conquer. It was crashin on loading a corrupt 
npz file. thx!

On 02/12/2013 03:08 PM, Philip Doctor wrote:
> I haven't seen that happen in PyUnit, but I saw something very similar 
> one time in nUnit.  There was a burried System.Environment.Exit(0) 
> call that, when hit, would exit out of the test runner as well 
> resulting in a lot of tests not running.  May not be your problem, but 
> possibly something to check (especially if when it quits after 14 
> tests, it's always quitting on the same test).
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Oren Livne <livne at uchicago.edu 
> <mailto:livne at uchicago.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Dear All,
>
>     I have a suite() with 114 tests that I created a run configuration
>     for in PyDev. When I run it, it stops after the first 14 tests and
>     reports a green bar, not running the remaining 100. There doesn't
>     seem to be an error message, the console is titled "<terminated>
>     0". This usually works and doesn't work once in a while. Any ideas
>     why?
>
>     Thank you so much,
>     Oren
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chicago mailing list
>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
>
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From livne at uchicago.edu  Tue Feb 12 22:43:34 2013
From: livne at uchicago.edu (Oren Livne)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:43:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyDev PyUnit terminates early
In-Reply-To: <CAAqWh+8D08WCAS40+Tn77YSoCFneYxGb5=axo2=pABp=JYWr4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <511AA399.1040105@uchicago.edu>
	<CAAqWh+8D08WCAS40+Tn77YSoCFneYxGb5=axo2=pABp=JYWr4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <511AB786.3090505@uchicago.edu>

That's a good idea. it's probably not the problem, but I can't really 
tell, since the last test being run finishes successfully, and I don't 
know which one it tries to run after it.

This started again after I installed Subclipse. I am getting a lot of 
exceptions in the console like

LogFilter.isLoggable threw a non-fatal unchecked exception as follows:
java.lang.NullPointerException

So I uninstalled Subclipse 1.8 and reinstalled Subclipse 1.6 per 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9303293/subclipse-and-javahl-installation-headache

This did not make a difference - it still terminates at test 14 with or 
without the subclipse plugin being present.

  :(

On 02/12/2013 03:08 PM, Philip Doctor wrote:
> I haven't seen that happen in PyUnit, but I saw something very similar 
> one time in nUnit.  There was a burried System.Environment.Exit(0) 
> call that, when hit, would exit out of the test runner as well 
> resulting in a lot of tests not running.  May not be your problem, but 
> possibly something to check (especially if when it quits after 14 
> tests, it's always quitting on the same test).
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Oren Livne <livne at uchicago.edu 
> <mailto:livne at uchicago.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Dear All,
>
>     I have a suite() with 114 tests that I created a run configuration
>     for in PyDev. When I run it, it stops after the first 14 tests and
>     reports a green bar, not running the remaining 100. There doesn't
>     seem to be an error message, the console is titled "<terminated>
>     0". This usually works and doesn't work once in a while. Any ideas
>     why?
>
>     Thank you so much,
>     Oren
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chicago mailing list
>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
>
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From trent at snakebite.org  Wed Feb 13 04:44:09 2013
From: trent at snakebite.org (Trent Nelson)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:44:09 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38t7kiekcqq27_Mnyag3=w7THjDzC=VMOkpqgR0_v_FBog@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:59:22AM -0800, Brian Ray wrote:
>    Concerning the agenda, This is not set in stone. And I gave Trent 2 spots.
>    Both topics sound good. He can do one or the other or both as far as I am
>    concerned. Let me know.

    It pains me to say it but the "highly likely" Chicago visit this
    weekend has since evaporated into thin air.  I'll be unable to do
    either unfortunately :-(

        Trent.

From feihong.hsu at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 06:13:25 2013
From: feihong.hsu at gmail.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:13:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
In-Reply-To: <5E3A89398864414E8EE2CB192E0C965C111AD578A8@EXMBX10.exchhosting.com>
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	<5E3A89398864414E8EE2CB192E0C965C111AD578A8@EXMBX10.exchhosting.com>
Message-ID: <CAG_DhpQ+GWxDn9KdrXhOnSHesDawMj4o5u26EDdyrAN_fBD44g@mail.gmail.com>

If Trent is unable to make it, I can probably extend my proposed lightning
talk on scraping to 30 minutes instead of 15 minutes.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Trent Nelson <trent at snakebite.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:59:22AM -0800, Brian Ray wrote:
> >    Concerning the agenda, This is not set in stone. And I gave Trent 2
> spots.
> >    Both topics sound good. He can do one or the other or both as far as
> I am
> >    concerned. Let me know.
>
>     It pains me to say it but the "highly likely" Chicago visit this
>     weekend has since evaporated into thin air.  I'll be unable to do
>     either unfortunately :-(
>
>         Trent.
> _______________________________________________
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 07:24:56 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:24:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAG_DhpQ+GWxDn9KdrXhOnSHesDawMj4o5u26EDdyrAN_fBD44g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38t7kiekcqq27_Mnyag3=w7THjDzC=VMOkpqgR0_v_FBog@mail.gmail.com>
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Great!

On Feb 12, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Feihong Hsu <feihong.hsu at gmail.com> wrote:

> If Trent is unable to make it, I can probably extend my proposed lightning talk on scraping to 30 minutes instead of 15 minutes.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Trent Nelson <trent at snakebite.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:59:22AM -0800, Brian Ray wrote:
>> >    Concerning the agenda, This is not set in stone. And I gave Trent 2 spots.
>> >    Both topics sound good. He can do one or the other or both as far as I am
>> >    concerned. Let me know.
>> 
>>     It pains me to say it but the "highly likely" Chicago visit this
>>     weekend has since evaporated into thin air.  I'll be unable to do
>>     either unfortunately :-(
>> 
>>         Trent.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 15:43:01 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:43:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Tribute tomorrow night
Message-ID: <CANKg38udqcCzFFseUBNVnjf2FFn=VWQw5BVK-d5OaKCgXB2jYQ@mail.gmail.com>

We made an additional RSVP form for tomorrow night, pre-meeting open house
/ hackathon:

   http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/

Feel free to pass this around to those who you think may be
interested primarily in this. The http://chipy.org will also work and
people can feel free to RSVP there instead. Either place will work.

My goal is to have some free roses and premium cocktails so you can impress
your dates guys/girls. While I find it highly unlikely your date will be
impressed when you drop in real quick to party full of geeks, I am going to
pretend this will lure you temporarily from you valentines plans.

Be Mine, Brian

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Feb 13 16:15:54 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:15:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Tribute tomorrow night
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38udqcCzFFseUBNVnjf2FFn=VWQw5BVK-d5OaKCgXB2jYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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My first valentines with Carl was at chipy.
On Feb 13, 2013 8:44 AM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> We made an additional RSVP form for tomorrow night, pre-meeting open house
> / hackathon:
>
>    http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/
>
> Feel free to pass this around to those who you think may be
> interested primarily in this. The http://chipy.org will also work and
> people can feel free to RSVP there instead. Either place will work.
>
> My goal is to have some free roses and premium cocktails so you can
> impress your dates guys/girls. While I find it highly unlikely your date
> will be impressed when you drop in real quick to party full of geeks, I am
> going to pretend this will lure you temporarily from you valentines plans.
>
> Be Mine, Brian
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 16:18:21 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:18:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Tribute tomorrow night
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rZ1=jcLCQrdAW+kqAk6VmVAj9Ya8b8a_dO=AV8gMF06qQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38udqcCzFFseUBNVnjf2FFn=VWQw5BVK-d5OaKCgXB2jYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rZ1=jcLCQrdAW+kqAk6VmVAj9Ya8b8a_dO=AV8gMF06qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38tYsCSLeKsqefLqYz0uqHXTHy1hy+f_eeHQnSSmZ566=Q@mail.gmail.com>

awwww <3


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> My first valentines with Carl was at chipy.
> On Feb 13, 2013 8:44 AM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We made an additional RSVP form for tomorrow night, pre-meeting open
>> house / hackathon:
>>
>>    http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/
>>
>> Feel free to pass this around to those who you think may be
>> interested primarily in this. The http://chipy.org will also work and
>> people can feel free to RSVP there instead. Either place will work.
>>
>> My goal is to have some free roses and premium cocktails so you can
>> impress your dates guys/girls. While I find it highly unlikely your date
>> will be impressed when you drop in real quick to party full of geeks, I am
>> going to pretend this will lure you temporarily from you valentines plans.
>>
>> Be Mine, Brian
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Feb 13 16:28:45 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:28:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP open for Thursday meeting
In-Reply-To: <5E3A89398864414E8EE2CB192E0C965C111AD578A8@EXMBX10.exchhosting.com>
References: <CANKg38t7kiekcqq27_Mnyag3=w7THjDzC=VMOkpqgR0_v_FBog@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E3A89398864414E8EE2CB192E0C965C111AD578A8@EXMBX10.exchhosting.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbxaLgxhRDxFEaYtZuP2Fhf4eb1+wDi2q7LgzxOhBwuDw@mail.gmail.com>

I could take 5 to 10 minutes for a lightning talk on open science since we
will have more time. Only if no one else steps up who has a longer talk.
On Feb 12, 2013 9:45 PM, "Trent Nelson" <trent at snakebite.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:59:22AM -0800, Brian Ray wrote:
> >    Concerning the agenda, This is not set in stone. And I gave Trent 2
> spots.
> >    Both topics sound good. He can do one or the other or both as far as
> I am
> >    concerned. Let me know.
>
>     It pains me to say it but the "highly likely" Chicago visit this
>     weekend has since evaporated into thin air.  I'll be unable to do
>     either unfortunately :-(
>
>         Trent.
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Feb 13 16:52:03 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:52:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] hack night tomorrow
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rYpU162JzYdkchdTXyMPHuQJb8Dd8CRsh9zSct9f7nbrw@mail.gmail.com>

Two hours is really short for a hack night but we are listing it as a thing
so omg it would be great if we have volunteers to help if people show up
wanting to hack.

Laptop setup.

Help with this if you are comfortable walking people through setting up a
dev environment. It would be great if we have a helper per OS. Keep in mind
that the people who will be needing the most help will not have any tools
on their machines for dev work. This means you may need to be able to walk
through installing editors and version control tools and preliminary things
like that. Keep in mind that people may show up with very old laptops.

Networking Troubleshooters

Since we may need to walk people through installing editors and other tools
and dependencies, we'll also need help troubleshooting network problems.
For example, I've been stymied by trying to get an old version of windows
to get on the network.

We'll also need someone who can figure things out in general such as when
something happens like the dhcp server not being able to hand out enough IP
addresses. I have no clue how to handle that yet so you are perfect for
this is you do.

Python Setup Foo

You are perfect for this if you are able to help people get pip and
virtualenv set up. It would be great if we had a helper per OS.

Projects to Hack

Since we won't have a lot of time then the first idea I have for a goal is
to get people to a point where they can leave the meeting with the ability
to work on a project. That may sound like a very basic goal, but keep in
mind that we've invited people to our community who may not be very
experienced. They may be here for many different reasons and perhaps aren't
developers yet but would like to start being civic hacktivists due to
learning about Aaron's work.

That's all for now... I've been typing from the el and I've reached my stop.
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Feb 13 17:15:56 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:15:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] hack night tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rYpU162JzYdkchdTXyMPHuQJb8Dd8CRsh9zSct9f7nbrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYpU162JzYdkchdTXyMPHuQJb8Dd8CRsh9zSct9f7nbrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raZOaZm8fr9nTvedDmGgBy54t2+Rk0H-KarvuXXnZb94w@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I made a new repository so I can panic-edit a wiki with stuff. I
will steal liberally from the openhatch wiki we've used for beginning
python workshops.
https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/wiki/email-splat has the
content of my first email as a starting place for an outline

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> [...]
> That's all for now... I've been typing from the el and I've reached my stop.



-- 
sheila

From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Feb 13 17:20:30 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:20:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] hack night tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raZOaZm8fr9nTvedDmGgBy54t2+Rk0H-KarvuXXnZb94w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYpU162JzYdkchdTXyMPHuQJb8Dd8CRsh9zSct9f7nbrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_raZOaZm8fr9nTvedDmGgBy54t2+Rk0H-KarvuXXnZb94w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rb2gdc1Ess+dPO_JeTAh-D+aTQ-DpE9kw1d3SrnsUx3ww@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to help, I've starting creating issues
https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/issues

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:15 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Okay, I made a new repository so I can panic-edit a wiki with stuff. I
> will steal liberally from the openhatch wiki we've used for beginning
> python workshops.
> https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/wiki/email-splat has the
> content of my first email as a starting place for an outline
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>> That's all for now... I've been typing from the el and I've reached my stop.
>
>
>
> --
> sheila



-- 
sheila

From steve.loving at metacloud.com  Wed Feb 13 17:45:04 2013
From: steve.loving at metacloud.com (Steve Loving)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:45:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python & OpenStack
Message-ID: <CA+peUSnS1agk82R_2zbHDhGd3Y0jvJLUDzS8JjsaXd1jjAc2OQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

OpenStack, written in python, is becoming the open source standard for
Cloud.

The Chicago OpenStack group's meeting is on the 28th and will have a local
organization presenting, which is running OpenStack in production at scale.

We hope you attend on the 28th.

http://www.meetup.com/meetup-group-NjZdcegA/

Thx,

Steve
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 06:23:11 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:23:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Website
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQquu0FDBwn673xwLC0U2q4OO0uThrS282Jup1JVNc68Wtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQquu0FDBwn673xwLC0U2q4OO0uThrS282Jup1JVNc68Wtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQquaDTtvsNbvwvLbnXFh8DYTx6+hfC68DeP8tdrEoJX67Q@mail.gmail.com>

I just pushed to Heroku a change that allows for RSVPs without logging in.
If anyone wants to test it feel free.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Changed topic,
>
> Like I said before, It's ready. Doesn't do anonymous rsvps just quite yet,
> that can be done after release though if need be. (The UI for it is there,
> I just have to make it email)
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cezar, sorry if off topic, we will be releasing the new ChiPy site at the
>> next meeting still, right?
>>
>> What needs done before then?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Thu Feb 14 06:39:55 2013
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 5:39:55 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: Python or Perl Development Tester
Message-ID: <114426144228582@198.154.215.62:26>

ChiPy, sorry I'll be missing tomorrow night. It should be one of the BEST meetings ever. Truly. 
I'd like to meet up with many new faces.


Happy Valentine's Day.

Valentine's Day calls with my 3 precious Kiddies and a queen bee. 


I do have a role that someone here maybe interested in.

