From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 01:35:36 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:35:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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I'm up for mono I was considering using it for work.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and
>> I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a
>> cool topic. I think it is.
>> 
>> Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
>> 
> I am game; however, I would really love to see a Python talk... we
> love Fawad. Although, I think we really need to make some more
> comparisons to Python since we are focused on that language.
> 
> -- 
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:42:22 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Python Developer required at Chicago IL
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From fawad at fawad.net  Wed Aug  1 17:57:03 2012
From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:57:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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I was thinking that for the mono presentation, I'd start with an
introduction to Mono, what it means in relation to .NET, then segway into
an introduction to IronPython.

Could you talk about what kind of comparison you'd be interested in hearing
about? Would you want to see, for example, a comparison of C# to python
from a language perspective or were you thinking more about the runtimes?
I'm open to suggestions at this point.

Regards
-fawad

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono
> and
> > I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would
> be a
> > cool topic. I think it is.
> >
> > Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
> >
> I am game; however, I would really love to see a Python talk... we
> love Fawad. Although, I think we really need to make some more
> comparisons to Python since we are focused on that language.
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 18:10:44 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Fawad Halim <fawad at fawad.net> wrote:
> I was thinking that for the mono presentation, I'd start with an
> introduction to Mono, what it means in relation to .NET, then segway into an
> introduction to IronPython.

Great, would love to hear this talk, added to the schedule: http://chipy.org/

> Could you talk about what kind of comparison you'd be interested in hearing
> about? Would you want to see, for example, a comparison of C# to python from
> a language perspective or were you thinking more about the runtimes? I'm
> open to suggestions at this point.
>

There are two points of comparison that come to mind (I am sure there
are more): syntactic language comparison of CLR languages and Python;
and a comparison of what on the system level (DLLs?) is available to
each. How can Python be used instead, aside, or between parts. What
are the advantages and disadvantages of different approaches?

As we did with some other OS specific meetings (ie CoreGraphic
bindings, HFS forks, and file system stuff on Macs), it is also
interesting if someone could highlight the C-Python standard library
stuff that is different (or additional) on Windows.

I can also recall a past presentations on packaging for windows in the
past; however, this may be a whole new topic :)

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 04:31:06 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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Can we go over how to interface both with python?
On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
> 
> Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
> 
> ______________________________________
> Sergio Pereira
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From sergioafp at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 15:35:19 2012
From: sergioafp at gmail.com (Sergio Pereira)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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I think mono + IronPython on mono could be too much material to talk in one
night.
We should probably pick one or the other to focus.
______________________________________
Sergio Pereira


On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Can we go over how to interface both with python?
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono
> and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would
> be a cool topic. I think it is.
> >
> > Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
> >
> > ______________________________________
> > Sergio Pereira
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From fawad at fawad.net  Thu Aug  2 20:32:09 2012
From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:32:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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If we don't go too much into the details of how the interfacing works, I
have sample code that I could demo showing how to call one from the other.

Regards
-fawad

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think mono + IronPython on mono could be too much material to talk in
> one night.
> We should probably pick one or the other to focus.
> ______________________________________
> Sergio Pereira
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Can we go over how to interface both with python?
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono
>> and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would
>> be a cool topic. I think it is.
>> >
>> > Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
>> >
>> > ______________________________________
>> > Sergio Pereira
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From chicagomackay at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 21:16:21 2012
From: chicagomackay at gmail.com (Alex MacKay)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:16:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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What do you have when you have mono all by itself.    

The kissing disease  (Sorry could not help it, I tried).....


On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Sergio Pereira wrote:

> I think mono + IronPython on mono could be too much material to talk in one night.
> We should probably pick one or the other to focus.
> ______________________________________
> Sergio Pereira
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we go over how to interface both with python?
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
> >
> > Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
> >
> > ______________________________________
> > Sergio Pereira
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 22:13:25 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Announcing Python at Codecademy
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Good good news!


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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 22:35:46 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:35:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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This meeting is going viral...



On Aug 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Alex MacKay <chicagomackay at gmail.com> wrote:

> What do you have when you have mono all by itself.    
> 
> The kissing disease  (Sorry could not help it, I tried).....
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Sergio Pereira wrote:
> 
>> I think mono + IronPython on mono could be too much material to talk in one night.
>> We should probably pick one or the other to focus.
>> ______________________________________
>> Sergio Pereira
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can we go over how to interface both with python?
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
>> >
>> > Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
>> >
>> > ______________________________________
>> > Sergio Pereira
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From chicagomackay at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 22:46:56 2012
From: chicagomackay at gmail.com (Alex MacKay)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
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As long as it doesn't go postal  (ouch, I didn't try hard enough)


On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Brian Ray wrote:

> This meeting is going viral...
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Alex MacKay <chicagomackay at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> What do you have when you have mono all by itself.    
>> 
>> The kissing disease  (Sorry could not help it, I tried).....
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 2, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Sergio Pereira wrote:
>> 
>>> I think mono + IronPython on mono could be too much material to talk in one night.
>>> We should probably pick one or the other to focus.
>>> ______________________________________
>>> Sergio Pereira
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Can we go over how to interface both with python?
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
>>> >
>>> > Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
>>> >
>>> > ______________________________________
>>> > Sergio Pereira
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 23:03:30 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:03:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Announcing Python at Codecademy
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Should we ask them to mention chipy or is this implied already?
On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Good good news!
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> Date: August 2, 2012 2:57:10 PM CDT
>> To: Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Fwd: Announcing Python at Codecademy
>> 
>> You going to mentor?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Codecademy Team <contact at codecademy.com>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM
>> Subject: Announcing Python at 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> You Asked. We Listened.
>> Today, we're pleased to announce the arrival of a new programming language: Python! 
>> 
>> Python is a great language with applications in many different fields. Its clean, readable syntax makes it a favorite for beginning programmers ? say goodbye to all of those braces and semicolons.
>> 
>> Python is currently in use at places like Google, NASA, and Disney Animation. Also, it has an active community of developers and offers great module support - this means you can easily use code that others have written to accomplish all kinds of tasks!
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You're receiving this email because you signed up for updates from Codecademy.
>> If you want to stop receiving emails from Codecademy, you can unsubscribe.
>> Codecademy. 670 Broadway, 4th floor. New York, NY 10012
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From brian at python.org  Thu Aug  2 23:06:05 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:06:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Announcing Python at Codecademy
In-Reply-To: <C5408FCF-7A68-4795-8ECF-A23663A4DD6E@gmail.com>
References: <CAD5Z75XqyStj2ybyy4rBrSXQ8f955WsgA788sQ=x8yr7WaqhAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1B05421-4229-4B2F-9281-999415232C12@gmail.com>
	<C5408FCF-7A68-4795-8ECF-A23663A4DD6E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwpLfd3foRy1=85tch1aWPqu4O5cSnnTdPg68HhjppQRRw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Should we ask them to mention chipy or is this implied already?

It's an online Python course. I'm not sure why they'd mention ChiPy.

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 23:17:02 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:17:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
In-Reply-To: <CAK+_impJ7q=OikKNOFEE7880qMXAU49qLN4GVz5mras0QoC_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK+_impJ7q=OikKNOFEE7880qMXAU49qLN4GVz5mras0QoC_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC1C2C27-82B9-409C-B0E7-3B09BE037FCC@gmail.com>

I can talk about deploying python on windows server 2012 in a virtual box instance. Would that be good for everyone? It would be another live demo maybe 15 minutes.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
> 
> Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
> 
> ______________________________________
> Sergio Pereira
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From brian at python.org  Fri Aug  3 00:02:43 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:02:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Announcing Python at Codecademy
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwpLfd3foRy1=85tch1aWPqu4O5cSnnTdPg68HhjppQRRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD5Z75XqyStj2ybyy4rBrSXQ8f955WsgA788sQ=x8yr7WaqhAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1B05421-4229-4B2F-9281-999415232C12@gmail.com>
	<C5408FCF-7A68-4795-8ECF-A23663A4DD6E@gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpLfd3foRy1=85tch1aWPqu4O5cSnnTdPg68HhjppQRRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwrgwo9_-39WW6h-2NPswDUxAzAU9MaFAKydSb7mS=5dTw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Should we ask them to mention chipy or is this implied already?
>
> It's an online Python course. I'm not sure why they'd mention ChiPy.

Also, since this seems to trip people up: Codecademy, which the email
is about, is from NY. Code Academy is from Chicago.

From chicagomackay at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 00:09:12 2012
From: chicagomackay at gmail.com (Alex MacKay)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
In-Reply-To: <BC1C2C27-82B9-409C-B0E7-3B09BE037FCC@gmail.com>
References: <CAK+_impJ7q=OikKNOFEE7880qMXAU49qLN4GVz5mras0QoC_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC1C2C27-82B9-409C-B0E7-3B09BE037FCC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C94C235F-693F-461F-AE2F-CEBD1D083592@gmail.com>

Does anyone deploy Python on Mac or am I the lone Mahican ? 


On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:

> I can talk about deploying python on windows server 2012 in a virtual box instance. Would that be good for everyone? It would be another live demo maybe 15 minutes.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
>> 
>> Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
>> 
>> ______________________________________
>> Sergio Pereira
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 00:14:27 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:14:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
In-Reply-To: <C94C235F-693F-461F-AE2F-CEBD1D083592@gmail.com>
References: <CAK+_impJ7q=OikKNOFEE7880qMXAU49qLN4GVz5mras0QoC_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC1C2C27-82B9-409C-B0E7-3B09BE037FCC@gmail.com>
	<C94C235F-693F-461F-AE2F-CEBD1D083592@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0044CD7-65B3-4237-BAAC-E79C704EE187@gmail.com>

I use python on my mac and I deploy to app engine. Does that count?
On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Alex MacKay <chicagomackay at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone deploy Python on Mac or am I the lone Mahican ? 
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:
> 
>> I can talk about deploying python on windows server 2012 in a virtual box instance. Would that be good for everyone? It would be another live demo maybe 15 minutes.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________
>>> Sergio Pereira
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From chicagomackay at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 00:27:56 2012
From: chicagomackay at gmail.com (Alex MacKay)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:27:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
In-Reply-To: <B0044CD7-65B3-4237-BAAC-E79C704EE187@gmail.com>
References: <CAK+_impJ7q=OikKNOFEE7880qMXAU49qLN4GVz5mras0QoC_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC1C2C27-82B9-409C-B0E7-3B09BE037FCC@gmail.com>
	<C94C235F-693F-461F-AE2F-CEBD1D083592@gmail.com>
	<B0044CD7-65B3-4237-BAAC-E79C704EE187@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9FD0C6F-1CB0-4435-BA17-0B6A12BF0E62@gmail.com>


On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:

> I use python on my mac and I deploy to app engine. Does that count?
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Alex MacKay <chicagomackay at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone deploy Python on Mac or am I the lone Mahican ? 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:
>> 
>>> I can talk about deploying python on windows server 2012 in a virtual box instance. Would that be good for everyone? It would be another live demo maybe 15 minutes.
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________
>>>> Sergio Pereira
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 00:34:08 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:34:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] One more talk for August - Mono
In-Reply-To: <D9FD0C6F-1CB0-4435-BA17-0B6A12BF0E62@gmail.com>
References: <CAK+_impJ7q=OikKNOFEE7880qMXAU49qLN4GVz5mras0QoC_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC1C2C27-82B9-409C-B0E7-3B09BE037FCC@gmail.com>
	<C94C235F-693F-461F-AE2F-CEBD1D083592@gmail.com>
	<B0044CD7-65B3-4237-BAAC-E79C704EE187@gmail.com>
	<D9FD0C6F-1CB0-4435-BA17-0B6A12BF0E62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0300A5E7-5765-40CC-B78F-B42894A2B26B@gmail.com>

Yea thats fine. I know I didn't do my best that time.
On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Alex MacKay <chicagomackay at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:
> 
>> I use python on my mac and I deploy to app engine. Does that count?
>> On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Alex MacKay <chicagomackay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone deploy Python on Mac or am I the lone Mahican ? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I can talk about deploying python on windows server 2012 in a virtual box instance. Would that be good for everyone? It would be another live demo maybe 15 minutes.
>>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Fawad, which is a member of both groups, volunteered to present on Mono and I took up on his offer. But I wanted to check with ChiPy if that would be a cool topic. I think it is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts? Boo and Mono next week?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ______________________________________
>>>>> Sergio Pereira
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 00:38:00 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Announcing Python at Codecademy
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwrgwo9_-39WW6h-2NPswDUxAzAU9MaFAKydSb7mS=5dTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD5Z75XqyStj2ybyy4rBrSXQ8f955WsgA788sQ=x8yr7WaqhAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1B05421-4229-4B2F-9281-999415232C12@gmail.com>
	<C5408FCF-7A68-4795-8ECF-A23663A4DD6E@gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpLfd3foRy1=85tch1aWPqu4O5cSnnTdPg68HhjppQRRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwrgwo9_-39WW6h-2NPswDUxAzAU9MaFAKydSb7mS=5dTw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Should we ask them to mention chipy or is this implied already?
>> 
>> It's an online Python course. I'm not sure why they'd mention ChiPy.
> 
> Also, since this seems to trip people up: Codecademy, which the email
> is about, is from NY. Code Academy is 

I do hope Code Academy follows this lead.... Soon! Only then I will stop calling them bro-academy.

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 15:14:56 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:14:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Thursday
Message-ID: <CANKg38t3LNcA4qbKW6RGpFSCgzag-oSn3R4K2mcPf9xkWJZ+5w@mail.gmail.com>

Last call for one more short presentation proposal (20 minutes or so)
or edites to the topics found here http://chipy.org/. Concerning
Fawad's presentation, you can present on whatever you like, just let
me know so it is clear in the official announcement.

This is going to be our best meeting ever!

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray

From Jay.Johnson at aecom.com  Mon Aug  6 22:48:38 2012
From: Jay.Johnson at aecom.com (Johnson, Jay)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:48:38 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Desks available in Chicago
In-Reply-To: <CAOw3ceODzP3uO4=kwNj5XK376-cL+0RhfHwGDCJauDxqfRxq+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOw3ceODzP3uO4=kwNj5XK376-cL+0RhfHwGDCJauDxqfRxq+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <803A920856B5A947AB0F0FCC2A935A9E37CDD61F@USDEN3EXMB005.na.aecomnet.com>

Did anyone take the desks?



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From: chicago-bounces+jay.johnson=aecom.com at python.org [chicago-bounces+jay.johnson=aecom.com at python.org] on behalf of Caitlin Seick [caitlin at walkjogrun.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:55 AM
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] Desks available in Chicago

Hi Chicago Python User Group,

I wanted to see if you'd be able to share this with your grop members to see if anyone may be interested.

