From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 16:19:44 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:19:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Robotics Theme
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6wyVa8uY7og+_5-hRWTVsMm93GkT50YH=-Sfs@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like this month's theme is robots--controlled in some part by
Python. We already have one presentation on ROS.

Anyone one else have something robotic or robot-like to talk about?

-- 

Brian Ray
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Jan  3 16:42:12 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:42:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Robotics Theme
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik6wyVa8uY7og+_5-hRWTVsMm93GkT50YH=-Sfs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik6wyVa8uY7og+_5-hRWTVsMm93GkT50YH=-Sfs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimzkuAoSf1d+WN-gzwZ-vrvtc5vxrJ31Sk0FoCD@mail.gmail.com>

I've been eavesdropping on Carl at home as he has been trying to do
right by setting up automated deployability for django and/or pinax. I
think he might turn in to a robot. I told him either it would be an
interesting talk or an interesting "teach me" drinking game.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> It looks like this month's theme is robots--controlled in some part by
> Python. We already have one presentation on ROS.
>
> Anyone one else have something robotic or robot-like to talk about?
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



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sheila

From chad at glendenin.com  Mon Jan  3 22:48:46 2011
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:48:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Robotics Theme
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimzkuAoSf1d+WN-gzwZ-vrvtc5vxrJ31Sk0FoCD@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik6wyVa8uY7og+_5-hRWTVsMm93GkT50YH=-Sfs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimzkuAoSf1d+WN-gzwZ-vrvtc5vxrJ31Sk0FoCD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=WLDCYd2_LES1kAu-FQA6eKC=4izVsMLR4Y2yL@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:42 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> I've been eavesdropping on Carl at home as he has been trying to do
> right by setting up automated deployability for django and/or pinax.

That sounds interesting. Is it related to Fabric or SilverLining?

> I
> think he might turn in to a robot. I told him either it would be an
> interesting talk or an interesting "teach me" drinking game.
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It looks like this month's theme is robots--controlled in some part by
>> Python. We already have one presentation on ROS.
>>
>> Anyone one else have something robotic or robot-like to talk about?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Jan  3 23:22:22 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:22:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Robotics Theme
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=WLDCYd2_LES1kAu-FQA6eKC=4izVsMLR4Y2yL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik6wyVa8uY7og+_5-hRWTVsMm93GkT50YH=-Sfs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimzkuAoSf1d+WN-gzwZ-vrvtc5vxrJ31Sk0FoCD@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=WLDCYd2_LES1kAu-FQA6eKC=4izVsMLR4Y2yL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimgM1EqAoerPgAOfBN6ZZO658m-csPVhLn3Q2AK@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:42 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> I've been eavesdropping on Carl at home as he has been trying to do
>> right by setting up automated deployability for django and/or pinax.
>
> That sounds interesting. Is it related to Fabric or SilverLining?

First I have to figure out _exactly_ what is that needs to be done.
"it depends" and "figure that part out for yourself" seem to be the
general theme of most docs.

I am trying to come up with the steps that could be handed to a sys
admin who has 0 clue about the things it depends on, and 0 motivation
to figure anything out.

You would not tell your local admin "give the directory write
permissions only if the site has an upload feature."  and expect him
to dig around in the spec or code or talk to people about that
equipment.

Or something.  I think I am 1/2 way done, so I may have something by
the end of the week that is worth talking about.

Might be a good "teach me Fabric" once the "tell me what I did wrong"
part is over.

-- 
Carl K

From contezta at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 14:32:00 2011
From: contezta at yahoo.com (N Form)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:32:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] WE'RE HIRING: HPC (High Performance Computing) Group,
	Python (Server Side)/C++ Junior/Midlevel Developer
	(NYC/California/Chicago) - Top Tier Research Group
Message-ID: <565940.84490.qm@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



THANKS. 

Finder's fees can be offered for anybody you can recommend that YOU KNOW 
(providing contact info is a start) and obviously they MUST BE QUALIFIED and get 
interviewed and HIRED. 
--------------- 
Call or text 203-29-QUANT 203.297.8268 if you have any questions and are 
qualified for this role or others posted. Please speak clearly if leaving a 
voicemail, and let me know the role you are applying for and if you have sent a 
resume or not. You may call or text at any time. All discussions and messages 
are fully confidential... If QUALIFIED &AUTHORIZED FOR USA WORK, email resume 
QuantRec @gmail.com 

Goto http://www.QuantRec.com for updates on jobs, bookmark it! 

You can fax in resume to 206-202-7703 as well. 

PLEASE BE SURE TO INCLUDE your salary requirements (2010 base/bonus), location 
preferences, and for my notes where you have been interviewing or been submitted 
to in the past 6 months (as there are multiple opportunities if you are a solid 
techie). Must currently be in USA and be Green CARD/US CITIZEN/h1b with enough 
years left on visa (at least 3 years). 

Also include the best times to reach you over the near term. 

Candidates MEETING MOST OF the SPEC below will be contacted PROMPTLY. 
----------------------------------------------------------- 
Candidate will have an history of a academic and/or accomplishment in 
scientific research programming with PYTHON and/or computational 
science. Expertise must include parallel computation, scientific 
computing, molecular dynamics, and large-scale data management and 
analysis?but specific knowledge of any of these areas is less critical 
than exceptional intellectual ability and a demonstrated track record 
of achievement. The right candidate should have at least 2-5+ years of 
solid programming experience with a minimum python, c++ or java as 
well as a track record of management experience of overseeing 
significant python based projects. Candidate can come out of a 
national lab doing such projects or industry firm such as google, 
yahoo, or other large users of SERVER SIDE PYTHON and supercomputing. 
Willing to look at more junior candidates for other roles as well. 
Comp will be ABOVE market for anybody fitting above. Looking for 
around 5-6 of these people for this quarter and next.


      
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan  4 14:59:02 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 07:59:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] WE'RE HIRING: HPC (High Performance Computing) Group,
 Python (Server Side)/C++ Junior/Midlevel Developer
 (NYC/California/Chicago) - Top Tier Research Group
In-Reply-To: <565940.84490.qm@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <565940.84490.qm@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimatW5++sRbjuayQoikL8NSZoA=bBbpW72yDY4J@mail.gmail.com>

I will VIDEO the interviews, CONTACT me for RATES.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:32 AM, N Form <contezta at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> THANKS.

-- 
Carl K

From g at rre.tt  Tue Jan  4 17:52:49 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:52:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] WE'RE HIRING: HPC (High Performance Computing) Group,
 Python (Server Side)/C++ Junior/Midlevel Developer
 (NYC/California/Chicago) - Top Tier Research Group
In-Reply-To: <565940.84490.qm@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <565940.84490.qm@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=JC_cnxr5Ysv2ATk5jmmC7du8rAvL7wb0un4Gh@mail.gmail.com>

Over TIME, these MISGUIDED souls will lose their TYPING facilities.

Seriously, that's messed up.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:32 AM, N Form <contezta at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> THANKS.
>
> Finder's fees can be offered for anybody you can recommend that YOU KNOW
> (providing contact info is a start) and obviously they MUST BE QUALIFIED and
> get interviewed and HIRED.
> ---------------
> Call or text 203-29-QUANT 203.297.8268 if you have any questions and are
> qualified for this role or others posted. Please speak clearly if leaving a
> voicemail, and let me know the role you are applying for and if you have
> sent a resume or not. You may call or text at any time. All discussions and
> messages are fully confidential... If QUALIFIED &AUTHORIZED FOR USA WORK,
> email resume QuantRec @gmail.com
>
> Goto?http://www.QuantRec.com?for updates on jobs, bookmark it!
>
> You can fax in resume to 206-202-7703 as well.
>
> PLEASE BE SURE TO INCLUDE your salary requirements (2010 base/bonus),
> location preferences, and for my notes where you have been interviewing or
> been submitted to in the past 6 months (as there are multiple opportunities
> if you are a solid techie). Must currently be in USA and be Green CARD/US
> CITIZEN/h1b with enough years left on visa (at least 3 years).
>
> Also include the best times to reach you over the near term.
>
> Candidates MEETING MOST OF the SPEC below will be contacted PROMPTLY.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Candidate will have an history of a academic and/or accomplishment in
> scientific research programming with PYTHON and/or computational
> science. Expertise must include parallel computation, scientific
> computing, molecular dynamics, and large-scale data management and
> analysis?but specific knowledge of any of these areas is less critical
> than exceptional intellectual ability and a demonstrated track record
> of achievement. The right candidate should have at least 2-5+ years of
> solid programming experience with a minimum python, c++ or java as
> well as a track record of management experience of overseeing
> significant python based projects. Candidate can come out of a
> national lab doing such projects or industry firm such as google,
> yahoo, or other large users of SERVER SIDE PYTHON and supercomputing.
> Willing to look at more junior candidates for other roles as well.
> Comp will be ABOVE market for anybody fitting above. Looking for
> around 5-6 of these people for this quarter and next.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Mon Jan  3 17:59:29 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:59:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>

I have Django JavaScript
Integration<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>coming
out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?

-- 
? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about usability
? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 16:57:19 2011
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:57:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxesEiX4dXeo2JBT3JzkRjUbSoEdkotvHnEFyq@mail.gmail.com>

Are you looking for a job?  Or to do a presentation?

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward <
jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:

> I have Django JavaScript Integration<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>coming out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?
>
> --
> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about
> usability
> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
> and websites a joy to use
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 17:12:41 2011
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:12:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Proposed topic for January meeting
In-Reply-To: <20101220152737.GB18945@bill-desktop>
References: <20101220152737.GB18945@bill-desktop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinaCo3tLcASyGVbrht-WYnSYe9mevBS44Kn7qqU@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds pretty awesome...looking forward to it.  +1

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Bill Mania <maniabill at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Brian Ray and I would like to propose a presentation topic for
> the 13 January 2011 Loop meeting. We'd like to describe what we
> know so far about ROS and its rospy collection. ROS is the Robot
> Operating System from Willow Garage. There is a technical
> overview of ROS at http://www.ros.org/wiki/ROS/Introduction.
>
> Is there interest in a presentation on this topic? Neither of us
> are experts with ROS (yet), but there's a lot of vacation time
> and plane travel between now and the 13th.
>
> --
> Bill Mania /'m? ??/
> dum vivimus, vivamus!
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From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 17:16:07 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:16:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Now Available For Hire
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPiVYHrrqwba6THYsp7AZ=y+eVi1v2PKc15v8P@mail.gmail.com>

The company I work for was just acquired, mass layoff followed.  It's been
an interesting morning.

If you're in NW area and looking for Agile guy, C#, Python, some ruby, older
experience with C, C++, etc, feel free to contact me.


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From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Wed Jan  5 17:03:20 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:03:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinxesEiX4dXeo2JBT3JzkRjUbSoEdkotvHnEFyq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinxesEiX4dXeo2JBT3JzkRjUbSoEdkotvHnEFyq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikSPO9eZAV4FSjDnDTQncq0JOFuK5tsywkN4Z1q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a job.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you looking for a job?  Or to do a presentation?
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward <
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I have Django JavaScript Integration<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>coming out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?
>>
>> --
>> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about
>> usability
>> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
>> and websites a joy to use
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
jQuery
<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
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From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 17:47:00 2011
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:47:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSPO9eZAV4FSjDnDTQncq0JOFuK5tsywkN4Z1q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinxesEiX4dXeo2JBT3JzkRjUbSoEdkotvHnEFyq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSPO9eZAV4FSjDnDTQncq0JOFuK5tsywkN4Z1q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2=LUR1xVZEWbnCS3Z_Wg+pQpM-Ewg3jDPngZZ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not a list admin, and I don't mean to be list police here. I
sympathize too much to say it's inappropriate. I've been there,
recently.

But I think if you're going to post about your employment needs, you
need to be more coherent. You need to think through the best way to
present your skills to this group.

