From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Feb  1 22:24:30 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:24:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon road trip
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1jHJ0BYaA9kvq+Zo5C2CHBfM0Bf=xpS2b8eR8@mail.gmail.com>

I am driving down to PyCon along with 2 or 3 video crew. a 4th is
interested, but 3 in the back seat for 13 hours is no good.

I am also up for stopping at Mammoth Cave in KY, tour the cave, spend
the night, then drive to PyCon.

Anyone got a mini van that seats 15 or so?

-- 
Carl K

From carl at oddbird.net  Thu Feb  3 20:04:46 2011
From: carl at oddbird.net (Carl Meyer)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:04:46 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] pip/virtualenv presentation for February?
In-Reply-To: <AF92B4D6-4F37-42D3-9DC5-217B1693CE73@gmail.com>
References: <4D364E49.10809@oddbird.net>	<AANLkTikvd0Tcz1fgW_qPHCseEn+YPEfZNHor=eV1cEG-@mail.gmail.com>	<1295411068.22047.1.camel@localhost>
	<AF92B4D6-4F37-42D3-9DC5-217B1693CE73@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D4AFC4E.4000301@oddbird.net>

Hey all,

Got a few +1s (thanks!); I'm not sure how the "official" process happens
here... should I be planning on presenting this next week? Who's in
charge of putting together the actual agenda?

Thanks!

Carl

On 01/19/2011 08:27 AM, Matthew Kemp wrote:
> +1
> 
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Chris Moylan <chris at chrismoylan.com> wrote:
> 
>> I also think this talk sounds really cool. I use both of those programs
>> on a daily basis but don't know much about their internals or history.
>>
>> On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 21:30 -0600, Chad Glendenin wrote:
>>> Sounds great! I've been using pip and virtualenv for a long time, but
>>> I've never taken a deep look at their code. I did discover
>>> PIP_DOWNLOAD_CACHE by poking around in there, though. :)
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2011 9:07 PM, "Carl Meyer" <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've had a talk accepted for PyCon this year entitled
>>>> "Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and
>>> virtualenv."
>>>> (Full talk description here:
>>>> http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/). I'm interested in
>>>> giving a preview of the talk to some interested Pythonistas prior to
>>>> PyCon in order to refine it and gather feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any interest in this as an agenda item for the February 10
>>>> meeting? It is intended as an advanced-level talk digging into code
>>>> internals; I don't know if that's an appropriate level for ChiPy
>>>> presentations.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 20:14:36 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:14:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] pip/virtualenv presentation for February?
In-Reply-To: <4D4AFC4E.4000301@oddbird.net>
References: <4D364E49.10809@oddbird.net>
	<AANLkTikvd0Tcz1fgW_qPHCseEn+YPEfZNHor=eV1cEG-@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AF92B4D6-4F37-42D3-9DC5-217B1693CE73@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Carl Meyer <carl at oddbird.net> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Got a few +1s (thanks!); I'm not sure how the "official" process happens
> here... should I be planning on presenting this next week? Who's in
> charge of putting together the actual agenda?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carl
>
>
Probably me or Carl K. If you can't wait just put yourself on the wiki
http://chipy.org

It's official.

Thanks,


--Brian Ray
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 21:02:36 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:02:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Improve ChiPy
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=i=R4HkgOZcT34mkSNPm=b5GPrsTMT=sO5DNWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimA2Yy5KzTmQjWMGYLx34v-vbdSgs3HgBcTd7AR@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>wrote:

> Nope, it's a sea of lifeless cubicles and fluorescent lighting.*
>
> Chris
>
> Thanks Chris,

Threadless sounds great to me.

I think this month Carl has booked Thoughtworks. Can you confirm, Carl?

What about March at Threadless?


On a side note. our survey will show (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ChiPy)
we really like Sully's. BTW, everyone take the survey, I will share the
results next week :)


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From goodmansond at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 21:13:05 2011
From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:13:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon travel options
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=oQec27dfJOHtwZbrQcrikp-LnWCgUK-zLddZk@mail.gmail.com>

Before I book my flight I'd like to know of suggested alternative to
flying to Atlanta, such as a train or bus?

I recall there was an interesting charter bus option for PyOhio one
year. I'm in central WI but was expecting to fly out of Milwaukee or
Chicago.

Also, if anyone attended the Boardgames Social last year I'd like to
hear how it went off-list and what you might want different this year.
 Due to costs of travel need to be more selective and forward with
requests in the library.

Thanks,

Dean Goodmanson

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Feb  3 23:49:17 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 16:49:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Improve ChiPy
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxsDun_iMECnR2j-qvpjebD-5m636Dj_-S9v1p@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Nope, it's a sea of lifeless cubicles and fluorescent lighting.*
>>
>> Chris
>>
> Thanks Chris,
>
> Threadless sounds great to me.
>
> I think this month Carl has booked Thoughtworks. Can you confirm, Carl?

90% - waiting on conf from the guy that is waiting on conf from who knows what.

>
> What about March at Threadless?
>

March 10 is PyCon time, so I'll be there not here, so I have 0.0 care
about where it is.  Personally I would rather you guys postpone it
till I get back :)


>
> On a side note. our survey will show (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ChiPy)
> we really like Sully's. BTW, everyone take the survey, I will share the
> results next week :)
>
>
> -- Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From dean.sellis at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 14:38:36 2011
From: dean.sellis at gmail.com (Dean Sellis)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 07:38:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL
Message-ID: <8098E800-7D91-431F-8DBE-709A90FAAADF@gmail.com>

In the last North meeting there was a brief discussion on NoSQL datastores. If you're interested in more info I just got done listening to this NoSQL Smackdown with a good discussion about what NoSQL is. Also some discussion and various strengths and weaknesses of the different options.  Good info about Amazon S3 too. 
 
http://thechangelog.com/post/457259567/episode-0-1-8-nosql-smackdown

Dean 

From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Tue Feb  1 17:57:11 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:57:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Hello from a Newbie
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinSSr+3GoaNJtOGeSkN76JdjuZdE_g6PO67Gycd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinSSr+3GoaNJtOGeSkN76JdjuZdE_g6PO67Gycd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7dEF9FudVxQR8Y7LjrthUJMrtHUunJbvZFJmk@mail.gmail.com>

There were a couple of other links I was thinking of:

First, if you are interested in Python web programming, Django is among the
list of frameworks seriously worth considering. The Django
Book<http://djangobook.com/>is helpful.

Second, this is not on par with *any* of the other suggestions here, but I
wrote an introduction, Usability: the Soul of
Python<http://JonathansCorner.com/python/>.
It might be of a little use.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Malcolm Newsome
> <malcolm.newsome at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I?m new to Python (and programming in general) and looking to soak up as
> > much knowledge as possible while meeting some great people.
>
> Hi Malcolm and welcome!
>
> If you are brand new to programming then I highly recommend this free
> book: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/index  However, if you already
> have basic programming skills then you might want to look for
> something more intermediate.
>
> Programming is a lot of fun; you will soon become enamored with the
> power to create software for yourself and others.  After a bit of
> practice, you will only be bound by your imagination.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > If you have any cool advice or challenges for a beginner, please shoot
> them
> > my way!
> >
> >
> >
> > All the best!
> >
> >
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
? Jonathan Hayward, Author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and jQuery
<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
? Author Bio <https://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/jonathan-hayward>
? LinkedIn
Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux, MVC,
Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making websites a
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb  7 03:19:50 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:19:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Who's talking this week?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikzYqPVEvoZYjv_D=k4aTXgf2PwcBV51uob4ozS@mail.gmail.com>

Who can talk Feb 11?

It will be at
Thought Works
200 E Randolph St
25th Floor
Chicago, IL 60601-6501

I am pretty sure there is at least 1 person that wanted to talk,  if I
remembered who it was I would say "do you want to talk?" and wait for
a reply.   So forgive me for not remembering... just say "It was me,
yes/no."

Talks will be selected using the well tuned Last Minute Selection
Process:  Propose, get a +1 from someone, talk is accepted.

Announcement will go out Monday night assuming I have at least one
talk and get to it before I fall asleep.

So lets move people Go Go Go!

-- 
Carl K

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 05:17:17 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 22:17:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Who's talking this week?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzYqPVEvoZYjv_D=k4aTXgf2PwcBV51uob4ozS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikzYqPVEvoZYjv_D=k4aTXgf2PwcBV51uob4ozS@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

>
> I am pretty sure there is at least 1 person that wanted to talk,  if I
> remembered who it was I would say "do you want to talk?" and wait for
> a reply.   So forgive me for not remembering... just say "It was me,
> yes/no."
>
> I put down one talk, we need more:

http://chipy.org/
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb  7 06:07:39 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 23:07:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Who's talking this week?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinyzT=XcEPxHoGtrbtANmezzLg3GWh7FAdqutbx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikzYqPVEvoZYjv_D=k4aTXgf2PwcBV51uob4ozS@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am pretty sure there is at least 1 person that wanted to talk, ?if I
>> remembered who it was I would say "do you want to talk?" and wait for
>> a reply. ? So forgive me for not remembering... just say "It was me,
>> yes/no."
>>
> I put down one talk

"Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv."
-  Carl Meyer

Can I get a bit more of a description?  Mainly for those who don't
know what pip is, like most of the non python folks that get the
smamouncement.

, we need more:
>
> http://chipy.org/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 06:11:05 2011
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 00:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Who's talking this week?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimepgg4LpPmwKgjaJt4GRrFOzx78g8hX9QkGh_M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikzYqPVEvoZYjv_D=k4aTXgf2PwcBV51uob4ozS@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am pretty sure there is at least 1 person that wanted to talk,  if I
> >> remembered who it was I would say "do you want to talk?" and wait for
> >> a reply.   So forgive me for not remembering... just say "It was me,
> >> yes/no."
> >>
> > I put down one talk
>
> "Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv."
> -  Carl Meyer
>
> Can I get a bit more of a description?  Mainly for those who don't
> know what pip is, like most of the non python folks that get the
> smamouncement.
>
> , we need more:
> >
> > http://chipy.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/

Alex


-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall (summarizing Voltaire)
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From malcolm.newsome at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 18:35:25 2011
From: malcolm.newsome at gmail.com (Malcolm Newsome)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:35:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Hello from a Newbie
Message-ID: <010a01cbc6ed$69fd2e20$3df78a60$@gmail.com>

Thanks very much for the tips and resources!  I'm pumped!

I've been using a textbook:  Python Programming: An Introduction to Computer
Science (John Zelle), and I've found it to be EXTREMELY helpful.  I'll be
sure to check out the others you all have mentioned!

I'm excited at the prospect of being able to create software and web apps. I
love the thought of being bound "only by my imagination"...because I have a
pretty big one.  :-)

Thanks again!

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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb  7 19:15:01 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:15:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Who's talking this week?
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On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am pretty sure there is at least 1 person that wanted to talk, ?if I
>> >> remembered who it was I would say "do you want to talk?" and wait for
>> >> a reply. ? So forgive me for not remembering... just say "It was me,
>> >> yes/no."
>> >>
>> > I put down one talk
>>
>> "Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv."
>> - ?Carl Meyer
>>
>> Can I get a bit more of a description? ?Mainly for those who don't
>> know what pip is, like most of the non python folks that get the
>> smamouncement.
>>
>> , we need more:
>> >
>> > http://chipy.org/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/
>

Thanks, mate!

Last month someone offered to do something else on deploying - pretty
sure it involved one of the automated tools like Chef.  Anyone know
what I am talking about?


