From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Apr  1 19:02:12 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:02:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Office Hours this Thursday
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rYA6A5iQksM2ExqaFFBXAQgBr5rbc24jA8ZGyOiWnO1HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

It's time again for Python Office Hours this Thursday. This week I am going
to pick an interesting algorithm and data structure to talk about for 5 to
15 minutes. If that turns out well, then we can make it a regular feature.

Lengthy description about office hours here:
http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours

meetup RSVP here (helpful, but not required):
http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/107963922/

For future office hours, I would like to see if people are interested in
walking through Cracking the Coding Interview, <
http://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Interview-Programming-Questions/dp/098478280X>.
We've had questions about coding interviews at meetings.

This book was recommended in a mailing list. They suggested working through
every other problem ahead of time, with real-time interview practice for
the problems people haven't looked at. We could perhaps do the same for
office hours.


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sheila
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 19:31:23 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:31:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Office Hours this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rYA6A5iQksM2ExqaFFBXAQgBr5rbc24jA8ZGyOiWnO1HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYA6A5iQksM2ExqaFFBXAQgBr5rbc24jA8ZGyOiWnO1HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36FF7DC1-8367-4EC0-9BEB-9513806A5948@gmail.com>

Sheila:

Can I order you guys a pizza or something? Seriously, let me know.

On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:02 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> It's time again for Python Office Hours this Thursday. This week I am going to pick an interesting algorithm and data structure to talk about for 5 to 15 minutes. If that turns out well, then we can make it a regular feature.
> 
> Lengthy description about office hours here:
> http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
> 
> meetup RSVP here (helpful, but not required):
> http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/107963922/
> 
> For future office hours, I would like to see if people are interested in walking through Cracking the Coding Interview, <http://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Interview-Programming-Questions/dp/098478280X>. We've had questions about coding interviews at meetings.
> 
> This book was recommended in a mailing list. They suggested working through every other problem ahead of time, with real-time interview practice for the problems people haven't looked at. We could perhaps do the same for office hours.
> 
> 
> -- 
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Apr  1 20:15:12 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:15:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Office Hours this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <36FF7DC1-8367-4EC0-9BEB-9513806A5948@gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYA6A5iQksM2ExqaFFBXAQgBr5rbc24jA8ZGyOiWnO1HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<36FF7DC1-8367-4EC0-9BEB-9513806A5948@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbPV42cLYXw1sS8Zpa7hMby18e-kTHmCUW1RFtdPRyzWQ@mail.gmail.com>

That would be kick-ass!

Give people a few more days to rsvp so that we have a little better of a
head count.



On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sheila:
>
> Can I order you guys a pizza or something? Seriously, let me know.
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:02 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> It's time again for Python Office Hours this Thursday. This week I am
> going to pick an interesting algorithm and data structure to talk about for
> 5 to 15 minutes. If that turns out well, then we can make it a regular
> feature.
>
> Lengthy description about office hours here:
> http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
>
> meetup RSVP here (helpful, but not required):
> http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/107963922/
>
> For future office hours, I would like to see if people are interested in
> walking through Cracking the Coding Interview, <
> http://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Interview-Programming-Questions/dp/098478280X>.
> We've had questions about coding interviews at meetings.
>
> This book was recommended in a mailing list. They suggested working
> through every other problem ahead of time, with real-time interview
> practice for the problems people haven't looked at. We could perhaps do the
> same for office hours.
>
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 20:26:48 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:26:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Office Hours this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbPV42cLYXw1sS8Zpa7hMby18e-kTHmCUW1RFtdPRyzWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYA6A5iQksM2ExqaFFBXAQgBr5rbc24jA8ZGyOiWnO1HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<36FF7DC1-8367-4EC0-9BEB-9513806A5948@gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rbPV42cLYXw1sS8Zpa7hMby18e-kTHmCUW1RFtdPRyzWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ih=BWMv9VqqL9zkEh4hBt4MEMkLZn+7UpkaELyZE6u0Aw@mail.gmail.com>

T'was very nice of Brian to offer.  This is a busy week for meetups.  I
will need the first thee days of next week to recuperate before
the Awesomest ChiPy meeting ever.




On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> That would be kick-ass!
>
> Give people a few more days to rsvp so that we have a little better of a
> head count.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sheila:
>>
>> Can I order you guys a pizza or something? Seriously, let me know.
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:02 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It's time again for Python Office Hours this Thursday. This week I am
>> going to pick an interesting algorithm and data structure to talk about for
>> 5 to 15 minutes. If that turns out well, then we can make it a regular
>> feature.
>>
>> Lengthy description about office hours here:
>> http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
>>
>> meetup RSVP here (helpful, but not required):
>> http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/107963922/
>>
>> For future office hours, I would like to see if people are interested in
>> walking through Cracking the Coding Interview, <
>> http://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Interview-Programming-Questions/dp/098478280X>.
>> We've had questions about coding interviews at meetings.
>>
>> This book was recommended in a mailing list. They suggested working
>> through every other problem ahead of time, with real-time interview
>> practice for the problems people haven't looked at. We could perhaps do the
>> same for office hours.
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From wilson.tamarrie at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 21:33:35 2013
From: wilson.tamarrie at gmail.com (T Wilson)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:33:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Office Hours this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=ih=BWMv9VqqL9zkEh4hBt4MEMkLZn+7UpkaELyZE6u0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYA6A5iQksM2ExqaFFBXAQgBr5rbc24jA8ZGyOiWnO1HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<36FF7DC1-8367-4EC0-9BEB-9513806A5948@gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rbPV42cLYXw1sS8Zpa7hMby18e-kTHmCUW1RFtdPRyzWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ih=BWMv9VqqL9zkEh4hBt4MEMkLZn+7UpkaELyZE6u0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACoHCNRPOTE3cAz_8H+Y8Be4+upxx_psUywWo17eU-9E0+vySg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm still a newbie to Python and the sites you guys gave has helped a lot.
I will be out to support for the meeting if it's after 6...


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com> wrote:

> T'was very nice of Brian to offer.  This is a busy week for meetups.  I
> will need the first thee days of next week to recuperate before
> the Awesomest ChiPy meeting ever.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> That would be kick-ass!
>>
>> Give people a few more days to rsvp so that we have a little better of a
>> head count.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sheila:
>>>
>>> Can I order you guys a pizza or something? Seriously, let me know.
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:02 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> It's time again for Python Office Hours this Thursday. This week I am
>>> going to pick an interesting algorithm and data structure to talk about for
>>> 5 to 15 minutes. If that turns out well, then we can make it a regular
>>> feature.
>>>
>>> Lengthy description about office hours here:
>>> http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
>>>
>>> meetup RSVP here (helpful, but not required):
>>> http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/107963922/
>>>
>>> For future office hours, I would like to see if people are interested in
>>> walking through Cracking the Coding Interview, <
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Interview-Programming-Questions/dp/098478280X>.
>>> We've had questions about coding interviews at meetings.
>>>
>>> This book was recommended in a mailing list. They suggested working
>>> through every other problem ahead of time, with real-time interview
>>> practice for the problems people haven't looked at. We could perhaps do the
>>> same for office hours.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> sheila
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 22:27:02 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Office Hours this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CACoHCNRPOTE3cAz_8H+Y8Be4+upxx_psUywWo17eU-9E0+vySg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYA6A5iQksM2ExqaFFBXAQgBr5rbc24jA8ZGyOiWnO1HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<36FF7DC1-8367-4EC0-9BEB-9513806A5948@gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rbPV42cLYXw1sS8Zpa7hMby18e-kTHmCUW1RFtdPRyzWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ih=BWMv9VqqL9zkEh4hBt4MEMkLZn+7UpkaELyZE6u0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACoHCNRPOTE3cAz_8H+Y8Be4+upxx_psUywWo17eU-9E0+vySg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ihcXeKH6bEwYk6CuUY-d+V=pDfg9mZRrfPBQEdJuJJSdQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/107963922/

is the link to see further information.



On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM, T Wilson <wilson.tamarrie at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still a newbie to Python and the sites you guys gave has helped a
> lot.  I will be out to support for the meeting if it's after 6...
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> T'was very nice of Brian to offer.  This is a busy week for meetups.  I
>> will need the first thee days of next week to recuperate before
>> the Awesomest ChiPy meeting ever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That would be kick-ass!
>>>
>>> Give people a few more days to rsvp so that we have a little better of a
>>> head count.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sheila:
>>>>
>>>> Can I order you guys a pizza or something? Seriously, let me know.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:02 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> It's time again for Python Office Hours this Thursday. This week I am
>>>> going to pick an interesting algorithm and data structure to talk about for
>>>> 5 to 15 minutes. If that turns out well, then we can make it a regular
>>>> feature.
>>>>
>>>> Lengthy description about office hours here:
>>>> http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
>>>>
>>>> meetup RSVP here (helpful, but not required):
>>>> http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/107963922/
>>>>
>>>> For future office hours, I would like to see if people are interested
>>>> in walking through Cracking the Coding Interview, <
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Interview-Programming-Questions/dp/098478280X>.
>>>> We've had questions about coding interviews at meetings.
>>>>
>>>> This book was recommended in a mailing list. They suggested working
>>>> through every other problem ahead of time, with real-time interview
>>>> practice for the problems people haven't looked at. We could perhaps do the
>>>> same for office hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> sheila
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> sheila
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From ssexton at nectarlab.com  Mon Apr  1 23:32:54 2013
From: ssexton at nectarlab.com (Scott Sexton)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:32:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting at threadless
In-Reply-To: <CAJNSn0R7N8HV8J8b1L7EtJrD2a_JPReAWUURAC1qntyk7e3DMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSSg9re6=hUvb9Gda2SVqfApvbyn+2ZyQVOgTDC8F374b6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJNSn0R7N8HV8J8b1L7EtJrD2a_JPReAWUURAC1qntyk7e3DMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, we'll have a projector, PA system, tables/chairs, food, beer
including Finch's Threadless IPA, and we'll pass around the guest wi-fi
password via whispered rumor. There might be a podium too, but I can't find
it. It's probably been taken to a photo shoot.


On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Scott Sexton <ssexton at nectarlab.com> wrote:

> That's the correct address. I'll check on if we'll have a projector
> available.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:
>
>> Can someone confirm this is where the meeting is?
>> 1260 W. Madison St.
>> Chicago, IL 60607
>>
>> I added that to the wiki, so don't use that to confirm it is right.
>>
>> I also made a page of stuff needed to host a meeting:
>> http://www.chipy.org/pages/venue/requirements/
>>
>> It includes all the stuff I want for recording.   Can the threadless
>> host let me know what all they can cover so I don't have to bring
>> things I don't need to.
>>
>> Last time there wasn't a projector, just a flat screen TV.  Does
>> anyone remember how that went?  I do have a projector, but the only
>> screen I have is pretty small.  Like not much bitter than the TV.
>>
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Apr  1 23:45:32 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:45:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] meeting at threadless
In-Reply-To: <CAJNSn0Q4-jmDtyxcJK_4bNJgu3SfX2LuJUvZuXt6+uwctZqtLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSSg9re6=hUvb9Gda2SVqfApvbyn+2ZyQVOgTDC8F374b6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJNSn0R7N8HV8J8b1L7EtJrD2a_JPReAWUURAC1qntyk7e3DMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJNSn0Q4-jmDtyxcJK_4bNJgu3SfX2LuJUvZuXt6+uwctZqtLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjCFqQY0JWjUAA3qzkahNq1mK=c1MraCi9uv6R0PVqDmw@mail.gmail.com>

Actually don't worry about the extra stuff for recording.  I will be
in Portland OR.

Up to you and b-ray to figure out what all you need for a meeting.
table or upside down garbage can will work.
Carl K


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Scott Sexton <ssexton at nectarlab.com> wrote:
> Yeah, we'll have a projector, PA system, tables/chairs, food, beer including
> Finch's Threadless IPA, and we'll pass around the guest wi-fi password via
> whispered rumor. There might be a podium too, but I can't find it. It's
> probably been taken to a photo shoot.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Scott Sexton <ssexton at nectarlab.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's the correct address. I'll check on if we'll have a projector
>> available.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone confirm this is where the meeting is?
>>> 1260 W. Madison St.
>>> Chicago, IL 60607
>>>
>>> I added that to the wiki, so don't use that to confirm it is right.
>>>
>>> I also made a page of stuff needed to host a meeting:
>>> http://www.chipy.org/pages/venue/requirements/
>>>
>>> It includes all the stuff I want for recording.   Can the threadless
>>> host let me know what all they can cover so I don't have to bring
>>> things I don't need to.
>>>
>>> Last time there wasn't a projector, just a flat screen TV.  Does
>>> anyone remember how that went?  I do have a projector, but the only
>>> screen I have is pretty small.  Like not much bitter than the TV.
>>>
>>> Carl K
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From aphor at me.com  Tue Apr  2 03:56:47 2013
From: aphor at me.com (Jeremy McMillan)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:56:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Recap -- Good Friday Hacking
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1364641202.27843.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.19.1364641202.27843.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <3BBF90DF-CD07-43E0-8704-4C50C4F8E8B3@me.com>

I missed this one. I need a hackathon. Maybe there are others? Anyone want to do this again soon?

On Mar 30, 2013, at 6:00 AM, chicago-request at python.org wrote:

> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:08:52 -0500
> From: Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: [Chicago] Recap -- Good Friday Hacking
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAEwvNMjr=8OALyNs0gSCYYmbOXoJYYyfv8U0uzyTn_GeArEhbQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Best Good Friday Hacking Ever!
> 
> Thanks to everyone that came out! I had a great time!

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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 05:24:46 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:24:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
Message-ID: <CAKwoybi8NTx56UCLH=iOTQ5JYAxkBs70tVWwJGdzdfBW9GSwZQ@mail.gmail.com>

> a = {}
> a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
{'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}

What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
 Someone splain.
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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 05:25:55 2013
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:25:55 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
In-Reply-To: <CAKwoybi8NTx56UCLH=iOTQ5JYAxkBs70tVWwJGdzdfBW9GSwZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKwoybi8NTx56UCLH=iOTQ5JYAxkBs70tVWwJGdzdfBW9GSwZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRnB2U9YcUPxt66xB_=rZ61dfz_c0Gi8v0Gr1itgk5JRdjR_g@mail.gmail.com>

The assignments are going left to right.

Alex


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> > a = {}
> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>
> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>  Someone splain.
>
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 05:41:38 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:41:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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Okay, then it should be a key error:

> a['a'] = a[a['a']]
KeyError: 'a'


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:

> The assignments are going left to right.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> > a = {}
>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>>
>> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>>  Someone splain.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 05:46:26 2013
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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Sorry, I should have been more precise, first the far right hand side is
evaluated, so you get the string 'b' (of course). Then the assignments are
evaluated left to right.

So first:

a['a'] = 'b'

Then

a[a['a']] = 'b'

Now a['a'] == 'b'

so a['b'] = 'b'.

Alex


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> Okay, then it should be a key error:
>
> > a['a'] = a[a['a']]
> KeyError: 'a'
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The assignments are going left to right.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> > a = {}
>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>>>
>>> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>>>  Someone splain.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
>> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From kyle at pbx.org  Tue Apr  2 05:46:42 2013
From: kyle at pbx.org (Kyle Cronan)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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Nah it's a['a'] = 'b' followed by a[a['a']] = 'b'

-Kyle


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> Okay, then it should be a key error:
>
> > a['a'] = a[a['a']]
> KeyError: 'a'
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The assignments are going left to right.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> > a = {}
>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>>>
>>> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>>>  Someone splain.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
>> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 05:50:23 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:50:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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So it evaluates the right, then left to right.  That's strange.


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I should have been more precise, first the far right hand side is
> evaluated, so you get the string 'b' (of course). Then the assignments are
> evaluated left to right.
>
> So first:
>
> a['a'] = 'b'
>
> Then
>
> a[a['a']] = 'b'
>
> Now a['a'] == 'b'
>
> so a['b'] = 'b'.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Okay, then it should be a key error:
>>
>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']]
>> KeyError: 'a'
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The assignments are going left to right.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> > a = {}
>>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>>> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>>>>
>>>> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>>>>  Someone splain.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
>>> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
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>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 05:51:52 2013
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:51:52 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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There was a thread about fixing this a while back on python-dev, I don't
think it went anywhere though (even though probably everyone agreed it was
a good idea).

Alex


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> So it evaluates the right, then left to right.  That's strange.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I should have been more precise, first the far right hand side is
>> evaluated, so you get the string 'b' (of course). Then the assignments are
>> evaluated left to right.
>>
>> So first:
>>
>> a['a'] = 'b'
>>
>> Then
>>
>> a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>
>> Now a['a'] == 'b'
>>
>> so a['b'] = 'b'.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, then it should be a key error:
>>>
>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']]
>>> KeyError: 'a'
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The assignments are going left to right.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > a = {}
>>>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>>>> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>>>>>
>>>>> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>>>>>  Someone splain.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
>>>> right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
>> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>
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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Apr  2 05:53:06 2013
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:53:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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Python 2.7.3 (default, Aug  1 2012, 05:14:39)
[GCC 4.6.3] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> def foo():
...    a = {}
...    a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
...    return a
...
>>> import dis
>>> dis.dis(foo)
  2           0 BUILD_MAP                0
              3 STORE_FAST               0 (a)

  3           6 LOAD_CONST               1 ('b')
              9 DUP_TOP
             10 LOAD_FAST                0 (a)
             13 LOAD_CONST               2 ('a')
             16 STORE_SUBSCR
             17 LOAD_FAST                0 (a)
             20 LOAD_FAST                0 (a)
             23 LOAD_CONST               2 ('a')
             26 BINARY_SUBSCR
             27 STORE_SUBSCR

  4          28 LOAD_FAST                0 (a)
             31 RETURN_VALUE

-Jeff
slightly modified to make easier to discompile


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> So it evaluates the right, then left to right.  That's strange.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I should have been more precise, first the far right hand side is
>> evaluated, so you get the string 'b' (of course). Then the assignments are
>> evaluated left to right.
>>
>> So first:
>>
>> a['a'] = 'b'
>>
>> Then
>>
>> a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>
>> Now a['a'] == 'b'
>>
>> so a['b'] = 'b'.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, then it should be a key error:
>>>
>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']]
>>> KeyError: 'a'
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The assignments are going left to right.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > a = {}
>>>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>>>> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>>>>>
>>>>> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>>>>>  Someone splain.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
>>>> right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
>> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From ssexton at nectarlab.com  Tue Apr  2 05:53:33 2013
From: ssexton at nectarlab.com (Scott Sexton)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:53:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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All these are equivalent: a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
So that gives you two equalities:
    1: a['a'] = 'b'
    2: a[a['a']] = 'b'.
It's clear that for a['a'] = 'b', you'd expect {'a':'b'}.
Now in a[a['a']] = 'b', you can substitute the inside a['a'] (equality 1
above) for its value 'b'.
This gives you a['b'] = b
So that's why you get {'a':'b', 'b':'b'}




On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> > a = {}
> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>
> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>  Someone splain.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 05:54:30 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:54:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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That is fun.

>>> a = {}
>>> a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>> a
{'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}

does indeed work the same as:

>>> a = {}
>>> a['a'] = 'b'
>>> a
{'a': 'b'}
>>> a['a']
'b'
>>> a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>> a
{'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> > a = {}
> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>
> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>  Someone splain.
>
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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Apr  2 05:57:17 2013
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:57:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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not discompile (ick) meant disassemble.


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> Python 2.7.3 (default, Aug  1 2012, 05:14:39)
> [GCC 4.6.3] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> def foo():
> ...    a = {}
> ...    a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
> ...    return a
> ...
> >>> import dis
> >>> dis.dis(foo)
>   2           0 BUILD_MAP                0
>               3 STORE_FAST               0 (a)
>
>   3           6 LOAD_CONST               1 ('b')
>               9 DUP_TOP
>              10 LOAD_FAST                0 (a)
>              13 LOAD_CONST               2 ('a')
>              16 STORE_SUBSCR
>              17 LOAD_FAST                0 (a)
>              20 LOAD_FAST                0 (a)
>              23 LOAD_CONST               2 ('a')
>              26 BINARY_SUBSCR
>              27 STORE_SUBSCR
>
>   4          28 LOAD_FAST                0 (a)
>              31 RETURN_VALUE
>
> -Jeff
> slightly modified to make easier to discompile
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> So it evaluates the right, then left to right.  That's strange.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I should have been more precise, first the far right hand side is
>>> evaluated, so you get the string 'b' (of course). Then the assignments are
>>> evaluated left to right.
>>>
>>> So first:
>>>
>>> a['a'] = 'b'
>>>
>>> Then
>>>
>>> a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>>
>>> Now a['a'] == 'b'
>>>
>>> so a['b'] = 'b'.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, then it should be a key error:
>>>>
>>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']]
>>>> KeyError: 'a'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The assignments are going left to right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > a = {}
>>>>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>>>>> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>>>>>>  Someone splain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
>>>>> right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
>>> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
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>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
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>>
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> 402.218.1473
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>


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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 05:57:51 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:57:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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Makes sense.  I doubt anyone is passionate enough to champion such a change.

