From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Mon Feb  1 22:11:07 2010
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:11:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Feb at Sullys, talks?
In-Reply-To: <549053141001300551w2bf91a8cm2480b8118a041985@mail.gmail.com>
	(Carl Karsten's message of "Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:51:56 -0600")
References: <549053141001300551w2bf91a8cm2480b8118a041985@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87zl3sek5w.fsf@dustycloud.org>

I originally said I was going to talk about XUDD, but I think I am going
to pull a switcheroo or skip talking altogether!  Again!  For the second
month in a row!

Unfortunately this month I got pulled into a rather significant
animation project.  It has sucked up 100% of my spare time, and it has a
short deadline.  The one cool thing about it though is that it involved
a lot of python scripting with the new blender bpy api.  Which is pretty
neat!  Like, really neat!

I gave a talk on Blender earlier but it was more of an intro to the
concepts of Blender, not scripting in Blender with Python itself.  If
people are interested in this, I can give a talk on it.

Otherwise I'm gonna skip out on talking this month!

 - cwebb

Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:

> This is going to be the best meeting yet.  Imaginary Landscape is
> going to sponsor pizza at Sully's.
>
> Who wants to talk?

From allanlesage at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 04:12:57 2010
From: allanlesage at gmail.com (Allan LeSage)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:12:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Feb at Sullys, talks?
In-Reply-To: <87zl3sek5w.fsf@dustycloud.org>
References: <549053141001300551w2bf91a8cm2480b8118a041985@mail.gmail.com>
	<87zl3sek5w.fsf@dustycloud.org>
Message-ID: <69ad11e41002011912h4afccfa3ga8e46b16bc56c415@mail.gmail.com>

A blender-python talk sounds fantastic, particularly if you're in the middle
of a rather significant animation project.  +1 but I don't wanna wreck your
production schedule.

Allan

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Christopher Allan Webber <
cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:

> I originally said I was going to talk about XUDD, but I think I am going
> to pull a switcheroo or skip talking altogether!  Again!  For the second
> month in a row!
>
> Unfortunately this month I got pulled into a rather significant
> animation project.  It has sucked up 100% of my spare time, and it has a
> short deadline.  The one cool thing about it though is that it involved
> a lot of python scripting with the new blender bpy api.  Which is pretty
> neat!  Like, really neat!
>
> I gave a talk on Blender earlier but it was more of an intro to the
> concepts of Blender, not scripting in Blender with Python itself.  If
> people are interested in this, I can give a talk on it.
>
> Otherwise I'm gonna skip out on talking this month!
>
>  - cwebb
>
> Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:
>
> > This is going to be the best meeting yet.  Imaginary Landscape is
> > going to sponsor pizza at Sully's.
> >
> > Who wants to talk?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 16:25:10 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:25:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 54, Issue 1
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+ 1 on a bpy talk, if that doesn't mess with your schedule.  I really
enjoyed the intro to blender talk.

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> I originally said I was going to talk about XUDD, but I think I am going
> to pull a switcheroo or skip talking altogether!  Again!  For the second
> month in a row!
>
> Unfortunately this month I got pulled into a rather significant
> animation project.  It has sucked up 100% of my spare time, and it has a
> short deadline.  The one cool thing about it though is that it involved
> a lot of python scripting with the new blender bpy api.  Which is pretty
> neat!  Like, really neat!
>
> I gave a talk on Blender earlier but it was more of an intro to the
> concepts of Blender, not scripting in Blender with Python itself.  If
> people are interested in this, I can give a talk on it.
>
> Otherwise I'm gonna skip out on talking this month!
>
>  - cwebb
>
> Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:
>
> > This is going to be the best meeting yet.  Imaginary Landscape is
> > going to sponsor pizza at Sully's.
> >
> > Who wants to talk?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:12:57 -0600
> From: Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Feb at Sullys, talks?
> Message-ID:
>        <69ad11e41002011912h4afccfa3ga8e46b16bc56c415 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> A blender-python talk sounds fantastic, particularly if you're in the
> middle
> of a rather significant animation project.  +1 but I don't wanna wreck your
> production schedule.
>
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Christopher Allan Webber <
> cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:
>
> > I originally said I was going to talk about XUDD, but I think I am going
> > to pull a switcheroo or skip talking altogether!  Again!  For the second
> > month in a row!
> >
> > Unfortunately this month I got pulled into a rather significant
> > animation project.  It has sucked up 100% of my spare time, and it has a
> > short deadline.  The one cool thing about it though is that it involved
> > a lot of python scripting with the new blender bpy api.  Which is pretty
> > neat!  Like, really neat!
> >
> > I gave a talk on Blender earlier but it was more of an intro to the
> > concepts of Blender, not scripting in Blender with Python itself.  If
> > people are interested in this, I can give a talk on it.
> >
> > Otherwise I'm gonna skip out on talking this month!
> >
> >  - cwebb
> >
> > Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:
> >
> > > This is going to be the best meeting yet.  Imaginary Landscape is
> > > going to sponsor pizza at Sully's.
> > >
> > > Who wants to talk?
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From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Tue Feb  9 01:05:37 2010
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:05:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Feb at Sullys, talks?
In-Reply-To: <69ad11e41002011912h4afccfa3ga8e46b16bc56c415@mail.gmail.com>
	(Allan LeSage's message of "Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:12:57 -0600")
References: <549053141001300551w2bf91a8cm2480b8118a041985@mail.gmail.com>
	<87zl3sek5w.fsf@dustycloud.org>
	<69ad11e41002011912h4afccfa3ga8e46b16bc56c415@mail.gmail.com>
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Anyone else interested in giving a talk, so that I'm not the only one?

Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com> writes:

> A blender-python talk sounds fantastic, particularly if you're in the
> middle of a rather significant animation project.? +1 but I don't
> wanna wreck your production schedule.?
>
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Christopher Allan Webber <cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:
>
>     I originally said I was going to talk about XUDD, but I think I am going
>     to pull a switcheroo or skip talking altogether! ?Again! ?For the second
>     month in a row!
>    
>     Unfortunately this month I got pulled into a rather significant
>     animation project. ?It has sucked up 100% of my spare time, and it has a
>     short deadline. ?The one cool thing about it though is that it involved
>     a lot of python scripting with the new blender bpy api. ?Which is pretty
>     neat! ?Like, really neat!
>    
>     I gave a talk on Blender earlier but it was more of an intro to the
>     concepts of Blender, not scripting in Blender with Python itself. ?If
>     people are interested in this, I can give a talk on it.
>    
>     Otherwise I'm gonna skip out on talking this month!
>    
>     ?- cwebb
>    
>     Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:
>    
>     > This is going to be the best meeting yet. ?Imaginary Landscape is
>     > going to sponsor pizza at Sully's.
>     >
>     > Who wants to talk?
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Feb  9 16:41:41 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:41:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
Message-ID: <549053141002090741u3174a40cm2d06fc4c27354a5f@mail.gmail.com>

Thurs is the meeting at Sully's. Chris is talking about using python
with blender.

I am super busy, may not be able to make it, but the free pizza is in
exchange for the video, so I have to make that happen, but I really
don't have time.   Anyone up for bailing me out?  I can loan you the
stuff and take care of the post processing.  It can split up:
1 person takes care of transporting the stuff down,
another can show up at Sully's and setup/record,
'nother tear down,
'nother takes it back to my place.

I'll be around on IRC/phone if anyone needs help.

-- 
Carl K

From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Tue Feb  9 18:23:34 2010
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:23:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
In-Reply-To: <549053141002090741u3174a40cm2d06fc4c27354a5f@mail.gmail.com>
	(Carl Karsten's message of "Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:41:41 -0600")
References: <549053141002090741u3174a40cm2d06fc4c27354a5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87fx5awcfd.fsf@dustycloud.org>

Maybe it would be better to do a social meeting instead, considering
this is right before pycon?  I am fine with procrastinating my talk.

Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:

> Thurs is the meeting at Sully's. Chris is talking about using python
> with blender.
>
> I am super busy, may not be able to make it, but the free pizza is in
> exchange for the video, so I have to make that happen, but I really
> don't have time.   Anyone up for bailing me out?  I can loan you the
> stuff and take care of the post processing.  It can split up:
> 1 person takes care of transporting the stuff down,
> another can show up at Sully's and setup/record,
> 'nother tear down,
> 'nother takes it back to my place.
>
> I'll be around on IRC/phone if anyone needs help.

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 19:08:48 2010
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:08:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] lightning talks!
Message-ID: <b571660a1002091008j76c081cy36c70583262c5a38@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all, Chris has upgraded his blender talk to LIGHTNING status (via
IRC) so that means we have room for six or more lightning talks at
Thursday's meeting.  Since we haven't done them in a while, here's the
deal.  (You probably know the deal.)  Lightning talks are *strictly*
five minutes long and thus you don't need to kill yourself preparing
for them.  This is also great for newbies since anyone can put
together a 5 min talk.  Chris used to make a thunder sound in case the
speaker goes over the time limit so maybe we can get Cosmin or someone
else to do that.