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Key point: Should have solid experience using an object oriented scripting language to create automated testing scripts with Linux. Needs backend testing and solid SQL knowledge.
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 15:24:30 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:24:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] Aaron Swartz open house and Best Meeting Every
	tonight
Message-ID: <CANKg38sP5TMSg-GF+wQw1wpC5vRU_MPCRq1kXO=xcLpe40bJ8g@mail.gmail.com>

RSVP here http://chipy.org/

IF you are just sending out a link for the open house (Starts at 5pm) then
you can use this: http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ (send this to your
friends)

Where: Braintree 111 North Canal Street #455, Chicago, IL 60606

There will be extra nice food and drink at both the event and the
pre-party. Feel free to stop in and just have a snack and say hello then go
on your way. Everyone is invited to both the open house and the ChiPy
monthly meeting. This will be our best meeting ever.

For the open house / hack, read this:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2013-February/010628.html

Also, there are some tickets you can start on here:
https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/issues

For our regular 7PM meeting we are doing lightening talks. So far:

Scraping with Python (:30 Thirty Minutes) By:  Feihong Hsu
open science (:15 Fifteen Minutes) By: Sheila
New ChiPy Website** (:20 Twenty Minutes) By: Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
.. (INSERT YOUR NAME HERE)

**Demo of our new site. We will make it live during the meeting!

--
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From osiddique at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 17:15:46 2013
From: osiddique at gmail.com (Osman Siddique)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:15:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Running matplotlib in 32-bit Python on OS X
Message-ID: <CANJvWKv3r5DafD7RgBcP-5vbsNOT2rWBFszAkmk_peuG12sctA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ChiPy,

I'm in a rut so deep I can hang posters. I was hoping I could get some help
from the many knowledgeable matplotlib users on the ChiPy mailing list.

Here's my dilemma -

I'm attempting to use matplotlib w/ the 32-bit version of wxPython. When I
enter 'python-32 file.py' into my terminal, I get import errors that
complain about matplotlib._png. However, if I do 'python file2.py'
(file2.py being the file that contains the actual command to import
matplotlib), I get no errors. Based on this, it seems that my problem is
related to running python in 32-bit mode.

I tried fixing the issue by using the 64-bit development release of
wxPython for OS X, but this led to all sorts of thread related memory leak
issues which are apparently a known bug.

Basically, is there a way to get matplotlib and the 'python-32' directive
to play nicely w/ each other?

Thanks and looking forward to today's best meeting EVER,
Osman
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 17:35:24 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:35:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] hack night tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rb2gdc1Ess+dPO_JeTAh-D+aTQ-DpE9kw1d3SrnsUx3ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYpU162JzYdkchdTXyMPHuQJb8Dd8CRsh9zSct9f7nbrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_raZOaZm8fr9nTvedDmGgBy54t2+Rk0H-KarvuXXnZb94w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rb2gdc1Ess+dPO_JeTAh-D+aTQ-DpE9kw1d3SrnsUx3ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ijPdyoUBFWkM=sWD5ktPTvkrRQuCPi3qX4qa=vAHgQsZA@mail.gmail.com>

I am to much of a noob to hack nights to know if this will be useful but it
looks to me like it would if I was more up on ssh.  I am beginning to git
confused as to the states of these things on my desktop and notebook.

Hi Randy,

I would recommend installing VirtualBox and Vagrant and use the
hacknight_vagrant installer, which will give you a lot of tools including
ipython, python 2.6, postgis, R, etc.

https://github.com/emphanos/hacknight_vagrant

git clone https://github.com/emphanos/hacknight_vagrant.git

cd hacknight_vagrant

vagrant up

# use and ssh client like putty or cygwin's openssh to login as
vagrant at 127.0.0.1  on port 2222

# to install python 2.7 inside your new VirtualBox VM use these commands below

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:fkrull/deadsnakes
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install python2.7



On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> If you want to help, I've starting creating issues
> https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/issues
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:15 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > Okay, I made a new repository so I can panic-edit a wiki with stuff. I
> > will steal liberally from the openhatch wiki we've used for beginning
> > python workshops.
> > https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/wiki/email-splat has the
> > content of my first email as a starting place for an outline
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> That's all for now... I've been typing from the el and I've reached my
> stop.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Feb 14 17:56:38 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:56:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Running matplotlib in 32-bit Python on OS X
In-Reply-To: <CANJvWKv3r5DafD7RgBcP-5vbsNOT2rWBFszAkmk_peuG12sctA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANJvWKv3r5DafD7RgBcP-5vbsNOT2rWBFszAkmk_peuG12sctA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSgcqEWSt38+wqpuHvSZ6SMLNBQni=X-G7KXAzMG-E7a5g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Osman Siddique <osiddique at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi ChiPy,
>
> I'm in a rut so deep I can hang posters. I was hoping I could get some help
> from the many knowledgeable matplotlib users on the ChiPy mailing list.
>
> Here's my dilemma -
>
> I'm attempting to use matplotlib w/ the 32-bit version of wxPython. When I
> enter 'python-32 file.py' into my terminal, I get import errors that
> complain about matplotlib._png. However, if I do 'python file2.py' (file2.py
> being the file that contains the actual command to import matplotlib), I get
> no errors. Based on this, it seems that my problem is related to running
> python in 32-bit mode.
>
> I tried fixing the issue by using the 64-bit development release of wxPython
> for OS X, but this led to all sorts of thread related memory leak issues
> which are apparently a known bug.
>
> Basically, is there a way to get matplotlib and the 'python-32' directive to
> play nicely w/ each other?
>

Assuming what you want is possible, (and it has to be, right?)  I am
sure there are a few ways to make it work, some better than others.

What comes to mind: are you familiar with virtualenv?

I think that will help get all your versions aligned.

Even if it is of no help to this problem, all python developers should
be familiar with it.



-- 
Carl K

From adam at adamforsyth.net  Thu Feb 14 18:20:05 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:20:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Running matplotlib in 32-bit Python on OS X
In-Reply-To: <CANJvWKv3r5DafD7RgBcP-5vbsNOT2rWBFszAkmk_peuG12sctA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANJvWKv3r5DafD7RgBcP-5vbsNOT2rWBFszAkmk_peuG12sctA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABrs+N9XTmwpFjT=B7_Tb25-ZnpJzSN3ji26TTFRpV8nnpSS7Q@mail.gmail.com>

What I do in situations like this is to develop in a linux VM. If you have
at least 8gb of ram it shouldn't be a problem.
On Feb 14, 2013 10:16 AM, "Osman Siddique" <osiddique at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi ChiPy,
>
> I'm in a rut so deep I can hang posters. I was hoping I could get some
> help from the many knowledgeable matplotlib users on the ChiPy mailing list.
>
> Here's my dilemma -
>
> I'm attempting to use matplotlib w/ the 32-bit version of wxPython. When I
> enter 'python-32 file.py' into my terminal, I get import errors that
> complain about matplotlib._png. However, if I do 'python file2.py'
> (file2.py being the file that contains the actual command to import
> matplotlib), I get no errors. Based on this, it seems that my problem is
> related to running python in 32-bit mode.
>
> I tried fixing the issue by using the 64-bit development release of
> wxPython for OS X, but this led to all sorts of thread related memory leak
> issues which are apparently a known bug.
>
> Basically, is there a way to get matplotlib and the 'python-32' directive
> to play nicely w/ each other?
>
> Thanks and looking forward to today's best meeting EVER,
> Osman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 18:36:23 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:36:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Food from Semiramis
Message-ID: <CANKg38tP69arm+nV9oV3LR=JyAc0BhCsCkhmT-25mnD_sFAhLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Food tonight is from Semiramis http://www.semiramisrestaurant.com/. There
menu is no pork and has some vegetarian choices. It is
not technically Kosher so always feel free to bring your own food. It will
get there around 5-5:30 PM. I can not promise how much will be left by 7pm;
although, I would be perfectly happy also ordering pizza if we decide later
to do so. I also plan on picking up some treats from the French Market.

Also, Braintree is sponsoring good beer. Thank you Braintree.

Best Meeting ever.


-- 
Brian Ray
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From joe at germuska.com  Thu Feb 14 18:46:41 2013
From: joe at germuska.com (Joe Germuska)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:46:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] hack night tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=ijPdyoUBFWkM=sWD5ktPTvkrRQuCPi3qX4qa=vAHgQsZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYpU162JzYdkchdTXyMPHuQJb8Dd8CRsh9zSct9f7nbrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_raZOaZm8fr9nTvedDmGgBy54t2+Rk0H-KarvuXXnZb94w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rb2gdc1Ess+dPO_JeTAh-D+aTQ-DpE9kw1d3SrnsUx3ww@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BB8A3360-95D1-424E-9AA0-F2BE59CD9719@germuska.com>

Hey:

I just ran through the instructions below. To get python2.7 over apt-get I also had to install python-software-properties as indicated here http://askubuntu.com/questions/101591/how-do-i-install-python-2-7-2-on-10-04#comment143299_101634

So you may want to add that step to the cheat sheet.

I haven't done a thing with it yet, but thought I'd pass it on before I forget.

Thanks
  Joe



On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am to much of a noob to hack nights to know if this will be useful but it looks to me like it would if I was more up on ssh.  I am beginning to git confused as to the states of these things on my desktop and notebook.
> 
> Hi Randy,
> 
> I would recommend installing VirtualBox and Vagrant and use the hacknight_vagrant installer, which will give you a lot of tools including ipython, python 2.6, postgis, R, etc.
> 
> https://github.com/emphanos/hacknight_vagrant
> 
> git clone https://github.com/emphanos/hacknight_vagrant.git
> cd hacknight_vagrant
> vagrant up
> # use and ssh client like putty or cygwin's openssh to login as vagrant at 127.0.0.1  on port 2222
> # to install python 2.7 inside your new VirtualBox VM use these commands below
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:fkrull/deadsnakes
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install python2.7
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> If you want to help, I've starting creating issues
> https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/issues
> 
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:15 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > Okay, I made a new repository so I can panic-edit a wiki with stuff. I
> > will steal liberally from the openhatch wiki we've used for beginning
> > python workshops.
> > https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/wiki/email-splat has the
> > content of my first email as a starting place for an outline
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> That's all for now... I've been typing from the el and I've reached my stop.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 20:16:42 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:16:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
Message-ID: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>

Good news if you donate through the event
http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the donation
box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it here
http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW


Thanks!

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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 20:32:54 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+ZVAGR54=3bNy_dfOZzgrtnR2FhmRH8p7PHFhvbjYF-Wg@mail.gmail.com>

somebody should put this out on twitter.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good news if you donate through the event
> http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the donation
> box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it here
> http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 20:33:26 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:33:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+ZVAGR54=3bNy_dfOZzgrtnR2FhmRH8p7PHFhvbjYF-Wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ZVAGR54=3bNy_dfOZzgrtnR2FhmRH8p7PHFhvbjYF-Wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+bYvnNgt3EKA9YLrjHJdwH8aj3Ewhy3yOJqxZMNMj=cPQ@mail.gmail.com>

and by someone I mean people with more than 11 followers, like this guy.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> somebody should put this out on twitter.
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good news if you donate through the event
>> http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the
>> donation box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it
>> here http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 20:56:17 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:56:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bYvnNgt3EKA9YLrjHJdwH8aj3Ewhy3yOJqxZMNMj=cPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ZVAGR54=3bNy_dfOZzgrtnR2FhmRH8p7PHFhvbjYF-Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+bYvnNgt3EKA9YLrjHJdwH8aj3Ewhy3yOJqxZMNMj=cPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqto6bA9S=QGAiEiMmW7qKmT1aNcuOOHpHv8ff3_8poRNA@mail.gmail.com>

Tweet it Brian and I'll retweet. I only have ~250


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> and by someone I mean people with more than 11 followers, like this guy.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> somebody should put this out on twitter.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good news if you donate through the event
>>> http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the
>>> donation box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it
>>> here http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Ray
>>> @brianray
>>> (773) 669-7717
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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> Chicago at python.org
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Feb 14 21:11:48 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:11:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5UzADzXqObc9=kkkGGGSm81zVH3d=W1=0pm1LqzP64g1Tw@mail.gmail.com>

> Good news if you donate through the event
> http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the donation
> box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it here
> http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW

Can't make it tonight, but used the EventBrite URL to contribute.

Skip

From adam at adamforsyth.net  Thu Feb 14 20:59:58 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:59:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqto6bA9S=QGAiEiMmW7qKmT1aNcuOOHpHv8ff3_8poRNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ZVAGR54=3bNy_dfOZzgrtnR2FhmRH8p7PHFhvbjYF-Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+bYvnNgt3EKA9YLrjHJdwH8aj3Ewhy3yOJqxZMNMj=cPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqto6bA9S=QGAiEiMmW7qKmT1aNcuOOHpHv8ff3_8poRNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABrs+N8sBvFDK26JhnGJjS2M0d91yD=X7qmHrrd4bpJqqjfNUg@mail.gmail.com>

Brian, could you amend the eventbrite page either for signups not to close
at 2pm or to make it clear you can still come if you don't sign up?


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tweet it Brian and I'll retweet. I only have ~250
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> and by someone I mean people with more than 11 followers, like this guy.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> somebody should put this out on twitter.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good news if you donate through the event
>>>> http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the
>>>> donation box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it
>>>> here http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brian Ray
>>>> @brianray
>>>> (773) 669-7717
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 21:27:12 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:27:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
In-Reply-To: <CABrs+N8sBvFDK26JhnGJjS2M0d91yD=X7qmHrrd4bpJqqjfNUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ZVAGR54=3bNy_dfOZzgrtnR2FhmRH8p7PHFhvbjYF-Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+bYvnNgt3EKA9YLrjHJdwH8aj3Ewhy3yOJqxZMNMj=cPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqto6bA9S=QGAiEiMmW7qKmT1aNcuOOHpHv8ff3_8poRNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABrs+N8sBvFDK26JhnGJjS2M0d91yD=X7qmHrrd4bpJqqjfNUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38sK7+ANX5O+XkzzPN8VUed0n3xV8tyyM4FebSAOAzAg-A@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, Adam.

Also I tweeted this https://twitter.com/brianray/status/302151794295963650


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Adam Forsyth <adam at adamforsyth.net> wrote:

> Brian, could you amend the eventbrite page either for signups not to close
> at 2pm or to make it clear you can still come if you don't sign up?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
> emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tweet it Brian and I'll retweet. I only have ~250
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> and by someone I mean people with more than 11 followers, like this guy.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> somebody should put this out on twitter.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good news if you donate through the event
>>>>> http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the
>>>>> donation box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it
>>>>> here http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Brian Ray
>>>>> @brianray
>>>>> (773) 669-7717
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 06:15:50 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:15:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] there are multiple European language speakers here,
	maybe ya'll can help
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+a4H13wnkTw1dq5ATrNybwW5H94h_RppzAFekWzRLV6fQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://pyfound.blogspot.ca/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 18:37:45 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:37:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38v-+6aWuj9zEUG4E620SD3SFZ26aF32r6OQ+wP=JWS6Sg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you ChiPy for the literally 100's of dollars of donations
we received last night and today. Events over, but you can still donate we
will match for a couple more hours http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/. You
are awesome!

