From MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com  Thu Sep  1 20:01:27 2011
From: MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com (Maxwell Friedman)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 13:01:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept 8th) we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already booked.

Sorry all.

-Max

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From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian Ray
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:03 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] venue

I would really like someone like Morningstar for this one because we
are having a dual language/ dual screen thingy.

Also, we met some possible venues (Boeing building, ... other loop
locations!?) at the ChiPy SocialDev booth this weekend.

BTW, thanks to all those who crowded around our booth Saturday. Hope
to see some of you.

On a side note, Chicago ALT.NET organizers showed some interest in
doing a co-meeting. That could get insane...

Lots of stuff going on. Who wants to sponsor, host, talk.... currently
the topic is "Erlang VS Python" Daniel? Garrett?

This is going to be great.



On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> I think we have a talk. ?Where will it happen?
>
> I am going to be in Portland, so I vote we have it there.
>
> --
> Carl K
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>



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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 20:08:57 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 13:08:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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OK, we are officially looking for a venue. Anyone, anyone.... best meeting ever!

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Maxwell Friedman
<MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
> We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept 8th) we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already booked.
>

From greg at tablexi.com  Thu Sep  1 21:22:34 2011
From: greg at tablexi.com (Greg Baugues)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:22:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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How many people must the space accomodate?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, we are officially looking for a venue. Anyone, anyone.... best meeting
> ever!
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
> > We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept 8th)
> we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already booked.
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Sep  1 21:27:59 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:27:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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40-60.  less than 40 may show up,   35 is pretty typical, but too much
space sucks way less than running out of space.


On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
> How many people must the space accomodate?
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK, we are officially looking for a venue. Anyone, anyone.... best meeting
>> ever!
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Maxwell Friedman
>> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>> > We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept 8th)
>> > we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already booked.
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> Greg Baugues
> 312.576.6701
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
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From greg at tablexi.com  Thu Sep  1 21:36:02 2011
From: greg at tablexi.com (Greg Baugues)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:36:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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Okay, sorry, we can't accomodate that many here, but I'll keep my eyes out.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> 40-60.  less than 40 may show up,   35 is pretty typical, but too much
> space sucks way less than running out of space.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
> > How many people must the space accomodate?
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, we are officially looking for a venue. Anyone, anyone.... best
> meeting
> >> ever!
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> >> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
> >> > We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept
> 8th)
> >> > we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already
> booked.
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Greg Baugues
> > 312.576.6701
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From jeff at allthingsdork.com  Thu Sep  1 21:37:15 2011
From: jeff at allthingsdork.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:37:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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I'm new to the list. Has anyone talked with the folks at Tech Nexus? They
host a lot of different Chicago Tech Meetings. I have a contact there if
it's of interest. 200 S. Wacker

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> 40-60.  less than 40 may show up,   35 is pretty typical, but too much
> space sucks way less than running out of space.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
> > How many people must the space accomodate?
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, we are officially looking for a venue. Anyone, anyone.... best
> meeting
> >> ever!
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> >> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
> >> > We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept
> 8th)
> >> > we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already
> booked.
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Greg Baugues
> > 312.576.6701
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Sep  1 21:39:36 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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aka ITA, I think we have the space reserved, we meet there pretty
often, but the group likes to move around.   personally I like it,
but I won't be in town so ignore that.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jeffery Smith <jeff at allthingsdork.com> wrote:
> I'm new to the list. Has anyone talked with the folks at Tech Nexus? They
> host a lot of different Chicago Tech Meetings. I have a contact there if
> it's of interest. 200 S. Wacker
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>
>> 40-60. ?less than 40 may show up, ? 35 is pretty typical, but too much
>> space sucks way less than running out of space.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
>> > How many people must the space accomodate?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> OK, we are officially looking for a venue. Anyone, anyone.... best
>> >> meeting
>> >> ever!
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Maxwell Friedman
>> >> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>> >> > We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept
>> >> > 8th)
>> >> > we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already
>> >> > booked.
>> >> >
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Greg Baugues
>> > 312.576.6701
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
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From g at rre.tt  Thu Sep  1 21:41:41 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:41:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
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I suppose everyone's tired of drinking delicious beer at Sully's.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> aka ITA, I think we have the space reserved, we meet there pretty
> often, but the group likes to move around. ? personally I like it,
> but I won't be in town so ignore that.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jeffery Smith <jeff at allthingsdork.com> wrote:
>> I'm new to the list. Has anyone talked with the folks at Tech Nexus? They
>> host a lot of different Chicago Tech Meetings. I have a contact there if
>> it's of interest. 200 S. Wacker
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 40-60. ?less than 40 may show up, ? 35 is pretty typical, but too much
>>> space sucks way less than running out of space.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Greg Baugues <greg at tablexi.com> wrote:
>>> > How many people must the space accomodate?
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> OK, we are officially looking for a venue. Anyone, anyone.... best
>>> >> meeting
>>> >> ever!
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Maxwell Friedman
>>> >> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>>> >> > We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept
>>> >> > 8th)
>>> >> > we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already
>>> >> > booked.
>>> >> >
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Greg Baugues
>>> > 312.576.6701
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Thu Sep  1 22:24:03 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:24:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38u+C3SnUANdYs9X25Zqz_T-LgcAp_qetJM4yiXFxrMzug@mail.gmail.com>
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Unfortunately I cannot get a room at DePaul so early in the quarter. I may be able to host the next meeting.

On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Brian Ray wrote:

> OK, we are officially looking for a venue. Anyone, anyone.... best meeting ever!
> 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>> We checked, assuming the meeting is on the normal time (I have Sept 8th) we can't do it here at Morningstar as our facilities are already booked.
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 23:03:01 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:03:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <F50C9014-7E40-4E1E-8999-27792A07C94A@cs.depaul.edu>
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I am not tired of Sully's, it is just our attendance dips when we go
there sometimes.

How about ITA, folks?

From jeff at allthingsdork.com  Thu Sep  1 23:05:50 2011
From: jeff at allthingsdork.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38vRAt-7pNK0OVfk-Hu6ZxDmN4dP7qWGOFNtzpGvrtyRaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38s5bKTBB+zW2Q1H-A4esgJM5oqrqP8bi4cOTMO4YPH99Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE87B66E@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<CANKg38u+C3SnUANdYs9X25Zqz_T-LgcAp_qetJM4yiXFxrMzug@mail.gmail.com>
	<F50C9014-7E40-4E1E-8999-27792A07C94A@cs.depaul.edu>
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Works for the new guy.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am not tired of Sully's, it is just our attendance dips when we go
> there sometimes.
>
> How about ITA, folks?
> _______________________________________________
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 23:34:35 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:34:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] venue
In-Reply-To: <CABprRxmnBnx6JH7FGi5_W2LBSG=PobjgVaTjqfO4rfAqu+G0zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmzSShDEsF7+6vBAofkgkoB1=FBujSuTE+sw7RMWoaQn0sThA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANKg38s5bKTBB+zW2Q1H-A4esgJM5oqrqP8bi4cOTMO4YPH99Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<849A7AF1F92CDC418BC1FACD831D91BE87B66E@MSEX891.morningstar.com>
	<CANKg38u+C3SnUANdYs9X25Zqz_T-LgcAp_qetJM4yiXFxrMzug@mail.gmail.com>
	<F50C9014-7E40-4E1E-8999-27792A07C94A@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CANKg38vRAt-7pNK0OVfk-Hu6ZxDmN4dP7qWGOFNtzpGvrtyRaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABprRxmnBnx6JH7FGi5_W2LBSG=PobjgVaTjqfO4rfAqu+G0zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1znBn=f0tea6f_5CNMzGZROqqVq096i2ubwuBJ=9gBppvQ@mail.gmail.com>

ITA FTW


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On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Jeffery Smith <jeff at allthingsdork.com> wrote:
> Works for the new guy.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am not tired of Sully's, it is just our attendance dips when we go
>> there sometimes.
>>
>> How about ITA, folks?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Fri Sep  2 00:06:06 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 17:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From Quora
Message-ID: <CAE6_B5Q5Qt5-nt0JKgo00JWHLcLp8CQQjM9dT6kXVvNot5GtMg@mail.gmail.com>

I thought you might appreciate an answer to a question about proto-human
language:
http://www.quora.com/What-language-did-Adam-and-Eve-speak-in-the-Garden-of-Eden

-- 
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<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
? Author Bio <https://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/jonathan-hayward>
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Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Sep  2 04:04:40 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From Quora
In-Reply-To: <CAE6_B5Q5Qt5-nt0JKgo00JWHLcLp8CQQjM9dT6kXVvNot5GtMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6_B5Q5Qt5-nt0JKgo00JWHLcLp8CQQjM9dT6kXVvNot5GtMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wpdNV=HdBvW6+9FwWS5VKu+LRBu_3sTRYJACSB+wpUS0w@mail.gmail.com>

?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Hayward <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> wrote:

> I thought you might appreciate an answer to a question about proto-human
> language:
> http://www.quora.com/What-language-did-Adam-and-Eve-speak-in-the-Garden-of-Eden
>
> --
> ? Jonathan Hayward, Author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and jQuery
> <https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
> ? Author Bio <https://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/jonathan-hayward>
>  ? LinkedIn Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
> and websites a joy to use
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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Brian Herman

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Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
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From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Fri Sep  2 13:03:47 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 06:03:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From Quora
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wpdNV=HdBvW6+9FwWS5VKu+LRBu_3sTRYJACSB+wpUS0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6_B5Q5Qt5-nt0JKgo00JWHLcLp8CQQjM9dT6kXVvNot5GtMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01wpdNV=HdBvW6+9FwWS5VKu+LRBu_3sTRYJACSB+wpUS0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE6_B5R8hhUe2RybVCRVojQP+JiBgT0diySFkMsihrjPpcnLvQ@mail.gmail.com>

In the Bible, in the opening chapters of Genesis, people decide to
self-deify by making a tower that will reach up to Heaven. (Having the
world's tallest skyscraper is still something want.) And, as the story goes,
God cursed this project by making the people speak different languages and
be unable to communicate with each other.

Implicit in this (actually, explicitly stated in the beginning of this
story), is that the whole earth spoke a single language, and there is
something of a mythic quality to this language. This is the language from
the Garden of Eden, the language of Paradise.

On Quora.com, someone asked, "What was the original language that was spoken
by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?"

My answer: "Python."

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:

> ?
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Jonathan Hayward <
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought you might appreciate an answer to a question about proto-human
>> language:
>> http://www.quora.com/What-language-did-Adam-and-Eve-speak-in-the-Garden-of-Eden
>>
>> --
>> ? Jonathan Hayward, Author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
>> jQuery
>> <https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
>> ? Author Bio <https://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/jonathan-hayward>
>>  ? LinkedIn Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
>> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
>> and websites a joy to use
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
? Author Bio <https://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/jonathan-hayward>
? LinkedIn
Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
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From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Sep  3 03:31:42 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 18:31:42 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [LUNI] Fwd: Postgres Open Conference: September
 14-16, at the Westin on Michigan Ave
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ8-HEEC2pV++1vO0vYaM_bG5Q7JSCmc41yK6ZxiEmuAZg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAJ7OkQ8-HEEC2pV++1vO0vYaM_bG5Q7JSCmc41yK6ZxiEmuAZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSixQak_faqGBFX8qvEkFr3gEj7zpTtN2wSkAp37c18sWg@mail.gmail.com>

Python group might have room if you can get a python angle.



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Selena Deckelmann <selena at postgresopen.org>
Date: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:31 PM
Subject: Postgres Open Conference: September 14-16, at the Westin on
Michigan Ave
To: info at luni.org


Hi!

I'm the chair of Postgres Open, a conference dedicated to data and
specifically the database PostgreSQL. http://postgresopen.org

I got my start contributing to (rather than just using) the open
source community by founding a user group in Portland, OR five years
ago. I love user groups! And so, whenever I come through town, I try
to find speaking engagements, social events and ways of connecting
with the locals.

I'll be in town September 12-17th.

So! ?Are there any meetups I could drop by for? I was also thinking of
having an informal drink-up with folks from the Perl and Ruby
communities on Tuesday night.

We also have a user group discount for our conference anyone is
welcome to use: http://pgopen.eventbrite.com/?discount=PUGLUV (worth
$150 off the cost of the conference)

I'm also looking for volunteers that can show up early and help out
with registration. Benefit is: free pass to the conference.

Anyway, hope you have a great day, and thanks for running a user group!

--
Postgres Open, September 14-16, 2011
http://postgresopen.org
Me - http://chesnok.com



--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.



-- 
Carl K

From christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 00:17:08 2011
From: christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 17:17:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The origins of human language
Message-ID: <CAE6_B5RX_9t4jARaMGOs9tjC03Dya6pHSqjKaeVA6TDXrMW80A@mail.gmail.com>

I thought you might appreciate an answer to a question about proto-human
language:
http://www.quora.com/What-language-did-Adam-and-Eve-speak-in-the-Garden-of-Eden

-- 
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Christos Jonathan Hayward, an Orthodox Christian author.

Author Bio <http://jonathanscorner.com/author/> ? Books<http://cjshayward.com/>
 ? *Email <christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com>* ?
Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/christos.jonathan.hayward>
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Twitter<http://twitter.com/JonathansCorner>
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New?<http://jonathanscorner.com/>
I invite you to visit my "theology, literature, and other creative works"
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From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Sep  4 22:14:40 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 15:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
In-Reply-To: <A514A6F4-FCF4-455B-BF31-5E252C54D5B6@me.com>
References: <mailman.15.1314439202.30413.chicago@python.org>
	<A514A6F4-FCF4-455B-BF31-5E252C54D5B6@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbhq9TxxyXewr_PoTwuw+obEkidf+x0jEuZ32sat9JGCA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Jeremy McMillan
<jeremy.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't use Mongo (yet), but I wonder if anyone really notices the cycles
> lost to encoding/decoding JSON?

Some do. I don't know if anyone has data handy for python, but the jvm
I've looked at what this project has collected on json, protobuf, etc.
http://github.com/eishay/jvm-serializers/wiki/

I seem to remember Garrett giving a loosey goosey talk on avro but I
don't remember if he talked about performance. Probably talked more
about being able to communicate with disparate systems instead. that's
the cooler part of picking one of these things.

I talk to some java services that communicate with protobufs over
http, but if you ask for json they'll give it to you. json is handier
when I talk in python, since I don't have to go through the trouble of
compiling the proto messages to python first. There is no noticeable
performance hit in that situation. But I'm just being casual there. If
I cared about how big the messages were and etc it would be another
matter and I wouldn't use json.



-- 
sheila

From shekay at pobox.com  Sun Sep  4 22:16:44 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 15:16:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Don't forget to trim replies. People who read chipy in digest form
particularly requested this.

-- 
sheila

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Sun Sep  4 22:57:07 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:57:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] BSON
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 22:27:36 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 15:27:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>

Is there a way to automatically trim replies?

From steve at stevenhoward.org  Mon Sep  5 03:39:16 2011
From: steve at stevenhoward.org (Steve Howard)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:39:16 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPCADnUmR0hRpikSnsEWMteQRtyZrXcdxPm1YmSRf_2RehbJ_g@mail.gmail.com>

This is actually the primary reason I switched from digest form to
single-message with filters; it became ridiculous to read long-running
threads.
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Sep  5 16:46:17 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 07:46:17 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSiAq0AhjPMa+aJ0YcAVMFCoRMHjx0is91Wf-cA34kGNAA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a way to automatically trim replies?

Depends on your mail app.

And then the only option is "quote original yes/no."

No sucks, yes gets you evertything.  which sucks less.


-- 
Carl K

From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Sep  5 17:52:16 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 10:52:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
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On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> No sucks, yes gets you evertything. ?which sucks less.

Some clients and webmail interfaces allow you to highlight the part
you are replying to and only include it.


-- 
sheila

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 22:31:32 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 15:31:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rZNhJhMgF+ZD3NVk8dya1qs7w44syvswCnrin2ZRXJ=5A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHzLg+YyM-Qfku7cgdtaNHkO_ozFPEVptWwri2gb7OCQx92SMA@mail.gmail.com>

which mail apps do ya'll use?