Who's got a lightning talk?  I'll sign up for one...

1. Using Python With Blender -- Christopher Allan Webber
2. Things That Really Suck About Google App Engine -- Kumar McMillan
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

(reply here and/or edit the wiki http://chipy.org/)

7 PM Thursday Feb 11, 2010
http://www.sullyshouse.com/ -- upstairs

Carl -- I think we can roll without video on this one (you are a champ
and deserve a vacation day).  Hey ChiPy list, this means you have to
be there on Thursday because it will be THE BEST MEETING EVER.

From chad at glendenin.com  Tue Feb  9 19:24:57 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:24:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
In-Reply-To: <87fx5awcfd.fsf@dustycloud.org>
References: <549053141002090741u3174a40cm2d06fc4c27354a5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fx5awcfd.fsf@dustycloud.org>
Message-ID: <191d03ff1002091024v58bc1c58l340cccad5d78a69c@mail.gmail.com>

That sounds OK -- it solves the video-recording problem and the
lack-of-presentations problem. But if it's an informal, social
meeting, is that going to hurt the turn-out? More to the point, is
somebody going to be on the hook with Sully's if not enough people
show up to buy food and drink?

ccg

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
<cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:
> Maybe it would be better to do a social meeting instead, considering
> this is right before pycon? ?I am fine with procrastinating my talk.
>
> Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:
>
>> Thurs is the meeting at Sully's. Chris is talking about using python
>> with blender.
>>
>> I am super busy, may not be able to make it, but the free pizza is in
>> exchange for the video, so I have to make that happen, but I really
>> don't have time. ? Anyone up for bailing me out? ?I can loan you the
>> stuff and take care of the post processing. ?It can split up:
>> 1 person takes care of transporting the stuff down,
>> another can show up at Sully's and setup/record,
>> 'nother tear down,
>> 'nother takes it back to my place.
>>
>> I'll be around on IRC/phone if anyone needs help.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From jrhuggins at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 20:46:50 2010
From: jrhuggins at gmail.com (Jason Huggins)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:46:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <b571660a1002091008j76c081cy36c70583262c5a38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b571660a1002091008j76c081cy36c70583262c5a38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53b9568a1002091146m74401e04u1ad727832d272c36@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Who's got a lightning talk? ?I'll sign up for one...
...
> (reply here and/or edit the wiki http://chipy.org/)

Me! Me! Me!

3. Recording automated screencasts with Castro
( http://pypi.python.org/pypi/castro/1.0.4
Screencasting + Test Automation = "Screentest" (like Doctest, but with video)

-jason

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 21:39:27 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:39:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <b571660a1002091008j76c081cy36c70583262c5a38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b571660a1002091008j76c081cy36c70583262c5a38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053141002091239t7c3a8f37jfb17d33826c937eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all, Chris has upgraded his blender talk to LIGHTNING status (via
> IRC) so that means we have room for six or more lightning talks at
> Thursday's meeting. ?Since we haven't done them in a while, here's the
> deal. ?(You probably know the deal.) ?Lightning talks are *strictly*
> five minutes long and thus you don't need to kill yourself preparing
> for them. ?This is also great for newbies since anyone can put
> together a 5 min talk. ?Chris used to make a thunder sound in case the
> speaker goes over the time limit so maybe we can get Cosmin or someone
> else to do that.
>
> Who's got a lightning talk? ?I'll sign up for one...
>
> 1. Using Python With Blender -- Christopher Allan Webber
> 2. Things That Really Suck About Google App Engine -- Kumar McMillan
> 3.
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
>
> (reply here and/or edit the wiki http://chipy.org/)
>
> 7 PM Thursday Feb 11, 2010
> http://www.sullyshouse.com/ -- upstairs
>
> Carl -- I think we can roll without video on this one (you are a champ
> and deserve a vacation day).

I got Imaginary Landscape to spend $200 on pizza for us in exchange
for putting their logo on the videos.  So I am kinda obligated.  If
someone will work it out with them that it isn't going to happen this
month, that would be great.  I called and left a message, waiting to
hear back from them.