-- 
Carl K

From MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com  Mon Feb  7 19:52:50 2011
From: MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com (Maxwell Friedman)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:52:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL
In-Reply-To: <8098E800-7D91-431F-8DBE-709A90FAAADF@gmail.com>
References: <8098E800-7D91-431F-8DBE-709A90FAAADF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2849C066EDE5AC46BFC29A2F062516E0023D8A64@msex89.morningstar.com>

There is also a Chicago Cassandra users meet up happening later this
month if anyone is interested.

http://www.meetup.com/Cassandra-Chicago/

-Max

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[mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Dean Sellis
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM
To: chicago at python.org
Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL

In the last North meeting there was a brief discussion on NoSQL
datastores. If you're interested in more info I just got done listening
to this NoSQL Smackdown with a good discussion about what NoSQL is. Also
some discussion and various strengths and weaknesses of the different
options.  Good info about Amazon S3 too. 
 
http://thechangelog.com/post/457259567/episode-0-1-8-nosql-smackdown

Dean 
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From ryan.briones at brionesandco.com  Mon Feb  7 21:10:47 2011
From: ryan.briones at brionesandco.com (Ryan Briones)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:10:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL
In-Reply-To: <2849C066EDE5AC46BFC29A2F062516E0023D8A64@msex89.morningstar.com>
References: <8098E800-7D91-431F-8DBE-709A90FAAADF@gmail.com>
	<2849C066EDE5AC46BFC29A2F062516E0023D8A64@msex89.morningstar.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin67mKpfLL6s29WaQceaEQOtyMPcWdgcc0xCHm3@mail.gmail.com>

There's also a user group, ChicagoDB, that meets on the 3rd Monday of every
month since June of last year. Each month we read one data technology
whitepaper and have a presentation on some database tech. This month is
"BASE: an Acid Alternative" and "Hadoop/Hive". For more details see:

http://chicagodb.com

-- Ryan

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Maxwell Friedman <
MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:

> There is also a Chicago Cassandra users meet up happening later this
> month if anyone is interested.
>
> http://www.meetup.com/Cassandra-Chicago/
>
> -Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
> [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
> Behalf Of Dean Sellis
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL
>
> In the last North meeting there was a brief discussion on NoSQL
> datastores. If you're interested in more info I just got done listening
> to this NoSQL Smackdown with a good discussion about what NoSQL is. Also
> some discussion and various strengths and weaknesses of the different
> options.  Good info about Amazon S3 too.
>
> http://thechangelog.com/post/457259567/episode-0-1-8-nosql-smackdown
>
> Dean
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb  7 21:42:01 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:42:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin67mKpfLL6s29WaQceaEQOtyMPcWdgcc0xCHm3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8098E800-7D91-431F-8DBE-709A90FAAADF@gmail.com>
	<2849C066EDE5AC46BFC29A2F062516E0023D8A64@msex89.morningstar.com>
	<AANLkTin67mKpfLL6s29WaQceaEQOtyMPcWdgcc0xCHm3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimgzeKcDNCneYM2NOd31Jj+MN+a7mCiH2ivf3PD@mail.gmail.com>

Pass this on to that group:
http://blip.tv/file/4731135
"""
Dropping ACID: eating data in a Web 2.0 Cloud world

 Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. This
is part survey, part critique of the various Atomicity, Consistency,
Isolation and Durability models available from various modern
databases and data stores used in modern Web and Cloud environments.
We'll not just look at the single machine solution but how these
systems work in a distributed environment. We'll cover what happens
when N of your M machines running $software goes away. Is your data
still there? Do you care?
    We'll examine:
    ? Drizzle
    ? MySQL
    ? MySQL Cluster (NDB)
    ? PostgreSQL
    ? MongoDB
    ? CouchDB
    ? memcached
    ? Cloud Storage
    ? Cassandra
    ? what POSIX (doesn't) give us with file systems

"""
http://lca2011.linux.org.au/programme/schedule/view_talk/118


On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Ryan Briones
<ryan.briones at brionesandco.com> wrote:
> There's also a user group, ChicagoDB, that meets on the 3rd Monday of every
> month since June of last year. Each month we read one data technology
> whitepaper and have a presentation on some database tech. This month is
> "BASE: an Acid Alternative" and "Hadoop/Hive". For more details see:
> http://chicagodb.com
> -- Ryan
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is also a Chicago Cassandra users meet up happening later this
>> month if anyone is interested.
>>
>> http://www.meetup.com/Cassandra-Chicago/
>>
>> -Max
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
>> [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
>> Behalf Of Dean Sellis
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM
>> To: chicago at python.org
>> Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL
>>
>> In the last North meeting there was a brief discussion on NoSQL
>> datastores. If you're interested in more info I just got done listening
>> to this NoSQL Smackdown with a good discussion about what NoSQL is. Also
>> some discussion and various strengths and weaknesses of the different
>> options. ?Good info about Amazon S3 too.
>>
>> http://thechangelog.com/post/457259567/episode-0-1-8-nosql-smackdown
>>
>> Dean
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> --
> Ryan Carmelo Briones
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From ryan.briones at brionesandco.com  Mon Feb  7 21:45:26 2011
From: ryan.briones at brionesandco.com (Ryan Briones)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:45:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimgzeKcDNCneYM2NOd31Jj+MN+a7mCiH2ivf3PD@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8098E800-7D91-431F-8DBE-709A90FAAADF@gmail.com>
	<2849C066EDE5AC46BFC29A2F062516E0023D8A64@msex89.morningstar.com>
	<AANLkTin67mKpfLL6s29WaQceaEQOtyMPcWdgcc0xCHm3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimgzeKcDNCneYM2NOd31Jj+MN+a7mCiH2ivf3PD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=c3bwcDuH2bcMAN15n_jMzBKwGPQCUOdopLC5t@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome, thanks! Will do.

-- Ryan

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> Pass this on to that group:
> http://blip.tv/file/4731135
> """
> Dropping ACID: eating data in a Web 2.0 Cloud world
>
>  Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. This
> is part survey, part critique of the various Atomicity, Consistency,
> Isolation and Durability models available from various modern
> databases and data stores used in modern Web and Cloud environments.
> We'll not just look at the single machine solution but how these
> systems work in a distributed environment. We'll cover what happens
> when N of your M machines running $software goes away. Is your data
> still there? Do you care?
>    We'll examine:
>    ? Drizzle
>    ? MySQL
>    ? MySQL Cluster (NDB)
>    ? PostgreSQL
>    ? MongoDB
>    ? CouchDB
>    ? memcached
>    ? Cloud Storage
>    ? Cassandra
>    ? what POSIX (doesn't) give us with file systems
>
> """
> http://lca2011.linux.org.au/programme/schedule/view_talk/118
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Ryan Briones
> <ryan.briones at brionesandco.com> wrote:
> > There's also a user group, ChicagoDB, that meets on the 3rd Monday of
> every
> > month since June of last year. Each month we read one data technology
> > whitepaper and have a presentation on some database tech. This month is
> > "BASE: an Acid Alternative" and "Hadoop/Hive". For more details see:
> > http://chicagodb.com
> > -- Ryan
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Maxwell Friedman
> > <MAXWELL.FRIEDMAN at morningstar.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is also a Chicago Cassandra users meet up happening later this
> >> month if anyone is interested.
> >>
> >> http://www.meetup.com/Cassandra-Chicago/
> >>
> >> -Max
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org
> >> [mailto:chicago-bounces+maxwell.friedman=morningstar.com at python.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Dean Sellis
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM
> >> To: chicago at python.org
> >> Subject: [Chicago] NoSQL
> >>
> >> In the last North meeting there was a brief discussion on NoSQL
> >> datastores. If you're interested in more info I just got done listening
> >> to this NoSQL Smackdown with a good discussion about what NoSQL is. Also
> >> some discussion and various strengths and weaknesses of the different
> >> options.  Good info about Amazon S3 too.
> >>
> >> http://thechangelog.com/post/457259567/episode-0-1-8-nosql-smackdown
> >>
> >> Dean
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Carmelo Briones
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 09:51:37 2011
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 00:51:37 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Hello from a Newbie
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim7dEF9FudVxQR8Y7LjrthUJMrtHUunJbvZFJmk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinSSr+3GoaNJtOGeSkN76JdjuZdE_g6PO67Gycd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim7dEF9FudVxQR8Y7LjrthUJMrtHUunJbvZFJmk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=dEiYZ1BUJkUmGvYioNJkc04xLTP0uk8xFbE=Z@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Jonathan Hayward <jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
> wrote:

<< snip >>


> Second, this is not on par with *any* of the other suggestions here, but I
> wrote an introduction, Usability: the Soul of Python<http://JonathansCorner.com/python/>.
> It might be of a little use.
>
>
I've been enjoying your essay Jonathan, worked a link to it into an essay
earlier today FYI:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/synergeo/message/64906

Good writing about Python.

Kirby
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Feb  8 21:17:31 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:17:31 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy at ThoughtWorks Thu February 10, 7p
Message-ID: <20110208201731.17557.66745@localhost6.localdomain6>


ChiPy
=========================

When: 7 PM Thursday February 10, 2011
Where: ThoughtWorks - You need to RSVP to get past security, see link below.

This will be the best meeting ever.

Topics
------
 1. 7:00 Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv. (Carl Meyer)
 2. 7:45 Pizza (ThoughtWorks)
 3. 8:00 Python/Django deployment (Rohit Sankaran)

 
Details
-------

1. Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv. 
Carl Meyer
Pip[2] and virtualenv[3]: many use them; not so many understand just how they work their magic. If you're a pip/virtualenv user but haven't yet dared crack the lid (or you have, and found it a bit difficult to follow), come along for a fast-paced guided tour. Knowing these tools will help you make more effective use of them, and might also turn you into a contributor.

1 http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/
2 http://pip.openplans.org
3 http://virtualenv.openplans.org
 

2. Pizza 
ThoughtWorks
Local Tech shop wants to make sure we don't pass out from
starvation.  Return the favor by visiting http://ThoughtWorks.com


 

3. Python/Django deployment 
Rohit Sankaran
I'll introduce the WSGI ecosystem. We'll then setup a Django app and
deploy it to a VM. I'll cover server setup/config and best practices
and cover software used like Fabric, nginx etc. Sample nginx, wsgi and
apache configs will be provided. People can follow along and I'll
provide download links after so they can try it at home.
 


Location
--------
ThoughtWorks
200 E Randolph St
25th Floor
Chicago, IL 60601-6501

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=200+E.+Randolph+Street,+chicago&layer=&sll=12.97562,77.596951&sspn=0.096687,0.184708&ie=UTF8&z=16&om=1&iwloc=addr

Be on the guest list or building security will be sad.
http://chipy.org/FrontPage#sign-up


About the group
---------------
ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers, people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting.



From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Tue Feb  8 14:33:34 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 07:33:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Hello from a Newbie
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=dEiYZ1BUJkUmGvYioNJkc04xLTP0uk8xFbE=Z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006901cbc15c$24f1f5e0$6ed5e1a0$@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinSSr+3GoaNJtOGeSkN76JdjuZdE_g6PO67Gycd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim7dEF9FudVxQR8Y7LjrthUJMrtHUunJbvZFJmk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=dEiYZ1BUJkUmGvYioNJkc04xLTP0uk8xFbE=Z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikt0QFggQ4qvjqHXDwPeR6cCuRV=VG3zzbTCTg6@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:51 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Jonathan Hayward <
> jonathan.hayward at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> << snip >>
>
>
>> Second, this is not on par with *any* of the other suggestions here, but
>> I wrote an introduction, Usability: the Soul of Python<http://JonathansCorner.com/python/>.
>> It might be of a little use.
>>
>>
> I've been enjoying your essay Jonathan, worked a link to it into an essay
> earlier today FYI:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/synergeo/message/64906
>
> Good writing about Python.
>
> Kirby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


-- 
? Jonathan Hayward, Author, Django JavaScript Integration: AJAX and jQuery
<https://www.packtpub.com/django-javascript-integration-ajax-and-jquery/book>
? Author Bio <https://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/jonathan-hayward>
? LinkedIn
Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward> ?
jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, Django, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux, MVC,
Perl, PHP, Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making websites a
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 15:39:27 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:39:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2011 news - going strong, sign up today!
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5-5Zeo1SnfJAGRhmJbhCEmF1uhKiwNoQZV+fd@mail.gmail.com>

Hello group!