Which might not mean posting to this list. You could present something
really cool you did in Python at a meeting  and saying at the end 'oh
by the way, I need a job.' Stuff like that. There's a meeting next
week, maybe you can get something together.

I think this is a great group of people, and there are probably people
who can help you. I've found work here myself. But you do need to
impress them.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Jonathan Hayward
<jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for a job.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are you looking for a job?? Or to do a presentation?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward
>> <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have Django JavaScript Integration coming out with Packt this
>>> month.?Would anyone have use for extra hands?
>>> --
>>> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer
>>> who?cares?deeply?about?usability
>>> ??www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward???jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
>>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
>>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix,?Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
>>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
>>> and websites a joy to use
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
> jQuery
> ??www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward???jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix,?Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
> and websites a joy to use
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



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From jsudlow at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 17:57:34 2011
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:57:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin2=LUR1xVZEWbnCS3Z_Wg+pQpM-Ewg3jDPngZZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinxesEiX4dXeo2JBT3JzkRjUbSoEdkotvHnEFyq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSPO9eZAV4FSjDnDTQncq0JOFuK5tsywkN4Z1q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin2=LUR1xVZEWbnCS3Z_Wg+pQpM-Ewg3jDPngZZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6K0HjOr1DS6prL9Vj6S3_O5cg=zfpLeYo5dNX@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the good advice John. I have been to a few meetings and the group
members are not lightweights.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:47 AM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not a list admin, and I don't mean to be list police here. I
> sympathize too much to say it's inappropriate. I've been there,
> recently.
>
> But I think if you're going to post about your employment needs, you
> need to be more coherent. You need to think through the best way to
> present your skills to this group.
>
> Which might not mean posting to this list. You could present something
> really cool you did in Python at a meeting  and saying at the end 'oh
> by the way, I need a job.' Stuff like that. There's a meeting next
> week, maybe you can get something together.
>
> I think this is a great group of people, and there are probably people
> who can help you. I've found work here myself. But you do need to
> impress them.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Jonathan Hayward
> <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
> > I'm looking for a job.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Are you looking for a job?  Or to do a presentation?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward
> >> <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have Django JavaScript Integration coming out with Packt this
> >>> month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?
> >>> --
> >>> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer
> >>> who cares deeply about usability
> >>> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> >>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> >>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> >>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making
> software
> >>> and websites a joy to use
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
> > jQuery
> > ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> > ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> > Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> > ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
> > and websites a joy to use
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> blogs:
> http://johnstoner.wordpress.com/
> http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
> 'In knowledge is power; in  wisdom, humility.'
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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Jan  5 18:13:11 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:13:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin2=LUR1xVZEWbnCS3Z_Wg+pQpM-Ewg3jDPngZZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinxesEiX4dXeo2JBT3JzkRjUbSoEdkotvHnEFyq@mail.gmail.com>
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Well said.  Thanks John S.

Jonathan,   I could use some help with a talk I want to give next week
on deploying Django sites.  You have some time to work out some
details this week? and maybe stand up with me or just give the whole
talk, or be around to answer questions.

I am trying to make a start to finish set of instructions
1. install debian
2 ....
3. restart apache,
4. site is live, watch the profits roll in.

It is turning out to be enough of a problem I figure I should give a
talk on it.    I have done 3 deployments over the last 3+ years, and
all 3 were not very ... um... good.  I know how to chmod, but not sure
what should really be what.

I hang out on the #chipy irc.freenode.net channel.  If you don't want
to commit a few hours all at once for a face to face meeting, IRC is
the way to go.  There are a few others that can offer advice too.
problem is they all have jobs, so they only have so much time to work
on my problems ;)  (I am very appreciative of the help I get there -
thanks guys.)




On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:47 AM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not a list admin, and I don't mean to be list police here. I
> sympathize too much to say it's inappropriate. I've been there,
> recently.
>
> But I think if you're going to post about your employment needs, you
> need to be more coherent. You need to think through the best way to
> present your skills to this group.
>
> Which might not mean posting to this list. You could present something
> really cool you did in Python at a meeting ?and saying at the end 'oh
> by the way, I need a job.' Stuff like that. There's a meeting next
> week, maybe you can get something together.
>
> I think this is a great group of people, and there are probably people
> who can help you. I've found work here myself. But you do need to
> impress them.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Jonathan Hayward
> <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
>> I'm looking for a job.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you looking for a job?? Or to do a presentation?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward
>>> <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have Django JavaScript Integration coming out with Packt this
>>>> month.?Would anyone have use for extra hands?
>>>> --
>>>> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer
>>>> who?cares?deeply?about?usability
>>>> ??www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward???jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
>>>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
>>>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix,?Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
>>>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
>>>> and websites a joy to use
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
>> jQuery
>> ??www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward???jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix,?Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
>> and websites a joy to use
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> blogs:
> http://johnstoner.wordpress.com/
> http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
> 'In knowledge is power; in? wisdom, humility.'
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Jan  5 18:42:40 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:42:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikFapJuiBeBR-HAmgtuB55Ajyb-p13Pr+qcJ=jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikFapJuiBeBR-HAmgtuB55Ajyb-p13Pr+qcJ=jA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> I am trying to make a start to finish set of instructions
> 1. install debian
> 2 ....
> 3. restart apache,

you forgot
3.5 automate all that

> 4. site is live, watch the profits roll in.

5. host went kaplooey
6. run automated stuff to deploy to new box

7. someone else wants to work on site
8. she checks out code and deploys in a dev environment without suffering

9. ...

10. unicorns for everyone!

-- 
sheila

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Jan  5 18:54:05 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:54:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Now Available For Hire
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimPiVYHrrqwba6THYsp7AZ=y+eVi1v2PKc15v8P@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimPiVYHrrqwba6THYsp7AZ=y+eVi1v2PKc15v8P@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D24B03D.1080309@threecrickets.com>

Would you be interested in a job in the Loop?

On 01/05/2011 10:16 AM, Tim Ottinger wrote:

> The company I work for was just acquired, mass layoff followed.  It's 
> been an interesting morning.
>
> If you're in NW area and looking for Agile guy, C#, Python, some ruby, 
> older experience with C, C++, etc, feel free to contact me.
>
>
> -- 
> -------------------------------------
> http://agileinaflash.com/
> http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
> http://tottinge.blogsome.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Jan  5 18:55:06 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:55:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D24B07A.9050501@threecrickets.com>

A startup that I'm working for is looking for a job, someone for a full 
time position. Would you be interested?

On 01/03/2011 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward wrote:

> I have Django JavaScript Integration 
> <https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book> 
> coming out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?
>
> -- 
> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about 
> usability
> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ? 
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com <mailto:jonathan.hayward at pobox.com>
> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, 
> Linux, Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making 
> software and websites a joy to use
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From jsudlow at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 18:59:32 2011
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:59:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Now Available For Hire
In-Reply-To: <4D24B03D.1080309@threecrickets.com>
References: <AANLkTimPiVYHrrqwba6THYsp7AZ=y+eVi1v2PKc15v8P@mail.gmail.com>
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Tal,

Yes I would. I live in Naperville and have used the train in the past to
commute. If the job is a good match than I do not mind the travel.

-Jon

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

> Would you be interested in a job in the Loop?
>
>
> On 01/05/2011 10:16 AM, Tim Ottinger wrote:
>
>  The company I work for was just acquired, mass layoff followed.  It's been
>> an interesting morning.
>>
>> If you're in NW area and looking for Agile guy, C#, Python, some ruby,
>> older experience with C, C++, etc, feel free to contact me.
>>
>>
>> --
>> -------------------------------------
>> http://agileinaflash.com/
>> http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
>> http://tottinge.blogsome.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Jan  5 19:18:31 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:18:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Now Available For Hire
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik3+eZq_X_RauQWaCjHiKYX=OasqvW5A2VoERgZ@mail.gmail.com>
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It's a small startup doing interesting stuff integrating lots of social 
networks (Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare, SMS, others) into a dashboard 
that would enable small merchants to market and send promotions to their 
customers. We also integrate with POS systems and loyalty cards.


The company is legit, and has VERY impressive financial backing (there's 
a marketing team of 100 people waiting to sell it), even though it 
doesn't look that way from visiting the office. We rely on cutting edge 
technologies: MongoDB, REST, JavaScript-on-the-server, cloud. The 
business plan is realistic and should be profitable within a few months.

The environment is extreme startup: the team is evolving fast, but we 
only just got a project manager, and scope is never very clear. 
Management does not have experience with this type of development work 
and technology (well, who does?). We make it up as we go along. I think 
a good match -- culturally, temperamentally -- is someone who is 
comfortable with such partial formations, and can even thrive in them: 
self-managed, responsible, calm under pressure, and who can contribute 
to a team culture "in the making."


My slight worry is that you identify as an "Agile" guy, which to me 
spells very formal work styles (scrum) that would be impossible to 
implement at this company right now, if ever... I'm believe in being 
upfront about it to avoid disappointment!

If this sounds interesting, feel free to forward a resume to me, and I 
can get you interviewed this week.

-Tal



On 01/05/2011 11:59 AM, Jon Sudlow wrote:

> Tal,
>
> Yes I would. I live in Naperville and have used the train in the past 
> to commute. If the job is a good match than I do not mind the travel.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Tal Liron 
> <tal.liron at threecrickets.com <mailto:tal.liron at threecrickets.com>> wrote:
>
>     Would you be interested in a job in the Loop?
>
>
>     On 01/05/2011 10:16 AM, Tim Ottinger wrote:
>
>         The company I work for was just acquired, mass layoff
>         followed.  It's been an interesting morning.
>
>         If you're in NW area and looking for Agile guy, C#, Python,
>         some ruby, older experience with C, C++, etc, feel free to
>         contact me.
>
>
>         -- 
>         -------------------------------------
>         http://agileinaflash.com/
>         http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
>         http://tottinge.blogsome.com
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         Chicago mailing list
>         Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>         http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chicago mailing list
>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Jan  5 19:24:21 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:24:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Now Available For Hire
In-Reply-To: <4D24B5F7.5040606@threecrickets.com>
References: <AANLkTimPiVYHrrqwba6THYsp7AZ=y+eVi1v2PKc15v8P@mail.gmail.com>
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Oops, my apologies for sending this to the entire mailing list. Haven't had
my coffee yet.

Anyway, if the description tickles the fancy of anyone else on the list,
consider it addressed to you, personally. :)

-Tal
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From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 19:24:47 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:24:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Now Available For Hire
In-Reply-To: <4D24B03D.1080309@threecrickets.com>
References: <AANLkTimPiVYHrrqwba6THYsp7AZ=y+eVi1v2PKc15v8P@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0wi1tMj+2-heFskJLbqmGkGwhYE1Orj4aZ9aM@mail.gmail.com>

Tal: which of us?  Feel free to contact me personally (tottinge at gmail.com)
if you meant me.


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From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 19:27:48 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:27:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Opportunity for Django Learning
Message-ID: <AANLkTin32xt04BaR+cnFCn0fPMz8rd-egB+b2SHRDk9X@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in an interesting temporary situation, and want to learn more about
Django.
Here's the deal: I could either come out or remotely pair with someone on a
Django app. I might slow you down a little at first, but I'm an experienced
programmer
and an experienced Python programmer so I should pick up fast.

It would be a fun use of a morning or afternoon, and you'd not have to pay
me
for it. If interested, act quickly!

Tim

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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Jan  5 19:34:37 2011
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:34:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Opportunity for Django Learning
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin32xt04BaR+cnFCn0fPMz8rd-egB+b2SHRDk9X@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin32xt04BaR+cnFCn0fPMz8rd-egB+b2SHRDk9X@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D24B9BD.80700@threecrickets.com>

We're not using Django, and there's not a lot of Python. Much of it is 
JavaScript on the server interfacing with AJAX and with MongoDB. How 
does that sound?