By the way, that may have been the best meeting ever.  At least, until next
month at The Onion !!!!



On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good news if you donate through the event
> http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the donation
> box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it here
> http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>



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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 21:05:18 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:05:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy will match donations tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38v-+6aWuj9zEUG4E620SD3SFZ26aF32r6OQ+wP=JWS6Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ucAFY6wHL9RZ6jQ1H0EhqQd6A7W_q7zhaT+MZL2FFLMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38v-+6aWuj9zEUG4E620SD3SFZ26aF32r6OQ+wP=JWS6Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ihWwi6mtRuN2PbsMruFuRshU6sZrWp8DtsxbGt04aXHvA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you ++1



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you ChiPy for the literally 100's of dollars of donations
> we received last night and today. Events over, but you can still donate we
> will match for a couple more hours http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/.
> You are awesome!
>
> By the way, that may have been the best meeting ever.  At least, until
> next month at The Onion !!!!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good news if you donate through the event
>> http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ registrations or through the
>> donation box at the meeting we will match (to some percent) and move it
>> here http://www.givewell.org/about/donate?ASW
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From naomi.ceder at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 17:22:39 2013
From: naomi.ceder at gmail.com (Naomi Ceder)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:22:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
Message-ID: <CAKvj0qQJb+gRD5VDB-z1+EhiB7pyjkYsADvRxr9zEQdfRn6QKA@mail.gmail.com>

This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at
places that allow pets to come to work?

And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an
employer?

Just curious...

Thanks!
Naomi Ceder

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From steder at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 00:46:26 2013
From: steder at gmail.com (Mike Steder)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:46:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
In-Reply-To: <CAKvj0qQJb+gRD5VDB-z1+EhiB7pyjkYsADvRxr9zEQdfRn6QKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKvj0qQJb+gRD5VDB-z1+EhiB7pyjkYsADvRxr9zEQdfRn6QKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALnGnW=iTs2mEO4ucxPXj=vop30DVH59NFtioOuVn+krt-uhfA@mail.gmail.com>

Quite a few folks bring their dogs into Threadless and I think it's pretty
great.


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at
> places that allow pets to come to work?
>
> And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an
> employer?
>
> Just curious...
>
> Thanks!
> Naomi Ceder
>
> --
> Naomi Ceder
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
>
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From eviljoel at linux.com  Sat Feb 16 00:52:31 2013
From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:52:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
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Hello Naomi,

I would love to have a resident cat or two at my office.  I don't have
one at home because I'm never awake there and I think it would be
wrong to own one being home so little.  I guess I would value it
although I probably would not bring my own cats into an office.

However, the biggest problem with having pets in the office is going
to be allergies.

Later,
eviljoel


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike Steder <steder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Quite a few folks bring their dogs into Threadless and I think it's pretty
> great.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at
>> places that allow pets to come to work?
>>
>> And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an
>> employer?
>>
>> Just curious...
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Naomi Ceder
>>
>> --
>> Naomi Ceder
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
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From steve at agilitynerd.com  Sat Feb 16 01:10:42 2013
From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:10:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at
> places that allow pets to come to work?
>
> And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an
> employer?
>
> Just curious...
>
>
Before we moved to the shiny new glass box building we had dogs in the
office and I really liked it. It saved me $25 a day in dog walking expenses
and for the company's benefit I could work longer hours because I didn't
have to get home to let him out. It definitely attracted me to come to work
at my current job.

Best Regards,
Steve
Blogs: http://agilitynerd.com/  http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
Dog Agility Search: http://googility.com/
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From adam at adamforsyth.net  Sat Feb 16 01:21:46 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:21:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
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This is something Braintree used to do at our old office (before I
started). I know people loved it -- 9 months later a number of people still
talk about missing that.

Personally, I'm not much of a dog person, so I prefer not to have them in
the office.
On Feb 15, 2013 5:37 PM, "Naomi Ceder" <naomi.ceder at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at
> places that allow pets to come to work?
>
> And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an
> employer?
>
> Just curious...
>
> Thanks!
> Naomi Ceder
>
> --
> Naomi Ceder
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
>
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From feihong.hsu at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 06:43:20 2013
From: feihong.hsu at gmail.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:43:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] Aaron Swartz open house and Best Meeting Every
	tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38sP5TMSg-GF+wQw1wpC5vRU_MPCRq1kXO=xcLpe40bJ8g@mail.gmail.com>
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I've uploaded the slides from yesterday's talk:
http://www.slideshare.net/megafeihong/scraping-from-the-web-an-overview-that-does-not-contain-too-much-cussing


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> RSVP here http://chipy.org/
>
> IF you are just sending out a link for the open house (Starts at 5pm) then
> you can use this: http://aarontribute.eventbrite.com/ (send this to your
> friends)
>
> Where: Braintree 111 North Canal Street #455, Chicago, IL 60606
>
> There will be extra nice food and drink at both the event and the
> pre-party. Feel free to stop in and just have a snack and say hello then go
> on your way. Everyone is invited to both the open house and the ChiPy
> monthly meeting. This will be our best meeting ever.
>
> For the open house / hack, read this:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2013-February/010628.html
>
> Also, there are some tickets you can start on here:
> https://github.com/codersquid/workshopplans/issues
>
> For our regular 7PM meeting we are doing lightening talks. So far:
>
> Scraping with Python (:30 Thirty Minutes) By:  Feihong Hsu
> open science (:15 Fifteen Minutes) By: Sheila
> New ChiPy Website** (:20 Twenty Minutes) By: Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
> .. (INSERT YOUR NAME HERE)
>
> **Demo of our new site. We will make it live during the meeting!
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
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From maney at two14.net  Sat Feb 16 13:58:06 2013
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 06:58:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] Aaron Swartz open house and Best Meeting Every
 tonight
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Message-ID: <20130216125806.GB30445@furrr.two14.net>

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:43:20PM -0600, Feihong Hsu wrote:
> I've uploaded the slides from yesterday's talk:
> http://www.slideshare.net/megafeihong/scraping-from-the-web-an-overview-that-does-not-contain-too-much-cussing

Is it possible to to do much scraping without cussing?  Can you teach
Carl how that works?  :-)

-- 
I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas
that could provoke such a question.  --  Charles Babbage


From sunah at sunahsuh.com  Sat Feb 16 00:43:15 2013
From: sunah at sunahsuh.com (Sunah Suh)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:43:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
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Yes! Etsy is *very* dog-friendly and they're pretty integral to the kind of
work environment we try to cultivate. As a remote employee, I also work out
of a coworking space with dogs and they're rather delightful =) They even
have a section in the staff directory ;)

-S

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at
> places that allow pets to come to work?
>
> And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an
> employer?
>
> Just curious...
>
> Thanks!
> Naomi Ceder
>
> --
> Naomi Ceder
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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Full-Stack Web Developer, Pythonista, Jill-of-all-trades
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From jmwebstuff at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 16 17:45:07 2013
From: jmwebstuff at yahoo.com (Julie Bell)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 08:45:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
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My company doesn't. But I come from a family with server allergies. My daughter and sister are allergic to dogs. I'm severely allergic to cats.
I sat in a chair of someone who had a cat at company, and couldn't breath. I removed the offending chair, ie. sat in a different one and was fine. If a cat had been in residence, I can't even go into the building.
Just chiming in on the allergy side.




________________________________
 From: Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder at gmail.com>
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org> 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
 

This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at places that allow pets to come to work?

And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an employer?

Just curious...

Thanks!
Naomi Ceder

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From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Feb 16 17:52:20 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:52:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] Aaron Swartz open house and Best Meeting Every
	tonight
In-Reply-To: <20130216125806.GB30445@furrr.two14.net>
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On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:43:20PM -0600, Feihong Hsu wrote:
>> I've uploaded the slides from yesterday's talk:
>> http://www.slideshare.net/megafeihong/scraping-from-the-web-an-overview-that-does-not-contain-too-much-cussing
>
> Is it possible to to do much scraping without cussing?  Can you teach
> Carl how that works?  :-)

Seems you can't even talk about scraping without cussing.

I should get the video up so you can hear for yourself.


-- 
Carl K

From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 17:53:46 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:53:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
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Message-ID: <CAMqL=iggiH23FT9TES2kcSsq=MeruP4aoTpjumC7U+B3Bqk3Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Surprised no one else has chimed in that one of the many company dogs was
attending our meeting in January at the Nerdery but that cats are not
allowed.

I am allergic to both but not to the extent of the previous posters and
love having cats around.


On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Julie Bell <jmwebstuff at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My company doesn't. But I come from a family with server allergies. My
> daughter and sister are allergic to dogs. I'm severely allergic to cats.
> I sat in a chair of someone who had a cat at company, and couldn't breath.
> I removed the offending chair, ie. sat in a different one and was fine. If
> a cat had been in residence, I can't even go into the building.
> Just chiming in on the allergy side.
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder at gmail.com>
> *To:* The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2013 10:22 AM
> *Subject:* [Chicago] Here's a question...
>
> This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at
> places that allow pets to come to work?
>
> And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an
> employer?
>
> Just curious...
>
> Thanks!
> Naomi Ceder
>
> --
> Naomi Ceder
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
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From naomi.ceder at gmail.com  Sat Feb 16 22:09:39 2013
From: naomi.ceder at gmail.com (Naomi Ceder)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Here's a question...
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=iggiH23FT9TES2kcSsq=MeruP4aoTpjumC7U+B3Bqk3Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKvj0qQJb+gRD5VDB-z1+EhiB7pyjkYsADvRxr9zEQdfRn6QKA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKvj0qQqz1x5pQ7LVfrxPUD-UsacnovycOyfq6jX=1-=xZMGig@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for the answers... Most helpful!!

Cheers,
Naomi


On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Surprised no one else has chimed in that one of the many company dogs was
> attending our meeting in January at the Nerdery but that cats are not
> allowed.
>
> I am allergic to both but not to the extent of the previous posters and
> love having cats around.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Julie Bell <jmwebstuff at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> My company doesn't. But I come from a family with server allergies. My
>> daughter and sister are allergic to dogs. I'm severely allergic to cats.
>> I sat in a chair of someone who had a cat at company, and couldn't
>> breath. I removed the offending chair, ie. sat in a different one and was
>> fine. If a cat had been in residence, I can't even go into the building.
>> Just chiming in on the allergy side.
>>
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder at gmail.com>
>> *To:* The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2013 10:22 AM
>> *Subject:* [Chicago] Here's a question...
>>
>> This is something we're discussing a my company... Do any of you work at
>> places that allow pets to come to work?
>>
>> And whether or not you do, do you/would you value such a policy from an
>> employer?
>>
>> Just curious...
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Naomi Ceder
>>
>> --
>> Naomi Ceder
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Sat Feb 16 23:46:40 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:46:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] Aaron Swartz open house and Best Meeting Every
	tonight
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSgGnSrYRuhinV0n2difGAw5PmUMm3AKXHasvDKhmRh4tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38sP5TMSg-GF+wQw1wpC5vRU_MPCRq1kXO=xcLpe40bJ8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG_DhpRkmFBU5ceTaKyePsuPKA8nG08VB0u+nuWT9XzDu6es1A@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Martin Maney <maney at two14.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:43:20PM -0600, Feihong Hsu wrote:
>>> I've uploaded the slides from yesterday's talk:
>>> http://www.slideshare.net/megafeihong/scraping-from-the-web-an-overview-that-does-not-contain-too-much-cussing
>>
>> Is it possible to to do much scraping without cussing?  Can you teach
>> Carl how that works?  :-)
>
> Seems you can't even talk about scraping without cussing.
>
> I should get the video up so you can hear for yourself.

You should. It was a pretty good talk.

Here are links from my talk.

talk slides in google doc form
<https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IlSIB-Ij0O5Tr15_tHiWkzlY-Q-_qmvJb8FUDKV-awU/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000>

talk slides in odp/pdf/pptx form
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qw61kocccrqoco0/GpCdXtYQuS

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve essays on getting better at life

http://archive.org/details/ark-aaronsw


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23pdftribute

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23icanhazpdf

http://pdftribute.net scraper

http://www.reddit.com/r/Scholar


What is open access? illustrated video
http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1533

http://phylogenomics.blogspot.com/2013/01/ten-simple-ways-to-share-pdfs-of-your.html

http://phylogenomics.blogspot.com/2013/01/10-things-you-can-do-to-really-support.html

http://www.plos.org/about/open-access/howopenisit/

http://www.lucs.lu.se/choice-blindness-group/

Hall, L., Johansson, P., T?rning, B., Sikstr?m, S., & Deutgen, T.
(2010). Magic at the Marketplace: Choice blindness for the taste of
jam and the smell of tea. Cognition, 17, 54-61.
PDF http://www.lucs.lu.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Hall_et_al-2010-Magic_at_the_Marketplace.pdf
versus
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010027710001381

Hall, L., Johansson, P., & Strandberg, T. (2012). Lifting the Veil of
Morality: Choice Blindness and Attitude Reversals on a
Self-Transforming Survey. Plos ONE 7(9): e45457.
http://dx.plos.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0045457

Deception at Duke: Fraud in cancer care?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57376073/deception-at-duke-fraud-in-cancer-care/

https://chronicle.com/article/Power-of-Suggestion/136907 The amazing
influence of unconscious cues is among the most fascinating
discoveries of our time??that is, if it's true". The article that
discusses priming and the problems arising with people attempting to
replicate Bargh's elevator results.

http://openscienceframework.org python project that will be sprinted
on at pycon. It's used by the Reproducibility Project
(http://openscienceframework.org/project/EZcUj/wiki/home


Someone asked a question about whether the influence of open science
could be tracked. total-impact was the project I was trying to
remember for my answer.
* https://github.com/total-impact
* http://impactstory.org/
* http://altmetrics.org/manifesto/


open science summit with talks on open hardware
http://fora.tv/conference/open_science_summit_2012



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From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Feb 17 17:22:28 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:22:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] volunteer for python office hours this week!
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raeMx8j3qy68iDfu791yBsdAgt3wwxgtctS2E4U_T6jPg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I met new people at chipy last week who mentioned they would show up
to python office hours. I'd like people with more python experience to
show up and help field questions!

You are perfect for this if:

* you know some python! maybe even a lot!
* you are good at being patient so that you can let people drive their computers



-- 
sheila

From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Feb 17 17:55:35 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:55:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] open data day, feb 23
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rb+Vs11+2D=bYRh+RNd=bgZ+Xmbk079qACf0HTy2od9tA@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone hosting an http://opendataday.org/ event in Chicago?

-- 
sheila

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 15:55:50 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:55:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] new Chipy.org website
Message-ID: <CANKg38smoDWMNuwDozRd3g20nUes4t-zTxXw5N+f2xdb=CO7hg@mail.gmail.com>

http://chipy.org

This is awesome. Good work everyone especially Cezar and those
participating in our mentoring program.