PyCon 2011 looks like it may very well break every single record in the past
-
making it one of the biggest and best PyCons of all time. We've gone all out
this year - including Extreme Talks, a Startup Row, amazing talks,
tutorials,
Poster sessions.

Extreme talks:
http://us.pycon.org/2011/speaker/extreme/
Startup Row:
http://us.pycon.org/2011/blog/2011/01/19/announcing-startup-row-pycon-2011/

Also just announced - "Startup Stories":
http://us.pycon.org/2011/blog/2011/02/07/pycon-2011-announcing-startup-stories/

If you haven't bought your PyCon tickets, it's time to do so. This year
we're
limited to 1500 attendees, and with a faster than average sales rate
compared
to previous years, you may not have the luxury of leaving registration until
just before the conference -- places may sell out in advance! Check out
http://us.pycon.org/2011/tickets/ for rates and details.

Not sold on the conference? Not sure what it's all about? We are confident
this
year's conference will surpass anything that has gone before, and we think
there's something for everyone.

Looking for education? This year's tutorial selection features a range of
topics and an all-star cast of presenters. From the cloud to the GUI, from
beginner to advanced, we have it. Check out courses taught by book authors
Wesley Chun and David Beazley, web framework master Jacob Kaplan-Moss, core
developer and guru Raymond Hettinger, hacker extraordinaire Zed Shaw and
many
more: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/tutorials/ -- and at flat fees that
wouldn't buy you an hour of training by less-qualified instructors
elsewhere!

The conference talks are some of the best we've seen in years, coming from a
record number of submissions. We've got talks on using Python for airplane
tuning and massive telescopes. All of the major web frameworks will be
discussed. Numerous databases are covered. PyPy, IronPython and Jython are
in.
We'll be talking about IDEs, testing, security, scalability, and
documentation.
Have a look: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/talks/

We've also got an amazing array of poster presentations - everything from
Arduino hacking, Geospatial Python, Open Government and Microsoft Kinect
hacking. Check out: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/posters/

Meanwhile we've got the awesome sprints  (http://us.pycon.org/2011/sprints/
),
and open spaces (http://us.pycon.org/2011/openspaces/) everyone knows and
loves.

This is shaping up to be the best PyCon yet, and we think it's a great
value,
both cost-wise, and community-wise. We can guarantee that you'll come away
with
a head full of knowledge and amazing new friends and contacts.

Get your tickets before they are gone: http://us.pycon.org/2011/tickets/

If you have any questions, comments or concerns - feel free to email Van
Lindberg (van at python.org) or Jesse Noller (jnoller at python.org) or
pycon-organizers (pycon-organizers at python.org).

See you in Atlanta,

Van Lindberg
Jesse Noller
The entire PyCon 2011 team
http://us.pycon.org/2011
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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Feb  9 22:40:15 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:40:15 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: ChiPy RSVP today for ThoughtWorks Thu February 10, 7p
Message-ID: <20110209214015.31087.32917@localhost6.localdomain6>



Sorry for the last minute spamy, but unlike previous meetings the RSVP list needs to be in tonight, so if you plan on attending, Get R Done now: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA  or on ChiPy.org if for some reason the goog link doesn't work.

And for those of you that missed it the first time:

ChiPy
=========================

When: 7 PM Thursday February 10, 2011
Where: ThoughtWorks - You need to RSVP to get past security, see link below.

This will be the best meeting ever.

Topics
------
 1. 7:00 Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv. (Carl Meyer)
 2. 7:45 Pizza (ThoughtWorks)
 3. 8:00 Python/Django deployment (Rohit Sankaran)

 
Details
-------

1. Reverse-engineering Ian Bicking's brain: inside pip and virtualenv. 
Carl Meyer
Pip[2] and virtualenv[3]: many use them; not so many understand just how they work their magic. If you're a pip/virtualenv user but haven't yet dared crack the lid (or you have, and found it a bit difficult to follow), come along for a fast-paced guided tour. Knowing these tools will help you make more effective use of them, and might also turn you into a contributor.

1 http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/198/
2 http://pip.openplans.org
3 http://virtualenv.openplans.org
 

2. Pizza 
ThoughtWorks
Local Tech shop wants to make sure we don't pass out from
starvation.  Return the favor by visiting http://ThoughtWorks.com


 

3. Python/Django deployment 
Rohit Sankaran
I'll introduce the WSGI ecosystem. We'll then setup a Django app and
deploy it to a VM. I'll cover server setup/config and best practices
and cover software used like Fabric, nginx etc. Sample nginx, wsgi and
apache configs will be provided. People can follow along and I'll
provide download links after so they can try it at home.
 


Location
--------
ThoughtWorks
200 E Randolph St
25th Floor
Chicago, IL 60601-6501

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=200+E.+Randolph+Street,+chicago&layer=&sll=12.97562,77.596951&sspn=0.096687,0.184708&ie=UTF8&z=16&om=1&iwloc=addr

Be on the guest list or building security will be sad.
http://chipy.org/FrontPage#sign-up


About the group
---------------
ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers, people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting.



From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 02:01:04 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:01:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2011 news - going strong, sign up today!
Message-ID: <AANLkTincHL3Zw7usv=kVr1Dd769jgkwpRsr=M3xT+_6o@mail.gmail.com>

Hello group!

PyCon 2011 looks like it may very well break every single record in the past
-
making it one of the biggest and best PyCons of all time. We've gone all out
this year - including Extreme Talks, a Startup Row, amazing talks,
tutorials,
Poster sessions.

Extreme talks:
http://us.pycon.org/2011/speaker/extreme/
Startup Row:
http://us.pycon.org/2011/blog/2011/01/19/announcing-startup-row-pycon-2011/

Also just announced - "Startup Stories":
http://us.pycon.org/2011/blog/2011/02/07/pycon-2011-announcing-startup-stories/

If you haven't bought your PyCon tickets, it's time to do so. This year
we're
limited to 1500 attendees, and with a faster than average sales rate
compared
to previous years, you may not have the luxury of leaving registration until
just before the conference -- places may sell out in advance! Check out
http://us.pycon.org/2011/tickets/ for rates and details.

Not sold on the conference? Not sure what it's all about? We are confident
this
year's conference will surpass anything that has gone before, and we think
there's something for everyone.

Looking for education? This year's tutorial selection features a range of
topics and an all-star cast of presenters. From the cloud to the GUI, from
beginner to advanced, we have it. Check out courses taught by book authors
Wesley Chun and David Beazley, web framework master Jacob Kaplan-Moss, core
developer and guru Raymond Hettinger, hacker extraordinaire Zed Shaw and
many
more: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/tutorials/ -- and at flat fees that
wouldn't buy you an hour of training by less-qualified instructors
elsewhere!

The conference talks are some of the best we've seen in years, coming from a
record number of submissions. We've got talks on using Python for airplane
tuning and massive telescopes. All of the major web frameworks will be
discussed. Numerous databases are covered. PyPy, IronPython and Jython are
in.
We'll be talking about IDEs, testing, security, scalability, and
documentation.
Have a look: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/talks/

We've also got an amazing array of poster presentations - everything from
Arduino hacking, Geospatial Python, Open Government and Microsoft Kinect
hacking. Check out: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/posters/

Meanwhile we've got the awesome sprints  (http://us.pycon.org/2011/sprints/
),
and open spaces (http://us.pycon.org/2011/openspaces/) everyone knows and
loves.

This is shaping up to be the best PyCon yet, and we think it's a great
value,
both cost-wise, and community-wise. We can guarantee that you'll come away
with
a head full of knowledge and amazing new friends and contacts.

Get your tickets before they are gone: http://us.pycon.org/2011/tickets/

If you have any questions, comments or concerns - feel free to email Van
Lindberg (van at python.org) or Jesse Noller (jnoller at python.org) or
pycon-organizers (pycon-organizers at python.org).

See you in Atlanta,

Van Lindberg
Jesse Noller
The entire PyCon 2011 team
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 15:46:30 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:46:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting next week
Message-ID: <AANLkTimjkKG5-HkpcBaJr6YOD7TiD3Jp29sCFLvhAoQK@mail.gmail.com>

Great meeting last night.... best eva!!!

Now, I want to start planning ChiPy North.  We need a venue, speakers,
and food ideas (sponsors).  The topic we decided is web development. I
think Dean said he wanted to present on something. Dean? Who else has
something exciting.

-- 

Brian Ray

From tottinge at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 16:48:44 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:48:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting next week
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimjkKG5-HkpcBaJr6YOD7TiD3Jp29sCFLvhAoQK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimjkKG5-HkpcBaJr6YOD7TiD3Jp29sCFLvhAoQK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimUpEX0M1Ro64sDx240iY6_y6E=OBTZzNznW+JQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll provide a promotional door prize, since my Agile In A Flash deck
is published now.  That is, if there is interest.





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http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
http://tottinge.blogsome.com

From tjurewicz at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 17:27:30 2011
From: tjurewicz at gmail.com (Trent Jurewicz)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:27:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting next week
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimUpEX0M1Ro64sDx240iY6_y6E=OBTZzNznW+JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimjkKG5-HkpcBaJr6YOD7TiD3Jp29sCFLvhAoQK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimUpEX0M1Ro64sDx240iY6_y6E=OBTZzNznW+JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xBYe2sc-2m2-R1rC-Y=oFnCA+r1XH5h6usD+R@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for door prizes!

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll provide a promotional door prize, since my Agile In A Flash deck
> is published now.  That is, if there is interest.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
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From lifestyleignition at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 17:44:05 2011
From: lifestyleignition at gmail.com (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:44:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting next week
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimjkKG5-HkpcBaJr6YOD7TiD3Jp29sCFLvhAoQK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimjkKG5-HkpcBaJr6YOD7TiD3Jp29sCFLvhAoQK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GRdkLx3_eM4i+ocd1-SwG1r1gJd2axf+ouU3B@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds awesome! My partner and I are very interested in attending this next
event.  We're currently having our startup web application built with
Python.  Is the for the event nailed down yet?  As for a venue, how big a
capacity are we looking for?

Mark

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great meeting last night.... best eva!!!
>
> Now, I want to start planning ChiPy North.  We need a venue, speakers,
> and food ideas (sponsors).  The topic we decided is web development. I
> think Dean said he wanted to present on something. Dean? Who else has
> something exciting.
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 18:10:24 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:10:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting next week
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GRdkLx3_eM4i+ocd1-SwG1r1gJd2axf+ouU3B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimjkKG5-HkpcBaJr6YOD7TiD3Jp29sCFLvhAoQK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=GRdkLx3_eM4i+ocd1-SwG1r1gJd2axf+ouU3B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=34V2NkB8Euxrmga4cn7CwJqSGUWQN8Cb0xEpG@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Mark Lawrence
<lifestyleignition at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds awesome! My partner and I are very interested in attending this next
> event. ?We're currently having our startup web application built with
> Python. ?Is the for the event nailed down yet? ?As for a venue, how big a
> capacity are we looking for?
> Mark
>

I expect 10-15 for the ChiPy North meeting. This is only our third
meeting so it is a little hard to tell. Can you host?

-- 

Brian Ray

From lifestyleignition at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 18:42:33 2011
From: lifestyleignition at gmail.com (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:42:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] North Meeting next week
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=34V2NkB8Euxrmga4cn7CwJqSGUWQN8Cb0xEpG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimjkKG5-HkpcBaJr6YOD7TiD3Jp29sCFLvhAoQK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=GRdkLx3_eM4i+ocd1-SwG1r1gJd2axf+ouU3B@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=34V2NkB8Euxrmga4cn7CwJqSGUWQN8Cb0xEpG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTika3-fXkpy4NPtjWb7VCaZJaEc_Ec0CMJjwExRN@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

I can host up north near Edens Plaza which is right off the Lake Ave highway
exit east of the highway.  We can discuss this on the phone.  773 519 5833.