On 01/05/2011 12:27 PM, Tim Ottinger wrote:

> I'm in an interesting temporary situation, and want to learn more 
> about Django.
> Here's the deal: I could either come out or remotely pair with someone 
> on a
> Django app. I might slow you down a little at first, but I'm an 
> experienced programmer
> and an experienced Python programmer so I should pick up fast.
>
> It would be a fun use of a morning or afternoon, and you'd not have to 
> pay me
> for it. If interested, act quickly!
>
> Tim
>
> -- 
> -------------------------------------
> http://agileinaflash.com/
> http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
> http://tottinge.blogsome.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 19:52:59 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:52:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Opportunity for Django Learning
In-Reply-To: <4D24B9BD.80700@threecrickets.com>
References: <AANLkTin32xt04BaR+cnFCn0fPMz8rd-egB+b2SHRDk9X@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D24B9BD.80700@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEk2pJZLJW-Q=wtNRH6bdPi7DzpO1BppNB7krp@mail.gmail.com>

I've always wanted to learn more Javascript (I'm a novice) and MongoDB. It
would be a hoot.


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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 03:18:38 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:18:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Opportunity for Django Learning
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin32xt04BaR+cnFCn0fPMz8rd-egB+b2SHRDk9X@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin32xt04BaR+cnFCn0fPMz8rd-egB+b2SHRDk9X@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_ADkLOk2vo3j29g6LM3VM6=M_tZrPamujzkzY@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm in an interesting temporary situation, and want to learn more about
> Django.
> Here's the deal: I could either come out or remotely pair with someone on a
> Django app. I might slow you down a little at first, but I'm an experienced
> programmer
> and an experienced Python programmer so I should pick up fast.

Hi Tim.

I used to pair and it was a lot of fun.  I'm afraid I'm a little too
busy at work these days to set aside time for pairing but there is an
open source Django app I work on that you [or anyone] could help out
on, if interested.  It has some good instructions for getting a dev
environment set up so I think you'd learn it pretty fast on your own.
It has a fairly good test suite so you wouldn't have to worry too much
about breaking things.

It's a couple of web apps that in-studio DJs use while on the air at
http://chirpradio.org/
hosted here http://code.google.com/p/chirpradio/

Getting started docs:
http://code.google.com/p/chirpradio/source/browse/docs/DeveloperGuide?r=caa7259130e5e3a89dd20991fefbdc74e996ca3b

Here is the low hanging fruit: small, bite size bugs:
http://code.google.com/p/chirpradio/issues/list?can=2&q=label%3ABitesize

I can code review your patches!

The DJs who use the software are really enthusiastic about it.  There
is a DJ Database in the works too that lets DJs review albums, read
other reviews, and plan out their on-air show by setting some tracks
aside in a "crate."  We also want to add some social features so that
DJs can follow the activity of other DJs and discover new music for
their shows.  There is currently some Last FM integration too.

Kumar

>
> It would be a fun use of a morning or afternoon, and you'd not have to pay
> me
> for it. If interested, act quickly!
>
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From g at rre.tt  Fri Jan  7 20:35:21 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:35:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
Message-ID: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know of a test suite I can run against an HTTP server to
check for protocol compliance and maybe throw some common bad requests
into the mix for testing?

I'm not looking for load testing.

Garrett

From esm at logic.net  Fri Jan  7 21:32:11 2011
From: esm at logic.net (Ed Marshall)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:32:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a test suite I can run against an HTTP server to
> check for protocol compliance and maybe throw some common bad requests
> into the mix for testing?
>

You might take a peek at some of Apache's testing software:

http://httpd.apache.org/test/


Some pieces of their perl framework might be applicable, perhaps?

HTTP Lint:

http://zamez.org/httplint


Fuzzing, if you just want to break something:

http://rfuzz.rubyforge.org/


Also, here's a rather lengthy list of testing tools that might give you
something to chew on, although most are targeted at web application testing,
rather than specifically testing HTTP compliance/capabilities:

hapacheapachettp://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html<http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html>


-- 
Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net>
Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.
http://esm.logic.net/
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 21:45:28 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:45:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a test suite I can run against an HTTP server to
>> check for protocol compliance and maybe throw some common bad requests
>> into the mix for testing?
>>
>
> You might take a peek at some of Apache's testing software:
>
> http://httpd.apache.org/test/
>
>
>
Does anybody want to present on automated protocol compliance and server
testing stuff at next weeks meeting (next Thursday at ITA)?

Personally, I am a bit more interested in automated testing RESTful web
services. Nonetheless,  I would appreciate anything in this area.

On a side note, the meeting is shaping up nicely and we will have a robot
demonstration and ROS stuff. Carl will also present his solution and get all
the answers he needs to roboticly deploy his architecture. Robotic web
testing may be fun.

Best meeting ever. I will most likely send out the announcement Tuesday. All
robots are welcome to attend.


-- 

Brian Ray
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Jan  7 22:05:53 2011
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:05:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_61JS23JDUJik9A4gxhMTpKicYEisQ2Q90MT=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a test suite I can run against an HTTP server to
>>> check for protocol compliance and maybe throw some common bad requests
>>> into the mix for testing?
>>
>> You might take a peek at some of Apache's testing software:
>>
>> http://httpd.apache.org/test/
>
> Does anybody want to present on automated protocol compliance and server
> testing stuff at next weeks meeting (next Thursday at ITA)?
>
> Personally, I am a bit more interested in automated testing RESTful web
> services. Nonetheless,? I would appreciate anything in this area.

I will ask around at work to see if anyone would like to give a talk on it.

> On a side note, the meeting is shaping up nicely and we will have a robot
> demonstration and ROS stuff. Carl will also present his solution and get all
> the answers he needs to roboticly deploy his architecture. Robotic web
> testing may be fun.
>
> Best meeting ever. I will most likely send out the announcement Tuesday. All
> robots are welcome to attend.

speaking of which, people at work here use the robot testing
framework. which is written in python.

I've played a little with it and I don't enjoy writing the test files
for it, but I guess I won't knock it too much.


-- 
sheila

From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Jan  7 22:20:21 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:20:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of a test suite I can run against an HTTP server to
>>>> check for protocol compliance and maybe throw some common bad requests
>>>> into the mix for testing?
>>>
>>> You might take a peek at some of Apache's testing software:
>>>
>>> http://httpd.apache.org/test/
>>
>> Does anybody want to present on automated protocol compliance and server
>> testing stuff at next weeks meeting (next Thursday at ITA)?
>>
>> Personally, I am a bit more interested in automated testing RESTful web
>> services. Nonetheless,? I would appreciate anything in this area.
>
> I will ask around at work to see if anyone would like to give a talk on it.
>
>> On a side note, the meeting is shaping up nicely and we will have a robot
>> demonstration and ROS stuff. Carl will also present his solution and get all
>> the answers he needs to roboticly deploy his architecture. Robotic web
>> testing may be fun.
>>
>> Best meeting ever. I will most likely send out the announcement Tuesday. All
>> robots are welcome to attend.
>
> speaking of which, people at work here use the robot testing
> framework. which is written in python.
>
> I've played a little with it and I don't enjoy writing the test files
> for it, but I guess I won't knock it too much.
>
>

About an hour ago I got all my bits and pieces working together.

Results (and history) is checked into
http://gitorious.org/vms/vms

I could use 2 flavors of review:
A) read and comment on what I am doing
B) git clone and do what the README says:
"1. install qemu   2. read pinax_deploy.txt    3. run ./run.sh"
Should be that easy.  Takes about 20 min, and only a min or 2 of typing stuff.

The goal was to be easy to understand.  but in trying to get
everything working the docs of how it works got a bit messy.

I think this is the first step to using Fabric or something. But I
think the details of what is being done are more interesting than how
they are done.  and I am out of time for learning something by next
Thurs.

-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 22:35:07 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:35:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimgndmLiw+7-Z0Lj_CCJVB6LiUSxiKaEfjXc_AL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>
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About an hour ago I got all my bits and pieces working together.
>
> Results (and history) is checked into
> http://gitorious.org/vms/vms
>
> Carl:

Remind us what this has to do with Python? In other words, how is the
relevant?

Brian Ray
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From bob.haugen at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 22:49:19 2011
From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:49:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> About an hour ago I got all my bits and pieces working together.
>>
>> Results (and history) is checked into
>> http://gitorious.org/vms/vms
>
> Remind us what this has to do with Python? In other words, how is the
> relevant?

Radically easy deployment of Django/Pinax projects now, maybe other
Python web apps later (altho I can't speak for Carl)..

But in his own words, from http://gitorious.org/vms/vms/blobs/master/README.txt

What this is all about:

I am trying to walk though a config that will apply to the most people.
I might  be wrong, but I have a feeling most people want:
1. follow the recommendations in the Django docs, like
apache/mod_swgi, don't serve static files...
2. install to a $20/m Linux, like Slicehost (no vendor lock in)
3. install a few sites on the same box (or VM)
and the biggie:
4. not have to do any research, keep the options to a minimum.  Like
"install PIL if your app needs it."  (Pinax now requires it, so I am
going to include PIL because I think using Pinax simplifies the
install.)
	
I am not saying it will work for everyone, just cover the largest
group.  The top 100 or even 1000 sites are not the largest group.  the
bottom 10,000 is, and I have a feeling their requirements have quite a
bit in common with each other.
	
I think being able to bring up a local VM that they can test the
production config on is an added bonus that everyone should have but
currently isn't even on their radar.    The path I am going adds that
feature at no cost.

From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Jan  7 23:32:28 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:32:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
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References: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> About an hour ago I got all my bits and pieces working together.
>>>
>>> Results (and history) is checked into
>>> http://gitorious.org/vms/vms
>>
>> Remind us what this has to do with Python? In other words, how is the
>> relevant?
>
> Radically easy deployment of Django/Pinax projects now, maybe other
> Python web apps later (altho I can't speak for Carl)..
>
> But in his own words, from http://gitorious.org/vms/vms/blobs/master/README.txt
>
> What this is all about:
>
> I am trying to walk though a config that will apply to the most people.
> I might ?be wrong, but I have a feeling most people want:
> 1. follow the recommendations in the Django docs, like
> apache/mod_swgi, don't serve static files...
> 2. install to a $20/m Linux, like Slicehost (no vendor lock in)
> 3. install a few sites on the same box (or VM)
> and the biggie:
> 4. not have to do any research, keep the options to a minimum. ?Like
> "install PIL if your app needs it." ?(Pinax now requires it, so I am
> going to include PIL because I think using Pinax simplifies the
> install.)
>
> I am not saying it will work for everyone, just cover the largest
> group. ?The top 100 or even 1000 sites are not the largest group. ?the
> bottom 10,000 is, and I have a feeling their requirements have quite a
> bit in common with each other.
>
> I think being able to bring up a local VM that they can test the
> production config on is an added bonus that everyone should have but
> currently isn't even on their radar. ? ?The path I am going adds that
> feature at no cost.

Yeah, what he said.  that I said.

I will admit it isn't a strong python subject.  If there wasn't some
interest I wouldn't be suggesting it. Did I even suggest it?  I am not
really sure how I got here.

Very python: Virtualenv, easy_install, pip
Python by proxy: Pinax, Django,
I think there is some interest in postgresql and apache configs.
everyone should see how easy it is to use a VM to test in.

-- 
Carl K

From bob.haugen at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 23:38:46 2011
From: bob.haugen at gmail.com (Bob Haugen)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:38:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> I will admit it isn't a strong python subject. ?If there wasn't some
> interest I wouldn't be suggesting it.

I'm *very* interested.  On the other hand, I can rarely make it to
Chipy meetings, so maybe that does not count...