> Hey ChiPy list, this means you have to
> be there on Thursday because it will be THE BEST MEETING EVER.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From thatmattbone at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 03:04:55 2010
From: thatmattbone at gmail.com (Matt Bone)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:04:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] lightning talks!
In-Reply-To: <549053141002091239t7c3a8f37jfb17d33826c937eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b571660a1002091008j76c081cy36c70583262c5a38@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053141002091239t7c3a8f37jfb17d33826c937eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfbf29b01002091804w36bf4295g38c0d7e4be7d27d6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm signing up for a talk on a tiny little wiki I built with
mercurial, docutils and itty.  It's nothing special, but it's kind of
a neat little smushing together of three cool tools.

--matt

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Kumar McMillan
> <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey all, Chris has upgraded his blender talk to LIGHTNING status (via
>> IRC) so that means we have room for six or more lightning talks at
>> Thursday's meeting. ?Since we haven't done them in a while, here's the
>> deal. ?(You probably know the deal.) ?Lightning talks are *strictly*
>> five minutes long and thus you don't need to kill yourself preparing
>> for them. ?This is also great for newbies since anyone can put
>> together a 5 min talk. ?Chris used to make a thunder sound in case the
>> speaker goes over the time limit so maybe we can get Cosmin or someone
>> else to do that.
>>
>> Who's got a lightning talk? ?I'll sign up for one...
>>
>> 1. Using Python With Blender -- Christopher Allan Webber
>> 2. Things That Really Suck About Google App Engine -- Kumar McMillan
>> 3.
>> 4.
>> 5.
>> 6.
>> 7.
>> 8.
>>
>> (reply here and/or edit the wiki http://chipy.org/)
>>
>> 7 PM Thursday Feb 11, 2010
>> http://www.sullyshouse.com/ -- upstairs
>>
>> Carl -- I think we can roll without video on this one (you are a champ
>> and deserve a vacation day).
>
> I got Imaginary Landscape to spend $200 on pizza for us in exchange
> for putting their logo on the videos. ?So I am kinda obligated. ?If
> someone will work it out with them that it isn't going to happen this
> month, that would be great. ?I called and left a message, waiting to
> hear back from them.
>
>
>> Hey ChiPy list, this means you have to
>> be there on Thursday because it will be THE BEST MEETING EVER.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From allanlesage at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 05:42:09 2010
From: allanlesage at gmail.com (Allan LeSage)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:42:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
In-Reply-To: <191d03ff1002091024v58bc1c58l340cccad5d78a69c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549053141002090741u3174a40cm2d06fc4c27354a5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fx5awcfd.fsf@dustycloud.org>
	<191d03ff1002091024v58bc1c58l340cccad5d78a69c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69ad11e41002092042x2b41f18ci58016ad3640c1465@mail.gmail.com>

Actually having chimed in for the animation talk, I've discovered that I'm
responsible for shepherding some folks through tha Chi that evening--however
I promise to contribute if/when the talk happens in the future at the best
meeting ever, etc. . . .

Allan

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:

> That sounds OK -- it solves the video-recording problem and the
> lack-of-presentations problem. But if it's an informal, social
> meeting, is that going to hurt the turn-out? More to the point, is
> somebody going to be on the hook with Sully's if not enough people
> show up to buy food and drink?
>
> ccg
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
> <cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:
> > Maybe it would be better to do a social meeting instead, considering
> > this is right before pycon?  I am fine with procrastinating my talk.
> >
> > Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:
> >
> >> Thurs is the meeting at Sully's. Chris is talking about using python
> >> with blender.
> >>
> >> I am super busy, may not be able to make it, but the free pizza is in
> >> exchange for the video, so I have to make that happen, but I really
> >> don't have time.   Anyone up for bailing me out?  I can loan you the
> >> stuff and take care of the post processing.  It can split up:
> >> 1 person takes care of transporting the stuff down,
> >> another can show up at Sully's and setup/record,
> >> 'nother tear down,
> >> 'nother takes it back to my place.
> >>
> >> I'll be around on IRC/phone if anyone needs help.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From mandric at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 18:58:37 2010
From: mandric at gmail.com (Milan Andric)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:58:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] deploying to the cloud
Message-ID: <536089f31002100958h3e57d85cr5a64d3b49c604062@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone used libcloud or toppcloud?  I'd be interested in learning
more about any of the stuff Ian is working on for that matter.  I am
working on automating deployment here at work and have yet to tap into
any of this great stuff.   Also, libcloud is in early development so
maybe those of us who find it useful can contribute.