Mark

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Mark Lawrence
> <lifestyleignition at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sounds awesome! My partner and I are very interested in attending this
> next
> > event.  We're currently having our startup web application built with
> > Python.  Is the for the event nailed down yet?  As for a venue, how big a
> > capacity are we looking for?
> > Mark
> >
>
> I expect 10-15 for the ChiPy North meeting. This is only our third
> meeting so it is a little hard to tell. Can you host?
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 22:35:41 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:35:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
Message-ID: <AANLkTinav=mov+oqT1kVZy7-bA=6pX9D+p_oO7=wMsJA@mail.gmail.com>

Good news, we found a venue and at least one presentation for this
Thursday's ChiPy North meeting. Check it out at http://chipy.org

We still need more presenters and some food ideas. Since we are still
a relatively small and manageable group, perhaps we should just say
chip in 5-10 bucks and I will pick something up. Your thoughts?

Looks like this is going to the best meeting ever.

-- 

Brian Ray
(773) 669-7717

From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 17:16:50 2011
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:16:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] Several items that may be of interest to group members
Message-ID: <392834.91069.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello,

While this may not be directly related to group topics, here are several items that may be of interest to group members.

1.) (shortest first) The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is now on Facebook and Twitter.? Join our Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59120137059) or follow us on Twitter (username:? chicagoacm).

2.)? Next ACM Meeting: February 16, 2011 

A joint meeting with the Loyola University Computer Science Department

Speaker: Munawar Hafiz

Topic: "Security-oriented Program Transformations (Or How to Add Security On Demand)"

Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 6:30 pm
5:30 pm -6:30 pm (Social Hour)

Loyola University Water Tower Campus (Chicago/Michigan Area)
820 N Michigan, Chicago IL 60611
Beane Ballroom (13th Floor, Lewis Towers)

Campus map: http://www.luc.edu/about/pdfs/wtc_may09.pdf 

Admission: Free (General Admission, No Reserved Seats)

Reservations:
To make a reservation, use this form:
(https://spreadsheets0.google.com/viewform?authkey=CMfKhKwO&hl=en&formkey=dDNFcnBHSzVUTmUwVERLa3JoeVpiOVE6MA&theme=0AX42CRMsmRFbUy0xYjMxYzlhMS0xZTM0LTRhNDEtOWI2Yi0yN2RkZWMxZWUzOGI&ifq)
or send an e-mail to greg at neumarke.net. 

About the Topic: 

Security experts generally believe that, ?security cannot be added on, it must be designed from the beginning.? My work shows that retrofitting security does not need to be a massive reengineering effort, nor does it need to be ad hoc.

Security solutions can be added through systematic, general purpose security-oriented program transformations. These transformations improve the traditional approaches of security engineering and keep software secure in the face of new security threats.

About the Speaker: 

Munawar Hafiz is a postdoctoral research associate at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC). His research interests are software architecture and design, software patterns, program transformations and security.


Thanks,

Jonathan Tonkin 



      
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From tottinge at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 17:22:50 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:22:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinav=mov+oqT1kVZy7-bA=6pX9D+p_oO7=wMsJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinav=mov+oqT1kVZy7-bA=6pX9D+p_oO7=wMsJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinqRwng+_HqH8tQ89+5ZTq9v9MPOFz1zTr0VeJH@mail.gmail.com>

Bummer. Thats not nearly north enough for us far-northerns. I can
get to Chicago more quickly and easily.  I am coming to give away
a door prize and meet my less-southern neighbors, but it's quite the
haul for me.

How far north are other northerners willing to go? Gurnee? Libertyville?
Round Lake? Fox Lake? Antioch? Maybe we can find something 'way
north or else start another splinter group?

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http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
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From ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com  Tue Feb 15 17:39:40 2011
From: ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com (Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.])
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:39:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinqRwng+_HqH8tQ89+5ZTq9v9MPOFz1zTr0VeJH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinav=mov+oqT1kVZy7-bA=6pX9D+p_oO7=wMsJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinqRwng+_HqH8tQ89+5ZTq9v9MPOFz1zTr0VeJH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D5AAC4C.5060709@contextualcorp.com>

Don't make location/timing changes on my account, because I can't make 
the meeting this Thursday (have something downtown) and will hopefully 
be on vacation next month, but for the future meetings, I'd love 
anything between Libertyville and Antioch, as I work out of Lake Villa 
(in between the two.)

I suspect Antioch is too far north to attract many people.  But...if we 
weren't opposed to ordering a few glasses of wine, I could probably get 
a favor from Catbridge Cellars in letting us use the 'long room' side of 
their store for our space, as I suspect they aren't too busy on a 
Thursday night.  They might also be fine with us ordering some 
appetizers from David's Bistro next door also.

Libertyville seems like a good, centralized location for a 
mid-Lake-County ChiPy meeting in my book, if we can find a spot to meet 
there.  If we find a spot downtown Libertyville, the folks from downtown 
Chicago (or anywhere along the line) could take a 60-minute train ride 
and walk a block or so from there.

For what it's worth, I've seen non-profit/volunteer groups meet at the 
Panera in Round Lake Beach.  They have a room with doors we could close 
during the meeting and they take/require reservations for that room.  I 
would think other Panera locations might have something similar.  I 
believe this Panera lacks plentiful power outlets, but they might have 
the meeting room setup with enough of them - I can look, if there is 
interest.

Grayslake has CLC - (Community) College of Lake County - and I would 
think this a) would be a great location in terms of outlets, wifi, etc., 
but I'm not sure what their policy/cost is for non-profits reserving a 
space.  Perhaps their CS department has an ACM chapter or some CS org 
for students we could coordinate with in order to not only reserve a 
room, but accidentally turn onto Python.

Anyone have contacts at CLC?  If we could work out a free arrangement, I 
think there are a lot of benefits of having it there, especially 
attracting new Python developers.

-Ken

On 2/15/11 10:22 AM, Tim Ottinger wrote:
> Bummer. Thats not nearly north enough for us far-northerns. I can
> get to Chicago more quickly and easily.  I am coming to give away
> a door prize and meet my less-southern neighbors, but it's quite the
> haul for me.
>
> How far north are other northerners willing to go? Gurnee? Libertyville?
> Round Lake? Fox Lake? Antioch? Maybe we can find something 'way
> north or else start another splinter group?
>

From jmwebstuff at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 18:13:35 2011
From: jmwebstuff at yahoo.com (Julie Bell)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:13:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] College of Lake County - Linux Users Group
Message-ID: <524471.45321.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I am currently starting a CLC Linux Club at College of Lake County.

The first meeting is Friday, March 4th. Time is still being decided somewhere between 6:30-8:30. Once the meeting is scheduled, I'll post an update.

I would not object to having some the meetings about Python, or a sub-group as long as we work with-in the boundries of College of Lake County. 
Just tossing ideas around, but maybe if there is enough interest, this club can have 2 meetings a month. One on general linux, and a 2nd one on python. 

If anyone is interested in helping with the Python part or being part of the CLC Linux Club,

I can be reached at:

jmbell at stu.clcillinois.edu

Julie Bell
CLC Linux Club 



      

From tottinge at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 18:45:18 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:45:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] College of Lake County - Linux Users Group
In-Reply-To: <524471.45321.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <524471.45321.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGOHBtDb=wFpBbZJzJBfHA2BrLoBC9=BACMnKq@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know what the rules are, so a little guidance would be greatly
appreciated:
* Will CLC allow us to have a chapter of ChiPy meet there?
* Could we have pizza/soda/beer?
* Would we have access to A/V equipment?
* Do we have to have CLC students as members in addition to community?

I think it would be a good location. Alternatively, we can look at
banquet rooms in local restaurants.

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From malcolm.newsome at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 15:24:59 2011
From: malcolm.newsome at gmail.com (Malcolm Newsome)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:24:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
Message-ID: <003801cbcde5$4d938730$e8ba9590$@gmail.com>

I will also say that I'm excited at the prospect of having a meeting in
Northern Lake County.  I live in Round Lake Beach, so any of the areas
previously discussed would be a bonus.

Depending on space requirements and preferences, a local library may also be
suitable.  They're often very happy to host non-profit groups at no charge
and typically have Wi-Fi and decent sized meeting rooms.

One caveat,  I'm brand new to Python (and programming in general) so, I
don't know how much input I'll actually have at the meetings.  I'm just
looking forward to being a part of this neat community!

Malcolm




From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 15:37:37 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:37:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikkEvvW_rDFy7_B4pNWwqfZ_7wee6uqgdkOrueS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003801cbcde5$4d938730$e8ba9590$@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikkEvvW_rDFy7_B4pNWwqfZ_7wee6uqgdkOrueS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik98W9avsZfeVAotk5s4dRbMimY2i5L1zoGUaK6@mail.gmail.com>

I am in RLB also. We should have coffee sometime. We have mundy &
libertyville folks.. how about an informal meetup close to home soon,
someplace with warm beverages?

On Feb 16, 2011 8:25 AM, "Malcolm Newsome" <malcolm.newsome at gmail.com>
wrote:

I will also say that I'm excited at the prospect of having a meeting in
Northern Lake County.  I live in Round Lake Beach, so any of the areas
previously discussed would be a bonus.

Depending on space requirements and preferences, a local library may also be
suitable.  They're often very happy to host non-profit groups at no charge
and typically have Wi-Fi and decent sized meeting rooms.

One caveat,  I'm brand new to Python (and programming in general) so, I
don't know how much input I'll actually have at the meetings.  I'm just
looking forward to being a part of this neat community!

Malcolm




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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Feb 16 15:47:32 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:47:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <003801cbcde5$4d938730$e8ba9590$@gmail.com>
References: <003801cbcde5$4d938730$e8ba9590$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZyM-VYpOTPw+m=b=MwGqF1t5XsoPT2o1GkjJA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Malcolm Newsome
<malcolm.newsome at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will also say that I'm excited at the prospect of having a meeting in
> Northern Lake County. ?I live in Round Lake Beach, so any of the areas
> previously discussed would be a bonus.
>
> Depending on space requirements and preferences, a local library may also be
> suitable. ?They're often very happy to host non-profit groups at no charge
> and typically have Wi-Fi and decent sized meeting rooms.

And a projector and screen, maybe built into the room so no setup.

>
> One caveat, ?I'm brand new to Python (and programming in general) so, I
> don't know how much input I'll actually have at the meetings. ?I'm just
> looking forward to being a part of this neat community!
>

One of the neat things about Python is the low entry point.  It
doesn't take much to understand what people are talking about, which
leads to questions, which leads to the discussions that make meetings
so much fun.

-- 
Carl K

From ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com  Wed Feb 16 16:09:04 2011
From: ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com (Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.])
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:09:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ZyM-VYpOTPw+m=b=MwGqF1t5XsoPT2o1GkjJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003801cbcde5$4d938730$e8ba9590$@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ZyM-VYpOTPw+m=b=MwGqF1t5XsoPT2o1GkjJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D5BE890.4080000@contextualcorp.com>

Agreed - a library would be a great location.  Does the one in RLB do 
such events?  I know the one in Lake Villa is what we've used for our 
home owner association meetings previously, and they hold events all the 
time.

That said, I'd still prefer to go a little further south to CLC in order to:

a) attract students, Linux enthusiasts and others into trying Python

b) keep things more centralized Lake County and make it easier for 
others to get to

We had an offer from Julie to try to do something coordinate with the 
Linux UG she is getting going there.  Seems like great cross-pollination 
to me and could help grow the group.

Thoughts?