From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Jan  7 23:41:47 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:41:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> About an hour ago I got all my bits and pieces working together.
>>>>
>>>> Results (and history) is checked into
>>>> http://gitorious.org/vms/vms
>>>
>>> Remind us what this has to do with Python? In other words, how is the
>>> relevant?
>>
>> Radically easy deployment of Django/Pinax projects now, maybe other
>> Python web apps later (altho I can't speak for Carl)..
>>
>> But in his own words, from http://gitorious.org/vms/vms/blobs/master/README.txt
>>
>> What this is all about:
>>
>> I am trying to walk though a config that will apply to the most people.
>> I might ?be wrong, but I have a feeling most people want:
>> 1. follow the recommendations in the Django docs, like
>> apache/mod_swgi, don't serve static files...
>> 2. install to a $20/m Linux, like Slicehost (no vendor lock in)
>> 3. install a few sites on the same box (or VM)
>> and the biggie:
>> 4. not have to do any research, keep the options to a minimum. ?Like
>> "install PIL if your app needs it." ?(Pinax now requires it, so I am
>> going to include PIL because I think using Pinax simplifies the
>> install.)
>>
>> I am not saying it will work for everyone, just cover the largest
>> group. ?The top 100 or even 1000 sites are not the largest group. ?the
>> bottom 10,000 is, and I have a feeling their requirements have quite a
>> bit in common with each other.
>>
>> I think being able to bring up a local VM that they can test the
>> production config on is an added bonus that everyone should have but
>> currently isn't even on their radar. ? ?The path I am going adds that
>> feature at no cost.
>
> Yeah, what he said. ?that I said.
>
> I will admit it isn't a strong python subject. ?If there wasn't some
> interest I wouldn't be suggesting it. Did I even suggest it? ?I am not
> really sure how I got here.
>
> Very python: Virtualenv, easy_install, pip
> Python by proxy: Pinax, Django,
> I think there is some interest in postgresql and apache configs.
> everyone should see how easy it is to use a VM to test in.

Oh, and som emore +0/-0:

I deploy http://us.pycon.org - which is also easy to hack on.  that
does not mean your patches will be accepted.  I have no clue what;s up
in that regard.  It just seemed like a good site code base to mess
with.

And I would be happy to give way to anyone else who wants to talk
about anything.

>
> --
> Carl K
>



-- 
Carl K

From pfein at pobox.com  Fri Jan  7 20:56:06 2011
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:56:06 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1910988C-BD82-4432-9874-0F70BB48CAC3@pobox.com>

Ha ha ha.

No.

If HTML is tag soup, HTTP is protocol soup.

On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Garrett Smith wrote:

> Does anyone know of a test suite I can run against an HTTP server to
> check for protocol compliance and maybe throw some common bad requests
> into the mix for testing?
> 
> I'm not looking for load testing.
> 
> Garrett
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From alan.zoppa at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 00:00:22 2011
From: alan.zoppa at gmail.com (C. Alan Zoppa)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:00:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] (Yet Another) Job Seeker
Message-ID: <AANLkTim29TM-eM2o9Ug9qRJxRgXxEQEHaFmnNK5eWHL8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ChiPy,

I apologize in advance if job seeking is a breach of etiquette, but I've
never seen anything definitive on the subject.

I've been working as a full-time Django developer in Chicago for the last
year. Prior to that, I ran the web department at a non-profit for two years.
Anyway, my current employer is moving away from open-source (boooooo...), so
it's time for me to move on.

If you know anyone who needs an experienced developer, here's my CV and
portfolio <http://alanzoppa.com/cv/>. Not to speak too highly of myself, but
I can provide enthusiastic recommendations on request.

See you next week and many thanks to you all.

--Alan

-- 
C. Alan Zoppa

Web Developer

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"It is an astonishing fact about our species that we understand so much
about the history of the universe, the forces that make it tick, the stuff
it?s made of, the origin of living things and the machinery of life. A
failure to nurture this knowledge shows a philistine indifference to the
magnificent achievements humanity is capable of, like allowing a great work
of art to molder in a warehouse."
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From g at rre.tt  Sat Jan  8 00:05:08 2011
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:05:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] HTTP server compliance test suite
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikrSmQ5YmhAhY1Ur8q3vX6EYnRmOSB+6EN+Bh48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfKGGUCV3LkGotARHsF6QrT-YBn5Q2arzx=M1k@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of a test suite I can run against an HTTP server to
>> check for protocol compliance and maybe throw some common bad requests
>> into the mix for testing?
>
> You might take a peek at some of Apache's testing software:
>
> http://httpd.apache.org/test/
>
> Some pieces of their perl framework might be applicable, perhaps?
> HTTP Lint:
>
> http://zamez.org/httplint
>
> Fuzzing, if you just want to break something:
>
> http://rfuzz.rubyforge.org/
>
> Also, here's a rather lengthy list of testing tools that might give you
> something to chew on, although most are targeted at web application testing,
> rather than specifically testing HTTP compliance/capabilities:
>
> hapacheapachettp://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html

Thanks for the list Ed.

I ran across this as well:

http://coad.measurement-factory.com/samples/http.html

At $24K for a license, it's quite a bargain.

Well, not for me, but for super rich people.

From waltaskew at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 03:27:07 2011
From: waltaskew at gmail.com (Walter Askew)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:27:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] (Yet Another) Job Seeker
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim29TM-eM2o9Ug9qRJxRgXxEQEHaFmnNK5eWHL8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim29TM-eM2o9Ug9qRJxRgXxEQEHaFmnNK5eWHL8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F6BC35B-CE6E-4306-91BE-16832FD8D2FC@gmail.com>

If you (or anyone else) is looking for a job doing web stuff in Python, my company is hiring.  The company is called SteepRock -- here's the website: http://steeprockinc.com/ .  You can check out the wanted ad for the position on the Python job board: http://www.python.org/community/jobs/  (I missed it for a while when I was job hunting because the location is 'Telecommute, US' )

I can answer questions about the job off-list.  I'm a programmer, not a recruiter, so I'll be happy to answer questions like a real human being.

On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:00 PM, C. Alan Zoppa wrote:

> Hi ChiPy,
> 
> I apologize in advance if job seeking is a breach of etiquette, but I've never seen anything definitive on the subject.
> 
> I've been working as a full-time Django developer in Chicago for the last year. Prior to that, I ran the web department at a non-profit for two years. Anyway, my current employer is moving away from open-source (boooooo...), so it's time for me to move on.
> 
> If you know anyone who needs an experienced developer, here's my CV and portfolio. Not to speak too highly of myself, but I can provide enthusiastic recommendations on request.
> 
> See you next week and many thanks to you all.
> 
> --Alan
> 
> -- 
> C. Alan Zoppa
> 
> Web Developer
> 
> Open PGP: 0x322D2EA7
> F60F D3F8 E89C 10A3 1403 5CA8 D50D 0CE2 322D 2EA7
> 
> "It is an astonishing fact about our species that we understand so much about the history of the universe, the forces that make it tick, the stuff it?s made of, the origin of living things and the machinery of life. A failure to nurture this knowledge shows a philistine indifference to the magnificent achievements humanity is capable of, like allowing a great work of art to molder in a warehouse."
> (Steven Pinker)
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 03:29:39 2011
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:29:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] (Yet Another) Job Seeker
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim29TM-eM2o9Ug9qRJxRgXxEQEHaFmnNK5eWHL8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim29TM-eM2o9Ug9qRJxRgXxEQEHaFmnNK5eWHL8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MuNu3+DHMFm+J7uArBsFo0gqpfOvDh4M7EQ-K@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sorry to hear that. Out of curiosity, what are they moving to, and
why? If you're free to let that information out.

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:00 PM, C. Alan Zoppa <alan.zoppa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi ChiPy,
> I apologize in advance if job seeking is a breach of etiquette, but I've
> never seen anything definitive on the subject.
> I've been working as a full-time Django developer in Chicago for the last
> year. Prior to that, I ran the web department at a non-profit for two years.
> Anyway, my current employer is moving away from open-source (boooooo...), so
> it's time for me to move on.
> If you know anyone who needs an experienced developer, here's my CV and
> portfolio. Not to speak too highly of myself, but I can provide enthusiastic
> recommendations on request.
> See you next week and many thanks to you all.
> --Alan
> --
> C. Alan Zoppa
>
> Web Developer
>
> Open PGP: 0x322D2EA7
> F60F D3F8 E89C 10A3 1403 5CA8 D50D 0CE2 322D 2EA7
>
> "It is an astonishing fact about our species that we understand so much
> about the history of the universe, the forces that make it tick, the stuff
> it?s made of, the origin of living things and the machinery of life. A
> failure to nurture this knowledge shows a philistine indifference to the
> magnificent achievements humanity is capable of, like allowing a great work
> of art to molder in a warehouse."
> (Steven Pinker)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From tjurewicz at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 02:48:52 2011
From: tjurewicz at gmail.com (Trent Jurewicz)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 19:48:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] chipy.org down?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyidO7URzx_KWiXqMixoXfG85oxvAkCM26efq_@mail.gmail.com>

Just noticed that the chipy.org site is down, or at least not loading right
now.  Anybody need to be aware of this?

~Trent
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Jan 10 23:15:13 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:15:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] deploy django talk?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=pmT4YHMrDUF6QhQ3SckN6QXEnQsJH6nwvWoCh@mail.gmail.com>

I need some proposals and votes for this weeks meeting.

We have one strong talk about robot control.  That is in, no need to
discuss that.

Do we want that to the be only talk?

or

I am finished with my "how to deploy a Django/P:inax site.'  project.
I have a script that grabs a VM from debian.org, there is a bit of
boot strapping, and after about 15 min the http://us.pycon.org
codebase is installed and running on apache/postgresql in what I think
is a pretty reasonable way.   The talk would be stepping though the
scripts and looking at the config files.

There were some offers for other talks on a similar subject.   I could
soak up 30 min, but maybe it would be good if we had 2 20 min talks on
the subject.

Or if anyone else wants to talk about something, fire away.

Some time tonight I'll collect the vote and send out the announcement.

-- 
Carl K

From jongman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 23:38:06 2011
From: jongman at gmail.com (JongMan Koo)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:38:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] deploy django talk?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=pmT4YHMrDUF6QhQ3SckN6QXEnQsJH6nwvWoCh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=pmT4YHMrDUF6QhQ3SckN6QXEnQsJH6nwvWoCh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKu6kZL3GUkw+NV8gRMCHC69zHT4jv5PeHVj19@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in the Django/Pinax talk. +1

2011/1/10 Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>

> I need some proposals and votes for this weeks meeting.
>
> We have one strong talk about robot control.  That is in, no need to
> discuss that.
>
> Do we want that to the be only talk?
>
> or
>
> I am finished with my "how to deploy a Django/P:inax site.'  project.
> I have a script that grabs a VM from debian.org, there is a bit of
> boot strapping, and after about 15 min the http://us.pycon.org
> codebase is installed and running on apache/postgresql in what I think
> is a pretty reasonable way.   The talk would be stepping though the
> scripts and looking at the config files.
>
> There were some offers for other talks on a similar subject.   I could
> soak up 30 min, but maybe it would be good if we had 2 20 min talks on
> the subject.
>
> Or if anyone else wants to talk about something, fire away.
>
> Some time tonight I'll collect the vote and send out the announcement.
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 04:26:27 2011
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:26:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] deploy django talk?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=pmT4YHMrDUF6QhQ3SckN6QXEnQsJH6nwvWoCh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=pmT4YHMrDUF6QhQ3SckN6QXEnQsJH6nwvWoCh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=v6HKQZ0rNDMA=D67dbsf75AJ6hwR+LZm56+qK@mail.gmail.com>

+1 on both.  I am much more likely to deploy Django and have a robot
to program.  But robots have a coolness factor that web frameworks
lack.  That should fill things up.  If you have more proposals fill up
Feb.

Phil

From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 11 06:07:18 2011
From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:07:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Possible Talk for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1294657201.28284.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.15.1294657201.28284.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <1037A5F1-53EB-473F-8BD0-92C027F14E74@sbcglobal.net>

I'm not sure if we're still looking for talks on Thursday, but if so, I'd like to volunteer to give a talk about using Python to do some retro-computing hacking involving my vintage 1978 Superboard II.   It's not exactly robotics, but it involves hardware and a lot of low-level hacking (along with some Python3 and ZeroMQ thrown in for good measure ;-).   