Merci.


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was a thread about fixing this a while back on python-dev, I don't
> think it went anywhere though (even though probably everyone agreed it was
> a good idea).
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> So it evaluates the right, then left to right.  That's strange.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I should have been more precise, first the far right hand side is
>>> evaluated, so you get the string 'b' (of course). Then the assignments are
>>> evaluated left to right.
>>>
>>> So first:
>>>
>>> a['a'] = 'b'
>>>
>>> Then
>>>
>>> a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>>
>>> Now a['a'] == 'b'
>>>
>>> so a['b'] = 'b'.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, then it should be a key error:
>>>>
>>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']]
>>>> KeyError: 'a'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The assignments are going left to right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > a = {}
>>>>>> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
>>>>>> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>>>>>>  Someone splain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
>>>>> right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
>>> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>
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From joe at germuska.com  Tue Apr  2 14:45:09 2013
From: joe at germuska.com (Joe Germuska)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 07:45:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Recap -- Good Friday Hacking
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	<3BBF90DF-CD07-43E0-8704-4C50C4F8E8B3@me.com>
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The Northwestern University Knight Lab and Chicago Tribune News Application team are hosting events the next two Saturdays themed around the recent release of an API to the Tribune Crime site. They are not particularly Python-centric, but of course folks are welcome to code in whatever language they like. Also, for the next one, we are experimenting with a slightly more guided structure with a design exercise in the morning in hopes of helping some participants zero in better on projects.

All are welcome. This Saturday in Evanston (at Knight Lab central) and next Saturday in Pilsen at Cibola.

Cheers
	Joe


On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Jeremy McMillan <aphor at me.com> wrote:

> I missed this one. I need a hackathon. Maybe there are others? Anyone want to do this again soon?

-- 
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 16:49:22 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:49:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Recap -- Good Friday Hacking
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Thank you for posting this Joe.  I had a great time at the event at the
jounalism school downtown and followed up to create this last Saturday at
another hack.

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=14KMAKWCxvdbsMKTeYjjp7dT6R9Gy8x1660Oj46E#map:id=6

I look forward to playing with some of this data in Python and ipython as
well as merging some of it with 311 and perhaps even twitter feeds on 311
type complaints.


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Joe Germuska <joe at germuska.com> wrote:

> The Northwestern University Knight Lab and Chicago Tribune News
> Application team are hosting events the next two Saturdays<http://www.meetup.com/Knight-Lab-Events/> themed
> around the recent release of an API to the Tribune Crime site<http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2013/03/22/announcing-the-chicago-crime-api/>.
> They are not particularly Python-centric, but of course folks are welcome
> to code in whatever language they like. Also, for the next one, we are
> experimenting with a slightly more guided structure with a design exercise
> in the morning in hopes of helping some participants zero in better on
> projects.
>
> All are welcome. This Saturday in Evanston (at Knight Lab central) and
> next Saturday in Pilsen at Cibola.
>
> Cheers
> Joe
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Jeremy McMillan <aphor at me.com> wrote:
>
> I missed this one. I need a hackathon. Maybe there are others? Anyone want
> to do this again soon?
>
>
> --
> Joe Germuska
> Joe at Germuska.com * http://blog.germuska.com *
> http://twitter.com/JoeGermuska
>
> "I felt so good I told the leader how to follow."
> -- Sly Stone
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 23:23:39 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:23:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Office Hours this Thursday
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It starts at 7. I'll ask to see if someone can be there exactly at 7 to
host, I may be a little late due to my going away party.


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM, T Wilson <wilson.tamarrie at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still a newbie to Python and the sites you guys gave has helped a
> lot.  I will be out to support for the meeting if it's after 6...
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> T'was very nice of Brian to offer.  This is a busy week for meetups.  I
>> will need the first thee days of next week to recuperate before
>> the Awesomest ChiPy meeting ever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That would be kick-ass!
>>>
>>> Give people a few more days to rsvp so that we have a little better of a
>>> head count.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sheila:
>>>>
>>>> Can I order you guys a pizza or something? Seriously, let me know.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:02 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> It's time again for Python Office Hours this Thursday. This week I am
>>>> going to pick an interesting algorithm and data structure to talk about for
>>>> 5 to 15 minutes. If that turns out well, then we can make it a regular
>>>> feature.
>>>>
>>>> Lengthy description about office hours here:
>>>> http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_Hours
>>>>
>>>> meetup RSVP here (helpful, but not required):
>>>> http://www.meetup.com/ChiPyFans/events/107963922/
>>>>
>>>> For future office hours, I would like to see if people are interested
>>>> in walking through Cracking the Coding Interview, <
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Interview-Programming-Questions/dp/098478280X>.
>>>> We've had questions about coding interviews at meetings.
>>>>
>>>> This book was recommended in a mailing list. They suggested working
>>>> through every other problem ahead of time, with real-time interview
>>>> practice for the problems people haven't looked at. We could perhaps do the
>>>> same for office hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> sheila
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> sheila
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From maney at two14.net  Wed Apr  3 03:55:47 2013
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
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On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 10:24:46PM -0500, Brantley Harris wrote:
> > a = {}
> > a['a'] = a[a['a']] = 'b'
> {'a': 'b', 'b': 'b'}
> 
> What the what?  I would think that should KeyError, but it runs fine.
>  Someone splain.

Because assignment is... well, first, it's not value assignment, it's
binding, which is I guess why in Python assignment is defined only as
its own special type of statement (language reference, 6.2) rather than
as an operator (part of expression syntax).  As for why it works left
to right, that's just because.

/me wonders what pylint has to say about multi-target assignment...

-- 
The theory of multiple intelligences fundamentally conflates
intelligence and motivation.  -- Christopher J. Ferguson


From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Apr  3 18:18:17 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:18:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Last day to submit abstracts for SciPy!
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rY35w5Gw2xiFC3y1f_iNkn6mxeQrOM9JK2TGqRAG_UX1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Today is the last day to submit abstracts for SciPy. You can submit
proposals for talks, posters, and conference proceedings. This year has two
additional tracks: Reproducible Science, Machine Learning.

http://conference.scipy.org/scipy2013/

In addition to talks and such, you can submit tutorial proposals until
April 8.

I want to have too many talks to review! Help make it happen.


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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 15:03:20 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:03:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Awesomeness at Threadless is only a week away
Message-ID: <CANKg38thd68YP+D3FCzJKBJ+4R7cgwvW0h9qcjo0TQMdMTnZsg@mail.gmail.com>

Threadless Headquarters is the location.

RSVP now open -> http://www.chipy.org

So far, topics include:

* *Concurrency in Python and other Languages *By: Daniel Griffin
* *SXSW Interactive 2013 *By: Adam Forsyth

Anybody else got something they want to talk about?

-- 
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From steder at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 18:08:06 2013
From: steder at gmail.com (Mike Steder)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:08:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Awesomeness at Threadless is only a week away
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38thd68YP+D3FCzJKBJ+4R7cgwvW0h9qcjo0TQMdMTnZsg@mail.gmail.com>
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I would be be happy to talk about "Python at Threadless", specifically some
of the tools and services we've built in the last year using twisted,
celery, and django including some work we're looking to release as open
source.




On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Threadless Headquarters is the location.
>
> RSVP now open -> http://www.chipy.org
>
> So far, topics include:
>
> * *Concurrency in Python and other Languages *By: Daniel Griffin
> * *SXSW Interactive 2013 *By: Adam Forsyth
>
> Anybody else got something they want to talk about?
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
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From special.kevin at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 18:26:36 2013
From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:26:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Awesomeness at Threadless is only a week away
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+1


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Mike Steder <steder at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would be be happy to talk about "Python at Threadless", specifically
> some of the tools and services we've built in the last year using twisted,
> celery, and django including some work we're looking to release as open
> source.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Threadless Headquarters is the location.
>>
>> RSVP now open -> http://www.chipy.org
>>
>> So far, topics include:
>>
>> * *Concurrency in Python and other Languages *By: Daniel Griffin
>> * *SXSW Interactive 2013 *By: Adam Forsyth
>>
>> Anybody else got something they want to talk about?
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 18:41:50 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:41:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Awesomeness at Threadless is only a week away
In-Reply-To: <CAOLFpgtEwA0=yQitchHNcLc7cf+73oDiqoEJre0h=C4e0tS55g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38thd68YP+D3FCzJKBJ+4R7cgwvW0h9qcjo0TQMdMTnZsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALnGnW=M=XfVus0HXW5LFn1Vo14dqUg1zc_tk6gcvN-gk3VjyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOLFpgtEwA0=yQitchHNcLc7cf+73oDiqoEJre0h=C4e0tS55g@mail.gmail.com>
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+1

Mike Steder, can you enter your talk details here:

  http://www.chipy.org/meetings/topics/propose



On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Kevin Harriss <special.kevin at gmail.com>wrote:

> +1
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Mike Steder <steder at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would be be happy to talk about "Python at Threadless", specifically
>> some of the tools and services we've built in the last year using twisted,
>> celery, and django including some work we're looking to release as open
>> source.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Threadless Headquarters is the location.
>>>
>>> RSVP now open -> http://www.chipy.org
>>>
>>> So far, topics include:
>>>
>>> * *Concurrency in Python and other Languages *By: Daniel Griffin
>>> * *SXSW Interactive 2013 *By: Adam Forsyth
>>>
>>> Anybody else got something they want to talk about?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Ray
>>> @brianray
>>> (773) 669-7717
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
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>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 08:59:37 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 01:59:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I don't get why this works
In-Reply-To: <20130403015547.GB21631@furrr.two14.net>
References: <CAKwoybi8NTx56UCLH=iOTQ5JYAxkBs70tVWwJGdzdfBW9GSwZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130403015547.GB21631@furrr.two14.net>
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If you get a chance watch the "Python Epiphanies" talk given at PyCon 2012,
it's got a lot of great stuff about how python works, like namespaces and
how "assignment" in python isn't like assignment in other languages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi9NpxAvYSs
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 16:04:59 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy April Meeting at Threadless this Thursday 11th
Message-ID: <CANKg38shdqLe9dtGJnFoDAUnduM_duSW897mJM_cU8bt0dwNeQ@mail.gmail.com>

*[image: Inline image 1]
*

*
*

*When:* April 11, 2013, 7 p.m.

*Where:* Threadless

1260 W. Madison St. Chicago, IL 60607
Join us for our best meeting ever! Threadless is providing food and
refreshments, Finch's Threadless IPA.

All are welcome, invite a friend.

RSVP here http://www.chipy.org


This Month's Topics

   - *Threadless Loves Python*
   By: Mike Steder
   In the last year the Threadless engineering department has almost
   completely changed from PHP and MySQL to Python and MongoDB. I would like
   to do a brief overview of how we use Python today which will cover our
   replatformed website, our API, and our internal message queuing system.
   - *SXSW Interactive 2013*
   (0:15:00 Minutes)
   By: Adam Forsyth
   - Themes - Keynotes - Chicago Tech @ SXSW - Other Highlights - Q&A
   - *Concurrency in Python and other Languages*
   (0:25:00 Minutes)
   By: Daniel Griffin
   - 1 minute pitch about OpDemand and what we do. - Processing HTTP
   requests with Twisted. - Dealing with blocking code in Twisted
   (couchdb-python and pika). - Doing long running work with Celery from
   Twisted. - Communicating between web workers with ZMQ. - Writing code that
   can be concurrent.

http://www.chipy.org

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From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Tue Apr  9 16:05:15 2013
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:05:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Latest hack
Message-ID: <CAE6_B5SR4T2ZKnAb4qoNr6=aY9M7WF81APD-Ey46i6gBJpXE0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have posted "ABSOLUTE Precision Arithmetic and Arbitrary Precision
OUTPUT" at http://JonathansCorner.com/arithmetic/ .

"Arbitrary precision arithmetic" usually means "something like a float, but
you can choose the number of decimal places." The same corruption issues
appear as with floats, but you can choose a longer fuse, in many cases long
enough to get your work done.

This is a slightly different approach, and any comments would be welcome.

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From orblivion at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 17:25:22 2013
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:25:22 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Latest hack
In-Reply-To: <CAE6_B5SR4T2ZKnAb4qoNr6=aY9M7WF81APD-Ey46i6gBJpXE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6_B5SR4T2ZKnAb4qoNr6=aY9M7WF81APD-Ey46i6gBJpXE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAWRcS_TeZ-teYbsz8AOdJPY0gGnTyuBbUsH2oT0JkiKhvX1Rg@mail.gmail.com>

I have heard of a couple projects by people trying to represent Real
numbers in Coq (which is a language that makes Haskell look like Python).
It's way beyond me, other than that it seems to have a similar goal, at
least on its surface. So perhaps look that if you're interested in prior
approaches.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Hayward <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> wrote:

> I have posted "ABSOLUTE Precision Arithmetic and Arbitrary Precision
> OUTPUT" at http://JonathansCorner.com/arithmetic/ .
>
> "Arbitrary precision arithmetic" usually means "something like a float,
> but you can choose the number of decimal places." The same corruption
> issues appear as with floats, but you can choose a longer fuse, in many
> cases long enough to get your work done.
>
> This is a slightly different approach, and any comments would be welcome.
>
> --
> [image: Christos Jonathan Hayward] <http://jonathanscorner.com/>
> Christos Jonathan Hayward, an Orthodox Christian author.
>
> *Amazon <http://amazon.com/author/cjshayward>* ? Author Bio<http://jonathanscorner.com/author/>
>  ? *Email <christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com>* ? Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/christos.jonathan.hayward>
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> * ? What's New? <http://jonathanscorner.com/>
> If you read just *one* of my books, you'll want *The Best of Jonathan's
> Corner <http://www.amazon.com/dp/1478219912>*.
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From orblivion at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 17:25:51 2013
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:25:51 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Latest hack
In-Reply-To: <CAAWRcS_TeZ-teYbsz8AOdJPY0gGnTyuBbUsH2oT0JkiKhvX1Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6_B5SR4T2ZKnAb4qoNr6=aY9M7WF81APD-Ey46i6gBJpXE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAWRcS_TeZ-teYbsz8AOdJPY0gGnTyuBbUsH2oT0JkiKhvX1Rg@mail.gmail.com>
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This is a really cool idea, though.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have heard of a couple projects by people trying to represent Real
> numbers in Coq (which is a language that makes Haskell look like Python).
> It's way beyond me, other than that it seems to have a similar goal, at
> least on its surface. So perhaps look that if you're interested in prior
> approaches.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Hayward <
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I have posted "ABSOLUTE Precision Arithmetic and Arbitrary Precision
>> OUTPUT" at http://JonathansCorner.com/arithmetic/ .
>>
>> "Arbitrary precision arithmetic" usually means "something like a float,
>> but you can choose the number of decimal places." The same corruption
>> issues appear as with floats, but you can choose a longer fuse, in many
>> cases long enough to get your work done.
>>
>> This is a slightly different approach, and any comments would be welcome.
>>
>> --
>> [image: Christos Jonathan Hayward] <http://jonathanscorner.com/>
>> Christos Jonathan Hayward, an Orthodox Christian author.
>>
>> *Amazon <http://amazon.com/author/cjshayward>* ? Author Bio<http://jonathanscorner.com/author/>
>>  ? *Email <christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com>* ? Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/christos.jonathan.hayward>
>>  ? Fan Page <http://fan.cjshayward.com/> ? Google Plus<http://jonathanscorner.com/plus>
>>  ? LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ? *Professional<http://jonathanhayward.com/>
>> * ?  Twitter <http://twitter.com/JonathansCorner> ? *Web<http://jonathanscorner.com/>
>> * ? What's New? <http://jonathanscorner.com/>
>> If you read just *one* of my books, you'll want *The Best of Jonathan's
>> Corner <http://www.amazon.com/dp/1478219912>*.
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 18:02:39 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:02:39 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Latest hack
In-Reply-To: <CAE6_B5SR4T2ZKnAb4qoNr6=aY9M7WF81APD-Ey46i6gBJpXE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6_B5SR4T2ZKnAb4qoNr6=aY9M7WF81APD-Ey46i6gBJpXE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3SHdo4M2srG=O7mzWj_rt-s+r5YwqujSrUfcTj=HGO-Pw@mail.gmail.com>

This is slightly branching to a connected topic, still philosophy of real
numbers:

*def pi_digits():
**    k, a, b, a1, b1 = 2, 4, 1, 12, 4
    while True:**        p, q, k = k*k, 2*k+1, k+1**        a, b, a1,
b1 = a1, b1, p*a+q*a1, p*b+q*b1**        d, d1 = a/b, a1/b1**
while d == d1:**            yield int(d)**            a, a1 =
10*(a%b), 10*(a1%b1)**            d, d1 = a/b, a1/b1

>>> from anyproject import pi_digits
>>> pigen = pi_digits()
>>> "".join([str(next(pigen)) for x in range(100)])
'3141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820
974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067'

*

*Validation check:
http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/digits/100

*

Pretty cool huh?

We've been kicking it around on edu-sig [1] but none there are the author
and none have explained how it works.

Michel Paul, a high school mathematics teacher who "gets it" (one of the
"abducted" who uses Python and related tools in the math curriculum), said
it came from one of his students, but I don't know if the student claimed
authorship either.

Does anyone here in Chicago area recognize the above algorithm? [2]

"Real Numbers" is a nice unifying heuristic, but sometimes a "number" is
just a Python generator in disguise.

Kirby

[1]  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2012-December/date.html

[2]  At the risk of being tedious:

Compare:

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0876705.html


>>> f = open("pi.txt","w")
>>> pigen = pi_digits()
>>> print("".join([str(next(pigen)) for x in range(1000)]), file=f)  #
Python3
>>> f.close()

Last few digits of pi.txt:  9216420198  match!

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Hayward <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> wrote:

> I have posted "ABSOLUTE Precision Arithmetic and Arbitrary Precision
> OUTPUT" at http://JonathansCorner.com/arithmetic/ .
>
> "Arbitrary precision arithmetic" usually means "something like a float,
> but you can choose the number of decimal places." The same corruption
> issues appear as with floats, but you can choose a longer fuse, in many
> cases long enough to get your work done.
>


> This is a slightly different approach, and any comments would be welcome.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 18:45:45 2013
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:45:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Latest hack
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3SHdo4M2srG=O7mzWj_rt-s+r5YwqujSrUfcTj=HGO-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6_B5SR4T2ZKnAb4qoNr6=aY9M7WF81APD-Ey46i6gBJpXE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPJgG3SHdo4M2srG=O7mzWj_rt-s+r5YwqujSrUfcTj=HGO-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zkHSkwq3xumFOYsk0RikRbpyLch=j8sHfXPYohGJVYB7w@mail.gmail.com>

If you represent the number symbolically as an equation and then do
arbitrary precision calculations when you need the nth digit as a number
then that is a practical way of doing things. Most computer algebra systems
do this and I think sympy does this too http://sympy.org/en/index.html .
Usually you have a function that you call that gets the digit
representation.