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:52 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No sucks, yes gets you evertything.  which sucks less.
>
> Some clients and webmail interfaces allow you to highlight the part
> you are replying to and only include it.
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Mon Sep  5 23:13:24 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 16:13:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
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References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
	<CADmzSSiAq0AhjPMa+aJ0YcAVMFCoRMHjx0is91Wf-cA34kGNAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rZNhJhMgF+ZD3NVk8dya1qs7w44syvswCnrin2ZRXJ=5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+YyM-Qfku7cgdtaNHkO_ozFPEVptWwri2gb7OCQx92SMA@mail.gmail.com>
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I use gmail.
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Tue Sep  6 00:09:39 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 17:09:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
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Message-ID: <CAJD01wo8agcm6wK55yUE-TGxXMvv+PWe1n3maGbp1rSO6q63wA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way in the listserv to auto trim the replys?


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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 01:20:57 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
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References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAD+XWwp3k_wGYrbC4ziMy8=EO0fR=CZqSB_8VQjJY9DM3JC5Wg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sep 5, 2011 6:10 PM, "Brian Herman" <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Is there a way in the listserv to auto trim the replys?

Not that I'm aware of, and I'm not sure how it would figure out whether or
not the quoted context is relevant or not. You just have to pick and choose
what you're replying to.
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From toba at des.truct.org  Tue Sep  6 05:04:17 2011
From: toba at des.truct.org (Eric Stein)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 22:04:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <CAPCADnUmR0hRpikSnsEWMteQRtyZrXcdxPm1YmSRf_2RehbJ_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>	<98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4E658DB0.50009@des.truct.org>

That and anyone replying when they get digest form ends up invariably
looking like an idiot.

Eric

On 09/04/2011 08:39 PM, Steve Howard wrote:
> This is actually the primary reason I switched from digest form to
> single-message with filters; it became ridiculous to read long-running
> threads.

From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 20:27:01 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Meeting will happen Thurs, and yes you can RSVP
Message-ID: <CANKg38ua8iBPLpu--7=todG_27zzY7Gw98W60t8HaJC9xUFC7Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://chipy.org

Yes, We will meet at ITA this Thursday at 7pm. Yes, you can RSVP now.
Yes, we are still working out some details. Yes, this will be the best
meeting ever. Yes, we can!


-- 

Brian Ray

From mark at spothero.com  Tue Sep  6 20:35:11 2011
From: mark at spothero.com (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:35:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Meeting will happen Thurs, and yes you can RSVP
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38ua8iBPLpu--7=todG_27zzY7Gw98W60t8HaJC9xUFC7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ua8iBPLpu--7=todG_27zzY7Gw98W60t8HaJC9xUFC7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANbRTpa35dJUC3gR9jBmxNWYV2LZnSFY1Vn60QUh9KymGC_4=g@mail.gmail.com>

If you were planning on coming to ChiPy and not sure where to park downtown
at the ITA, you can reserve parking for only $6 in a garage right near the
ITA!  http://spothero.com/ita-/-technexus/chipy-loop-meeting-09-08-2011

And SpotHero is coded in Python of course :)

Mark

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://chipy.org
>
> Yes, We will meet at ITA this Thursday at 7pm. Yes, you can RSVP now.
> Yes, we are still working out some details. Yes, this will be the best
> meeting ever. Yes, we can!
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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-- 
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Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
http://spothero.com
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From david at graniteweb.com  Tue Sep  6 22:26:15 2011
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:26:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+YyM-Qfku7cgdtaNHkO_ozFPEVptWwri2gb7OCQx92SMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
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* Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> [2011-09-05 15:31]:
> which mail apps do ya'll use?

mutt

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david at graniteweb.com
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 22:32:18 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:32:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <20110906202615.GA8997@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
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I use gmail and Mac os X mail.


---Profile:---
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David Rock <david at graniteweb.com> wrote:
> * Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> [2011-09-05 15:31]:
>> which mail apps do ya'll use?
>
> mutt
>
> --
> David Rock
> david at graniteweb.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Sep  6 22:38:26 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:38:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <20110906202615.GA8997@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98E3BBA3-B037-488A-A847-2E4028E1A15E@gmail.com>
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	<20110906202615.GA8997@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
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> * Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> [2011-09-05 15:31]:
>> which mail apps do ya'll use?

GNU Emacs + VM (ViewMail) 8.1.93a (alas, Emacs dialects and VM versions do
make a significant difference at times).

Skip

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Tue Sep  6 22:42:13 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Sep  6 23:00:14 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
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    Tal>     which mail apps do ya'll use?
    Tal> telnet pop-server 110

I'd be more impressed if you said

    telnet pop-server 995

<wink>

Skip

From david at graniteweb.com  Tue Sep  6 23:36:27 2011
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:36:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <20070.35294.206331.315620@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <CAHCs_rYMBVDGtKGgUHV7SSPhBTMh7W6X8n83JeHNa6LYXc3tmw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CADmzSSiAq0AhjPMa+aJ0YcAVMFCoRMHjx0is91Wf-cA34kGNAA@mail.gmail.com>
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* skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> [2011-09-06 16:00]:
> 
>     Tal>     which mail apps do ya'll use?
>     Tal> telnet pop-server 110
> 
> I'd be more impressed if you said
> 
>     telnet pop-server 995
> 
> <wink>

Still, I nice showing. ;-)

-- 
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david at graniteweb.com
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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Sep  7 02:01:52 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 19:01:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] djangocon live streaming
Message-ID: <CAHCs_ra0sjeGao_kB+-1TF3Gv90rj7YawwtnMpLfcz920mBZHA@mail.gmail.com>

Did anyone tell you guys that djangocon is being streamed live?

Carl has it set up here http://nextdayvideo.com/page/room_1.html

(you can click on room 2 from that page).



-- 
sheila

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 03:40:44 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:40:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] djangocon live streaming
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_ra0sjeGao_kB+-1TF3Gv90rj7YawwtnMpLfcz920mBZHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_ra0sjeGao_kB+-1TF3Gv90rj7YawwtnMpLfcz920mBZHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1z=yB0-9xU9qKL4akEe1V5q2zcDitMCa47Si-JQ0gj-RrA@mail.gmail.com>

This is awesome thanks :-)


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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:01 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Did anyone tell you guys that djangocon is being streamed live?
>
> Carl has it set up here http://nextdayvideo.com/page/room_1.html
>
> (you can click on room 2 from that page).
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 04:18:33 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:18:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] djangocon live streaming
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1z=yB0-9xU9qKL4akEe1V5q2zcDitMCa47Si-JQ0gj-RrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_ra0sjeGao_kB+-1TF3Gv90rj7YawwtnMpLfcz920mBZHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1z=yB0-9xU9qKL4akEe1V5q2zcDitMCa47Si-JQ0gj-RrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+b3Yh5hiEMzSBc-LzzzU6EpmkG6z88VBttehsaEKyM-Bw@mail.gmail.com>

So cool. gracias tambien

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is awesome thanks :-)
>
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:01 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> > Did anyone tell you guys that djangocon is being streamed live?
> >
> > Carl has it set up here http://nextdayvideo.com/page/room_1.html
> >
> > (you can click on room 2 from that page).
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From vapor.noob at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 05:51:55 2011
From: vapor.noob at gmail.com (Dan Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 22:51:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Meeting will happen Thurs, and yes you can RSVP
In-Reply-To: <CANbRTpa35dJUC3gR9jBmxNWYV2LZnSFY1Vn60QUh9KymGC_4=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38ua8iBPLpu--7=todG_27zzY7Gw98W60t8HaJC9xUFC7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANbRTpa35dJUC3gR9jBmxNWYV2LZnSFY1Vn60QUh9KymGC_4=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+zxufUOPvrcHP0Spw3YQHPbZe5_tKZkmetgej0iQytnJEGjaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Spothero looks awesome.
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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Sep  7 15:36:13 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:36:13 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] reply netiquette
In-Reply-To: <20110906213627.GB8997@wdfs.graniteweb.com>
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:36 PM, David Rock <david at graniteweb.com> wrote:
> * skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> [2011-09-06 16:00]:
>>
>> ? ? Tal> ? ? which mail apps do ya'll use?
>> ? ? Tal> telnet pop-server 110
>>
>> I'd be more impressed if you said
>>
>> ? ? telnet pop-server 995
>>
>> <wink>
>
> Still, I nice showing. ;-)
>

bah, who needs the bloated UI of telnet.

netcat is way more efficient, and it supports more data types.  Thats
where the real power is.


-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 17:29:10 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:29:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] September Monthly ChiPy Meeting at ITA Tomorrow!
Message-ID: <CANKg38s3+eg4+eCoUbQ5jPZxUq9dCfS84FjnUr6Ez7DOe6Jq2g@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=====================

RSVP now at http://chipy.org/

We have a friggen' awesome line up this month for ChiPy.

We return to ITA for the first time in a long time for a huge Python
<-> Erlang smack down. Dan and Garrett have both presented at ChiPy
many times in the past and have always amazed the audience with their
knowledge, humor, and gosh-darn good looks.

For those who do not care much about the Smack down or just need
something *more*. There will be lightening talks on social development
with Python. One lightening talk will be use the Python Bindings of
the Facebook Graph API.  More to come... This is going to rock !

We may get a live stream from DjangoCon. We will boycott tech cocktail
:p This is where nerds go, chipy.org.  Seriously, this will be a small
group and you will get a chance to meet some great Python developers
(and perhaps some Erlang developers too!?). No prior coding experience
required. All levels welcome.

Forward this to others!

When:  September 8th 2011 7 p.m
Where: ITA 15th Floor 200 S. Wacker Drive Chicago, IL 60606 312.435.2805
Join us for the best meeting ever!

ITA is close to all sorts of public transit.

IF you drive, please visit our Pizza Sponsor's Site SpotHero:

 http://spothero.com/ita-/-technexus/chipy-loop-meeting-09-08-2011

$6 loop parking. Wow what a deal. And hey folks, written in Python.
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Plus, they are buying us Pizza. yay, SpotHero your our Hero!


You will need to RSVP at http://chipy.org/

RSVP Quick Links:

YES http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/38/yes
MAYBE http://chipy.org/meetings/rsvp/38/maybe


Topics
------

Python Threads vs Erlang Processes: An Epic Concurrency Smackdown
(:30 Thirty Minutes)
By: Garrett Smith

Why Python and Why Erlang
(:30 Thirty Minutes)
By: Daniel Griffin

Social networking Lightening Talks
(:25 Twenty-Five Minutes)
By: Various Artists
Facebook API, Twitter API, OAUTH2, all things social.


About the group
---------------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also,
ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts
in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce>
Python website: <http://python.org>

From beau at open-source-staffing.com  Thu Sep  8 02:59:09 2011
From: beau at open-source-staffing.com (OSS)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 19:59:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [JOB] Code Monkey. I mean Junkie - Chicago, IL | 65-85k
Message-ID: <060f01cc6dc2$847f4cc0$8d7de640$@open-source-staffing.com>

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depending on experience + benefits.  No telecommuting allowed.  US Citizens
or Green Card holders only.  Local candidate only please.  Full company
details provided to qualified applicants.  

Our client is a leading provider of event travel and registration services
powered by our proprietary and an award winning application. They work in a
super casual environment and they insist on working on cool stuff.  They are
a small development team who happen to love what they do. They fight for
transparency, clarity and sound implementations. They believe the best
education is the person sitting next to you and they are looking for someone
to help us push the envelope.  

They want: 

* Someone who loves writing code - maybe even too much. 
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legacy clunk. 
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minutes. 
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* Someone who wants to be pushed by a team. 
* Someone who fights for simple elegant solutions in a complex world. 

With:  

* Python experience 
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------------------ 
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 19:33:11 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:33:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] RSVP
Message-ID: <CANKg38toTqn80g0hkcTr-2TZLoHtbMQkw091k_u3LeA3eppbeA@mail.gmail.com>

Reminder to RSVP for tonight:

  http://chipy.org

Thanks! Brian

From g at rre.tt  Fri Sep  9 17:48:04 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:48:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Smackdown project
Message-ID: <CACU=p6u1_Uvw1hNUWrML=SrH6n_UtGRm1j-vteaVx0LGN6y+3w@mail.gmail.com>

You can get the source code for the two servers here:

https://github.com/gar1t/pyerl-concurrency-smackdown

The presentation content is there as well, but you need to build it
first with Sphinx. Install Sphinx (e.g. generally python-sphinx
package in Linux distros) and run "make html" from the project doc
directory. You can then view the presentation by opening
doc/_build/html/index.html in a browser.

We ran out of time last night, but I had one more really crazy round
for these warriors: 20K concurrent connections with 10 second work
delays! Seriously, totally insane!

You can see the results under Round 4 here:

https://github.com/gar1t/pyerl-concurrency-smackdown/blob/master/results/chipy-2011-09-08.org

I'd encourage people to play around with these tests if you're
interested. You can run them on your laptop with some tweaks to your
environment. If you run into problems, post here and I can try to
help.

I agree wholeheartedly with Dan's point that a "sleep" operation is a
pretty light weight test, though the point was to strictly measure
"concurrency" support. An interesting tweak would be to do some real
work (e.g. calc a short Fibonacci value, write to a file, etc.) That
sort of experiment would show that these super high concurrency
scenarios are absurd in light of actual bottlenecks like CPU and disk
iops. But at lower concurrency levels, you might start to see some
real differences between Python and Erlang.

Anyway, long live Python threads! Long live Erlang processes!

Garrett

From g at rre.tt  Fri Sep  9 20:05:46 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:05:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Smackdown rethink
Message-ID: <CACU=p6tHk48N10FSAJj-hnn+PyfMTfcpPS6oqK2Oy0rwo0qTAQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just read an account of an Ericsson telcom app that uses nearly 500K
processes. In production. For reals!

In picking "simple socket server" as the sample app I'm afraid I put
gloves on the two contestants.

Indeed the fight just wasn't bloody enough for my taste. I mean, who
wants love, peace and happiness anyway?

There's an Erlang meeting in the works (within the next few weeks) --
might be fun to up the anti with a *real* concurrency showdown!

Garrett

From guysensei1 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 22:27:44 2011
From: guysensei1 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Z3V5c2Vuc2VpMUBnbWFpbC5jb20=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:27:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] =?utf-8?q?Python_for_Mac_OS_X?=
Message-ID: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>

Which version of python should I get for Mac OS X 10.7? I am new to programming. Thanks. 

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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Sep  9 22:28:50 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:28:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wrkuRLW7jaVBh_5ehq5P1mKcnbrF-EfMamVwkJSieEReQ@mail.gmail.com>

This one: http://python.org/ftp/python/2.7.2/python-2.7.2-macosx10.6.dmg


-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Sep  9 22:31:00 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:31:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wrkuRLW7jaVBh_5ehq5P1mKcnbrF-EfMamVwkJSieEReQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
	<CAJD01wrkuRLW7jaVBh_5ehq5P1mKcnbrF-EfMamVwkJSieEReQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wpt1b_EnJosB6qD0OdehyAsXNLFXab7BKxhiHBKbqD9YQ@mail.gmail.com>

The one included with mac os x is often buggy and outdated.
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 22:33:17 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:33:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38txn7j0nrgJcwmaQHzhgbAgBgHfuvocPDe=aPvJN5HF0A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:27 PM, guysensei1 at gmail.com
<guysensei1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Which version of python should I get for Mac OS X 10.7? I am new to
> programming. Thanks.
>

I am really not deterring you from asking on this list; however, I am
aware of a Mac Python SIG mailing list found here
http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/pythonmac-sig/.

I found some os specific stuff as well as some general knowledge there
in the past.

Happy Mac Programming, Brian

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 22:37:07 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:37:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38txn7j0nrgJcwmaQHzhgbAgBgHfuvocPDe=aPvJN5HF0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
	<CANKg38txn7j0nrgJcwmaQHzhgbAgBgHfuvocPDe=aPvJN5HF0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1784E69-CA9A-4EE0-BFFC-779B63D971F3@gmail.com>

+1 to my brother (Brian Herman). Although I have seen that the default python is 2.7.1 you should download the latest python anyways since the time between releases usually lags behind the releases of python. I use python on a mac extensively so me and my brother should be able to answer your questions.


From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Sep  9 22:39:21 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:39:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raOM9ZmXrsW2YGQ=4aGxLTJS20c-_LSkvcNazWNc7MDjA@mail.gmail.com>

You can try the distribution Joshua mentioned, but another way to use
python on a mac is to use the homebrew mac package manager and have it
control your python versions for you. That's what I use. I'm not sure
how new you are to doing like this on a mac, though. If you are
completely new to it, then I think going with what Joshua said is
probably the best.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:27 PM, guysensei1 at gmail.com
<guysensei1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Which version of python should I get for Mac OS X 10.7? I am new to
> programming. Thanks.