Cheers,
Dave


From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan 11 07:45:29 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:45:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Possible Talk for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <1037A5F1-53EB-473F-8BD0-92C027F14E74@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.15.1294657201.28284.chicago@python.org>
	<1037A5F1-53EB-473F-8BD0-92C027F14E74@sbcglobal.net>
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:07 PM, David Beazley <d-beazley at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I'm not sure if we're still looking for talks on Thursday, but if so, I'd like to volunteer to give a talk about using Python to do some retro-computing hacking involving my vintage 1978 Superboard II. ? It's not exactly robotics, but it involves hardware and a lot of low-level hacking (along with some Python3 and ZeroMQ thrown in for good measure ;-).
>


Oh jeez Beaz, I just sent the announcement off to the printers.  er,
the proffers.

I told them I would send it out around 8am.  Anyone want to squeeze
this in?  Personally I think we have a pretty full meeting.


> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 13:17:19 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 06:17:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Possible Talk for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <1037A5F1-53EB-473F-8BD0-92C027F14E74@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.15.1294657201.28284.chicago@python.org>
	<1037A5F1-53EB-473F-8BD0-92C027F14E74@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTintV0NfPBsapP-m5Wc3dB1=i4wS0j7bxR13Zb23@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:07 PM, David Beazley <d-beazley at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> I'm not sure if we're still looking for talks on Thursday, but if so, I'd
> like to volunteer to give a talk about using Python to do some
> retro-computing hacking involving my vintage 1978 Superboard II.   It's not
> exactly robotics, but it involves hardware and a lot of low-level hacking
> (along with some Python3 and ZeroMQ thrown in for good measure ;-).
>
>
++1


-- 

Brian Ray
(773) 669-7717
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From robkapteyn at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 15:27:55 2011
From: robkapteyn at gmail.com (Rob Kapteyn)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:27:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Possible Talk for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTintV0NfPBsapP-m5Wc3dB1=i4wS0j7bxR13Zb23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.15.1294657201.28284.chicago@python.org>
	<1037A5F1-53EB-473F-8BD0-92C027F14E74@sbcglobal.net>
	<AANLkTintV0NfPBsapP-m5Wc3dB1=i4wS0j7bxR13Zb23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ACC95116-4D6E-4270-9C11-4BE281B56767@gmail.com>

+1

On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:17 AM, Brian Ray wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:07 PM, David Beazley <d-beazley at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I'm not sure if we're still looking for talks on Thursday, but if so, I'd like to volunteer to give a talk about using Python to do some retro-computing hacking involving my vintage 1978 Superboard II.   It's not exactly robotics, but it involves hardware and a lot of low-level hacking (along with some Python3 and ZeroMQ thrown in for good measure ;-).
> 
> 
> ++1 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Brian Ray
> (773) 669-7717
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan 11 16:11:41 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:11:41 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy at ITA Thu January 13, 7p
Message-ID: <20110111151141.4133.22274@localhost6.localdomain6>


ChiPy
=========================

When: 7 PM Thursday January 13, 2011
Where: ITA

Best meeting ever!

Topics
------
 1. 7:00 ROS - Robot Operating System (Brian Ray and Bill Mania)
 2. 8:00 Django Deployment for the Average Bloke (Carl Karsten)
 3. 8:45 Vintage 1978 Superboard II hacking with some Python3 and ZeroMQ (David Beazley)

 
Details
-------

1. ROS - Robot Operating System 
Brian Ray and Bill Mania
ROS is the Robot Operating System, originally from Stanford and
now supported by Willow Garage. ROS has a mature Python interface
and is being used around the world by both amateur and
professional roboticists. At the end of the presentation, if time
allows and interest exists, some rudimentary ROS functionality
will be demonstrated on a robot in progress.



2. Django Deployment for the Average Bloke 
Carl Karsten
Deploying a Django/Pinax site on the following stack:

Linux Debian Lenny
Apache mod_wsgi
PostgreSQL 

This is the config you want to use if you don't know what you want to use.  You don't need to make any choices, you don't have to do any research, and you don't even need to read the docs if you don't want to.

And as an added bonus, I show how to wget a vm image to deploy into with network ports exposed.  It is very much like working with a hosting provider like Slice Host, and it makes a great framework for testing server installs. 





3. Vintage 1978 Superboard II hacking with some Python3 and ZeroMQ 
David Beazley
 I'm not sure if we're still looking for talks on Thursday, but if so, I'd like to volunteer to give a talk about using Python to do some retro-computing hacking involving my vintage 1978 Superboard II.   It's not exactly robotics, but it involves hardware and a lot of low-level hacking (along with some Python3 and ZeroMQ thrown in for good measure ;-).




Location
--------
Illinois Technology Association (ITA)
200 S. Wacker Drive
15th Floor
Chicago, IL 60606

312.435.2805
http://www.illinoistech.org

Metra: exit on Adams St, walk East across the bridge, first door on the right.

Show your ID to security.  Be on the list or they will be sad.
http://chipy.org/FrontPage#sign-up

About the group
---------------
ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers, people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting.



From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jan 12 03:40:22 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:40:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Possible Talk for Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTintV0NfPBsapP-m5Wc3dB1=i4wS0j7bxR13Zb23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.15.1294657201.28284.chicago@python.org>
	<1037A5F1-53EB-473F-8BD0-92C027F14E74@sbcglobal.net>
	<AANLkTintV0NfPBsapP-m5Wc3dB1=i4wS0j7bxR13Zb23@mail.gmail.com>
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    Brian> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:07 PM, David Beazley <d-beazley at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
    >> I'm not sure if we're still looking for talks on Thursday, but if so,
    >> I'd like to volunteer to give a talk about ...

    Brian> ++1

I think you want post-increment there to avoid order of execution
problems...

Skip

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 16:22:35 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:22:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Robots Unite: Loop meeting tonight!
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=KAmk2z+xs6mMFW7ZH6CYgR7YLzvm+6CZH6jOC@mail.gmail.com>

RSVP here for tonight meeting:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA


Tonight will by BYOB, BYOF... or eat before you get there.  Feel free to
bring a pot luck dish and share with me :)

This will be a great meeting and you do not want to miss this one.  Looking
at the great line up I am thinking this might be the best meeting yet. Just
my $.02

-- 

Brian Ray
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 22:08:51 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:08:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] FYI - PyCon 2011 Early Bird deadline is Monday Jan 17
Message-ID: <AANLkTim+EV_PwG4f9XxCPAxdhQU186DE=HtgQBTSKG6L@mail.gmail.com>

http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/01/pycon-early-bird-deadline-jan-17.html

In other PyCon news, tutorials [0] and talks [1] were both recently
announced. Both lists are awesome.

[0] http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/tutorials/
[1] http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/talks/

Just like tonight's ChiPy meeting will be the best ever, this PyCon will
also be the best ever.
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Jan 17 02:56:16 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:56:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] jan vids up
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbfkyx+3JDb77FA5cCvsMYWBbRcgpdkQVV0E1o@mail.gmail.com>

1. ROS - Robot Operating System
Brian Ray and Bill Mania
 Video: http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/4639302

2. Django Deployment for the Average Bloke
Carl Karsten
 Video: http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/4639366

3. Vintage 1978 Superboard II hacking with some Python3 and ZeroMQ
David Beazley
 Video: http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/4639616

I did some hacking on the encoding parameters. They should look great
and be less filling of your bandwidth.  Let me know if you see
anything that looks odd.


-- 
Carl K

From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Tue Jan 11 16:09:45 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:09:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <4D24B07A.9050501@threecrickets.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D24B07A.9050501@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=CzGFWwXziXoKV4RP8zzS02aAvccvVEMSC1VFL@mail.gmail.com>

I spoke too soon about having my job back. My employer's "We want you back"
in this case meant "We want you to go through the interview process for
another, Java-centric position." Interviewing is fine, but I'm not a Java
guru.

Would you still be willing to talk about a position?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

> A startup that I'm working for is looking for a job, someone for a full
> time position. Would you be interested?
>
> On 01/03/2011 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward wrote:
>
>  I have Django JavaScript Integration <
>> https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
>> coming out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?
>>
>>
>> --
>> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about
>> usability
>> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward <
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com<mailto:
>> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com>
>>
>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
>> and websites a joy to use
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
jQuery
<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
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From samir at esamir.com  Mon Jan 17 14:49:21 2011
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 07:49:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=CzGFWwXziXoKV4RP8zzS02aAvccvVEMSC1VFL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTi=CzGFWwXziXoKV4RP8zzS02aAvccvVEMSC1VFL@mail.gmail.com>
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Even if you're not a java guy... they know you there.. you won't lose
anything by interviewing there.

Just my 2 cents.



On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Jonathan Hayward
<jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
> I spoke too soon about having my job back. My employer's "We want you back"
> in this case meant "We want you to go through the interview process for
> another, Java-centric position." Interviewing is fine, but I'm not a Java
> guru.
> Would you still be willing to talk about a position?
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> A startup that I'm working for is looking for a job, someone for a full
>> time position. Would you be interested?
>>
>> On 01/03/2011 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward wrote:
>>
>>> I have Django JavaScript Integration
>>> <https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
>>> coming out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about
>>> usability
>>> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
>>> <mailto:jonathan.hayward at pobox.com>
>>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
>>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
>>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
>>> and websites a joy to use
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> ? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
> jQuery
> ??www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward???jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix,?Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
> and websites a joy to use
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

From lance at roytalman.com  Mon Jan 17 16:40:36 2011
From: lance at roytalman.com (Lance Hassan)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:40:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=CzGFWwXziXoKV4RP8zzS02aAvccvVEMSC1VFL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>	<4D24B07A.9050501@threecrickets.com>
	<AANLkTi=CzGFWwXziXoKV4RP8zzS02aAvccvVEMSC1VFL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAPpysm8Ffi5Lu8ZdT2OpqefCgAAAEAAAAKmvVIS7PfdIgpkpF5r5nMABAAAAAA==@roytalman.com>

Jonathan, call me (312) 425-1313 x 105, I am a recruiter but I don?t recruit through the user forums, we should have a conversation, I might know of some possibilities. 

 

Thank You

Lance Hassan

Roy Talman and Associates

From: chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hayward
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:10 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Any openings?

 

I spoke too soon about having my job back. My employer's "We want you back" in this case meant "We want you to go through the interview process for another, Java-centric position." Interviewing is fine, but I'm not a Java guru.

 

Would you still be willing to talk about a position?

 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:

A startup that I'm working for is looking for a job, someone for a full time position. Would you be interested?

On 01/03/2011 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward wrote:

I have Django JavaScript Integration <https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book> coming out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?



-- 
? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about usability

? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com <mailto:jonathan.hayward at pobox.com>


? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux, Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software and websites a joy to use



_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago




-- 
? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and jQuery <https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book> 


?  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ?  <mailto:jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux, Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML

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From alan.zoppa at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 23:43:40 2011
From: alan.zoppa at gmail.com (C. Alan Zoppa)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:43:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
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References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D24B07A.9050501@threecrickets.com>
	<AANLkTi=CzGFWwXziXoKV4RP8zzS02aAvccvVEMSC1VFL@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTikkuwwyc-bXPqQgdcxJdmZt9JUtytdeOpnL-3mq@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lance,

I'm another Python developer looking for a new gig. My resume's at
alanzoppa.com/cv, and I'd love to hear from you if you have anything that
might interest me.