---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung



On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:02 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is slightly branching to a connected topic, still philosophy of real
> numbers:
>
> *def pi_digits():
> **    k, a, b, a1, b1 = 2, 4, 1, 12, 4
>     while True:**        p, q, k = k*k, 2*k+1, k+1**        a, b, a1, b1 = a1, b1, p*a+q*a1, p*b+q*b1**        d, d1 = a/b, a1/b1**        while d == d1:**            yield int(d)**            a, a1 = 10*(a%b), 10*(a1%b1)**            d, d1 = a/b, a1/b1
>
> >>> from anyproject import pi_digits
> >>> pigen = pi_digits()
> >>> "".join([str(next(pigen)) for x in range(100)])
> '3141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820
>
>
> 974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067'
>
> *
>
> *Validation check:
> http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/digits/100
>
> *
>
> Pretty cool huh?
>
> We've been kicking it around on edu-sig [1] but none there are the author
> and none have explained how it works.
>
> Michel Paul, a high school mathematics teacher who "gets it" (one of the
> "abducted" who uses Python and related tools in the math curriculum), said
> it came from one of his students, but I don't know if the student claimed
> authorship either.
>
> Does anyone here in Chicago area recognize the above algorithm? [2]
>
> "Real Numbers" is a nice unifying heuristic, but sometimes a "number" is
> just a Python generator in disguise.
>
> Kirby
>
> [1]  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2012-December/date.html
>
>  [2]  At the risk of being tedious:
>
> Compare:
>
> http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0876705.html
>
>
> >>> f = open("pi.txt","w")
> >>> pigen = pi_digits()
> >>> print("".join([str(next(pigen)) for x in range(1000)]), file=f)  #
> Python3
> >>> f.close()
>
> Last few digits of pi.txt:  9216420198  match!
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Jonathan Hayward <
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I have posted "ABSOLUTE Precision Arithmetic and Arbitrary Precision
>> OUTPUT" at http://JonathansCorner.com/arithmetic/ .
>>
>> "Arbitrary precision arithmetic" usually means "something like a float,
>> but you can choose the number of decimal places." The same corruption
>> issues appear as with floats, but you can choose a longer fuse, in many
>> cases long enough to get your work done.
>>
>
>
>> This is a slightly different approach, and any comments would be welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 10 17:09:24 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 10:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python through Public Data Hacking
Message-ID: <CAMqL=igR8_fuo9rmNxnY=0DzR=de3vA4kvYX5Ef2fXPH9oma0g@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPZza_vZ3w

If you missed this at PyCon you can try it now.  Link to slides data and
code are into the 26 minute point.
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Apr 10 17:19:37 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 10:19:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python through Public Data Hacking
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=igR8_fuo9rmNxnY=0DzR=de3vA4kvYX5Ef2fXPH9oma0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMqL=igR8_fuo9rmNxnY=0DzR=de3vA4kvYX5Ef2fXPH9oma0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rauDq_Ac8W2ty_atFB_gSaPm+5UEiCvdH-27wE+TtyqfA@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the friendly url, and I'll add related links (like slides and code)
when I get a chance. (I've been on an internet vacation for half the week)

http://pyvideo.org/video/1725/learn-python-through-public-data-hacking



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPZza_vZ3w
>
> If you missed this at PyCon you can try it now.  Link to slides data and
> code are into the 26 minute point.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 10 17:42:15 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 10:42:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python through Public Data Hacking
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rauDq_Ac8W2ty_atFB_gSaPm+5UEiCvdH-27wE+TtyqfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMqL=igR8_fuo9rmNxnY=0DzR=de3vA4kvYX5Ef2fXPH9oma0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rauDq_Ac8W2ty_atFB_gSaPm+5UEiCvdH-27wE+TtyqfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=iiK5cWE5Gvu=XafHTeGryiaJaXBDJooFJwqmL6EYX0ggQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.dabeaz.com/pydata/

has the lecture slides, data and code.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:19 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Here's the friendly url, and I'll add related links (like slides and code)
> when I get a chance. (I've been on an internet vacation for half the week)
>
> http://pyvideo.org/video/1725/learn-python-through-public-data-hacking
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPZza_vZ3w
>>
>> If you missed this at PyCon you can try it now.  Link to slides data and
>> code are into the 26 minute point.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 16:36:11 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:36:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
Message-ID: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>

This will be our best meeting ever...

RSVP here -> http://www.chipy.org




-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 17:06:21 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:06:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEwvNMgYL2P_tyKVx54giB=BPNt3Um_mwq4RtOak-49YONpE9w@mail.gmail.com>

$5 bucks says the next meeting will be the best meeting ever!


-- 
Jason Wirth
    213.675.5294
    wirth.jason at gmail.com


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> This will be our best meeting ever...
>
> RSVP here -> http://www.chipy.org
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 17:12:41 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMgYL2P_tyKVx54giB=BPNt3Um_mwq4RtOak-49YONpE9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEwvNMgYL2P_tyKVx54giB=BPNt3Um_mwq4RtOak-49YONpE9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ijw5eFEeFLSywZ9onykvyQ23kcJy7=ZuZUf+OUFvUanWw@mail.gmail.com>

Eggsolent obsurvation.  Knot shur whie Eye git read lions ondur mie woards.


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> $5 bucks says the next meeting will be the best meeting ever!
>
>
> --
> Jason Wirth
>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This will be our best meeting ever...
>>
>> RSVP here -> http://www.chipy.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From jp at zavteq.com  Thu Apr 11 21:28:55 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=ijw5eFEeFLSywZ9onykvyQ23kcJy7=ZuZUf+OUFvUanWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEwvNMgYL2P_tyKVx54giB=BPNt3Um_mwq4RtOak-49YONpE9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMqL=ijw5eFEeFLSywZ9onykvyQ23kcJy7=ZuZUf+OUFvUanWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOL2cRQy8=_wZ+p65dxN_Ffwurt8Dqk49KGfmxi4Y9SctCw_nA@mail.gmail.com>

That physically hurt to read...i don't know why, it just did...




On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Eggsolent obsurvation.  Knot shur whie Eye git read lions ondur mie woards.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> $5 bucks says the next meeting will be the best meeting ever!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jason Wirth
>>     213.675.5294
>>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This will be our best meeting ever...
>>>
>>> RSVP here -> http://www.chipy.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Ray
>>> @brianray
>>> (773) 669-7717
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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Principal
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From brian at python.org  Thu Apr 11 23:14:41 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:14:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> This will be our best meeting ever...
>
> RSVP here -> http://www.chipy.org

Anyone know the deal with parking in this area? There's a Bulls game at 7:00.

From eviljoel at linux.com  Thu Apr 11 23:42:07 2013
From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:42:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>

If I remember right, they have parking available at Threadless.

Later,
eviljoel


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This will be our best meeting ever...
>>
>> RSVP here -> http://www.chipy.org
>
> Anyone know the deal with parking in this area? There's a Bulls game at 7:00.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 23:50:16 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:50:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+Z=PLm=xRZ-6YFu+-1cft2ZNJpL-uyx-b6vkx2Z7H6xCUu_A@mail.gmail.com>

I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized fenced
parking area, with a "threadless" sign on it...


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:

> If I remember right, they have parking available at Threadless.
>
> Later,
> eviljoel
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This will be our best meeting ever...
> >>
> >> RSVP here -> http://www.chipy.org
> >
> > Anyone know the deal with parking in this area? There's a Bulls game at
> 7:00.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Regards,
- Yarko
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From brian at python.org  Thu Apr 11 23:53:37 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:53:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+Z=PLm=xRZ-6YFu+-1cft2ZNJpL-uyx-b6vkx2Z7H6xCUu_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLm=xRZ-6YFu+-1cft2ZNJpL-uyx-b6vkx2Z7H6xCUu_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqCb3v4nT8dm6+uCq++BY0XrVtvGnG9WoXDmbBWuS+pyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized fenced parking
> area, with a "threadless" sign on it...

Yep. Before I drive there, can I actually park there, or do I need to
fight with the rest of the neighborhood over Bulls parking?

From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 01:30:59 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:30:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqCb3v4nT8dm6+uCq++BY0XrVtvGnG9WoXDmbBWuS+pyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLm=xRZ-6YFu+-1cft2ZNJpL-uyx-b6vkx2Z7H6xCUu_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqCb3v4nT8dm6+uCq++BY0XrVtvGnG9WoXDmbBWuS+pyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA754B6B-FDD9-4A90-9924-1A7993F7FD34@gmail.com>

Gate is open until 8:30 for parking

On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized fenced parking
>> area, with a "threadless" sign on it...
> 
> Yep. Before I drive there, can I actually park there, or do I need to
> fight with the rest of the neighborhood over Bulls parking?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From jp at zavteq.com  Fri Apr 12 01:38:28 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:38:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CA754B6B-FDD9-4A90-9924-1A7993F7FD34@gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLm=xRZ-6YFu+-1cft2ZNJpL-uyx-b6vkx2Z7H6xCUu_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqCb3v4nT8dm6+uCq++BY0XrVtvGnG9WoXDmbBWuS+pyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA754B6B-FDD9-4A90-9924-1A7993F7FD34@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOL2cRTb=Ys6N_Jny6+vmnf_v4einHyGHH9cnNVrovO52KOQGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does that mean we have to leave by 8:30?
On Apr 11, 2013 6:31 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gate is open until 8:30 for parking
>
> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized fenced
> parking
> >> area, with a "threadless" sign on it...
> >
> > Yep. Before I drive there, can I actually park there, or do I need to
> > fight with the rest of the neighborhood over Bulls parking?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 02:51:22 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAOL2cRTb=Ys6N_Jny6+vmnf_v4einHyGHH9cnNVrovO52KOQGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLm=xRZ-6YFu+-1cft2ZNJpL-uyx-b6vkx2Z7H6xCUu_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqCb3v4nT8dm6+uCq++BY0XrVtvGnG9WoXDmbBWuS+pyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA754B6B-FDD9-4A90-9924-1A7993F7FD34@gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRTb=Ys6N_Jny6+vmnf_v4einHyGHH9cnNVrovO52KOQGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F06EF2BE-472F-4657-A8F2-938EE565CDB1@gmail.com>

No, the gate will allow exit.

On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:38 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

> Does that mean we have to leave by 8:30?
> 
> On Apr 11, 2013 6:31 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gate is open until 8:30 for parking
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized fenced parking
>> >> area, with a "threadless" sign on it...
>> >
>> > Yep. Before I drive there, can I actually park there, or do I need to
>> > fight with the rest of the neighborhood over Bulls parking?
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From yushang at outlook.com  Fri Apr 12 04:41:44 2013
From: yushang at outlook.com (shangyu)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:41:44 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] strange None tailing
Message-ID: <BAY176-W280DF419B211A623E5A055A3C10@phx.gbl>

Hi dear all,I've wrote the following Python code :
def test(f):  print >>f, "zzzz"
def main():  f = open("test.cfg","w")  test(f)  f.close(when open the test.cfg file I got the following lineszzzzNone
Why there is such a strange None output ? 		 	   		  
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From yushang at outlook.com  Fri Apr 12 04:45:53 2013
From: yushang at outlook.com (shangyu)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:45:53 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] FW: strange None tailing
In-Reply-To: <BAY176-W280DF419B211A623E5A055A3C10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY176-W280DF419B211A623E5A055A3C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY176-W379FD94D14E92293D06766A3C10@phx.gbl>

Sorry , the correct code is
def test(f):  print >>f, "zzzz"
def main():  f = open("test.cfg","w")  test(f)  f.close()
From: yushang at outlook.com
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: strange None tailing
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:41:44 +0800




Hi dear all,I've wrote the following Python code :
def test(f):  print >>f, "zzzz"
def main():  f = open("test.cfg","w")  test(f)  f.close(when open the test.cfg file I got the following lineszzzzNone
Why there is such a strange None output ? 		 	   		   		 	   		  
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From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Apr 12 04:56:31 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:56:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] FW: strange None tailing
In-Reply-To: <BAY176-W379FD94D14E92293D06766A3C10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY176-W280DF419B211A623E5A055A3C10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY176-W379FD94D14E92293D06766A3C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSgADnJEj0NBodQMYL8QB9K7QEbBLyyzPpwWOUQQsyKCpg@mail.gmail.com>

Um, main() never gets called.

Carl K


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, shangyu <yushang at outlook.com> wrote:
> Sorry , the correct code is
>
> def test(f):
>   print >>f, "zzzz"
>
> def main():
>   f = open("test.cfg","w")
>   test(f)
>   f.close()
>
> ________________________________
> From: yushang at outlook.com
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: strange None tailing
> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:41:44 +0800
>
>
> Hi dear all,
> I've wrote the following Python code :
>
> def test(f):
>   print >>f, "zzzz"
>
> def main():
>   f = open("test.cfg","w")
>   test(f)
>   f.close(
> when open the test.cfg file I got the following lines
> zzzz
> None
>
> Why there is such a strange None output ?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Apr 12 05:04:28 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] FW: strange None tailing
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSgADnJEj0NBodQMYL8QB9K7QEbBLyyzPpwWOUQQsyKCpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY176-W280DF419B211A623E5A055A3C10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY176-W379FD94D14E92293D06766A3C10@phx.gbl>
	<CADmzSSgADnJEj0NBodQMYL8QB9K7QEbBLyyzPpwWOUQQsyKCpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSShCWLxkhLPR3y75kZvswe5N-LssWPwmYD_z4JM16NsGPg@mail.gmail.com>

for those wondering...

carl at dc10:~/temp$ cat foo.py

def test(f):
  print >>f, "zzzz"

def main():
  f = open("test.cfg","w")
  test(f)
  f.close()

if __name__=='__main__':
  main()
carl at dc10:~/temp$ python foo.py
carl at dc10:~/temp$ cat test.cfg
zzzz
carl at dc10:~/temp$

-- 
Carl K


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> Um, main() never gets called.
>
> Carl K
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, shangyu <yushang at outlook.com> wrote:
>> Sorry , the correct code is
>>
>> def test(f):
>>   print >>f, "zzzz"
>>
>> def main():
>>   f = open("test.cfg","w")
>>   test(f)
>>   f.close()
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: yushang at outlook.com
>> To: chicago at python.org
>> Subject: strange None tailing
>> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:41:44 +0800
>>
>>
>> Hi dear all,
>> I've wrote the following Python code :
>>
>> def test(f):
>>   print >>f, "zzzz"
>>
>> def main():
>>   f = open("test.cfg","w")
>>   test(f)
>>   f.close(
>> when open the test.cfg file I got the following lines
>> zzzz
>> None
>>
>> Why there is such a strange None output ?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>

From yushang at outlook.com  Fri Apr 12 05:18:25 2013
From: yushang at outlook.com (shangyu)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:18:25 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] FW: strange None tailing
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSShCWLxkhLPR3y75kZvswe5N-LssWPwmYD_z4JM16NsGPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY176-W280DF419B211A623E5A055A3C10@phx.gbl>,
	<BAY176-W379FD94D14E92293D06766A3C10@phx.gbl>,
	<CADmzSSgADnJEj0NBodQMYL8QB9K7QEbBLyyzPpwWOUQQsyKCpg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CADmzSShCWLxkhLPR3y75kZvswe5N-LssWPwmYD_z4JM16NsGPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY176-W1265DFD4058A68DFAEA107A3C10@phx.gbl>

I've checked my code , in fact , I wrote the following lineprint >>f, test(f)that's why I got the strange None in tail . Many thanks!!!

> From: carl at personnelware.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:04:28 -0500
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] FW: strange None tailing
> 
> for those wondering...
> 
> carl at dc10:~/temp$ cat foo.py
> 
> def test(f):
>   print >>f, "zzzz"
> 
> def main():
>   f = open("test.cfg","w")
>   test(f)
>   f.close()
> 
> if __name__=='__main__':
>   main()
> carl at dc10:~/temp$ python foo.py
> carl at dc10:~/temp$ cat test.cfg
> zzzz
> carl at dc10:~/temp$
> 
> -- 
> Carl K
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> > Um, main() never gets called.
> >
> > Carl K
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, shangyu <yushang at outlook.com> wrote:
> >> Sorry , the correct code is
> >>
> >> def test(f):
> >>   print >>f, "zzzz"
> >>
> >> def main():
> >>   f = open("test.cfg","w")
> >>   test(f)
> >>   f.close()
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: yushang at outlook.com
> >> To: chicago at python.org
> >> Subject: strange None tailing
> >> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:41:44 +0800
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi dear all,
> >> I've wrote the following Python code :
> >>
> >> def test(f):
> >>   print >>f, "zzzz"
> >>
> >> def main():
> >>   f = open("test.cfg","w")
> >>   test(f)
> >>   f.close(
> >> when open the test.cfg file I got the following lines
> >> zzzz
> >> None
> >>
> >> Why there is such a strange None output ?
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
 		 	   		  
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 06:44:57 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:44:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <F06EF2BE-472F-4657-A8F2-938EE565CDB1@gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAOL2cRTb=Ys6N_Jny6+vmnf_v4einHyGHH9cnNVrovO52KOQGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F06EF2BE-472F-4657-A8F2-938EE565CDB1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+Z=PJ8J0dkL8DN=S7tHUPH+PF_kf5RO4oLrWmQppM8=9+2VQ@mail.gmail.com>

post-mortem:   that _was_ mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight!   Thanks,
threadless (and everyone there!)



On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, the gate will allow exit.
>
> On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:38 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>
> Does that mean we have to leave by 8:30?
> On Apr 11, 2013 6:31 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gate is open until 8:30 for parking
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized fenced
>> parking
>> >> area, with a "threadless" sign on it...
>> >
>> > Yep. Before I drive there, can I actually park there, or do I need to
>> > fight with the rest of the neighborhood over Bulls parking?
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
Regards,
- Yarko
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 16:14:20 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:14:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+Z=PJ8J0dkL8DN=S7tHUPH+PF_kf5RO4oLrWmQppM8=9+2VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLm=xRZ-6YFu+-1cft2ZNJpL-uyx-b6vkx2Z7H6xCUu_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqCb3v4nT8dm6+uCq++BY0XrVtvGnG9WoXDmbBWuS+pyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA754B6B-FDD9-4A90-9924-1A7993F7FD34@gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRTb=Ys6N_Jny6+vmnf_v4einHyGHH9cnNVrovO52KOQGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F06EF2BE-472F-4657-A8F2-938EE565CDB1@gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PJ8J0dkL8DN=S7tHUPH+PF_kf5RO4oLrWmQppM8=9+2VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ijOsqv9mnuN5P7YSKovVa4YzEG8MOiwqSqrT4La=7GqNA@mail.gmail.com>

Meeting was awesome and after a few more changes to my body I see at least
five t-shirts I will want to order.

Could anyone tell me the name of the speaker Adam mentioned who spoke on
changes in the future?


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> post-mortem:   that _was_ mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight!   Thanks,
> threadless (and everyone there!)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No, the gate will allow exit.
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:38 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does that mean we have to leave by 8:30?
>> On Apr 11, 2013 6:31 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gate is open until 8:30 for parking
>>>
>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized fenced
>>> parking
>>> >> area, with a "threadless" sign on it...
>>> >
>>> > Yep. Before I drive there, can I actually park there, or do I need to
>>> > fight with the rest of the neighborhood over Bulls parking?
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From jp at zavteq.com  Fri Apr 12 16:16:24 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:16:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=ijOsqv9mnuN5P7YSKovVa4YzEG8MOiwqSqrT4La=7GqNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpYNuRNLXOu2DRwT9NQo_N09N38Q7M5oih-9Ajg_TcYoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP86OGvXx3FKb1O=D8Mi9Ex6hKX16dgVOpcMhwR_rQjo8YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLm=xRZ-6YFu+-1cft2ZNJpL-uyx-b6vkx2Z7H6xCUu_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqCb3v4nT8dm6+uCq++BY0XrVtvGnG9WoXDmbBWuS+pyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA754B6B-FDD9-4A90-9924-1A7993F7FD34@gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRTb=Ys6N_Jny6+vmnf_v4einHyGHH9cnNVrovO52KOQGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F06EF2BE-472F-4657-A8F2-938EE565CDB1@gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PJ8J0dkL8DN=S7tHUPH+PF_kf5RO4oLrWmQppM8=9+2VQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOL2cRRmwYGjFjGkoMLa4Stwb-xAE=iBOTijnCATbO6pqo1=kg@mail.gmail.com>

Was he referring to Bruce Sterling?

Next time we're at threadless, could we do a harlem shake video w/ the
giant robot?