-- 
sheila

From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 22:49:54 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:49:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <F1784E69-CA9A-4EE0-BFFC-779B63D971F3@gmail.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
	<CANKg38txn7j0nrgJcwmaQHzhgbAgBgHfuvocPDe=aPvJN5HF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1784E69-CA9A-4EE0-BFFC-779B63D971F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANKg38u_e4xacJPx4=MO1LcmjU1H36GBmuDYDtov5_5=LRVOLw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to my brother (Brian Herman). Although I have seen that the default python is 2.7.1 you should download the latest python anyways since the time between releases usually lags behind the releases of python. I use python on a mac extensively so me and my brother should be able to answer your questions.
>

Yes, you have been Hermanized. You two must have been just sitting
there waiting for that ;)

On a side note, last couple times I set up a new project I used
virtual_env http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/index.html and
virtual_env_wrapper.
http://www.doughellmann.com/projects/virtualenvwrapper/ you might be
ahead of the game if you have time to tinker with those a bit, too.
They work on the OSX.

-- Brian

From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Sep  9 23:15:34 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38u_e4xacJPx4=MO1LcmjU1H36GBmuDYDtov5_5=LRVOLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
	<CANKg38txn7j0nrgJcwmaQHzhgbAgBgHfuvocPDe=aPvJN5HF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1784E69-CA9A-4EE0-BFFC-779B63D971F3@gmail.com>
	<CANKg38u_e4xacJPx4=MO1LcmjU1H36GBmuDYDtov5_5=LRVOLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rYZJYkrayPPFknWJ1oyOfhBACW0h3viQ-NEDdfWyMxawg@mail.gmail.com>

I thought about suggesting this (I am using homebrew'd pythons, along
with virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper) but I thought maybe it would be
overwhelming to suggest for someone who is just starting. Is this
wrong?

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> On a side note, last couple times I set up a new project I used
> virtual_env http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/index.html and
> virtual_env_wrapper.
> http://www.doughellmann.com/projects/virtualenvwrapper/ you might be
> ahead of the game if you have time to tinker with those a bit, too.
> They work on the OSX.



-- 
sheila

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 02:12:52 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 19:12:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Smackdown rethink
In-Reply-To: <CACU=p6tHk48N10FSAJj-hnn+PyfMTfcpPS6oqK2Oy0rwo0qTAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACU=p6tHk48N10FSAJj-hnn+PyfMTfcpPS6oqK2Oy0rwo0qTAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zmJq_h4Eb7PnTJLv2YS77i3GRA8UgpMfp5JFT8vNPv0rw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure stackless python with EVE Online has something comparable.


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
> I just read an account of an Ericsson telcom app that uses nearly 500K
> processes. In production. For reals!
>
> In picking "simple socket server" as the sample app I'm afraid I put
> gloves on the two contestants.
>
> Indeed the fight just wasn't bloody enough for my taste. I mean, who
> wants love, peace and happiness anyway?
>
> There's an Erlang meeting in the works (within the next few weeks) --
> might be fun to up the anti with a *real* concurrency showdown!
>
> Garrett
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 02:16:53 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 19:16:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwoxnQT+CY=NzxBEX=s_oTacu2ZmGdzMxHCWWc_GUsmFUw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 15:27, guysensei1 at gmail.com <guysensei1 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Which version of python should I get for Mac OS X 10.7? I am new to
> programming. Thanks.


http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2/
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From guysensei1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 03:16:19 2011
From: guysensei1 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Z3V5c2Vuc2VpMUBnbWFpbC5jb20=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:16:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] =?utf-8?q?Python_for_Mac_OS_X?=
Message-ID: <4e6aba54.e96eec0a.7e69.278a@mx.google.com>

Thanks to all.

----- Reply message -----
From: "Brian Curtin" <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
Date: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 7:16 pm
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 15:27, guysensei1 at gmail.com <guysensei1 at gmail.com> wrote:

Which version of python should I get for Mac OS X 10.7? I am new to programming. Thanks.

http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2/?
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 03:43:34 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 20:43:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38u_e4xacJPx4=MO1LcmjU1H36GBmuDYDtov5_5=LRVOLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e6a76b1.828aec0a.413c.3346@mx.google.com>
	<CANKg38txn7j0nrgJcwmaQHzhgbAgBgHfuvocPDe=aPvJN5HF0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1784E69-CA9A-4EE0-BFFC-779B63D971F3@gmail.com>
	<CANKg38u_e4xacJPx4=MO1LcmjU1H36GBmuDYDtov5_5=LRVOLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9058ABF7-930E-4BD8-A270-C65915C3D9D5@gmail.com>

Heh, that was pretty funny being Hermanized.
On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Brian Ray wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 to my brother (Brian Herman). Although I have seen that the default python is 2.7.1 you should download the latest python anyways since the time between releases usually lags behind the releases of python. I use python on a mac extensively so me and my brother should be able to answer your questions.
>> 
> 
> Yes, you have been Hermanized. You two must have been just sitting
> there waiting for that ;)
> 
> On a side note, last couple times I set up a new project I used
> virtual_env http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/index.html and
> virtual_env_wrapper.
> http://www.doughellmann.com/projects/virtualenvwrapper/ you might be
> ahead of the game if you have time to tinker with those a bit, too.
> They work on the OSX.
> 
> -- Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From tathagatadg at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 17:03:12 2011
From: tathagatadg at gmail.com (Tathagata Dasgupta)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:03:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
Message-ID: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>

What do guys think of list revolution?

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html


-- 
Cheers,
T

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Sat Sep 10 17:08:57 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:08:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
In-Reply-To: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B67F531-8489-4D07-94A0-E260BF5F2F1E@cs.depaul.edu>

I thought this was settled. ;-)

http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html

On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta wrote:

> What do guys think of list revolution?
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> T
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From sal at spoton.com  Sat Sep 10 17:15:09 2011
From: sal at spoton.com (Sal Lara)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:15:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
In-Reply-To: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG3bmC_EZyKcurogi5-i8UmStB1MJhFf89yL7vtXnz4P13ZAhQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think it's super-overdue. I honestly can't even think of that many places
in my code where I depend on the actual numerical index value of a list
element. That in and of itself isn't very pythonic, right? However, were the
first list element actually 1, many who answer yes to my question might feel
differently.
*
*-Sal

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta
<tathagatadg at gmail.com>wrote:

> What do guys think of list revolution?
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> T
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 17:26:22 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:26:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
In-Reply-To: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwrwa5DCrFfZTx8eGGr9j+cvgLFHSRy4cjJ0RM7RQm_E0A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03, Tathagata Dasgupta <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
> What do guys think of list revolution?
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html

It's hilarious.

From herbieman2000 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 17:27:30 2011
From: herbieman2000 at gmail.com (Frank Duncan)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:27:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
In-Reply-To: <CAG3bmC_EZyKcurogi5-i8UmStB1MJhFf89yL7vtXnz4P13ZAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG3bmC_EZyKcurogi5-i8UmStB1MJhFf89yL7vtXnz4P13ZAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I foresee a lot of off by one errors :P

Though there are good reasons to start at zero.  Here is one:

Consider two lists, one twice the size of the other, and you'd like to
match up either the first list with 2*idx or 2*idx + 1 of the second.
It becomes very cumbersome to do so if you don't start at zero.

A more common example of this, for me, is doing layout design.  I have
a list of X widgets, each Y wide, that I'd like to position on the
screen.  I simply keep track of the index and do X*Y*idx to find the
correct lefthand placement.  Imagine if we started pixel placement at
1 (because pixels on the screen are just a list too, right?  why make
the leftmost pixel be zero when counting things should start at 1?)

So I'd have to do X * Y * (idx - 1) + 1

That seems odd to me.

The fact is that zero plays very well with multiplication and addition
when talking about placement.  One does not play so well.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Sal Lara <sal at spoton.com> wrote:
> I think it's super-overdue. I honestly can't even think of that many places
> in my code where I depend on the actual numerical index value of a list
> element. That in and of itself isn't very pythonic, right? However, were the
> first list element actually 1, many who answer yes to my question might feel
> differently.
>
> -Sal
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta <tathagatadg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> What do guys think of list revolution?
>>
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> T
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Sat Sep 10 18:29:07 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:29:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
In-Reply-To: <CAG3bmC_EZyKcurogi5-i8UmStB1MJhFf89yL7vtXnz4P13ZAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG3bmC_EZyKcurogi5-i8UmStB1MJhFf89yL7vtXnz4P13ZAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68DC7E4F-0855-46C8-A800-93BD32133DD4@cs.depaul.edu>

I have a proposal to resolve the issue

class List(list):
    """                                                                                                                                                                                           
    >>> a=List()                                                                                                                                                                                  
    >>> for i in range(100000): a.append(i)                                                                                                                                                       
    >>> print a.first                                                                                                                                                                             
    0                                                                                                                                                                                             
    >>> print a.second                                                                                                                                                                            
    1                                                                                                                                                                                             
    >>> print a.third                                                                                                                                                                             
    2                                                                                                                                                                                             
    >>> print a.twentieth                                                                                                                                                                         
    19                                                                                                                                                                                            
    >>> print a.twentysecond                                                                                                                                                                      
    21                                                                                                                                                                                            
    >>> print a.onehundredthirtyfifth                                                                                                                                                             
    134                                                                                                                                                                                           
    >>> print a.onethousandfivehundredandthirtyeighth                                                                                                                                                
    1537                                                                                                                                                                                          
    """
    def __getattr__(self,name):
        import re
        if name.endswith('first'): name = name[:-5]+'one'
        elif name.endswith('second'): name = name[:-6]+'two'
        elif name.endswith('third'): name = name[:-5]+'three'
        elif name.endswith('fth'): name = name[:-3]+'ve'
        elif name.endswith('hth'): name = name[:-3]+'th'
        elif name.endswith('ieth'): name = name[:-4]+'y'
        elif name.endswith('th'): name = name[:-2]
        subs = {
            'one':'+1',
            'two':'+2',
            'three':'+3',
            'four':'+4',
            'five':'+5',
            'six':'+6',
            'seven':'+7',
            'eigth':'+8',
            'nine':'+9',
            'ten':'+10',
            'eleven':'+11',
            'twelve':'+12',
            'thirteen':'+13',
            'fourteen':'+14',
            'fiftheen':'+15',
            'sixteen':'+16',
            'seventeen':'+17',
            'eighteen':'+18',
            'nineteen':'+19',
            'ten':'+10',
            'twenty':'+20',
            'thirty':'+30',
            'fourty':'+40',
            'fifthy':'+50',
            'sixtith':'+60',
            'seventy':'+70',
            'eighty':'+80',
            'ninety':'+90',
            'hundred':')*100+(',
            'thousand':')*1000+(',
            'million':')*1000000+(',
            'billion':')*1000000000+(',
            'trillion':')*100000000000+(',
            'and',''}
        for key,value in subs.items(): name = name.replace(key,value)
        if '(' in name: name='('+name+')'
        name.replace('()','1')
        if not re.compile('[\d\+\*\(\)]+').match(name): return AttributeError
        try: return self[eval(name)-1]
        except: raise AttributeError


On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Sal Lara wrote:

> I think it's super-overdue. I honestly can't even think of that many places in my code where I depend on the actual numerical index value of a list element. That in and of itself isn't very pythonic, right? However, were the first list element actually 1, many who answer yes to my question might feel differently.
> 
> -Sal
> 
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
> What do guys think of list revolution?
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
> 
> 
> --
> Cheers,
> T
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Sat Sep 10 18:40:37 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:40:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution - errata
In-Reply-To: <68DC7E4F-0855-46C8-A800-93BD32133DD4@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG3bmC_EZyKcurogi5-i8UmStB1MJhFf89yL7vtXnz4P13ZAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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class List(list):
    """                                                                                                                                                                                          
    >>> a=List()                                                                                                                                                                                 
    >>> for i in range(100000): a.append(i)                                                                                                                                                      
    >>> print a.first                                                                                                                                                                            
    0                                                                                                                                                                                            
    >>> print a.second                                                                                                                                                                           
    1                                                                                                                                                                                            
    >>> print a.third                                                                                                                                                                            
    2                                                                                                                                                                                            
    >>> print a.twentieth                                                                                                                                                                        
    19                                                                                                                                                                                           
    >>> print a.twentysecond                                                                                                                                                                     
    21                                                                                                                                                                                           
    >>> print a.onehundredthirtyfifth                                                                                                                                                            
    134                                                                                                                                                                                          
    >>> print a.onethousandfivehundredthirtyeighth                                                                                                                                               
    1537                                                                                                                                                                                         
    """
    def __getattr__(self,name):
        import re
        if name.endswith('first'): name = name[:-5]+'one'
        elif name.endswith('second'): name = name[:-6]+'two'
        elif name.endswith('third'): name = name[:-5]+'three'
        elif name.endswith('fth'): name = name[:-3]+'ve'
        elif name.endswith('hth'): name = name[:-3]+'th'
        elif name.endswith('ieth'): name = name[:-4]+'y'
        elif name.endswith('th'): name = name[:-2]
        subs = [
            ("eleven","+11"),
            ("twelve","+12"),
            ("thirteen","+13"),
            ("fourteen","+14"),
            ("fiftheen","+15"),
            ("sixteen","+16"),
            ("seventeen","+17"),
            ("eighteen","+18"),
            ("nineteen","+19"),
            ("ten","+10"),
            ("twenty","+20"),
            ("thirty","+30"),
            ("fourty","+40"),
            ("fifthy","+50"),
            ("sixty","+60"),
            ("seventy","+70"),
            ("eighty","+80"),
            ("ninety","+90"),
            ("one","+1"),
            ("two","+2"),
            ("three","+3"),
            ("four","+4"),
            ("five","+5"),
            ("six","+6"),
            ("seven","+7"),
            ("eigth","+8"),
            ("nine","+9"),
            ("ten","+10"),
            ("hundred",")*100+("),
            ("thousand",")*1000+("),
            ("million",")*1000000+("),
            ("billion",")*1000000000+("),
            ("trillion",")*100000000000+("),
            ("and","")]
        for key,value in subs:
            name = name.replace(key,value)
        if '(' in name: name='('+name+')'
        name.replace('()','1')
        if not re.compile('[\d\+\*\(\)]+').match(name): return AttributeError
        try: return self[eval(name)-1]
        except: raise AttributeError


From bherma3 at uic.edu  Sat Sep 10 18:43:03 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:43:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution - errata
In-Reply-To: <039BD58E-E917-402C-AF9F-9F23D0B9BCCB@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG3bmC_EZyKcurogi5-i8UmStB1MJhFf89yL7vtXnz4P13ZAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<68DC7E4F-0855-46C8-A800-93BD32133DD4@cs.depaul.edu>
	<039BD58E-E917-402C-AF9F-9F23D0B9BCCB@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wrRnTdcPMi_tn0jxLfafkZ0so+UhxOjv=akGJdRd=JiPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Solution fork python call it python-1.


On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu
> wrote:

>
> class List(list):
>    """
>    >>> a=List()
>    >>> for i in range(100000): a.append(i)
>    >>> print a.first
>    0
>    >>> print a.second
>    1
>    >>> print a.third
>    2
>    >>> print a.twentieth
>    19
>    >>> print a.twentysecond
>    21
>    >>> print a.onehundredthirtyfifth
>    134
>    >>> print a.onethousandfivehundredthirtyeighth
>    1537
>    """
>    def __getattr__(self,name):
>        import re
>        if name.endswith('first'): name = name[:-5]+'one'
>        elif name.endswith('second'): name = name[:-6]+'two'
>        elif name.endswith('third'): name = name[:-5]+'three'
>        elif name.endswith('fth'): name = name[:-3]+'ve'
>        elif name.endswith('hth'): name = name[:-3]+'th'
>        elif name.endswith('ieth'): name = name[:-4]+'y'
>        elif name.endswith('th'): name = name[:-2]
>        subs = [
>            ("eleven","+11"),
>            ("twelve","+12"),
>            ("thirteen","+13"),
>            ("fourteen","+14"),
>            ("fiftheen","+15"),
>            ("sixteen","+16"),
>            ("seventeen","+17"),
>            ("eighteen","+18"),
>            ("nineteen","+19"),
>            ("ten","+10"),
>            ("twenty","+20"),
>            ("thirty","+30"),
>            ("fourty","+40"),
>            ("fifthy","+50"),
>            ("sixty","+60"),
>            ("seventy","+70"),
>            ("eighty","+80"),
>            ("ninety","+90"),
>            ("one","+1"),
>            ("two","+2"),
>            ("three","+3"),
>            ("four","+4"),
>            ("five","+5"),
>            ("six","+6"),
>            ("seven","+7"),
>            ("eigth","+8"),
>            ("nine","+9"),
>            ("ten","+10"),
>            ("hundred",")*100+("),
>            ("thousand",")*1000+("),
>            ("million",")*1000000+("),
>            ("billion",")*1000000000+("),
>            ("trillion",")*100000000000+("),
>            ("and","")]
>        for key,value in subs:
>            name = name.replace(key,value)
>        if '(' in name: name='('+name+')'
>        name.replace('()','1')
>        if not re.compile('[\d\+\*\(\)]+').match(name): return
> AttributeError
>        try: return self[eval(name)-1]
>        except: raise AttributeError
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 18:43:19 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
In-Reply-To: <68DC7E4F-0855-46C8-A800-93BD32133DD4@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG3bmC_EZyKcurogi5-i8UmStB1MJhFf89yL7vtXnz4P13ZAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Massimo you are a gentleman and a scholar!