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Lance Hassan <lance at roytalman.com> wrote:

> Jonathan, call me (312) 425-1313 x 105, I am a recruiter but I don?t
> recruit through the user forums, we should have a conversation, I might know
> of some possibilities.
>
>
>
> Thank You
>
> Lance Hassan
>
> Roy Talman and Associates
>
> *From:* chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com at python.org [mailto:
> chicago-bounces+lance <chicago-bounces%2Blance>=roytalman.com at python.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Hayward
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:10 AM
> *To:* The Chicago Python Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Chicago] Any openings?
>
>
>
> I spoke too soon about having my job back. My employer's "We want you back"
> in this case meant "We want you to go through the interview process for
> another, Java-centric position." Interviewing is fine, but I'm not a Java
> guru.
>
>
>
> Would you still be willing to talk about a position?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> wrote:
>
> A startup that I'm working for is looking for a job, someone for a full
> time position. Would you be interested?
>
> On 01/03/2011 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward wrote:
>
> I have Django JavaScript Integration <
> https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
> coming out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra hands?
>
>
>
> --
> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about usability
>
> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward <
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com<mailto:
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com>
>
>
> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
> and websites a joy to use
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
>
> --
> ? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
> jQuery
> <https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
>
> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
>
> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
> and websites a joy to use
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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Web Application Developer

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From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Mon Jan 17 15:08:37 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:08:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Any openings?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimheuyopSsDYYBJsYbctj76OUwi=i5i_dBJo79Y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikVsqWnd24HcQ_5A3n6JuPuR3xFnfoioaF_3Zee@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTi=CzGFWwXziXoKV4RP8zzS02aAvccvVEMSC1VFL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimheuyopSsDYYBJsYbctj76OUwi=i5i_dBJo79Y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4mT-kAxZY+vr=sGjUganvkCTp_fLVLd5Hwh3=@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you. I did interview, but it was a technical interview asking Java
questions, and I think it clearly showed I was not at the Java level they
were looking for.

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com> wrote:

> Even if you're not a java guy... they know you there.. you won't lose
> anything by interviewing there.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Jonathan Hayward
> <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
> > I spoke too soon about having my job back. My employer's "We want you
> back"
> > in this case meant "We want you to go through the interview process for
> > another, Java-centric position." Interviewing is fine, but I'm not a Java
> > guru.
> > Would you still be willing to talk about a position?
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> A startup that I'm working for is looking for a job, someone for a full
> >> time position. Would you be interested?
> >>
> >> On 01/03/2011 10:59 AM, Jonathan Hayward wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have Django JavaScript Integration
> >>> <
> https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book
> >
> >>> coming out with Packt this month. Would anyone have use for extra
> hands?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ? Jonathan Hayward, a senior web developer who cares deeply about
> >>> usability
> >>> ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward
> >>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> >>> <mailto:jonathan.hayward at pobox.com>
> >>> ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> >>> Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> >>> ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making
> software
> >>> and websites a joy to use
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ? Jonathan Hayward, book author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and
> > jQuery
> > ? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> > ? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
> > Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
> > ? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
> > and websites a joy to use
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
? Author Bio <https://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/jonathan-hayward>
? LinkedIn
Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux,
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From massimo.dipierro at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 00:23:40 2011
From: massimo.dipierro at gmail.com (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:23:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Holly - Triple Crown Consulting - remote web2py opp!
References: <711930145.1294931336816.JavaMail.cfservice@SL0APP1>
Message-ID: <8922AC4B-A971-4550-8185-6D72DBA1B87D@gmail.com>

Below is one more job opportunity that I received some time ago. I also directed Neil from quantrec to the group a few weeks ago. 

These days at experts4solutions.com we are getting many requests from employers about job offers, definitively more than we can handle.

I will forward some of them to chipy if members are not interested.

Massimo


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Holly Rusin <holly at tripleco.com>
> Date: January 13, 2011 9:08:56 AM CST
> To: massimodipierro71 at gmail.com
> Subject: Holly - Triple Crown Consulting - remote web2py opp!
> 
> Good morning Massimo,
> I was given your name by a colleague of yours and i wanted to introduce myself.  I specialize in placing Sr. level Hardware/Software engineers into companies on a contract basis.  We have clients all across the U.S. consisting of Fortune 500 companies as well as Start-ups in the areas of Semiconductors, Aerospace, Commercial, Telecom, Networking, Government Defense...etc
>  
> I'd like to touch base, introduce myself and see if/when you would be looking for your next project.  What's a good time to call and discuss any opportunities?
>  
> Also, if you would, please send me a copy of your resume so i can keep an eye out for openings/Rec's that are up your alley!
>  
> The opportunity I was contacting you on is as follows:
> _______________________
> 6+months remote
> Web Application Developer
>  
> min. of 3 years experience
> Prefers Python experience, but will take Ruby on Rails (RoR).
> XHTML, CSS
> Biggest thing is Web2py experience, which is an "open sourced web application framework" written in python.  He knows this is very hard to find and the sky is the limit as far as rate, if we can find this.
>  
> Written job description:
>  
> Web Technologies Software Developer Position
>  
> The duties of the Web Technologies Software Developer will include the following:
>  
> Participate in the creation of a production internet-facing web portal along with custom web applications to interact with various aspects of a network
> Develop, review and refine the requirements, specifications, architecture and designs for the web-based software components of team projects
> Configure, implement and evaluate Web Technology Frameworks to be implemented in creation of a secure web portal and related applications, as well as Database technologies and Secure Authentication mechanisms
> Provide Web Software Development expertise and support to strategic technology R&D projects as needed
>  
> Requirements include:
>  
> Web application software development experience in Ruby (Rails) or Python (web2py, Django, etc.)
> Extensive experience in building and developing secure websites with modern architectural designs
> Experience in creating web applications based on MVC design pattern
> Experience in developing standards compliant XHTML and CSS
> 3+ years experience developing production web applications for commercial or defense customers
> XHTML/CSS/Ruby or Python/SQL/XML/Javascript
> Database design and management experience
> Good personal communications with customers and engineering staff
> Experience working as part of a team
> US Citizen
>  
> Desired:
> BS, Computer Science or closely related degree
> Working knowledge of cyber security (academic or professional)
> User Management, Access Control, and Security Systems experience
> Familiarity with techniques for writing secure software
> Experienced in working within agile development cycles
> Ethical hacking or penetration testing experience
> ___________________________
>  
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
>  
> Holly Rusin
> Triple Crown Consulting, LLC
> Technical Recruiter
> Direct: 512-623-5750
> Toll Free: 866-901-8880 ext 112
> Fax: 512-233-5341
> www.tripleco.com
> 

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From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 10:49:41 2011
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:49:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] Several items that may be of interest to group members
Message-ID: <19307.83024.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello,

While this may not be directly related to group topics, here are several items that may be of interest to group members.

1.) (shortest first) The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is now on Facebook and Twitter.? Join our Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59120137059) or follow us on Twitter (username:? chicagoacm).

2.)? Next ACM Meeting: January 19, 2011 

A joint meeting with the Loyola University Computer Science Department

Speaker: Jami Montgomery

Topic: "A Software Tool for Creating Cartographical Projects and Extracting Data from High Resolution Topography Data Maps"

Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 6:30 pm
5:30 pm -6:30 pm (Social Hour)

Loyola University Water Tower Campus (Chicago/Michigan Area)
820 N Michigan, Chicago IL 60611
Beane Ballroom (13th Floor, Lewis Towers)

Campus map: http://www.luc.edu/about/pdfs/wtc_may09.pdf 

Admission: Free (General Admission, No Reserved Seats)

Reservations:
To make a reservation, use this form:
(https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/chicagoacm.org/viewform?authkey=CK70jJcG&formkey=dEZhNjNzMlhYRDZJcW1GY3pPMVpfX2c6MA&ndplr=1#gid=0)
or send an e-mail to greg at neumarke.net. 

About the Topic: 

Recent advances in NASA?s space-based imaging have produced an unprecedented wealth of low and high-resolution topography data for planetary systems.? We used commodity graphical processing units (GPU) to generate real-time geo-referenced cartographical projects using the high-resolution topography data and provided geophysicists with a novel graphical method that automates the selection and extraction of sub-regional point-data from the topography data maps.

About the Speaker: 

Jami Montgomery is a senior associate researcher in the Information Retrieval Lab (IR) at Illinois Institute of Technology, where he continues research in geo-spatial data visualization, network protocol optimization and mobile devices.? Jami has a Ph.D. in Computer Science from Illinois Institute of Technology.

More details at: http://www.chicagoacm.org/


Thanks,

Jonathan Tonkin 



      
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 14:50:12 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:50:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Thursday
Message-ID: <1DBD9189-CD5A-4754-9927-B5DB162E4693@gmail.com>

Thursday is the North meeting. Who is in? Who can present? The schedule is wide open.

-Brian



From tottinge at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 16:45:00 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:45:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <1DBD9189-CD5A-4754-9927-B5DB162E4693@gmail.com>
References: <1DBD9189-CD5A-4754-9927-B5DB162E4693@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin0D7dRF00jFvTOX4JDvkYHcQicaeS64gm49y3b@mail.gmail.com>

Color me there!  Do we have a location?

My book/deck is supposed to be released on thursday. If I get my courtesy
copies before then, I'll do a giveaway. It's on agile and software
practices, not specifically on Python, but at least it's swag.

Is anyone currently neck-deep in an open source project and wanting to
present.


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From tottinge at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 17:16:40 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:16:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin0D7dRF00jFvTOX4JDvkYHcQicaeS64gm49y3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1DBD9189-CD5A-4754-9927-B5DB162E4693@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin0D7dRF00jFvTOX4JDvkYHcQicaeS64gm49y3b@mail.gmail.com>
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Oops... was looking at wrong calendar week. Color me not there. Scheduling
conflict.
Apologies.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> Color me there!  Do we have a location?
>
> My book/deck is supposed to be released on thursday. If I get my courtesy
> copies before then, I'll do a giveaway. It's on agile and software
> practices, not specifically on Python, but at least it's swag.
>
> Is anyone currently neck-deep in an open source project and wanting to
> present.
>
>
> --
> -------------------------------------
> http://agileinaflash.com/
> http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
> http://tottinge.blogsome.com
>



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From carl at oddbird.net  Wed Jan 19 03:36:57 2011
From: carl at oddbird.net (Carl Meyer)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:36:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pip/virtualenv presentation for February?
Message-ID: <4D364E49.10809@oddbird.net>

Hi all,

I've had a talk accepted for PyCon this year entitled
"Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv."
(Full talk description here:
http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/). I'm interested in
giving a preview of the talk to some interested Pythonistas prior to
PyCon in order to refine it and gather feedback.

Is there any interest in this as an agenda item for the February 10
meeting? It is intended as an advanced-level talk digging into code
internals; I don't know if that's an appropriate level for ChiPy
presentations.

Carl

From chad at glendenin.com  Wed Jan 19 04:30:00 2011
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:30:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pip/virtualenv presentation for February?
In-Reply-To: <4D364E49.10809@oddbird.net>
References: <4D364E49.10809@oddbird.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvd0Tcz1fgW_qPHCseEn+YPEfZNHor=eV1cEG-@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds great! I've been using pip and virtualenv for a long time, but I've
never taken a deep look at their code. I did discover PIP_DOWNLOAD_CACHE by
poking around in there, though. :)

+1
 On Jan 18, 2011 9:07 PM, "Carl Meyer" <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've had a talk accepted for PyCon this year entitled
> "Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv."
> (Full talk description here:
> http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/). I'm interested in
> giving a preview of the talk to some interested Pythonistas prior to
> PyCon in order to refine it and gather feedback.
>
> Is there any interest in this as an agenda item for the February 10
> meeting? It is intended as an advanced-level talk digging into code
> internals; I don't know if that's an appropriate level for ChiPy
> presentations.
>
> Carl
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 04:30:42 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:30:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ( start_time(chiPyNorth) < hours(48) ) == True
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4Q2Xv=1Jc2bDn8VTQ29wt8KEX7XSorerTDqTc@mail.gmail.com>

Dear North-suburbanites:

I need your help JIT compiling the ChiPy North meeting this Thursday.  Who
wants to present?  We will have food (thanks to Paul May).