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Meeting was awesome and after a few more changes to my body I see at least
> five t-shirts I will want to order.
>
> Could anyone tell me the name of the speaker Adam mentioned who spoke on
> changes in the future?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> post-mortem:   that _was_ mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight!   Thanks,
>> threadless (and everyone there!)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, the gate will allow exit.
>>>
>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:38 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does that mean we have to leave by 8:30?
>>> On Apr 11, 2013 6:31 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gate is open until 8:30 for parking
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized fenced
>>>> parking
>>>> >> area, with a "threadless" sign on it...
>>>> >
>>>> > Yep. Before I drive there, can I actually park there, or do I need to
>>>> > fight with the rest of the neighborhood over Bulls parking?
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> - Yarko
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
JP Bader
Principal
Zavteq, Inc.
@lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
608.692.2468
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 16:51:32 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:51:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAOL2cRRmwYGjFjGkoMLa4Stwb-xAE=iBOTijnCATbO6pqo1=kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38uDz3pnihbxJF+3iGfdWhGAktLLHjbYi5K4xd7Exs-xDA@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes he was


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:16 AM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

> Was he referring to Bruce Sterling?
>
> Next time we're at threadless, could we do a harlem shake video w/ the
> giant robot?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Meeting was awesome and after a few more changes to my body I see at
>> least five t-shirts I will want to order.
>>
>> Could anyone tell me the name of the speaker Adam mentioned who spoke on
>> changes in the future?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> post-mortem:   that _was_ mindblowing ChiPy-ness tonight!   Thanks,
>>> threadless (and everyone there!)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, the gate will allow exit.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:38 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does that mean we have to leave by 8:30?
>>>> On Apr 11, 2013 6:31 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gate is open until 8:30 for parking
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> I just looked on Google maps - there seems to be a fair sized
>>>>> fenced parking
>>>>> >> area, with a "threadless" sign on it...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yep. Before I drive there, can I actually park there, or do I need to
>>>>> > fight with the rest of the neighborhood over Bulls parking?
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> - Yarko
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 05:23:27 2013
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:23:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Concurrency Presentation
Message-ID: <CAFmpWQBfSouPcKBv4VoEC2ytam_jRqrDiYw4sc8HM_Mh47jWYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is my presentation Power Point.

I think I might have gone a little do deep on some of these topics. If
anyone has questions or want some of the solutions we came up with let me
know.


Also,

OpDemand provides simple cloud management. We have a transparent (and open
source) way of deploying your services with automatic monitoring, audit
trails and role based access control.

We are specifically looking for more Python users to help us beef up our
support for frameworks like Django. If you are looking to deploy to EC2 or
already have something there send me an email.


Thanks for letting me talk,
Dan
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From brian at python.org  Tue Apr 16 18:48:57 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:48:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyOhio Call for Proposals opened, Due June 1
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwrtEUw29Wt9L6qeChGY-gpnDFJBazVt1_fZ_ppdZsqLhQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://pyohio.org/call-for-proposals/

It is once again free and taking place July 27-28 at Ohio State
University in Columbus

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Tue Apr 16 18:52:33 2013
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:52:33 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] PyOhio Call for Proposals opened, Due June 1
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwrtEUw29Wt9L6qeChGY-gpnDFJBazVt1_fZ_ppdZsqLhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwrtEUw29Wt9L6qeChGY-gpnDFJBazVt1_fZ_ppdZsqLhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRnB2Uc1RLuJ0nJJLeqwiUwoe5D0qr7d0KYmF-cFZ6ORaGrBw@mail.gmail.com>

I can't recommend PyOhio enough, it's a really fantastic conference!

Alex


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> http://pyohio.org/call-for-proposals/
>
> It is once again free and taking place July 27-28 at Ohio State
> University in Columbus
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From pollari.lists at gmail.com  Tue Apr 16 21:24:22 2013
From: pollari.lists at gmail.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:24:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] strange None tailing
In-Reply-To: <BAY176-W280DF419B211A623E5A055A3C10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY176-W280DF419B211A623E5A055A3C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B62429E5-578B-48AD-906B-66F180E0EF68@gmail.com>

The print function adds a new line. Add a coma after it, i.e.:

def test(f):
  print >>f, "zzzz",

or, if you can assume f always has a write method, the more correct way would be:

def test(f):
	f.write("zzzz")


hope that helps,
Ted


p.s.: for a more verbose write-up, see: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/493386/how-to-print-in-python-without-newline-or-space


On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:41 PM, shangyu <yushang at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi dear all,
> I've wrote the following Python code :
> 
> def test(f):
>   print >>f, "zzzz"
> 
> def main():
>   f = open("test.cfg","w")
>   test(f)
>   f.close(
> when open the test.cfg file I got the following lines
> zzzz
> None


From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Apr 17 21:50:41 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:50:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I am going to go on a long hiatus for running python office hours, and I'll
be taking it off the cal for now. I just got very (happy) busy so I'm going
to be spending brain time on some other projects for a while.

If someone else would like to run some programming office hours things, I
will be very happy for you! though I may not have the time to show up.

-- 
sheila
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 22:20:35 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:20:35 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+bNG1a-J8k6figJqyp1nyvPu7x-RRHuaRgFpu-kWskYeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Guessing your about to learn some french, mon cherie?

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I am going to go on a long hiatus for running python office hours, and
> I'll be taking it off the cal for now. I just got very (happy) busy so I'm
> going to be spending brain time on some other projects for a while.
>
> If someone else would like to run some programming office hours things, I
> will be very happy for you! though I may not have the time to show up.
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 22:22:22 2013
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:22:22 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bNG1a-J8k6figJqyp1nyvPu7x-RRHuaRgFpu-kWskYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+bNG1a-J8k6figJqyp1nyvPu7x-RRHuaRgFpu-kWskYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+ZhZAB1MTo7KUxo1BT2ygC2vwaGJ-pvcp-12-5S1MSCdA@mail.gmail.com>

in which I butcher french language on chipy mailing list

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> Guessing your about to learn some french, mon cherie?
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I am going to go on a long hiatus for running python office hours, and
>> I'll be taking it off the cal for now. I just got very (happy) busy so I'm
>> going to be spending brain time on some other projects for a while.
>>
>> If someone else would like to run some programming office hours things, I
>> will be very happy for you! though I may not have the time to show up.
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Apr 17 22:35:07 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:35:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bNG1a-J8k6figJqyp1nyvPu7x-RRHuaRgFpu-kWskYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+bNG1a-J8k6figJqyp1nyvPu7x-RRHuaRgFpu-kWskYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5UwamQXE93HpMfx9JrqBGcPd1M8H7K5Qf5pNrRS5hRrQVQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Guessing your about to learn some french, mon cherie?

"Ma cherie," peut-?tre?

(Man, oh man, has it been a lotta years since French class...)

Skip

From brianhingyenkung at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 02:02:58 2013
From: brianhingyenkung at gmail.com (Brian Kung)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:02:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aggrego Hack Night
Message-ID: <CAJnazsWjAswRx-ReweP6TCm5Rgw04EXP0DtxkLpX1Zoh8_w0ww@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a developer at Aggrego, the new technology sister company to the
Chicago Sun-Times, and I just wanted to invite the members of Chicago
Python to a night of hacking at the Times:

http://www.meetup.com/Aggrego-Hack-Night/events/114737922/

There is competition involving Project Euler which you can take part in if
you like, but otherwise, feel free to hack on whatever you like. Food and
drink will be provided.

Hope to see you there!

Best,
Brian Kung
My Bio <https://www.vizify.com/briankung>
<http://www.facebook.com/brian.kung>
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/briankung><http://www.twitter.com/briankung>

BE A UNICORN!
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 05:26:27 2013
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:26:27 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Pi generator again
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3T4xeJV47rbzWVS+U78b_Caw_-mchQb1E9VMUtKesE+WQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just noticed the formatting of the Pi generator in the Chipy
archives came out like total crap:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2013-April/010969.html

Sorry about that.

Here's a link to where the formatting worked:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2012-December/010729.html

I'm gonna blame my slowness to find the Plaintext option in the newest
Gmail interface.

Trying again here with the Python:

def pi_digits():
    k, a, b, a1, b1 = 2, 4, 1, 12, 4
    while True:
        p, q, k = k*k, 2*k+1, k+1
        a, b, a1, b1 = a1, b1, p*a+q*a1, p*b+q*b1
        d, d1 = a/b, a1/b1
        while d == d1:
            yield int(d)
            a, a1 = 10*(a%b), 10*(a1%b1)
            d, d1 = a/b, a1/b1

(if that didn't come through in Plaintext, with indentation, I'm
sorry, I selected it many times)

Kirby

(in Portland (alien lurker))

PS:   I have since showed off generator versions of:

Gregory coefficients:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2013-April/010829.html

Bernoulli Numbers:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2013-April/010831.html

I was inspired by Raymond Hettinger's talk on how cool generators are,
among other Python features (Pycon keynote). I agree.

From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 16:17:05 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:17:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ii9tPrQgs6i182gbE3eXqNJbj-Q-Dn6E3XhN-Sj-t-KkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Best wishes for you Sheila.  I hope everything goes well for you.  Thank
you to you and to Carl for the help and encouragement you have provided
this newbie through your personal enthusiasm and the technical stuff as
well.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:50 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I am going to go on a long hiatus for running python office hours, and
> I'll be taking it off the cal for now. I just got very (happy) busy so I'm
> going to be spending brain time on some other projects for a while.
>
> If someone else would like to run some programming office hours things, I
> will be very happy for you! though I may not have the time to show up.
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Apr 18 16:51:22 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Malvage? was: Pi generator again
Message-ID: <CANc-5UwY013QLfgSzDqMmj60uzrOpwBy6rz63XXvDa1k65qEHw@mail.gmail.com>

> I just noticed the formatting of the Pi generator in the Chipy
> archives came out like total crap:

A Pi generator was at the heart of last night's episode of
*Elementary.  *Apparently,
the "random number generator" in a super-high-security safe was actually
just spitting out the next ten digits of pi every couple minutes.  Sherlock
recognized a Pi generator written in some (fake?) language called "Malvage"
(sp?).  It looked just like modem line noise (made Perl look like Python by
comparison!).  I tried a few searches, but turned up nothing.

Is this language fake or real?

Thx,

Skip
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From heflin.rosst at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 17:30:02 2013
From: heflin.rosst at gmail.com (Ross Heflin)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:30:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Malvage? was: Pi generator again
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UwY013QLfgSzDqMmj60uzrOpwBy6rz63XXvDa1k65qEHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UwY013QLfgSzDqMmj60uzrOpwBy6rz63XXvDa1k65qEHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGy=3C4zRWY+NPPJRw=pgnG0dXLff1qUCvFsggx0Q45RsebWHg@mail.gmail.com>

Skip,

Closest match my brain can come up with is Malbolge, an esoteric
programming language born in 1998.

Its named after a circle of hell as its author made it intentionally
difficult to write in.

More details here:
Wikipedia (citation neededs abound): http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge
Esolang: http://esolangs.org/wiki/malbolge

hth,
-Ross
On Apr 18, 2013 9:51 AM, "Skip Montanaro" <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> > I just noticed the formatting of the Pi generator in the Chipy
> > archives came out like total crap:
>
> A Pi generator was at the heart of last night's episode of *Elementary.  *Apparently,
> the "random number generator" in a super-high-security safe was actually
> just spitting out the next ten digits of pi every couple minutes.  Sherlock
> recognized a Pi generator written in some (fake?) language called "Malvage"
> (sp?).  It looked just like modem line noise (made Perl look like Python by
> comparison!).  I tried a few searches, but turned up nothing.
>
> Is this language fake or real?
>
> Thx,
>
> Skip
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Apr 18 17:35:07 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:35:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Malvage? was: Pi generator again
In-Reply-To: <CAGy=3C4zRWY+NPPJRw=pgnG0dXLff1qUCvFsggx0Q45RsebWHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UwY013QLfgSzDqMmj60uzrOpwBy6rz63XXvDa1k65qEHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGy=3C4zRWY+NPPJRw=pgnG0dXLff1qUCvFsggx0Q45RsebWHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5UwfN-OtsygfMDrXTKWpzeOSQt9Bdx2RX0A6Z-rW7_vc0w@mail.gmail.com>

> Closest match my brain can come up with is Malbolge, an esoteric
> programming language born in 1998.

Yes, that's it.  Sherlock did mention the eighth circle of hell.

Thx,

Skip

From heflin.rosst at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 17:44:36 2013
From: heflin.rosst at gmail.com (Ross Heflin)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:44:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Malvage? was: Pi generator again
In-Reply-To: <CAGy=3C4zRWY+NPPJRw=pgnG0dXLff1qUCvFsggx0Q45RsebWHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANc-5UwY013QLfgSzDqMmj60uzrOpwBy6rz63XXvDa1k65qEHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGy=3C4zRWY+NPPJRw=pgnG0dXLff1qUCvFsggx0Q45RsebWHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGy=3C6bAmqvdcduiu7KFAfqmLbP+g2Bg+SH+pEwOwtp4XTupw@mail.gmail.com>

Should anyone care, dug up the original page for it which I ran across
somewhere in the early 2000s @ archive.org

http://web.archive.org/web/20000815230017/http:/www.mines.edu/students/b/bolmstea/malbolge/

hth,
-Ross


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Ross Heflin <heflin.rosst at gmail.com>wrote:

> Skip,
>
> Closest match my brain can come up with is Malbolge, an esoteric
> programming language born in 1998.
>
> Its named after a circle of hell as its author made it intentionally
> difficult to write in.
>
> More details here:
> Wikipedia (citation neededs abound):
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge
> Esolang: http://esolangs.org/wiki/malbolge
>
> hth,
> -Ross
> On Apr 18, 2013 9:51 AM, "Skip Montanaro" <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > I just noticed the formatting of the Pi generator in the Chipy
>> > archives came out like total crap:
>>
>> A Pi generator was at the heart of last night's episode of *Elementary.
>> *Apparently, the "random number generator" in a super-high-security safe
>> was actually just spitting out the next ten digits of pi every couple
>> minutes.  Sherlock recognized a Pi generator written in some (fake?)
>> language called "Malvage" (sp?).  It looked just like modem line noise
>> (made Perl look like Python by comparison!).  I tried a few searches, but
>> turned up nothing.
>>
>> Is this language fake or real?
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>


-- 
>From the "desk" of Ross Heflin
phone number: (847) <23,504,826th decimal place of pi>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Apr 18 19:11:02 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:11:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UwamQXE93HpMfx9JrqBGcPd1M8H7K5Qf5pNrRS5hRrQVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+bNG1a-J8k6figJqyp1nyvPu7x-RRHuaRgFpu-kWskYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UwamQXE93HpMfx9JrqBGcPd1M8H7K5Qf5pNrRS5hRrQVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raUzuTSPXbKEjNKo7pv8wb2-+x+U1BArDmSpG5WWCdpYA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> > Guessing your about to learn some french, mon cherie?
>
> "Ma cherie," peut-?tre?
>
> (Man, oh man, has it been a lotta years since French class...)
>

My grandparents spoke a cajun french dialect, but they did not pass it on
to us. I do remember people where I grew up sprinkling "cher" (pronounced
almost like shah) in conversation. :)

Dunno if I will be traveling just yet. This is my first week.
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Apr 18 19:12:49 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:12:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] quasi python office hours tonight
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rakx3KZBDDQ27JLta6uq_8AJy2=LWgvJJtsTW82k_FErw@mail.gmail.com>

Carl offered to go hang out at ps1 to meet some people to possibly give a
quick intro -- though, due to the flooding in our house and area I should
check my assumption that it will still happen.

-- 
sheila
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From wilson.tamarrie at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 19:52:37 2013
From: wilson.tamarrie at gmail.com (T Wilson)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:52:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raUzuTSPXbKEjNKo7pv8wb2-+x+U1BArDmSpG5WWCdpYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raXw9jgGVD_j=tedStWnTpB8Zi7g_HyR19891F01D6DXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+bNG1a-J8k6figJqyp1nyvPu7x-RRHuaRgFpu-kWskYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UwamQXE93HpMfx9JrqBGcPd1M8H7K5Qf5pNrRS5hRrQVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_raUzuTSPXbKEjNKo7pv8wb2-+x+U1BArDmSpG5WWCdpYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACoHCNSu4YTrehjCgjt0nQFaJx_aJdv1HS6NC07PfTJSVO22dg@mail.gmail.com>

I have to agree.  Thank you for all you've done.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:11 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > Guessing your about to learn some french, mon cherie?
>>
>> "Ma cherie," peut-?tre?
>>
>> (Man, oh man, has it been a lotta years since French class...)
>>
>
> My grandparents spoke a cajun french dialect, but they did not pass it on
> to us. I do remember people where I grew up sprinkling "cher" (pronounced
> almost like shah) in conversation. :)
>
> Dunno if I will be traveling just yet. This is my first week.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 21:47:08 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:47:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
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Sheila -

So all this mystery about french has me wondering;
Are you and Carl off on "assignment" to Paris?   Montreal?   (someplace
else?)

Whatever your adventure is, wish you safe (and exciting!?!) travels!

- Yarko

Regards,
- Yarko


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:11 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > Guessing your about to learn some french, mon cherie?
>>
>> "Ma cherie," peut-?tre?
>>
>> (Man, oh man, has it been a lotta years since French class...)
>>
>
> My grandparents spoke a cajun french dialect, but they did not pass it on
> to us. I do remember people where I grew up sprinkling "cher" (pronounced
> almost like shah) in conversation. :)
>
> Dunno if I will be traveling just yet. This is my first week.
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Apr 18 21:56:18 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
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Nothing mysterious. I have a new job, and some of the people are working
from France. I'll be working from Chicago, but prone to travel in case they
want to ramp me up on things. Not counting chickens yet -- an earlier job
planned to send me to Sydney for 3 months but those plans got canceled. So
I go with the flow. Chicago is great. Travel is great. It's all good.

I would love to visit Montreal! I need to practice visiting for pycon.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sheila -
>
> So all this mystery about french has me wondering;
> Are you and Carl off on "assignment" to Paris?   Montreal?   (someplace
> else?)
>
> Whatever your adventure is, wish you safe (and exciting!?!) travels!
> [...]
>

-- 
sheila
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 22:20:55 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours hiatus
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Oh, good... as long as we won't have to "miss you" :-)

Congratulations are in order then!

Regards,
- Yarko


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:56 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Nothing mysterious. I have a new job, and some of the people are working
> from France. I'll be working from Chicago, but prone to travel in case they
> want to ramp me up on things. Not counting chickens yet -- an earlier job
> planned to send me to Sydney for 3 months but those plans got canceled. So
> I go with the flow. Chicago is great. Travel is great. It's all good.
>
> I would love to visit Montreal! I need to practice visiting for pycon.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Sheila -
>>
>> So all this mystery about french has me wondering;
>> Are you and Carl off on "assignment" to Paris?   Montreal?   (someplace
>> else?)
>>
>> Whatever your adventure is, wish you safe (and exciting!?!) travels!
>> [...]
>>
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Apr 18 23:39:05 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python office hours canceled again
Message-ID: <CADmzSShnkod=GB0yUuTxfDDbFqcHnVRQWbe+cF+RKWs0yCEX3w@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I doubt I am going to be done mopping before 7, so looks like I
have to cancel.

Sorry those of you that were hoping to talk Python tonight.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:12 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Carl offered to go hang out at ps1 to meet some people to possibly give a
> quick intro -- though, due to the flooding in our house and area I should
> check my assumption that it will still happen.
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
--
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 21:03:39 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Dev{}Mynd has offered to host
Message-ID: <CANKg38u=KH1nLDGvUuahQmhmxpfM+UrtFwURVDcs6UrDXyO2zg@mail.gmail.com>

May meeting venue?

2035 W. Wabansia Ave.
Chicago, IL 60647

Up in Wicker Park/Bucktown.

Should be fun.

Can I get a +1?


-- 
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@brianray
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From cline6 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 21:27:18 2013
From: cline6 at gmail.com (Eric Cline)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:27:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Dev{}Mynd has offered to host
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+1!  : )


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> May meeting venue?
>
> 2035 W. Wabansia Ave.
> Chicago, IL 60647
>
> Up in Wicker Park/Bucktown.
>
> Should be fun.
>
> Can I get a +1?
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 22:34:57 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Dev{}Mynd has offered to host
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+1!

Is this the Language smackdown meeting?


On Friday, April 19, 2013, Eric Cline wrote:

> +1!  : )
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'brianhray at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> May meeting venue?
>>
>> 2035 W. Wabansia Ave.
>> Chicago, IL 60647
>>
>> Up in Wicker Park/Bucktown.
>>
>> Should be fun.
>>
>> Can I get a +1?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'Chicago at python.org');>
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>

-- 

-- 
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    213.675.5294
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 22:49:14 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Dev{}Mynd has offered to host
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The language smackdown will be in June; although, we will open the
registration for this at 7pm of the May meeting. I will provide a signup
form on the list and the first one to choose a language gets it.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1!
>
> Is this the Language smackdown meeting?
>
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2013, Eric Cline wrote:
>
>> +1!  : )
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> May meeting venue?
>>>
>>> 2035 W. Wabansia Ave.
>>> Chicago, IL 60647
>>>
>>> Up in Wicker Park/Bucktown.
>>>
>>> Should be fun.
>>>
>>> Can I get a +1?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Ray
>>> @brianray
>>> (773) 669-7717
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
>
> --
> Jason Wirth
>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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>


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From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Sat Apr 20 17:00:39 2013
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Talk ideas for May
References: <87r4i9c888.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
Message-ID: <87y5cdb620.fsf@earlgrey.lan>

Hello all,

It's been a while since I've given a talk at ChiPy.  I have several
topics queued up that I'd love to speak about:

 - Hy: a lisp that transforms itself into the python AST.  It's really
   cool, and I think it may have an extremely interesting future!

   http://hy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
   http://hylang.org/

 - Should MediaGoblin be a Django application?