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I have a proposal to resolve the issue
> class List(list):
> ?? ?"""
>
>
> ?? ?>>> a=List()
>
>
> ?? ?>>> for i in range(100000): a.append(i)
>
>
> ?? ?>>> print a.first
>
>
> ?? ?0
>
>
> ?? ?>>> print a.second
>
>
> ?? ?1
>
>
> ?? ?>>> print a.third
>
>
> ?? ?2
>
>
> ?? ?>>> print a.twentieth
>
>
> ?? ?19
>
>
> ?? ?>>> print a.twentysecond
>
>
> ?? ?21
>
>
> ?? ?>>> print a.onehundredthirtyfifth
>
>
> ?? ?134
>
>
> ?? ?>>> print a.onethousandfivehundredandthirtyeighth
>
>
> ?? ?1537
>
>
> ?? ?"""
> ?? ?def __getattr__(self,name):
> ?? ? ? ?import re
> ?? ? ? ?if name.endswith('first'): name = name[:-5]+'one'
> ?? ? ? ?elif name.endswith('second'): name = name[:-6]+'two'
> ?? ? ? ?elif name.endswith('third'): name = name[:-5]+'three'
> ?? ? ? ?elif name.endswith('fth'): name = name[:-3]+'ve'
> ?? ? ? ?elif name.endswith('hth'): name = name[:-3]+'th'
> ?? ? ? ?elif name.endswith('ieth'): name = name[:-4]+'y'
> ?? ? ? ?elif name.endswith('th'): name = name[:-2]
> ?? ? ? ?subs = {
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'one':'+1',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'two':'+2',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'three':'+3',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'four':'+4',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'five':'+5',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'six':'+6',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'seven':'+7',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'eigth':'+8',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'nine':'+9',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'ten':'+10',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'eleven':'+11',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'twelve':'+12',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'thirteen':'+13',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'fourteen':'+14',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'fiftheen':'+15',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'sixteen':'+16',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'seventeen':'+17',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'eighteen':'+18',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'nineteen':'+19',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'ten':'+10',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'twenty':'+20',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'thirty':'+30',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'fourty':'+40',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'fifthy':'+50',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'sixtith':'+60',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'seventy':'+70',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'eighty':'+80',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'ninety':'+90',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'hundred':')*100+(',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'thousand':')*1000+(',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'million':')*1000000+(',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'billion':')*1000000000+(',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'trillion':')*100000000000+(',
> ?? ? ? ? ? ?'and',''}
> ?? ? ? ?for key,value in subs.items():?name = name.replace(key,value)
> ?? ? ? ?if '(' in name: name='('+name+')'
> ?? ? ? ?name.replace('()','1')
> ?? ? ? ?if not re.compile('[\d\+\*\(\)]+').match(name): return
> AttributeError
> ?? ? ? ?try: return self[eval(name)-1]
> ?? ? ? ?except: raise AttributeError
>
> On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Sal Lara wrote:
>
> I think it's super-overdue. I honestly can't even think of that many places
> in my code where I depend on the actual numerical index value of a list
> element. That in and of itself isn't very pythonic, right? However, were the
> first list element actually 1, many who answer yes to my question might feel
> differently.
>
> -Sal
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta <tathagatadg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> What do guys think of list revolution?
>>
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> T
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 19:09:44 2011
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:09:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] My Erlang/Python Job Scheduler
Message-ID: <CAFmpWQA0cGF9L5KHMmN1CYUY1W7_kuU4z1n8f1Zx2+ZNTzCK_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Some people expressed interest in the job scheduler I have been writing. The
source can be found here: https://github.com/dgriff1/HQ-Scheduler

We are close to finishing it and are testing it right now. We also need to
finish our packaging scripts and will provide nice installers.

The main features are:
- Remote execution of tasks on agents, capturing stdout/stderr, specifying
start in directory and feeding stdin.
- Ability to integrate with just about any platform and language.
- Schedule tasks just about any way you can imagine.
- Free and Open Source.

If you have questions ask away, if you want to use it when its done send me
an email off the list.

Thanks,
Dan
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 21:28:03 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:28:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
In-Reply-To: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+VOWAEfEx2XFofKYctTrmiMMrD2USsoXCqc1N0Yr-T20Y1DCA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta
<tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
> What do guys think of list revolution?
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html

Do not want!

Starting at zero always made a lot of sense to me.  When you start
running around a track you start at zero.  After you run around once,
you've completed one lap.  The same thing applies to a new born child.
 They are born at zero years old.

>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> T
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 21:33:21 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:33:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
In-Reply-To: <CA+VOWAEfEx2XFofKYctTrmiMMrD2USsoXCqc1N0Yr-T20Y1DCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB32_MPq1cifs+HUkJWMNtWFWNMHAbGVJuaJwc_3SLvQ26X+fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+VOWAEfEx2XFofKYctTrmiMMrD2USsoXCqc1N0Yr-T20Y1DCA@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh it was a joke. I am laughing now. Nervously.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011462.html

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta
> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What do guys think of list revolution?
>>
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
>
> Do not want!
>
> Starting at zero always made a lot of sense to me. ?When you start
> running around a track you start at zero. ?After you run around once,
> you've completed one lap. ?The same thing applies to a new born child.
> ?They are born at zero years old.
>

From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 21:34:36 2011
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
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This is called 0-indexing.  It's only confusing to people very new to
programming.  And, in fact, serves as a first hurdle that sets them up
to actually learn.

I believe Guido is trolling this guy.  But if Python really abandons
0-indexing, I will be the first to leave.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta
> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What do guys think of list revolution?
>>
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
>
> Do not want!
>
> Starting at zero always made a lot of sense to me. ?When you start
> running around a track you start at zero. ?After you run around once,
> you've completed one lap. ?The same thing applies to a new born child.
> ?They are born at zero years old.
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> T
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 23:01:25 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:01:25 -0500
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On Sep 10, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta
> <tathagatadg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What do guys think of list revolution?
>> 
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
> 
> Do not want!
> 
> Starting at zero always made a lot of sense to me.  When you start
> running around a track you start at zero.  After you run around once,
> you've completed one lap.  The same thing applies to a new born child.
> They are born at zero years old.
> 

Zero is a position, one is a quantity, IMHO



From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Sat Sep 10 23:18:18 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:18:18 -0500
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 00:20:54 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
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When I first learned python I thought lists were linked lists having
com e from a Lisp background. Although, what is probably most likely
that python could do is introduce a LinkedList class and keep the name
of Lists.

The culture of Python has formed around list and the inertia of
changing that name is extremely high but people would easily see the
value of introducing a linked list class.

As for the syntax that Tal proposes I think its interesting but it has
the problem of breaking old code. Maybe in Python 4.x .

---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> All joking (?!) aside, Python lists are more like arrays/vectors in other
> languages. It might make sense to introduce another basic type that's more
> list-like, like a linked list (and change the name of Python's 'list' to
> 'array'). A true list starts when it starts, and direct ordinal reference is
> often discouraged in favor of traversal. For beginners, this would put them
> on the right track for thinking in terms of dynamic data structures.
>
> Numbers are still applicable, but they are "counters" rather than confusing
> zero-or-one-based "indexers". Something like this:
>
> x = list()
> i = list.iterator()
> i.forward(3)
> i.insert('hi')
>
> It's clear what '3' means there. Of course, the Python Gods can decide to
> add some syntactic sugar in the language for it, something like this:
>
> x = list()
> i = list!
> i forward 3
> i! = 'hi'
>
> Compacted:
>
> (list! forward 3)! = 'hi'
>
> -Tal
>
> On 09/10/2011 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta wrote:
>
> What do guys think of list revolution?
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Sun Sep 11 00:26:18 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:26:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
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http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011462.html

I think I'm doing okay. :-)

(And to those taking the thread seriously: this is all in jest. We
won't change the indexing base. The idea is so preposterous that the
only kind of response possible is to laugh with it.)

--Guido


On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> When I first learned python I thought lists were linked lists having
> com e from a Lisp background. Although, what is probably most likely
> that python could do is introduce a LinkedList class and keep the name
> of Lists.
>
> The culture of Python has formed around list and the inertia of
> changing that name is extremely high but people would easily see the
> value of introducing a linked list class.
>
> As for the syntax that Tal proposes I think its interesting but it has
> the problem of breaking old code. Maybe in Python 4.x .
>
> ---Profile:---
> http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> wrote:
> > All joking (?!) aside, Python lists are more like arrays/vectors in other
> > languages. It might make sense to introduce another basic type that's
> more
> > list-like, like a linked list (and change the name of Python's 'list' to
> > 'array'). A true list starts when it starts, and direct ordinal reference
> is
> > often discouraged in favor of traversal. For beginners, this would put
> them
> > on the right track for thinking in terms of dynamic data structures.
> >
> > Numbers are still applicable, but they are "counters" rather than
> confusing
> > zero-or-one-based "indexers". Something like this:
> >
> > x = list()
> > i = list.iterator()
> > i.forward(3)
> > i.insert('hi')
> >
> > It's clear what '3' means there. Of course, the Python Gods can decide to
> > add some syntactic sugar in the language for it, something like this:
> >
> > x = list()
> > i = list!
> > i forward 3
> > i! = 'hi'
> >
> > Compacted:
> >
> > (list! forward 3)! = 'hi'
> >
> > -Tal
> >
> > On 09/10/2011 10:03 AM, Tathagata Dasgupta wrote:
> >
> > What do guys think of list revolution?
> >
> > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2011-September/011448.html
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Sun Sep 11 00:33:23 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:33:23 -0500
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 00:37:12 2011
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Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:37:12 -0500
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Something like
List = [1 , 2 , 3 , 4]
traverse n in List:
   n = n + 1
Would return

[2,3,4,5]

This is really syntactic sugar for

map(lambda x: x=x+1, List)
 
On Sep 10, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Tal Liron wrote:

> On 09/10/2011 05:20 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:
>> 
>> When I first learned python I thought lists were linked lists having
>> com e from a Lisp background. Although, what is probably most likely
>> that python could do is introduce a LinkedList class and keep the name
>> of Lists.
> Python has a lot of features inspired by functional languages: sequences, generators and (rather enervated) lambdas. I think the "for" and "yield" keywords support these very naturally and transparently for beginners and advanced programmers alike.
> 
> Of course, we can all implement LinkedLists, etc., on our own via classes and functions. What I'm personally missing in Python is a natural syntax for iteration and traversal, as natural as "for" is. This traversal would be able to handle everything from singly-linked lists, through double-linked lists, to graphs and hypergraphs. And, at the other end, something like "yield" that can cleanly generate these traversable structures.
> 
> Time for a PEP?
> 
> -Tal
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:54:09 -0500
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From sal at spoton.com  Sun Sep 11 17:37:05 2011
From: sal at spoton.com (Sal Lara)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:37:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
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Okay this is pretty embarrassing for me, as I totally didn't get that it was
a joke. Aware of the fact that I am speaking to a group of much more
experienced people, I humbly submit to you all that I still think starting
at 1 makes more sense. From a "natural semantics" perspective I mean, not
from a mathematical one. Zero is not a natural concept for the human mind.
You don't say "Well, I flew on an airplane for the zeroth time today!" or
"Bachelor number 0, what's your idea of a perfect date?". Back to the
Future, Back to the Future I, Back to the Future II? Nope.

Sal


On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>wrote:

> Something like
> List = [1 , 2 , 3 , 4]
> traverse n in List:
>    n = n + 1
> Would return
>
> [2,3,4,5]
>
> This is really syntactic sugar for
>
> map(lambda x: x=x+1, List)
>
> On Sep 10, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Tal Liron wrote:
>
> On 09/10/2011 05:20 PM, Joshua Herman wrote:
>
> When I first learned python I thought lists were linked lists having
> com e from a Lisp background. Although, what is probably most likely
> that python could do is introduce a LinkedList class and keep the name
> of Lists.
>
> Python has a lot of features inspired by functional languages: sequences,
> generators and (rather enervated) lambdas. I think the "for" and "yield"
> keywords support these very naturally and transparently for beginners and
> advanced programmers alike.
>
> Of course, we can all implement LinkedLists, etc., on our own via classes
> and functions. What I'm personally missing in Python is a natural syntax for
> iteration and traversal, as natural as "for" is. This traversal would be
> able to handle everything from singly-linked lists, through double-linked
> lists, to graphs and hypergraphs. And, at the other end, something like
> "yield" that can cleanly generate these traversable structures.
>
> Time for a PEP?
>
> -Tal
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From clydeforrester at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 18:03:40 2011
From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
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You have to know where to look. Humans love to deal with ordinal numbers 
(1st, 2nd, 3rd,...). Programmers work with offsets (from zero).

So where do humans find offsets? Well, I've got three stops to make, and 
then it's back to the warehouse. So where is the "zero"? The warehouse, 
the starting point, the point of origin.

Another example, then? Yeah, well, I'm drawin' a blank. Sorry. Maybe 
someone else can help.

But the point is: when you are standing on the 1st whatever, your 
distance to the 1st whatever is zero. That's the reality when you are 
programming. And that's where the worlds of zero-offset and 1st come 
together.

c4

Sal Lara wrote:
> Okay this is pretty embarrassing for me, as I totally didn't get that it 
> was a joke. Aware of the fact that I am speaking to a group of much more 
> experienced people, I humbly submit to you all that I still think 
> starting at 1 makes more sense. From a "natural semantics" perspective I 
> mean, not from a mathematical one. Zero is not a natural concept for the 
> human mind. You don't say "Well, I flew on an airplane for the zeroth 
> time today!" or "Bachelor number 0, what's your idea of a perfect 
> date?". Back to the Future, Back to the Future I, Back to the Future II? 
> Nope.
> 
> Sal

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 18:06:37 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:03, Clyde Forrester <clydeforrester at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to know where to look. Humans love to deal with ordinal numbers
> (1st, 2nd, 3rd,...). Programmers work with offsets (from zero).
>
> So where do humans find offsets? Well, I've got three stops to make, and
> then it's back to the warehouse. So where is the "zero"? The warehouse, the
> starting point, the point of origin.
>
> Another example, then? Yeah, well, I'm drawin' a blank. Sorry. Maybe someone
> else can help.

Time, distance, age

From orblivion at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 18:10:03 2011
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
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One of my functional programming friends told me that list counting tends to
start at 1 in those types of languages, because it makes mathematical sense.
I'm so used to programming that it just seems weird to me.
On Sep 11, 2011 10:37 AM, "Sal Lara" <sal at spoton.com> wrote:
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From mattkemp at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 18:28:18 2011
From: mattkemp at gmail.com (Matthew Kemp)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:28:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Graph traversal in Python: ideas
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Instead of coming up with a new specification for graphs why don't we start
with an existing implementation. They probably figured out most of the
corner cases and gotchas. In the past I've used NetworkX (
http://networkx.lanl.gov/). It supports most common graph functionality:
directed and undirected, weighted and unwieghted, standard graph traversal
algorithms. Also, arbitrary data can be attached to nodes and edges. Not
sure about hypergraph support.