If you see any issues, please file a ticket here:

   https://github.com/chicagopython/chipy.org/issues/new

PS The artwork was done by the the talented friend, Marysya Rudska, of a
PyCon attendee I met last year
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.201909199853422.55299.100001030304307&type=3

--
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 15:59:59 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:59:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] new Chipy.org website
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38smoDWMNuwDozRd3g20nUes4t-zTxXw5N+f2xdb=CO7hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38smoDWMNuwDozRd3g20nUes4t-zTxXw5N+f2xdb=CO7hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38vbrsQfsRC6jd7ygKNkPqKDuanEcMuS+j4cqC6hvRsxmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Last, but not least, a very special thanks to Imaginary Landscape!!!
http://www.imagescape.com/  They did the design as Django templates.
Impressive. Also, displays well on my mobile device.



On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://chipy.org
>
> This is awesome. Good work everyone especially Cezar and those
> participating in our mentoring program.
>
> If you see any issues, please file a ticket here:
>
>    https://github.com/chicagopython/chipy.org/issues/new
>
> PS The artwork was done by the the talented friend, Marysya Rudska, of a
> PyCon attendee I met last year
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.201909199853422.55299.100001030304307&type=3
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>



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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Feb 20 05:21:31 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:21:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Install problems with numpy via pip on Snow Leopard (Mac
	OS X 10.6.x)
Message-ID: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having no luck getting numpy to build and install properly on my
Mac.  I'm doing this in a Django virtualenv.  I've tried both of these
commands to install it:

    pip install numpy

and

    ARCHFLAGS="-arch x86_64" pip install numpy

Both -- after emitting a rather amazing number of warning messages --
manage to install numpy, but import attempts fail with the following
error:

    ImportError:
dlopen(/Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so,
2): no suitable image found.  Did find:
	/Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so:
mach-o, but wrong architecture

Python is 2.7.2+ (yes, I should update):

    % python
    Python 2.7.2+ (2.7:527c40add91d, Jun 12 2011, 15:36:59)
    [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5493)] on darwin
    Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

and comes from my venv environment.

Gcc is in /usr/bin and reports as

   % gcc -version
   i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1: no input files

I have this vague recollection that gcc 4.2 was problematic.

Anybody encounter and solve this problem already?  Google was no help,
though if you have a LMGTFY link, I'd be happy to be chastised for
feeble Google-fu.

Thx,

Skip Montanaro

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Feb 20 05:45:46 2013
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:45:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Install problems with numpy via pip on Snow Leopard
 (Mac OS X 10.6.x)
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>
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From ken at stox.org  Wed Feb 20 05:52:52 2013
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth Stox)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:52:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Install problems with numpy via pip on Snow Leopard
 (Mac OS X 10.6.x)
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1361335972.27451.2.camel@cerebrus>

do

file /Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so

At least that will tell you what architecture the shared object was
built for.




On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 22:21 -0600, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I'm having no luck getting numpy to build and install properly on my
> Mac.  I'm doing this in a Django virtualenv.  I've tried both of these
> commands to install it:
> 
>     pip install numpy
> 
> and
> 
>     ARCHFLAGS="-arch x86_64" pip install numpy
> 
> Both -- after emitting a rather amazing number of warning messages --
> manage to install numpy, but import attempts fail with the following
> error:
> 
>     ImportError:
> dlopen(/Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so,
> 2): no suitable image found.  Did find:
> 	/Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so:
> mach-o, but wrong architecture
> 
> Python is 2.7.2+ (yes, I should update):
> 
>     % python
>     Python 2.7.2+ (2.7:527c40add91d, Jun 12 2011, 15:36:59)
>     [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5493)] on darwin
>     Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> 
> and comes from my venv environment.
> 
> Gcc is in /usr/bin and reports as
> 
>    % gcc -version
>    i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1: no input files
> 
> I have this vague recollection that gcc 4.2 was problematic.
> 
> Anybody encounter and solve this problem already?  Google was no help,
> though if you have a LMGTFY link, I'd be happy to be chastised for
> feeble Google-fu.
> 
> Thx,
> 
> Skip Montanaro
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



From skip at pobox.com  Wed Feb 20 14:46:10 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:46:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Install problems with numpy via pip on Snow Leopard
 (Mac OS X 10.6.x)
In-Reply-To: <512454FA.8080505@threecrickets.com>
References: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<512454FA.8080505@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5Uz7CmNbXmwy20XHHbXveyprxcChp0FzxJ10N1k0MfMvHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> numpy is available on MacPorts for many Python versions. Would that be good
> enough?

I thought about just using a binary package of some sort.  There is a
Mac DMG binary version of numpy available.  It's not obvious to me how
I would insert that or a MacPorts version into my virtualenv.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Feb 20 14:48:14 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:48:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Install problems with numpy via pip on Snow Leopard
 (Mac OS X 10.6.x)
In-Reply-To: <1361335972.27451.2.camel@cerebrus>
References: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1361335972.27451.2.camel@cerebrus>
Message-ID: <CANc-5Uy3iHfwNipBbLTspR81=BqOzs2fquh_3+EJdRdhQ1a-ww@mail.gmail.com>

> do
>
> file /Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so
>
> At least that will tell you what architecture the shared object was
> built for.

Thanks, Ken.  That was the clue.  I had run file against that and it
looked fine, however, I'd failed to run file against my Python
interpreter.  They don't match.  Looks like I have a 64-bit numpy and
32-bit Python:

(venv)mysite% file /Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/bin/python
/Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/bin/python: Mach-O executable i386
(venv)mysite% file
/Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so
/Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so:
Mach-O 64-bit bundle x86_64

So, it appears to be time to refresh my Python interpreter.  Is there
an easy way to update the Python install inside an existing
virtualenv?

Skip

From steve at agilitynerd.com  Wed Feb 20 15:03:10 2013
From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:03:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Install problems with numpy via pip on Snow Leopard
 (Mac OS X 10.6.x)
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5Uy3iHfwNipBbLTspR81=BqOzs2fquh_3+EJdRdhQ1a-ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1361335972.27451.2.camel@cerebrus>
	<CANc-5Uy3iHfwNipBbLTspR81=BqOzs2fquh_3+EJdRdhQ1a-ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKY2=TdvuRuBrZy8Pt529akTHoc9jimEq7hKzz6yZWwbufz6+A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> (venv)mysite% file /Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/bin/python
> /Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/bin/python: Mach-O executable i386
> (venv)mysite% file
>
> /Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so
>
> /Users/skip/django/mysite/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/multiarray.so:
> Mach-O 64-bit bundle x86_64
>
> So, it appears to be time to refresh my Python interpreter.  Is there
> an easy way to update the Python install inside an existing
> virtualenv?
>

I usually just rebuild from my requirements.txt file.

But you can also:
rm venv/bin/python*
rm venv/bin/pip*
mvkirtualenv -p yourpythonexe venv

Best Regards,
Steve
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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Feb 20 15:29:43 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:29:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Install problems with numpy via pip on Snow Leopard
 (Mac OS X 10.6.x)
In-Reply-To: <CAKY2=TdvuRuBrZy8Pt529akTHoc9jimEq7hKzz6yZWwbufz6+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5Uw2vVXGpkuEoWzh5Etet9T9tddyiNnLZzGy0kKvqJC8sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1361335972.27451.2.camel@cerebrus>
	<CANc-5Uy3iHfwNipBbLTspR81=BqOzs2fquh_3+EJdRdhQ1a-ww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY2=TdvuRuBrZy8Pt529akTHoc9jimEq7hKzz6yZWwbufz6+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5Uzet2MvT=d1NXyiNVG+OadYBsHn0XPecp0dNA1g0U+G2g@mail.gmail.com>

> I usually just rebuild from my requirements.txt file.

I'm not much of a virtualenv expert and wasn't aware of this.  Though
it seems to be the output of pip freeze.

> But you can also:
> rm venv/bin/python*
> rm venv/bin/pip*
> mvkirtualenv -p yourpythonexe venv

This worked.

Thanks,

Skip

From steder at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 21:14:20 2013
From: steder at gmail.com (Mike Steder)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:14:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] new Chipy.org website
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38smoDWMNuwDozRd3g20nUes4t-zTxXw5N+f2xdb=CO7hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38smoDWMNuwDozRd3g20nUes4t-zTxXw5N+f2xdb=CO7hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4447654873370053767@unknownmsgid>

Looks great on my iPhone!  Fantastic job, folks!

On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

http://chipy.org

This is awesome. Good work everyone especially Cezar and those
participating in our mentoring program.

If you see any issues, please file a ticket here:

   https://github.com/chicagopython/chipy.org/issues/new

PS The artwork was done by the the talented friend, Marysya Rudska, of a
PyCon attendee I met last year
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.201909199853422.55299.100001030304307&type=3

--
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717

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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Feb 21 18:12:06 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:12:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] volunteer for python office hours this week!
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raeMx8j3qy68iDfu791yBsdAgt3wwxgtctS2E4U_T6jPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raeMx8j3qy68iDfu791yBsdAgt3wwxgtctS2E4U_T6jPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rY+9r9aVvV7NAawm+D1dTA=GYzu8=aUN0A+=z_5RSiNHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder that Python Office Hours is tonight!

I'm going to be in a study mode preparing for the
openscienceframework.org sprint, so I would like more people to show
up to help since I'll be a little distracted with it.

I started talking to the project owner about sprint plans, and he said:

"Our current stack is Flask, MongoDB, jQuery, ember.js, Mako
templates, probably Celery and RabbitMQ, and likely Fabric for
deployment. If you don't know those, it would be best to briefly
acquaint yourself with those technologies."

My goal is to acquaint myself with all of those as well as work out a
way to get people able to dive in to a sprint right away at pycon.
This is the first sprint I am helping with and I'm very excited!

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I met new people at chipy last week who mentioned they would show up
> to python office hours. I'd like people with more python experience to
> show up and help field questions!
>
> You are perfect for this if:
>
> * you know some python! maybe even a lot!
> * you are good at being patient so that you can let people drive their computers
>
>
>
> --
> sheila



-- 
sheila

From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Feb 21 18:19:45 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:19:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] open data day, feb 23
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rb+Vs11+2D=bYRh+RNd=bgZ+Xmbk079qACf0HTy2od9tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rb+Vs11+2D=bYRh+RNd=bgZ+Xmbk079qACf0HTy2od9tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rYXmA_SBNT3KjC3sh=ujrnPESsQYjibAgwEPmPmjvjBbA@mail.gmail.com>

It turns out that someone is hosting a non-technical but discussion
friendly open data event:

<http://wiki.opendataday.org/CHICAGO2013>, and I'm going there to hang
out. I've met one of the organizers at python and arduino workshops,
and they are friendly to the idea of someone with experience in open
data showing up to discuss activities and projects. There will be a
screen and projector.

Afterwards they'll probably go to a restaurant in Chinatown to hang
out. I may or may not do that. Good place for restaurants!

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Is anyone hosting an http://opendataday.org/ event in Chicago?
>
> --
> sheila



-- 
sheila

From a_rothenberg at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 21 18:27:08 2013
From: a_rothenberg at hotmail.com (Aaron Rothenberg)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:27:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] open data day, feb 23
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rYXmA_SBNT3KjC3sh=ujrnPESsQYjibAgwEPmPmjvjBbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rb+Vs11+2D=bYRh+RNd=bgZ+Xmbk079qACf0HTy2od9tA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAHCs_rYXmA_SBNT3KjC3sh=ujrnPESsQYjibAgwEPmPmjvjBbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT002-W13127DE5FCBD006B355032BE9F70@phx.gbl>

Is opendataday an open meet?

> From: shekay at pobox.com
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:19:45 -0600
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] open data day, feb 23
> 
> It turns out that someone is hosting a non-technical but discussion
> friendly open data event:
> 
> <http://wiki.opendataday.org/CHICAGO2013>, and I'm going there to hang
> out. I've met one of the organizers at python and arduino workshops,
> and they are friendly to the idea of someone with experience in open
> data showing up to discuss activities and projects. There will be a
> screen and projector.
> 
> Afterwards they'll probably go to a restaurant in Chinatown to hang
> out. I may or may not do that. Good place for restaurants!
> 
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > Is anyone hosting an http://opendataday.org/ event in Chicago?
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
 		 	   		  
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Feb 21 18:37:58 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:37:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] open data day, feb 23
In-Reply-To: <SNT002-W13127DE5FCBD006B355032BE9F70@phx.gbl>
References: <CAHCs_rb+Vs11+2D=bYRh+RNd=bgZ+Xmbk079qACf0HTy2od9tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rYXmA_SBNT3KjC3sh=ujrnPESsQYjibAgwEPmPmjvjBbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT002-W13127DE5FCBD006B355032BE9F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_razj5sZ7VH67zjWoxAh=mrVK4e4CvtfKP2RotsKKxG3Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Aaron Rothenberg
<a_rothenberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Is opendataday an open meet?
>
>> From: shekay at pobox.com
>> [...]
>> It turns out that someone is hosting a non-technical but discussion
>> friendly open data event:
>>
>> <http://wiki.opendataday.org/CHICAGO2013>, and I'm going there to hang
[...]


-- 
sheila

From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 18:52:08 2013
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:52:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] volunteer for python office hours this week!
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rY+9r9aVvV7NAawm+D1dTA=GYzu8=aUN0A+=z_5RSiNHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raeMx8j3qy68iDfu791yBsdAgt3wwxgtctS2E4U_T6jPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rY+9r9aVvV7NAawm+D1dTA=GYzu8=aUN0A+=z_5RSiNHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG0VBHtRRMzSn6mr9Eg7iEMXQwqTYkawdS_OYhMOUJutZ=0wvw@mail.gmail.com>

I will be there tonight and happy to help out or just hang out. I like to
think I know some python.

If you have to get up to speed on ember, I found the peepcode screencast to
be the most helpful 'getting started' resource if you don't mind shelling
out $12. While the framework appears to be slowly turning into less of a
piece of undocumented horseshit, the docs are still wildly hostile to an
absolute beginner. Furthermore, the framework doesn't feel pythonic at all,
very much valuing "convention over configuration"  which to me just feels
like it flies in the face of our "explicit is better than implicit"
aesthetic.