   ~2 years into being developed as a "django-like" web application that
   does not use django and in fact uses no framework and just cobbles
   together a bunch of good libraries, it's time for a reflection: was
   that the right choice?  What historical reasons lead to this
   decision?  Have the reasons stayed the same?  What have we learned?
   What would switching look like, and why should or shouldn't we?

 - In-project virtualenvs (lightning talk)

   This talk advocates for an unusual method of setting up a virtualenv
   that I believe will make things a lot easier for your contributors.

 - Release your secret sauce

   This talk is more of a social/philosophical talk about trends in web
   development.  Releasing libraries as FOSS is the hip/cool thing to
   do, but why aren't we seeing as many full web applications being
   released in such a manner?

I am going to suggest I give talks on #1 and also #3 since it's super
short.  The other ones I'm still interested in talking about in the
near-future, though.

Alternately we could do an ALL CHRIS WEBBER CHIPY wait that's a terrible
idea let's not.

 - cwebb

From adam at adamforsyth.net  Sat Apr 20 17:14:22 2013
From: adam at adamforsyth.net (Adam Forsyth)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:14:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Talk ideas for May
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+1 to Hy and virtualenvs! Sounds awesome!
On Apr 20, 2013 10:06 AM, "Christopher Allan Webber" <cwebber at dustycloud.org>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> It's been a while since I've given a talk at ChiPy.  I have several
> topics queued up that I'd love to speak about:
>
>  - Hy: a lisp that transforms itself into the python AST.  It's really
>    cool, and I think it may have an extremely interesting future!
>
>    http://hy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>    http://hylang.org/
>
>  - Should MediaGoblin be a Django application?
>
>    ~2 years into being developed as a "django-like" web application that
>    does not use django and in fact uses no framework and just cobbles
>    together a bunch of good libraries, it's time for a reflection: was
>    that the right choice?  What historical reasons lead to this
>    decision?  Have the reasons stayed the same?  What have we learned?
>    What would switching look like, and why should or shouldn't we?
>
>  - In-project virtualenvs (lightning talk)
>
>    This talk advocates for an unusual method of setting up a virtualenv
>    that I believe will make things a lot easier for your contributors.
>
>  - Release your secret sauce
>
>    This talk is more of a social/philosophical talk about trends in web
>    development.  Releasing libraries as FOSS is the hip/cool thing to
>    do, but why aren't we seeing as many full web applications being
>    released in such a manner?
>
> I am going to suggest I give talks on #1 and also #3 since it's super
> short.  The other ones I'm still interested in talking about in the
> near-future, though.
>
> Alternately we could do an ALL CHRIS WEBBER CHIPY wait that's a terrible
> idea let's not.
>
>  - cwebb
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From matt.foster.c at gmail.com  Sun Apr 21 00:04:38 2013
From: matt.foster.c at gmail.com (Matt Foster)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:04:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Talk ideas for May
In-Reply-To: <CABrs+N90gbKCyDnVeYLUuNgNceWyV-+ksVSX1AJ6+XF27C2VXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87r4i9c888.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87y5cdb620.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
	<CABrs+N90gbKCyDnVeYLUuNgNceWyV-+ksVSX1AJ6+XF27C2VXA@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 for Hy, sounds rad


On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Adam Forsyth <adam at adamforsyth.net> wrote:

> +1 to Hy and virtualenvs! Sounds awesome!
> On Apr 20, 2013 10:06 AM, "Christopher Allan Webber" <
> cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> It's been a while since I've given a talk at ChiPy.  I have several
>> topics queued up that I'd love to speak about:
>>
>>  - Hy: a lisp that transforms itself into the python AST.  It's really
>>    cool, and I think it may have an extremely interesting future!
>>
>>    http://hy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>>    http://hylang.org/
>>
>>  - Should MediaGoblin be a Django application?
>>
>>    ~2 years into being developed as a "django-like" web application that
>>    does not use django and in fact uses no framework and just cobbles
>>    together a bunch of good libraries, it's time for a reflection: was
>>    that the right choice?  What historical reasons lead to this
>>    decision?  Have the reasons stayed the same?  What have we learned?
>>    What would switching look like, and why should or shouldn't we?
>>
>>  - In-project virtualenvs (lightning talk)
>>
>>    This talk advocates for an unusual method of setting up a virtualenv
>>    that I believe will make things a lot easier for your contributors.
>>
>>  - Release your secret sauce
>>
>>    This talk is more of a social/philosophical talk about trends in web
>>    development.  Releasing libraries as FOSS is the hip/cool thing to
>>    do, but why aren't we seeing as many full web applications being
>>    released in such a manner?
>>
>> I am going to suggest I give talks on #1 and also #3 since it's super
>> short.  The other ones I'm still interested in talking about in the
>> near-future, though.
>>
>> Alternately we could do an ALL CHRIS WEBBER CHIPY wait that's a terrible
>> idea let's not.
>>
>>  - cwebb
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From john at mail.npxdesigns.com  Sun Apr 21 15:30:54 2013
From: john at mail.npxdesigns.com (John Jacobsen)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 08:30:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Talk ideas for May
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References: <87r4i9c888.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87y5cdb620.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
	<CABrs+N90gbKCyDnVeYLUuNgNceWyV-+ksVSX1AJ6+XF27C2VXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD7Gx8D+K77ooEAgLdCeS4m12oUB45sOYy1QyG1-KY5An-Qe5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 for Hy as well.

John

On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Matt Foster wrote:

> +1 for Hy, sounds rad
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Adam Forsyth <adam at adamforsyth.net> wrote:
> +1 to Hy and virtualenvs! Sounds awesome!
> 
> On Apr 20, 2013 10:06 AM, "Christopher Allan Webber" <cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> It's been a while since I've given a talk at ChiPy.  I have several
> topics queued up that I'd love to speak about:
> 
>  - Hy: a lisp that transforms itself into the python AST.  It's really
>    cool, and I think it may have an extremely interesting future!
> 
>    http://hy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>    http://hylang.org/
> [...]
> _______________________

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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 21 17:24:03 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:24:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Talk ideas for May
In-Reply-To: <87y5cdb620.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
References: <87r4i9c888.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
	<87y5cdb620.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
Message-ID: <CAMqL=iizXgFCkxtWvE+o252xq-8_LZUjdb70MtfQt+_YcuiB7w@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for virtualenv and on the where is your project going might could be a
seperate discussion online that you could start online somewhere else if it
is too much for this forum.  I like the idea of Vagrant but the one I tried
to set up in Xubunto broke.


On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Christopher Allan Webber <
cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> It's been a while since I've given a talk at ChiPy.  I have several
> topics queued up that I'd love to speak about:
>
>  - Hy: a lisp that transforms itself into the python AST.  It's really
>    cool, and I think it may have an extremely interesting future!
>
>    http://hy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>    http://hylang.org/
>
>  - Should MediaGoblin be a Django application?
>
>    ~2 years into being developed as a "django-like" web application that
>    does not use django and in fact uses no framework and just cobbles
>    together a bunch of good libraries, it's time for a reflection: was
>    that the right choice?  What historical reasons lead to this
>    decision?  Have the reasons stayed the same?  What have we learned?
>    What would switching look like, and why should or shouldn't we?
>
>  - In-project virtualenvs (lightning talk)
>
>    This talk advocates for an unusual method of setting up a virtualenv
>    that I believe will make things a lot easier for your contributors.
>
>  - Release your secret sauce
>
>    This talk is more of a social/philosophical talk about trends in web
>    development.  Releasing libraries as FOSS is the hip/cool thing to
>    do, but why aren't we seeing as many full web applications being
>    released in such a manner?
>
> I am going to suggest I give talks on #1 and also #3 since it's super
> short.  The other ones I'm still interested in talking about in the
> near-future, though.
>
> Alternately we could do an ALL CHRIS WEBBER CHIPY wait that's a terrible
> idea let's not.
>
>  - cwebb
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:20:48 2013
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:20:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
Message-ID: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Friends,

Long time no chat. chipy.org is coming up for renewal, I think it's time I
hand over the name record to someone more involved in the group. Talk
amongst yourselves and determine who that should be, then ask them to work
with me to get the record handed over.

PYTHONICALLY,
Chris

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From eviljoel at linux.com  Wed Apr 24 21:39:51 2013
From: eviljoel at linux.com (eviljoel)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:39:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
In-Reply-To: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANttP87g2zi7Z=HO5a+wQPwWm2BRudzcOg2+neyrnncgNZJOkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Cezar! Cezar! Cezar!


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Friends,
>
> Long time no chat. chipy.org is coming up for renewal, I think it's time I
> hand over the name record to someone more involved in the group. Talk
> amongst yourselves and determine who that should be, then ask them to work
> with me to get the record handed over.
>
> PYTHONICALLY,
> Chris
>
> --
> @chmcavoy
> http://lonelylion.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brian at imagescape.com  Wed Apr 24 21:40:39 2013
From: brian at imagescape.com (Brian Moloney)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:40:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
In-Reply-To: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ_3hfohd5j0e--q6gypTb23xNxT6C-5cfKXEbay1jqoGm5JqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Imaginary would be happy to manage at no charge, if no other
volunteers.  We have a system in place to manage domains and do so for
the likes of djangonauts.org.

Brian

-- 
Brian J. Moloney
Managing Partner

Imaginary Landscape, LLC
Web Design | Development | Strategy
(877) 275-9144 toll free

http://imagescape.com
http://chicagodjango.com
http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Friends,
>
> Long time no chat. chipy.org is coming up for renewal, I think it's time I
> hand over the name record to someone more involved in the group. Talk
> amongst yourselves and determine who that should be, then ask them to work
> with me to get the record handed over.
>
> PYTHONICALLY,
> Chris
>
> --
> @chmcavoy
> http://lonelylion.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:42:03 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:42:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
In-Reply-To: <CANttP87g2zi7Z=HO5a+wQPwWm2BRudzcOg2+neyrnncgNZJOkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP87g2zi7Z=HO5a+wQPwWm2BRudzcOg2+neyrnncgNZJOkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqtBkevNqZ-XxUk2GY09wNwqMXOGCBsy9HpZwukgHo9Jgw@mail.gmail.com>

Do we have an organization? IIRC, I don't think we have a 501, don't know
if we have something else.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:39 PM, eviljoel <eviljoel at linux.com> wrote:

> Cezar! Cezar! Cezar!
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > Long time no chat. chipy.org is coming up for renewal, I think it's
> time I
> > hand over the name record to someone more involved in the group. Talk
> > amongst yourselves and determine who that should be, then ask them to
> work
> > with me to get the record handed over.
> >
> > PYTHONICALLY,
> > Chris
> >
> > --
> > @chmcavoy
> > http://lonelylion.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From randy7771026 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:00:22 2013
From: randy7771026 at gmail.com (Randy Baxley)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:00:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Six Corners web site migration rfb
Message-ID: <CAMqL=ijVgA=k2582Fzm3UjNU88AqyQisDd5-dHctRyUShjKgFw@mail.gmail.com>

http://imgur.com/3SM0EXZ

Hope the group can see this.
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:45:18 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:45:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
In-Reply-To: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38sUn1=rLxAPQWK8V6feue6jwfnwxdsRF-eyaaZbEY8NkA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> Long time no chat. chipy.org is coming up for renewal, I think it's time
> I hand over the name record to someone more involved in the group. Talk
> amongst yourselves and determine who that should be, then ask them to work
> with me to get the record handed over.
>
>
>
Sorry for not getting back to you earlier on this Chris. It is fine to have
Cezar handle this. Cezar please initiate the domain transfer.
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From Brian.Toby at ANL.gov  Wed Apr 24 21:25:01 2013
From: Brian.Toby at ANL.gov (Brian Toby)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:25:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
Message-ID: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>

I am curious about python development environments that people like. I tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other platform independent environments that folks recommend?

If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course on use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I would sure like to try. 

Brian 

********************************************************************
Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
Advanced Photon Source
9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426     
Argonne National Laboratory        
Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov 
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From brian at python.org  Wed Apr 24 21:52:14 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqtBkevNqZ-XxUk2GY09wNwqMXOGCBsy9HpZwukgHo9Jgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP87g2zi7Z=HO5a+wQPwWm2BRudzcOg2+neyrnncgNZJOkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqtBkevNqZ-XxUk2GY09wNwqMXOGCBsy9HpZwukgHo9Jgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqsCrU2Nzp6MT_e-QUFtdzXN1=NoRFL9CwGZbGH1VDGOQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
<emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do we have an organization? IIRC, I don't think we have a 501, don't know if
> we have something else.

This might be something the PSF could manage -- we're actually doing a
big domain consolidation right now with help from Gandi.net

Managing user group domains hasn't come up, but I could bring it up if
there's interest.

From jbouvier at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:54:34 2013
From: jbouvier at gmail.com (Jordan Bouvier)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:54:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
Message-ID: <CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:

> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>
> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course on
> use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
> would sure like to try.
>
> Brian
>
> ********************************************************************
> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
> Advanced Photon Source
> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
> Argonne National Laboratory
> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
> ********************************************************************
> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:54:41 2013
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:54:41 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqsCrU2Nzp6MT_e-QUFtdzXN1=NoRFL9CwGZbGH1VDGOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP87g2zi7Z=HO5a+wQPwWm2BRudzcOg2+neyrnncgNZJOkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqtBkevNqZ-XxUk2GY09wNwqMXOGCBsy9HpZwukgHo9Jgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqsCrU2Nzp6MT_e-QUFtdzXN1=NoRFL9CwGZbGH1VDGOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRnB2XLZ6D7_bUFvf08djrfVpb_3ETMVMP-FsjB-sCiLSy0pA@mail.gmail.com>

I guess I should have just emailed this list directly, yes, this is
somethign the PSF could do if we wanted, from talking to Brian it sounds
like ChiPy has its own org and it makes sense for that to own chipy.org

Alex


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
> <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Do we have an organization? IIRC, I don't think we have a 501, don't
> know if
> > we have something else.
>
> This might be something the PSF could manage -- we're actually doing a
> big domain consolidation right now with help from Gandi.net
>
> Managing user group domains hasn't come up, but I could bring it up if
> there's interest.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:55:38 2013
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:55:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqsCrU2Nzp6MT_e-QUFtdzXN1=NoRFL9CwGZbGH1VDGOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP87g2zi7Z=HO5a+wQPwWm2BRudzcOg2+neyrnncgNZJOkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqtBkevNqZ-XxUk2GY09wNwqMXOGCBsy9HpZwukgHo9Jgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqsCrU2Nzp6MT_e-QUFtdzXN1=NoRFL9CwGZbGH1VDGOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38t-_4UPZpexkuXTPdFV35PFohz05npmcN0=2xvgApz49A@mail.gmail.com>

I am leaving it up to Cezar.

On a side note, we are only affiliated with ourselves for now--meaning we
are incorporated as a non-profit in Illinois so we can have a bank account.
It means best meetings ever.



On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
> <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Do we have an organization? IIRC, I don't think we have a 501, don't
> know if
> > we have something else.
>
> This might be something the PSF could manage -- we're actually doing a
> big domain consolidation right now with help from Gandi.net
>
> Managing user group domains hasn't come up, but I could bring it up if
> there's interest.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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@brianray
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From jp at zavteq.com  Wed Apr 24 21:56:07 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:56:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
	<CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOL2cRSSoe782FtSpetMyQeuKC-33tNx_bPAJp6h5B9ZW97qbA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using IDEA Ultimate w/ the Python plugin, and (when it works) I'm quite
happy.  Otherwise, cmd line + textmate usually gets it done for me.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>
>> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
>> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
>> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
>> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>>
>> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course on
>> use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
>> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
>> would sure like to try.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>  ********************************************************************
>> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
>> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
>> Advanced Photon Source
>> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
>> Argonne National Laboratory
>> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
>> ********************************************************************
>> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
>> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
>> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:57:23 2013
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAOL2cRSSoe782FtSpetMyQeuKC-33tNx_bPAJp6h5B9ZW97qbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
	<CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRSSoe782FtSpetMyQeuKC-33tNx_bPAJp6h5B9ZW97qbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRnB2USKRKykC-kWA=2ypU_2dCskoYS7E1nmMiCYYMvxJKBJw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a big fan of Sublime Text (http://www.sublimetext.com/), it's basically
the best editor ever.

Alex


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

> I'm using IDEA Ultimate w/ the Python plugin, and (when it works) I'm
> quite happy.  Otherwise, cmd line + textmate usually gets it done for me.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
>>> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
>>> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
>>> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>>>
>>> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course
>>> on use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
>>> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
>>> would sure like to try.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>  ********************************************************************
>>> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
>>> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
>>> Advanced Photon Source
>>> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
>>>
>>> Argonne National Laboratory
>>> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
>>> ********************************************************************
>>> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
>>> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
>>> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:57:29 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:57:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
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The rest of our team uses PyCharm and love it. I personally use Emacs with
https://github.com/gabrielelanaro/emacs-for-python and a lot of
customization.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:

> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>
> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course on
> use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
> would sure like to try.
>
> Brian
>
> ********************************************************************
> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
> Advanced Photon Source
> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
> Argonne National Laboratory
> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
> ********************************************************************
> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:58:43 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:58:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAFRnB2USKRKykC-kWA=2ypU_2dCskoYS7E1nmMiCYYMvxJKBJw@mail.gmail.com>
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yeah - I'm vim, (and / or) sublime, and a big fan of (live in?) wing.

Regards,
- Yarko


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a big fan of Sublime Text (http://www.sublimetext.com/), it's
> basically the best editor ever.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm using IDEA Ultimate w/ the Python plugin, and (when it works) I'm
>> quite happy.  Otherwise, cmd line + textmate usually gets it done for me.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
>>>> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
>>>> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
>>>> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>>>>
>>>> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course
>>>> on use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
>>>> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
>>>> would sure like to try.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>  ********************************************************************
>>>> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
>>>> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
>>>> Advanced Photon Source
>>>> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
>>>>
>>>> Argonne National Laboratory
>>>> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
>>>> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
>>>> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JP Bader
>> Principal
>> Zavteq, Inc.
>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>> 608.692.2468
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
> to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> GPG Key fingerprint: 125F 5C67 DFE9 4084
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From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 22:00:55 2013
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
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Yeah, +1 on pycharm. It bothers me a little to rely so heavily on something
that's proprietary and written in java, but it works great. And if any
neckbeard gives you any trouble about using an IDE just ask him why he
isn't using ed.



On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>
>> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
>> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
>> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
>> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>>
>> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course on
>> use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
>> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
>> would sure like to try.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>  ********************************************************************
>> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
>> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
>> Advanced Photon Source
>> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
>> Argonne National Laboratory
>> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
>> ********************************************************************
>> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
>> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
>> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 22:01:52 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:01:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] I own chipy.org, but I don't want to
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38t-_4UPZpexkuXTPdFV35PFohz05npmcN0=2xvgApz49A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACsFw0jDfXLoRsoNgi8=LaBzUKkpCPGPn2Fyof+VSh-eRytGOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANttP87g2zi7Z=HO5a+wQPwWm2BRudzcOg2+neyrnncgNZJOkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqtBkevNqZ-XxUk2GY09wNwqMXOGCBsy9HpZwukgHo9Jgw@mail.gmail.com>
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I'd like to see either the Chipy organization hold it or for the PSF. Since
it sounds like it's something the PSF will have to go over, I'll put it
under the Org's name for now under my namecheap account.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am leaving it up to Cezar.
>
> On a side note, we are only affiliated with ourselves for now--meaning we
> are incorporated as a non-profit in Illinois so we can have a bank account.
> It means best meetings ever.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
>> <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Do we have an organization? IIRC, I don't think we have a 501, don't
>> know if
>> > we have something else.
>>
>> This might be something the PSF could manage -- we're actually doing a
>> big domain consolidation right now with help from Gandi.net
>>
>> Managing user group domains hasn't come up, but I could bring it up if
>> there's interest.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
>
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From jp at zavteq.com  Wed Apr 24 22:02:16 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:02:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
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Or less? or more? or pico?