Just my $.02


On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  On 09/10/2011 08:54 PM, Tal Liron wrote:
>
> So, I've taken the challenge more seriously:
>
> I should also add that it's possible to turn this proposal into support for
> hypergraphs.
>
> All that would need to be done is to have "to" and "from" be arbitrary
> objects instead of keywords, so that edges can connect to as many vertices
> as desired, rather than just having directionality. And then something like
> the "fromto" keyword could just be a tuple of these.
>
> I don't think this would make any serious difference to the implementation.
> However, hypergraphs are known to cause migraines: I've tried to keep the
> proposal as painless as possible at this point!
>
> Another thought is that "to" and "from", rather than being keywords, can be
> special values, like True and False. So, you could then use To and From for
> relationships, and ToFrom can equate to a tuple: (To, From). Voila:
> hypergraphs with Tylenol.
>
> -Tal
>
>
>
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Sun Sep 11 18:56:57 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:56:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Graph traversal in Python: ideas
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 19:08:14 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:08:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Narrative Science in NYT (from previous ChiPy meeting)
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqMJR-U-_x1A55qL1ESkgX8u1qND8WtyAk27p6sZ3OeYQ@mail.gmail.com>

If you remember the joint ChiPy/Hacks & Hackers meeting at the
Tribune, they just got some coverage in the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/business/computer-generated-articles-are-gaining-traction.html?_r=1

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 20:18:33 2011
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:18:33 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] List revolution
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Sal Lara <sal at spoton.com> wrote:
> Okay this is pretty embarrassing for me, as I totally didn't get that it was
> a joke. Aware of the fact that I am speaking to a group of much more
> experienced people, I humbly submit to you all that I still think starting
> at 1 makes more sense. From a "natural semantics" perspective I mean, not
> from a mathematical one. Zero is not a natural concept for the human mind.
> You don't say "Well, I flew on an airplane for the zeroth time today!" or
> "Bachelor number 0, what's your idea of a perfect date?". Back to the
> Future, Back to the Future I, Back to the Future II? Nope.
> Sal

Hey, if it's any consolation, I was taken in by it too, albeit
briefly, and I'm an old man, and presumably the wiser for it. **

What was going through my head were thoughts like "OMG, the BDFL has
finally lost it, how do we break it to him gently, early onset of
something exotic no doubt..."

So you can imagine my relief.

A little history:  I once thought converting print to a function was
an inside joke Guido floated just to add some hilarity, found out
later he was serious and hey, I like the new print( ).

Kirby
PSF 09

** re "old man" status:
http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2011/07/seniors-musings.html

From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 16:20:32 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
Message-ID: <CANKg38vznt9HMY2c71pEhnxTv3-YdxNJJ-mKub6vgH2RfYGd=A@mail.gmail.com>

This is a serious anti-startup idea. Not that I am anti-startup;
however, my point being this will perhaps be the next ChiPy mentoring
project and should be not-for-profit. I am proposing the idea for that
purpose; however, may do it regardless. Looking for feedback. Does it
already exist (not that I care). Will it be best ever or at least
releve some of us from having to see public job postings all the time.

This is a job hunter/finder site that will act like a dating site for
jobs. There are three roles (hence three bind mice):

1) Worker Mouse.  This person goes to a form and fills out all the
pieces of information that would normally make up their resume.

2) Hunter Mouse. This person goes to a job posting form and fills it
out with a great level of detail.

3) Moderator Mouse. This is an experienced HR dude that goes through
the inputs from (1) and (2) and makes "marriages",  They do not see
contact information for either. Only once a marriage between the two
occurs, can one or the other follow a link to obtain contact
information only after filling out a form that will help evaluate the
candidate. If they do not thing they are a good candidate or a it is a
good job, there is a place to say why and that is send that in place
of an introduction.  This helps the blind system be more verbose.

I do not necessarily object to the moderator getting paid on doing
work; however, perhaps we should save that idea for a future "Pro"
version and build this first.

Right now, if you fit any one of these three profiles and you want to
be a lab mouse for the experiment, please contact me off the list.  If
your really looking for a job I may start to make live introductions
and also use your information discretely to simulate the introduction
process. In other words, send me your jobs and resumes (I may regret
saying that), but do it now so we can get the ball moving. I would
like at least 10 resumes and 10 jobs. Yes, we will be making marriages
manually until the system is built so we can learn from the process.
Let's call this a no-code beta :P

Also, we need some "hacker mice."  Those already involved with the
mentor program will get priority.  Nonetheless, there is plenty of
work to be done on a project like this.

Concerning Python, although we will of build in Python. I am thinking
this can serve the open source community as a whole. It would be
pretty fun to brand a site with it's own nerdy look and feel.

This is going to be great.  Can I get a +1



-- 

Brian Ray

From heflin.rosst at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 16:23:36 2011
From: heflin.rosst at gmail.com (Ross Heflin)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:23:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
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Message-ID: <CAGy=3C7=eiVKYs6rcza6BFk2cSzPQbEVmdh6rdB4YDmT0CdFGw@mail.gmail.com>

potential hacker mouse here... +1
On Sep 13, 2011 9:20 AM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a serious anti-startup idea. Not that I am anti-startup;
> however, my point being this will perhaps be the next ChiPy mentoring
> project and should be not-for-profit. I am proposing the idea for that
> purpose; however, may do it regardless. Looking for feedback. Does it
> already exist (not that I care). Will it be best ever or at least
> releve some of us from having to see public job postings all the time.
>
> This is a job hunter/finder site that will act like a dating site for
> jobs. There are three roles (hence three bind mice):
>
> 1) Worker Mouse. This person goes to a form and fills out all the
> pieces of information that would normally make up their resume.
>
> 2) Hunter Mouse. This person goes to a job posting form and fills it
> out with a great level of detail.
>
> 3) Moderator Mouse. This is an experienced HR dude that goes through
> the inputs from (1) and (2) and makes "marriages", They do not see
> contact information for either. Only once a marriage between the two
> occurs, can one or the other follow a link to obtain contact
> information only after filling out a form that will help evaluate the
> candidate. If they do not thing they are a good candidate or a it is a
> good job, there is a place to say why and that is send that in place
> of an introduction. This helps the blind system be more verbose.
>
> I do not necessarily object to the moderator getting paid on doing
> work; however, perhaps we should save that idea for a future "Pro"
> version and build this first.
>
> Right now, if you fit any one of these three profiles and you want to
> be a lab mouse for the experiment, please contact me off the list. If
> your really looking for a job I may start to make live introductions
> and also use your information discretely to simulate the introduction
> process. In other words, send me your jobs and resumes (I may regret
> saying that), but do it now so we can get the ball moving. I would
> like at least 10 resumes and 10 jobs. Yes, we will be making marriages
> manually until the system is built so we can learn from the process.
> Let's call this a no-code beta :P
>
> Also, we need some "hacker mice." Those already involved with the
> mentor program will get priority. Nonetheless, there is plenty of
> work to be done on a project like this.
>
> Concerning Python, although we will of build in Python. I am thinking
> this can serve the open source community as a whole. It would be
> pretty fun to brand a site with it's own nerdy look and feel.
>
> This is going to be great. Can I get a +1
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 16:26:29 2011
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:26:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
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Even though you're not giving out contact information, any head hunter
worth his snuff is going to find it. Someone with a resume "good"
enough to be "married" will probably have a few things stand out that
a recruiter could use on google to find that person's email.

Our industry is unique in that we tend to be active on the internet.
This is different than a dating site where 99% of the participants are
not going to have anything more than a Facebook profile.

The idea itself is not bad, but I would not rely on the contact
information being hidden until marriage.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a serious anti-startup idea. Not that I am anti-startup;
> however, my point being this will perhaps be the next ChiPy mentoring
> project and should be not-for-profit. I am proposing the idea for that
> purpose; however, may do it regardless. Looking for feedback. Does it
> already exist (not that I care). Will it be best ever or at least
> releve some of us from having to see public job postings all the time.
>
> This is a job hunter/finder site that will act like a dating site for
> jobs. There are three roles (hence three bind mice):
>
> 1) Worker Mouse. ?This person goes to a form and fills out all the
> pieces of information that would normally make up their resume.
>
> 2) Hunter Mouse. This person goes to a job posting form and fills it
> out with a great level of detail.
>
> 3) Moderator Mouse. This is an experienced HR dude that goes through
> the inputs from (1) and (2) and makes "marriages", ?They do not see
> contact information for either. Only once a marriage between the two
> occurs, can one or the other follow a link to obtain contact
> information only after filling out a form that will help evaluate the
> candidate. If they do not thing they are a good candidate or a it is a
> good job, there is a place to say why and that is send that in place
> of an introduction. ?This helps the blind system be more verbose.
>
> I do not necessarily object to the moderator getting paid on doing
> work; however, perhaps we should save that idea for a future "Pro"
> version and build this first.
>
> Right now, if you fit any one of these three profiles and you want to
> be a lab mouse for the experiment, please contact me off the list. ?If
> your really looking for a job I may start to make live introductions
> and also use your information discretely to simulate the introduction
> process. In other words, send me your jobs and resumes (I may regret
> saying that), but do it now so we can get the ball moving. I would
> like at least 10 resumes and 10 jobs. Yes, we will be making marriages
> manually until the system is built so we can learn from the process.
> Let's call this a no-code beta :P
>
> Also, we need some "hacker mice." ?Those already involved with the
> mentor program will get priority. ?Nonetheless, there is plenty of
> work to be done on a project like this.
>
> Concerning Python, although we will of build in Python. I am thinking
> this can serve the open source community as a whole. It would be
> pretty fun to brand a site with it's own nerdy look and feel.
>
> This is going to be great. ?Can I get a +1
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 16:37:42 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:20, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> 3) Moderator Mouse. This is an experienced HR dude that goes through
> the inputs from (1) and (2) and makes "marriages", ?They do not see
> contact information for either. Only once a marriage between the two
> occurs, can one or the other follow a link to obtain contact
> information only after filling out a form that will help evaluate the
> candidate. If they do not thing they are a good candidate or a it is a
> good job, there is a place to say why and that is send that in place
> of an introduction. ?This helps the blind system be more verbose.

I would hope this person is as far away from an HR type as possible.
In order to be a good matchmaker, they'd have to understand the
technologies involved to some degree, and have enough of an
understanding to gauge the level the hunter mouse is looking for and
the worker mouse has.

HR and recruiters are terrible at this.

From theslade at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 18:18:18 2011
From: theslade at gmail.com (Francesca Slade)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:18:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
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What's the benefit of having the job posters not be able to see the postings
themselves, and the reverse. What's the value added by making it secret?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:20, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 3) Moderator Mouse. This is an experienced HR dude that goes through
> > the inputs from (1) and (2) and makes "marriages",  They do not see
> > contact information for either. Only once a marriage between the two
> > occurs, can one or the other follow a link to obtain contact
> > information only after filling out a form that will help evaluate the
> > candidate. If they do not thing they are a good candidate or a it is a
> > good job, there is a place to say why and that is send that in place
> > of an introduction.  This helps the blind system be more verbose.
>
> I would hope this person is as far away from an HR type as possible.
> In order to be a good matchmaker, they'd have to understand the
> technologies involved to some degree, and have enough of an
> understanding to gauge the level the hunter mouse is looking for and
> the worker mouse has.
>
> HR and recruiters are terrible at this.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From vapor.noob at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 22:56:45 2011
From: vapor.noob at gmail.com (Dan Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
In-Reply-To: <CAEhatW_mwCgNbWVfTcWf6vyD8gqiv1_GGvYo2_r_ty9Ub_yYoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vznt9HMY2c71pEhnxTv3-YdxNJJ-mKub6vgH2RfYGd=A@mail.gmail.com>
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Would love to work on this. +1

-- 
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From meghan at 10gen.com  Wed Sep 14 04:39:49 2011
From: meghan at 10gen.com (Meghan Gill)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:39:49 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Mongo Chicago on October 18
Message-ID: <CAPiCn7oJsiLCbTVLPLScDC4rYfP08__TMST+a7o0woqU3DitpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all -

I wanted to invite you to join us for the upcoming MongoDB conference
in Chicago on Oct 18:

http://www.10gen.com/events/mongo-chicago-2011

Early bird pricing ends on Tuesday.

We are accepting talk proposals until Friday at
http://www.10gen.com/talk-proposal and will publish the agenda shortly
thereafter.

Hope to see some of you there, feel free to get in touch if you have
any questions.

Thanks
Meghan

From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 14 11:13:05 2011
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Several items that may be of interest to group members
Message-ID: <1315991585.33785.YahooMailClassic@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello,

While this may not be directly related to group topics, here are several items that may be of interest to group members.

1.) (shortest first) The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is now on Facebook and Twitter.? Join our Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59120137059) or follow us on Twitter (username:? chicagoacm).

2.) Next ACM Meeting: September 14, 2011

Next Chapter Meeting: Improving the Transit Experience with TransitGenie 

A joint Chicago Chapter ACM / Loyola University Computer Science Department meeting

Wednesday, September 14, 2011 
5:30 pm (Social Hour, light refreshments)
6:30 pm Presentation

Loyola University Water Tower Campus (Chicago/Michigan Area)
111 E. Pearson Street, Chicago IL 60611
Beane Ballroom (13th Floor, Lewis Towers)

Campus map: http://www.luc.edu/about/pdfs/wtc_may09.pdf

Admission: Free (General Admission, No Reserved Seats) 
Details at http://www.chicagoacm.org/.


Topic: Drivers have long enjoyed the benefits of GPS navigation systems in their cars. However, transit riders are not so lucky.

Since 2009, the BITS laboratory at UIC has been developing TransitGenie, a context-aware, real-time transit navigation system. Dr. Eriksson will discuss some of the challenges faced in developing TransitGenie, the design and motivation behind the system, their experiences interacting with transit riders and transit agencies over the past year, and upcoming developments.


Speaker: Dr. Jakob Eriksson is an assistant professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Prior to joining UIC in 2009, he spent two years at MIT as a postdoctoral associate, and received his Ph.D. at the University of California, Riverside.


Reservations: To make a reservation, use this form:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/chicagoacm.org/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDluWUJfUXJqbEpjSFRyaEpkblVGVnc6MA&ndplr=1

or send an e-mail to greg at neumarke.net


Thanks,

Jonathan Tonkin
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From ken at stox.org  Thu Sep 15 01:51:16 2011
From: ken at stox.org (Ken Stox)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Postgres conference in Chicago this week
Message-ID: <1316044278.23081.3.camel@daedelus.stox.org>


A quick FYI for anyone interested:

http://postgresopen.org/2011/home/


From allanlesage at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 04:01:41 2011
From: allanlesage at gmail.com (Allan LeSage)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:01:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
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I'd like to hijack this thread into a feature-exploration for the ChiPy Job
Board, as part of the revamped site, and as a task for the mentorship
program.

Brian has an original idea, and we've committed to a manual e-mail workflow
for the moment.  What are the first features to implement for the site
proper?  Possibly resume-submission and/or job-posting-submission?

Allan
(occasional ScrumMaster for the mentorship program)

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Dan Schmidt <vapor.noob at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would love to work on this. +1
>
> --
> *- Dan Schmidt*
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 04:27:02 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
In-Reply-To: <CACrkd55a9z=u+Eyv5OJByBhOpfbB+hzSn_WEDoXvLHyyyr-uxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Brian has an original idea, and we've committed to a manual e-mail workflow
> for the moment.  What are the first features to implement for the site
> proper?  Possibly resume-submission and/or job-posting-submission?--
>

You got it. That for sure is the fist task. Also, I have a stack of jobs and
resumes we can use as templates.  We should also take a look at the forms on
linked in, dice, and likes... this is going to be fun.

--Brian
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From adam.wonak at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 04:47:16 2011
From: adam.wonak at gmail.com (Adam Wonak)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:47:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Bilnd Mice ChiPy job board Idea
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38tG7_XQyzXV2aN62MDtAZgtTO8VsrqC-RHiia-z23u3pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38vznt9HMY2c71pEhnxTv3-YdxNJJ-mKub6vgH2RfYGd=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwrjEyYv2WBoiZ-0YaArPa7hzvOHJMtBm+4x8Ahb8UpO3g@mail.gmail.com>
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I am interested in working on this project too.  It sounds like an original
take on a saturated market. Also, it just sounds like fun!