--matt


On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:12 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Just a reminder that Python Office Hours is tonight!
>
> I'm going to be in a study mode preparing for the
> openscienceframework.org sprint, so I would like more people to show
> up to help since I'll be a little distracted with it.
>
> I started talking to the project owner about sprint plans, and he said:
>
> "Our current stack is Flask, MongoDB, jQuery, ember.js, Mako
> templates, probably Celery and RabbitMQ, and likely Fabric for
> deployment. If you don't know those, it would be best to briefly
> acquaint yourself with those technologies."
>
> My goal is to acquaint myself with all of those as well as work out a
> way to get people able to dive in to a sprint right away at pycon.
> This is the first sprint I am helping with and I'm very excited!
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I met new people at chipy last week who mentioned they would show up
> > to python office hours. I'd like people with more python experience to
> > show up and help field questions!
> >
> > You are perfect for this if:
> >
> > * you know some python! maybe even a lot!
> > * you are good at being patient so that you can let people drive their
> computers
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
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From wilson.tamarrie at gmail.com  Thu Feb 21 21:08:19 2013
From: wilson.tamarrie at gmail.com (T Wilson)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] open data day, feb 23
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_razj5sZ7VH67zjWoxAh=mrVK4e4CvtfKP2RotsKKxG3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rb+Vs11+2D=bYRh+RNd=bgZ+Xmbk079qACf0HTy2od9tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rYXmA_SBNT3KjC3sh=ujrnPESsQYjibAgwEPmPmjvjBbA@mail.gmail.com>
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I would like to meet some of you guys.  Sheila i believe i met you already
at the freecycle shop event.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:37 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Yep
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Aaron Rothenberg
> <a_rothenberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Is opendataday an open meet?
> >
> >> From: shekay at pobox.com
> >> [...]
> >> It turns out that someone is hosting a non-technical but discussion
> >> friendly open data event:
> >>
> >> <http://wiki.opendataday.org/CHICAGO2013>, and I'm going there to hang
> [...]
>
>
> --
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 04:07:02 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:07:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Talk Proposal: Python Deployments at The Onion
Message-ID: <CANKg38vg+owkKGPn_Oc44xrbpova=zqR5Xq0EybK9WR2Q9gE7w@mail.gmail.com>

These are now coming in from our handy webform found here
http://chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose

Until we figure out how we are going to handle this new feature, I will
just repost here:

"Python Deployments at The Onion (and elsewhere)" Via Chris Sinchok
> I'd like to talk about various Python deployment strategies and
> technologies, ranging from the na?ve (git pull) to the more robust (fabric,
> capistrano) to the "Enterprise" (Python native package deployments, etc).
> In order to illustrate these different strategies and technologies, I'll
> take examples from my past projects, and the constantly-evolving Onion
> deploy process.


+1

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 05:02:21 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:02:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Talk Proposal: Python Deployments at The Onion
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38vg+owkKGPn_Oc44xrbpova=zqR5Xq0EybK9WR2Q9gE7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vg+owkKGPn_Oc44xrbpova=zqR5Xq0EybK9WR2Q9gE7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqvpZF-E_6Er06eN6=wg_CgvZ9YbhXhpctC22L1EPGmKbA@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like a great talk.


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> These are now coming in from our handy webform found here
> http://chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose
>
> Until we figure out how we are going to handle this new feature, I will
> just repost here:
>
> "Python Deployments at The Onion (and elsewhere)" Via Chris Sinchok
>> I'd like to talk about various Python deployment strategies and
>> technologies, ranging from the na?ve (git pull) to the more robust (fabric,
>> capistrano) to the "Enterprise" (Python native package deployments, etc).
>> In order to illustrate these different strategies and technologies, I'll
>> take examples from my past projects, and the constantly-evolving Onion
>> deploy process.
>
>
> +1
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 05:26:08 2013
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:26:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Talk Proposal: Python Deployments at The Onion
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqvpZF-E_6Er06eN6=wg_CgvZ9YbhXhpctC22L1EPGmKbA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAN6vQqvpZF-E_6Er06eN6=wg_CgvZ9YbhXhpctC22L1EPGmKbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+VOWAGB-PcRQYL4ajK6tyjjGDXvC2oJeEax7s=qC6+Nzo9jbw@mail.gmail.com>

+1

I'm always interested to hear about deploy strategies.


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:

> This sounds like a great talk.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These are now coming in from our handy webform found here
>> http://chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose
>>
>> Until we figure out how we are going to handle this new feature, I will
>> just repost here:
>>
>> "Python Deployments at The Onion (and elsewhere)" Via Chris Sinchok
>>> I'd like to talk about various Python deployment strategies and
>>> technologies, ranging from the na?ve (git pull) to the more robust (fabric,
>>> capistrano) to the "Enterprise" (Python native package deployments, etc).
>>> In order to illustrate these different strategies and technologies, I'll
>>> take examples from my past projects, and the constantly-evolving Onion
>>> deploy process.
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 05:52:45 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:52:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Talk Proposal: Python Deployments at The Onion
In-Reply-To: <CA+VOWAGB-PcRQYL4ajK6tyjjGDXvC2oJeEax7s=qC6+Nzo9jbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vg+owkKGPn_Oc44xrbpova=zqR5Xq0EybK9WR2Q9gE7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqvpZF-E_6Er06eN6=wg_CgvZ9YbhXhpctC22L1EPGmKbA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAN6vQqsJC9OWXVsU1duQq9z71_QhvorEmK1f9BtCGz1wQ8KdZA@mail.gmail.com>

Think I'll start a thread about this.


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> +1
>
> I'm always interested to hear about deploy strategies.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
> emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This sounds like a great talk.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> These are now coming in from our handy webform found here
>>> http://chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose
>>>
>>> Until we figure out how we are going to handle this new feature, I will
>>> just repost here:
>>>
>>> "Python Deployments at The Onion (and elsewhere)" Via Chris Sinchok
>>>> I'd like to talk about various Python deployment strategies and
>>>> technologies, ranging from the na?ve (git pull) to the more robust (fabric,
>>>> capistrano) to the "Enterprise" (Python native package deployments, etc).
>>>> In order to illustrate these different strategies and technologies,
>>>> I'll take examples from my past projects, and the constantly-evolving Onion
>>>> deploy process.
>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Ray
>>> @brianray
>>> (773) 669-7717
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 05:57:01 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:57:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] How do you deploy?
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqubrvCfgm4b9dU_GG_M+sPoNFxy2kyArWCaFx6VGKsZ5g@mail.gmail.com>

Wondering what most people are doing. Seems to me deployments are currently
in a few groupings.

- Fabric to personal server or AWS
- By hand to personal server or AWS
- Something custom, like a custom git-hook
- Pushing to Heroku or another PaaS like OpenShift, Stackato etc.

What is your prefered method?

Mine personally is Heroku for most things. I prefer a PaaS if I can get
away with it. If I need custom, I prefer Chef (maybe Ansible/Salt in the
future). Custom is going to be much easier now that EC2 has Chef support
built in.
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Mon Feb 25 06:37:25 2013
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:37:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] How do you deploy?
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqubrvCfgm4b9dU_GG_M+sPoNFxy2kyArWCaFx6VGKsZ5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQqubrvCfgm4b9dU_GG_M+sPoNFxy2kyArWCaFx6VGKsZ5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADipiAOySsmcieOuy=HntiYHhv-ybnwY5YQKcL0yD4zReBGkYg@mail.gmail.com>

I've developed my own deployment container that I may present to ChiPy in
the future.

Otherwise, I have a rule of thumb: don't use deployment solutions that
themselves need deployment. Fabric and Puppet both break that rule, and I
prefer not to use them. I've used Chef in the past, and was thoroughly
frustrated when Chef itself broke.

So, I recommend (R)ex?: http://rexify.org/

It uses SSH for its transport, so it will always work, even on clean nodes.
And its Perl scripts are actually very friendly to use, no less so than the
Ruby-based tools. It has great industry support, is rock-solid and has lots
of plugins, including integration with Gearman for really big deployments
that can benefit from concurrency (that, of course, does require deploying
Gearman). Documentation is imperfect, but I recommend investing in learning
it.

Also, I am assuming you want to deploy Python: you absolutely want to use
virtualenv, and also Supervisor if you need to run multiple servers.

Finally, in terms of versioning, consider packaging in .deb or .rpm, and
managing your own repository. More learning up front, for sure, but it
makes installation/upgrades dead easy, and also safe (no orphaned files).

Another pro-tip: I strongly recommend the "configuration by script"
approach. Instead of hardcoded (or generated) configuration files that you
have to deploy to each node, have your Python (or other language) apps know
how to configure themselves upon startup according to interrogation of
their runtime environment. All cloud implementations have some sort of API
(sometimes REST-based) for that. It's more work to do this, but it means
that you never have to worry about configuration files, especially
*different* configuration files per node. You just need to restart services
in order to "reconfigure" them.

PaaS ends up costing you more in the long-run, and you may hit various
walls in terms of flexibility. Consider rolling your own solution, which
you completely own and can fine-tune.

-Tal

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wondering what most people are doing. Seems to me deployments are
> currently in a few groupings.
>
> - Fabric to personal server or AWS
> - By hand to personal server or AWS
> - Something custom, like a custom git-hook
> - Pushing to Heroku or another PaaS like OpenShift, Stackato etc.
>
> What is your prefered method?
>
> Mine personally is Heroku for most things. I prefer a PaaS if I can get
> away with it. If I need custom, I prefer Chef (maybe Ansible/Salt in the
> future). Custom is going to be much easier now that EC2 has Chef support
> built in.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 07:37:42 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:37:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] How do you deploy?
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqubrvCfgm4b9dU_GG_M+sPoNFxy2kyArWCaFx6VGKsZ5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQqubrvCfgm4b9dU_GG_M+sPoNFxy2kyArWCaFx6VGKsZ5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKwoybg6xR4FFGrD25bnr+2XofXcgboypt3DXZ0QGZh3vXscmA@mail.gmail.com>

I have some fancy Fabric scripts.

I also have been working on an off on a deployment/server management tool I
call "sovereign".  It's basically all about turning servers groups into
a hierarchy of REST services.


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wondering what most people are doing. Seems to me deployments are
> currently in a few groupings.
>
> - Fabric to personal server or AWS
> - By hand to personal server or AWS
> - Something custom, like a custom git-hook
> - Pushing to Heroku or another PaaS like OpenShift, Stackato etc.
>
> What is your prefered method?
>
> Mine personally is Heroku for most things. I prefer a PaaS if I can get
> away with it. If I need custom, I prefer Chef (maybe Ansible/Salt in the
> future). Custom is going to be much easier now that EC2 has Chef support
> built in.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 13:53:41 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:53:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] How do you deploy?
In-Reply-To: <CADipiAOySsmcieOuy=HntiYHhv-ybnwY5YQKcL0yD4zReBGkYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6vQqubrvCfgm4b9dU_GG_M+sPoNFxy2kyArWCaFx6VGKsZ5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADipiAOySsmcieOuy=HntiYHhv-ybnwY5YQKcL0yD4zReBGkYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqudcEqiAk1BZmO3ivhXQRX-qcgyJBx4yimao54HsjNfsg@mail.gmail.com>

Rex looks interesting.

I do have to disagree about Chef/Puppet a little. It's true it does take
some setup, but it's also for configuring the entire machine and
infrastruture. DB machines, load balancers, etc. In that case I think the
trade-off is worth it. That said, I believe Ansible runs locally and
reaches into the machines to do setup.

One way to get around all that is using Amazon OpsWorks (
https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/) That runs Chef and everything and you
just give it the recipies (scripts).

>From the experiences I hear, a PaaS works for many for a while. When they
hit the configurability wall at some point in their apps lifecycle they
move it over to something custom. For me, I've actually enjoyed the
restrictions of Ubuntu. A long time ago when I hit one of their wall, which
was 30 second max request time, I was annoyed, but like significant
whitespace in Python, I've found the restrictions to have increased the
quality of the architecture of my apps. In this example, if somethings
going to take over 30 seconds, it should be pushed off. Celery for
processes, and directly to S3 for uploads.

I do think everyone should know how to deploy by hand though. So do that at
least once.


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

> I've developed my own deployment container that I may present to ChiPy in
> the future.
>
> Otherwise, I have a rule of thumb: don't use deployment solutions that
> themselves need deployment. Fabric and Puppet both break that rule, and I
> prefer not to use them. I've used Chef in the past, and was thoroughly
> frustrated when Chef itself broke.
>
> So, I recommend (R)ex?: http://rexify.org/
>
> It uses SSH for its transport, so it will always work, even on clean
> nodes. And its Perl scripts are actually very friendly to use, no less so
> than the Ruby-based tools. It has great industry support, is rock-solid and
> has lots of plugins, including integration with Gearman for really big
> deployments that can benefit from concurrency (that, of course, does
> require deploying Gearman). Documentation is imperfect, but I recommend
> investing in learning it.
>
> Also, I am assuming you want to deploy Python: you absolutely want to use
> virtualenv, and also Supervisor if you need to run multiple servers.
>
> Finally, in terms of versioning, consider packaging in .deb or .rpm, and
> managing your own repository. More learning up front, for sure, but it
> makes installation/upgrades dead easy, and also safe (no orphaned files).
>
> Another pro-tip: I strongly recommend the "configuration by script"
> approach. Instead of hardcoded (or generated) configuration files that you
> have to deploy to each node, have your Python (or other language) apps know
> how to configure themselves upon startup according to interrogation of
> their runtime environment. All cloud implementations have some sort of API
> (sometimes REST-based) for that. It's more work to do this, but it means
> that you never have to worry about configuration files, especially
> *different* configuration files per node. You just need to restart services
> in order to "reconfigure" them.
>
> PaaS ends up costing you more in the long-run, and you may hit various
> walls in terms of flexibility. Consider rolling your own solution, which
> you completely own and can fine-tune.
>
> -Tal
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
> emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wondering what most people are doing. Seems to me deployments are
>> currently in a few groupings.
>>
>> - Fabric to personal server or AWS
>> - By hand to personal server or AWS
>> - Something custom, like a custom git-hook
>> - Pushing to Heroku or another PaaS like OpenShift, Stackato etc.
>>
>> What is your prefered method?
>>
>> Mine personally is Heroku for most things. I prefer a PaaS if I can get
>> away with it. If I need custom, I prefer Chef (maybe Ansible/Salt in the
>> future). Custom is going to be much easier now that EC2 has Chef support
>> built in.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Feb 25 14:29:57 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 07:29:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Talk Proposal: Python Deployments at The Onion
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38vg+owkKGPn_Oc44xrbpova=zqR5Xq0EybK9WR2Q9gE7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vg+owkKGPn_Oc44xrbpova=zqR5Xq0EybK9WR2Q9gE7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbmEvCZAVfviAbBtJhu9CCT4059z=2dxCVYbHmYtG1WFQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm +1 and I'd also like to request that someone record this since
I'll be at pycon sprints.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

>> "Python Deployments at The Onion (and elsewhere)" Via Chris Sinchok




-- 
sheila

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 15:23:35 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:23:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Talk Proposal: Python Deployments at The Onion
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbmEvCZAVfviAbBtJhu9CCT4059z=2dxCVYbHmYtG1WFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vg+owkKGPn_Oc44xrbpova=zqR5Xq0EybK9WR2Q9gE7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rbmEvCZAVfviAbBtJhu9CCT4059z=2dxCVYbHmYtG1WFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38sOMRnVip-stHLHBEsY7=r7=WBE3UuZwuEjj=ixkUqsqg@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder, next month's ChiPy will be March 21st so not
to interfere with PyCon. (RSVP here http://www.chipy.org/). That should
only conflict for those of you enough to stay for the sprints. The main
part of PyCon should not conflict.