-Ken

On 2/16/11 8:47 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Malcolm Newsome
> <malcolm.newsome at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> I will also say that I'm excited at the prospect of having a meeting in
>> Northern Lake County.  I live in Round Lake Beach, so any of the areas
>> previously discussed would be a bonus.
>>
>> Depending on space requirements and preferences, a local library may also be
>> suitable.  They're often very happy to host non-profit groups at no charge
>> and typically have Wi-Fi and decent sized meeting rooms.
> And a projector and screen, maybe built into the room so no setup.
>
>> One caveat,  I'm brand new to Python (and programming in general) so, I
>> don't know how much input I'll actually have at the meetings.  I'm just
>> looking forward to being a part of this neat community!
>>
> One of the neat things about Python is the low entry point.  It
> doesn't take much to understand what people are talking about, which
> leads to questions, which leads to the discussions that make meetings
> so much fun.
>

From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 18:41:27 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:41:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <4D5BE890.4080000@contextualcorp.com>
References: <003801cbcde5$4d938730$e8ba9590$@gmail.com>
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	<4D5BE890.4080000@contextualcorp.com>
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I'm told that CDW (right near a highway overpass) has a nice conference room
and doesn't mind hosting techies.  I've not contacted them, but it's a
possibility.
Anyone close enough to pop in and check?

tim
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 19:20:49 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:20:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN NO ChiPy North meeting this month
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=-FxKRv1jE3V_UKMukMdWMJGh0mvRGNyZXieij@mail.gmail.com>

There will be NO ChiPy North meeting tomorrow due to lack of participation.

I think we need to plan a bit more ahead for North meetings. We may
also consider holding North meetings every other month until we gain
more momentum.

We apologize for the inconvenience.  See you next month St Patrick's
Day March 17th.

Regards, Brian

From dean at gianthead.net  Wed Feb 16 20:00:39 2011
From: dean at gianthead.net (Dean Sellis)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:00:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik68CMWoBxce0D8MMekgJVZoCc5RyT7-O-=pVjJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003801cbcde5$4d938730$e8ba9590$@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ZyM-VYpOTPw+m=b=MwGqF1t5XsoPT2o1GkjJA@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, I work right next to CDW, and we know a few people that work there.  I
can check into that, but I'm also interested in the CLC option. The location
this month was too far south for me as well so anything we can do to get
something going further north here would be nice.  Our conference room at
Praxis is also always available for these meetings.

If libraries are an option, the Freemont Public library has some excellent
meeting rooms available:
http://www.fremontlibrary.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=192&Itemid=237


Regards,
Dean

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Tim Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm told that CDW (right near a highway overpass) has a nice conference
> room
> and doesn't mind hosting techies.  I've not contacted them, but it's a
> possibility.
> Anyone close enough to pop in and check?
>
> tim
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From lifestyleignition at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 21:22:15 2011
From: lifestyleignition at gmail.com (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:22:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN NO ChiPy North meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=-FxKRv1jE3V_UKMukMdWMJGh0mvRGNyZXieij@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-FxKRv1jE3V_UKMukMdWMJGh0mvRGNyZXieij@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1UifJJRN3=AY7dK6Vgx26mnDCm1=xC8cpr-5U@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

Was checking email on a friend's iphone before so couldn't write a lot.  I
might be able to host that day, but I am not sure.  I can let you know for
sure about that date sometime tomorrow.  It seems there were a lot of people
who wanted the event further north.  We live in the city, so it might be
better if we participate as speakers about Python and SpotHero at the
downtown event.  Otherwise we could either host it in Northfield, or attend
as speakers if it's not that far North.  Let me know what you think.

Mark

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> There will be NO ChiPy North meeting tomorrow due to lack of participation.
>
> I think we need to plan a bit more ahead for North meetings. We may
> also consider holding North meetings every other month until we gain
> more momentum.
>
> We apologize for the inconvenience.  See you next month St Patrick's
> Day March 17th.
>
> Regards, Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From steve at agilitynerd.com  Wed Feb 16 21:44:48 2011
From: steve at agilitynerd.com (Steve Schwarz)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:44:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN NO ChiPy North meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1UifJJRN3=AY7dK6Vgx26mnDCm1=xC8cpr-5U@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,
I'm all for the Northfield area for meetings, RLB is hard to get to from the
"near north" suburbs, especially right after rush hour(s). Although, if
people really want to move further North some place closer to I-94 would be
better from a driving perspective. I'm in Wheeling so Northfield, Deerfield
etc. couldn't be better for me.

Best Regards,
Steve
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On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Mark Lawrence
<lifestyleignition at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Was checking email on a friend's iphone before so couldn't write a lot.  I
> might be able to host that day, but I am not sure.  I can let you know for
> sure about that date sometime tomorrow.  It seems there were a lot of people
> who wanted the event further north.  We live in the city, so it might be
> better if we participate as speakers about Python and SpotHero at the
> downtown event.  Otherwise we could either host it in Northfield, or attend
> as speakers if it's not that far North.  Let me know what you think.
>
> Mark
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From tottinge at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 22:00:48 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:00:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN NO ChiPy North meeting this month
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin8pbT5zxzB_Vb+FCyuWYzJSBrmnqYNYcyCheeZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-FxKRv1jE3V_UKMukMdWMJGh0mvRGNyZXieij@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik1UifJJRN3=AY7dK6Vgx26mnDCm1=xC8cpr-5U@mail.gmail.com>
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Which train lines would people be on?

We could try to find something near Prairie Crossing, and that could
draw from two different lines.
I best several of us could taxi people in our vans.  I'd be happy to.

If it were off of 120 or 137 or 83 that might help too.

What are the good "arteries" for northerners?

Tim

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Steve Schwarz <steve at agilitynerd.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm all for the Northfield area for meetings, RLB is hard to get to from the
> "near north" suburbs, especially right after rush hour(s). Although, if
> people really want to move further North some place closer to I-94 would be
> better from a driving perspective. I'm in Wheeling so Northfield, Deerfield
> etc. couldn't be better for me.
> Best Regards,
> Steve
> Blogs:?http://agilitynerd.com/??http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
> Dog Agility Search:?http://googility.com/
> Dog Agility Courses:?http://agilitycourses.com/
> http://www.facebook.com/AgilityNerd
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Mark Lawrence <lifestyleignition at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Was checking email on a friend's iphone before so couldn't write a lot.? I
>> might be able to host that day, but I am not sure.? I can let you know for
>> sure about that date sometime tomorrow.? It seems there were a lot of people
>> who wanted the event further north.? We live in the city, so it might be
>> better if we participate as speakers about Python and SpotHero at the
>> downtown event.? Otherwise we could either host it in Northfield, or attend
>> as speakers if it's not that far North.? Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Mark
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From malcolm.newsome at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 23:01:26 2011
From: malcolm.newsome at gmail.com (Malcolm Newsome)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:01:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
Message-ID: <009e01cbce25$11b8d9f0$352a8dd0$@gmail.com>

@ Tim - an informal meetup would be great!  Especially since this month's
north meeting was canceled.  Someone mentioned Panera before...there are
plenty of those around.  What dates/times work for you all?  My
days/evenings are very flexible. Also, I know of someone that works at CDW
(or at least used to). I will check in with them.


@ken - I like the idea of CLC...makes complete sense.  Do we have a
consensus that we check there first?  I recently ran a workshop at Round
Lake Area Library and have started a good relationship with the Community
Outreach Coordinator there.  They also like to promote events to get the
community involved.   I need to check on their tech setup.  I'm certain
there are some other nice libraries around too.


@ carl -  I definitely learned a lot when I went the Chicago meeting last
week. I was  pretty cool to be able to glean some things from the discussion
even though I am new.  I'm excited and eager to learn more and more!




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From ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com  Wed Feb 16 23:27:50 2011
From: ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com (Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.])
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:27:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN NO ChiPy North meeting this month
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Maybe a few qualifying questions could help build consensus.

Where are people would be coming from after 5pm to attend a meeting?  
Or, is it better to be close to home for the return trip after a late 
meeting?

- How many would come by train, by car, by foot, by bike?

- Do we prefer one location centralized in Lake County (for starters, 
anyhow - others may want further west) ?
If centralized, I would think we'd want something in the 
Libertyville/Grayslake area.  Maybe CLC, a library, or does anyone live 
at Prairie Crossing and can possibly get info about reserving 'The Barn' 
for such an event?  It's walking distance from the PX train station.

- Or do we prefer alternating locations, even within the Northern ChiPy 
meetings schedule?
If alternating, maybe we could do CDW or something in Northfield one 
month, and then do RLB/Grayslake or even Lake Villa or Antioch for the 
northerly northern meeting.  Probably a library or CLC.


Libraries:
- I think Libertyville's is on Rt 21/ Milwaukee Ave, right?
- Not sure about Grayslake location
- RLB is the farthest west of towns mentioned and might take awhile to 
get to
- Lake Villa's is on Grand Ave / Rt 132
- Gurnee's is just 3-4 min from the Rt 120 tollway exit (north of 120 on 
O'Plaine)

CLC:
- Is between Rt 45 and 83, and between Rt 120 and Washington (main 
entrance on Washington, a 4-lane road); pretty easy to get to from about 
anywhere in the county.  People in Northfield/Wheeling area would have 
about 20-25 minute drive (up tollway or up Rt 83 or Rt 45); people in 
Antioch about 20-25 min also.

Other:
CDW - lower edge of what the far north people would probably want; Easy 
to get to from tollway, not from train.
Praxis - where is that?
Other?

Other thoughts about specific location prefs?  About alternating vs. static?

Personally, I'd attend regardless of alternating or one centralized 
location, but I would be driving and anything south of Rt 60 gets to be 
more difficult, but way better than the 2 hours it took to get down to 
last week's meeting downtown from up here (regardless of train vs. 
car).  Plus we won't have to pay for parking, in almost any case, so 
that's a bonus.


-Ken


On 2/16/11 3:00 PM, Tim Ottinger wrote:
> Which train lines would people be on?
>
> We could try to find something near Prairie Crossing, and that could
> draw from two different lines.
> I best several of us could taxi people in our vans.  I'd be happy to.
>
> If it were off of 120 or 137 or 83 that might help too.
>
> What are the good "arteries" for northerners?
>
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Steve Schwarz<steve at agilitynerd.com>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I'm all for the Northfield area for meetings, RLB is hard to get to from the
>> "near north" suburbs, especially right after rush hour(s). Although, if
>> people really want to move further North some place closer to I-94 would be
>> better from a driving perspective. I'm in Wheeling so Northfield, Deerfield
>> etc. couldn't be better for me.
>> Best Regards,
>> Steve
>> Blogs: http://agilitynerd.com/  http://tech.agilitynerd.com/
>> Dog Agility Search: http://googility.com/
>> Dog Agility Courses: http://agilitycourses.com/
>> http://www.facebook.com/AgilityNerd
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Mark Lawrence<lifestyleignition at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> Was checking email on a friend's iphone before so couldn't write a lot.  I
>>> might be able to host that day, but I am not sure.  I can let you know for
>>> sure about that date sometime tomorrow.  It seems there were a lot of people
>>> who wanted the event further north.  We live in the city, so it might be
>>> better if we participate as speakers about Python and SpotHero at the
>>> downtown event.  Otherwise we could either host it in Northfield, or attend
>>> as speakers if it's not that far North.  Let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Mark
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>

From dean at gianthead.net  Thu Feb 17 00:56:36 2011
From: dean at gianthead.net (Dean Sellis)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:56:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <009e01cbce25$11b8d9f0$352a8dd0$@gmail.com>
References: <009e01cbce25$11b8d9f0$352a8dd0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikFS9oGOi0HjJ9LdivBs0PkitwLSp06+O5Lphg1@mail.gmail.com>

I spoke with my neighbor that is on the CLC staff and he's going to talk to
his colleagues about possibly getting a sponsor for a group at CLC. If we
can get a staff sponsor we can use the facilities for free and get a few
other perks in the process. This could be in conjunction with Linux group or
in addition to it so I'd like to keep Julie in the loop on this too.