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Matt Bone <thatmattbone at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, +1 on pycharm. It bothers me a little to rely so heavily on
> something that's proprietary and written in java, but it works great. And
> if any neckbeard gives you any trouble about using an IDE just ask him why
> he isn't using ed.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
>>> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
>>> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
>>> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>>>
>>> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course
>>> on use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
>>> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
>>> would sure like to try.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>  ********************************************************************
>>> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
>>> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
>>> Advanced Photon Source
>>> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
>>>
>>> Argonne National Laboratory
>>> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
>>> ********************************************************************
>>> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
>>> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
>>> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 22:08:56 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:08:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAOL2cRQdLefhBydakX6OdQ4h9C_QMbqvLRjGoMWSJPPqXnF=7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
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M-x butterfly


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:02 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

> Or less? or more? or pico?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Matt Bone <thatmattbone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, +1 on pycharm. It bothers me a little to rely so heavily on
>> something that's proprietary and written in java, but it works great. And
>> if any neckbeard gives you any trouble about using an IDE just ask him why
>> he isn't using ed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
>>>> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
>>>> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
>>>> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>>>>
>>>> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course
>>>> on use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
>>>> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
>>>> would sure like to try.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>  ********************************************************************
>>>> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
>>>> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
>>>> Advanced Photon Source
>>>> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
>>>>
>>>> Argonne National Laboratory
>>>> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
>>>> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
>>>> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>
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From jp at zavteq.com  Wed Apr 24 22:11:24 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:11:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqsY+Q=hagjy5yXfuSft4eN=7e2OEMYuDpR4X75M43uB+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh you!


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins <
emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:

> M-x butterfly
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:02 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>
>> Or less? or more? or pico?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Matt Bone <thatmattbone at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, +1 on pycharm. It bothers me a little to rely so heavily on
>>> something that's proprietary and written in java, but it works great. And
>>> if any neckbeard gives you any trouble about using an IDE just ask him why
>>> he isn't using ed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
>>>>> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
>>>>> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
>>>>> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course
>>>>> on use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
>>>>> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
>>>>> would sure like to try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>  ********************************************************************
>>>>> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
>>>>> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
>>>>> Advanced Photon Source
>>>>> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
>>>>>
>>>>> Argonne National Laboratory
>>>>> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
>>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>>> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield
>>>>> technology's wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil
>>>>> to fuel our cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we
>>>>> will do."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JP Bader
>> Principal
>> Zavteq, Inc.
>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>> 608.692.2468
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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From zanson at zanson.org  Wed Apr 24 22:31:16 2013
From: zanson at zanson.org (J. D. Jordan)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:31:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Talk ideas for May
In-Reply-To: <CAMqL=iizXgFCkxtWvE+o252xq-8_LZUjdb70MtfQt+_YcuiB7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87r4i9c888.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87y5cdb620.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
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+1 for virtualenv, the more love virtualenv gets the better!  Knowing about
virtualenv has saved me a lot of pain over the past few years...


On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Randy Baxley <randy7771026 at gmail.com>wrote:

> +1 for virtualenv and on the where is your project going might could be a
> seperate discussion online that you could start online somewhere else if it
> is too much for this forum.  I like the idea of Vagrant but the one I tried
> to set up in Xubunto broke.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Christopher Allan Webber <
> cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> It's been a while since I've given a talk at ChiPy.  I have several
>> topics queued up that I'd love to speak about:
>>
>>  - Hy: a lisp that transforms itself into the python AST.  It's really
>>    cool, and I think it may have an extremely interesting future!
>>
>>    http://hy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>>    http://hylang.org/
>>
>>  - Should MediaGoblin be a Django application?
>>
>>    ~2 years into being developed as a "django-like" web application that
>>    does not use django and in fact uses no framework and just cobbles
>>    together a bunch of good libraries, it's time for a reflection: was
>>    that the right choice?  What historical reasons lead to this
>>    decision?  Have the reasons stayed the same?  What have we learned?
>>    What would switching look like, and why should or shouldn't we?
>>
>>  - In-project virtualenvs (lightning talk)
>>
>>    This talk advocates for an unusual method of setting up a virtualenv
>>    that I believe will make things a lot easier for your contributors.
>>
>>  - Release your secret sauce
>>
>>    This talk is more of a social/philosophical talk about trends in web
>>    development.  Releasing libraries as FOSS is the hip/cool thing to
>>    do, but why aren't we seeing as many full web applications being
>>    released in such a manner?
>>
>> I am going to suggest I give talks on #1 and also #3 since it's super
>> short.  The other ones I'm still interested in talking about in the
>> near-future, though.
>>
>> Alternately we could do an ALL CHRIS WEBBER CHIPY wait that's a terrible
>> idea let's not.
>>
>>  - cwebb
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From ken at stox.org  Wed Apr 24 23:38:27 2013
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth Stox)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:38:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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cat - > filename is all that is really needed. 

Editors are for people who just couldn't handle punchcards.

On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 15:00 -0500, Matt Bone wrote:
> Yeah, +1 on pycharm. It bothers me a little to rely so heavily on something
> that's proprietary and written in java, but it works great. And if any
> neckbeard gives you any trouble about using an IDE just ask him why he
> isn't using ed.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
> >> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
> >> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
> >> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
> >>
> >> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course on
> >> use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
> >> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
> >> would sure like to try.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>  ********************************************************************
> >> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
> >> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
> >> Advanced Photon Source
> >> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
> >> Argonne National Laboratory
> >> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
> >> ********************************************************************
> >> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
> >> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
> >> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
> >>
> >>
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> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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> >>
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From lance at roytalman.com  Wed Apr 24 23:48:44 2013
From: lance at roytalman.com (Lance Hassan)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:48:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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Right Ken, real programmers use punchcards. Like doing crosswords with a Sharpie.

Thank You,
Lance Hassan
Roy Talman and Associates

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From: Chicago [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth Stox
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:38 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] pydev

cat - > filename is all that is really needed. 

Editors are for people who just couldn't handle punchcards.

On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 15:00 -0500, Matt Bone wrote:
> Yeah, +1 on pycharm. It bothers me a little to rely so heavily on 
> something that's proprietary and written in java, but it works great. 
> And if any neckbeard gives you any trouble about using an IDE just ask 
> him why he isn't using ed.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> I am curious about python development environments that people 
> >> like. I tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been 
> >> quite impressed with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to 
> >> master. Are there other platform independent environments that folks recommend?
> >>
> >> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short 
> >> course on use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I 
> >> don't know that I can get funds for this with sequestration 
> >> breathing down our necks, but I would sure like to try.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>  ********************************************************************
> >> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
> >> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software Advanced 
> >> Photon Source
> >> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
> >> Argonne National Laboratory
> >> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
> >> *******************************************************************
> >> * "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield 
> >> technology's wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and 
> >> the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories...  All this we can 
> >> do. All this we will do."
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >>
> >
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From Brian.Toby at ANL.gov  Thu Apr 25 00:32:06 2013
From: Brian.Toby at ANL.gov (Brian Toby)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Kenneth Stox wrote:

> cat - > filename is all that is really needed. 
> 
> Editors are for people who just couldn't handle punchcards.


In that case, pry out the backspace key from your keyboard. The IBM 029 did not have one of those. Press the wrong key, discard the card. Copy and paste between cards: sure, but only if the columns line up. 

The only thing I miss from the old kilobyte days is having a complete set of VAX manuals -- that explained *everything* along with programming examples in several languages -- instead of today's "undocumented features", but nothing could get me to go back to computing with punch cards. 

Brian

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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 25 02:39:30 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:39:30 -0500
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cat - > ...

is distracting, and will result in poor code.  You cannot consistently
track your word count, _and_ focus in the structure if your code.

Everyone knows the wary to go is:

ed filename
a
.
w

Only then can you be sure to keep to <page of code at a time (~1,500
characters).


On Apr 24, 2013 5:32 PM, "Brian Toby" <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:

> On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Kenneth Stox wrote:
>
> cat - > filename is all that is really needed.
>
> Editors are for people who just couldn't handle punchcards.
>
>
> In that case, pry out the backspace key from your keyboard. The IBM 029
> did not have one of those. Press the wrong key, discard the card. Copy and
> paste between cards: sure, but only if the columns line up.
>
> The only thing I miss from the old kilobyte days is having a complete set
> of VAX manuals -- that explained *everything* along with programming
> examples in several languages -- instead of today's "undocumented
> features", but nothing could get me to go back to computing with punch
> cards.
>
> Brian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 25 02:40:45 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:40:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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(...hate frickin' Swype...)
On Apr 24, 2013 7:39 PM, "Yarko Tymciurak" <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> cat - > ...
>
> is distracting, and will result in poor code.  You cannot consistently
> track your word count, _and_ focus in the structure if your code.
>
> Everyone knows the wary to go is:
>
> ed filename
> a
> .
> w
>
> Only then can you be sure to keep to <page of code at a time (~1,500
> characters).
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2013 5:32 PM, "Brian Toby" <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Kenneth Stox wrote:
>>
>> cat - > filename is all that is really needed.
>>
>> Editors are for people who just couldn't handle punchcards.
>>
>>
>> In that case, pry out the backspace key from your keyboard. The IBM 029
>> did not have one of those. Press the wrong key, discard the card. Copy and
>> paste between cards: sure, but only if the columns line up.
>>
>> The only thing I miss from the old kilobyte days is having a complete set
>> of VAX manuals -- that explained *everything* along with programming
>> examples in several languages -- instead of today's "undocumented
>> features", but nothing could get me to go back to computing with punch
>> cards.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
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From ken at stox.org  Thu Apr 25 04:48:17 2013
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth Stox)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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The 029 did not have a backspace, the 129 did, though.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/osr/6703468621/

Trying to code python on one of these would have been a "challenge".

Punch cards still have one attribute that is desirable in some
applications, even today. In a controlled environment, they can be
stored virtually indefinitely. Optical media is only good for 5 years or
so, and magnetic media up to 20 years.

On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 17:32 -0500, Brian Toby wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Kenneth Stox wrote:
> 
> > cat - > filename is all that is really needed. 
> > 
> > Editors are for people who just couldn't handle punchcards.
> 
> 
> In that case, pry out the backspace key from your keyboard. The IBM 029 did not have one of those. Press the wrong key, discard the card. Copy and paste between cards: sure, but only if the columns line up. 
> 
> The only thing I miss from the old kilobyte days is having a complete set of VAX manuals -- that explained *everything* along with programming examples in several languages -- instead of today's "undocumented features", but nothing could get me to go back to computing with punch cards. 
> 
> Brian
> 
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Thu Apr 25 06:56:47 2013
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:56:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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+1 Sublime.  If you need an IDE, your code's too complex.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a big fan of Sublime Text (http://www.sublimetext.com/), it's
> basically the best editor ever.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm using IDEA Ultimate w/ the Python plugin, and (when it works) I'm
>> quite happy.  Otherwise, cmd line + textmate usually gets it done for me.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jordan Bouvier <jbouvier at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using PyCharm lately and have been pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am curious about python development environments that people like. I
>>>> tend to do most of my editing in emacs, but I have been quite impressed
>>>> with Eclipse/pydev -- but I am finding it hard to master. Are there other
>>>> platform independent environments that folks recommend?
>>>>
>>>> If there is anyone out there who is prepared to present a short course
>>>> on use of pydev, I'd love to hear from them (off list). I don't know that I
>>>> can get funds for this with sequestration breathing down our necks, but I
>>>> would sure like to try.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>  ********************************************************************
>>>> Brian H. Toby, Ph.D.                            office: 630-252-5488
>>>> Senior Physicist/Section Head for Scientific Software
>>>> Advanced Photon Source
>>>> 9700 S. Cass Ave, Bldg. 401/B4192            work cell: 630-327-8426
>>>>
>>>> Argonne National Laboratory
>>>> Argonne, IL 60439-4856         e-mail: brian dot toby at anl dot gov
>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>> "We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's
>>>> wonders... We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our
>>>> cars and run our factories...  All this we can do. All this we will do."
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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From brian at python.org  Thu Apr 25 07:00:05 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 Sublime.  If you need an IDE, your code's too complex.

Nah.

From Brian.Toby at ANL.gov  Thu Apr 25 15:16:26 2013
From: Brian.Toby at ANL.gov (Brian Toby)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:16:26 -0500
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On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:48 PM, Kenneth Stox wrote:

> Punch cards still have one attribute that is desirable in some
> applications, even today. In a controlled environment, they can be
> stored virtually indefinitely. Optical media is only good for 5 years or
> so, and magnetic media up to 20 years.


Well, yes, but given the ubiquity of punch card readers, one now needs to retrieve that storage byte-by-byte. 

BTW, I still remember the EBCDIC encoding sequence for letters and numbers, so I can help you read from punches if the printed letters at the top of the card have faded. 

Brian
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Apr 25 15:31:49 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:31:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <B5880685-31A7-4811-B13C-7EF73203D4EF@ANL.gov>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
	<CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
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> Well, yes, but given the ubiquity of punch card readers, one now needs to
> retrieve that storage byte-by-byte.

I'll bet there's an app for that. :-)

Skip

From jordanb at hafd.org  Thu Apr 25 18:55:15 2013
From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:55:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <1366858097.3819.13.camel@cerebrus>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
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On 04/24/2013 09:48 PM, Kenneth Stox wrote:

>  Punch cards still have one attribute that is desirable in some
>  applications, even today. In a controlled environment, they can be
>  stored virtually indefinitely. Optical media is only good for 5 years or
>  so, and magnetic media up to 20 years.

This is why I scratch all my important data into stone tablets.



From zanson at zanson.org  Thu Apr 25 19:14:15 2013
From: zanson at zanson.org (J. D. Jordan)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <51795FF3.7080900@hafd.org>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
	<CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366839507.3819.4.camel@cerebrus>
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Message-ID: <CAEdtD8ARJNi34vWsYJPFRbJiCwwxVQdTUyvfFdwMs_saULTAQA@mail.gmail.com>

I've been messing with PyCharms lately, if your machine is fast enough, it
is nice.  Sublime is nice as well. A friend just pointed me to
https://github.com/tkf/emacs-jedi today, which I plan to try the next time
I'm in an emacs mood.

-- 
-J. D. Jordan
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Figure out this "Big Data" stuff!
Cassandra Summit 2013, June 11-12, San Francisco, CA
http://www.datastax.com/company/news-and-events/events/cassandrasummit2013
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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Apr 25 19:14:16 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:14:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rZ0gxnpJYyctsrB-cVrhkSh01iMPAGdYuJrQPgbiko-jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
	<CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:12 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Jordan Bettis <jordanb at hafd.org> wrote:
>
>> On 04/24/2013 09:48 PM, Kenneth Stox wrote:
>>
>>   Punch cards still have one attribute that is desirable in some
>>>  applications, even today. In a controlled environment, they can be
>>>  stored virtually indefinitely. Optical media is only good for 5 years or
>>>  so, and magnetic media up to 20 years.
>>>
>>
>> This is why I scratch all my important data into stone tablets
>>
>
> this would be a nice art project. it would probably be nicer to use a cnc
> device to do the scratching for you. or maybe a laser to etch it on to
> metal. if it's cool looking you have a art project to hang on the wall.
>

oh, and companion panels would be programs that do visual analysis to be
able to read and interpret patterns.

the camera file formats probably change, but people probably will have
technology to take new pictures. Taking a a picture of the art and running
it through a program would be cool.


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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Apr 25 19:12:07 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <51795FF3.7080900@hafd.org>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
	<CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366839507.3819.4.camel@cerebrus>
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Jordan Bettis <jordanb at hafd.org> wrote:

> On 04/24/2013 09:48 PM, Kenneth Stox wrote:
>
>   Punch cards still have one attribute that is desirable in some
>>  applications, even today. In a controlled environment, they can be
>>  stored virtually indefinitely. Optical media is only good for 5 years or
>>  so, and magnetic media up to 20 years.
>>
>
> This is why I scratch all my important data into stone tablets
>

this would be a nice art project. it would probably be nicer to use a cnc
device to do the scratching for you. or maybe a laser to etch it on to
metal. if it's cool looking you have a art project to hang on the wall.


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From ken at stox.org  Fri Apr 26 23:02:45 2013
From: ken at stox.org (Ken Stox)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:02:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAEdtD8ARJNi34vWsYJPFRbJiCwwxVQdTUyvfFdwMs_saULTAQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
	<CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1367010165.23962.1.camel@daedelus.stox.org>


For a real nice setup with Emacs: 

http://caisah.info/emacs-for-python/




-----Original Message-----
From: J. D. Jordan <zanson at zanson.org>
Reply-to: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
Subject: Re: [Chicago] pydev
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:14:15 -0500

I've been messing with PyCharms lately, if your machine is fast enough,
it is nice.  Sublime is nice as well. A friend just pointed me
to https://github.com/tkf/emacs-jedi today, which I plan to try the next
time I'm in an emacs mood.


-- 

-J. D. Jordan
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Figure out this "Big Data" stuff!
Cassandra Summit 2013, June 11-12, San Francisco, CA
http://www.datastax.com/company/news-and-events/events/cassandrasummit2013
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Fri Apr 26 23:11:16 2013
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam "Cezar" Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:11:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <1367010165.23962.1.camel@daedelus.stox.org>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
	<CANQ5riyD_9URAPR8T5HrW8yfbBWeUP+mS_7+P=sUJEwzXFT0-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366839507.3819.4.camel@cerebrus>
	<36FE6C57-30C6-4C14-9A1C-FEF1EA13AD60@ANL.gov>
	<1366858097.3819.13.camel@cerebrus> <51795FF3.7080900@hafd.org>
	<CAEdtD8ARJNi34vWsYJPFRbJiCwwxVQdTUyvfFdwMs_saULTAQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1367010165.23962.1.camel@daedelus.stox.org>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQquJ_-sX2a=duau9gPJGxRs5a-anMsazJXbTYvunVt=qkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Also a whole load of information at
http://emacswiki.org/emacs/PythonProgrammingInEmacs


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Ken Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:

>
> For a real nice setup with Emacs:
>
> http://caisah.info/emacs-for-python/
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. D. Jordan <zanson at zanson.org>
> Reply-to: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] pydev
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:14:15 -0500
>
> I've been messing with PyCharms lately, if your machine is fast enough,
> it is nice.  Sublime is nice as well. A friend just pointed me
> to https://github.com/tkf/emacs-jedi today, which I plan to try the next
> time I'm in an emacs mood.
>
>
> --
>
> -J. D. Jordan
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Figure out this "Big Data" stuff!
> Cassandra Summit 2013, June 11-12, San Francisco, CA
> http://www.datastax.com/company/news-and-events/events/cassandrasummit2013
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From samir at esamir.com  Sun Apr 28 04:21:00 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:21:00 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQquJ_-sX2a=duau9gPJGxRs5a-anMsazJXbTYvunVt=qkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
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	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<36FE6C57-30C6-4C14-9A1C-FEF1EA13AD60@ANL.gov>
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	<CAEdtD8ARJNi34vWsYJPFRbJiCwwxVQdTUyvfFdwMs_saULTAQA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm a big fan of PyCharm..  actually I should rephrase that.. I'm a
big fan of Intellij, I do wish their products weren't paid....and more
free...but it's the first piece of software that I've bought in
years..

(Linux user, here.. most software I tend to use is pretty much free ).

1.  Git Integration is awesome.
2.  Diffing, history navigation, ability to autoformat xml, json,
etc.. is pretty slick.
3.  Virtualenv support allowing you to create a per project
environment is pretty cool.  It has some intelligence regarding
django, though I haven't used it that much.

Failing that.. I like vim.  emacs or vim.. I usually don't care enough
or use it often enough to get the auto completion working, but I find
pycharm + vim bindings to be my ideal environment.

Intellj also has an IDE for java, and rubymine for rails all of which
I've heard pretty awesome praises on from various folks.


I've used Eclipse as well..but it just feels to fat, too bloated...and
god help you if you install too many plugins.

just my 2 cents.




On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Adam "Cezar" Jenkins
<emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also a whole load of information at
> http://emacswiki.org/emacs/PythonProgrammingInEmacs
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Ken Stox <ken at stox.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> For a real nice setup with Emacs:
>>
>> http://caisah.info/emacs-for-python/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J. D. Jordan <zanson at zanson.org>
>> Reply-to: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
>> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Chicago] pydev
>> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:14:15 -0500
>>
>> I've been messing with PyCharms lately, if your machine is fast enough,
>> it is nice.  Sublime is nice as well. A friend just pointed me
>> to https://github.com/tkf/emacs-jedi today, which I plan to try the next
>> time I'm in an emacs mood.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -J. D. Jordan
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Figure out this "Big Data" stuff!
>> Cassandra Summit 2013, June 11-12, San Francisco, CA
>> http://www.datastax.com/company/news-and-events/events/cassandrasummit2013
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.