We're looking to fill two empty desks in our Ravenswood/North Center office. The office, at 3759 N. Ravenswood Ave is the home of WalkJogRun.net, one of the biggest running websites, and iPhone running apps in the world. It's also the headquarters of online marketing firm, Adam Howitt Consulting. This space is perfect for small business owners looking for a place to work and get creative. We're looking for designers and developers to create an environment to get creative work done but have access to the "watercooler effect" by sharing a space with other developers and designers.

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 23:59:29 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy *special* August Meeting: *this* Thursday 9th 7pm
 at Morningstar with Chicago ALT.NET
Message-ID: <CANKg38tO9tQ1c3nu=XiWFJsmSfs51kc715_pmiDwiXeLrHNCPQ@mail.gmail.com>

#!/sbin/awesome -v

Chicago Python User Group
====================

This is going to be monumental. Join us with special guests Bill Gates
and Guido van Rossum as Chicago ALT.NET http://chicagoalt.net/
co-hosts our best meeting ever: best at Morningstar HQ; or anywhere
else on the planet; or in cyberspace; or on Mars, for that matter or
for anit-matter. Bill and Guido have kindly offered to buy food and
beer for the event. This will be best ever!

Pretty Please RSVP Quick Links:
YES http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/51/yes
MAYBE http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/51/maybe
        OR RSVP on the ALT.net site
http://altnetchicago-groupsite.eventbrite.com/

When
----

Thursday August 9th, 2012 at 7PM

Where
-----

Morningstar Inc: Global Headquarters
22 W Washington St,  7th Floor
Chicago, IL 60602

Topics
---------------

Food and Intro By Brian Ray and Sponsors: Get there early for food,
doors open at 6:30

1) Python inspired: Boo
By: Scott Stephens
* Static typing with type inference
* Optional duck typing
* Many meta-programming facilities, including an extensible compiler
infrastructure
* A nice interactive console, an interpreter, AND a traditional compiler
* Comparisons to Python

2) From Mono to IronPython
By: Fawad Halim
Introduction to Mono, what it means in relation to .NET, with a segway
into IronPython.

** at some point there will some open discussion and some trust
building exercises.

About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers. Participants range
from absolute beginners to seasoned veterans. In short, *everyone* is
welcome (including you)! Every second Thursday of the month ChiPy
members gather to give talks on a wide variety of topics related to
Python and related technology. Our community benefits from a variety
of participants, so we would love it if you would make yourself a
participant!

ChiPy website: http://chipy.org
ChiPy Mailing List: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce
Python website: http://python.org

EOF

--
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 00:07:10 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:07:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy *special* August Meeting: *this* Thursday 9th
 7pm at Morningstar with Chicago ALT.NET
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tO9tQ1c3nu=XiWFJsmSfs51kc715_pmiDwiXeLrHNCPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tO9tQ1c3nu=XiWFJsmSfs51kc715_pmiDwiXeLrHNCPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1znUOgRM3Hs86ph1rP2miDfwY2yDH0j4PYDsJb8erR9iyA@mail.gmail.com>

WOW +1
---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung



On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> #!/sbin/awesome -v
>
> Chicago Python User Group
> ====================
>
> This is going to be monumental. Join us with special guests Bill Gates
> and Guido van Rossum as Chicago ALT.NET http://chicagoalt.net/
> co-hosts our best meeting ever: best at Morningstar HQ; or anywhere
> else on the planet; or in cyberspace; or on Mars, for that matter or
> for anit-matter. Bill and Guido have kindly offered to buy food and
> beer for the event. This will be best ever!
>
> Pretty Please RSVP Quick Links:
> YES http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/51/yes
> MAYBE http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/51/maybe
>         OR RSVP on the ALT.net site
> http://altnetchicago-groupsite.eventbrite.com/
>
> When
> ----
>
> Thursday August 9th, 2012 at 7PM
>
> Where
> -----
>
> Morningstar Inc: Global Headquarters
> 22 W Washington St,  7th Floor
> Chicago, IL 60602
>
> Topics
> ---------------
>
> Food and Intro By Brian Ray and Sponsors: Get there early for food,
> doors open at 6:30
>
> 1) Python inspired: Boo
> By: Scott Stephens
> * Static typing with type inference
> * Optional duck typing
> * Many meta-programming facilities, including an extensible compiler
> infrastructure
> * A nice interactive console, an interpreter, AND a traditional compiler
> * Comparisons to Python
>
> 2) From Mono to IronPython
> By: Fawad Halim
> Introduction to Mono, what it means in relation to .NET, with a segway
> into IronPython.
>
> ** at some point there will some open discussion and some trust
> building exercises.
>
> About ChiPy
> -----------
>
> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers. Participants range
> from absolute beginners to seasoned veterans. In short, *everyone* is
> welcome (including you)! Every second Thursday of the month ChiPy
> members gather to give talks on a wide variety of topics related to
> Python and related technology. Our community benefits from a variety
> of participants, so we would love it if you would make yourself a
> participant!
>
> ChiPy website: http://chipy.org
> ChiPy Mailing List: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce
> Python website: http://python.org
>
> EOF
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 03:38:00 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy *special* August Meeting: *this* Thursday 9th
 7pm at Morningstar with Chicago ALT.NET
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1znUOgRM3Hs86ph1rP2miDfwY2yDH0j4PYDsJb8erR9iyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tO9tQ1c3nu=XiWFJsmSfs51kc715_pmiDwiXeLrHNCPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1znUOgRM3Hs86ph1rP2miDfwY2yDH0j4PYDsJb8erR9iyA@mail.gmail.com>
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this is so a joke.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> WOW +1
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > #!/sbin/awesome -v
> >
> > Chicago Python User Group
> > ====================
> >
> > This is going to be monumental. Join us with special guests Bill Gates
> > and Guido van Rossum as Chicago ALT.NET http://chicagoalt.net/
> > co-hosts our best meeting ever: best at Morningstar HQ; or anywhere
> > else on the planet; or in cyberspace; or on Mars, for that matter or
> > for anit-matter. Bill and Guido have kindly offered to buy food and
> > beer for the event. This will be best ever!
> >
> > Pretty Please RSVP Quick Links:
> > YES http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/51/yes
> > MAYBE http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/51/maybe
> >         OR RSVP on the ALT.net site
> > http://altnetchicago-groupsite.eventbrite.com/
> >
> > When
> > ----
> >
> > Thursday August 9th, 2012 at 7PM
> >
> > Where
> > -----
> >
> > Morningstar Inc: Global Headquarters
> > 22 W Washington St,  7th Floor
> > Chicago, IL 60602
> >
> > Topics
> > ---------------
> >
> > Food and Intro By Brian Ray and Sponsors: Get there early for food,
> > doors open at 6:30
> >
> > 1) Python inspired: Boo
> > By: Scott Stephens
> > * Static typing with type inference
> > * Optional duck typing
> > * Many meta-programming facilities, including an extensible compiler
> > infrastructure
> > * A nice interactive console, an interpreter, AND a traditional compiler
> > * Comparisons to Python
> >
> > 2) From Mono to IronPython
> > By: Fawad Halim
> > Introduction to Mono, what it means in relation to .NET, with a segway
> > into IronPython.
> >
> > ** at some point there will some open discussion and some trust
> > building exercises.
> >
> > About ChiPy
> > -----------
> >
> > ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers. Participants range
> > from absolute beginners to seasoned veterans. In short, *everyone* is
> > welcome (including you)! Every second Thursday of the month ChiPy
> > members gather to give talks on a wide variety of topics related to
> > Python and related technology. Our community benefits from a variety
> > of participants, so we would love it if you would make yourself a
> > participant!
> >
> > ChiPy website: http://chipy.org
> > ChiPy Mailing List: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> > ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce
> > Python website: http://python.org
> >
> > EOF
> >
> > --
> > Brian Ray
> > @brianray
> > (773) 669-7717
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 14:05:04 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:05:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy *special* August Meeting: *this* Thursday 9th
 7pm at Morningstar with Chicago ALT.NET
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tO9tQ1c3nu=XiWFJsmSfs51kc715_pmiDwiXeLrHNCPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38tO9tQ1c3nu=XiWFJsmSfs51kc715_pmiDwiXeLrHNCPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38thdL4R20LjR9kVRes57e1SOAH26a2fm+0y_JBwVU2LBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is going to be monumental. Join us with special guests Bill Gates
> and Guido van Rossum as Chicago ALT.NET http://chicagoalt.net/

Regarding Bill and Guido, I have been legally advised to add:

"""All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any
resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely
coincidental."""

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug  9 15:17:08 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:17:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP for tonight
Message-ID: <CANKg38tM_bv78T-7BPQT-d+Axi8=WxEkk7qXPjNqjF=JAWE8MQ@mail.gmail.com>

Remember to RSVP for tonights's meeting http://chipy.org

Everyone is invited... bring a friend. Will be awesome and be the best
meeting ever....

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug  9 16:39:18 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:39:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mars Curiosity rover: tested with Python
Message-ID: <CANKg38sGcx-QjLUiK63PQuH2Aore1FPJsN0kR1v96_u51dqTLw@mail.gmail.com>

Saw this posted from another ChiPy member, "It does appear that the
testing scripts were written in Python."...

REF http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/159637/what-is-the-mars-curiosity-rovers-software-built-in/159638#159638

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray

From stephens.js at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 05:25:26 2012
From: stephens.js at gmail.com (Scott Stephens)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:25:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Slides/Examples From Boo Talk
Message-ID: <CABppgTfw4F+7Xt=am=gBE4NooCjdjQ0kd8dYZ=91UZVx7VgtAw@mail.gmail.com>

My slides and examples are available online for anyone who's interested:

github.com/scottstephens/boo_talk
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From fawad at fawad.net  Fri Aug 10 05:35:50 2012
From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:35:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Follow up
Message-ID: <CAEdn43aJ_KO+Vp3ziBeCrKkvDOxHAaED_3npXEXXm-nAr2NGBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
  Thanks for the opportunity to share some information about .NET and Mono.
Also, thanks to Scott for the presentation on Boo. I had forgotten boo as
one of the very cool languages one can leverage on the CLR.

If you're interested in learning more about .NET development, the Chicago
ALT.NET Users Group (http://www.chicagoalt.net/) usually meets on the third
wednesday of every month. The website lists the presentations we've had in
the past. Hopefully python people can find presentations at the
ALT.NETgroup that interest them in the future.

Regards
-fawad
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From sergioafp at gmail.com  Mon Aug 13 03:04:46 2012
From: sergioafp at gmail.com (Sergio Pereira)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:04:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Follow up
In-Reply-To: <CAEdn43aJ_KO+Vp3ziBeCrKkvDOxHAaED_3npXEXXm-nAr2NGBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEdn43aJ_KO+Vp3ziBeCrKkvDOxHAaED_3npXEXXm-nAr2NGBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK+_impUNJxHNxV7FzNkcPeQDBpB9Bub=D3eq7oBZSSigk2F3A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for representing alt.net, Fawad.
Just to correct one bit of info, Chicago ALT.NET meets on the 2nd Wednesday
of the month.

______________________________________
Sergio Pereira


On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Fawad Halim <fawad at fawad.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>   Thanks for the opportunity to share some information about .NET and
> Mono. Also, thanks to Scott for the presentation on Boo. I had forgotten
> boo as one of the very cool languages one can leverage on the CLR.
>
> If you're interested in learning more about .NET development, the Chicago
> ALT.NET Users Group (http://www.chicagoalt.net/) usually meets on the
> third wednesday of every month. The website lists the presentations we've
> had in the past. Hopefully python people can find presentations at the
> ALT.NET group that interest them in the future.
>
> Regards
> -fawad
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug 13 03:14:34 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:14:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Follow up
In-Reply-To: <CAK+_impUNJxHNxV7FzNkcPeQDBpB9Bub=D3eq7oBZSSigk2F3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEdn43aJ_KO+Vp3ziBeCrKkvDOxHAaED_3npXEXXm-nAr2NGBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAK+_impUNJxHNxV7FzNkcPeQDBpB9Bub=D3eq7oBZSSigk2F3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED299994-631B-4039-82D8-E8FFA7FC39F8@gmail.com>

Thank you alt.net! That was sure fun, let's do it again sometime.

Cheers, Brian



On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Sergio Pereira <sergioafp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for representing alt.net, Fawad. 
> Just to correct one bit of info, Chicago ALT.NET meets on the 2nd Wednesday of the month.
> 
> ______________________________________
> Sergio Pereira
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Fawad Halim <fawad at fawad.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>   Thanks for the opportunity to share some information about .NET and Mono. Also, thanks to Scott for the presentation on Boo. I had forgotten boo as one of the very cool languages one can leverage on the CLR.
> 
> If you're interested in learning more about .NET development, the Chicago ALT.NET Users Group (http://www.chicagoalt.net/) usually meets on the third wednesday of every month. The website lists the presentations we've had in the past. Hopefully python people can find presentations at the ALT.NET group that interest them in the future.
> 
> Regards
> -fawad
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Tue Aug 14 20:59:34 2012
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:59:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
Message-ID: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>

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From choman at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 21:01:33 2012
From: choman at gmail.com (Chad Homan)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
In-Reply-To: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
References: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Xrk5gnb7Kh5b9gK-QGcdzkRM5J_vWCHfJHP=sw3EOU4+6uAg@mail.gmail.com>

IMHO A byte of python is a great start
On Aug 14, 2012 2:00 PM, "Tal Liron" <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:

>  Can someone recommend a good book for self-learning Python for someone
> with no background in computer programming?
>
> I seem to remember that there's a classic one that's often recommended,
> but I don't remember the name.
>
> Python! Hooray!
>
> -Tal
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From dnfehrenbach at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 21:04:09 2012
From: dnfehrenbach at gmail.com (Daniel Fehrenbach)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
In-Reply-To: <CA+Xrk5gnb7Kh5b9gK-QGcdzkRM5J_vWCHfJHP=sw3EOU4+6uAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
	<CA+Xrk5gnb7Kh5b9gK-QGcdzkRM5J_vWCHfJHP=sw3EOU4+6uAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAATXiXJ+QsO17rk86o8unAXOzcYRJoT_UgKdFHSQLbE8iomF7g@mail.gmail.com>

Dive Into Python has been pretty useful for me.

http://www.diveintopython.net/

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Chad Homan <choman at gmail.com> wrote:
> IMHO A byte of python is a great start
>
> On Aug 14, 2012 2:00 PM, "Tal Liron" <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can someone recommend a good book for self-learning Python for someone
>> with no background in computer programming?
>>
>> I seem to remember that there's a classic one that's often recommended,
>> but I don't remember the name.
>>
>> Python! Hooray!
>>
>> -Tal
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From mastahyeti at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 21:11:44 2012
From: mastahyeti at gmail.com (Ben Toews)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
In-Reply-To: <CAATXiXJ+QsO17rk86o8unAXOzcYRJoT_UgKdFHSQLbE8iomF7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
	<CA+Xrk5gnb7Kh5b9gK-QGcdzkRM5J_vWCHfJHP=sw3EOU4+6uAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATXiXJ+QsO17rk86o8unAXOzcYRJoT_UgKdFHSQLbE8iomF7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE=pOyFy7=WHDwLJDz=K-jeoT+_uEu=L5PEYK7T8u=RFUa43bw@mail.gmail.com>

I read Dive Into Python 10 years ago when I was starting with Python
and I still recommend it. Great book

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
<dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dive Into Python has been pretty useful for me.
>
> http://www.diveintopython.net/
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Chad Homan <choman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> IMHO A byte of python is a great start
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2012 2:00 PM, "Tal Liron" <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone recommend a good book for self-learning Python for someone
>>> with no background in computer programming?
>>>
>>> I seem to remember that there's a classic one that's often recommended,
>>> but I don't remember the name.
>>>
>>> Python! Hooray!
>>>
>>> -Tal
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



-- 
-Ben Toews

From adrian at holovaty.com  Tue Aug 14 21:15:51 2012
From: adrian at holovaty.com (Adrian Holovaty)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:15:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
In-Reply-To: <CAATXiXJ+QsO17rk86o8unAXOzcYRJoT_UgKdFHSQLbE8iomF7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
	<CA+Xrk5gnb7Kh5b9gK-QGcdzkRM5J_vWCHfJHP=sw3EOU4+6uAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATXiXJ+QsO17rk86o8unAXOzcYRJoT_UgKdFHSQLbE8iomF7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABm4ZCRs1GUtE-MNaZ=dVRptRk0E2WTmbP2ERHxOwo9BzNQaZw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
<dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dive Into Python has been pretty useful for me.
>
> http://www.diveintopython.net/

I love Dive Into Python (it's how I started, too), but I would *not*
recommend it for somebody with no background in computer programming.