I for one would greatly benefit from a solution to deployment for php
and python web applications to linux cloud providers.   The solution I
am imagining is one that works similar to google app engine where you
press a button essentially and deploy a new version.  This could be a
desktop app or even a web application that runs locally or elsewhere.
Talking to someone who knows about such things (Ian seems to be at the
forefront of this) would be wonderful to give me some guidance.  I
also think my needs are common and I would be happy to share my
successes if I have something useful.  If there are more people like
me then maybe we can share our experiences/knowledge?  Thoughts?

--
Milan

From joe at germuska.com  Wed Feb 10 19:26:02 2010
From: joe at germuska.com (Joe Germuska)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:26:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] deploying to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <536089f31002100958h3e57d85cr5a64d3b49c604062@mail.gmail.com>
References: <536089f31002100958h3e57d85cr5a64d3b49c604062@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C664DB79-1A3A-4484-947C-8361B020C999@germuska.com>

We're using EC2 at the Trib.  One of my teammates just wrote a blog post about some tweaks to our fabfile:
http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2010/02/10/refactoring-fabric/

And we're also working on a recipe for firing up an EC2 GeoDjango environment which will demonstrate other parts of how we do what we do.

Joe

-- 
Joe Germuska
Joe at Germuska.com * http://blog.germuska.com * http://twitter.com/JoeGermuska    

"Learn to fear any church that fears drums." --Regie Gibson

On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Milan Andric wrote:

> Has anyone used libcloud or toppcloud?  I'd be interested in learning
> more about any of the stuff Ian is working on for that matter.  I am
> working on automating deployment here at work and have yet to tap into
> any of this great stuff.   Also, libcloud is in early development so
> maybe those of us who find it useful can contribute.
> 
> I for one would greatly benefit from a solution to deployment for php
> and python web applications to linux cloud providers.   The solution I
> am imagining is one that works similar to google app engine where you
> press a button essentially and deploy a new version.  This could be a
> desktop app or even a web application that runs locally or elsewhere.
> Talking to someone who knows about such things (Ian seems to be at the
> forefront of this) would be wonderful to give me some guidance.  I
> also think my needs are common and I would be happy to share my
> successes if I have something useful.  If there are more people like
> me then maybe we can share our experiences/knowledge?  Thoughts?
> 
> --
> Milan
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Feb 10 20:09:19 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:09:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I bricked my G1, help me get to PyCon
Message-ID: <549053141002101109j34292fd7t799e00e560ffe09c@mail.gmail.com>

I just baked my G1 - left it sitting on a heater till the smoke alarm went off:

http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=6005

I hear everyone at the event last weekend got a Droid, so there should
be a bunch of you with old G1s laying around begging for a good home.

I was planing to be there, but I am in the middle of packing for
PyCon (where I will be doing video in 8 rooms) and moving out of my
house after 15 years of collecting crap.  here is the load of P2's and
CRTs I took to the electronics disposal place:

http://pictures.personnelware.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=6016

I have a Blackberry I would be happy to trade.  No clue why
anyone would want to make that trade :)

It is the t-mob one that works with the @home wifi service:
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Cell-Phone-Detail.aspx?cell-phone=T-Mobile-BlackBerry-8820

I am driving to PyCon - leaving Sat or Sun.  If anyone wants a ride..
I'll enjoy the company.  and it will be handy to have a co-pilot given
I currently have no GPS and have become spoiled by G1's navigation.

-- 
Carl K

From robert.a.zeh at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 00:08:47 2010
From: robert.a.zeh at gmail.com (Robert A. Zeh)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:08:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for a Build Engineer
Message-ID: <9F373213-7241-439E-81E3-8C29CA8970C8@gmail.com>

My team at work (GETCO) needs to hire a build engineer in Chicago. Our  
custom Python build system supports Java, C++, C#, regression tests, a  
continuous build, and a daily build. The system works... but isn't  
where we want it to be (think late 20th century) and we want someone  
to push it into the 21st century (kicking and screaming may be  
involved).

If this sounds interesting please send me an email.

Robert

From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 11 11:02:47 2010
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:02:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
In-Reply-To: <69ad11e41002092042x2b41f18ci58016ad3640c1465@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <124351.87157.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Will there be a meeting at Sully's this evening?? One regular speaker or 3 short speakers?? Pizza or no pizza?? Video or no video? ? 



--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting
To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 10:42 PM


Actually having chimed in for the animation talk, I've discovered that I'm responsible for shepherding some folks through tha Chi that evening--however I promise to contribute if/when the talk happens in the future at the best meeting ever, etc. . . .? 