We are meeting at Textura on Lake Cook Road. This is close proximity to the
Lake Cook RD Milwaukee North Metra. Drop me your name and I will be sure
someone will pick you up. Car pool options from the loop also available on
this list.

I do not think it is a secret, last week's meeting was a huge success. Now
we really need to bring the love up North. This is a really cool venue. Who
can make it?

You do not want to miss this meeting. "Best ever," says ChiPy the chipmunk!

RSVP here:


https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA

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From chris at chrismoylan.com  Wed Jan 19 05:24:28 2011
From: chris at chrismoylan.com (Chris Moylan)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:24:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pip/virtualenv presentation for February?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvd0Tcz1fgW_qPHCseEn+YPEfZNHor=eV1cEG-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D364E49.10809@oddbird.net>
	<AANLkTikvd0Tcz1fgW_qPHCseEn+YPEfZNHor=eV1cEG-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1295411068.22047.1.camel@localhost>

I also think this talk sounds really cool. I use both of those programs
on a daily basis but don't know much about their internals or history.

On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 21:30 -0600, Chad Glendenin wrote:
> Sounds great! I've been using pip and virtualenv for a long time, but
> I've never taken a deep look at their code. I did discover
> PIP_DOWNLOAD_CACHE by poking around in there, though. :)
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2011 9:07 PM, "Carl Meyer" <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I've had a talk accepted for PyCon this year entitled
> > "Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and
> virtualenv."
> > (Full talk description here:
> > http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/). I'm interested in
> > giving a preview of the talk to some interested Pythonistas prior to
> > PyCon in order to refine it and gather feedback.
> > 
> > Is there any interest in this as an agenda item for the February 10
> > meeting? It is intended as an advanced-level talk digging into code
> > internals; I don't know if that's an appropriate level for ChiPy
> > presentations.
> > 
> > Carl
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From mattkemp at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 14:27:07 2011
From: mattkemp at gmail.com (Matthew Kemp)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:27:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pip/virtualenv presentation for February?
In-Reply-To: <1295411068.22047.1.camel@localhost>
References: <4D364E49.10809@oddbird.net>
	<AANLkTikvd0Tcz1fgW_qPHCseEn+YPEfZNHor=eV1cEG-@mail.gmail.com>
	<1295411068.22047.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AF92B4D6-4F37-42D3-9DC5-217B1693CE73@gmail.com>

+1

On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Chris Moylan <chris at chrismoylan.com>  
wrote:

> I also think this talk sounds really cool. I use both of those  
> programs
> on a daily basis but don't know much about their internals or history.
>
> On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 21:30 -0600, Chad Glendenin wrote:
>> Sounds great! I've been using pip and virtualenv for a long time, but
>> I've never taken a deep look at their code. I did discover
>> PIP_DOWNLOAD_CACHE by poking around in there, though. :)
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2011 9:07 PM, "Carl Meyer" <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've had a talk accepted for PyCon this year entitled
>>> "Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and
>> virtualenv."
>>> (Full talk description here:
>>> http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/). I'm interested in
>>> giving a preview of the talk to some interested Pythonistas prior to
>>> PyCon in order to refine it and gather feedback.
>>>
>>> Is there any interest in this as an agenda item for the February 10
>>> meeting? It is intended as an advanced-level talk digging into code
>>> internals; I don't know if that's an appropriate level for ChiPy
>>> presentations.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From dean at gianthead.net  Wed Jan 19 16:07:16 2011
From: dean at gianthead.net (Dean Sellis)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:07:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pip/virtualenv presentation for February?
In-Reply-To: <AF92B4D6-4F37-42D3-9DC5-217B1693CE73@gmail.com>
References: <4D364E49.10809@oddbird.net>
	<AANLkTikvd0Tcz1fgW_qPHCseEn+YPEfZNHor=eV1cEG-@mail.gmail.com>
	<1295411068.22047.1.camel@localhost>
	<AF92B4D6-4F37-42D3-9DC5-217B1693CE73@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=A8tEB-qtMzvZa9qGNeQQALGQVo5Yp1-4rY2P9@mail.gmail.com>

+1

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Matthew Kemp <mattkemp at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Chris Moylan <chris at chrismoylan.com> wrote:
>
>  I also think this talk sounds really cool. I use both of those programs
>> on a daily basis but don't know much about their internals or history.
>>
>> On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 21:30 -0600, Chad Glendenin wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great! I've been using pip and virtualenv for a long time, but
>>> I've never taken a deep look at their code. I did discover
>>> PIP_DOWNLOAD_CACHE by poking around in there, though. :)
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2011 9:07 PM, "Carl Meyer" <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've had a talk accepted for PyCon this year entitled
>>>> "Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and
>>>>
>>> virtualenv."
>>>
>>>> (Full talk description here:
>>>> http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/). I'm interested in
>>>> giving a preview of the talk to some interested Pythonistas prior to
>>>> PyCon in order to refine it and gather feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any interest in this as an agenda item for the February 10
>>>> meeting? It is intended as an advanced-level talk digging into code
>>>> internals; I don't know if that's an appropriate level for ChiPy
>>>> presentations.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 16:39:58 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:39:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN ChiPy-North Tonight at 7pm
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iZWkmHisbpwr3ttaDUP9cDjd43o8eEwuV=o+8@mail.gmail.com>

ChiPy North Meeting
-----------------------------

We already have a dozen RSVP'd for the second ChiPy *North* meeting.
This will be the best North meeting ever.  Food from Paul May. Drinks
provided. Just show up. This is going to be fun.

When:7 PM Thursday Jan. 20, 2011
Where: Textura
Address:

1405 Lake Cook Rd
Deerfield, IL 60015
map: http://bit.ly/fe4ANn

Topics:
  Using Celery (http://celeryproject.org/) to glue integrate HTTP
services -- Steve Schwarz


PLEASE RSVP:
   https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA


See you there!


About the group
---------------
ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python
knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers,
people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced
Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting.

Note that ChiPy is not a formal organization. We collect no dues,
elect no officers, and keep no roster. Signing up for the mailing list
carries no obligation. Nor does showing up at the meetings. Nor, at
least so far, does anything else we have done, although we always
appreciate it when our presenters show up. (They usually do!)

http://chipy.org
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Thu Jan 20 22:57:52 2011
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:57:52 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] ANN ChiPy-North Tonight at 7pm
Message-ID: <384286798191151@127.0.0.1>

Brian, I'm in for the best meeting ever..... ;-)
Paul

v 708.479.1111 
c 312.925.1294
Paul May & Associates (PMA)
paul at paulmayassociates.com 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates    
http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc 




----- Original Message ----- 
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
From: Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
Sent: 1/20/2011 9:39:58 AM
Subject: [Chicago] ANN ChiPy-North Tonight at 7pm


ChiPy North Meeting
-----------------------------

We already have a dozen RSVP'd for the second ChiPy *North* meeting.
This will be the best North meeting ever. Food from Paul May. Drinks
provided. Just show up. This is going to be fun.

When:7 PM Thursday Jan. 20, 2011
Where: Textura
Address:

1405 Lake Cook Rd
Deerfield, IL 60015
map: http://bit.ly/fe4ANn

Topics:
Using Celery (http://celeryproject.org/) to glue integrate HTTP
services -- Steve Schwarz


PLEASE RSVP:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA


See you there!


About the group
---------------
ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python
knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers,
people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced
Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting.

Note that ChiPy is not a formal organization. We collect no dues,
elect no officers, and keep no roster. Signing up for the mailing list
carries no obligation. Nor does showing up at the meetings. Nor, at
least so far, does anything else we have done, although we always
appreciate it when our presenters show up. (They usually do!)

http://chipy.org
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

(The following links were included with this email:)
mailto:paul at paulmayassociates.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates

http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc



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From maniabill at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 21 23:23:54 2011
From: maniabill at yahoo.com (Bill Mania)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:23:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Plug for ChiPy
Message-ID: <20110121222354.GQ19857@bill-desktop>

ChiPy got a plug on the west coast today.

My ROS presentation last week, handily recorded and published by
Carl, found its way back to Willow Garage, the maintainers of
ROS. One of the fellows instrumental in the creation of ROS, who
is a Willow Garage employee, watched the video and deemed it
worthy of mention on the ROS news page.

http://www.ros.org/news/

-- 
Bill Mania /'m? ??/
dum vivimus, vivamus!

From bentrofatter at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 19:58:35 2011
From: bentrofatter at gmail.com (Benjamin Trofatter)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:58:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Call for Roomies at PyCon 2011
Message-ID: <AANLkTimSJ=Grdu2Rq6Uh47Vdi+CesY7+WEkSA05jmWmF@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I have a feeling I'm not alone in being excited about PyCon, but I am
currently all alone in that I have no one to bunk with in Atlanta.  If
there's anyone who needs a roomie, or ideally several people (those Hyatt
Regency rooms aren't cheap), drop me a line.  Maybe we can work something
out.  I'll be there Friday morning through Tuesday night (so checking out on
Tuesday morning) if that makes any kind of difference to you.

Ben Trofatter
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From jongman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 20:45:53 2011
From: jongman at gmail.com (JongMan Koo)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:45:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Call for Roomies at PyCon 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimSJ=Grdu2Rq6Uh47Vdi+CesY7+WEkSA05jmWmF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimSJ=Grdu2Rq6Uh47Vdi+CesY7+WEkSA05jmWmF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinTQWGRo33xdth2KJonuGP1ufTCZx7X5OZLcaSv@mail.gmail.com>

Great, I'm in. But I'm only attending conference days and will be
there from Thursday night to Sunday afternoon.

Cheers
JongMan

2011/1/24 Benjamin Trofatter <bentrofatter at gmail.com>:
> Hey all,
>
> I have a feeling I'm not alone in being excited about PyCon, but I am
> currently all alone in that I have no one to bunk with in Atlanta.? If
> there's anyone who needs a roomie, or ideally several people (those Hyatt
> Regency rooms aren't cheap), drop me a line.? Maybe we can work something
> out.? I'll be there Friday morning through Tuesday night (so checking out on
> Tuesday morning) if that makes any kind of difference to you.
>
> Ben Trofatter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 21:15:35 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:15:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Call for Roomies at PyCon 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimSJ=Grdu2Rq6Uh47Vdi+CesY7+WEkSA05jmWmF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimSJ=Grdu2Rq6Uh47Vdi+CesY7+WEkSA05jmWmF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinDYxUJPb98e6ChoEhzQ2FPWDZnBAU4a8LX2ncA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:58, Benjamin Trofatter <bentrofatter at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I have a feeling I'm not alone in being excited about PyCon, but I am
> currently all alone in that I have no one to bunk with in Atlanta.  If
> there's anyone who needs a roomie, or ideally several people (those Hyatt
> Regency rooms aren't cheap), drop me a line.  Maybe we can work something
> out.  I'll be there Friday morning through Tuesday night (so checking out on
> Tuesday morning) if that makes any kind of difference to you.
>
> Ben Trofatter


You might want to keep an eye on
http://us.pycon.org/2011/tickets/room_sharing/ -- there's already a few
responses.


Additional plug: hurry up and register, early bird pricing ends tomorrow.
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 21:36:57 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:36:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PSF Sprints - Call For Applications
Message-ID: <AANLkTimswtuCQX0u7pEyW5d7fQbcACtAbrt7txxZKFd8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello ChiPy!

On behalf of the Python Software Foundation?s sponsored sprint group, I
wanted to drop your group a quick note introducing us. If you?re already
familiar with our sponsored sprints, you?ll be happy to know we made a few
changes to help both sprint groups and Python even more.