Dean

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Newsome
<malcolm.newsome at gmail.com>wrote:

> @ Tim - an informal meetup would be great!  Especially since this month's
> north meeting was canceled.  Someone mentioned Panera before...there are
> plenty of those around.  What dates/times work for you all?  My
> days/evenings are very flexible. Also, I know of someone that works at CDW
> (or at least used to). I will check in with them.
>
>
> @ken - I like the idea of CLC...makes complete sense.  Do we have a
> consensus that we check there first?  I recently ran a workshop at Round
> Lake Area Library and have started a good relationship with the Community
> Outreach Coordinator there.  They also like to promote events to get the
> community involved.   I need to check on their tech setup.  I'm certain
> there are some other nice libraries around too.
>
>
> @ carl -  I definitely learned a lot when I went the Chicago meeting last
> week. I was  pretty cool to be able to glean some things from the
> discussion
> even though I am new.  I'm excited and eager to learn more and more!
>
>
>
>
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From raghu.reddy at 3coresystems.com  Mon Feb 14 18:44:01 2011
From: raghu.reddy at 3coresystems.com (Raghu Reddy)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:44:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python requirements
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From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Wed Feb 16 16:16:25 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:16:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
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Welcome to both Python and programming! I hope this list is a good resource
to you.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Malcolm Newsome
<malcolm.newsome at gmail.com>wrote:

> I will also say that I'm excited at the prospect of having a meeting in
> Northern Lake County.  I live in Round Lake Beach, so any of the areas
> previously discussed would be a bonus.
>
> Depending on space requirements and preferences, a local library may also
> be
> suitable.  They're often very happy to host non-profit groups at no charge
> and typically have Wi-Fi and decent sized meeting rooms.
>
> One caveat,  I'm brand new to Python (and programming in general) so, I
> don't know how much input I'll actually have at the meetings.  I'm just
> looking forward to being a part of this neat community!
>
> Malcolm
>
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From jmwebstuff at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 17 05:29:18 2011
From: jmwebstuff at yahoo.com (Julie Bell)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:29:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikFS9oGOi0HjJ9LdivBs0PkitwLSp06+O5Lphg1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <408178.85152.qm@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

CLC - has lots of "little" rules that I am learning.? I think we are better off pooling our resources to be one club, with 2 meetings with different agendas, unless someone really want to start a Python group.

Here are some of the things I have learned so far. As I am totally new to running any club.

1. All meetings must be scheduled with Student Activities, and have 10 days to 2 weeks notice.
2. They need to have officers that are CLC students (1 credit hour counts as student).
3. They need an advisor at the meeting and for the club.
4. They need to have some sort of fundraiser to raise money for printing expenses and anything? else the "club" wants. 
5. Food at meetings can not be sponsored by club. 
6. The clubs don't normally meet during the summer, unless affiliated with some national group. (Need to verify)
7. A member needs to attend 1 monthly "budget" meetings with Student activities.
8. Yes, they have AV equipment, although if it works with Linux I have no clue.
9. Yes, they have wireless internet, but not available in all rooms. Some have weak signals.
10. Yes, they will help printing black/white but it comes out of the club's budget.

As much as I'd like to see a python group going, I don't have the time to work on it at the present time. If there is a CLC student who would like to head this group, I'll work with them.

I checked libraries. Grayslake is free, if you hold a Grayslake library card to reserve room. The information is on there web-site under meetings. They have a nice room, AV equipment, and some outlets. 

Fremont Library has study rooms for 8 and bigger rooms for more people. Don't know what the rooms look like, ie: power outlets, or other services. Need a Fremont Library card. They have $50.00 room deposit. You get it back. You can reserve up to 12 times per year, once per month.

I'm guessing other libraries have similar policies. You need to reserve the room X days in advance. Then afterward, those that wanted to, could get pizza.

I hope this helps in deciding on a "North" meeting place.


--- On Wed, 2/16/11, Dean Sellis <dean at gianthead.net> wrote:

From: Dean Sellis <dean at gianthead.net>
Subject: Re: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 5:56 PM

I spoke with my neighbor that is on the CLC staff and he's going to talk to his colleagues about possibly getting a sponsor for a group at CLC. If we can get a staff sponsor we can use the facilities for free and get a few other perks in the process. This could be in?conjunction?with Linux group or in addition to it so I'd like to keep Julie in the loop on this too.

Dean

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Malcolm Newsome <malcolm.newsome at gmail.com> wrote:

@ Tim - an informal meetup would be great! ?Especially since this month's

north meeting was canceled. ?Someone mentioned Panera before...there are

plenty of those around. ?What dates/times work for you all? ?My

days/evenings are very flexible. Also, I know of someone that works at CDW

(or at least used to). I will check in with them.





@ken - I like the idea of CLC...makes complete sense. ?Do we have a

consensus that we check there first? ?I recently ran a workshop at Round

Lake Area Library and have started a good relationship with the Community

Outreach Coordinator there. ?They also like to promote events to get the

community involved. ? I need to check on their tech setup. ?I'm certain

there are some other nice libraries around too.





@ carl - ?I definitely learned a lot when I went the Chicago meeting last

week. I was ?pretty cool to be able to glean some things from the discussion

even though I am new. ?I'm excited and eager to learn more and more!









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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Feb 17 22:32:21 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:32:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <408178.85152.qm@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTikFS9oGOi0HjJ9LdivBs0PkitwLSp06+O5Lphg1@mail.gmail.com>
	<408178.85152.qm@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <19805.37861.555972.649755@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Julie> CLC - has lots of "little" rules that I am learning.? I think we
    Julie> are better off pooling our resources to be one club, with 2
    Julie> meetings with different agendas, unless someone really want to
    Julie> start a Python group.  Here are some of the things I have learned
    Julie> so far. As I am totally new to running any club.

Sorry to be so thick-headed, but what is "CLC"?  I'm guessing "C-something
L-something College", but can't for the life of me think of suitable
replacements for "something".

Maybe I should just ask Watson. :-)

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/

From tottinge at gmail.com  Thu Feb 17 23:01:44 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:01:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <19805.37861.555972.649755@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <AANLkTikFS9oGOi0HjJ9LdivBs0PkitwLSp06+O5Lphg1@mail.gmail.com>
	<408178.85152.qm@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<19805.37861.555972.649755@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxQqfS9_KnaRbuov16gTjJDqSP8Bks+r98z+By@mail.gmail.com>

College of Lake County -- a surprisingly good community college.

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:32 PM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> ? ?Julie> CLC - has lots of "little" rules that I am learning.? I think we
> ? ?Julie> are better off pooling our resources to be one club, with 2
> ? ?Julie> meetings with different agendas, unless someone really want to
> ? ?Julie> start a Python group. ?Here are some of the things I have learned
> ? ?Julie> so far. As I am totally new to running any club.
>
> Sorry to be so thick-headed, but what is "CLC"? ?I'm guessing "C-something
> L-something College", but can't for the life of me think of suitable
> replacements for "something".
>
> Maybe I should just ask Watson. :-)
>
> --
> Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/
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From clydeforrester at gmail.com  Thu Feb 17 23:15:46 2011
From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:15:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy North Venue found
In-Reply-To: <19805.37861.555972.649755@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <AANLkTikFS9oGOi0HjJ9LdivBs0PkitwLSp06+O5Lphg1@mail.gmail.com>	<408178.85152.qm@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<19805.37861.555972.649755@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4D5D9E12.7000603@gmail.com>

skip at pobox.com wrote:
>     Julie> CLC - has lots of "little" rules that I am learning.  I think we
>     Julie> are better off pooling our resources to be one club, with 2
>     Julie> meetings with different agendas, unless someone really want to
>     Julie> start a Python group.  Here are some of the things I have learned
>     Julie> so far. As I am totally new to running any club.
> 
> Sorry to be so thick-headed, but what is "CLC"?  I'm guessing "C-something
> L-something College", but can't for the life of me think of suitable
> replacements for "something".
> 
> Maybe I should just ask Watson. :-)
> 
College of Lake County
http://www.clcillinois.edu

From mark at spothero.com  Thu Feb 17 23:18:17 2011
From: mark at spothero.com (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:18:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Loop Meeting Speaker Proposal
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDdacrjhd8QEPvXTh9S_+NtXTxFvMx9g7Hk5Yw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

It's Mark again from SpotHero.  Myself and Jeremy are two Chicago
Entrepreneurs currently working on our startup.  It's being coded in Python
and we have been working on it since September.  Shooting to go live in mid
April.  We would like to present from the business side of a startup using
Python.

SpotHero is an online parking application being built which allows someone
to rent out their parking spot to someone when they are not using it.
 Conversely, it allows somebody to rent it out temporarily when they are not
using it.  This can be for a sporting event, concert, festival, airport park
and ride, etc.

We would be willing to let those interested look at the code at the meeting
which is currently being pushed to github.

Let me know if this sounds interesting or if there is room for our
presentation.  Please feel free to ask any questions.  Either way, we're
looking forward to seeing you all there at the meeting.

Mark

-- 
Mark Lawrence
Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
http://spothero.com
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Feb 17 23:37:44 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:37:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Loop Meeting Speaker Proposal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDdacrjhd8QEPvXTh9S_+NtXTxFvMx9g7Hk5Yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikDdacrjhd8QEPvXTh9S_+NtXTxFvMx9g7Hk5Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAd2tEAjY+i1en0avkyiwpg5r=co9gu42E3iBV@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Mark Lawrence <mark at spothero.com> wrote:

> It's Mark again from SpotHero. ?Myself and Jeremy are two Chicago
> Entrepreneurs currently working on our startup. ?It's being coded in Python
> and we have been working on it since September. ?Shooting to go live in mid
> April. ?We would like to present from the business side of a startup using
> Python.


+1

I would appreciate something from the business side on why to use Python.

Also, I have reserved Sully's house for the March 10th meeting.

From nick.gart at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 07:37:56 2011
From: nick.gart at gmail.com (Nick Garthyan)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:37:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Loop Meeting Speaker Proposal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDdacrjhd8QEPvXTh9S_+NtXTxFvMx9g7Hk5Yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikDdacrjhd8QEPvXTh9S_+NtXTxFvMx9g7Hk5Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimN=Rto_mnZs5GQYa0ygRw1XUWuotQBofVAOt1C@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds interesting,
are you doing anything with python GIS/mapping frameworks?
If so, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Mark Lawrence <mark at spothero.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> It's Mark again from SpotHero.  Myself and Jeremy are two Chicago
> Entrepreneurs currently working on our startup.  It's being coded in Python
> and we have been working on it since September.  Shooting to go live in mid
> April.  We would like to present from the business side of a startup using
> Python.
>
> SpotHero is an online parking application being built which allows someone
> to rent out their parking spot to someone when they are not using it.
>  Conversely, it allows somebody to rent it out temporarily when they are not
> using it.  This can be for a sporting event, concert, festival, airport park
> and ride, etc.
>
> We would be willing to let those interested look at the code at the meeting
> which is currently being pushed to github.
>
> Let me know if this sounds interesting or if there is room for our
> presentation.  Please feel free to ask any questions.  Either way, we're
> looking forward to seeing you all there at the meeting.
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Lawrence
> Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
> http://spothero.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From mark at spothero.com  Fri Feb 18 17:37:36 2011
From: mark at spothero.com (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:37:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Loop Meeting Speaker Proposal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimN=Rto_mnZs5GQYa0ygRw1XUWuotQBofVAOt1C@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikDdacrjhd8QEPvXTh9S_+NtXTxFvMx9g7Hk5Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimN=Rto_mnZs5GQYa0ygRw1XUWuotQBofVAOt1C@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-bOq9DUBQ-R7iCtSbNwufc6h3wP_BsBoygw2C@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Nick,

Here's the components that spothero.com uses:

PostgreSQL database
postGIS extensions for geographic queries
Ubuntu linux
The python language
The WSGI protocol
Google maps API
javascript
jquery

As non-technical guys, our presentation would focus more on why we decided
to go with Python, how it's working for us.  Describe some of the
components.  Discuss payments systems integration and why we chose our
payment processor, how we interact with our programmer and out perspectives
from the business side, how we collaborate with our programmer and view and
understand what he does, what we do while the application is being
developed, along with anything else that someone can submit or ask us to
talk about beforehand.