Allan

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:

That sounds OK -- it solves the video-recording problem and the

lack-of-presentations problem. But if it's an informal, social

meeting, is that going to hurt the turn-out? More to the point, is

somebody going to be on the hook with Sully's if not enough people

show up to buy food and drink?



ccg



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Christopher Allan Webber

<cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:

> Maybe it would be better to do a social meeting instead, considering

> this is right before pycon? ?I am fine with procrastinating my talk.

>

> Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:

>

>> Thurs is the meeting at Sully's. Chris is talking about using python

>> with blender.

>>

>> I am super busy, may not be able to make it, but the free pizza is in

>> exchange for the video, so I have to make that happen, but I really

>> don't have time. ? Anyone up for bailing me out? ?I can loan you the

>> stuff and take care of the post processing. ?It can split up:

>> 1 person takes care of transporting the stuff down,

>> another can show up at Sully's and setup/record,

>> 'nother tear down,

>> 'nother takes it back to my place.

>>

>> I'll be around on IRC/phone if anyone needs help.

> _______________________________________________

> Chicago mailing list

> Chicago at python.org

> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

>

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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 16:21:35 2010
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:21:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Jonathan Tonkin <tonkinjs at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Will there be a meeting at Sully's this evening?


yes



> One regular speaker or 3 short speakers?


it is a lightning talk format.  Currently there are four people signed up
but more are welcome to come prepared to give a 5 min talk.



> Pizza or no pizza?  Video or no video?
>

not sure about either of these.


>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 2/9/10, Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting
> To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
> Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 10:42 PM
>
>
>
> Actually having chimed in for the animation talk, I've discovered that I'm
> responsible for shepherding some folks through tha Chi that evening--however
> I promise to contribute if/when the talk happens in the future at the best
> meeting ever, etc. . . .
>
> Allan
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com<http://mc/compose?to=chad at glendenin.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> That sounds OK -- it solves the video-recording problem and the
>> lack-of-presentations problem. But if it's an informal, social
>> meeting, is that going to hurt the turn-out? More to the point, is
>> somebody going to be on the hook with Sully's if not enough people
>> show up to buy food and drink?
>>
>> ccg
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
>> <cwebber at dustycloud.org <http://mc/compose?to=cwebber at dustycloud.org>>
>> wrote:
>> > Maybe it would be better to do a social meeting instead, considering
>> > this is right before pycon?  I am fine with procrastinating my talk.
>> >
>> > Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com<http://mc/compose?to=carl at personnelware.com>>
>> writes:
>> >
>> >> Thurs is the meeting at Sully's. Chris is talking about using python
>> >> with blender.
>> >>
>> >> I am super busy, may not be able to make it, but the free pizza is in
>> >> exchange for the video, so I have to make that happen, but I really
>> >> don't have time.   Anyone up for bailing me out?  I can loan you the
>> >> stuff and take care of the post processing.  It can split up:
>> >> 1 person takes care of transporting the stuff down,
>> >> another can show up at Sully's and setup/record,
>> >> 'nother tear down,
>> >> 'nother takes it back to my place.
>> >>
>> >> I'll be around on IRC/phone if anyone needs help.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org <http://mc/compose?to=Chicago at python.org>
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org <http://mc/compose?to=Chicago at python.org>
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 16:27:53 2010
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:27:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Meeting tonight, Feb 11, 7pm at Sully's
Message-ID: <b571660a1002110727t1d97d0e3o6dcb92dc1bcaf3e3@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago Python Users Group
==========================
This is going to be our best meeting ever!

When: 7 PM Thursday February 11, 2010
Where: Sully's House Tap Room and Grill

Topics
------

5 Min Lightning Talks

   1. Using Python With Blender -- Christopher Allan Webber
   2. Random Musings About Google App Engine -- Kumar McMillan
   3. Recording automated screencasts with Castro
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/castro/1.0.4 - Screencasting + Test
Automation = "Screentest" (like Doctest, but with video) -- Jason
Huggins
   4. 5 Minute Wiki with mercurial, docutils, and itty -- Matt Bone

If you're not signed up, sign up now on http://chipy.org/ or just come
prepared to give a talk.