The PSF recently set aside funding to be distributed to groups who spend
time contributing to the Python ecosystem, often in the form of development
sprints. Our goal is to help you help Python, so whether it?s buying meals
or renting meeting space for your all-day hackathon, we have a budget set
aside to reimburse your expenses up to $300 (up from $250).
If your goal is to make the Python world a better place, and you work on the
problems facing Python today, we want to help you. We?re looking for groups
of hackers that spend their time fixing and expanding the wide variety of
Python interpreters, libraries, tools, and anything else affecting the
community.We?re also looking for groups who want to help and get started but
don?t have the resources to get together. Whether your group is separated by
a train ride or lacking a shared space, we want to help you. On-boarding new
contributors to open source Python projects is an especially important area
that we?d like to work with.This means if you have a Python project and you
want to sprint -- we want to help you.Some sprints we?ve sponsored include
the porting of Genshi to Python 3, improvements to packaging
(Distribute/distutils), and most recently, the PyPy winter sprint in
Switzerland.

If your group is interested in hosting a sprint, check out the full details
of our call for applications at http://www.pythonsprints.com/cfa/ and
contact us at sprints at python.org.

Thanks for your time, and happy sprinting!

Brian Curtin
Jesse Noller
http://www.pythonsprints.com/ <http://pythonsprints.com/>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 16:51:14 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:51:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Improve ChiPy
Message-ID: <AANLkTimA2Yy5KzTmQjWMGYLx34v-vbdSgs3HgBcTd7AR@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all:

While I am quite pleased with ChiPy the last six months or so, I am also
interested in your feed back on what can be done to improve. I noticed some
long time members not attending anymore. Could you please take this survey
and help us improve:

 http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ChiPy

Your feedback is important!

As always, feel free to post feedback to this list. I will share the results
here.

Cheers, Brian

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From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 17:01:41 2011
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:01:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PSF Sprints - Call For Applications
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimswtuCQX0u7pEyW5d7fQbcACtAbrt7txxZKFd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimswtuCQX0u7pEyW5d7fQbcACtAbrt7txxZKFd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinD-9S9YoxX54FOgbeKbvP=8zv0_qrpB2jtCF23@mail.gmail.com>

What happened to the PIL to Py3 sprint that was talked about at the
November meeting.  Was it, like the December meeting, the victim of
the holiday season? <insert graphic of scary santa>

On 1/27/11, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello ChiPy!
>
> On behalf of the Python Software Foundation?s sponsored sprint group, I
> wanted to drop your group a quick note introducing us. If you?re already
> familiar with our sponsored sprints, you?ll be happy to know we made a few
> changes to help both sprint groups and Python even more.
>
> The PSF recently set aside funding to be distributed to groups who spend
> time contributing to the Python ecosystem, often in the form of development
> sprints. Our goal is to help you help Python, so whether it?s buying meals
> or renting meeting space for your all-day hackathon, we have a budget set
> aside to reimburse your expenses up to $300 (up from $250).
> If your goal is to make the Python world a better place, and you work on the
> problems facing Python today, we want to help you. We?re looking for groups
> of hackers that spend their time fixing and expanding the wide variety of
> Python interpreters, libraries, tools, and anything else affecting the
> community.We?re also looking for groups who want to help and get started but
> don?t have the resources to get together. Whether your group is separated by
> a train ride or lacking a shared space, we want to help you. On-boarding new
> contributors to open source Python projects is an especially important area
> that we?d like to work with.This means if you have a Python project and you
> want to sprint -- we want to help you.Some sprints we?ve sponsored include
> the porting of Genshi to Python 3, improvements to packaging
> (Distribute/distutils), and most recently, the PyPy winter sprint in
> Switzerland.
>
> If your group is interested in hosting a sprint, check out the full details
> of our call for applications at http://www.pythonsprints.com/cfa/ and
> contact us at sprints at python.org.
>
> Thanks for your time, and happy sprinting!
>
> Brian Curtin
> Jesse Noller
> http://www.pythonsprints.com/ <http://pythonsprints.com/>
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 17:19:29 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:19:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PSF Sprints - Call For Applications
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinD-9S9YoxX54FOgbeKbvP=8zv0_qrpB2jtCF23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimswtuCQX0u7pEyW5d7fQbcACtAbrt7txxZKFd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinD-9S9YoxX54FOgbeKbvP=8zv0_qrpB2jtCF23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHKXZ3ncXUY-s5XyE9dLB8k3KL2JQ7qwa9Vhxw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:01, Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com> wrote:

> What happened to the PIL to Py3 sprint that was talked about at the
> November meeting.  Was it, like the December meeting, the victim of
> the holiday season? <insert graphic of scary santa>


Yeah, I think it was a victim of the timing. There were only two responses
as of a few days before the date it was going to happen, so I called it off.

I've wanted to try again but I've been bogged down by a lot of PyCon work
along with this PSF Sprints group, and that'll probably stay constant in the
run up to the conference. I'll try my hand at organizing something
post-PyCon, but probably not before.
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From malcolm.newsome at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 16:33:00 2011
From: malcolm.newsome at gmail.com (Malcolm Newsome)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:33:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Hello from a Newbie
Message-ID: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>

 

Hey All!

 

I'm new to Python (and programming in general) and looking to soak up as
much knowledge as possible while meeting some great people.  

 

If you have any cool advice or challenges for a beginner, please shoot them
my way!

 

All the best!

 

Malcolm

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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 17:41:15 2011
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:41:15 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Hello from a Newbie
In-Reply-To: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
References: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjJZoOQV9rQy0=fg6KF0GFkwWjB39sNw+pcCJu@mail.gmail.com>

This might sound like blatant promotion, so I'll keep it generic.  If you
get to
like Python enough to where you want some kind of certification or
credential in Python in particular (or MySQL, or Java...), check out
some of these for-credit sites.  Yes, most of them cost, though I expect
more OER stuff is coming.  Yes, this includes distance learning and
learn at your own pace.

http://www.pcworld
.com/article/216812/free_and_low_cost_tech_classes.html?tk=rss_news

In Chicago you're blessed with workshops by David Beazley, one
of the better Pythonistas out there, right up there with Wesley J. Chung.
Here in Portland (where I'm based, have only led one workshop in
Chicago **) we have Dylan Reinhardt* *and others, who teach Python
at community colleges and even an art school in one case (my
students have included teenagers as well as space scientists).

http://www.dabeaz.com/generators/
http://roadkill.com/~wesc/res1.html

Just saying, as a beginner you might aspire to a career in
teaching.  Join us on edu-sig perhaps (a community list,
frequented by some known Chicago-based Python
professors).

I might start in Python 3, master the basics, then pick up the
idiomatic changes for Python 2 in a day, learn to love the old
ways (since many times, that's what you'll be using, on into
2020 and beyond).

Kirby

** I joined ChiPy after Pycon / Chicago 2008 because it's
legendary and because I was going there for Pycon 2009.
I'm also on the Pinoy Python group and maybe some others.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Malcolm Newsome
<malcolm.newsome at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hey All!
>
>
>
> I?m new to Python (and programming in general) and looking to soak up as
> much knowledge as possible while meeting some great people.
>
>
>
> If you have any cool advice or challenges for a beginner, please shoot them
> my way!
>
>
>
> All the best!
>
>
>
> Malcolm
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 19:23:12 2011
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:23:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Hello from a Newbie
In-Reply-To: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
References: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinSSr+3GoaNJtOGeSkN76JdjuZdE_g6PO67Gycd@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Malcolm Newsome
<malcolm.newsome at gmail.com> wrote:
> I?m new to Python (and programming in general) and looking to soak up as
> much knowledge as possible while meeting some great people.

Hi Malcolm and welcome!

If you are brand new to programming then I highly recommend this free
book: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/index  However, if you already
have basic programming skills then you might want to look for
something more intermediate.

Programming is a lot of fun; you will soon become enamored with the
power to create software for yourself and others.  After a bit of
practice, you will only be bound by your imagination.

>
>
>
> If you have any cool advice or challenges for a beginner, please shoot them
> my way!
>
>
>
> All the best!
>
>
>
> Malcolm
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 20:36:06 2011
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:36:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Improve ChiPy
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimA2Yy5KzTmQjWMGYLx34v-vbdSgs3HgBcTd7AR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimA2Yy5KzTmQjWMGYLx34v-vbdSgs3HgBcTd7AR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknomzzJVVf43yo6so4pWwzA2321hEUXMwSUEfH@mail.gmail.com>

Which reminds me...Threadless is doing a lot of web development in Python
nowadays...we'd love to host a meeting here if you all are up for it.  We're
in the west loop now, at 1260 W. Madison.

Chris

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all:
>
> While I am quite pleased with ChiPy the last six months or so, I am also
> interested in your feed back on what can be done to improve. I noticed some
> long time members not attending anymore. Could you please take this survey
> and help us improve:
>
>  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ChiPy
>
> Your feedback is important!
>
> As always, feel free to post feedback to this list. I will share the
> results here.
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From orblivion at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 20:43:55 2011
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:43:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Improve ChiPy
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiknomzzJVVf43yo6so4pWwzA2321hEUXMwSUEfH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimA2Yy5KzTmQjWMGYLx34v-vbdSgs3HgBcTd7AR@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiknomzzJVVf43yo6so4pWwzA2321hEUXMwSUEfH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAZzeiP62+JPp=s7R1AkOD60JVUEqCRjk=j-NF@mail.gmail.com>

Is your new place as cool as your old place yet?

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Which reminds me...Threadless is doing a lot of web development in Python
> nowadays...we'd love to host a meeting here if you all are up for it.? We're
> in the west loop now, at 1260 W. Madison.
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> While I am quite pleased with ChiPy the last six months or so, I am also
>> interested in your feed back on what can be done to improve. I noticed some
>> long time members not attending anymore. Could you please take this survey
>> and help us improve:
>>
>> ?http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ChiPy
>>
>> Your feedback is important!
>>
>> As always, feel free to post feedback to this list. I will share the
>> results here.
>>
>> Cheers, Brian
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 20:47:02 2011
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:47:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Improve ChiPy
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimAZzeiP62+JPp=s7R1AkOD60JVUEqCRjk=j-NF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimA2Yy5KzTmQjWMGYLx34v-vbdSgs3HgBcTd7AR@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiknomzzJVVf43yo6so4pWwzA2321hEUXMwSUEfH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimAZzeiP62+JPp=s7R1AkOD60JVUEqCRjk=j-NF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=i=R4HkgOZcT34mkSNPm=b5GPrsTMT=sO5DNWA@mail.gmail.com>

Nope, it's a sea of lifeless cubicles and fluorescent lighting.*

Chris

* no it's not.  It's very bedazzled.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is your new place as cool as your old place yet?
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Which reminds me...Threadless is doing a lot of web development in Python
> > nowadays...we'd love to host a meeting here if you all are up for it.
> We're
> > in the west loop now, at 1260 W. Madison.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all:
> >>
> >> While I am quite pleased with ChiPy the last six months or so, I am also
> >> interested in your feed back on what can be done to improve. I noticed
> some
> >> long time members not attending anymore. Could you please take this
> survey
> >> and help us improve:
> >>
> >>  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ChiPy
> >>
> >> Your feedback is important!
> >>
> >> As always, feel free to post feedback to this list. I will share the
> >> results here.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Brian
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian Ray
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Mon Jan 31 17:10:55 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:10:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Hello from a Newbie
In-Reply-To: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
References: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUn9Re61Fn4OTgXAURoMsyOvvn+1V64mf_x_UF@mail.gmail.com>

If you haven't already, you might go through How to Think Like a Computer
Scientist <http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkCSpy/> (free
version on-web, or buy a hardcopy if you want).

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Malcolm Newsome
<malcolm.newsome at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hey All!
>
>
>
> I?m new to Python (and programming in general) and looking to soak up as
> much knowledge as possible while meeting some great people.
>
>
>
> If you have any cool advice or challenges for a beginner, please shoot them
> my way!
>
>
>
> All the best!
>
>
>
> Malcolm
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
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<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
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? LinkedIn
Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
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