From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 17:35:45 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ9Ct+3ry4PQ=Q7_YBqv7CQxpMR5PkLc_B0nQmrO_439UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
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	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366839507.3819.4.camel@cerebrus>
	<36FE6C57-30C6-4C14-9A1C-FEF1EA13AD60@ANL.gov>
	<1366858097.3819.13.camel@cerebrus> <51795FF3.7080900@hafd.org>
	<CAEdtD8ARJNi34vWsYJPFRbJiCwwxVQdTUyvfFdwMs_saULTAQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1367010165.23962.1.camel@daedelus.stox.org>
	<CAN6vQquJ_-sX2a=duau9gPJGxRs5a-anMsazJXbTYvunVt=qkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ9Ct+3ry4PQ=Q7_YBqv7CQxpMR5PkLc_B0nQmrO_439UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEwvNMh6t6OTwMjC_svGJYf_+joAoqtsA-s9-9t4QmxGzQw0Kg@mail.gmail.com>

You said you are "finding it hard to master". Why so? You mean keyboard
shortcuts, or some specific IDE-type feature?

I've used both PyDev/Eclipse and PyCharm. Their feature set is very, very
similar. Ironically I bought a PyCharm license about a year ago but haven't
used it much. Lately I've just been editing stuff in Sublime because of
multiple cursors. (Actually my main environment is the IPython notebook.)

I'm considering jumping back to an IDE to do a little TDD. Both PyDev and
PyCharm have nice features that allow you to create a test, then from
inside your unittest code, add methods, properties, etc. to your actual
code. This is hard to explain, but you can see it in action here:
http://tv.jetbrains.net/videocontent/getting-started-with-pycharm


A lot of people don't like the weight of Eclipse. Fabio, the creator of
PyDev, is working to build LiClipse, a light weight, sexy (i.e. dark)
version of Eclipse. It's currently in crowd-funding status with 16 days
remaining and a couple hundred bucks left to go.

You can read more about LiClipse here:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pydev-and-liclipse-for-a-fast-sexy-and-dark-eclipse

Fabio has done a great deal of work maintaining PyDev, and it's a huge
asset for the community; especially when beginners can from all the
benefits an IDE offers like completion, checks, etc.


-- 
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    213.675.5294
    wirth.jason at gmail.com
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From brian at python.org  Sun Apr 28 22:00:55 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ9Ct+3ry4PQ=Q7_YBqv7CQxpMR5PkLc_B0nQmrO_439UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBA4096-9758-4B95-9868-511D79141E52@ANL.gov>
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	<CAG0VBHt8YVqh8-XoOhfFMBfTgnt6_t-Gw4Sg7jO8Q=vLyeaGGg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com> wrote:
> I'm a big fan of PyCharm..  actually I should rephrase that.. I'm a
> big fan of Intellij, I do wish their products weren't paid....and more
> free...but it's the first piece of software that I've bought in
> years..
>
> (Linux user, here.. most software I tend to use is pretty much free ).

Do you wish they weren't paid because they're not worth it, or because
you want it for $0 because you're used to $0? For something you're
going to use for at least 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 250 days a
year, the cost for just about any IDE ends up being so small for
something you use so much. It's especially cheap considering it's
something that helps you create value (for any definition of that
word) for whoever you're writing code for.

From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 07:32:25 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:32:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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Well, and another definition off value us if your own time - opportunity
cost.

What us your time worth, and what does some tool save you in time?  What us
that worth on an ongoing basis?

I pay my $95 annual maint for wingIDE because I figure it saves me (much)
more than an hour of time over the year, i.e. pays for itself nicely (and
the responsiveness of their support points to reliable vendor relationship).

Whatever your favorite, I suppose you will measure this relative benefit
over some ?free? baseline - fair enough.
 On Apr 28, 2013 3:01 PM, "Brian Curtin" <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com> wrote:
> > I'm a big fan of PyCharm..  actually I should rephrase that.. I'm a
> > big fan of Intellij, I do wish their products weren't paid....and more
> > free...but it's the first piece of software that I've bought in
> > years..
> >
> > (Linux user, here.. most software I tend to use is pretty much free ).
>
> Do you wish they weren't paid because they're not worth it, or because
> you want it for $0 because you're used to $0? For something you're
> going to use for at least 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 250 days a
> year, the cost for just about any IDE ends up being so small for
> something you use so much. It's especially cheap considering it's
> something that helps you create value (for any definition of that
> word) for whoever you're writing code for.
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 19:00:41 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:00:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
Message-ID: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>

The Coursera Machine Learning class taught by Andrew Ng at Stanford (
https://www.coursera.org/course/ml) just started (4/22) and I'm interested
if anyone wants to work through it with me. I've taken this course before
but only got about half way through it before getting busy and "dropping
out."


MOOCs are great, but they lack the community needed to have a successful
learning experience. More importantly, learning happens by doing--not by
watching videos--whether it's teaching someone else the material, working
through problems with a partner, or adapting the problems to be relevant
for your projects & internests.


One of the downsides about the course is that it uses Octave, not Python.
Despite that we could easily code the problems in Octave, then port them to
Python & Numpy or use equivalent functions in Scikts.learn.


So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going through
it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?


-- 
Jason Wirth
    213.675.5294
    wirth.jason at gmail.com
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From vikasruhil06 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 14:00:32 2013
From: vikasruhil06 at gmail.com (Vikas Ruhil)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:30:32 +0530
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
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@Jason ,Take me in.I am also interested about python machine learning.


Vikash Singh Ruhil
+91 8285305679
vikasruhil06 at gmail.com


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Coursera Machine Learning class taught by Andrew Ng at Stanford (
> https://www.coursera.org/course/ml) just started (4/22) and I'm
> interested if anyone wants to work through it with me. I've taken this
> course before but only got about half way through it before getting busy
> and "dropping out."
>
>
> MOOCs are great, but they lack the community needed to have a successful
> learning experience. More importantly, learning happens by doing--not by
> watching videos--whether it's teaching someone else the material, working
> through problems with a partner, or adapting the problems to be relevant
> for your projects & internests.
>
>
> One of the downsides about the course is that it uses Octave, not Python.
> Despite that we could easily code the problems in Octave, then port them to
> Python & Numpy or use equivalent functions in Scikts.learn.
>
>
> So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going through
> it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>
>
> --
> Jason Wirth
>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From namusoke at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 29 16:51:20 2013
From: namusoke at hotmail.com (Valentina Kibuyaga)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:51:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAOM8CiqVnAbS=NFcynXN4Z_kiNt9MZ7bLJu86ydpoE231svg5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAOM8CiqVnAbS=NFcynXN4Z_kiNt9MZ7bLJu86ydpoE231svg5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY171-W1145CCBE237A334FE65515FCAB20@phx.gbl>

Good Morning All:

Valentina Kibuyaga and I am also taking the course.  I would love to be involved in a group study!

Jason, thanks for offering.  I can meet anywhere downtown, and weekends work best for me.  

thank you!

From: vikasruhil06 at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:30:32 +0530
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.

@Jason ,Take me in.I am also interested about python machine learning.


Vikash Singh Ruhil
+91 8285305679
vikasruhil06 at gmail.com



On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:


The Coursera Machine Learning class taught by Andrew Ng at Stanford (https://www.coursera.org/course/ml) just started (4/22) and I'm interested if anyone wants to work through it with me. I've taken this course before but only got about half way through it before getting busy and "dropping out."






MOOCs are great, but they lack the community needed to have a successful learning experience. More importantly, learning happens by doing--not by watching videos--whether it's teaching someone else the material, working through problems with a partner, or adapting the problems to be relevant for your projects & internests.  






One of the downsides about the course is that it uses Octave, not Python. Despite that we could easily code the problems in Octave, then port them to Python & Numpy or use equivalent functions in Scikts.learn. 






So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going through it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?




-- 

Jason Wirth

    213.675.5294

    wirth.jason at gmail.com


_______________________________________________

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From pkpp1233 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 17:13:28 2013
From: pkpp1233 at gmail.com (Paul Katsen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:13:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACFjNe6g0M0-sHkoXtYcoD_BEvpEqDc6c28P5quBwdY5_s1ROg@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be interested. Especially the python part.

-Paul
On Apr 29, 2013 6:55 AM, "Jason Wirth" <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Coursera Machine Learning class taught by Andrew Ng at Stanford (
> https://www.coursera.org/course/ml) just started (4/22) and I'm
> interested if anyone wants to work through it with me. I've taken this
> course before but only got about half way through it before getting busy
> and "dropping out."
>
>
> MOOCs are great, but they lack the community needed to have a successful
> learning experience. More importantly, learning happens by doing--not by
> watching videos--whether it's teaching someone else the material, working
> through problems with a partner, or adapting the problems to be relevant
> for your projects & internests.
>
>
> One of the downsides about the course is that it uses Octave, not Python.
> Despite that we could easily code the problems in Octave, then port them to
> Python & Numpy or use equivalent functions in Scikts.learn.
>
>
> So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going through
> it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>
>
> --
> Jason Wirth
>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 17:18:25 2013
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CACFjNe6g0M0-sHkoXtYcoD_BEvpEqDc6c28P5quBwdY5_s1ROg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACFjNe6g0M0-sHkoXtYcoD_BEvpEqDc6c28P5quBwdY5_s1ROg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG0VBHsz+_SFUJ46jGhRRmTA4hMvvg9MFrf7jhdX730CMj_dMg@mail.gmail.com>

I went through this course the first time he did it before coursera was
born. I can't recommend it enough. It was a good time and I learned a ton.
Good luck!


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Paul Katsen <pkpp1233 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be interested. Especially the python part.
>
> -Paul
> On Apr 29, 2013 6:55 AM, "Jason Wirth" <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Coursera Machine Learning class taught by Andrew Ng at Stanford (
>> https://www.coursera.org/course/ml) just started (4/22) and I'm
>> interested if anyone wants to work through it with me. I've taken this
>> course before but only got about half way through it before getting busy
>> and "dropping out."
>>
>>
>> MOOCs are great, but they lack the community needed to have a successful
>> learning experience. More importantly, learning happens by doing--not by
>> watching videos--whether it's teaching someone else the material, working
>> through problems with a partner, or adapting the problems to be relevant
>> for your projects & internests.
>>
>>
>> One of the downsides about the course is that it uses Octave, not Python.
>> Despite that we could easily code the problems in Octave, then port them to
>> Python & Numpy or use equivalent functions in Scikts.learn.
>>
>>
>> So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
>> through it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jason Wirth
>>     213.675.5294
>>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
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From namusoke at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 29 17:34:29 2013
From: namusoke at hotmail.com (Valentina Kibuyaga)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:34:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAG0VBHsz+_SFUJ46jGhRRmTA4hMvvg9MFrf7jhdX730CMj_dMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <BAY171-W43AAFC13286A5092E43705CAB20@phx.gbl>

Matt:
what is the best mode of learning this material?  And, how are you using the knowledge you acquired?  Please specify how the knowledge has helped your career in applying it?

thanks!

Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:18:25 -0500
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.

I went through this course the first time he did it before coursera was born. I can't recommend it enough. It was a good time and I learned a ton. Good luck!



On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Paul Katsen <pkpp1233 at gmail.com> wrote:

I'd be interested. Especially the python part.
-Paul
On Apr 29, 2013 6:55 AM, "Jason Wirth" <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:


The Coursera Machine Learning class taught by Andrew Ng at Stanford (https://www.coursera.org/course/ml) just started (4/22) and I'm interested if anyone wants to work through it with me. I've taken this course before but only got about half way through it before getting busy and "dropping out."






MOOCs are great, but they lack the community needed to have a successful learning experience. More importantly, learning happens by doing--not by watching videos--whether it's teaching someone else the material, working through problems with a partner, or adapting the problems to be relevant for your projects & internests.  






One of the downsides about the course is that it uses Octave, not Python. Despite that we could easily code the problems in Octave, then port them to Python & Numpy or use equivalent functions in Scikts.learn. 






So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going through it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?


-- 

Jason Wirth

    213.675.5294

    wirth.jason at gmail.com


_______________________________________________

Chicago mailing list

Chicago at python.org

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago




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From jordanb at hafd.org  Mon Apr 29 17:41:42 2013
From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:41:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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On 04/29/2013 12:32 AM, Yarko Tymciurak wrote:

 > Well, and another definition off value us if your own time - 
opportunity cost.
 > What us your time worth, and what does some tool save you in time?
 > What us that worth on an ongoing basis?

 > I pay my $95 annual maint for wingIDE because I figure it saves me (much)
 > more than an hour of time over the year, i.e. pays for itself nicely 
(and the
 > responsiveness of their support points to reliable vendor relationship).

 >Whatever your favorite, I suppose you will measure this relative benefit
 > over some ?free? baseline - fair enough.

I'm curious what kind of vendor relationship $95 gets you. That's worth, 
what?
an hour of engineering time? Not including overhead.

I've been using emacs my entire career. It does what I need it to do and 
when
it doesn't, I can modify it to do that. Usually modifying it just means 
installing
a script someone else has written because of the brilliantly rich developer
community using emacs.

In that time I've seen proprietary developer users bounce from editor to 
editor
as their vendor looses interest: Borland, Pico, textmate, etc.

For me, making sure such an important piece of software is a FLOSS project
with a good community behind it is a smart investment. I can count on
the Emacs community not going out of business or requiring some sort
of forced "upgrade" something that doesn't work for me.

Now if only there was a way I could stop Lenovo ruining the Thinkpad.

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Apr 29 17:50:52 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5UxRwEyBTCc6AwhEhC9-BpuApTXK21Ls3OhYCPAyE9+jDQ@mail.gmail.com>

> So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going through
> it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?

I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...

Skip

From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 18:04:19 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:04:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Jordan Bettis <jordanb at hafd.org> wrote:

> On 04/29/2013 12:32 AM, Yarko Tymciurak wrote:
>
> > Well, and another definition off value us if your own time - opportunity
> cost.
> > What us your time worth, and what does some tool save you in time?
> > What us that worth on an ongoing basis?
>
> > I pay my $95 annual maint for wingIDE because I figure it saves me (much)
> > more than an hour of time over the year, i.e. pays for itself nicely
> (and the
> > responsiveness of their support points to reliable vendor relationship).
>
> >Whatever your favorite, I suppose you will measure this relative benefit
> > over some ?free? baseline - fair enough.
>
> I'm curious what kind of vendor relationship $95 gets you. That's worth,
> what?
> an hour of engineering time? Not including overhead.
>

The tool (I think) saves more than an hour (possibly per day - but that's
another story).
That when something important is hidden / doesn't work as I might expect,
that's where the
vendor relationship factors in (in fact, w/ wing you can have the source
tree by asking, under NDA).


>
> I've been using emacs my entire career. It does what I need it to do and
> when
> it doesn't, I can modify it to do that. Usually modifying it just means
> installing
> a script someone else has written because of the brilliantly rich developer
> community using emacs.
>
>
I (after some years on building unix) learned that the only editor to count
on was the one installed everywhere,
so that (for me, for our work context) meant vi.   I use whatever editor I
want in wing (I'm not locked into it's edit-flow,
although it does offer vi and emacs modes for the "quick-n-dirty").   But
it's mostly a unified debugging / execution monitoring / testing
setup, and for that I love it.  And that makes it worth it for me.


> In that time I've seen proprietary developer users bounce from editor to
> editor
> as their vendor looses interest: Borland, Pico, textmate, etc.
>
> For me, making sure such an important piece of software is a FLOSS project
> with a good community behind it is a smart investment. I can count on
> the Emacs community not going out of business or requiring some sort
> of forced "upgrade" something that doesn't work for me.
>

Sure, maybe.   I tried what was there for Python, and picked wing some
years ago for _my_ work style,
and stayed with it (and continue to).   I know others who have a reaction
similar to yours for PyCharm (too
many choices / too much investment into doing it like the tool wants), and
I had a similar reaction to it too.

So it (for me) didn't earn the seal of my $$.

But the process (how each person does this) I think is essentially similar
- will it enhance how I tend to work,
and make me go easier / quicker / faster?   And if I get stuck, will they
help me in deadlines-timeframes?

YMWV, of course.


>
> Now if only there was a way I could stop Lenovo ruining the Thinkpad.


Heh.   Haven't you "heard"?  The laptop is dead! ;-)


>
> ______________________________**_________________
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 18:07:04 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UxRwEyBTCc6AwhEhC9-BpuApTXK21Ls3OhYCPAyE9+jDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit thin,
so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies applies
hear also).

How do you plan to do this?
Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?

Regards,
- Yarko


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
> through
> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>
> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From Brian.Toby at ANL.gov  Mon Apr 29 18:36:51 2013
From: Brian.Toby at ANL.gov (Brian Toby)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:36:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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On Apr 28, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Jason Wirth wrote:

> You said you are "finding it hard to master". Why so? You mean keyboard shortcuts, or some specific IDE-type feature?

I find that when I start up Eclipse, it is usually to handle something that I would not do in Emacs (running the debugging, browsing through 20+ files in a package,...), but then I find that I can't find the stupid search and replace (someone just showed me that Eclipse can handle method/variable renaming really well -- but how would I find that out?). Often I find myself switching over to emacs because I know how to do something there, which must be in Eclipse, but I just don't know what its called or how to find it. Last time I used Eclipse, I found that I was unable to launch the debugger or get my files into a new project. I am used to mastering computer tools without much effort, so finding myself clueless is just not appealing. 

Eclipse is big, powerful and at least to me somewhat bewildering. Perhaps if I set aside a few days to just play with it and/or found some guide material to read, I might do better with it, but I have not found something like that Python programmers. This might be a good reason to prefer something commercial. I don't mind paying for value (but not for Redmond) and/or for good support and documentation, but there is something one gives up knowing that the source code for product that matters is locked up in a vault and that product could go the way of Digital. 

I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed on this thread. I have learned a lot and had some fun. 

Brian
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Apr 29 19:46:04 2013
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:46:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:

>
> On Apr 28, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Jason Wirth wrote:
>
> You said you are "finding it hard to master". Why so? You mean keyboard
> shortcuts, or some specific IDE-type feature?
>
>
> I find that when I start up Eclipse, it is usually to handle something
> that I would not do in Emacs (running the debugging, browsing through 20+
> files in a package,...), but then I find that I can't find the stupid
> search and replace (someone just showed me that Eclipse can handle
> method/variable renaming really well -- but how would I find that out?).
> Often I find myself switching over to emacs because I know how to do
> something there, which must be in Eclipse, but I just don't know what its
> called or how to find it. Last time I used Eclipse, I found that I was
> unable to launch the debugger or get my files into a new project. I am used
> to mastering computer tools without much effort, so finding myself clueless
> is just not appealing.
>







> Eclipse is big, powerful and at least to me somewhat bewildering. Perhaps
> if I set aside a few days to just play with it and/or found some guide
> material to read, I might do better with it, but I have not found something
> like that Python programmers. This might be a good reason to prefer
>

It might help to make up a list of features that people typically enjoy in
IDEs. from that you or someone could make a quickref for how you accomplish
those things in Eclipse or how you can learn to do them in emacs or any
other editor.

I've been trying to soup up vim to have the same features I like from
intelliJ and Eclipse.

anyway, here is a gist I started with an outline of ideas. are those the
kinds of things you want to know how to do?

https://gist.github.com/codersquid/5483312

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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 20:01:33 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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I'd say that's a pretty good list, Sheila...

... the only thing I like / add would be:

 - be able to modify values in execution context and continue (i.e. have a
python shell with current context);


Would be curious to see how far you've gotten w/ vi in this list (I tried
once, and finally gave up);

Any pdb/winpdb, idle afficianados out there who could possibly add to
Sheila's list?