Mark

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Nick Garthyan <nick.gart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds interesting,
> are you doing anything with python GIS/mapping frameworks?
> If so, I'd be interested in hearing about it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Mark Lawrence <mark at spothero.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> It's Mark again from SpotHero.  Myself and Jeremy are two Chicago
>> Entrepreneurs currently working on our startup.  It's being coded in Python
>> and we have been working on it since September.  Shooting to go live in mid
>> April.  We would like to present from the business side of a startup using
>> Python.
>>
>> SpotHero is an online parking application being built which allows someone
>> to rent out their parking spot to someone when they are not using it.
>>  Conversely, it allows somebody to rent it out temporarily when they are not
>> using it.  This can be for a sporting event, concert, festival, airport park
>> and ride, etc.
>>
>> We would be willing to let those interested look at the code at the
>> meeting which is currently being pushed to github.
>>
>> Let me know if this sounds interesting or if there is room for our
>> presentation.  Please feel free to ask any questions.  Either way, we're
>> looking forward to seeing you all there at the meeting.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> --
>> Mark Lawrence
>> Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
>> http://spothero.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>


-- 


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From malcolm.newsome at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 20:33:57 2011
From: malcolm.newsome at gmail.com (Malcolm Newsome)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:33:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Loop Meeting Speaker Proposal
Message-ID: <008101cbcfa2$cd694170$683bc450$@gmail.com>

Mark, I love the concept and the splash page looks great!

I'd love to hear your presentation.  I'm working on a web startup myself (I
need a developer to develop it) and need to learn as much as I can about the
process.   I'm planning to redevelop my site, www.gogreendeals.com, into a
daily deals platform similar to Groupon.  I also have some other ideas that
will bring in a social networking component.

Perhaps we can talk soon as well?

Malcolm


-----Original Message-----

Hey all,

It's Mark again from SpotHero.  Myself and Jeremy are two Chicago
Entrepreneurs currently working on our startup.  It's being coded in Python
and we have been working on it since September.  Shooting to go live in mid
April.  We would like to present from the business side of a startup using
Python.

SpotHero is an online parking application being built which allows someone
to rent out their parking spot to someone when they are not using it.
Conversely, it allows somebody to rent it out temporarily when they are not
using it.  This can be for a sporting event, concert, festival, airport park
and ride, etc.

We would be willing to let those interested look at the code at the meeting
which is currently being pushed to github.

Let me know if this sounds interesting or if there is room for our
presentation.  Please feel free to ask any questions.  Either way, we're
looking forward to seeing you all there at the meeting.

Mark 

-- 
Mark Lawrence
Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
http://spothero.com


From SRehman at instanttechnology.com  Fri Feb 18 21:46:42 2011
From: SRehman at instanttechnology.com (Salman Rehman)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:46:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python job openings
Message-ID: <9D293AFB9CC16549A23B65DA514F84EA1D6B671C17@ITFS02>

Hi Chicago Python Developers,

I am a IT recruiter and currently we came across couple of Jr to Sr level Python developers opportunities in Downtown Chicago. I have listed the job descriptions if anyone is interested please contact me. These are fulltime and C2H with great salary and benefits!

Marketing Company
Python/PHP Developer

Our client is looking for multiple senior and junior level PHP and/or Python Developers to join a creative, high-energy, and faced paced development team. They solve scalability problems, deal with large data sets and adopt best-of-breed technologies quickly. They value quality, reliable code and are open to new ideas and architectures. Communication and collaboration are essential.

Qualifications:
* Proficiency in web service creation and consumption
* Proficiency in Object Oriented Programming, particularly in the context of dynamic languages
* Familiarity with the Zend Framework (for PHP developers)
* Familiarity with the Django web Framework (for Python developers)
* Experience with jQuery, AJAX, CSS and HTML is a PLUS
* Experience with relational databases and object-relational mappers
* Interest in unit testing and functional testing is PREFERRED
* Willingness to work on legacy code
* Willingness to explore problem spaces, learn new technologies and collaborate closely with colleagues


Salman Rehman| Technical Recruiter
Instant Technology, LLC
200 West Adams #1440 | Chicago, IL | 60606
tel 312.582.2626|fax 312.546.5301
Srehman at instanttechnology.com<mailto:Srehman at instanttechnology.com>
http://www.linkedin.com/in/salmanrehman
www.instanttechnology.com<http://www.instanttechnology.com/>

Awards
* Women-owned Business Enterprise (WBE) - WBE National                    * Top 20 Best Places to Work in Illinois
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From lifestyleignition at gmail.com  Sat Feb 19 03:30:13 2011
From: lifestyleignition at gmail.com (Mark Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:30:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Loop Meeting Speaker Proposal
In-Reply-To: <008101cbcfa2$cd694170$683bc450$@gmail.com>
References: <AcvPosHvFVEJhhuHRsS8wB33dm2I9w==>
	<008101cbcfa2$cd694170$683bc450$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=c-K4yzx91S1PjLULsmAwung6tW7wWYxv4xnD9@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Malcolm! I just checked out your check and sent you a PM.  Talk to
you next week.

Mark

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Malcolm Newsome
<malcolm.newsome at gmail.com>wrote:

> Mark, I love the concept and the splash page looks great!
>
> I'd love to hear your presentation.  I'm working on a web startup myself (I
> need a developer to develop it) and need to learn as much as I can about
> the
> process.   I'm planning to redevelop my site, www.gogreendeals.com, into a
> daily deals platform similar to Groupon.  I also have some other ideas that
> will bring in a social networking component.
>
> Perhaps we can talk soon as well?
>
> Malcolm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Hey all,
>
> It's Mark again from SpotHero.  Myself and Jeremy are two Chicago
> Entrepreneurs currently working on our startup.  It's being coded in Python
> and we have been working on it since September.  Shooting to go live in mid
> April.  We would like to present from the business side of a startup using
> Python.
>
> SpotHero is an online parking application being built which allows someone
> to rent out their parking spot to someone when they are not using it.
> Conversely, it allows somebody to rent it out temporarily when they are not
> using it.  This can be for a sporting event, concert, festival, airport
> park
> and ride, etc.
>
> We would be willing to let those interested look at the code at the meeting
> which is currently being pushed to github.
>
> Let me know if this sounds interesting or if there is room for our
> presentation.  Please feel free to ask any questions.  Either way, we're
> looking forward to seeing you all there at the meeting.
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Lawrence
> Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
> http://spothero.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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http://www.lifestyleignition.com
Co-Founder SpotHero Inc.
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Feb 20 19:47:14 2011
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:47:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python job openings
In-Reply-To: <9D293AFB9CC16549A23B65DA514F84EA1D6B671C17@ITFS02>
References: <9D293AFB9CC16549A23B65DA514F84EA1D6B671C17@ITFS02>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1MiNXRCrn+XzRBPJGVrmVWJuCAOraEUg65_=A@mail.gmail.com>

What is the name of the company?

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
brianherman at acm.org








On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Salman Rehman <
SRehman at instanttechnology.com> wrote:

> Hi Chicago Python Developers,
>
>
>
> I am a IT recruiter and currently we came across couple of Jr to Sr level
> Python developers opportunities in Downtown Chicago. I have listed the job
> descriptions if anyone is interested please contact me. These are fulltime
> and C2H with great salary and benefits!
>
>
>
> Marketing Company
>
> Python/PHP Developer
>
> Our client is looking for multiple senior and junior level PHP and/or
> Python Developers to join a creative, high-energy, and faced paced
> development team. They solve scalability problems, deal with large data sets
> and adopt best-of-breed technologies quickly. They value quality, reliable
> code and are open to new ideas and architectures. Communication and
> collaboration are essential.
>
> Qualifications:
> ? Proficiency in web service creation and consumption
> ? Proficiency in Object Oriented Programming, particularly in the context
> of dynamic languages
> ? Familiarity with the Zend Framework (for PHP developers)
> ? Familiarity with the Django web Framework (for Python developers)
> ? Experience with jQuery, AJAX, CSS and HTML is a PLUS
> ? Experience with relational databases and object-relational mappers
> ? Interest in unit testing and functional testing is PREFERRED
> ? Willingness to work on legacy code
> ? Willingness to explore problem spaces, learn new technologies and
> collaborate closely with colleagues
>
>
>
>
>
> *Salman Rehman**| Technical Recruiter***
>
> *Instant Technology, LLC** ***
>
> *200 West Adams #1440 | Chicago, IL | 60606***
>
> *tel 312.582.2626**|**fax 312.546.5301*
>
> *Srehman at instanttechnology.com*
>
> *http://www.linkedin.com/in/salmanrehman*<http://www.linkedin.com/in/salmanrehman>
> **
>
> *www.instanttechnology.com*
>
> * *
>
> *Awards*
>
> * Women-owned Business Enterprise (WBE) - WBE National                    *
> Top 20 Best Places to Work in Illinois
>
> * Inc. 5000 Fastest Growing Companies in
> America                                     * Chicago?s 101 Best & Brightest
> Companies to Work For
>
> * Top 100 Human Resources Companies - Inc.
> Magazine                            * Inavero Institute Best of Staffing
> Honoree
>
> * Top 50 Businesses in Chicago - Inc. Magazine
>                                 * Influential Women in Business Honoree
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 23:43:17 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:43:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python 3.2
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xt38v8MHPeg6tf0O6Q_PUp6BXBzJp-+i+qWQv@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting to me:

 http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html



-- 

Brian Ray

From orblivion at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 00:56:43 2011
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:56:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python 3.2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=xt38v8MHPeg6tf0O6Q_PUp6BXBzJp-+i+qWQv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=xt38v8MHPeg6tf0O6Q_PUp6BXBzJp-+i+qWQv@mail.gmail.com>
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*Another* commandline parser?
On Feb 22, 2011 4:43 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting to me:
>
> http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Ray
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From maney at two14.net  Wed Feb 23 03:00:14 2011
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:00:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python 3.2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=xt38v8MHPeg6tf0O6Q_PUp6BXBzJp-+i+qWQv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=xt38v8MHPeg6tf0O6Q_PUp6BXBzJp-+i+qWQv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110223020014.GB16962@furrr.two14.net>

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 04:43:17PM -0600, Brian Ray wrote:
>  http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html

I haven't looked into the details of the 384 stable extension ABI, but
it and several of the other additions that all align in the direction
of admitting that there's not Just One Version are all good steps. 
Pity they're so late in arriving, and only in 3.someday - these things
have been problems since forever, or 1.5 anyway (when I first started
to rely on Python).

Speaking of 3.eventually, am I the only one who thinks this sounds like
a hell of a lot of work - especially if you're looking at trying to
keep the bifurcation going for a while?

http://initd.org/psycopg/articles/2011/01/24/psycopg2-porting-python-3-report/

In other news, Alex is proposing to have Django ported to Py3 as a SoC
project.  I wish him luck with that.

-- 
vi is a microcosm of the Unix world.  Don't expect
to learn all of it at once; perhaps you shouldn't expect
to learn all of it at all.  -- Jon Lasser (Think Unix)


From maney at two14.net  Wed Feb 23 02:40:35 2011
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:40:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python 3.2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim5t=3U+KthAy2qfwqHC0GhcTNVqs72PvLA1spA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=xt38v8MHPeg6tf0O6Q_PUp6BXBzJp-+i+qWQv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim5t=3U+KthAy2qfwqHC0GhcTNVqs72PvLA1spA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110223014035.GA16962@furrr.two14.net>

> On Feb 22, 2011 4:43 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 05:56:43PM -0600, Dan Krol wrote:
> >
> > http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html
> >
> *Another* commandline parser?

Hey, if it were easy to figure out which was the one obviously best
way, it wouldn't be so Zen.

-- 
A: Nope
Q: Is top posting alright?