Adam

On Wednesday, September 14, 2011, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Brian has an original idea, and we've committed to a manual e-mail
workflow for the moment.  What are the first features to implement for the
site proper?  Possibly resume-submission and/or job-posting-submission?--
>
> You got it. That for sure is the fist task. Also, I have a stack of jobs
and resumes we can use as templates.  We should also take a look at the
forms on linked in, dice, and likes... this is going to be fun.
>
> --Brian
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 17:09:02 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:09:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Blind Mice SIG and Focus Group
Message-ID: <CANKg38uri1uFqMLPffQSdvgYebu=kMpOrEy5keRw0njRZcJV3A@mail.gmail.com>

This is going to happen. I have enough Mice from these categories to
say that for sure. I would still like more mice.  Please let me know
if you are talent seaker, a job seaker, or a HR genius and you wish to
participate in this program.

Also, got some hackers but always could use some more. Now, we could
really use someone who wants to improve their front end skills.
Anybody want to do some site design work.

Let me know by Wed Next week. I will be sending an invite to a focus
group meeting where all involved with this project will talk about the
solution before we start development. I will arrange this off the
list; so, if your interested in this ChiPy sponsored event email me
now.

Thanks Brian



-- 

Brian Ray

From robert.sulzer at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 19:54:57 2011
From: robert.sulzer at gmail.com (Robert Sulzer)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:54:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting this week??
Message-ID: <CABWAqrMJf543vpuBq9ir9bjOP-jRwwNRDTFH--VmyabY0_6ong@mail.gmail.com>

Is there going to be a North meeting this week?


Robert
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From dean.sellis at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 17:26:02 2011
From: dean.sellis at gmail.com (Dean Sellis)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:26:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting this week??
In-Reply-To: <CABWAqrMJf543vpuBq9ir9bjOP-jRwwNRDTFH--VmyabY0_6ong@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWAqrMJf543vpuBq9ir9bjOP-jRwwNRDTFH--VmyabY0_6ong@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0A8CE2A-90AA-444B-ACDD-B47A4B2D47EE@gmail.com>

We're planning on having the meeting next week, on the 29th. Vern Ceder offered to host at Zoro Tools, Inc on Townline Rd in Mundelein. Vern also offered to reprise his PyCon talk about using Robots and Python to teach programming in high school.

If anyone else would like to talk next week let me know.  

I'll send out additional details early next week.

Dean


On Sep 18, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Robert Sulzer wrote:

> 
> 
> Is there going to be a North meeting this week?
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> Robert 
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 16:11:34 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting this week??
In-Reply-To: <A0A8CE2A-90AA-444B-ACDD-B47A4B2D47EE@gmail.com>
References: <CABWAqrMJf543vpuBq9ir9bjOP-jRwwNRDTFH--VmyabY0_6ong@mail.gmail.com>
	<A0A8CE2A-90AA-444B-ACDD-B47A4B2D47EE@gmail.com>
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The RSVP form is up on http://chipy.org for the North meeting.

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 16:22:18 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:22:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
Message-ID: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>

Good news, a sponsor has given us a larger than normal donation to help
cover ChiPy expenses for the next 6 months.

I filed with the state of illinois and the irs as non-profit so we could
open a bank account. If you ever want to see a statement, let me know.

The sponsor does not want their name on the internet for giving the donation
so I will tell you in person who it was if you ask me. They did not do it
for and do not want publicity because they just want to support the good
things we do. I think they were particularly interested in things like our
educational and mentoring programs as well as our traditional monthly
meetings.

How will we spend? I would like to see business as usual and help cover the
gap with things fall apart like if a host can not provide food. Of course,
we want to be frugal because these resources by no means are limitless nor
do they cover all of our needs for the next year. Nonetheless, this is a
step in the right direction for ChiPy and I think as others see the good
things we do, they too will be interested in supporting ChiPy.

-- 

Brian Ray



--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM
Subject: ChiPy Donation
To: XXXXXX

XXXX:

Thanks for the $5k, 100% of it is going to be used to expand the
organization ChiPy (Chicago Python User Group) which benefits Chicago by:

   - holding monthly meetings with presentations about the Python
   Programming Language
   - recording meetings and presenting those for public consumption
   - educate the community on Python
   - mentor programers in finding job placement
   - mentoring employers in finding talent
   - sponsor open source efforts

The donations will be used for things like:

   - purchasing food and drink for meetings
   - covering other meeting expenses
   - hosting of the chipy.org website and marketing efforts
   - Purchasing A/V equipment
   - recording and distribution of meetings
   - Food, drink, and materials for The ChiPy Mentoring Project and other
   educational efforts.

Again, thank you for your kindness. I look forward to helping the
organization grow and continue to do good things in Chicago.

Sincerely,

Brian Ray
ChiPy Organizer
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 16:10:08 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:10:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Last call for inclusion in Three Bild Mice focus group.
Message-ID: <CANKg38s9N_-TAg_wUcwkwXvC3dswziG0_Vx7uhmBHf=XxtTJCw@mail.gmail.com>

Of course, you can always help out with the project; nonetheless, I want to
send out off-the-list invites to a small focus group (in person) event where
we basically discuss what we want this software to do.  If you already
contacted me off the list indicating interest you are already included in my
list. If you contacted me and do not see in invite in the next couple of
days, then I may have missed you and please just send me an email reminding
me you want to be involved.

So, let me know if you wish to be involved.  Also, a couple of you will get
invited because I am encouraging your involvement. You can ignore me and
consider this spam if you are not interested. However, I do want to mention
that this effort is already getting recognized on some levels outside our
group. It is going to be the bigest and best ChiPy sponsored project to
date. I am excited.


-- 

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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Sep 21 16:51:54 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:51:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] CS/python tutors/advice
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rb0QokBwZ+jEx8zUL0_8OqXwUpWESwVhzQn0KPd0=oGGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I received a request off-list from someone who would like to find a
tutor in CS/python in the Hyde Park area. I suggested he jump in to
#chipy or post here. Perhaps also those of you who are interested in
general in helping others could start a wiki page on chipy.org for
people who are interested in helping others with your contact info,
areas of interest, availability.

Actually, if people have this information in a database somewhere, we
could have the mentoreds who are working on chipy.org perhaps code up
a view of it to generate the page.

-- 
sheila

From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Sep 21 17:00:20 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:00:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> I think they were?particularly?interested in things like our educational and
> mentoring programs as well as our traditional monthly meetings.
> How will we spend?
[snip]

I would like to have a pystar event and an openhatch event. I would
also like to see people graduate from those in to more advanced mentor
ship projects. I like the plover project and they need some new
features. Maybe Chris would also like more involvement in mediagoblin
and openhatch would feed nicely in to that.

I had not approached this list yet for the pystar/openhatch event
because I am not ready for it. I lack experience in running these
things and mentoring people, so what I am doing right now is helping
some people I met in another group mentor some students at Columbia
college for the apps4metro 2nd stage competition. I want mentoring
myself in being a mentor. So, I'd like to get some practice first
before moving ahead with this.

I was going to check my budget to see if it would be possible to have
some of the people (or maybe just one person) who has put on a pystar
or openhatch event before fly in and help for the weekend of the event
(I could probably manage a flight and a room, I hope). But if you
think this is a good idea maybe we could ask the sponsor if they are
okay with it. Incidently, I was going to float the idea as a PSF
sprint thing to see if they think it qualifies for one of those
mini-grants.

Btw, more detail on pystar/openhatch. I don't want alpha-geeks taking
it over and running the show because I feel that alpha-geeks tend to
take over discussions and drive things, and not everyone thrives in
that environment. People who do thrive in that environment are already
involved, typically. Since I would love to see people who do not fit
the typical profile of the type of alpha-geeks we have, I'd like to
have the folks running the show not be that profile. Which is why I
was thinking of calling in outside help from people who have already
run these events so that we could learn from them.


-- 
sheila

From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Wed Sep 21 17:42:22 2011
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:42:22 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] Textura is looking for Python, call Paul May
Message-ID: <922199448031534@127.0.0.1>

 Brian and ChiPy Members, great news on the 5K sponsorship. Congrats. 
 
 
 Textura is looking for Python developers. You'll be working with the latest software techniques and some very cooool people....
 
Job Description:
 
Textura builds web-based software for the Construction industry.  We are the recognized leader in our field with over 75,000 users.  As a Python Developer, you will develop the next-generation proprietary software and have the unique opportunity to directly impact the company's business results. 
  
Requirements:
 
.           A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application Python software development experience. 
 
.           Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus) 
 
.           Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume, commercial-grade web applications. 
 
Location is Deerfield

Click here to apply online

Paul

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c 312.925.1294
Paul May & Associates (PMA)
paul at paulmayassociates.com 

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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 19:12:08 2011
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:12:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Textura is looking for Python, call Paul May
In-Reply-To: <922199448031534@127.0.0.1>
References: <922199448031534@127.0.0.1>
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For a second I read that as contact "Ron May". :)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:
> ?Brian and ChiPy?Members,?great news on the 5K sponsorship. Congrats.
>
>
>
>
>
> ?Textura is looking for Python developers. You'll be working with the latest
> software techniques?and some very cooool people....
>
>
>
> Job Description:
>
>
>
> Textura builds web-based software for the Construction industry.? We are the
> recognized leader in our field with over 75,000 users.? As a Python
> Developer, you will develop the next-generation proprietary software and
> have the unique opportunity to directly impact the company's business
> results.
>
>
>
> Requirements:
>
>
>
> .?????????? A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
> Application Python software development experience.
>
>
>
> . ??????????Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
> development methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a
> plus)
>
>
>
> .?????????? Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
> volume, commercial-grade web applications.
>
>
>
> Location is Deerfield
>
>
>
> Click here to apply online
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> v 708.479.1111
>
> c 312.925.1294
>
> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>
> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Wed Sep 21 19:20:12 2011
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:20:12 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] Textura is looking for Python, call Paul May
Message-ID: <773339299580880@127.0.0.1>

whoooooooooo ;-), 
Call Ron with scoops and Paul for REAL jobs.

Paul

v 708.479.1111 
c 312.925.1294
Paul May & Associates (PMA)
paul at paulmayassociates.com 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates    
http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc 

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----- Original Message ----- 
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
From: Adam Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com>
Sent: 9/21/2011 12:12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Textura is looking for Python, call Paul May


For a second I read that as contact "Ron May". :)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:
>  Brian and ChiPy Members, great news on the 5K sponsorship. Congrats.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Textura is looking for Python developers. You'll be working with the latest
> software techniques and some very cooool people....
>
>
>
> Job Description:
>
>
>
> Textura builds web-based software for the Construction industry.  We are the
> recognized leader in our field with over 75,000 users.  As a Python
> Developer, you will develop the next-generation proprietary software and
> have the unique opportunity to directly impact the company's business
> results.
>
>
>
> Requirements:
>
>
>
> .           A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
> Application Python software development experience.
>
>
>
> .           Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
> development methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a
> plus)
>
>
>
> .           Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
> volume, commercial-grade web applications.
>
>
>
> Location is Deerfield
>
>
>
> Click here to apply online
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> v 708.479.1111
>
> c 312.925.1294
>
> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>
> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Thu Sep 22 02:01:35 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:01:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Textura is looking for Python, call Paul May
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQquuq-P5TyZUfa8e4JKHABh9daj+hTnM1V5AXDz3rPQGvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <922199448031534@127.0.0.1>
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Message-ID: <CAJD01wq87tK2c0mkEqPeodL9my=u+JRm2vV-tk_WmSFqV191Ng@mail.gmail.com>

You should totally bring that up in the interview.
LOL
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Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
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From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 02:03:53 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:03:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Textura is looking for Python, call Paul May
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References: <922199448031534@127.0.0.1>
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Yea I thought that too Adam.


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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> You should totally bring that up in the interview.
> LOL
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Thu Sep 22 04:02:00 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:02:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Best Python Code Ever.
Message-ID: <CAJD01wonX1OEDOCiXP2tX4bv9pBF6g35YC4BVOgKnp_UXC9YOg@mail.gmail.com>

>From Daily WTF:
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Python-Charmer.aspx

-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From jmwebstuff at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 20 15:44:47 2011
From: jmwebstuff at yahoo.com (Julie Bell)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:44:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting this week?
Message-ID: <1316526287.5553.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there going to be a North meeting?
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From massimo.dipierro at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 16:24:24 2011
From: massimo.dipierro at gmail.com (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:24:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>

Congratulations Brian!

On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Brian Ray wrote:

> Good news, a sponsor has given us a larger than normal donation to  
> help cover ChiPy expenses for the next 6 months.
>
> I filed with the state of illinois and the irs as non-profit so we  
> could open a bank account. If you ever want to see a statement, let  
> me know.
>
> The sponsor does not want their name on the internet for giving the  
> donation so I will tell you in person who it was if you ask me. They  
> did not do it for and do not want publicity because they just want  
> to support the good things we do. I think they were particularly  
> interested in things like our educational and mentoring programs as  
> well as our traditional monthly meetings.
>
> How will we spend? I would like to see business as usual and help  
> cover the gap with things fall apart like if a host can not provide  
> food. Of course, we want to be frugal because these resources by no  
> means are limitless nor do they cover all of our needs for the next  
> year. Nonetheless, this is a step in the right direction for ChiPy  
> and I think as others see the good things we do, they too will be  
> interested in supporting ChiPy.
>
> -- 
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM
> Subject: ChiPy Donation
> To: XXXXXX
>
> XXXX:
>
> Thanks for the $5k, 100% of it is going to be used to expand the  
> organization ChiPy (Chicago Python User Group) which benefits  
> Chicago by:
> holding monthly meetings with presentations about the Python  
> Programming Language
> recording meetings and presenting those for public consumption
> educate the community on Python
> mentor programers in finding job placement
> mentoring employers in finding talent
> sponsor open source efforts
> The donations will be used for things like:
> purchasing food and drink for meetings
> covering other meeting expenses
> hosting of the chipy.org website and marketing efforts
> Purchasing A/V equipment
> recording and distribution of meetings
> Food, drink, and materials for The ChiPy Mentoring Project and other  
> educational efforts.
> Again, thank you for your kindness. I look forward to helping the  
> organization grow and continue to do good things in Chicago.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Brian Ray
> ChiPy Organizer
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From Brian.Toby at ANL.gov  Wed Sep 21 17:13:19 2011
From: Brian.Toby at ANL.gov (Brian Toby)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] CS/python tutors/advice
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rb0QokBwZ+jEx8zUL0_8OqXwUpWESwVhzQn0KPd0=oGGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rb0QokBwZ+jEx8zUL0_8OqXwUpWESwVhzQn0KPd0=oGGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEA9C292-F9B5-4623-A56B-1B2AB2DB1F44@ANL.gov>

Not to cut into anyone's earnings, but there are many free resources on the internet. My minor contribution in the area is here: 

http://www.youtube.com/AdvancedPhotonSource#p/c/C8C32277A0A5B815

Brian


On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:51 AM, sheila miguez wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I received a request off-list from someone who would like to find a
> tutor in CS/python in the Hyde Park area. I suggested he jump in to
> #chipy or post here. Perhaps also those of you who are interested in
> general in helping others could start a wiki page on chipy.org for
> people who are interested in helping others with your contact info,
> areas of interest, availability.
> 
> Actually, if people have this information in a database somewhere, we
> could have the mentoreds who are working on chipy.org perhaps code up
> a view of it to generate the page.
> 
> -- 
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Sep 23 00:46:22 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:46:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>

Instead of Purchasing A/V equipment wouldn't it be easier just to pay carl
to do it?


On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Massimo Di Pierro <
massimo.dipierro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congratulations Brian!
>
> On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Brian Ray wrote:
>
> Good news, a sponsor has given us a larger than normal donation to help
> cover ChiPy expenses for the next 6 months.
>
> I filed with the state of illinois and the irs as non-profit so we could
> open a bank account. If you ever want to see a statement, let me know.
>
> The sponsor does not want their name on the internet for giving the
> donation so I will tell you in person who it was if you ask me. They did not
> do it for and do not want publicity because they just want to support the
> good things we do. I think they were particularly interested in things like
> our educational and mentoring programs as well as our traditional monthly
> meetings.
>
> How will we spend? I would like to see business as usual and help cover the
> gap with things fall apart like if a host can not provide food. Of course,
> we want to be frugal because these resources by no means are limitless nor
> do they cover all of our needs for the next year. Nonetheless, this is a
> step in the right direction for ChiPy and I think as others see the good
> things we do, they too will be interested in supporting ChiPy.
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM
> Subject: ChiPy Donation
> To: XXXXXX
>
> XXXX:
>
> Thanks for the $5k, 100% of it is going to be used to expand the
> organization ChiPy (Chicago Python User Group) which benefits Chicago by:
>
>    - holding monthly meetings with presentations about the Python
>    Programming Language
>    - recording meetings and presenting those for public consumption
>    - educate the community on Python
>    - mentor programers in finding job placement
>    - mentoring employers in finding talent
>    - sponsor open source efforts
>
> The donations will be used for things like:
>
>    - purchasing food and drink for meetings
>    - covering other meeting expenses
>    - hosting of the chipy.org website and marketing efforts
>    - Purchasing A/V equipment
>    - recording and distribution of meetings
>    - Food, drink, and materials for The ChiPy Mentoring Project and other
>    educational efforts.
>
> Again, thank you for your kindness. I look forward to helping the
> organization grow and continue to do good things in Chicago.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Brian Ray
> ChiPy Organizer
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From mtobis at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 01:16:54 2011
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKY89MVZ0C0YaQAawFMUSN1=wSWbcn77J82U3fW+TiGSV20_YQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have mixed feelings about this. ChiPy achieved a great deal for a
disorganization!