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:29 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> I'm +1 and I'd also like to request that someone record this since
> I'll be at pycon sprints.
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Python Deployments at The Onion (and elsewhere)" Via Chris Sinchok
>
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From ralph at leasttry.com  Mon Feb 25 16:28:45 2013
From: ralph at leasttry.com (Ralph Loizzo)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:28:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Learning to use python for the web
Message-ID: <624B3A91-8D9B-4AD6-B79A-BACDD859F727@leasttry.com>

Hello all,

new to the mailing list.

I come from a compiled language background, then went on to ruby, but the more I use python I love the readability of it and am really enjoying learning it.
But now I want to start using it on some web sites I maintain.  Any suggestions on a path to learning this?  I mean should I be embracing the django framework? 

What approach should I take to learning how I can use the features of python for the web?

Ralph Loizzo


From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb 25 16:44:50 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:44:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Learning to use python for the web
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Ralph Loizzo <ralph at leasttry.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> new to the mailing list.
>
> I come from a compiled language background, then went on to ruby, but the more I use python I love the readability of it and am really enjoying learning it.
> But now I want to start using it on some web sites I maintain.  Any suggestions on a path to learning this?  I mean should I be embracing the django framework?
>
> What approach should I take to learning how I can use the features of python for the web?
>


https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/quickstart

This seems to be a great way to go from where you are to where you
want to be next.

I will have to admit I have not done it myself, but I have been in the
room with others did, and even more others sing its praises.

-- 
Carl K

From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Feb 25 17:01:09 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:01:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Learning to use python for the web
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Ralph Loizzo <ralph at leasttry.com> wrote:
[...]
>> What approach should I take to learning how I can use the features of python for the web?
>>
>
>
> https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/quickstart
>
> This seems to be a great way to go from where you are to where you
> want to be next.
>
> I will have to admit I have not done it myself, but I have been in the
> room with others did, and even more others sing its praises.

I agree the heroku tutorial is a really nice way to become familiar
with creating a web app as well as the concept of automated
deployment.

I would also highly recommend The Hitchhicker's Guide to Python, and
in particular, you will want to take a look at the section on web
development.

http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/scenarios/web/



-- 
sheila

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 25 17:19:20 2013
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:19:20 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] How do you deploy?
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I work for http://www.opdemand.com/ so I'll try not to sell this too hard.

To run on EC2 you absolutely do need to get your whole installation down to
1 script that you can run over and over. We made some choices early on to
try to get people to use masterless puppet(we are otherwise a python shop),
but it's easy to sub in your own.


I am planning to be in Chicago in April if anyone is interested in a
presentation about how we use python and how to host python apps.




On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rex looks interesting.
>
> I do have to disagree about Chef/Puppet a little. It's true it does take
> some setup, but it's also for configuring the entire machine and
> infrastruture. DB machines, load balancers, etc. In that case I think the
> trade-off is worth it. That said, I believe Ansible runs locally and
> reaches into the machines to do setup.
>
> One way to get around all that is using Amazon OpsWorks (
> https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/) That runs Chef and everything and you
> just give it the recipies (scripts).
>
> From the experiences I hear, a PaaS works for many for a while. When they
> hit the configurability wall at some point in their apps lifecycle they
> move it over to something custom. For me, I've actually enjoyed the
> restrictions of Ubuntu. A long time ago when I hit one of their wall, which
> was 30 second max request time, I was annoyed, but like significant
> whitespace in Python, I've found the restrictions to have increased the
> quality of the architecture of my apps. In this example, if somethings
> going to take over 30 seconds, it should be pushed off. Celery for
> processes, and directly to S3 for uploads.
>
> I do think everyone should know how to deploy by hand though. So do that
> at least once.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:
>
>> I've developed my own deployment container that I may present to ChiPy in
>> the future.
>>
>> Otherwise, I have a rule of thumb: don't use deployment solutions that
>> themselves need deployment. Fabric and Puppet both break that rule, and I
>> prefer not to use them. I've used Chef in the past, and was thoroughly
>> frustrated when Chef itself broke.
>>
>> So, I recommend (R)ex?: http://rexify.org/
>>
>> It uses SSH for its transport, so it will always work, even on clean
>> nodes. And its Perl scripts are actually very friendly to use, no less so
>> than the Ruby-based tools. It has great industry support, is rock-solid and
>> has lots of plugins, including integration with Gearman for really big
>> deployments that can benefit from concurrency (that, of course, does
>> require deploying Gearman). Documentation is imperfect, but I recommend
>> investing in learning it.
>>
>> Also, I am assuming you want to deploy Python: you absolutely want to use
>> virtualenv, and also Supervisor if you need to run multiple servers.
>>
>> Finally, in terms of versioning, consider packaging in .deb or .rpm, and
>> managing your own repository. More learning up front, for sure, but it
>> makes installation/upgrades dead easy, and also safe (no orphaned files).
>>
>> Another pro-tip: I strongly recommend the "configuration by script"
>> approach. Instead of hardcoded (or generated) configuration files that you
>> have to deploy to each node, have your Python (or other language) apps know
>> how to configure themselves upon startup according to interrogation of
>> their runtime environment. All cloud implementations have some sort of API
>> (sometimes REST-based) for that. It's more work to do this, but it means
>> that you never have to worry about configuration files, especially
>> *different* configuration files per node. You just need to restart services
>> in order to "reconfigure" them.
>>
>> PaaS ends up costing you more in the long-run, and you may hit various
>> walls in terms of flexibility. Consider rolling your own solution, which
>> you completely own and can fine-tune.
>>
>> -Tal
>>
>>  On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
>> emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Wondering what most people are doing. Seems to me deployments are
>>> currently in a few groupings.
>>>
>>> - Fabric to personal server or AWS
>>> - By hand to personal server or AWS
>>> - Something custom, like a custom git-hook
>>> - Pushing to Heroku or another PaaS like OpenShift, Stackato etc.
>>>
>>> What is your prefered method?
>>>
>>> Mine personally is Heroku for most things. I prefer a PaaS if I can get
>>> away with it. If I need custom, I prefer Chef (maybe Ansible/Salt in the
>>> future). Custom is going to be much easier now that EC2 has Chef support
>>> built in.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 00:18:37 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:18:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Learning to use python for the web
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Unfortunately the fantastic link that Carl and Sheila provided me for going
to Heroku and learning all of this was somewhere beyond the realm for me
right now.  I have retreated to the Rice Course and the next game.  Memory.
 I have also been attending any hacks I could make though and am trying to
build my stack on my silly little Dell 700m and Windows XP.

Here is Memory for anyone on Chrome and maybe Firefox but not IE:

http://www.codeskulptor.org/#user8-VAPELDAH9s-6.py

I will come at this web and Python question again soon and hope the folks
here have worked out the kinks by then.


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Ralph Loizzo <ralph at leasttry.com>
> wrote:
> [...]
> >> What approach should I take to learning how I can use the features of
> python for the web?
> >>
> >
> >
> > https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/quickstart
> >
> > This seems to be a great way to go from where you are to where you
> > want to be next.
> >
> > I will have to admit I have not done it myself, but I have been in the
> > room with others did, and even more others sing its praises.
>
> I agree the heroku tutorial is a really nice way to become familiar
> with creating a web app as well as the concept of automated
> deployment.
>
> I would also highly recommend The Hitchhicker's Guide to Python, and
> in particular, you will want to take a look at the section on web
> development.
>
> http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/scenarios/web/
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From john at mail.npxdesigns.com  Tue Feb 26 14:13:28 2013
From: john at mail.npxdesigns.com (John Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:13:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] How do you deploy?
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On Feb 25, 2013, at 5:00 AM, chicago-request at python.org wrote:

> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:37:25 -0600
> From: Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> 
> I've developed my own deployment container that I may present to ChiPy in
> the future.
> 
> Otherwise, I have a rule of thumb: don't use deployment solutions that
> themselves need deployment. Fabric and Puppet both break that rule, and I
> prefer not to use them.

How do you figure Fabric (which requires only a 'pip install' step on your deploy-from node, plus copying your fabric script to the same machine) does worse in this regard than (R)?ex, which presumably has its own installation and configuration step?  You have to start somewhere.  Fabric also uses SSH for its transport -- we have used it for the past few years on deployment to O(100) servers at the South Pole from one deploy server.  There are things I don't like about it (it's essentially just some convenience wrappers for scripted deployment steps, vs. the apparently more declarative syntax provided by Puppet; plus all the 'env' stuff feels clumsy to me), but I'd like to understand your point about how Fabric needs deployment whereas your (R)?ex system does not.

We use both Puppet and Fabric on our project - Puppet for the fairly stable, packaged stuff which our IT group controls, and Fabric for deploying hand-rolled stuff which changes fairly often and needs lots of fine-tuning by the developers.  The split isn't perfect but it has certainly worked well enough for us so far.

Cheers,
John

> I've used Chef in the past, and was thoroughly
> frustrated when Chef itself broke.
> 
> So, I recommend (R)ex?: http://rexify.org/
> 
> It uses SSH for its transport, so it will always work, even on clean nodes.
> And its Perl scripts are actually very friendly to use, no less so than the
> Ruby-based tools. It has great industry support, is rock-solid and has lots
> of plugins, including integration with Gearman for really big deployments
> that can benefit from concurrency (that, of course, does require deploying
> Gearman). Documentation is imperfect, but I recommend investing in learning
> it.
> 
> Also, I am assuming you want to deploy Python: you absolutely want to use
> virtualenv, and also Supervisor if you need to run multiple servers.
> 
> Finally, in terms of versioning, consider packaging in .deb or .rpm, and
> managing your own repository. More learning up front, for sure, but it
> makes installation/upgrades dead easy, and also safe (no orphaned files).
> 
> Another pro-tip: I strongly recommend the "configuration by script"
> approach. Instead of hardcoded (or generated) configuration files that you
> have to deploy to each node, have your Python (or other language) apps know
> how to configure themselves upon startup according to interrogation of
> their runtime environment. All cloud implementations have some sort of API
> (sometimes REST-based) for that. It's more work to do this, but it means
> that you never have to worry about configuration files, especially
> *different* configuration files per node. You just need to restart services
> in order to "reconfigure" them.
> 
> PaaS ends up costing you more in the long-run, and you may hit various
> walls in terms of flexibility. Consider rolling your own solution, which
> you completely own and can fine-tune.
> 
> -Tal
> 


From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 15:08:47 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:08:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Learning to use python for the web
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Replying to myself because it turns out the restart needed work.  I feel
like I am getting pretty good at the basic language but I know I lack a lot
in elegance and more complicated data structures.  I think this will come
as I get a chance to hack on the open gov projects.  First I want to finish
the exercise for the Rice Course.


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Unfortunately the fantastic link that Carl and Sheila provided me for
> going to Heroku and learning all of this was somewhere beyond the realm for
> me right now.  I have retreated to the Rice Course and the next game.
>  Memory.  I have also been attending any hacks I could make though and am
> trying to build my stack on my silly little Dell 700m and Windows XP.
>
> Here is Memory for anyone on Chrome and maybe Firefox but not IE:
>
> http://www.codeskulptor.org/#user8-VAPELDAH9s-6.py
>
> I will come at this web and Python question again soon and hope the folks
> here have worked out the kinks by then.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Ralph Loizzo <ralph at leasttry.com>
>> wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> What approach should I take to learning how I can use the features of
>> python for the web?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/quickstart
>> >
>> > This seems to be a great way to go from where you are to where you
>> > want to be next.
>> >
>> > I will have to admit I have not done it myself, but I have been in the
>> > room with others did, and even more others sing its praises.
>>
>> I agree the heroku tutorial is a really nice way to become familiar
>> with creating a web app as well as the concept of automated
>> deployment.
>>
>> I would also highly recommend The Hitchhicker's Guide to Python, and
>> in particular, you will want to take a look at the section on web
>> development.
>>
>> http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/scenarios/web/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 15:10:16 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:10:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Learning to use python for the web
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http://www.codeskulptor.org/#user8-VAPELDAH9s-8.py

Memory game.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Replying to myself because it turns out the restart needed work.  I feel
> like I am getting pretty good at the basic language but I know I lack a lot
> in elegance and more complicated data structures.  I think this will come
> as I get a chance to hack on the open gov projects.  First I want to finish
> the exercise for the Rice Course.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the fantastic link that Carl and Sheila provided me for
>> going to Heroku and learning all of this was somewhere beyond the realm for
>> me right now.  I have retreated to the Rice Course and the next game.
>>  Memory.  I have also been attending any hacks I could make though and am
>> trying to build my stack on my silly little Dell 700m and Windows XP.
>>
>> Here is Memory for anyone on Chrome and maybe Firefox but not IE:
>>
>> http://www.codeskulptor.org/#user8-VAPELDAH9s-6.py
>>
>> I will come at this web and Python question again soon and hope the folks
>> here have worked out the kinks by then.
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Ralph Loizzo <ralph at leasttry.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> >> What approach should I take to learning how I can use the features of
>>> python for the web?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/quickstart
>>> >
>>> > This seems to be a great way to go from where you are to where you
>>> > want to be next.
>>> >
>>> > I will have to admit I have not done it myself, but I have been in the
>>> > room with others did, and even more others sing its praises.
>>>
>>> I agree the heroku tutorial is a really nice way to become familiar
>>> with creating a web app as well as the concept of automated
>>> deployment.
>>>
>>> I would also highly recommend The Hitchhicker's Guide to Python, and
>>> in particular, you will want to take a look at the section on web
>>> development.
>>>
>>> http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/scenarios/web/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> sheila
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
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From ralph at leasttry.com  Tue Feb 26 17:58:04 2013
From: ralph at leasttry.com (Ralph Loizzo)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:58:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Learning to use python for the web
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Just wanted to thank you all for your help and your suggestions.  

Your help is greatly appreciated.

Ralph Loizzo


From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Feb 27 01:44:16 2013
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:44:16 -0600
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 04:21:04 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:21:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried searching
through my archive but can't seem to find it......

I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
Exercises, equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like
the "which editor do *you* recommend" question in that it gets asked all
the time, but well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would
like to keep annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm,
*delightful* strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
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From feihong.hsu at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 04:35:57 2013
From: feihong.hsu at gmail.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:35:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
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Depending on what kind of RSI you have, a massage therapist might be able
to help, or perhaps even surgery. I did a talk on wrist stretches at a
Djangonauts meetup in 2011, although there is no video. However, there is
this post which contains my notes along with relevant links:

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/django-chicago/3mVDDyHU4Ug/discussion


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
> searching through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>
> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
> Exercises, equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like
> the "which editor do *you* recommend" question in that it gets asked all
> the time, but well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would
> like to keep annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm,
> *delightful* strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From eviljoel at linux.com  Thu Feb 28 04:38:00 2013
From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:38:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANttP85Kk5O5t92c2_xEbVo=DkxxqWOtW_MQ8Uhj-qjAhGojQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Daniel,

I forwarded your message to the person who probably posted on that.
I'm sure he'll contact you.  Let me know if he doesn't.