From ctgaff at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 09:25:44 2011
From: ctgaff at gmail.com (Corey Gaffney)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:25:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python 3.2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim5t=3U+KthAy2qfwqHC0GhcTNVqs72PvLA1spA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=xt38v8MHPeg6tf0O6Q_PUp6BXBzJp-+i+qWQv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim5t=3U+KthAy2qfwqHC0GhcTNVqs72PvLA1spA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28A658F6-B415-48CC-A4CA-FE1BDBF319DE@gmail.com>


The last few years with Python have been a bit frustrating.  They have snuck quite a bit of 3.x upgrades in 2.7 as a test bed and have broken backward compatibility with many applications.    A lot of projects are recommending to stick with 2.6.  For example, Dabo (which I have experienced first hand, will NOT work with 2.7)  I wouldn't touch 3.x with a ten foot poll right now in production.  

IMO, stable python is 2.6.x.   I would stick with this until 3.x is not constantly changing and they merge (if ever) Unladen Swallow changes into 3.x. 

On the flip side, all of these change are a LOT better than a dying language.  So as long as you know where to park your production code it should all be good.  

Remember to resist the temptation to be bleeding edge, or you will bleed...

Just my 2 cents.  



On Feb 22, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Dan Krol wrote:

> *Another* commandline parser?
> 
> On Feb 22, 2011 4:43 PM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Interesting to me:
> > 
> > http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Brian Ray
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 16:27:37 2011
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:27:37 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Why isn't iPython part of the standard library?
Message-ID: <AANLkTiksFuygh-Vk957V5AP0NubPYWWzVQ2-njodzOqG@mail.gmail.com>

This conversation could be "why isn't [insert module] part of the standard
library?"

But...really...iPython is awesome.

Chris
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Feb 24 16:34:14 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:34:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Why isn't iPython part of the standard library?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiksFuygh-Vk957V5AP0NubPYWWzVQ2-njodzOqG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiksFuygh-Vk957V5AP0NubPYWWzVQ2-njodzOqG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=fT+9HLpGtC-U6GLT=WmpvAbs-wLW12+SivESz@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> This conversation could be "why isn't [insert module] part of the standard
> library?"
>
> But...really...iPython is awesome.

standard lib modules get locked into limbo: they are not allowed to
die, and they can no longer have active development: because new
features can't be added until there is a new python version.

and bPython is more awesomer.

-- 
Carl K

From tottinge at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 16:35:01 2011
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:35:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Why isn't iPython part of the standard library?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiksFuygh-Vk957V5AP0NubPYWWzVQ2-njodzOqG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiksFuygh-Vk957V5AP0NubPYWWzVQ2-njodzOqG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimysKWCr3RRcP+cOteGOn2pCHJg+asYmF1AC5TJ@mail.gmail.com>

Bpython is kinda cute, too.

On Feb 24, 2011 9:29 AM, "Chris McAvoy" <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:

This conversation could be "why isn't [insert module] part of the standard
library?"

But...really...iPython is awesome.

Chris

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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Feb 25 15:29:08 2011
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:29:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Why isn't iPython part of the standard library?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiksFuygh-Vk957V5AP0NubPYWWzVQ2-njodzOqG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiksFuygh-Vk957V5AP0NubPYWWzVQ2-njodzOqG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+e8B6-QprD=i2m6qRHYM8uO6evMmakMFneAET@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>wrote:

> This conversation could be "why isn't [insert module] part of the standard
> library?"
>
>
I blame readline!


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From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Feb 27 00:46:40 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 17:46:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] wtb: old lcds
Message-ID: <AANLkTinTKtw3upBXA7uJi9OtGYNgUt-48EvtJjH-ixo5@mail.gmail.com>

I need 5 old lcd monitors, smaller is better.

Extra points for close to Andersonville, and more points if you have
the box and foam packing materials.

Don't really want speakers, they won't be used and make it bigger.

So for those of you that have been meaning to haul it down to the
recycling drop off, not only will I pick it up but I will give you $20
too!

-- 
Carl K

From zitterbewegung at gmail.com  Sun Feb 27 21:04:01 2011
From: zitterbewegung at gmail.com (Joshua Herman)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:04:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Flourish Conference Mini Expo
Message-ID: <AANLkTiks+fhSJ0pof_dz0Y_NKfJ5SzSPk3Q5a54r=gb8@mail.gmail.com>

We understand that ChiPy has a prevailing image in the Chicago
tech community and we think it would be a great fit for Flourish
2011's mini expo, an event that will be part of Chicago's fifth annual
opensource conference, hosted by UIC-ACM and the Chicago LUG. This
conference, as you have well seen last year, will attract many
enthusiasts, educators, professionals, students, and entrepeneurs in
the Chicago community to get inspired and engaged within the larger
sphere of the open source community. This is why we'd be really
excited to see ChiPy to disseminate its involvement with open source
technologies.

Flourish is a bit earlier this year than in prior years. Flourish
Conference 2011 will be held on Friday, April 1st to Sunday, April
3rd. As usual, the event will be held at the University of Illinois at
Chicago. In addition to the mini-expo, this year's Flourish will host
excellent, open source related talks and workshops and a coding
sprint. More information can be found on our website:
http://www.flourishconf.com/.

Acquiring a mini-expo table for non-profit organizations is free.
Check out http://www.flourishconf.com/2011/miniexpo for more
information about how to sign up for one.

Thank you for your time. I hope that I will see you  at Flourish
Conference 2011.

Sincerely,

Joshua Herman

From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Feb 27 21:29:46 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:29:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Flourish Conference Mini Expo
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiks+fhSJ0pof_dz0Y_NKfJ5SzSPk3Q5a54r=gb8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiks+fhSJ0pof_dz0Y_NKfJ5SzSPk3Q5a54r=gb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbVww0GgSzuy=SA6tcN+0u4Kps_RvO18p2Dj7f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com> wrote:
> We understand that ChiPy has a prevailing image in the Chicago
> tech community and we think it would be a great fit for Flourish
> 2011's mini expo, an event that will be part of Chicago's fifth annual
> opensource conference, hosted by UIC-ACM and the Chicago LUG. This
> conference, as you have well seen last year, will attract many
> enthusiasts, educators, professionals, students, and entrepeneurs in
> the Chicago community to get inspired and engaged within the larger
> sphere of the open source community. This is why we'd be really
> excited to see ChiPy to disseminate its involvement with open source
> technologies.
>
> Flourish is a bit earlier this year than in prior years. Flourish
> Conference 2011 will be held on Friday, April 1st to Sunday, April
> 3rd. As usual, the event will be held at the University of Illinois at
> Chicago. In addition to the mini-expo, this year's Flourish will host
> excellent, open source related talks and workshops and a coding
> sprint. More information can be found on our website:
> http://www.flourishconf.com/.
>
> Acquiring a mini-expo table for non-profit organizations is free.
> Check out http://www.flourishconf.com/2011/miniexpo for more
> information about how to sign up for one.
>
> Thank you for your time. I hope that I will see you ?at Flourish
> Conference 2011.

ChiPy - I will be there doing video, so I can drive in left over PyCon
swag to give out if someone will be there to give it out.  Anyone up
for hanging out?  I suggest we do a mini sprint so you have something
to do when no one is talking to you, and when people come around you
can tell them about what you are working on which will be as cutting
edge and you can get.  People love that.  maybe discussing stuff with
them will help you work out problems.  Might slow you down too, but at
least you won't be bored.

Flourish has good food in the exhibit room.

If I can get someone to say they will be there I'll see about getting
a wad of stuff to give out.   like PyCon bags of swag, including
shirts.

-- 
Carl K

From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 16:00:16 2011
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:00:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Floursih Conference Mini Expo
Message-ID: <AANLkTim03EHZZ5+dPNLwZ_4fRU=T1CgvoqviT=kJ7Ai8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm interested in going and would be happy to pass out Pycon swag

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> We understand that ChiPy has a prevailing image in the Chicago
> tech community and we think it would be a great fit for Flourish
> 2011's mini expo, an event that will be part of Chicago's fifth annual
> opensource conference, hosted by UIC-ACM and the Chicago LUG. This
> conference, as you have well seen last year, will attract many
> enthusiasts, educators, professionals, students, and entrepeneurs in
> the Chicago community to get inspired and engaged within the larger
> sphere of the open source community. This is why we'd be really
> excited to see ChiPy to disseminate its involvement with open source
> technologies.
>
> Flourish is a bit earlier this year than in prior years. Flourish
> Conference 2011 will be held on Friday, April 1st to Sunday, April
> 3rd. As usual, the event will be held at the University of Illinois at
> Chicago. In addition to the mini-expo, this year's Flourish will host
> excellent, open source related talks and workshops and a coding
> sprint. More information can be found on our website:
> http://www.flourishconf.com/.
>
> Acquiring a mini-expo table for non-profit organizations is free.
> Check out http://www.flourishconf.com/2011/miniexpo for more
> information about how to sign up for one.
>
> Thank you for your time. I hope that I will see you  at Flourish
> Conference 2011.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshua Herman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:29:46 -0600
> From: Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Flourish Conference Mini Expo
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>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Joshua Herman <zitterbewegung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We understand that ChiPy has a prevailing image in the Chicago
> > tech community and we think it would be a great fit for Flourish
> > 2011's mini expo, an event that will be part of Chicago's fifth annual
> > opensource conference, hosted by UIC-ACM and the Chicago LUG. This
> > conference, as you have well seen last year, will attract many
> > enthusiasts, educators, professionals, students, and entrepeneurs in
> > the Chicago community to get inspired and engaged within the larger
> > sphere of the open source community. This is why we'd be really
> > excited to see ChiPy to disseminate its involvement with open source
> > technologies.
> >
> > Flourish is a bit earlier this year than in prior years. Flourish
> > Conference 2011 will be held on Friday, April 1st to Sunday, April
> > 3rd. As usual, the event will be held at the University of Illinois at
> > Chicago. In addition to the mini-expo, this year's Flourish will host
> > excellent, open source related talks and workshops and a coding
> > sprint. More information can be found on our website:
> > http://www.flourishconf.com/.
> >
> > Acquiring a mini-expo table for non-profit organizations is free.
> > Check out http://www.flourishconf.com/2011/miniexpo for more
> > information about how to sign up for one.
> >
> > Thank you for your time. I hope that I will see you ?at Flourish
> > Conference 2011.
>
> ChiPy - I will be there doing video, so I can drive in left over PyCon
> swag to give out if someone will be there to give it out.  Anyone up
> for hanging out?  I suggest we do a mini sprint so you have something
> to do when no one is talking to you, and when people come around you
> can tell them about what you are working on which will be as cutting
> edge and you can get.  People love that.  maybe discussing stuff with
> them will help you work out problems.  Might slow you down too, but at
> least you won't be bored.
>
> Flourish has good food in the exhibit room.
>
> If I can get someone to say they will be there I'll see about getting
> a wad of stuff to give out.   like PyCon bags of swag, including
> shirts.
>
> --
> Carl K
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From: LCation at instanttechnology.com (Laura Cation)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:47:26 -0600
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From jonathan.hayward at pobox.com  Sun Feb 20 01:22:11 2011
From: jonathan.hayward at pobox.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:22:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Windows end-of-line and Python
Message-ID: <AANLkTinY4tAuQZrNZ+1Wjt0Xd43fO0Jdup66XXyy9WBd@mail.gmail.com>

Today I was visiting with a friend and installing OSS on his computer. On an
x86_64 Windows 7 box, he had already installed Apache, and I installed
Python with a python.org installer. I opened up Notepad and created a "Hello
world" Python CGI script, put it in the cgi-bin directory, saw it crash, and
looked in the logs.

The log message complained that I had tried to "import cgi\r": in other
words, Python on Windows was choking because the file I made in Notepad used
"\r\n" for line breaks. (The equivalent script made with vim, and presumably
"\n" for line breaks worked predictably.)

Isn't it a defect/design flaw for Python on Windows to choke on
"\r\n"-separated files? Should I file a bug, or is this a side effect of
decisions that are now non-negotiable? (I wasn't thrilled, after trying to
sell my friend on the idea that Python is a good language with a low barrier
to entry, to find that it choked on a Notepad-edited "Hello world!" CGI
script.)

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