Regards,
- Yarko


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 12:46 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Brian Toby <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Jason Wirth wrote:
>>
>> You said you are "finding it hard to master". Why so? You mean keyboard
>> shortcuts, or some specific IDE-type feature?
>>
>>
>> I find that when I start up Eclipse, it is usually to handle something
>> that I would not do in Emacs (running the debugging, browsing through 20+
>> files in a package,...), but then I find that I can't find the stupid
>> search and replace (someone just showed me that Eclipse can handle
>> method/variable renaming really well -- but how would I find that out?).
>> Often I find myself switching over to emacs because I know how to do
>> something there, which must be in Eclipse, but I just don't know what its
>> called or how to find it. Last time I used Eclipse, I found that I was
>> unable to launch the debugger or get my files into a new project. I am used
>> to mastering computer tools without much effort, so finding myself clueless
>> is just not appealing.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Eclipse is big, powerful and at least to me somewhat bewildering. Perhaps
>> if I set aside a few days to just play with it and/or found some guide
>> material to read, I might do better with it, but I have not found something
>> like that Python programmers. This might be a good reason to prefer
>>
>
> It might help to make up a list of features that people typically enjoy in
> IDEs. from that you or someone could make a quickref for how you accomplish
> those things in Eclipse or how you can learn to do them in emacs or any
> other editor.
>
> I've been trying to soup up vim to have the same features I like from
> intelliJ and Eclipse.
>
> anyway, here is a gist I started with an outline of ideas. are those the
> kinds of things you want to know how to do?
>
> https://gist.github.com/codersquid/5483312
>
> --
> sheila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pydev
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would be curious to see how far you've gotten w/ vi in this list (I tried
> once, and finally gave up);
>

I have some of these with vim and plugins. I don't often use vi. I figured
I'd add a gist later for what I've found for vim.



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From jp at zavteq.com  Mon Apr 29 21:18:47 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:18:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+Z=PLj5EJ_030YyRO68LJxwTOnAwR4G9fsUmDqpwC=wHiH9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement rule,
I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.

Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for
getting together once maybe every 2 weeks?


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit thin,
> so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies applies
> hear also).
>
> How do you plan to do this?
> Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?
>
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
>> through
>> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>>
>> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
>> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>>
>> Skip
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From brian at imagescape.com  Mon Apr 29 22:31:04 2013
From: brian at imagescape.com (Brian Moloney)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:31:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Djangonauts meetup this Thursday in the Loop
Message-ID: <CAJ_3hfrTFwfwf4Ame_gTXLK8gVFDq+nefRt0r16pncOn_MEKdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Next Meetup
May 2, 2013 @ 6:30pm - eShots, Inc. at 233 N. Michigan Ave., Suite 420

    Jack Shedd: API strategies and frameworks (piston vs. tasty-pie
vs. rest vs. views)
    George Kappel: django-rest-framework and angularjs lightening talk
    Joe Jasinski: upgrading Django
    Brian Moloney: brief update on DjangoCon US 2013

RSVP (Facebook preferred with alternative offered for non-Facebookers):

    https://www.facebook.com/events/123445164520056/
    http://www.chicagodjango.com and use the Contact Us form on the homepage.

Hope to see you there!

Brian

-- 
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Managing Partner

Imaginary Landscape, LLC
Web Design | Development | Strategy
(877) 275-9144 toll free

http://imagescape.com
http://chicagodjango.com
http://twitter.com/Brian_Moloney

From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 22:37:21 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
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Ok - I've made a google-plus community (rather than a google group) -
"Machine Learning Chicago".

Its public, open to anyone to join.

Also note there is a hefty chicago ML study group already -
http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Machine-Learning-Study-Group/
... as well as a uchicago program - http://ml.cs.uchicago.edu/ ... and more.





Regards,
- Yarko


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

> I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement rule,
> I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.
>
> Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for
> getting together once maybe every 2 weeks?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit thin,
>> so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies applies
>> hear also).
>>
>> How do you plan to do this?
>> Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?
>>
>> Regards,
>> - Yarko
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
>>> through
>>> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>>>
>>> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
>>> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>>>
>>> Skip
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>
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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Apr 29 22:46:42 2013
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UxRwEyBTCc6AwhEhC9-BpuApTXK21Ls3OhYCPAyE9+jDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLj5EJ_030YyRO68LJxwTOnAwR4G9fsUmDqpwC=wHiH9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRSv3Qz6YpqC8JYNxSt+SM=DUB_dr6tKRK9kjLhHpUM8_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5UxJqaYsFYv4SiM-Q9Nkzm=B8H5YY6-Aj08ije_yASYyYg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok - I've made a google-plus community (rather than a google group) -
> "Machine Learning Chicago".

Thanks.  How do I find it?  Searching for that term turns up nothing.

Skip

From namusoke at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 29 22:46:34 2013
From: namusoke at hotmail.com (Valentina Kibuyaga)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CANc-5UxRwEyBTCc6AwhEhC9-BpuApTXK21Ls3OhYCPAyE9+jDQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAJ+Z=PLj5EJ_030YyRO68LJxwTOnAwR4G9fsUmDqpwC=wHiH9Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAOL2cRSv3Qz6YpqC8JYNxSt+SM=DUB_dr6tKRK9kjLhHpUM8_Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY171-W30392465BB7E4CE58FD4E3CAB20@phx.gbl>

Thanks for sharing the resources!

Valentina Kibuyaga

Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:37:21 -0500
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.

Ok - I've made a google-plus community (rather than a google group) - "Machine Learning Chicago".
Its public, open to anyone to join.
Also note there is a hefty chicago ML study group already - http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Machine-Learning-Study-Group/
... as well as a uchicago program - http://ml.cs.uchicago.edu/ ... and more.




Regards,
- Yarko



On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement rule, I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.
Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for getting together once maybe every 2 weeks? 



On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:


Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit thin, so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies applies hear also).


How do you plan to do this?
Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?Regards,
- Yarko



On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:



> So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going through

> it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?



I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university

class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...



Skip

_______________________________________________

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_______________________________________________

Chicago mailing list

Chicago at python.org

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago




-- 
JP Bader
Principal
Zavteq, Inc.
@lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com

608.692.2468


_______________________________________________

Chicago mailing list

Chicago at python.org

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago





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From jp at zavteq.com  Mon Apr 29 22:57:37 2013
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:57:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <BAY171-W30392465BB7E4CE58FD4E3CAB20@phx.gbl>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UxRwEyBTCc6AwhEhC9-BpuApTXK21Ls3OhYCPAyE9+jDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLj5EJ_030YyRO68LJxwTOnAwR4G9fsUmDqpwC=wHiH9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRSv3Qz6YpqC8JYNxSt+SM=DUB_dr6tKRK9kjLhHpUM8_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY171-W30392465BB7E4CE58FD4E3CAB20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAOL2cRQ8+wfvRb5N2wbCESsrytVD=w3fL44iOdRqvqGQ+avJCQ@mail.gmail.com>

I found it by going to plus.google.com, and searching for "Machine Learning
Chicago".  In the RHS there was a linke for Yarko's group.

Not sure if this link will work for anyone else, but this is what I
received:

https://plus.google.com/communities/110165644959167539186

Regards,


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Valentina Kibuyaga <namusoke at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks for sharing the resources!
>
> Valentina Kibuyaga
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:37:21 -0500
> From: yarkot1 at gmail.com
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
>
>
> Ok - I've made a google-plus community (rather than a google group) -
> "Machine Learning Chicago".
>
> Its public, open to anyone to join.
>
> Also note there is a hefty chicago ML study group already -
> http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Machine-Learning-Study-Group/
> ... as well as a uchicago program - http://ml.cs.uchicago.edu/ ... and
> more.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>
> I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement rule,
> I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.
>
> Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for
> getting together once maybe every 2 weeks?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit thin,
> so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies applies
> hear also).
>
> How do you plan to do this?
> Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?
>
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
> through
> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>
> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
JP Bader
Principal
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@lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 23:01:25 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:01:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UxRwEyBTCc6AwhEhC9-BpuApTXK21Ls3OhYCPAyE9+jDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLj5EJ_030YyRO68LJxwTOnAwR4G9fsUmDqpwC=wHiH9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRSv3Qz6YpqC8JYNxSt+SM=DUB_dr6tKRK9kjLhHpUM8_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEwvNMiw-BDTHbzUkiCQuhYGcjpZH7861eFNycdTgPjY5o62Qw@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't used Google Hangouts before, so I can't say how useful it will
be. Certainly it's convenient.

However, I'm interested in meeting up on a semi-regular basis. (Maybe ever
two weeks?) It's certainly not as convenient as a Hangout, but I think the
one-on-one human factor is huge. Even a meetup with 2 or 3 people is
sufficient.

Why don't we do the Hangout this weekend, I'm available to meet next week
either daytime Friday or Saturday morning / daytime.

The class is has a series of video lectures and a programming assignment,
done in Octave. Coursera classes are often use bots to grade assignments,
so you'll upload your program to be checked. I would imagine that people
could watch the videos and maybe try the homework. At the meeting people
could...
-- go over the homework,
-- get help on some of the math topics (matrix multiplication, anyone?),
-- implement it in python (how can we implement gradient ascent in Python,
is there something in SciKits.learn we could use?),
-- and build upon the lesson.

There's a wealth of options available.







-- 
Jason Wirth
    213.675.5294
    wirth.jason at gmail.com


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok - I've made a google-plus community (rather than a google group) -
> "Machine Learning Chicago".
>
> Its public, open to anyone to join.
>
> Also note there is a hefty chicago ML study group already -
> http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Machine-Learning-Study-Group/
> ... as well as a uchicago program - http://ml.cs.uchicago.edu/ ... and
> more.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement
>> rule, I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.
>>
>> Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for
>> getting together once maybe every 2 weeks?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit
>>> thin, so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies
>>> applies hear also).
>>>
>>> How do you plan to do this?
>>> Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> - Yarko
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
>>>> through
>>>> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>>>>
>>>> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
>>>> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>>>>
>>>> Skip
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JP Bader
>> Principal
>> Zavteq, Inc.
>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>> 608.692.2468
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 22:56:16 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:56:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UxJqaYsFYv4SiM-Q9Nkzm=B8H5YY6-Aj08ije_yASYyYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UxRwEyBTCc6AwhEhC9-BpuApTXK21Ls3OhYCPAyE9+jDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLj5EJ_030YyRO68LJxwTOnAwR4G9fsUmDqpwC=wHiH9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRSv3Qz6YpqC8JYNxSt+SM=DUB_dr6tKRK9kjLhHpUM8_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UxJqaYsFYv4SiM-Q9Nkzm=B8H5YY6-Aj08ije_yASYyYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+Z=PK7sWqaJOrwHS9y-tkRXYSx-H+vskJDUX6_J1wkvL4XoA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Ok - I've made a google-plus community (rather than a google group) -
> > "Machine Learning Chicago".
>
> Thanks.  How do I find it?  Searching for that term turns up nothing.
>

I just searched "machine learning chicago" and it came up - here's the
link: http://goo.gl/uxF1F


Regards,
- Yarko



>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From jamesbittner+chipy at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 23:12:20 2013
From: jamesbittner+chipy at gmail.com (James Bittner)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:12:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
Message-ID: <CAB+86-=tOLQNt8GVg5JL_W9AmkdUbhyLADHd8YswORx_Xx9R6g@mail.gmail.com>

I had a project a year ago that required using machine learning from a
sensor network data feed. I was really impressed with the python
script-able Orange machine learning/data visualization frame work.
http://orange.biolab.si

I was able to train a pile of methods in the gui. Then pickle them to be
pulled up later in my scripts to process new streaming data. All in a
friendly python add-on.

For some reason it took me a long long time searching to find that package,
so I though I'd share.


James





Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:00:41 -0500
> From: Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
> Message-ID:
>         <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=
> w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The Coursera Machine Learning class taught by Andrew Ng at Stanford (
> https://www.coursera.org/course/ml) just started (4/22) and I'm interested
> if anyone wants to work through it with me. I've taken this course before
> but only got about half way through it before getting busy and "dropping
> out."
>
>
> MOOCs are great, but they lack the community needed to have a successful
> learning experience. More importantly, learning happens by doing--not by
> watching videos--whether it's teaching someone else the material, working
> through problems with a partner, or adapting the problems to be relevant
> for your projects & internests.
>
>
> One of the downsides about the course is that it uses Octave, not Python.
> Despite that we could easily code the problems in Octave, then port them to
> Python & Numpy or use equivalent functions in Scikts.learn.
>
>
> So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going through
> it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>
>
> --
> Jason Wirth
>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 23:17:25 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:17:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
In-Reply-To: <CAEwvNMiw-BDTHbzUkiCQuhYGcjpZH7861eFNycdTgPjY5o62Qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwvNMgCVOTcBqfWGCc5JDBhWJ=w0LV0zfz0eTbCdOzJqYUWrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UxRwEyBTCc6AwhEhC9-BpuApTXK21Ls3OhYCPAyE9+jDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PLj5EJ_030YyRO68LJxwTOnAwR4G9fsUmDqpwC=wHiH9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOL2cRSv3Qz6YpqC8JYNxSt+SM=DUB_dr6tKRK9kjLhHpUM8_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+Z=PJUFRRusc_hAzyWRrn4vyQHKJNgFg0wxszS6=FpUGAS+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEwvNMiw-BDTHbzUkiCQuhYGcjpZH7861eFNycdTgPjY5o62Qw@mail.gmail.com>
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Jason -

Why don't you post this to the google-plus community.

About a year ago (after pycon-2012, I think) we did a ChiPY-north in
Mundelein (long way to down-town), and opened it to people via plus.

The advantage:  anyone can speak, and share screen (or docs).

I'm with you about face-to-face, but hangouts should fill the gap when you
can't make the travel/time/whatever, but still want to be "present".

That's the way I envision this - in person, if at all possible;   backup
plan is we'll always open to plus.
Downside to that:   the hangout limits are to 10 people as participants,
but we can do "hangout-on-air" (broadcast) and people working remote can
join smaller workgroups through satellite hangouts.   I think this should
work (even if it takes a while to figure out how to coordinate).

Also, with "on-air" we can broadcast and save, for those who missed the
time but _really_ wanted to be there.

Regards,
- Yarko


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't used Google Hangouts before, so I can't say how useful it will
> be. Certainly it's convenient.
>
> However, I'm interested in meeting up on a semi-regular basis. (Maybe ever
> two weeks?) It's certainly not as convenient as a Hangout, but I think the
> one-on-one human factor is huge. Even a meetup with 2 or 3 people is
> sufficient.
>
> Why don't we do the Hangout this weekend, I'm available to meet next week
> either daytime Friday or Saturday morning / daytime.
>
> The class is has a series of video lectures and a programming assignment,
> done in Octave. Coursera classes are often use bots to grade assignments,
> so you'll upload your program to be checked. I would imagine that people
> could watch the videos and maybe try the homework. At the meeting people
> could...
> -- go over the homework,
> -- get help on some of the math topics (matrix multiplication, anyone?),
> -- implement it in python (how can we implement gradient ascent in Python,
> is there something in SciKits.learn we could use?),
> -- and build upon the lesson.
>
> There's a wealth of options available.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jason Wirth
>     213.675.5294
>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Ok - I've made a google-plus community (rather than a google group) -
>> "Machine Learning Chicago".
>>
>> Its public, open to anyone to join.
>>
>> Also note there is a hefty chicago ML study group already -
>> http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Machine-Learning-Study-Group/
>> ... as well as a uchicago program - http://ml.cs.uchicago.edu/ ... and
>> more.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> - Yarko
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement
>>> rule, I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.
>>>
>>> Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for
>>> getting together once maybe every 2 weeks?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit
>>>> thin, so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies
>>>> applies hear also).
>>>>
>>>> How do you plan to do this?
>>>> Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> - Yarko
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
>>>>> through
>>>>> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>>>>>
>>>>> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
>>>>> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skip
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> JP Bader
>>> Principal
>>> Zavteq, Inc.
>>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>>> 608.692.2468
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
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>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From wirth.jason at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 23:45:43 2013
From: wirth.jason at gmail.com (Jason Wirth)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:45:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
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All good points! Esp., about filling the gap. I think a couple people
getting together for a quick hangout or something to work over an immediate
problem ("Hey guys, I'm stuck can anyone help?" "Sure...") can be really
helpful. Sometimes you can't wait a week to work through something.


-- 
Jason Wirth
    213.675.5294
    wirth.jason at gmail.com


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jason -
>
> Why don't you post this to the google-plus community.
>
> About a year ago (after pycon-2012, I think) we did a ChiPY-north in
> Mundelein (long way to down-town), and opened it to people via plus.
>
> The advantage:  anyone can speak, and share screen (or docs).
>
> I'm with you about face-to-face, but hangouts should fill the gap when you
> can't make the travel/time/whatever, but still want to be "present".
>
> That's the way I envision this - in person, if at all possible;   backup
> plan is we'll always open to plus.
> Downside to that:   the hangout limits are to 10 people as participants,
> but we can do "hangout-on-air" (broadcast) and people working remote can
> join smaller workgroups through satellite hangouts.   I think this should
> work (even if it takes a while to figure out how to coordinate).
>
> Also, with "on-air" we can broadcast and save, for those who missed the
> time but _really_ wanted to be there.
>
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Jason Wirth <wirth.jason at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I haven't used Google Hangouts before, so I can't say how useful it will
>> be. Certainly it's convenient.
>>
>> However, I'm interested in meeting up on a semi-regular basis. (Maybe
>> ever two weeks?) It's certainly not as convenient as a Hangout, but I think
>> the one-on-one human factor is huge. Even a meetup with 2 or 3 people is
>> sufficient.
>>
>> Why don't we do the Hangout this weekend, I'm available to meet next week
>> either daytime Friday or Saturday morning / daytime.
>>
>> The class is has a series of video lectures and a programming assignment,
>> done in Octave. Coursera classes are often use bots to grade assignments,
>> so you'll upload your program to be checked. I would imagine that people
>> could watch the videos and maybe try the homework. At the meeting people
>> could...
>> -- go over the homework,
>> -- get help on some of the math topics (matrix multiplication, anyone?),
>> -- implement it in python (how can we implement gradient ascent in
>> Python, is there something in SciKits.learn we could use?),
>> -- and build upon the lesson.
>>
>> There's a wealth of options available.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jason Wirth
>>     213.675.5294
>>     wirth.jason at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Ok - I've made a google-plus community (rather than a google group) -
>>> "Machine Learning Chicago".
>>>
>>> Its public, open to anyone to join.
>>>
>>> Also note there is a hefty chicago ML study group already -
>>> http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Machine-Learning-Study-Group/
>>> ... as well as a uchicago program - http://ml.cs.uchicago.edu/ ... and
>>> more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> - Yarko
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement
>>>> rule, I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.
>>>>
>>>> Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for
>>>> getting together once maybe every 2 weeks?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit
>>>>> thin, so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies
>>>>> applies hear also).
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you plan to do this?
>>>>> Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> - Yarko
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
>>>>>> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skip
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> JP Bader
>>>> Principal
>>>> Zavteq, Inc.
>>>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>>>> 608.692.2468
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From skip.montanaro at gmail.com  Tue Apr 30 02:49:59 2013
From: skip.montanaro at gmail.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
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Thanks. It turns up now. Perhaps I was too quick at the trigger earlier.

Skip
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 30 17:48:20 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:48:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
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Are you a PS1 member?

Regards,
- Yarko


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:

> I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement rule,
> I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.
>
> Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for
> getting together once maybe every 2 weeks?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit thin,
>> so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies applies
>> hear also).
>>
>> How do you plan to do this?
>> Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?
>>
>> Regards,
>> - Yarko
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
>>> through
>>> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>>>
>>> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
>>> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>>>
>>> Skip
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From yarkot1 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 30 17:49:01 2013
From: yarkot1 at gmail.com (Yarko Tymciurak)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:49:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Machine learning, all the cool kids are doing it.
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Sorry - that should have gone on the plus-community for ML-Chi

Regards,
- Yarko


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you a PS1 member?
>
> Regards,
> - Yarko
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm also signed up, but since Skip already noted the 50% involvement
>> rule, I'm hoping I can get through at least that much.
>>
>> Yarko, please create a goog group/hangout, and can we utilize PS1 for
>> getting together once maybe every 2 weeks?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Yarko Tymciurak <yarkot1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting... I count 6 now;  if 1/2 interact, that could be a bit
>>> thin, so I'll throw my hat in the ring (story about far away galaxies
>>> applies hear also).
>>>
>>> How do you plan to do this?
>>> Google group + hangout + occiasional social meet-up?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> - Yarko
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > So this time around I'm hoping to find someone interested in going
>>>> through
>>>> > it together, particularly with a Python focus. Any takers?
>>>>
>>>> I signed up, though I warn you that the last time I took a university
>>>> class was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away...
>>>>
>>>> Skip
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JP Bader
>> Principal
>> Zavteq, Inc.
>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>> 608.692.2468
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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