Thanks,
eviljoel


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried searching
> through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>
> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.  Exercises,
> equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like the "which
> editor do you recommend" question in that it gets asked all the time, but
> well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would like to keep
> annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm, delightful
> strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 04:40:34 2013
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:40:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAG_DhpR46CwATC4r=7N6ZF9yh3+4keO6MUGt75XtNSeKCAXR7g@mail.gmail.com>
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I have these RSI gloves which make your hands have proper posture. They
work pretty well.
http://www.amazon.com/Imak-Smart-Glove-Medium-Pack/dp/B001G7QQO0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1362022818&sr=8-2&keywords=RSI+glove
---Profile:---
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Feihong Hsu <feihong.hsu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Depending on what kind of RSI you have, a massage therapist might be able
> to help, or perhaps even surgery. I did a talk on wrist stretches at a
> Djangonauts meetup in 2011, although there is no video. However, there is
> this post which contains my notes along with relevant links:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/django-chicago/3mVDDyHU4Ug/discussion
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
>> searching through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>>
>> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
>> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
>> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
>> Exercises, equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like
>> the "which editor do *you* recommend" question in that it gets asked all
>> the time, but well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would
>> like to keep annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm,
>> *delightful* strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 04:42:53 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:42:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAG_DhpR46CwATC4r=7N6ZF9yh3+4keO6MUGt75XtNSeKCAXR7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG_DhpR46CwATC4r=7N6ZF9yh3+4keO6MUGt75XtNSeKCAXR7g@mail.gmail.com>
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thanks man, much appreciated.  Don't think surgery is in the cards for me
(I hope!)  It's just starting to affect other things in my life and I want
to be proactive.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Feihong Hsu <feihong.hsu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Depending on what kind of RSI you have, a massage therapist might be able
> to help, or perhaps even surgery. I did a talk on wrist stretches at a
> Djangonauts meetup in 2011, although there is no video. However, there is
> this post which contains my notes along with relevant links:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/django-chicago/3mVDDyHU4Ug/discussion
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
>> searching through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>>
>> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
>> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
>> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
>> Exercises, equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like
>> the "which editor do *you* recommend" question in that it gets asked all
>> the time, but well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would
>> like to keep annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm,
>> *delightful* strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 04:45:13 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:45:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
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This is the only post I could find:

  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2008-June/004301.html

I try not to pretend to be an archivist, but hopefully a good samaritan.
Also, please note, It happened to be mentioned in a VIM and Emac flame war,
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 04:45:48 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:45:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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	<CAG_DhpR46CwATC4r=7N6ZF9yh3+4keO6MUGt75XtNSeKCAXR7g@mail.gmail.com>
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thanks ya'll !

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have these RSI gloves which make your hands have proper posture. They
> work pretty well.
> http://www.amazon.com/Imak-Smart-Glove-Medium-Pack/dp/B001G7QQO0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1362022818&sr=8-2&keywords=RSI+glove
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Feihong Hsu <feihong.hsu at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Depending on what kind of RSI you have, a massage therapist might be able
>> to help, or perhaps even surgery. I did a talk on wrist stretches at a
>> Djangonauts meetup in 2011, although there is no video. However, there is
>> this post which contains my notes along with relevant links:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/django-chicago/3mVDDyHU4Ug/discussion
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
>>> searching through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>>>
>>> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
>>> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
>>> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
>>> Exercises, equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like
>>> the "which editor do *you* recommend" question in that it gets asked
>>> all the time, but well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and
>>> would like to keep annoying friends and roommates for years to come with
>>> my, erm, *delightful* strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 04:47:29 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:47:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tkQjrmPAOneHE-EZ6hgjMZVDHROR92q-kub1+uS5OiWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CANKg38tkQjrmPAOneHE-EZ6hgjMZVDHROR92q-kub1+uS5OiWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I must've been thinking of something else, thanks for diggin Brian.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the only post I could find:
>
>   http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2008-June/004301.html
>
> I try not to pretend to be an archivist, but hopefully a good samaritan.
> Also, please note, It happened to be mentioned in a VIM and Emac flame war,
> go figure.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From jzellman at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 05:13:38 2013
From: jzellman at gmail.com (Jeffrey Zellman)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:13:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG-ExGK21T0xqG65zLePZ-duCe7LW5=wFYmSM8z3X+s7Z5M3AA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll briefly share what has worked for me... I've been suffering
computer related arm, neck, wrist and back pain for the past for the
past 7 years (since I was 23). Originally I thought it was RSI/Carpal
Tunnel. Turns out my pain was actually coming from trigger points in
my arm, neck, and back muscles. My end goal was to be self sufficient,
not have to rely on injections, pain medication, or even something
irreversible (like surgery). Today, I can work most days without any
pain. When I was 23, the pain was so bad I contemplated switching
careers. What has worked for me is soft tissue massage/trigger point
releases, improving posture, taking breaks, moderate weight lifting,
and eating healthier.

- soft tissue massage/trigger point releases - Make an appointment
with Mary @ http://www.myopain.com (they are located downtown Chicago)
and order this book from amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362024380&sr=8-1&keywords=trigger+point+therapy
I visited Mary I think twice in teh past 7 years. She is the reason
why I can still program for a living.
- Improving posture/taking breaks - there are a ton of resources
online regarding posture (I can dig some up if you would like), but I
also keep an egg timer on my desk and set it at 45 minutes. When it
goes off, I get up and walk around for 5 minutes. Any thinking about
code is not done at my desk either. Oh and I built a treadmill desk
that I frequently work from. Humans were not meant to sit at desks all
day :)
- Moderate weight lifting - mostly pushups, planks, squats (no
weights), and pull ups. The goal for me was to strengthen core/large
muscle groups.
- Eating healthier - I try to stay away from grains and sugars (since
they cause inflammation) and try to eat Paleo about 80% of the time
(See the primal blueprint:
http://www.amazon.com/Primal-Blueprint-Reprogram-effortless-boundless/dp/0982207786/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1362024579&sr=1-1&keywords=primal+blueprint)

Anyways, this is what has worked for me, I know everyone is different,
but I hope some of this will be useful.

Jeff



On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried searching
> through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>
> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.  Exercises,
> equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like the "which
> editor do you recommend" question in that it gets asked all the time, but
> well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would like to keep
> annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm, delightful
> strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From choman at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 05:36:03 2013
From: choman at gmail.com (Chad Homan)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:36:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAG-ExGK21T0xqG65zLePZ-duCe7LW5=wFYmSM8z3X+s7Z5M3AA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG-ExGK21T0xqG65zLePZ-duCe7LW5=wFYmSM8z3X+s7Z5M3AA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Xrk5gPz8imDBGNO3AEV_UCXpTnniKnrqYvH7uEqZFJMGfB0w@mail.gmail.com>

You asked for voodoo cures, how about a magical elixir.   Just kidding or
am I.  I am not trying to abuse this list
cause I love it and python.  But health and wellness are close to my heart
and it's amazing what can be prevented
with good nutrition

I have been blessed by someone introducing me to a extremely powerful
nutritional drink called MonaVIe. It
is an all natural drink that contains 19 fruits and is very high in
antioxidants.  It's flagship product also contains
11 vegetables.  The two juices I would recommend are Active and Mx, both
contain a plant derived glucosamine

Feel free to visit my website or contact me directly for more information.
choman.mymonavie.com

Fellow programmer trying to help

--
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Do You Know Your Life Score? <http://choman.mymonavie.com>
Creating A More Meaningful Life

Together We Win!
--
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Jeffrey Zellman <jzellman at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'll briefly share what has worked for me... I've been suffering
> computer related arm, neck, wrist and back pain for the past for the
> past 7 years (since I was 23). Originally I thought it was RSI/Carpal
> Tunnel. Turns out my pain was actually coming from trigger points in
> my arm, neck, and back muscles. My end goal was to be self sufficient,
> not have to rely on injections, pain medication, or even something
> irreversible (like surgery). Today, I can work most days without any
> pain. When I was 23, the pain was so bad I contemplated switching
> careers. What has worked for me is soft tissue massage/trigger point
> releases, improving posture, taking breaks, moderate weight lifting,
> and eating healthier.
>
> - soft tissue massage/trigger point releases - Make an appointment
> with Mary @ http://www.myopain.com (they are located downtown Chicago)
> and order this book from amazon
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362024380&sr=8-1&keywords=trigger+point+therapy
> I visited Mary I think twice in teh past 7 years. She is the reason
> why I can still program for a living.
> - Improving posture/taking breaks - there are a ton of resources
> online regarding posture (I can dig some up if you would like), but I
> also keep an egg timer on my desk and set it at 45 minutes. When it
> goes off, I get up and walk around for 5 minutes. Any thinking about
> code is not done at my desk either. Oh and I built a treadmill desk
> that I frequently work from. Humans were not meant to sit at desks all
> day :)
> - Moderate weight lifting - mostly pushups, planks, squats (no
> weights), and pull ups. The goal for me was to strengthen core/large
> muscle groups.
> - Eating healthier - I try to stay away from grains and sugars (since
> they cause inflammation) and try to eat Paleo about 80% of the time
> (See the primal blueprint:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Primal-Blueprint-Reprogram-effortless-boundless/dp/0982207786/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1362024579&sr=1-1&keywords=primal+blueprint
> )
>
> Anyways, this is what has worked for me, I know everyone is different,
> but I hope some of this will be useful.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
> searching
> > through my archive but can't seem to find it......
> >
> > I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
> > following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and
> I'm
> > desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
>  Exercises,
> > equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like the "which
> > editor do you recommend" question in that it gets asked all the time, but
> > well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would like to keep
> > annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm, delightful
> > strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From skip.montanaro at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 14:42:09 2013
From: skip.montanaro at gmail.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:42:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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Rest, rest, rest. Use software to enforce rest periods if necessary. I
wrote a Tkinter program years ago (watch) that would lock my screen at
user-defined intervals. When my wrists were really bad I would go as far as
resting three minutes for every ten of work.

Skip
On Feb 27, 2013 9:45 PM, "Daniel Peters" <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks man, much appreciated.  Don't think surgery is in the cards for me
> (I hope!)  It's just starting to affect other things in my life and I want
> to be proactive.
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Feihong Hsu <feihong.hsu at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Depending on what kind of RSI you have, a massage therapist might be able
>> to help, or perhaps even surgery. I did a talk on wrist stretches at a
>> Djangonauts meetup in 2011, although there is no video. However, there is
>> this post which contains my notes along with relevant links:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/django-chicago/3mVDDyHU4Ug/discussion
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
>>> searching through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>>>
>>> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
>>> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
>>> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
>>> Exercises, equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like
>>> the "which editor do *you* recommend" question in that it gets asked
>>> all the time, but well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and
>>> would like to keep annoying friends and roommates for years to come with
>>> my, erm, *delightful* strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Feb 28 16:01:37 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:01:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+Y097=oXeRsxnCcGiciJ3S_=fAvZAH+dd_pK-ZhtGxWQA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried searching
> through my archive but can't seem to find it......

this came up in another mailing list recently, and here's a recap of
the discussion re books, hardware, software, and an upcoming talk at
pycon where you could possibly get advice on using voice for coding

http://www.amazon.com/Its-Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Professionals/dp/0965510999/
http://www.amazon.com/Conquering-Carpal-Syndrome-Repetitive-Injuries/dp/1572240393
http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759

http://www.workrave.org/
http://tech.inhelsinki.nl/antirsi/

hardware
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm
http://www.datahand.com/
http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/product/156?crid=8

dictation stuff
http://www.nuance.com/for-individuals/by-product/dragon-for-mac/dragon-dictate/index.htm
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VoiceCoder/ community


Using Python to Code by Voice
@tavisrudd kk
https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/presentation/43/

[...] Two years ago I developed a case of Emacs Pinkie (RSI) so severe
my hands went numb and I could no longer type or work. Desperate, I
tried voice recognition. At first programming with it was painfully
slow but, as I couldn?t type, I persevered. After several months of
vocab tweaking and duct-tape coding in Python and Emacs Lisp, I had a
system that enabled me to code faster and more efficiently by voice
than I ever had by hand. [...]




-- 
sheila

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 19:39:17 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:39:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbUX35D9ybjxZ3Y0fnafRTPssdWmKdGJx1v2BfZPFUvDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Coding by voice would be *amazing.  *Thanks everybody, I tried the
exercises from the first link I've set a timer to force me to take off time
every hour on the hour.  Very, very much appreciated.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
> searching
> > through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>
> this came up in another mailing list recently, and here's a recap of
> the discussion re books, hardware, software, and an upcoming talk at
> pycon where you could possibly get advice on using voice for coding
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Its-Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Professionals/dp/0965510999/
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Conquering-Carpal-Syndrome-Repetitive-Injuries/dp/1572240393
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759
>
> http://www.workrave.org/
> http://tech.inhelsinki.nl/antirsi/
>
> hardware
> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm
> http://www.datahand.com/
> http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/product/156?crid=8
>
> dictation stuff
>
> http://www.nuance.com/for-individuals/by-product/dragon-for-mac/dragon-dictate/index.htm
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VoiceCoder/ community
>
>
> Using Python to Code by Voice
> @tavisrudd kk
> https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/presentation/43/
>
> [...] Two years ago I developed a case of Emacs Pinkie (RSI) so severe
> my hands went numb and I could no longer type or work. Desperate, I
> tried voice recognition. At first programming with it was painfully
> slow but, as I couldn?t type, I persevered. After several months of
> vocab tweaking and duct-tape coding in Python and Emacs Lisp, I had a
> system that enabled me to code faster and more efficiently by voice
> than I ever had by hand. [...]
>
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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From amberdoctor at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 20:23:37 2013
From: amberdoctor at gmail.com (Amber Doctor)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:23:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+aEW6+d3jSh3Xyaecu2riNR-NUSZPtGgyA6Hs+ESOOmyw@mail.gmail.com>
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Consider a track ball instead of a mouse.  Since my father was an
electronics engineer and had problems, I grew up using one.  I was at a
position for a while where I only had access to a mouse and I noticed that
it was harder on my wrist.  For me logitech makes a great wireless one with
a thumb ball but you might stop by a best buy to see if a thumb scroll or a
center ball is better for you.  It'll take a little bit to get used to it
but it might be worth it.

Also see about turning up the sensitivity on your control tool (mouse or
track ball) so that small motions move the cursor further.