Check out the very first sentence at http://www.diveintopython.net/ --

"Dive Into Python is a free Python book for experienced programmers."

Adrian

From mastahyeti at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 21:16:51 2012
From: mastahyeti at gmail.com (Ben Toews)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
In-Reply-To: <CABm4ZCRs1GUtE-MNaZ=dVRptRk0E2WTmbP2ERHxOwo9BzNQaZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
	<CA+Xrk5gnb7Kh5b9gK-QGcdzkRM5J_vWCHfJHP=sw3EOU4+6uAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATXiXJ+QsO17rk86o8unAXOzcYRJoT_UgKdFHSQLbE8iomF7g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABm4ZCRs1GUtE-MNaZ=dVRptRk0E2WTmbP2ERHxOwo9BzNQaZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE=pOyGWmTE13xk=rkB8dXKQk5c+ut3xaMoVPRK5Ay74qWPw+g@mail.gmail.com>

:D

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Adrian Holovaty <adrian at holovaty.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dive Into Python has been pretty useful for me.
>>
>> http://www.diveintopython.net/
>
> I love Dive Into Python (it's how I started, too), but I would *not*
> recommend it for somebody with no background in computer programming.
>
> Check out the very first sentence at http://www.diveintopython.net/ --
>
> "Dive Into Python is a free Python book for experienced programmers."
>
> Adrian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



-- 
-Ben Toews

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 21:33:30 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:33:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
In-Reply-To: <CAE=pOyGWmTE13xk=rkB8dXKQk5c+ut3xaMoVPRK5Ay74qWPw+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
	<CA+Xrk5gnb7Kh5b9gK-QGcdzkRM5J_vWCHfJHP=sw3EOU4+6uAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATXiXJ+QsO17rk86o8unAXOzcYRJoT_UgKdFHSQLbE8iomF7g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABm4ZCRs1GUtE-MNaZ=dVRptRk0E2WTmbP2ERHxOwo9BzNQaZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE=pOyGWmTE13xk=rkB8dXKQk5c+ut3xaMoVPRK5Ay74qWPw+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1z=EVQxSg3Yd8c+T+8FXar49t15ATjhO3ctHEfyaTtu-Dg@mail.gmail.com>

+1 To dive into python and also a mention of Learning Python the Hard
Way http://learnpythonthehardway.org
---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung



On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ben Toews <mastahyeti at gmail.com> wrote:
> :D
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Adrian Holovaty <adrian at holovaty.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dive Into Python has been pretty useful for me.
>>>
>>> http://www.diveintopython.net/
>>
>> I love Dive Into Python (it's how I started, too), but I would *not*
>> recommend it for somebody with no background in computer programming.
>>
>> Check out the very first sentence at http://www.diveintopython.net/ --
>>
>> "Dive Into Python is a free Python book for experienced programmers."
>>
>> Adrian
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> -Ben Toews
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From shekay at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 21:50:32 2012
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
In-Reply-To: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
References: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rZa13VvWbFDKJ3LtWEQ-jVTOt+VMTrBnvJcwUSwgoOtZg@mail.gmail.com>

Does your friend want to learn about programming or about computer science
(or both)?

I bought an intro to cs book that uses python and if I find it you can take
a look.
On Aug 14, 2012 1:59 PM, "Tal Liron" <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:

>  Can someone recommend a good book for self-learning Python for someone
> with no background in computer programming?
>
> I seem to remember that there's a classic one that's often recommended,
> but I don't remember the name.
>
> Python! Hooray!
>
> -Tal
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From brian at projectweekend.net  Tue Aug 14 21:51:18 2012
From: brian at projectweekend.net (Brian Hines)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:51:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
In-Reply-To: <CAE=pOyFy7=WHDwLJDz=K-jeoT+_uEu=L5PEYK7T8u=RFUa43bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <502AA016.402@threecrickets.com>
	<CA+Xrk5gnb7Kh5b9gK-QGcdzkRM5J_vWCHfJHP=sw3EOU4+6uAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAATXiXJ+QsO17rk86o8unAXOzcYRJoT_UgKdFHSQLbE8iomF7g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE=pOyFy7=WHDwLJDz=K-jeoT+_uEu=L5PEYK7T8u=RFUa43bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2380923041635042238@unknownmsgid>

I got a great start with udacity.com CS101 course (free and all
Python). It helped me visualize some concepts that I had a hard time
understanding in books to that point. They took everything from the
approach that you knew nothing about programming to start with. It was
awesome. Can't recommend it enough.

Brian :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Ben Toews <mastahyeti at gmail.com> wrote:

> I read Dive Into Python 10 years ago when I was starting with Python
> and I still recommend it. Great book
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dive Into Python has been pretty useful for me.
>>
>> http://www.diveintopython.net/
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Chad Homan <choman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> IMHO A byte of python is a great start
>>>
>>> On Aug 14, 2012 2:00 PM, "Tal Liron" <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone recommend a good book for self-learning Python for someone
>>>> with no background in computer programming?
>>>>
>>>> I seem to remember that there's a classic one that's often recommended,
>>>> but I don't remember the name.
>>>>
>>>> Python! Hooray!
>>>>
>>>> -Tal
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Tue Aug 14 21:52:58 2012
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:52:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
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From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:53:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
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> http://learnpythonthehardway.org
>

This is exactly what you want
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Aug 14 22:27:02 2012
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
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Oh neat! Funny, I tweeted your request and gvwilson replied, to
jokingly (or maybe not) recommend his coauthered intro to cs book (the
one I happen to have). The cool thing, though, is that he runs
software-carpentry workshops which are targeted towards teaching
scientists programming skills (along with version control and other
useful things).

Now that I know this about your friend I will ask gvwilson if he has
anything in particular to recommend, given the science bent. You might
take a look at the website, <http://software-carpentry.org/4_0/>.

What kind of science?

Also, is your friend interested in the topic of open science and in
running experiments for fun?


On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> Good question, I guess both. This person does have a strong background in
> science, but not computer science. They are hoping to use Python for
> SCIENCE. And TRUTH.
>
> P.S. How did you know it's not for me? ;)
>
>
> On 08/14/2012 02:50 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
>
> Does your friend want to learn about programming or about computer science
> (or both)?
>
> I bought an intro to cs book that uses python and if I find it you can take
> a look.
>
> On Aug 14, 2012 1:59 PM, "Tal Liron" <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can someone recommend a good book for self-learning Python for someone
>> with no background in computer programming?
>>
>> I seem to remember that there's a classic one that's often recommended,
>> but I don't remember the name.
>>
>> Python! Hooray!
>>
>> -Tal
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
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>
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Tue Aug 14 22:42:32 2012
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:42:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Aug 14 22:50:08 2012
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:50:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Learning Python for Non-Programmers
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If she is a neuroscientist at U of C I noticed that there is going to
be a software-carpentry workshop there in the early part of next year.

Also, neuroscience! wee.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> My friend is a neuroscientist. She extends her thanks and love to the "nerd
> community" for the recommendations.
>
> -T
>
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From aishahalim at gmail.com  Sun Aug 19 06:08:38 2012
From: aishahalim at gmail.com (Aisha Halim)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:08:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT - Chicago Python Workshop
Message-ID: <CAECD3CTD2-k2cYuB6-A1pOd_-=1fTdDR-c2DE=kw1-uTP+yA4g@mail.gmail.com>

So, thanks everyone from ChiPy for spreading the word regarding this
workshop: http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Python-Workshop/events/72904002/.
We had a great time despite the network issues (I think people learned
stuff...and got to meet new people, etc).

Also thanks Carl for getting Jason -- I freaked out.

We made announcements about various usergroups in the end of the
workshop so that people could, after getting their hands a little
dirty in code, go to some future ChiPy/PS1 etc meetings. Sheila's
going to do a closing email to the attendees with all the links, so if
you have anything to add to our existing list here, please do so:
https://openhatch.org/wiki/Chicago_Python_Workshop_1#Future

We also got a lot of feedback regarding ChiPy from a few people who go
already (but weren't really beginners -- just beginner programmers? I
heard two mentions of programming v. scripting which might be
something a lot of us who have been through the former, formally, take
for granted when setting up learning stuff/meetings/talks. So
something like, having a workshop like 'Pragmatic Programming, Live!',
might be nice?) about how great it is finding nerds who actually
understand you. Thanks for existing, in that respect, and going
consistently strong (best meetin--- http://i.imgur.com/Q4BEk.gif ).

Feedback on our hosting this might be more useful data to you, so
results from Sheila's survey, we'll update here as well in case that
gives you an idea about where we could fall in next time, if there is
a next time.

-Aisha

From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Sun Aug 19 14:45:03 2012
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 07:45:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT - Chicago Python Workshop
In-Reply-To: <CAECD3CTD2-k2cYuB6-A1pOd_-=1fTdDR-c2DE=kw1-uTP+yA4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAECD3CTD2-k2cYuB6-A1pOd_-=1fTdDR-c2DE=kw1-uTP+yA4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87mx1rnjay.fsf@earlgrey.lan>

I've heard good things also from some people who attended.  I'm really
thrilled to hear this went well!  :)

 - Chris

Aisha Halim writes:

> So, thanks everyone from ChiPy for spreading the word regarding this
> workshop: http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Python-Workshop/events/72904002/.
> We had a great time despite the network issues (I think people learned
> stuff...and got to meet new people, etc).
>
> Also thanks Carl for getting Jason -- I freaked out.
>
> We made announcements about various usergroups in the end of the
> workshop so that people could, after getting their hands a little
> dirty in code, go to some future ChiPy/PS1 etc meetings. Sheila's
> going to do a closing email to the attendees with all the links, so if
> you have anything to add to our existing list here, please do so:
> https://openhatch.org/wiki/Chicago_Python_Workshop_1#Future
>
> We also got a lot of feedback regarding ChiPy from a few people who go
> already (but weren't really beginners -- just beginner programmers? I
> heard two mentions of programming v. scripting which might be
> something a lot of us who have been through the former, formally, take
> for granted when setting up learning stuff/meetings/talks. So
> something like, having a workshop like 'Pragmatic Programming, Live!',
> might be nice?) about how great it is finding nerds who actually
> understand you. Thanks for existing, in that respect, and going
> consistently strong (best meetin--- http://i.imgur.com/Q4BEk.gif ).
>
> Feedback on our hosting this might be more useful data to you, so
> results from Sheila's survey, we'll update here as well in case that
> gives you an idea about where we could fall in next time, if there is
> a next time.
>
> -Aisha
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Aug 19 16:58:38 2012
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 09:58:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT - Chicago Python Workshop
In-Reply-To: <87mx1rnjay.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
References: <CAECD3CTD2-k2cYuB6-A1pOd_-=1fTdDR-c2DE=kw1-uTP+yA4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mx1rnjay.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
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Cool cool cool.

The pragmatic LIVE programming sounds like a good idea.

I also heard from some people that they want more beginner stuff -- we
had some programmers who didn't know python mixed in with people who
weren't programmers so maybe the class went a little too fast in
places. Next I think we should have a This Time It's Hello where I
will do Stroop Effect experiments on people and kick them out if their
reaction time proves that they are programmers.

OMG OMG OMG Thanks for helping everyone.

Ps. I wonder if there really is an equivalent of a Stroop effect for
programming that we can try.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
<cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:
> I've heard good things also from some people who attended.  I'm really
> thrilled to hear this went well!  :)
>
>  - Chris
>
> Aisha Halim writes:
>
>> So, thanks everyone from ChiPy for spreading the word regarding this
>> workshop: http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Python-Workshop/events/72904002/.
>> We had a great time despite the network issues (I think people learned
>> stuff...and got to meet new people, etc).
>>
>> Also thanks Carl for getting Jason -- I freaked out.
>>
>> We made announcements about various usergroups in the end of the
>> workshop so that people could, after getting their hands a little
>> dirty in code, go to some future ChiPy/PS1 etc meetings. Sheila's
>> going to do a closing email to the attendees with all the links, so if
>> you have anything to add to our existing list here, please do so:
>> https://openhatch.org/wiki/Chicago_Python_Workshop_1#Future
>>
>> We also got a lot of feedback regarding ChiPy from a few people who go
>> already (but weren't really beginners -- just beginner programmers? I
>> heard two mentions of programming v. scripting which might be
>> something a lot of us who have been through the former, formally, take
>> for granted when setting up learning stuff/meetings/talks. So
>> something like, having a workshop like 'Pragmatic Programming, Live!',
>> might be nice?) about how great it is finding nerds who actually
>> understand you. Thanks for existing, in that respect, and going
>> consistently strong (best meetin--- http://i.imgur.com/Q4BEk.gif ).
>>
>> Feedback on our hosting this might be more useful data to you, so
>> results from Sheila's survey, we'll update here as well in case that
>> gives you an idea about where we could fall in next time, if there is
>> a next time.
>>
>> -Aisha
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



-- 
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From aishahalim at gmail.com  Sun Aug 19 18:58:25 2012
From: aishahalim at gmail.com (Aisha Halim)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT - Chicago Python Workshop
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rayTpY-8iOgfHWMu9Yx4mUbUu=TCeHq8Riw645+=FYW-A@mail.gmail.com>
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> I also heard from some people that they want more beginner stuff -- we
> had some programmers who didn't know python mixed in with people who
> weren't programmers so maybe the class went a little too fast in
> places.