Location
--------
Sully's House Tap Room and Grill
1501 N Dayton Street
Chicago, IL 60642
(773) 244-1234
http://www.sullyshouse.com

At the corner of Blackhawk and Dayton, (2) Blocks from the North &
Clybourn Red Line stop. Free street parking available.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1501+N+Dayton+Street+Chicago,+IL+60642

About the group
---------------
ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
Python website: <http://python.org>

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 16:29:53 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:29:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
In-Reply-To: <b571660a1002110721o61bee7bbuab74835368a64504@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69ad11e41002092042x2b41f18ci58016ad3640c1465@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Jonathan Tonkin <tonkinjs at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Will there be a meeting at Sully's this evening?
>
>
> yes
>
>
>
>>  One regular speaker or 3 short speakers?
>
>
> it is a lightning talk format.  Currently there are four people signed up
> but more are welcome to come prepared to give a 5 min talk.
>
>
>
>> Pizza or no pizza?  Video or no video?
>>
>
> not sure about either of these.
>

Looks like no video.


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 2/9/10, Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Allan LeSage <allanlesage at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Chicago] meeting
>> To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 10:42 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually having chimed in for the animation talk, I've discovered that I'm
>> responsible for shepherding some folks through tha Chi that evening--however
>> I promise to contribute if/when the talk happens in the future at the best
>> meeting ever, etc. . . .
>>
>> Allan
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com<http://mc/compose?to=chad at glendenin.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds OK -- it solves the video-recording problem and the
>>> lack-of-presentations problem. But if it's an informal, social
>>> meeting, is that going to hurt the turn-out? More to the point, is
>>> somebody going to be on the hook with Sully's if not enough people
>>> show up to buy food and drink?
>>>
>>> ccg
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
>>> <cwebber at dustycloud.org <http://mc/compose?to=cwebber at dustycloud.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Maybe it would be better to do a social meeting instead, considering
>>> > this is right before pycon?  I am fine with procrastinating my talk.
>>> >
>>> > Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com<http://mc/compose?to=carl at personnelware.com>>
>>> writes:
>>> >
>>> >> Thurs is the meeting at Sully's. Chris is talking about using python
>>> >> with blender.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am super busy, may not be able to make it, but the free pizza is in
>>> >> exchange for the video, so I have to make that happen, but I really
>>> >> don't have time.   Anyone up for bailing me out?  I can loan you the
>>> >> stuff and take care of the post processing.  It can split up:
>>> >> 1 person takes care of transporting the stuff down,
>>> >> another can show up at Sully's and setup/record,
>>> >> 'nother tear down,
>>> >> 'nother takes it back to my place.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll be around on IRC/phone if anyone needs help.
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org <http://mc/compose?to=Chicago at python.org>
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org <http://mc/compose?to=Chicago at python.org>
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 17:19:50 2010
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:19:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Jonathan Tonkin <tonkinjs at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Will there be a meeting at Sully's this evening?
>>
>>
>> yes
>>
>>
>>
>>>  One regular speaker or 3 short speakers?
>>
>>
>> it is a lightning talk format.  Currently there are four people signed up
>> but more are welcome to come prepared to give a 5 min talk.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Pizza or no pizza?  Video or no video?
>>>
>>
>> not sure about either of these.
>>
>
> Looks like no video.
>


Oh yeah, the Pizza was in exchange for doing Video. it may have already been
paid for, I havn't heard what the deal is on that side.  either way,  I
would really like it if someone will take a shot at it so the video part of
the deal is fulfilled.

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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Feb 11 19:52:54 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:52:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] meeting
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pizza or no pizza?? Video or no video?
>>>
>>> not sure about either of these.
>>
>> Looks like no video.
>
>
> Oh yeah, the Pizza was in exchange for doing Video. it may have already been paid for, I havn't heard what the deal is on that side.? either way,? I would really like it if someone will take a shot at it so the video part of the deal is fulfilled.
>

If you get no vid help tonight, then maybe you could offer to them to
put their logo on the new GIL talk. The last GIL talk was very
popular. If this one is popular, they'd certainly get a great deal on
it.

but I can understand if someone would rather get their logo on new or
upcoming vids.


--
sheila

From mandric at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 21:34:52 2010
From: mandric at gmail.com (Milan Andric)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:34:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] deploying to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <C664DB79-1A3A-4484-947C-8361B020C999@germuska.com>
References: <536089f31002100958h3e57d85cr5a64d3b49c604062@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Joe, thanks for posting that.  We're not using fabric though, but
it gives me a clear sense of process and the functions related to your
deployment.  I had no idea the app group was blogging over at the
tribune.  Awesome!