On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> Coding by voice would be *amazing.  *Thanks everybody, I tried the
> exercises from the first link I've set a timer to force me to take off time
> every hour on the hour.  Very, very much appreciated.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
>> searching
>> > through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>>
>> this came up in another mailing list recently, and here's a recap of
>> the discussion re books, hardware, software, and an upcoming talk at
>> pycon where you could possibly get advice on using voice for coding
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Its-Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Professionals/dp/0965510999/
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Conquering-Carpal-Syndrome-Repetitive-Injuries/dp/1572240393
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759
>>
>> http://www.workrave.org/
>> http://tech.inhelsinki.nl/antirsi/
>>
>> hardware
>> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm
>> http://www.datahand.com/
>> http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/product/156?crid=8
>>
>> dictation stuff
>>
>> http://www.nuance.com/for-individuals/by-product/dragon-for-mac/dragon-dictate/index.htm
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VoiceCoder/ community
>>
>>
>> Using Python to Code by Voice
>> @tavisrudd kk
>> https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/presentation/43/
>>
>> [...] Two years ago I developed a case of Emacs Pinkie (RSI) so severe
>> my hands went numb and I could no longer type or work. Desperate, I
>> tried voice recognition. At first programming with it was painfully
>> slow but, as I couldn?t type, I persevered. After several months of
>> vocab tweaking and duct-tape coding in Python and Emacs Lisp, I had a
>> system that enabled me to code faster and more efficiently by voice
>> than I ever had by hand. [...]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 20:55:18 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:55:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CAAL1ei+WdkB9pgdwA42DCdpVRLbN3s+OYkKLf5BPKCU=OjUJyA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAHCs_rbUX35D9ybjxZ3Y0fnafRTPssdWmKdGJx1v2BfZPFUvDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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turning up the sensitivity on my trackpad  is an awesome idea. Thanks for
that.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Amber Doctor <amberdoctor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Consider a track ball instead of a mouse.  Since my father was an
> electronics engineer and had problems, I grew up using one.  I was at a
> position for a while where I only had access to a mouse and I noticed that
> it was harder on my wrist.  For me logitech makes a great wireless one with
> a thumb ball but you might stop by a best buy to see if a thumb scroll or a
> center ball is better for you.  It'll take a little bit to get used to it
> but it might be worth it.
>
> Also see about turning up the sensitivity on your control tool (mouse or
> track ball) so that small motions move the cursor further.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Coding by voice would be *amazing.  *Thanks everybody, I tried the
>> exercises from the first link I've set a timer to force me to take off time
>> every hour on the hour.  Very, very much appreciated.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
>>> searching
>>> > through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>>>
>>> this came up in another mailing list recently, and here's a recap of
>>> the discussion re books, hardware, software, and an upcoming talk at
>>> pycon where you could possibly get advice on using voice for coding
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Its-Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Professionals/dp/0965510999/
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Conquering-Carpal-Syndrome-Repetitive-Injuries/dp/1572240393
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759
>>>
>>> http://www.workrave.org/
>>> http://tech.inhelsinki.nl/antirsi/
>>>
>>> hardware
>>> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm
>>> http://www.datahand.com/
>>> http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/product/156?crid=8
>>>
>>> dictation stuff
>>>
>>> http://www.nuance.com/for-individuals/by-product/dragon-for-mac/dragon-dictate/index.htm
>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VoiceCoder/ community
>>>
>>>
>>> Using Python to Code by Voice
>>> @tavisrudd kk
>>> https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/presentation/43/
>>>
>>> [...] Two years ago I developed a case of Emacs Pinkie (RSI) so severe
>>> my hands went numb and I could no longer type or work. Desperate, I
>>> tried voice recognition. At first programming with it was painfully
>>> slow but, as I couldn?t type, I persevered. After several months of
>>> vocab tweaking and duct-tape coding in Python and Emacs Lisp, I had a
>>> system that enabled me to code faster and more efficiently by voice
>>> than I ever had by hand. [...]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> sheila
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
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From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:56:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Amber Doctor <amberdoctor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Consider a track ball instead of a mouse.  Since my father was an
> electronics engineer and had problems, I grew up using one.  I was at a
> position for a while where I only had access to a mouse and I noticed that
> it was harder on my wrist.  For me logitech makes a great wireless one with
> a thumb ball but you might stop by a best buy to see if a thumb scroll or a
> center ball is better for you.  It'll take a little bit to get used to it
> but it might be worth it.
>
> Also see about turning up the sensitivity on your control tool (mouse or
> track ball) so that small motions move the cursor further.

I'll never use a mouse again - trackball only. I have a few older
wired versions of
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-trackball-m570?crid=8
that are perfect, especially if you use multiple monitors.

From lance at roytalman.com  Thu Feb 28 21:14:16 2013
From: lance at roytalman.com (Lance Hassan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:14:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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Well in all cases be careful and really, you should see a PT or doctor...RSI covers a lot of ground and the problems can come from anywhere from the neck down through your elbow to your wrist and hands. The exercise suggestions are excellent. Interestingly enough I am/was having problems and switched to a Trackball (Logitech) and it almost immediately got much worse...talked to a PT and she sort of gave me one of those "well duh" looks and said a good mouse was a better choice...also what helps are a mouse pad with a raised gel palm rest, likewise for the keyboard.

From: Chicago [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Amber Doctor
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:24 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI

Consider a track ball instead of a mouse.  Since my father was an electronics engineer and had problems, I grew up using one.  I was at a position for a while where I only had access to a mouse and I noticed that it was harder on my wrist.  For me logitech makes a great wireless one with a thumb ball but you might stop by a best buy to see if a thumb scroll or a center ball is better for you.  It'll take a little bit to get used to it but it might be worth it.

Also see about turning up the sensitivity on your control tool (mouse or track ball) so that small motions move the cursor further.


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com<mailto:danieltpeters at gmail.com>> wrote:
Coding by voice would be amazing.  Thanks everybody, I tried the exercises from the first link I've set a timer to force me to take off time every hour on the hour.  Very, very much appreciated.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com<mailto:shekay at pobox.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com<mailto:danieltpeters at gmail.com>> wrote:
> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried searching
> through my archive but can't seem to find it......
this came up in another mailing list recently, and here's a recap of
the discussion re books, hardware, software, and an upcoming talk at
pycon where you could possibly get advice on using voice for coding

http://www.amazon.com/Its-Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Professionals/dp/0965510999/
http://www.amazon.com/Conquering-Carpal-Syndrome-Repetitive-Injuries/dp/1572240393
http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759

http://www.workrave.org/
http://tech.inhelsinki.nl/antirsi/

hardware
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm
http://www.datahand.com/
http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/product/156?crid=8

dictation stuff
http://www.nuance.com/for-individuals/by-product/dragon-for-mac/dragon-dictate/index.htm
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VoiceCoder/ community


Using Python to Code by Voice
@tavisrudd kk
https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/presentation/43/

[...] Two years ago I developed a case of Emacs Pinkie (RSI) so severe
my hands went numb and I could no longer type or work. Desperate, I
tried voice recognition. At first programming with it was painfully
slow but, as I couldn't type, I persevered. After several months of
vocab tweaking and duct-tape coding in Python and Emacs Lisp, I had a
system that enabled me to code faster and more efficiently by voice
than I ever had by hand. [...]




--
sheila
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From jsudlow at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 21:24:47 2013
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:24:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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I agree with Lance, I have a raised gel pad on my mouse pad, same thing for
the keyboard and can attest they work well.


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Lance Hassan <lance at roytalman.com> wrote:

> Well in all cases be careful and really, you should see a PT or doctor?RSI
> covers a lot of ground and the problems can come from anywhere from the
> neck down through your elbow to your wrist and hands. The exercise
> suggestions are excellent. Interestingly enough I am/was having problems
> and switched to a Trackball (Logitech) and it almost immediately got much
> worse?talked to a PT and she sort of gave me one of those ?well duh? looks
> and said a good mouse was a better choice?also what helps are a mouse pad
> with a raised gel palm rest, likewise for the keyboard.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Chicago [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Amber Doctor
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:24 PM
> *To:* The Chicago Python Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Consider a track ball instead of a mouse.  Since my father was an
> electronics engineer and had problems, I grew up using one.  I was at a
> position for a while where I only had access to a mouse and I noticed that
> it was harder on my wrist.  For me logitech makes a great wireless one with
> a thumb ball but you might stop by a best buy to see if a thumb scroll or a
> center ball is better for you.  It'll take a little bit to get used to it
> but it might be worth it.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> Also see about turning up the sensitivity on your control tool (mouse or
> track ball) so that small motions move the cursor further.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Coding by voice would be *amazing.  *Thanks everybody, I tried the
> exercises from the first link I've set a timer to force me to take off time
> every hour on the hour.  Very, very much appreciated.****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:01 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:**
> **
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> > if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
> searching
> > through my archive but can't seem to find it......****
>
> this came up in another mailing list recently, and here's a recap of
> the discussion re books, hardware, software, and an upcoming talk at
> pycon where you could possibly get advice on using voice for coding
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Its-Carpal-Tunnel-Syndrome-Professionals/dp/0965510999/
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Conquering-Carpal-Syndrome-Repetitive-Injuries/dp/1572240393
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759
>
> http://www.workrave.org/
> http://tech.inhelsinki.nl/antirsi/
>
> hardware
> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm
> http://www.datahand.com/
> http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/product/156?crid=8
>
> dictation stuff
>
> http://www.nuance.com/for-individuals/by-product/dragon-for-mac/dragon-dictate/index.htm
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VoiceCoder/ community
>
>
> Using Python to Code by Voice
> @tavisrudd kk
> https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/presentation/43/
>
> [...] Two years ago I developed a case of Emacs Pinkie (RSI) so severe
> my hands went numb and I could no longer type or work. Desperate, I
> tried voice recognition. At first programming with it was painfully
> slow but, as I couldn?t type, I persevered. After several months of
> vocab tweaking and duct-tape coding in Python and Emacs Lisp, I had a
> system that enabled me to code faster and more efficiently by voice
> than I ever had by hand. [...]
>
>
>
>
> --
> sheila****
>
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From eviljoel at linux.com  Thu Feb 28 21:26:18 2013
From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:26:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
In-Reply-To: <CANttP85Kk5O5t92c2_xEbVo=DkxxqWOtW_MQ8Uhj-qjAhGojQA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Daniel,

My friend forwarded me this:
http://gmarceau.qc.ca/articles/your-wrists-hurt-you-must-be-a-programmer.html

Thanks,
eviljoel


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:38 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:
> Hello Daniel,
>
> I forwarded your message to the person who probably posted on that.
> I'm sure he'll contact you.  Let me know if he doesn't.
>
> Thanks,
> eviljoel
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
>> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried searching
>> through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>>
>> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
>> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
>> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.  Exercises,
>> equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like the "which
>> editor do you recommend" question in that it gets asked all the time, but
>> well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would like to keep
>> annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm, delightful
>> strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>

From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 21:30:55 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:30:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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I've used the Truly Ergonomic keyboard. It takes getting used. +1 for the
trackball.


-- 
Jason Wirth
    213.675.5294
    wirth.jason at gmail.com


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:

> Hey Daniel,
>
> My friend forwarded me this:
>
> http://gmarceau.qc.ca/articles/your-wrists-hurt-you-must-be-a-programmer.html
>
> Thanks,
> eviljoel
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:38 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:
> > Hello Daniel,
> >
> > I forwarded your message to the person who probably posted on that.
> > I'm sure he'll contact you.  Let me know if he doesn't.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > eviljoel
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
> searching
> >> through my archive but can't seem to find it......
> >>
> >> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
> >> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and
> I'm
> >> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
>  Exercises,
> >> equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like the
> "which
> >> editor do you recommend" question in that it gets asked all the time,
> but
> >> well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would like to
> keep
> >> annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm,
> delightful
> >> strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 21:47:29 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:47:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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	<CANttP85Kk5O5t92c2_xEbVo=DkxxqWOtW_MQ8Uhj-qjAhGojQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP86OPUJcQ+aDLZhz_0m0TjAFcfh5r44Cxycuf2nn5++o2g@mail.gmail.com>
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Um, that keyboard is now on the Buy Immediately list.

That link was solid Joel btw, thanks!

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've used the Truly Ergonomic keyboard. It takes getting used. +1 for the
> trackball.
>
>
> --
> Jason Wirth
>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Daniel,
>>
>> My friend forwarded me this:
>>
>> http://gmarceau.qc.ca/articles/your-wrists-hurt-you-must-be-a-programmer.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> eviljoel
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:38 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:
>> > Hello Daniel,
>> >
>> > I forwarded your message to the person who probably posted on that.
>> > I'm sure he'll contact you.  Let me know if he doesn't.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > eviljoel
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried
>> searching
>> >> through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>> >>
>> >> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
>> >> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and
>> I'm
>> >> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.
>>  Exercises,
>> >> equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like the
>> "which
>> >> editor do you recommend" question in that it gets asked all the time,
>> but
>> >> well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would like to
>> keep
>> >> annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm,
>> delightful
>> >> strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>
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From lance at roytalman.com  Thu Feb 28 21:57:02 2013
From: lance at roytalman.com (Lance Hassan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:57:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI
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	<CANttP86OPUJcQ+aDLZhz_0m0TjAFcfh5r44Cxycuf2nn5++o2g@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll second the keyboard...I used one of the early "split" keyboards and it did work. Has a big footprint but if you've got the space it is worth it.

From: Chicago [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Peters
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:47 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] trying to find old post on wrist therapy for RSI

Um, that keyboard is now on the Buy Immediately list.

That link was solid Joel btw, thanks!
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com<mailto:wirth.jason at gmail.com>> wrote:
I've used the Truly Ergonomic keyboard. It takes getting used. +1 for the trackball.


--
Jason Wirth
    213.675.5294<tel:213.675.5294>
    wirth.jason at gmail.com<mailto:wirth.jason at gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com<mailto:eviljoel at linux.com>> wrote:
Hey Daniel,

My friend forwarded me this:
http://gmarceau.qc.ca/articles/your-wrists-hurt-you-must-be-a-programmer.html

Thanks,
eviljoel


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:38 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com<mailto:eviljoel at linux.com>> wrote:
> Hello Daniel,
>
> I forwarded your message to the person who probably posted on that.
> I'm sure he'll contact you.  Let me know if he doesn't.
>
> Thanks,
> eviljoel
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com<mailto:danieltpeters at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> if anyone could dredge it up.....?  Or simply re-comment? I tried searching
>> through my archive but can't seem to find it......
>>
>> I think about 2 years ago, possibly even earlier, right after I started
>> following this list someone posted techniques on alleviating  RSI, and I'm
>> desperately in need of any real advice that I could get on that.  Exercises,
>> equipment, voodoo spells, I'm interested.  I know this is like the "which
>> editor do you recommend" question in that it gets asked all the time, but
>> well....sorry.  I also deeply enjoy playing guitar and would like to keep
>> annoying friends and roommates for years to come with my, erm, delightful
>> strumming.  Thanks for the time chipy!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org<mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
_______________________________________________
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