Very true. Actually, one of the attendees got fed up with all the
different modules etc, and took one of the existing scripts that
quizzed a user on state capitals and turned it into a quiz about dog
breeds. I think that was cool, since it was yes, a smaller goal, but
more importantly, there was some satisfaction of getting something
done rather than feeling behind. So, smaller, digestable goals would
be nice. We could use stroop effect experiments to maybe do concurrent
levels of projects? Not sure. I think starting project ideas from
scratch would be a bit better, because we could tailor it to our
audience and the environment.

Thanks Chris! We tried...so I mean, not everything went as planned,
but we've got to start somewhere.

From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Aug 19 19:43:38 2012
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT - Chicago Python Workshop
In-Reply-To: <CAECD3CQU9a=ZUOc81fuw9LPd563Q7dZqdGNth=WX9u7Lcrpa4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAECD3CTD2-k2cYuB6-A1pOd_-=1fTdDR-c2DE=kw1-uTP+yA4g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAHCs_rayTpY-8iOgfHWMu9Yx4mUbUu=TCeHq8Riw645+=FYW-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAECD3CQU9a=ZUOc81fuw9LPd563Q7dZqdGNth=WX9u7Lcrpa4g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Aisha Halim <aishahalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> We tried...so I mean, not everything went as planned,
> but we've got to start somewhere.

I asked Sheila if she would do it again, even if nothing improved.

"Yes."

That is my unit test of success.
-- 
Carl K

From vceder at gmail.com  Sun Aug 19 20:16:24 2012
From: vceder at gmail.com (Vern Ceder)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:16:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT - Chicago Python Workshop
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSShhxkej7OYGrn6bFnX1H98ChgUU9EDR2LtkCxiLbOyr7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAECD3CTD2-k2cYuB6-A1pOd_-=1fTdDR-c2DE=kw1-uTP+yA4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mx1rnjay.fsf@earlgrey.lan>
	<CAHCs_rayTpY-8iOgfHWMu9Yx4mUbUu=TCeHq8Riw645+=FYW-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAECD3CQU9a=ZUOc81fuw9LPd563Q7dZqdGNth=WX9u7Lcrpa4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADmzSShhxkej7OYGrn6bFnX1H98ChgUU9EDR2LtkCxiLbOyr7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAdq-kgGPZdSA3b-HNYCrm80bwWpmQXj+sDfrmqgcYNNqOb9jw@mail.gmail.com>

I've taught at many things like this over the years and (in spite of our
fair share of the usual "first time" glitches) it was indeed a resounding
success.


On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Aisha Halim <aishahalim at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We tried...so I mean, not everything went as planned,
> > but we've got to start somewhere.
>
> I asked Sheila if she would do it again, even if nothing improved.
>
> "Yes."
>
> That is my unit test of success.
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
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From DHanley at tekmarkinc.com  Thu Aug 23 17:51:45 2012
From: DHanley at tekmarkinc.com (Hanley, Denise (Tekmark Global Solutions))
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:51:45 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Bank of America Python Position
Message-ID: <463BDACD927BE34A99D1C17899D22E3C0483FC89@spike.tekmarkinc.com>

Hi All-  Bank of America in Downtown Chicago is looking for a Python
developer. It is a long term contract with potential of going fulltime
after 18 Months. If you know any one that might be interested please
contact me. 

Thanks

Denise
dhanley at tekmarkinc.com

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From brian at python.org  Thu Aug 23 18:17:57 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:17:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Bank of America Python Position
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Hanley, Denise (Tekmark Global
Solutions) <DHanley at tekmarkinc.com> wrote:
> Hi All-  Bank of America in Downtown Chicago is looking for a Python
> developer. It is a long term contract with potential of going fulltime
> after 18 Months. If you know any one that might be interested please
> contact me.

Do you have any more detail than "18 month Python job"?

(I'm not interested, just trying to get more information for those who
may be looking.)

From DHanley at tekmarkinc.com  Thu Aug 23 18:24:22 2012
From: DHanley at tekmarkinc.com (Hanley, Denise (Tekmark Global Solutions))
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] More information Description Bank of America Python
	Developer Position
Message-ID: <463BDACD927BE34A99D1C17899D22E3C0483FCCF@spike.tekmarkinc.com>

 

We seek an experienced Python system developer to assist in the delivery of a challenging document generation and workflow platform in the derivatives space. 

Role Specific Responsibilities: 
The candidate will be a developer responsible for contributing to all phases of the SDLC including analysis, design, development, QA, UAT, and tier-2 production support. Candidate will interact with architects, business analysts, and developers within and outside of GMOT. 

Required Technical Skills: 
? 3+ years Object Oriented Programming experience 
? 2+ years Python programming 
? 2+ years XML experience 
? Experience with SQL databases 
? Working knowledge of Unix/Linux 
? Agile development life-cycle experience 

Personal Skills: 
? Structured & logical thinking 
? Problem solving 
? Results oriented 
? Client focus 
Independent, self-motivated 
Strong communication (written & verbal) 

Project Description: 
The client is building a new document generation and workflow system to more closely align with the needs of the business. The new system will be tightly integrated with a quickly evolving cross-asset strategic trading and processing platform being developed.  The document generation piece is to be handled through a third party vendor product tightly coupled into the python based infrastructure and workflow framework.  In addition to paper documentation generation, the system is also being built to support electronic confirmation and matching through DTCC and SWIFT.

Team Specific Structure and Responsibilities: 
Client has developers based in Chicago, New York, and India, and Projects teams in Charlotte and London. Coordination across all regions and front office development teams will be required to deliver a trade confirmation solution that will provide central and efficient confirm generation for various financial products.

  



 

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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 00:45:49 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:45:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice or
suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it and
the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
programmer about to get into java chipy?
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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 28 00:58:52 2012
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:58:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
> programmer about to get into java chipy?

Jython?

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:09:37 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:09:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+aUD_ydOK+XsUc64xBQ4okbbPwX8C4E4_Mn+0DqH+RacQ@mail.gmail.com>

ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> > I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
> > or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of
> it
> > and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where
> to
> > start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a
> python
> > programmer about to get into java chipy?
>
> Jython?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:11:23 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1znXXLP_HNuj0T6qCKmb66RQq5OJrsEqtuv24DYXQCcWJw@mail.gmail.com>

http://knuth.luther.edu/~bmiller/Java4Python/index.html ?
---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung



On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice or
> suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it and
> the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:13:22 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+aUD_ydOK+XsUc64xBQ4okbbPwX8C4E4_Mn+0DqH+RacQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+aUD_ydOK+XsUc64xBQ4okbbPwX8C4E4_Mn+0DqH+RacQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1z=cAEOg5kDvnwjmVQPBHUW+8aUh0CxZMUap1YyuROtuEg@mail.gmail.com>

You can do this though http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung



On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
>> > or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of
>> > it
>> > and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where
>> > to
>> > start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a
>> > python
>> > programmer about to get into java chipy?
>>
>> Jython?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From mastahyeti at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:15:02 2012
From: mastahyeti at gmail.com (Ben Toews)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE=pOyF_hHZ+NtwHsfHUOCoC9Chyxs2h5Fti9LLbmy7yMUKCbQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://bit.ly/OkKHvm   <--- great resource

I'm only being a little bit sarcastic with that response. Seriously
though, every time I am trying to learn a new language I search for
"XYZ for python programmers" and usually find something good..

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
>> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
>> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
>> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
>> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>
> Jython?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



-- 
-Ben Toews

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Tue Aug 28 01:16:47 2012
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:16:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <503BFFDF.6010000@threecrickets.com>

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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:17:45 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:17:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAE=pOyF_hHZ+NtwHsfHUOCoC9Chyxs2h5Fti9LLbmy7yMUKCbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE=pOyF_hHZ+NtwHsfHUOCoC9Chyxs2h5Fti9LLbmy7yMUKCbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+Y++q+_bZQ3WrxL5kdjP22qdqXYFuFWh+zc45W+xyiRQg@mail.gmail.com>

I had actually done that exact search.  But knowing so little I wanted to
plumb the depths of chipy first before hunkering down and spending time on
any one resource thus found.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Ben Toews <mastahyeti at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://bit.ly/OkKHvm   <--- great resource
>
> I'm only being a little bit sarcastic with that response. Seriously
> though, every time I am trying to learn a new language I search for
> "XYZ for python programmers" and usually find something good..
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> >> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
> >> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of
> it
> >> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on
> where to
> >> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a
> python
> >> programmer about to get into java chipy?
> >
> > Jython?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> -Ben Toews
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:20:07 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:20:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <503BFFDF.6010000@threecrickets.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<503BFFDF.6010000@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+azs_LiQAtuVqsHUKEGV6ErGSnHSXPPKdEvKO1p7ee=mQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you very much Tal.  I've been slowly, painfully trying to setup
eclipse and my dev environment.  also, permissions in xml?  fascinating.



On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  I suggest starting with installing Eclipse and the Android development
> plugin for it. There's a lot to learn in terms of just setting up the dev
> environment.
>
> Then, follow a simple Hello World tutorial and deploy to a virtual Android
> running on your OS. I think the bigger learning curve is understanding
> various specifics to Android packaging, such as working with resources,
> defining your application's structure and permissions in XML, and
> understanding "intents."
>
> Then, work on deploying to an actual Android device. It's not trivial.
>
> Once you get the loop going, I feel that learning Java will be the least
> of your worries.
>
> -Tal
>
>
> On 08/27/2012 05:45 PM, Daniel Peters wrote:
>
> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing listChicago at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:20:49 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:20:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1znXXLP_HNuj0T6qCKmb66RQq5OJrsEqtuv24DYXQCcWJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1znXXLP_HNuj0T6qCKmb66RQq5OJrsEqtuv24DYXQCcWJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+aGqTUf_A=9EUir1=5jTkJ1ATjx=dbDJF7QMk9NmAxd6A@mail.gmail.com>

awesome, I had found this one as well but hadn't really dug in.  I'll spend
some time with this one for sure.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> http://knuth.luther.edu/~bmiller/Java4Python/index.html ?
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
> or
> > suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
> and
> > the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
> > start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a
> python
> > programmer about to get into java chipy?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From pkaushik at alum.mit.edu  Tue Aug 28 01:23:44 2012
From: pkaushik at alum.mit.edu (Pallavi Anderson)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:23:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <503BFFDF.6010000@threecrickets.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<503BFFDF.6010000@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+pH7F49sS-xm7NTs01SnZqcXcFofwVAZ0muk1uUqWM=WuCGA@mail.gmail.com>

+1 on getting your environment set up and a basic application deployed to
your device and picking up more Java as needed. Although I chose the
command line route when I was first learning to program Android. Either
way, getting something on the device is a good starting point.



On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  I suggest starting with installing Eclipse and the Android development
> plugin for it. There's a lot to learn in terms of just setting up the dev
> environment.
>
> Then, follow a simple Hello World tutorial and deploy to a virtual Android
> running on your OS. I think the bigger learning curve is understanding
> various specifics to Android packaging, such as working with resources,
> defining your application's structure and permissions in XML, and
> understanding "intents."
>
> Then, work on deploying to an actual Android device. It's not trivial.
>
> Once you get the loop going, I feel that learning Java will be the least
> of your worries.
>
> -Tal
>
>
> On 08/27/2012 05:45 PM, Daniel Peters wrote:
>
> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing listChicago at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 28 01:36:00 2012
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:36:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+aUD_ydOK+XsUc64xBQ4okbbPwX8C4E4_Mn+0DqH+RacQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+aUD_ydOK+XsUc64xBQ4okbbPwX8C4E4_Mn+0DqH+RacQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANc-5Uy+K2pkuQp0wud=+nDRwYBOVn+P99hWt5CKijmfOdvC-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.

So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm not a
Java programmer either) aren't used?

Skip

From livne at uchicago.edu  Tue Aug 28 01:02:19 2012
From: livne at uchicago.edu (Oren Livne)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:02:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <503BFC7B.8090102@uchicago.edu>

Save your strength :)
--The guy who spent 7 years coding and loving Java and switched to 
python and was then enlightened...

On 8/27/2012 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters wrote:
> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any 
> advice or suggestions on a solid primer on java. I've never written a 
> line of it and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me 
> overwhelmed on where to start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), 
> what would you say to a python programmer about to get into java chipy?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:45:19 2012
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:45:19 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5Uy+K2pkuQp0wud=+nDRwYBOVn+P99hWt5CKijmfOdvC-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5UwQzwvFTEmG8u2UrKVRS+cWLr30CvMS+eT_0h3bAvC1Pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+aUD_ydOK+XsUc64xBQ4okbbPwX8C4E4_Mn+0DqH+RacQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5Uy+K2pkuQp0wud=+nDRwYBOVn+P99hWt5CKijmfOdvC-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRnB2VAdHBpgQVi+gHGn8vU3AAm7xg-P4_PDsAWXtrw431FJA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
>
> So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm not a
> Java programmer either) aren't used?
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

No, Android does not use a JVM, it uses it's own VM, called Dalvik which
has it's own bytecode and is not interoperable with the JVM.

Alex

-- 
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Tue Aug 28 01:50:32 2012
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CANc-5Uy+K2pkuQp0wud=+nDRwYBOVn+P99hWt5CKijmfOdvC-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAHzLg+aUD_ydOK+XsUc64xBQ4okbbPwX8C4E4_Mn+0DqH+RacQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANc-5Uy+K2pkuQp0wud=+nDRwYBOVn+P99hWt5CKijmfOdvC-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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From brousch at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 01:56:54 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:56:54 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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There are a few ways of programming for Android with Python. Someone
already mentioned Py4A (http://code.google.com/p/python-for-android/)
associated with SL4A, but there's also Kivy (http://kivy.org/),
android-python27 (http://code.google.com/p/android-python27/), the
PyGame subset for Android (http://pygame.renpy.org/), and Ren'py
(http://www.renpy.org/). If the videos from a certain conference in
Ohio were up I could point you to the talk I gave there on this topic.
One of my goals is to make a Python IDE on Android for creating
Android apps.

-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 02:10:01 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:10:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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sounds pretty cool!