Congratulations anyway!

mt

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Sep 23 02:21:49 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:21:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <CAKY89MVZ0C0YaQAawFMUSN1=wSWbcn77J82U3fW+TiGSV20_YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY89MVZ0C0YaQAawFMUSN1=wSWbcn77J82U3fW+TiGSV20_YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wrYGFv6MDFaJpx1B63nreiY5Tw7tRpY+t-svFAdPnGjHA@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah we don't even have any officers :\

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Michael Tobis <mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have mixed feelings about this. ChiPy achieved a great deal for a
> disorganization!
>
> Congratulations anyway!
>
> mt
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Sep 23 02:35:46 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:35:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wrYGFv6MDFaJpx1B63nreiY5Tw7tRpY+t-svFAdPnGjHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY89MVZ0C0YaQAawFMUSN1=wSWbcn77J82U3fW+TiGSV20_YQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01wrYGFv6MDFaJpx1B63nreiY5Tw7tRpY+t-svFAdPnGjHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wofx_XKuQYn5xi1bKqzUrHyztrk4KhvEvQ7T2LPFe2nzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Lets create a google docs spreadsheet so we can see how the money is being
spent.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiS7_uxzOSqEdFhheWdwRHF2aEJubWFKZ19FRUx4Q1E&hl=en_US


On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:

> Yeah we don't even have any officers :\
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Michael Tobis <mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have mixed feelings about this. ChiPy achieved a great deal for a
>> disorganization!
>>
>> Congratulations anyway!
>>
>> mt
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>


-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From vceder at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 03:08:03 2011
From: vceder at gmail.com (Vern Ceder)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:08:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting this week?
In-Reply-To: <1316526287.5553.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1316526287.5553.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAdq-kioKSDSFozgwDSRSRb3MMnv34XOxv4+bTsDVEjLUscX3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Julie,

The ChiPy North meeting is going to be NEXT week, Sept 29th at Zoro Tools,
Inc, 1445 Armour Blvd, Mundelein (just off Butterfield Rd, one block south
of Townline Rd).

Hope to see you there!

Vern

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Julie Bell <jmwebstuff at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is there going to be a North meeting?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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vceder at gmail.com, vceder at dogsinmotion.com
The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW
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From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Sep 23 03:31:29 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting this week?
In-Reply-To: <CAAdq-kioKSDSFozgwDSRSRb3MMnv34XOxv4+bTsDVEjLUscX3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1316526287.5553.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAAdq-kioKSDSFozgwDSRSRb3MMnv34XOxv4+bTsDVEjLUscX3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSiUhatr1nwREdKqkGr431sodQV8niyJdUO9KHHvrmqUDg@mail.gmail.com>

"...Northern Suburbs every other month on the fourth Thursday. "  -
www.chipy.org

That should be fixed.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Vern Ceder <vceder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Julie,
> The ChiPy North meeting is going to be NEXT week, Sept 29th at Zoro Tools,
> Inc, 1445 Armour Blvd, Mundelein (just off Butterfield Rd, one block south
> of Townline Rd).
> Hope to see you there!
> Vern
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Julie Bell <jmwebstuff at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there going to be a North meeting?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Vern Ceder
> vceder at gmail.com, vceder at dogsinmotion.com
> The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From tottinge at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 03:42:28 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting this week?
In-Reply-To: <CAAdq-kioKSDSFozgwDSRSRb3MMnv34XOxv4+bTsDVEjLUscX3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1316526287.5553.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CAAdq-kioKSDSFozgwDSRSRb3MMnv34XOxv4+bTsDVEjLUscX3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN2NStm18p=AsbyeshVjrn+NmpbKuYi6Xs0ZFnaRT8rC+MEQAQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is great news. I'm finally going to be home... I've been out
consulting for a while. Mundelein is near my home, too.

I so look forward to seeing everyone again. It's been a long time.


On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Vern Ceder <vceder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Julie,
> The ChiPy North meeting is going to be NEXT week, Sept 29th at Zoro Tools,
> Inc, 1445 Armour Blvd, Mundelein (just off Butterfield Rd, one block south
> of Townline Rd).
> Hope to see you there!
> Vern
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Julie Bell <jmwebstuff at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there going to be a North meeting?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Vern Ceder
> vceder at gmail.com, vceder at dogsinmotion.com
> The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
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-------------------------------------
http://www.industriallogic.com/
http://agileinaflash.com/
http://agileotter.blogspot.com/

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 06:13:57 2011
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:13:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqsLrkW_zF9xu__-QXZL8j45v7er5x_X0m=RgXnoGN2EeA@mail.gmail.com>

He will probably do it for just beer. Use money for beer, buy things
with that beer.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> Instead of Purchasing A/V equipment wouldn't it be easier just to pay carl
> to do it?
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <massimo.dipierro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations Brian!
>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Brian Ray wrote:
>>
>> Good news, a sponsor has given us a larger than normal donation to help
>> cover ChiPy?expenses?for the next 6 months.
>> I filed with the state of illinois and the irs as non-profit so we could
>> open a bank account. If you ever want to see a statement, let me know.
>> The sponsor does not want their name on the internet for giving the
>> donation so I will tell you in person who it was if you ask me. They did not
>> do it for and do not want publicity because they just want to support the
>> good things we do. I think they were?particularly?interested in things like
>> our educational and mentoring programs as well as our traditional monthly
>> meetings.
>> How will we spend? I would like to see business as usual and help cover
>> the gap with things fall apart like if a host can not provide food. Of
>> course, we want to be frugal because these resources by no means are
>> limitless nor do they cover all of our needs for the next year. Nonetheless,
>> this is a step in the right direction for ChiPy and I think as others see
>> the good things we do, they too will be interested in supporting ChiPy.
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>>
>> --------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From:?Brian Ray?<brianhray at gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM
>> Subject: ChiPy Donation
>> To: XXXXXX
>>
>> XXXX:
>>
>> Thanks for the $5k, 100% of it is going to be used to expand the
>> organization ChiPy (Chicago Python User Group) which benefits Chicago by:
>>
>> holding monthly meetings with presentations about the Python Programming
>> Language
>> recording meetings and presenting those for public consumption
>> educate the community on Python
>> mentor programers in finding job placement
>> mentoring employers in finding talent
>> sponsor open source efforts
>>
>> The donations will be used for things like:
>>
>> purchasing food and drink for meetings
>> covering other meeting expenses
>> hosting of the?chipy.org?website and marketing efforts
>> Purchasing A/V equipment
>> recording and distribution of meetings
>> Food, drink, and materials for The ChiPy Mentoring Project and other
>> educational efforts.
>>
>> Again, thank you for your kindness. I look forward to helping the
>> organization grow and continue to do good things in Chicago.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Brian Ray
>> ChiPy Organizer
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 06:31:50 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:31:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <CAJD01wofx_XKuQYn5xi1bKqzUrHyztrk4KhvEvQ7T2LPFe2nzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqqPJDdoND7faoRfWgzukpSQRiDFBkjaYyfO4bkTcyZBg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 19:35, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> Lets create a google docs spreadsheet so we can see how the money is being
> spent.
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiS7_uxzOSqEdFhheWdwRHF2aEJubWFKZ19FRUx4Q1E&hl=en_US

This all just happened a day ago. Whenever the accounting stuff is
setup, as Brian Ray said, you'll be able to get a glimpse of where
things stand. We currently have this inside the PSF - every month
there's an treasurer's report sent out with accounting summaries
available, and I believe you could request more information if
necessary. However, I couldn't imagine needing any more detail.
Especially not a live spreadsheet.

From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Sep 23 16:18:15 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:18:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] CS/python tutors/advice
In-Reply-To: <EEA9C292-F9B5-4623-A56B-1B2AB2DB1F44@ANL.gov>
References: <CAHCs_rb0QokBwZ+jEx8zUL0_8OqXwUpWESwVhzQn0KPd0=oGGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EEA9C292-F9B5-4623-A56B-1B2AB2DB1F44@ANL.gov>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rZB2XxCnDkLN+q_uOaMR+M7v=Exq3BiDctUo7Dji-n=dA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

Does anyone else have a hankering and the time for tutoring? I've had one
contact offlist, but maybe post here to help lurkers.

Btw, over in google+ there is talk of experimenting with the platform for
teaching python workshops remotely.

On Sep 22, 2011 5:38 AM, "Brian Toby" <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>
> Not to cut into anyone's earnings, but there are many free resources on
the internet. My minor contribution in the area is here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/AdvancedPhotonSource#p/c/C8C32277A0A5B815
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Sep 23 19:58:12 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Neutrino detector analysis
Message-ID: <CAHCs_raEqQh3hNT1mR_O=RHDUEwvDFeoQVWQuCuPp35nVQujzw@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone here work on code related to neutrino detectors? I thought
I remembered a talk on it given at pycon 2009 but can't seem to find
it, so I may be misremembering the talk topic.

From damonwang at uchicago.edu  Fri Sep 23 20:05:41 2011
From: damonwang at uchicago.edu (Damon Wang)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:05:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] CS/python tutors/advice
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rZB2XxCnDkLN+q_uOaMR+M7v=Exq3BiDctUo7Dji-n=dA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_rb0QokBwZ+jEx8zUL0_8OqXwUpWESwVhzQn0KPd0=oGGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EEA9C292-F9B5-4623-A56B-1B2AB2DB1F44@ANL.gov>
	<CAHCs_rZB2XxCnDkLN+q_uOaMR+M7v=Exq3BiDctUo7Dji-n=dA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMchPjMhQyJnY9gj0fmu0BDxzm4B00eatF1KNpX4qKqkRc0POA@mail.gmail.com>

2011/9/23 sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>:
> Thanks.
>
> Does anyone else have a hankering and the time for tutoring? I've had one
> contact offlist, but maybe post here to help lurkers.

I live in Hyde Park and have previously tutored Python.  If whoever
contacted Sheila Miguez is following this list now, he can contact me
off-list to discuss this.

Yours,
Wang

>
> Btw, over in google+ there is talk of experimenting with the platform for
> teaching python workshops remotely.
>
> On Sep 22, 2011 5:38 AM, "Brian Toby" <Brian.Toby at anl.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Not to cut into anyone's earnings, but there are many free resources on
>> the internet. My minor contribution in the area is here:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/AdvancedPhotonSource#p/c/C8C32277A0A5B815
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From bherma3 at uic.edu  Fri Sep 23 20:54:35 2011
From: bherma3 at uic.edu (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:54:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [ANN] ChiPy receives sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqqPJDdoND7faoRfWgzukpSQRiDFBkjaYyfO4bkTcyZBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANKg38saYNdqghwkbtXC9SW13dTR0dSJM8nkEpbnQobJesgOBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<982029D8-41D3-437F-9CE5-08BFD43E1ED3@cs.depaul.edu>
	<CAJD01wr3RxfyZex5hW0V4_9YFmncQSc1Niyd=XYHnSpzzJiGkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY89MVZ0C0YaQAawFMUSN1=wSWbcn77J82U3fW+TiGSV20_YQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01wrYGFv6MDFaJpx1B63nreiY5Tw7tRpY+t-svFAdPnGjHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJD01wofx_XKuQYn5xi1bKqzUrHyztrk4KhvEvQ7T2LPFe2nzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqqPJDdoND7faoRfWgzukpSQRiDFBkjaYyfO4bkTcyZBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJD01wrNfNTPsSzng3W7Fhujh-17MVrcfAwxEchruF=TYHDVjg@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah sorry.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 19:35, Brian Herman <bherma3 at uic.edu> wrote:
> > Lets create a google docs spreadsheet so we can see how the money is
> being
> > spent.
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiS7_uxzOSqEdFhheWdwRHF2aEJubWFKZ19FRUx4Q1E&hl=en_US
>
> This all just happened a day ago. Whenever the accounting stuff is
> setup, as Brian Ray said, you'll be able to get a glimpse of where
> things stand. We currently have this inside the PSF - every month
> there's an treasurer's report sent out with accounting summaries
> available, and I believe you could request more information if
> necessary. However, I couldn't imagine needing any more detail.
> Especially not a live spreadsheet.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 22:16:51 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Neutrino detector analysis
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_raEqQh3hNT1mR_O=RHDUEwvDFeoQVWQuCuPp35nVQujzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raEqQh3hNT1mR_O=RHDUEwvDFeoQVWQuCuPp35nVQujzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+ah_OOaTLZwWqB2U6zhos0n3+9371NojLZJZV12cTEzSA@mail.gmail.com>

if anyone finds this for you off list theres more than one person who would
dig it

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Does anyone here work on code related to neutrino detectors? I thought
> I remembered a talk on it given at pycon 2009 but can't seem to find
> it, so I may be misremembering the talk topic.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From g at rre.tt  Fri Sep 23 22:21:35 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:21:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Neutrino detector analysis
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+ah_OOaTLZwWqB2U6zhos0n3+9371NojLZJZV12cTEzSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raEqQh3hNT1mR_O=RHDUEwvDFeoQVWQuCuPp35nVQujzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ah_OOaTLZwWqB2U6zhos0n3+9371NojLZJZV12cTEzSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACU=p6usTEwRX-5mGGft7k6G=2HmunwoHEGwqvLJhrtm7md=8Q@mail.gmail.com>

There was something at Pycon a while back:

http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/searching-for-neutrinos-using-python-at-the-bottom-of-the-world-1966801

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> if anyone finds this for you off list theres more than one person who would
> dig it
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone here work on code related to neutrino detectors? I thought
>> I remembered a talk on it given at pycon 2009 but can't seem to find
>> it, so I may be misremembering the talk topic.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 22:50:42 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Neutrino detector analysis
In-Reply-To: <CACU=p6usTEwRX-5mGGft7k6G=2HmunwoHEGwqvLJhrtm7md=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raEqQh3hNT1mR_O=RHDUEwvDFeoQVWQuCuPp35nVQujzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ah_OOaTLZwWqB2U6zhos0n3+9371NojLZJZV12cTEzSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACU=p6usTEwRX-5mGGft7k6G=2HmunwoHEGwqvLJhrtm7md=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHzLg+aLe=vjCWOamO2SXNhtyeGZBqqha5Lcr9bb36qhA-UNtQ@mail.gmail.com>

thank you

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> There was something at Pycon a while back:
>
>
> http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/searching-for-neutrinos-using-python-at-the-bottom-of-the-world-1966801
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > if anyone finds this for you off list theres more than one person who
> would
> > dig it
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone here work on code related to neutrino detectors? I thought
> >> I remembered a talk on it given at pycon 2009 but can't seem to find
> >> it, so I may be misremembering the talk topic.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Sep 23 23:06:39 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:06:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Neutrino detector analysis
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLg+aLe=vjCWOamO2SXNhtyeGZBqqha5Lcr9bb36qhA-UNtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raEqQh3hNT1mR_O=RHDUEwvDFeoQVWQuCuPp35nVQujzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ah_OOaTLZwWqB2U6zhos0n3+9371NojLZJZV12cTEzSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACU=p6usTEwRX-5mGGft7k6G=2HmunwoHEGwqvLJhrtm7md=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+aLe=vjCWOamO2SXNhtyeGZBqqha5Lcr9bb36qhA-UNtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCs_rbdS-_yMManFhWEfP7iyc12r-TiuVy54-7bBGN455F3ig@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks dude. My memory was very vague, and I thought maybe they were
in antarctica but I was kind of hoping they would be the CERN crowd
and then we could find out more about their methods.

btw, the audio in this video really sucks when compared to the events
after we got better audio equipment. man. huge difference.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
> thank you
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>>
>> There was something at Pycon a while back:
>>
>>
>> http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/searching-for-neutrinos-using-python-at-the-bottom-of-the-world-1966801
>>

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 00:40:30 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:40:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Neutrino detector analysis
In-Reply-To: <CAHCs_rbdS-_yMManFhWEfP7iyc12r-TiuVy54-7bBGN455F3ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raEqQh3hNT1mR_O=RHDUEwvDFeoQVWQuCuPp35nVQujzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ah_OOaTLZwWqB2U6zhos0n3+9371NojLZJZV12cTEzSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACU=p6usTEwRX-5mGGft7k6G=2HmunwoHEGwqvLJhrtm7md=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+aLe=vjCWOamO2SXNhtyeGZBqqha5Lcr9bb36qhA-UNtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rbdS-_yMManFhWEfP7iyc12r-TiuVy54-7bBGN455F3ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3V1zkh580WtCaOKvsGnOZeGX_zf8LymE_2xVD7pRSNmE88Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Note, there are many hurdles the data has to overcome and sources of
experimental error. See
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/09/22/faster-than-light-travel-discovered-slow-down-folks/
.
On the other hand it would be great for someone that worked with the
experiment and see their perspective.