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are a few ways of programming for Android with Python. Someone
> already mentioned Py4A (http://code.google.com/p/python-for-android/)
> associated with SL4A, but there's also Kivy (http://kivy.org/),
> android-python27 (http://code.google.com/p/android-python27/), the
> PyGame subset for Android (http://pygame.renpy.org/), and Ren'py
> (http://www.renpy.org/). If the videos from a certain conference in
> Ohio were up I could point you to the talk I gave there on this topic.
> One of my goals is to make a Python IDE on Android for creating
> Android apps.
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 02:12:19 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:12:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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I'm passingly familiar with the other options for developing, sencha,
phonegap,  appcelarator(i think..?). but had the same feeling, learn a
native approach first and then perhaps move on to these other less
cumbersome ways.  Thanks for the suggestions.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  Android supports only a subset of the Java API, which means that many
> Java libraries will not work. Jython is one of them. Also worth pointing
> out that Jython is *huge*, and its startup time is also significant. Even
> if it did work on Android, as a dependency it would seem unreasonably heavy
> for most apps.
>
> It might be worth pointing out that my favorite way to develop mobile apps
> is in JavaScript, using Sencha Touch:
>
> http://www.sencha.com/products/touch
>
> Sencha Touch has recently started to support direct deployment, but I
> deploy using PhoneGap (with a few custom plugins):
>
> http://phonegap.com/
>
> There are pros and cons to this approach, but for many of my uses the pros
> outweigh the cons. All that said, I would still work on learning the
> Eclipse dev environment.
>
> -Tal
>
>
> On 08/27/2012 06:36 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
>
>  So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm not a
> Java programmer either) aren't used?
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing listChicago at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From brousch at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 02:26:09 2012
From: brousch at gmail.com (Ben Rousch)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:26:09 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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For extra fun you can compile Python to Javascript via PyJS then dump
it into a PhoneGap app. It works!

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm passingly familiar with the other options for developing, sencha,
> phonegap,  appcelarator(i think..?). but had the same feeling, learn a
> native approach first and then perhaps move on to these other less
> cumbersome ways.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Android supports only a subset of the Java API, which means that many Java
>> libraries will not work. Jython is one of them. Also worth pointing out that
>> Jython is *huge*, and its startup time is also significant. Even if it did
>> work on Android, as a dependency it would seem unreasonably heavy for most
>> apps.
>>
>> It might be worth pointing out that my favorite way to develop mobile apps
>> is in JavaScript, using Sencha Touch:
>>
>> http://www.sencha.com/products/touch
>>
>> Sencha Touch has recently started to support direct deployment, but I
>> deploy using PhoneGap (with a few custom plugins):
>>
>> http://phonegap.com/
>>
>> There are pros and cons to this approach, but for many of my uses the pros
>> outweigh the cons. All that said, I would still work on learning the Eclipse
>> dev environment.
>>
>> -Tal
>>
>>
>> On 08/27/2012 06:36 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
>>
>> So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm not a
>> Java programmer either) aren't used?
>>
>> Skip
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Tue Aug 28 02:33:31 2012
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:33:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 02:46:33 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:46:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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though I've sworn in blood never to type a certain three letter acronym, I
very much did laugh out loud at this.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:

> For extra fun you can compile Python to Javascript via PyJS then dump
> it into a PhoneGap app. It works!
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm passingly familiar with the other options for developing, sencha,
> > phonegap,  appcelarator(i think..?). but had the same feeling, learn a
> > native approach first and then perhaps move on to these other less
> > cumbersome ways.  Thanks for the suggestions.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Android supports only a subset of the Java API, which means that many
> Java
> >> libraries will not work. Jython is one of them. Also worth pointing out
> that
> >> Jython is *huge*, and its startup time is also significant. Even if it
> did
> >> work on Android, as a dependency it would seem unreasonably heavy for
> most
> >> apps.
> >>
> >> It might be worth pointing out that my favorite way to develop mobile
> apps
> >> is in JavaScript, using Sencha Touch:
> >>
> >> http://www.sencha.com/products/touch
> >>
> >> Sencha Touch has recently started to support direct deployment, but I
> >> deploy using PhoneGap (with a few custom plugins):
> >>
> >> http://phonegap.com/
> >>
> >> There are pros and cons to this approach, but for many of my uses the
> pros
> >> outweigh the cons. All that said, I would still work on learning the
> Eclipse
> >> dev environment.
> >>
> >> -Tal
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/27/2012 06:36 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
> >>
> >> So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm not a
> >> Java programmer either) aren't used?
> >>
> >> Skip
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/
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> Chicago mailing list
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From ericmills2 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 03:08:11 2012
From: ericmills2 at gmail.com (Eric Mills)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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Why not try Kivy <http://kivy.org/#home>? It is cross platform and you can
make the app into an iPhone app, Anrdroid, Linux, Window, and OSX.

Haven't used it yet, but I will once I find an app to build. It's still in
its early stages thus far, but very promising.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> though I've sworn in blood never to type a certain three letter acronym, I
> very much did laugh out loud at this.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For extra fun you can compile Python to Javascript via PyJS then dump
>> it into a PhoneGap app. It works!
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm passingly familiar with the other options for developing, sencha,
>> > phonegap,  appcelarator(i think..?). but had the same feeling, learn a
>> > native approach first and then perhaps move on to these other less
>> > cumbersome ways.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Android supports only a subset of the Java API, which means that many
>> Java
>> >> libraries will not work. Jython is one of them. Also worth pointing
>> out that
>> >> Jython is *huge*, and its startup time is also significant. Even if it
>> did
>> >> work on Android, as a dependency it would seem unreasonably heavy for
>> most
>> >> apps.
>> >>
>> >> It might be worth pointing out that my favorite way to develop mobile
>> apps
>> >> is in JavaScript, using Sencha Touch:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.sencha.com/products/touch
>> >>
>> >> Sencha Touch has recently started to support direct deployment, but I
>> >> deploy using PhoneGap (with a few custom plugins):
>> >>
>> >> http://phonegap.com/
>> >>
>> >> There are pros and cons to this approach, but for many of my uses the
>> pros
>> >> outweigh the cons. All that said, I would still work on learning the
>> Eclipse
>> >> dev environment.
>> >>
>> >> -Tal
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 08/27/2012 06:36 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters <
>> danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
>> >>
>> >> So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm not a
>> >> Java programmer either) aren't used?
>> >>
>> >> Skip
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Ben Rousch
>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 03:32:59 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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interesting, hadn't heard of this one yet. good lookin out sir

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Eric Mills <ericmills2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not try Kivy <http://kivy.org/#home>? It is cross platform and you
> can make the app into an iPhone app, Anrdroid, Linux, Window, and OSX.
>
> Haven't used it yet, but I will once I find an app to build. It's still in
> its early stages thus far, but very promising.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> though I've sworn in blood never to type a certain three letter acronym,
>> I very much did laugh out loud at this.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For extra fun you can compile Python to Javascript via PyJS then dump
>>> it into a PhoneGap app. It works!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I'm passingly familiar with the other options for developing, sencha,
>>> > phonegap,  appcelarator(i think..?). but had the same feeling, learn a
>>> > native approach first and then perhaps move on to these other less
>>> > cumbersome ways.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Tal Liron <
>>> tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Android supports only a subset of the Java API, which means that many
>>> Java
>>> >> libraries will not work. Jython is one of them. Also worth pointing
>>> out that
>>> >> Jython is *huge*, and its startup time is also significant. Even if
>>> it did
>>> >> work on Android, as a dependency it would seem unreasonably heavy for
>>> most
>>> >> apps.
>>> >>
>>> >> It might be worth pointing out that my favorite way to develop mobile
>>> apps
>>> >> is in JavaScript, using Sencha Touch:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.sencha.com/products/touch
>>> >>
>>> >> Sencha Touch has recently started to support direct deployment, but I
>>> >> deploy using PhoneGap (with a few custom plugins):
>>> >>
>>> >> http://phonegap.com/
>>> >>
>>> >> There are pros and cons to this approach, but for many of my uses the
>>> pros
>>> >> outweigh the cons. All that said, I would still work on learning the
>>> Eclipse
>>> >> dev environment.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Tal
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 08/27/2012 06:36 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters <
>>> danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
>>> >>
>>> >> So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm not a
>>> >> Java programmer either) aren't used?
>>> >>
>>> >> Skip
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Ben Rousch
>>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> College of ENG, Computer Science
> UnaBellaVita, Chief Information Officer
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 03:36:43 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:36:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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If you go the java route check out my open source android app.
https://github.com/zitterbewegung/Redtxt

It sends encrypted text messages and has examples of how to do some
basic things with android.
---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung



On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> interesting, hadn't heard of this one yet. good lookin out sir
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Eric Mills <ericmills2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why not try Kivy? It is cross platform and you can make the app into an
>> iPhone app, Anrdroid, Linux, Window, and OSX.
>>
>> Haven't used it yet, but I will once I find an app to build. It's still in
>> its early stages thus far, but very promising.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> though I've sworn in blood never to type a certain three letter acronym,
>>> I very much did laugh out loud at this.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For extra fun you can compile Python to Javascript via PyJS then dump
>>>> it into a PhoneGap app. It works!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I'm passingly familiar with the other options for developing, sencha,
>>>> > phonegap,  appcelarator(i think..?). but had the same feeling, learn a
>>>> > native approach first and then perhaps move on to these other less
>>>> > cumbersome ways.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Tal Liron
>>>> > <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Android supports only a subset of the Java API, which means that many
>>>> >> Java
>>>> >> libraries will not work. Jython is one of them. Also worth pointing
>>>> >> out that
>>>> >> Jython is *huge*, and its startup time is also significant. Even if
>>>> >> it did
>>>> >> work on Android, as a dependency it would seem unreasonably heavy for
>>>> >> most
>>>> >> apps.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It might be worth pointing out that my favorite way to develop mobile
>>>> >> apps
>>>> >> is in JavaScript, using Sencha Touch:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.sencha.com/products/touch
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sencha Touch has recently started to support direct deployment, but I
>>>> >> deploy using PhoneGap (with a few custom plugins):
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://phonegap.com/
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There are pros and cons to this approach, but for many of my uses the
>>>> >> pros
>>>> >> outweigh the cons. All that said, I would still work on learning the
>>>> >> Eclipse
>>>> >> dev environment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Tal
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 08/27/2012 06:36 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters
>>>> >> <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm not a
>>>> >> Java programmer either) aren't used?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Skip
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>  Ben Rousch
>>>>    brousch at gmail.com
>>>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Eric Mills
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>> College of ENG, Computer Science
>> UnaBellaVita, Chief Information Officer
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 03:51:16 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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as asinine as this sounds I hadn't even thought about searching through
github.  Thanks for the thought, this is perfect man.  Much appreciated.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> If you go the java route check out my open source android app.
> https://github.com/zitterbewegung/Redtxt
>
> It sends encrypted text messages and has examples of how to do some
> basic things with android.
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > interesting, hadn't heard of this one yet. good lookin out sir
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Eric Mills <ericmills2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why not try Kivy? It is cross platform and you can make the app into an
> >> iPhone app, Anrdroid, Linux, Window, and OSX.
> >>
> >> Haven't used it yet, but I will once I find an app to build. It's still
> in
> >> its early stages thus far, but very promising.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> though I've sworn in blood never to type a certain three letter
> acronym,
> >>> I very much did laugh out loud at this.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> For extra fun you can compile Python to Javascript via PyJS then dump
> >>>> it into a PhoneGap app. It works!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Peters <
> danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > I'm passingly familiar with the other options for developing,
> sencha,
> >>>> > phonegap,  appcelarator(i think..?). but had the same feeling,
> learn a
> >>>> > native approach first and then perhaps move on to these other less
> >>>> > cumbersome ways.  Thanks for the suggestions.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Tal Liron
> >>>> > <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Android supports only a subset of the Java API, which means that
> many
> >>>> >> Java
> >>>> >> libraries will not work. Jython is one of them. Also worth pointing
> >>>> >> out that
> >>>> >> Jython is *huge*, and its startup time is also significant. Even if
> >>>> >> it did
> >>>> >> work on Android, as a dependency it would seem unreasonably heavy
> for
> >>>> >> most
> >>>> >> apps.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> It might be worth pointing out that my favorite way to develop
> mobile
> >>>> >> apps
> >>>> >> is in JavaScript, using Sencha Touch:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> http://www.sencha.com/products/touch
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Sencha Touch has recently started to support direct deployment,
> but I
> >>>> >> deploy using PhoneGap (with a few custom plugins):
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> http://phonegap.com/
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> There are pros and cons to this approach, but for many of my uses
> the
> >>>> >> pros
> >>>> >> outweigh the cons. All that said, I would still work on learning
> the
> >>>> >> Eclipse
> >>>> >> dev environment.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -Tal
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 08/27/2012 06:36 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Peters
> >>>> >> <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ha.  Don't think you can use jython on android...mores the pity.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> So in Android the compiled Java things (class or jar files? I'm
> not a
> >>>> >> Java programmer either) aren't used?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Skip
> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>> >> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> >> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>> >> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> >> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > _______________________________________________
> >>>> > Chicago mailing list
> >>>> > Chicago at python.org
> >>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>  Ben Rousch
> >>>>    brousch at gmail.com
> >>>>    http://clusterbleep.net/
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eric Mills
> >> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> >> College of ENG, Computer Science
> >> UnaBellaVita, Chief Information Officer
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 07:06:40 2012
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:06:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>
>
Hey Daniel.
You should forget Java and use PhoneGap http://phonegap.com/ The side
effect is that you'll also have an iOS app when you're done ;) These
proprietary stacks need to die. You might run into issues where you have to
go a native route but it's worth a try first to see how far you get.

Kumar
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From jp at zavteq.com  Tue Aug 28 16:09:31 2012
From: jp at zavteq.com (JP Bader)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:09:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CA+VOWAEefxf1LZ6z-LJBWfP070gXt8jiT+AiKgdnAP+hsm61cA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll get slammed for saying this, but Adobe AIR can also be compiled
down to an .apk and run natively on Android.  You could write
something in AS3 or the Flex Framework (now on Apache 4.8 release) and
run it there.  It's very accessible and quick to learn, however there
are a lot of caveats (but that's with any language).

JP

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
>> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
>> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
>> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
>> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>>
>
> Hey Daniel.
> You should forget Java and use PhoneGap http://phonegap.com/ The side effect
> is that you'll also have an iOS app when you're done ;) These proprietary
> stacks need to die. You might run into issues where you have to go a native
> route but it's worth a try first to see how far you get.
>
> Kumar
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
JP Bader
Principal
Zavteq, Inc.
@lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
608.692.2468

From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 16:37:18 2012
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:37:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAOL2cRQuQ9XkG9kHYpXrdM-JpR+cKnP4kwpv5P+nYVzoVmyHQw@mail.gmail.com>
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How good is phonegap for accessing camera, bluetooth, nfc or other sensors?
[So convenient to ask than RTFM-ing + trying it out ... lazy_me]

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:09 AM, JP Bader <jp at zavteq.com> wrote:
> I'll get slammed for saying this, but Adobe AIR can also be compiled
> down to an .apk and run natively on Android.  You could write
> something in AS3 or the Flex Framework (now on Apache 4.8 release) and
> run it there.  It's very accessible and quick to learn, however there
> are a lot of caveats (but that's with any language).
>
> JP
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Kumar McMillan
> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
>>> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
>>> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
>>> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
>>> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>>>
>>
>> Hey Daniel.
>> You should forget Java and use PhoneGap http://phonegap.com/ The side effect
>> is that you'll also have an iOS app when you're done ;) These proprietary
>> stacks need to die. You might run into issues where you have to go a native
>> route but it's worth a try first to see how far you get.
>>
>> Kumar
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



-- 
Cheers,
T

From chad at glendenin.com  Tue Aug 28 17:04:32 2012
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:04:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
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Message-ID: <503CDE00.5090603@glendenin.com>

I've found that PhoneGap works well with the camera. Also, Sencha Touch 
has some wrapper functions to access native features 
(http://docs.sencha.com/touch/2-0/#!/guide/native_apis).


Tathagata Dasgupta wrote:
> How good is phonegap for accessing camera, bluetooth, nfc or other sensors?
> [So convenient to ask than RTFM-ing + trying it out ... lazy_me]
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:09 AM, JP Bader<jp at zavteq.com>  wrote:
>> I'll get slammed for saying this, but Adobe AIR can also be compiled
>> down to an .apk and run natively on Android.  You could write
>> something in AS3 or the Flex Framework (now on Apache 4.8 release) and
>> run it there.  It's very accessible and quick to learn, however there
>> are a lot of caveats (but that's with any language).
>>
>> JP
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Kumar McMillan
>> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters<danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
>>>> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
>>>> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
>>>> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
>>>> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>>>>
>>> Hey Daniel.
>>> You should forget Java and use PhoneGap http://phonegap.com/ The side effect
>>> is that you'll also have an iOS app when you're done ;) These proprietary
>>> stacks need to die. You might run into issues where you have to go a native
>>> route but it's worth a try first to see how far you get.
>>>
>>> Kumar
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JP Bader
>> Principal
>> Zavteq, Inc.
>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>> 608.692.2468
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 03:11:44 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <503CDE00.5090603@glendenin.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+VOWAEefxf1LZ6z-LJBWfP070gXt8jiT+AiKgdnAP+hsm61cA@mail.gmail.com>
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Ya'll this is such an awesome list of information.  I appreciate it so much.

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:

> I've found that PhoneGap works well with the camera. Also, Sencha Touch
> has some wrapper functions to access native features (
> http://docs.sencha.com/touch/**2-0/#!/guide/native_apis<http://docs.sencha.com/touch/2-0/#%21/guide/native_apis>
> ).
>
>
>
> Tathagata Dasgupta wrote:
>
>> How good is phonegap for accessing camera, bluetooth, nfc or other
>> sensors?
>> [So convenient to ask than RTFM-ing + trying it out ... lazy_me]
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:09 AM, JP Bader<jp at zavteq.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> I'll get slammed for saying this, but Adobe AIR can also be compiled
>>> down to an .apk and run natively on Android.  You could write
>>> something in AS3 or the Flex Framework (now on Apache 4.8 release) and
>>> run it there.  It's very accessible and quick to learn, however there
>>> are a lot of caveats (but that's with any language).
>>>
>>> JP
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Kumar McMillan
>>> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters<danieltpeters at gmail.com*
>>>> *>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any
>>>>> advice
>>>>> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line
>>>>> of it
>>>>> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on
>>>>> where to
>>>>> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a
>>>>> python
>>>>> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hey Daniel.
>>>> You should forget Java and use PhoneGap http://phonegap.com/ The side
>>>> effect
>>>> is that you'll also have an iOS app when you're done ;) These
>>>> proprietary
>>>> stacks need to die. You might run into issues where you have to go a
>>>> native
>>>> route but it's worth a try first to see how far you get.
>>>>
>>>> Kumar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/chicago<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> JP Bader
>>> Principal
>>> Zavteq, Inc.
>>> @lordB8r | jp at zavteq.com
>>> 608.692.2468
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/chicago<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ______________________________**_________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 03:12:24 2012
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:12:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CA+VOWAEefxf1LZ6z-LJBWfP070gXt8jiT+AiKgdnAP+hsm61cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+VOWAEefxf1LZ6z-LJBWfP070gXt8jiT+AiKgdnAP+hsm61cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+ZdE8OMaKmTkpNWKf2WhXw_9-yZhp1i2TpoQ5xZ_rcFow@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying it man.  For sure.

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
>> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
>> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
>> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
>> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>>
>>
> Hey Daniel.
> You should forget Java and use PhoneGap http://phonegap.com/ The side
> effect is that you'll also have an iOS app when you're done ;) These
> proprietary stacks need to die. You might run into issues where you have to
> go a native route but it's worth a try first to see how far you get.
>
> Kumar
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From blue.dog.archolite at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 03:13:07 2012
From: blue.dog.archolite at gmail.com (Robert Meyer)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:13:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLg+bOqTzCQjSv3f_F9Z18sqqSBjpVycp+cLVrQH-d3eAKrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAK-XciXON7qVw5CpBnByi3eWTWiq7rKUXNCstz0xF8xu+2wkg@mail.gmail.com>

Cry
On Aug 27, 2012 5:46 PM, "Daniel Peters" <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm about to dive into some android development and could use any advice
> or suggestions on a solid primer on java.  I've never written a line of it
> and the brief bit of googling I've done has left me overwhelmed on where to
> start.  So aside from the obvious ("Don't"), what would you say to a python
> programmer about to get into java chipy?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Aug 29 03:15:29 2012
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Suggestions/Advice?
In-Reply-To: <503CDE00.5090603@glendenin.com>
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From Alexander.Zalewski at workbridgeassociates.com  Wed Aug 29 17:38:01 2012
From: Alexander.Zalewski at workbridgeassociates.com (Alexander Zalewski)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:38:01 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Shooting in the Dark
Message-ID: <AD436480FF3D744C96EA46462885AA373A886CDF@mrp-mail1>

Hey everyone,

My name is Alex and I work on a team that places QA and Test Engineers in the Chicago area. Right now I'm looking to fill a Test Engineer role in the Loop. The company needs someone with who is strong with automation, primarily using Python. Would anyone here or anyone in your network be interested in a role like this? It is a full-time role with a billion-dollar company right downtown.

--

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Contact
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From george.hernandez at iclops.com  Wed Aug  8 20:27:37 2012
From: george.hernandez at iclops.com (George Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:27:37 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for Python Web Developer
Message-ID: <CAEvoWDM-CKDwfREd5=nD6hdtGgnpshye-xR+vRwApJvW8u9gwA@mail.gmail.com>

We're currently looking for a Chicago area Python Web Developer. We use
Django, Linux & Windows, MS SQL Server (sorry!), and Sencha ExtJS on the
front end.

http://www.iclops.com/ic/Whats-New/Careers-2012-07-021-Python-Applications-Developer.php


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From Lubna.Quraishi at corvisa.com  Fri Aug 10 00:06:24 2012
From: Lubna.Quraishi at corvisa.com (Quraishi, Lubna)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:06:24 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] Python Developer Opportunity - Fulltime or Contract
Message-ID: <3E2AD8DFD39F6E488EAABCEFE33C1C37EB504C@ITKOPEXBV02.it.corp>

Hello there,

I am referred to this group by one of the group members. I am an internal Recruiter working for a growing Technology Company - Corvisa in Milwaukee area. We are seeking to add to our team Senior Python Developer as well as Junior - Mid Python Developers and also open to adding Consultants. Please find the attached job description.

Corvisa Services is a rapidly growing technology and creative division for the Novation Companies, a series of companies dedicated to innovation and pushing the status quo. We're lucky to have the best of both worlds - a start-up mentality with the resources and leadership of a big business.

We are in Downtown Milwaukee in Schlitz Park near Bradley Center. All employees have free parking, 2000 sqft game room and a state of the art facility. We are a fun place to work! casual work environment!

Please share this opportunity with Chicago Python Users Group mailing list.
I look forward to your response.
Have a fabulous day ahead!
Lubna

Lubna Quraishi, PHR| Corvisa Services | Recruitment Consultant
1610 N 2nd St, Milwaukee, WI 53212 | p: 414.431.5644 | c: 414.510.7438 |
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From mhaeussler at ashleyellis.com  Wed Aug 22 23:20:37 2012
From: mhaeussler at ashleyellis.com (Matt Haeussler)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:20:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Python Opportunity
Message-ID: <012201cd80ab$f9ae6010$ed0b2030$@ashleyellis.com>

Good afternoon,

 

I'm Matt Haeussler, a technical recruiter in the area.  I recently reached
out to a few group members on LinkedIn and they suggested I email the group
about an opportunity I'm currently working on.  I've included notes on the
opportunity below, please take a look and let me know if you're interested.
I would be happy to provide more information.

 

The organization is ready to bring on a qualified person as quickly as
possible and the Director is someone I have worked with in the past.

 

Join a Chicago based non-profit with a mission to improve education in urban
public schools nationwide.  This team of 25 is backed by a very prestigious
University and they have created a number of tools for schools that have
already proven to be successful.  Currently they're looking for a Sr. Python
Developer.

 

The Sr. Python Developer will jump in and immediately start work on on-going
and new projects.  The CEO is doing all of the development right now and the
Sr. Developer will be looked upon to take over the reins. They'll have a
number of different projects to work on and will need experience with
Python, Django and MySQL.  Any experience with mobile development and/or
Amazon Web Services would be helpful but is not required. 

 

This will be a good fit for someone who believes in improving urban public
education.  They want people who don't have egos, like to work in teams and
have an open mind.  In addition to a great environment, this non-profit also
have benefits that start on day one.

The Sr. Python Developer will go up to 90K DOE

 

-Matt Haeussler  

 

 <http://www.ashleyellis.com/matt-haeussler>
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IT Search Executive. 

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 18:29:07 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:29:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Posting jobs to list and finding work through ChiPy
Message-ID: <CANKg38v2iabBSPsFW6qCiFYQ68LbtSt2zHQsMGhK4ahFRrwzpA@mail.gmail.com>

Right now, we are allowing job posts for Python jobs in Chicago (must
be in Chicago) on the ChiPy list.

We recommend a donation of $500-$1000 per hire to ChiPy from the HR
company or the Employer. With this money we fund meetings and do
things like send students to PyCon. It is a donation; however, we will
certainly put more work into this as volunteers and stand behind our
placements--yes, all those who run ChiPy are volunteers such as
myself. You can also sponsor meetings and that will give you an
opportunity to present yourself in person to the group.

If you are a job searcher or a company looking to hire great Python
developers and you want more personalized attention, contact me off
the list with a Resume or Job Posting, respectively, and I will send
you a list of what is out there. We have referred a ton this last
couple years and most results have been successful.

On a side note, I just moderated a bunch of postings. Sorry for the
delay. I do recommend you actually join the list before postings to
help avoid moderation delays.

Cheers, Brian

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 18:31:09 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:31:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Developer Opportunity - Fulltime or Contract
In-Reply-To: <3E2AD8DFD39F6E488EAABCEFE33C1C37EB504C@ITKOPEXBV02.it.corp>
References: <3E2AD8DFD39F6E488EAABCEFE33C1C37EB504C@ITKOPEXBV02.it.corp>
Message-ID: <CANKg38tx3E-hrvrATnNoYqYgb4dvUz0U76i7qBQ7FGadnghjog@mail.gmail.com>

In regards to my last email about being in Chicago; I do know those who
comute to/from Milwaukee and this is why I allowed this post...
Nonetheless, it was 20 days ago so I have no clue if this position has been
filled or not.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Quraishi, Lubna
<Lubna.Quraishi at corvisa.com>wrote:

>  Hello there,****
>
> ** **
>
> I am referred to this group by one of the group members. I am an internal
> Recruiter working for a growing Technology Company ? Corvisa in Milwaukee
> area. We are seeking to add to our team Senior Python Developer as well as
> Junior ? Mid Python Developers and also open to adding Consultants. Please
> find the attached job description.****
>
> ** **
>
> Corvisa Services is a rapidly growing technology and creative division for
> the Novation Companies, a series of companies dedicated to innovation and
> pushing the status quo. We're lucky to have the best of both worlds - a
> start-up mentality with the resources and leadership of a big business.***
> *
>
>  ****
>
> We are in Downtown Milwaukee in Schlitz Park near Bradley Center. All
> employees have free parking, 2000 sqft game room and a state of the art
> facility. We are a fun place to work! casual work environment! ****
>
>  ****
>
> Please share this opportunity with Chicago Python Users Group mailing
> list. ****
>
> I look forward to your response. ****
>
> Have a fabulous day ahead!****
>
> Lubna ****
>
> * *
>
> *Lubna Quraishi, PHR*| Corvisa Services | Recruitment Consultant
> 1610 N 2nd St, Milwaukee, WI 53212 | p: 414.431.5644 | c: 414.510.7438 | *
> ***
>
> lubna.quraishi at corvisa.com<https://mail.kcitsvc.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=a7abd47dc76a43e186e64c73f49b9af1&URL=mailto%3alubna.quraishi%40corvisa.com>|
> www.corvisa.com<https://mail.kcitsvc.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=a7abd47dc76a43e186e64c73f49b9af1&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.corvisa.com%2f>
> *Corvisa* Services proudly supports our sister companies:
> StreetLinks Lender Solutions | Advent Financial | Mango Moving****
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description:
> cid:E8B6C92C-9487-4E15-A320-8213960BB2C7]****
>
> ** **
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Aug 29 19:49:43 2012
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:49:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, the job mail flood prompts me to ask:

Do companies have trouble finding python programmers? If so, why? What
should we do about it, if anything?

I've been approached before by people looking for python programmers
who were having trouble finding people. I'd like to have howtos to
point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
want to work. or, how to mentor students and new developers such that
you have a bigger pool of people to recruit from.

stuff like that. does that already exist?

-- 
sheila

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 19:56:17 2012
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Cezar Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:56:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAE7A27C523245DEA4922106E2B7BE68@gmail.com>

On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
> Okay, the job mail flood prompts me to ask:
> 
> Do companies have trouble finding python programmers? If so, why? What
> should we do about it, if anything?
> 
There is a major lack of talent nation wide for programmers in general. One of the founders of 1871 told us, "The unemployment for developers in Chicago must be 1%".

So it's not an issue of Python programmers, it's an issue of programmer. Here is my personal guess. There were a ton of people getting CS degrees during the last bubble. Many just to ride the bubble. Well, it popped. So many people moved on to other careers.

The job market was low, but so was the amount of talent. Well, the market is going up again, but there is a mismatch of talent. For a while many companies tried outsourcing. That didn't work so well.

So we're left with a big vacuum of real talent. Combine this with every company wanting you to move out to the valley, which is a no-go for many in a job pool where the median age is going up (hard to just pick up a family), and you see the predicament.