---Profile:---
http://www.google.com/profiles/zitterbewegung





On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Thanks dude. My memory was very vague, and I thought maybe they were
> in antarctica but I was kind of hoping they would be the CERN crowd
> and then we could find out more about their methods.
>
> btw, the audio in this video really sucks when compared to the events
> after we got better audio equipment. man. huge difference.
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com> wrote:
>> thank you
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>>>
>>> There was something at Pycon a while back:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/searching-for-neutrinos-using-python-at-the-bottom-of-the-world-1966801
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From maney at two14.net  Sat Sep 24 05:47:33 2011
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Neutrino detector analysis
In-Reply-To: <CAB3V1zkh580WtCaOKvsGnOZeGX_zf8LymE_2xVD7pRSNmE88Xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCs_raEqQh3hNT1mR_O=RHDUEwvDFeoQVWQuCuPp35nVQujzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+ah_OOaTLZwWqB2U6zhos0n3+9371NojLZJZV12cTEzSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACU=p6usTEwRX-5mGGft7k6G=2HmunwoHEGwqvLJhrtm7md=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHzLg+aLe=vjCWOamO2SXNhtyeGZBqqha5Lcr9bb36qhA-UNtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHCs_rbdS-_yMManFhWEfP7iyc12r-TiuVy54-7bBGN455F3ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3V1zkh580WtCaOKvsGnOZeGX_zf8LymE_2xVD7pRSNmE88Xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110924034733.GA23452@furrr.two14.net>

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 05:40:30PM -0500, Joshua Herman wrote:
> Note, there are many hurdles the data has to overcome and sources of
> experimental error. See
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/09/22/faster-than-light-travel-discovered-slow-down-folks/

See also http://xkcd.com/955/  :-)

-- 
Obscurity is a far great threat to authors and creative artists
than piracy.  -- Tim O'Reilly


From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 00:53:18 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:53:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2012 Proposals Due October 12
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqBLPXkO757aE8MbKgxG7FeDz6ztFuLUTQtYgDEKuMccg@mail.gmail.com>

The deadline for PyCon 2012 tutorial, talk, and poster proposals is
under 15 days away, so be sure to get your submissions in by October
12, 2011. Whether you?re a first-timer or an experienced veteran,
PyCon is depends on you, the community, coming together to build the
best conference schedule possible. Our
call for proposals (http://us.pycon.org/2012/cfp/) lays out the
details it takes to be included in the lineup for the conference in
Santa Clara, CA on March 7-15, 2012.

If you?re unsure of what to write about, our recent survey yielded a
large list of potential talk topics
(http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/09/need-talk-ideas.html), and plenty
of ideas for tutorials (INSERT TUTORIAL POST). We?ve also come up with
general tips on proposal writing at
http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/08/writing-good-proposal.html to ensure
everyone has the most complete proposal when it comes time for review.
As always, the program committee wants to put together an incredible
conference, so they?ll be working with submitters to fine tune
proposal details and help you produce the best submissions.

We?ve had plenty of great news to share since we first announced the
call for proposals. Paul Graham of Y Combinator was recently announced
as a keynote speaker
(http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/09/announcing-first-pycon-2012-keynote.html),
making his return after a 2003 keynote. David Beazley, famous for his
mind-blowing talks on CPython?s Global Interpreter Lock, was added to
the plenary talk series
(http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/09/announcing-first-pycon-2012-plenary.html).
Sponsors can now list their job openings on the ?Job Fair? section of
the PyCon site (http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/09/announcing-pycon-2012-fair-page-sponsor.html).
We?re hard at work to bring you the best conference yet, so stay tuned
to PyCon news at http://pycon.blogspot.com/ and on Twitter at
https://twitter.com/#!/pycon.

We recently eclipsed last year?s sponsorship count of 40 and are
currently at a record 52 organizations supporting PyCon. If you or
your organization are interested in sponsoring PyCon, we?d love to
hear from you, so check out our sponsorship page
(http://us.pycon.org/2012/sponsors/).

A quick thanks to all of our awesome PyCon 2012 Sponsors:

- Diamond Level: Google and Dropbox.
- Platinum Level: New Relic, SurveyMonkey, Microsoft, Eventbrite,
Nasuni and Gondor.io
- Gold Level: Walt Disney Animation Studios, CCP Games, Linode,
Enthought, Canonical, Dotcloud, Loggly, Revsys, ZeOmega, Bitly,
ActiveState, JetBrains, Caktus, Disqus, Spotify, Snoball, Evite, and
PlaidCloud
- Silver Level: Imaginary Landscape, WiserTogether, Net-ng, Olark, AG
Interactive, Bitbucket, Open Bastion, 10Gen, gocept, Lex Machina,
fwix, github, toast driven, Aarki, Threadless, Cox Media, myYearBook,
Accense Technology, Wingware, FreshBooks, and BigDoor
- Lanyard: Dreamhost
- Sprints: Reddit
- FLOSS: OSU/OSL, OpenHatch


The PyCon Organizers - http://us.pycon.org/2012
Jesse Noller - Chairman - jnoller at python.org
Brian Curtin - Publicity Coordinator - brian at python.org

From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 01:48:56 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:48:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Three Blind Mice Focus Group
Message-ID: <7582B523-6F0C-4A61-AA4B-04890F512366@gmail.com>

Focus group invites coming soon. I am looking for venue options.

Cheers, Brian



From vceder at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 16:37:51 2011
From: vceder at gmail.com (Vern Ceder)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North meeting this week
Message-ID: <CAAdq-kiE77Rk=SbK+0ddHTjeKVQ_a0dLh_ka5H-yhbu-EOF2Jw@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder and more detailed directions for the North meeting this
week. (Sorry I didn't think to include the detailed directions sooner - I
was in the midst of getting ready to travel and was scatterbrained!)

Date/Time: Thursday, Sept 29, 7:30 pm

Location: Zoro Tools, Inc, 1445 Armour Blvd, Mundelein

Directions: Zoro is one block south of the intersection of Butterfield Road
and Townline Road. Park anywhere and go to the back (parking lot) door and
ring the bell if needed.

Talk: Python and Robots: Teaching Programming in High School, Vern Ceder

Pizza and soft drinks provided.

The RSVP for is online at chipy.org

Thanks and I hope to see you Thursday!

Cheers,
Vern Ceder


-- 
Vern Ceder
vceder at gmail.com, vceder at dogsinmotion.com
The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW
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From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:11:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North meeting this week
In-Reply-To: <CAAdq-kiE77Rk=SbK+0ddHTjeKVQ_a0dLh_ka5H-yhbu-EOF2Jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAdq-kiE77Rk=SbK+0ddHTjeKVQ_a0dLh_ka5H-yhbu-EOF2Jw@mail.gmail.com>
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Please pretty please give the talk in the loop meeting to. Or maybe
somehow record this one (sound, whatever) so I can watch later. I'd
love to see it, but I'm not sure I will be able to.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Vern Ceder <vceder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Talk: Python and Robots: Teaching Programming in High School, Vern Ceder



-- 
sheila

From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Sep 28 17:34:04 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:34:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] North meeting this week
In-Reply-To: <CAAdq-kiE77Rk=SbK+0ddHTjeKVQ_a0dLh_ka5H-yhbu-EOF2Jw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Vern Ceder <vceder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a reminder and more detailed directions for the North meeting this
> week. (Sorry I didn't think to include the detailed directions sooner - I
> was in the midst of getting ready to travel and was scatterbrained!)
> Date/Time: Thursday, Sept 29, 7:30 pm
> Location: Zoro Tools, Inc, 1445 Armour Blvd, Mundelein
> Directions: Zoro is one block south of the intersection of Butterfield Road
> and Townline Road. Park anywhere and go to the back (parking lot) door and
> ring the bell if needed.
> Talk: Python and Robots: Teaching Programming in High School, Vern Ceder
> Pizza and soft drinks provided.
> The RSVP for is online at chipy.org
> Thanks and I hope to see you Thursday!
>

Any Loopies want to ride up with me?  Hmm, I may want to leave pretty
early to pick up some drive caddies.  for sure I want to arrive around
6:30, which means leaving here by 5:45 if I skip the drive caddies.
which I can.  But if you are up for seeing my favorate place to buy
computers:

Cnt Systems. 1548 Barclay Boulevard. Buffalo Grove, IL 60089-4530

Which is not much of a detour at all, but I think they go home at 6.
so better leave Chicago 5-5:15.

-- 
Carl K

From michellewaldorf at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 23:37:25 2011
From: michellewaldorf at gmail.com (Michelle Waldorf)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:37:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Django w/ Pinax for building a social network site?
Message-ID: <CADSw8M+y44Dk7wDRq3L8kvRqg4hZAJT9GZ6w8DGqYz_GSwTcpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,  This is my first post.  I met the nice ChiPy folks at Social Dev
Camp.

On our new project, my developer is switching from PHP & Zend framework to
Python for speed.  I would like to build social networking features into the
site without reinventing everything like member profiles, sharing, friends,
forums, etc...

I found a Pinax powered site called http://www.bucketlist.net/

Can anyone recommend Pinax or any other open source social network projects?

Thanks in advance!

Michelle
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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 03:07:02 2011
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:07:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Django w/ Pinax for building a social network site?
In-Reply-To: <CADSw8M+y44Dk7wDRq3L8kvRqg4hZAJT9GZ6w8DGqYz_GSwTcpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADSw8M+y44Dk7wDRq3L8kvRqg4hZAJT9GZ6w8DGqYz_GSwTcpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6vQqswcHwH9Du8WgoSPOATyMiWe9QY4NzWoainkmfX3w-8zQ@mail.gmail.com>

If you check out Pinax, there are two things to look at. Pinax, and the new
refresh, which an entire rewrite. I don't know if the talk is up yet, but
there was a good one at DjangoCon on what they are doing.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Michelle Waldorf <michellewaldorf at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hello,  This is my first post.  I met the nice ChiPy folks at Social Dev
> Camp.
>
> On our new project, my developer is switching from PHP & Zend framework to
> Python for speed.  I would like to build social networking features into the
> site without reinventing everything like member profiles, sharing, friends,
> forums, etc...
>
> I found a Pinax powered site called http://www.bucketlist.net/
>
> Can anyone recommend Pinax or any other open source social network
> projects?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Michelle
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Thu Sep 29 03:13:32 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:13:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Django w/ Pinax for building a social network site?
In-Reply-To: <CAN6vQqswcHwH9Du8WgoSPOATyMiWe9QY4NzWoainkmfX3w-8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADSw8M+y44Dk7wDRq3L8kvRqg4hZAJT9GZ6w8DGqYz_GSwTcpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN6vQqswcHwH9Du8WgoSPOATyMiWe9QY4NzWoainkmfX3w-8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7A35AC2-97A9-426E-98DF-67952F882781@cs.depaul.edu>

Hello Michelle,

this may also interest you:
http://vimeo.com/21364178

Massimo

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Michelle Waldorf <michellewaldorf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,  This is my first post.  I met the nice ChiPy folks at Social Dev Camp.
> 
> On our new project, my developer is switching from PHP & Zend framework to Python for speed.  I would like to build social networking features into the site without reinventing everything like member profiles, sharing, friends, forums, etc...  
> 
> I found a Pinax powered site called http://www.bucketlist.net/ 
> 
> Can anyone recommend Pinax or any other open source social network projects?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Michelle
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 03:17:28 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Django w/ Pinax for building a social network site?
In-Reply-To: <CADSw8M+y44Dk7wDRq3L8kvRqg4hZAJT9GZ6w8DGqYz_GSwTcpg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 16:37, Michelle Waldorf
<michellewaldorf at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello,  This is my first post.  I met the nice ChiPy folks at Social Dev
> Camp.
>
> On our new project, my developer is switching from PHP & Zend framework to
> Python for speed.  I would like to build social networking features into the
> site without reinventing everything like member profiles, sharing, friends,
> forums, etc...
>
> I found a Pinax powered site called http://www.bucketlist.net/ <http://www.bucketlist.net/>


Shameless plug: http://us.pycon.org/2012/ is Pinax powered as well.
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Thu Sep 29 03:35:57 2011
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:35:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Django w/ Pinax for building a social network site?
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwp3enws4JbzCWHSE5AqPnh7L9L8uD5fP_NT8MqfJdFMSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADSw8M+y44Dk7wDRq3L8kvRqg4hZAJT9GZ6w8DGqYz_GSwTcpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwp3enws4JbzCWHSE5AqPnh7L9L8uD5fP_NT8MqfJdFMSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F9FCAFF9-787C-4A1D-9A19-7C10B7018E1B@cs.depaul.edu>

Another shameless plug - sorry I cannot resist - ;-)

Pycon Brazil 2011 is web2py powered
http://www.pythonbrasil.org.br/
Pycon Argentina 2011 is web2py powered
http://ar.pycon.org/2011
Pycon Asia 2011 is web2py powered
http://apac.pycon.org/
Registration at Pycon US 2009 and 2010 were also web2py powered (although not the same software used by the other three).

Anyway, none of these (nor the current pycon) is technically a social network.

Massimo

On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:17 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 16:37, Michelle Waldorf <michellewaldorf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,  This is my first post.  I met the nice ChiPy folks at Social Dev Camp.
> 
> On our new project, my developer is switching from PHP & Zend framework to Python for speed.  I would like to build social networking features into the site without reinventing everything like member profiles, sharing, friends, forums, etc...  
> 
> I found a Pinax powered site called http://www.bucketlist.net/ 
> 
> Shameless plug: http://us.pycon.org/2012/ is Pinax powered as well.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From michellewaldorf at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 18:36:15 2011
From: michellewaldorf at gmail.com (Michelle Waldorf)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:36:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Django w/ Pinax for building a social network site?
Message-ID: <CADSw8M+nLNjyBEhscBA+anWoMXVqAm=R0ZiWF-Ko=Jfcx=oeWA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your points on the state of Pinax and the shameless plugs for
Pinax and Web2py.  Nothing is better than a good example.

Tentatively we're looking at Pinax.

Thanks again,

Michelle
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From massimo.dipierro at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 19:51:33 2011
From: massimo.dipierro at gmail.com (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:51:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] code_swarm Python
Message-ID: <8C043EBA-563A-472C-B131-FDB98B0622C4@cs.depaul.edu>

http://vimeo.com/1093745
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From jmwebstuff at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 30 20:52:19 2011
From: jmwebstuff at yahoo.com (Julie Bell)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:52:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Python Seminar
Message-ID: <1317408739.88994.YahooMailNeo@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Introduction to Python Seminar


Presenter: Vern Ceder

Saturday, October 29, 2011 10:00 AM - 1pm. 

Doors open at 9:30.

College of Lake County 
Grayslake Campus
Grayslake, IL

Room T238

Space is limited? ....? Please reserve your space now!!!

Cost: NONE? - Sponsored by CLC Linux Club & Student Activities 

Please send me a RSVP to clcllinuxclub at gmail.com if you are planning on coming.

If you RSVP and can't make it, please email to un-RSVP as space is limited and someone else can use it.

Email me with Questions.

Julie Bell

CLC Linux Club
www.clclinux.org
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