Even supar hot startups like OpsCode are outsourcing because they can't find talent, even telecommute.

 
> 
> I've been approached before by people looking for python programmers
> who were having trouble finding people. I'd like to have howtos to
> point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
> want to work. or, how to mentor students and new developers such that
> you have a bigger pool of people to recruit from.
> 
> stuff like that. does that already exist?
> 
> -- 
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org (mailto:Chicago at python.org)
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From special.kevin at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 20:17:50 2012
From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:17:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <DAE7A27C523245DEA4922106E2B7BE68@gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> So we're left with a big vacuum of real talent. Combine this with every
> company wanting you to move out to the valley, which is a no-go for many in
> a job pool where the median age is going up (hard to just pick up a family),
> and you see the predicament.

Another factor contributing to the ratio of more jobs than qualified
employees is that you aren't just competing with a handful of "hot"
startups but also individuals that have the desire to attempt to
launching their own idea. You have incubators in most major cities and
in some case even multiple per city. The tools required to launch your
own idea has significantly lowered, you no longer need to have a
datacenter you can just push to heroku or fire up an EC2 instance.

Along with this even more companies that don't just sell a digital
product are looking for developers. You can see companies,
universities and non-profits hiring more and more developers to do in
house apps or just wrangle various applications together.

Kevin

From lance at roytalman.com  Wed Aug 29 20:15:22 2012
From: lance at roytalman.com (Lance Hassan)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:15:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <DAE7A27C523245DEA4922106E2B7BE68@gmail.com>
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	<DAE7A27C523245DEA4922106E2B7BE68@gmail.com>
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Cezar has it mostly right, the other problem is that even with base skills it?s the specifics that are a killer so just having Python or Java is not always enough, a lot of companies, especially in the high skill demand space (financials, prop shops, geo location [Navteq/Nokia]) have another piece and they aren?t always willing to train the other piece. They want to hire, drop the person in a chair and have them start earning their benefits package from day one. The other piece is the unspoken job description, Python maybe the prime requirement but?what they aren?t saying is that what they are willing to train is testers, i.e.?they need testers with python, in reality most programmers who are in fact bona fide coders don?t really want to be put (stuck, forced, crammed) into a tester role?unless they are unit testing their own code (maybe). I know, we have some of these as well as a bunch of Java spots and Linux/Python admins (I don?t post on forum boards, blasting jobs has never really worked). There are a lot of openings and I will discuss them with anyone (we prefer transparency) but the reqs are rarely as simple as Python programmer.

From: chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Cezar Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:56 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] finding python programmers

On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez wrote:
Okay, the job mail flood prompts me to ask:

Do companies have trouble finding python programmers? If so, why? What
should we do about it, if anything?

There is a major lack of talent nation wide for programmers in general. One of the founders of 1871 told us, "The unemployment for developers in Chicago must be 1%".

So it's not an issue of Python programmers, it's an issue of programmer. Here is my personal guess. There were a ton of people getting CS degrees during the last bubble. Many just to ride the bubble. Well, it popped. So many people moved on to other careers.

The job market was low, but so was the amount of talent. Well, the market is going up again, but there is a mismatch of talent. For a while many companies tried outsourcing. That didn't work so well.

So we're left with a big vacuum of real talent. Combine this with every company wanting you to move out to the valley, which is a no-go for many in a job pool where the median age is going up (hard to just pick up a family), and you see the predicament.

Even supar hot startups like OpsCode are outsourcing because they can't find talent, even telecommute.


I've been approached before by people looking for python programmers
who were having trouble finding people. I'd like to have howtos to
point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
want to work. or, how to mentor students and new developers such that
you have a bigger pool of people to recruit from.

stuff like that. does that already exist?

--
sheila
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org<mailto:Chicago at python.org>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From brian at python.org  Wed Aug 29 21:56:53 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:56:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwrMdA6pMR8ZKKbSit6a-f3PE1wer7=Chikh7d=R2nnWiw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> I'd like to have howtos to
> point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
> want to work.

I'm not sure that most companies care what random non-employees think
about how they run their business.

For example: Last time I tried to post a job here, I got all kinds of
bullshit about how free breakfast isn't a real perk, and that we
should offer real perks like selling our 4 floors of office space and
instead do telecommuting. That response went straight in the garbage.

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 21:59:10 2012
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Cezar Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:59:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwrMdA6pMR8ZKKbSit6a-f3PE1wer7=Chikh7d=R2nnWiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwrMdA6pMR8ZKKbSit6a-f3PE1wer7=Chikh7d=R2nnWiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D822E217F5DD44F89266346B2B32C28F@gmail.com>

I would like to apologize for the neckbeards. Breakfast is delicious!

-- 
Cezar Jenkins
Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)


On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com (mailto:shekay at pobox.com)> wrote:
> > I'd like to have howtos to
> > point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
> > want to work.
> > 
> 
> 
> I'm not sure that most companies care what random non-employees think
> about how they run their business.
> 
> For example: Last time I tried to post a job here, I got all kinds of
> bullshit about how free breakfast isn't a real perk, and that we
> should offer real perks like selling our 4 floors of office space and
> instead do telecommuting. That response went straight in the garbage.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org (mailto:Chicago at python.org)
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From jeff at allthingsdork.com  Wed Aug 29 22:13:18 2012
From: jeff at allthingsdork.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <D822E217F5DD44F89266346B2B32C28F@gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<D822E217F5DD44F89266346B2B32C28F@gmail.com>
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I must be working at the wrong companies. Free breakfast sounds like a
pretty nice perk to me. Especially with what Starbucks is charging.

This has all been great info. I'm not currently looking, but I do
occasionally I poke around and see what employers are looking for in a
Python developer. I find that the specifics are what typically kill me. I'm
not a FT programmer. All of my experience with Python is either from a
System Administrator standpoint or on personal web projects.

My question is do employers care about personal versus professional
experience considering the talent drought? I've been contemplating working
on a few projects for friends, just so I have something to point to on my
resume. I've heard mixed feedback from recruiters about referencing open
source project contributions.

Thoughts?

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Cezar Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com>wrote:

> I would like to apologize for the neckbeards. Breakfast is delicious!
>
> --
> Cezar Jenkins
> Sent with Sparrow <http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig>
>
> On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to have howtos to
> point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
> want to work.
>
>
> I'm not sure that most companies care what random non-employees think
> about how they run their business.
>
> For example: Last time I tried to post a job here, I got all kinds of
> bullshit about how free breakfast isn't a real perk, and that we
> should offer real perks like selling our 4 floors of office space and
> instead do telecommuting. That response went straight in the garbage.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Aug 29 22:25:32 2012
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:25:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwrMdA6pMR8ZKKbSit6a-f3PE1wer7=Chikh7d=R2nnWiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwrMdA6pMR8ZKKbSit6a-f3PE1wer7=Chikh7d=R2nnWiw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to have howtos to
>> point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
>> want to work.
>
> I'm not sure that most companies care what random non-employees think
> about how they run their business.
>
> For example: Last time I tried to post a job here, I got all kinds of
> bullshit about how free breakfast isn't a real perk, and that we
> should offer real perks like selling our 4 floors of office space and
> instead do telecommuting. That response went straight in the garbage.

I am sorry about that.

I was thinking more along the lines of things like comp time and PTO.

I worked once at a place that gave no comp time and the ceo/founder
kept a tally of time employees came in after 8:45. One guy was working
60+ hours a week, but he would take a later train some times (work til
11pm, ugh). The ceo/founder docked the guys PTO. if a company offers 0
comp time and that there was a hard deadline for getting in to the
office at 8:45 or you have it taken out of your PTO and if that
company were to have trouble recruiting people, then maybe they should
care what non-employees think. This is a crazy example.



-- 
sheila

From brian at python.org  Wed Aug 29 22:53:31 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:53:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <CABprRxmJn55P+iNWAu0QUNhPK=X+dEycdbKA17fUjgajbOwsBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Jeffery Smith <jeff at allthingsdork.com> wrote:
> My question is do employers care about personal versus professional
> experience considering the talent drought? I've been contemplating working
> on a few projects for friends, just so I have something to point to on my
> resume. I've heard mixed feedback from recruiters about referencing open
> source project contributions.
>
> Thoughts?

Just about everything in this paragraph gets a "depends" response.
Even from interviewer to interviewer in the same company, "depends" is
still the likely answer.

Caring about personal experience: It depends entirely on what that
experience is. My dad was always a fan of the saying "does he have 10
years of experience, or 1 year of experience 10 times?" If you've
involved yourself in meaningful personal projects, either being
meaningful to your personal development and/or meaningful to a
community, it's likely that these projects could help you. Some
companies flat out don't care about what you do on the side so your
personal projects may not be a factor at all places.

I've also come across people who try to puff up their side work. They
list their github and bitbucket accounts, but they only have doc typos
merged into 3 of the projects from a year ago. Doing that work is
certainly not a bad thing, don't get me wrong, but it's not resume
worthy. It would be like me listing my horrible GPA - better as
whitespace.


Feedback from recruiters on open source projects: As from who you
heard it from, it depends on who they want to try and place you at. In
general, it again depends on the quality and quantity of the work. At
Canonical, since we're an open source company, getting a hold of your
open source work is a plus when interviewing you. For one, we can see
that you've gone through coding out in the open, and we have actual
real code to gauge you with. We can probably trace code back to bug
reports, to code reviews, etc. Having someone who writes good reports,
submits good patches, writes good code reviews, is receptive to code
reviews, etc...that's awesome information to have, especially before
we've even said a word to you.

This is where three doc typos aren't helpful - yet. Having 25 changes
into some project probably gives us a good look into how you do
things. If you're going to list open source work, you're best off to
wait until you're in a state to show it off.

Overall, I can't see open source contributions being listed as a bad
thing unless you just contribute things that put you in a bad light.
No one is actually going to say "ah this guy put a link to his
github...borrrrringgggg", or if they do, oh well, you're better off
elsewhere.

From lance at roytalman.com  Wed Aug 29 22:55:35 2012
From: lance at roytalman.com (Lance Hassan)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:55:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
In-Reply-To: <CABprRxmJn55P+iNWAu0QUNhPK=X+dEycdbKA17fUjgajbOwsBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raLE6joRGDWK4WM11ZEjK7XT1n=03zj5hnXEonjS05FVw@mail.gmail.com>
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@Jeffery...you get a big depends on that one. If what you are doing on the side is extremely cool. It has happened. Not often, the mantra in the past is that it is all well and good but the "real world" is different and would you be able to do that with 6 people with vuvuzelas pointed directly at and no more than 3 inches from your ears (OHSHA does not regulate vuvuzelas). Actually what I have in terms of real Python jobs are in fact Linux admins with Python and the req on how deep the Linux has eased a bit...(no longer requires depth in performance tuning). As a benchmark it's paying around 100k but...like all of these things there is a bit about CCNP tucked in there and they do test as part of the process and we know from experience that their test is a bit trippier than Brainbench.

From: chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Jeffery Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:13 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] finding python programmers

I must be working at the wrong companies. Free breakfast sounds like a pretty nice perk to me. Especially with what Starbucks is charging.

This has all been great info. I'm not currently looking, but I do occasionally I poke around and see what employers are looking for in a Python developer. I find that the specifics are what typically kill me. I'm not a FT programmer. All of my experience with Python is either from a System Administrator standpoint or on personal web projects.

My question is do employers care about personal versus professional experience considering the talent drought? I've been contemplating working on a few projects for friends, just so I have something to point to on my resume. I've heard mixed feedback from recruiters about referencing open source project contributions.

Thoughts?

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Cezar Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com<mailto:emperorcezar at gmail.com>> wrote:
I would like to apologize for the neckbeards. Breakfast is delicious!

--
Cezar Jenkins
Sent with Sparrow<http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig>


On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com<mailto:shekay at pobox.com>> wrote:
I'd like to have howtos to
point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
want to work.

I'm not sure that most companies care what random non-employees think
about how they run their business.

For example: Last time I tried to post a job here, I got all kinds of
bullshit about how free breakfast isn't a real perk, and that we
should offer real perks like selling our 4 floors of office space and
instead do telecommuting. That response went straight in the garbage.
_______________________________________________
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


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From brian at python.org  Thu Aug 30 07:12:02 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwo=kXOKxirhHWbKo8hJhYLMepCXe4_OAuO+xf+q2VVYTg@mail.gmail.com>

John D. Hunter, creator of matplotlib and presenter at several ChiPy
meetings over the years, has passed away.

Fernando Perez, one of the IPython developers, wrote extensively on
this: http://mail.scipy.org/pipermail/ipython-dev/2012-August/010135.html

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 08:44:59 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:44:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwo=kXOKxirhHWbKo8hJhYLMepCXe4_OAuO+xf+q2VVYTg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <392C0D3D-D408-4CC8-9DCF-DEA631C3E42B@gmail.com>

This is very heart breaking news... John was at the very first unofficial ChiPy meeting and presented several times over the years. Many of us know him for his contributions and some of us as a friend. He was a brilliant scientist, a thoughtful developer, and a kind soul. He will be missed.

Thoughts with his family during this sad time.

Rest in peace, John.

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 09:02:23 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
In-Reply-To: <392C0D3D-D408-4CC8-9DCF-DEA631C3E42B@gmail.com>
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	<392C0D3D-D408-4CC8-9DCF-DEA631C3E42B@gmail.com>
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Here is a good video:

  http://videolectures.net/mloss08_hunter_mat/

@42:21 is about a pretty funny letter from Nasa bugging John to fix a bug.

I bet Carl has more...

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 14:41:39 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:41:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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	<392C0D3D-D408-4CC8-9DCF-DEA631C3E42B@gmail.com>
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I propose we hold a special ChiPy meeting next month in honor of
John's contributions. I am sure most of us, regardless our industry,
have touched matplotlib.  I also think it would be appropriate to
start a collection. If you can not come, you can also donate here
http://numfocus.org/johnhunter./

Any objections? If not, let's find a great venue and make a call to
speakers who can present on Matplotlib.

Warm Regards, Brian

From shekay at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 18:50:28 2012
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:50:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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I agree with idea emphatically.

I emailed ita to see if they have space available. I know they can fit a
lot of people.
On Aug 30, 2012 7:44 AM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> I propose we hold a special ChiPy meeting next month in honor of
> John's contributions. I am sure most of us, regardless our industry,
> have touched matplotlib.  I also think it would be appropriate to
> start a collection. If you can not come, you can also donate here
> http://numfocus.org/johnhunter./
>
> Any objections? If not, let's find a great venue and make a call to
> speakers who can present on Matplotlib.
>
> Warm Regards, Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug 30 19:15:25 2012
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:15:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbDCmObfBKE1BjS_hYeAKxrR4V1eiiV0-u5beb1ffGTPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Brian wrote:

> I propose we hold a special ChiPy meeting next month in honor of
> John's contributions. I am sure most of us, regardless our industry,
> have touched matplotlib.  I also think it would be appropriate to
> start a collection. If you can not come, you can also donate here
> http://numfocus.org/johnhunter./

Sheila responded:

> I agree with idea emphatically.
>
> I emailed ita to see if they have space available. I know they can fit a
> lot of people.

I like the idea as well.

One thing to consider is that there will likely be a memorial service
here in Chicago for John during the month of September.   I'm sure
there will be some out-of-town Python folks in attendance.  Arguments
can be made for holding a special ChiPy meeting around that day and
for explicitly avoiding conflict.  In any case, it will be worth it to
at least know when that memorial service will be, so whichever way you
decide to do things (sync or avoid) you don't inadvertently do the
opposite (avoid or sync).

Skip

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 19:26:45 2012
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:26:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
In-Reply-To: <392C0D3D-D408-4CC8-9DCF-DEA631C3E42B@gmail.com>
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Very sad to hear this. Although I only met John a handful of times, he had
a big impact on my professional life (which ultimately bleeds into my
personal life). In one of John's first presentations to ChiPy, he showed us
how he was using Python and matplotlib to map brainwaves. He showed us a
slide of an open human skull, with electrodes connected directly to a
subject's brain. At the time, ChiPy was pretty new, and only a few people
in the group were using Python in their professional lives. John's slide
was a big deal to me...for years afterwards, when someone would ask if
Python was really production ready, I'd reference that slide and say
something like, "John Hunter uses it for brain surgery" (not entirely
accurate, but...heh..artistic license)

I saw John and his family in the parking lot of IKEA a few years ago, and
thought for sure he wouldn't remember me, but he did, and was super nice.

Thanks John, for the tools you built, the community you fostered, and the
lives you changed.

Chris

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is very heart breaking news... John was at the very first unofficial
> ChiPy meeting and presented several times over the years. Many of us know
> him for his contributions and some of us as a friend. He was a brilliant
> scientist, a thoughtful developer, and a kind soul. He will be missed.
>
> Thoughts with his family during this sad time.
>
> Rest in peace, John.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug 30 19:46:51 2012
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:46:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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> In one of John's first presentations to ChiPy, he showed us how he
> was using Python and matplotlib to map brainwaves. He showed us a slide of
> an open human skull, with electrodes connected directly to a subject's
> brain.

I had the pleasure of working around John here at TradeLink since
2005.  (I hesitate to say "work with" because we were never in exactly
the same group.)  When he interviewed for a job, he gave a seminar
about his work at U of C.  I don't remember any of the other details
other than the fact that he had written matplotlib to do the 2D/3D
plotting, and that picture of the experimental setup with the open
skull covered with electrodes. :-)

Oddly enough, I'm not a huge matplotlib user, but I do have a simple
matplotlib program I use all the time.  It takes a CSV file as input
and plots a user-defined pair of fields, nothing too exciting.  I
front end it with a number of different data manipulation scripts.
Together, they form my main "data visualization" pipeline.

Perhaps we should collect a bunch of generally useful matplotlib
scripts/applications and create a single page to reference them on
chipy.org as a little online testimonial to John's affect on our
Python lives.

Skip

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Aug 30 20:26:19 2012
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:26:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Skip Montanaro <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>> In one of John's first presentations to ChiPy, he showed us how he
>> was using Python and matplotlib to map brainwaves. He showed us a slide of
>> an open human skull, with electrodes connected directly to a subject's
>> brain.
>
> I had the pleasure of working around John here at TradeLink since
> 2005.  (I hesitate to say "work with" because we were never in exactly
> the same group.)  When he interviewed for a job, he gave a seminar
> about his work at U of C.  I don't remember any of the other details
> other than the fact that he had written matplotlib to do the 2D/3D
> plotting, and that picture of the experimental setup with the open
> skull covered with electrodes. :-)
>
> Oddly enough, I'm not a huge matplotlib user, but I do have a simple
> matplotlib program I use all the time.  It takes a CSV file as input
> and plots a user-defined pair of fields, nothing too exciting.  I
> front end it with a number of different data manipulation scripts.
> Together, they form my main "data visualization" pipeline.
>
> Perhaps we should collect a bunch of generally useful matplotlib
> scripts/applications and create a single page to reference them on
> chipy.org as a little online testimonial to John's affect on our
> Python lives.
>

Not just our python lives...

About this episode: "....We had a chipy meeting about matplotlib where
John Hunter recalled a thread on the matplotlib list ...

http://blip.tv/shekay/sheila-and-carl-s-wedding-4248672

-- 
Carl K

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Aug 30 20:31:18 2012
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:31:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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Chris,

Off list, cuz I just want to let you know that you have a way with words.

I was chatting with a friend and passed on your post...

(12:40:40 PM) Cannuck: now I'm teary
(12:40:43 PM) Carl: yeah, me too
(12:40:46 PM) Cannuck: and I didn't know John
(12:41:03 PM) Carl: I heard bout him passing a few hours ago
(12:41:11 PM) Carl: sad, bummer, but it didn't hit me
(12:41:15 PM) Carl: that has me in tears
(12:41:44 PM) Carl: "though I only met John a handful of times,... "  same here.
(12:42:20 PM) Carl: i have done between 1000 and 2000 vids, so it's
not like I get all personal with the presenters
(12:43:41 PM) Cannuck: yeah but that hits it


On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Very sad to hear this. Although I only met John a handful of times, he had a
> big impact on my professional life (which ultimately bleeds into my personal
> life). In one of John's first presentations to ChiPy, he showed us how he
> was using Python and matplotlib to map brainwaves. He showed us a slide of
> an open human skull, with electrodes connected directly to a subject's
> brain. At the time, ChiPy was pretty new, and only a few people in the group
> were using Python in their professional lives. John's slide was a big deal
> to me...for years afterwards, when someone would ask if Python was really
> production ready, I'd reference that slide and say something like, "John
> Hunter uses it for brain surgery" (not entirely accurate,
> but...heh..artistic license)
>
> I saw John and his family in the parking lot of IKEA a few years ago, and
> thought for sure he wouldn't remember me, but he did, and was super nice.
>
> Thanks John, for the tools you built, the community you fostered, and the
> lives you changed.
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is very heart breaking news... John was at the very first unofficial
>> ChiPy meeting and presented several times over the years. Many of us know
>> him for his contributions and some of us as a friend. He was a brilliant
>> scientist, a thoughtful developer, and a kind soul. He will be missed.
>>
>> Thoughts with his family during this sad time.
>>
>> Rest in peace, John.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
>
> --
> @chmcavoy
> http://lonelylion.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 20:37:53 2012
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:37:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSgC3e+-5HOkwgEkt7Y7w1N81Z5H1dP3NZQYTyjP_w0PJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Ended up on list...but, thanks ;)

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Off list, cuz I just want to let you know that you have a way with words.
>
> I was chatting with a friend and passed on your post...
>
> (12:40:40 PM) Cannuck: now I'm teary
> (12:40:43 PM) Carl: yeah, me too
> (12:40:46 PM) Cannuck: and I didn't know John
> (12:41:03 PM) Carl: I heard bout him passing a few hours ago
> (12:41:11 PM) Carl: sad, bummer, but it didn't hit me
> (12:41:15 PM) Carl: that has me in tears
> (12:41:44 PM) Carl: "though I only met John a handful of times,... "  same
> here.
> (12:42:20 PM) Carl: i have done between 1000 and 2000 vids, so it's
> not like I get all personal with the presenters
> (12:43:41 PM) Cannuck: yeah but that hits it
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Very sad to hear this. Although I only met John a handful of times, he
> had a
> > big impact on my professional life (which ultimately bleeds into my
> personal
> > life). In one of John's first presentations to ChiPy, he showed us how he
> > was using Python and matplotlib to map brainwaves. He showed us a slide
> of
> > an open human skull, with electrodes connected directly to a subject's
> > brain. At the time, ChiPy was pretty new, and only a few people in the
> group
> > were using Python in their professional lives. John's slide was a big
> deal
> > to me...for years afterwards, when someone would ask if Python was really
> > production ready, I'd reference that slide and say something like, "John
> > Hunter uses it for brain surgery" (not entirely accurate,
> > but...heh..artistic license)
> >
> > I saw John and his family in the parking lot of IKEA a few years ago, and
> > thought for sure he wouldn't remember me, but he did, and was super nice.
> >
> > Thanks John, for the tools you built, the community you fostered, and the
> > lives you changed.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is very heart breaking news... John was at the very first
> unofficial
> >> ChiPy meeting and presented several times over the years. Many of us
> know
> >> him for his contributions and some of us as a friend. He was a brilliant
> >> scientist, a thoughtful developer, and a kind soul. He will be missed.
> >>
> >> Thoughts with his family during this sad time.
> >>
> >> Rest in peace, John.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > @chmcavoy
> > http://lonelylion.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From jeff at allthingsdork.com  Thu Aug 30 20:43:17 2012
From: jeff at allthingsdork.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:43:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] finding python programmers
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Thanks Lance and Brian. I know there's no such thing as a single answer, but your perspectives help greatly. I'm always hesitant about developer positions, even when recruiters initiate contact. I quite honestly have no idea what its like in the "real world" for a developer on a day-to-day basis. I see friends/associates landing these roles that I personally feel they're not qualified for. I personally never want to be in a position where expectations are higher than what I'm capable of day 1.  

I feel like I'm a top prospect, but most employers are looking for a young ace. =)  

Thanks for the feedback.  

--  
Jeffery Smith
Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)


On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Lance Hassan wrote:

> @Jeffery?you get a big depends on that one. If what you are doing on the side is extremely cool. It has happened. Not often, the mantra in the past is that it is all well and good but the ?real world? is different and would you be able to do that with 6 people with vuvuzelas pointed directly at and no more than 3 inches from your ears (OHSHA does not regulate vuvuzelas). Actually what I have in terms of real Python jobs are in fact Linux admins with Python and the req on how deep the Linux has eased a bit?(no longer requires depth in performance tuning). As a benchmark it?s paying around 100k but?like all of these things there is a bit about CCNP tucked in there and they do test as part of the process and we know from experience that their test is a bit trippier than Brainbench.  
>   
> From: chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org (mailto:roytalman.com at python.org)] On Behalf Of Jeffery Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:13 PM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] finding python programmers
>   
> I must be working at the wrong companies. Free breakfast sounds like a pretty nice perk to me. Especially with what Starbucks is charging.
>   
>  
> This has all been great info. I'm not currently looking, but I do occasionally I poke around and see what employers are looking for in a Python developer. I find that the specifics are what typically kill me. I'm not a FT programmer. All of my experience with Python is either from a System Administrator standpoint or on personal web projects.
>  
>   
>  
> My question is do employers care about personal versus professional experience considering the talent drought? I've been contemplating working on a few projects for friends, just so I have something to point to on my resume. I've heard mixed feedback from recruiters about referencing open source project contributions.  
>  
>   
>  
> Thoughts?
>  
>   
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Cezar Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com (mailto:emperorcezar at gmail.com)> wrote:
> I would like to apologize for the neckbeards. Breakfast is delicious!
>  
>   
>  
> --  
>  
> Cezar Jenkins
>  
> Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
>  
>   
>  
>  
> On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com (mailto:shekay at pobox.com)> wrote:
> >  
> > > I'd like to have howtos to
> > >  
> > > point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people
> > >  
> > > want to work.
> > >  
> > >  
> >  
> >   
> >  
> > I'm not sure that most companies care what random non-employees think
> >  
> > about how they run their business.
> >  
> >   
> >  
> > For example: Last time I tried to post a job here, I got all kinds of
> >  
> > bullshit about how free breakfast isn't a real perk, and that we
> >  
> > should offer real perks like selling our 4 floors of office space and
> >  
> > instead do telecommuting. That response went straight in the garbage.
> >  
> > _______________________________________________
> >  
> > Chicago mailing list
> >  
> > Chicago at python.org (mailto:Chicago at python.org)
> >  
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >  
> >  
> >  
>  
>   
>  
>  
>  
>  
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> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org (mailto:Chicago at python.org)
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>  
>  
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From shekay at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 21:08:07 2012
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:08:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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I can confirm that ITA has reserved space for us. So we have a place for
the meeting that can hold a good number of people.
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 21:18:29 2012
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:18:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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Great, thanks for doing this, Sheila...

Now who wants to present on something with Matplotlib?  Not as means
to intimidate, John's presentations where some of my very favorite.
They were visually simulating and I do not just mean dolphins. The 3D
plots is new to me.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can confirm that ITA has reserved space for us. So we have a place for the
> meeting that can hold a good number of people.
>
>

-- 
Brian Ray
@brianray
(773) 669-7717

From gkettler at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 22:36:28 2012
From: gkettler at gmail.com (Greg Kettler)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:36:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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I used a bunch of matplotlib in my PhD research (marine microbiology)
and I could talk about that. But the plots themselves are fairly
pedestrian. No dolphins in spite of the marine setting.

I've also been playing with using matplotlib to plot baseball PITCHf/x
data. Actually I started doing that to goof off when I should have
been writing my thesis. That's still half baked (maybe 1/3 baked...)
but more visually stimulating.

I could talk about either or both.

Greg

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great, thanks for doing this, Sheila...
>
> Now who wants to present on something with Matplotlib?  Not as means
> to intimidate, John's presentations where some of my very favorite.
> They were visually simulating and I do not just mean dolphins. The 3D
> plots is new to me.
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I can confirm that ITA has reserved space for us. So we have a place for the
>> meeting that can hold a good number of people.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Brian Ray
> @brianray
> (773) 669-7717
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 22:45:43 2012
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:45:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] A sad day for our community. John Hunter: 1968-2012.
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	<392C0D3D-D408-4CC8-9DCF-DEA631C3E42B@gmail.com>
	<CANKg38uHkG5k4w26ed7Sveagfx00ESnTCzBbMLeX17HZtq-AJg@mail.gmail.com>
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Both of those topics sound interesting to me.
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Greg Kettler <gkettler at gmail.com> wrote:
> I used a bunch of matplotlib in my PhD research (marine microbiology)
> and I could talk about that. But the plots themselves are fairly
> pedestrian. No dolphins in spite of the marine setting.
>
> I've also been playing with using matplotlib to plot baseball PITCHf/x
> data. Actually I started doing that to goof off when I should have
> been writing my thesis. That's still half baked (maybe 1/3 baked...)
> but more visually stimulating.
>
> I could talk about either or both.
>
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great, thanks for doing this, Sheila...
>>
>> Now who wants to present on something with Matplotlib?  Not as means
>> to intimidate, John's presentations where some of my very favorite.
>> They were visually simulating and I do not just mean dolphins. The 3D
>> plots is new to me.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I can confirm that ITA has reserved space for us. So we have a place for the
>>> meeting that can hold a good number of people.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Brian Ray
>> @brianray
>> (773) 669-7717
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
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