--
Milan

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Joe Germuska <joe at germuska.com> wrote:
> We're using EC2 at the Trib. ?One of my teammates just wrote a blog post about some tweaks to our fabfile:
> http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2010/02/10/refactoring-fabric/
>
> And we're also working on a recipe for firing up an EC2 GeoDjango environment which will demonstrate other parts of how we do what we do.
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Joe Germuska
> Joe at Germuska.com * http://blog.germuska.com * http://twitter.com/JoeGermuska
>
> "Learn to fear any church that fears drums." --Regie Gibson
>
> On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Milan Andric wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used libcloud or toppcloud? ?I'd be interested in learning
>> more about any of the stuff Ian is working on for that matter. ?I am
>> working on automating deployment here at work and have yet to tap into
>> any of this great stuff. ? Also, libcloud is in early development so
>> maybe those of us who find it useful can contribute.
>>
>> I for one would greatly benefit from a solution to deployment for php
>> and python web applications to linux cloud providers. ? The solution I
>> am imagining is one that works similar to google app engine where you
>> press a button essentially and deploy a new version. ?This could be a
>> desktop app or even a web application that runs locally or elsewhere.
>> Talking to someone who knows about such things (Ian seems to be at the
>> forefront of this) would be wonderful to give me some guidance. ?I
>> also think my needs are common and I would be happy to share my
>> successes if I have something useful. ?If there are more people like
>> me then maybe we can share our experiences/knowledge? ?Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> Milan
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 11 10:25:26 2010
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:25:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] Several items that may be of interest to group members
Message-ID: <768103.31355.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

While this may not be directly related to group topics, here are several items that may be of interest to group members.

1.) (shortest first) The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is now on Facebook and Twitter.? Join our Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59120137059) or follow us on Twitter (username:? chicagoacm).

2.)? Next ACM Meeting: February 17, 2010 

A joint meeting with the Loyola University Computer Science Department

Speaker: Kelly Kocinski

"Who owns your content on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, LinkedIn?"

Wednesday, Feb. 17, 2010, 6:30 pm
5:30 pm -6:30 pm (Social Hour)

Loyola University Water Tower Campus (Chicago/Michigan Area)
820 N. Michigan, Chicago IL 60611
Beane Ballroom (13th Floor, Lewis Towers)

Campus map: http://www.luc.edu/about/pdfs/wtc_may09.pdf 

Admission: Free (General Admission, No Reserved Seats)

Reservations:
To make a reservation, use this form:
(http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/chicagoacm.org/viewform?formkey=dHpOUnhFV181NWFUN2thRzNuaHdmaVE6MA)
or send an e-mail to greg at neumarke.net. 

About the Topic:

Kelly will discuss the state of copyright, trademark, and patent law, how the law is trying to catch up to the technological and content-based advancements of the online world, and common misconceptions about the laws as they exist today. She will also discuss how those working online? ? whether on social media sites, blogs, or web development ? and with technology in general can protect their content and insulate themselves from liability. Finally, there will be a group discussion and Q&A to specifically address the concerns of the audience. ?

About the Speaker: 

Kelly Kocinski was a Staff Attorney and Development Director at Volunteer Lawyers for the Arts in New York, where she assisted artists of all disciplines with their legal and business issues, before forming her solo practice, which focuses on the needs of individual artists and small businesses with a specialization in Intellectual Property Identification and Protection. A Chicago native, she is admitted to practice in New York and Illinois. She teaches in the Design Management program at Pratt Institute. ?

More details at: http://www.chicagoacm.org/


Thanks,

Jonathan Tonkin 




      
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 19:00:30 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:00:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] EuroScipy 2010, Paris July 8-11.
Message-ID: <4ef15ddc1002141000j5abb5c6fq65d1b52dc973429a@mail.gmail.com>

http://gael-varoquaux.info/blog/?p=124

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From bray at sent.com  Sun Feb 14 20:17:26 2010
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:17:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] your card is enclosed
Message-ID: <EA29A46B-E0B2-4C6D-BDF2-230C4826FC01@sent.com>



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import base64
print  
base64 
.b64decode(a.replace("|","ICAg").replace("~","Kysr").replace("!","/ 
Pz8").replace("%","SUlJ").replace("#","jo6Oj").replace("^","CiAg"))




From sakamura at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 20:19:27 2010
From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:19:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] your card is enclosed
In-Reply-To: <EA29A46B-E0B2-4C6D-BDF2-230C4826FC01@sent.com>
References: <EA29A46B-E0B2-4C6D-BDF2-230C4826FC01@sent.com>
Message-ID: <f04b902c1002141119u3d6caa9an15e6a9bfbd17eb7@mail.gmail.com>

DOES NOT COMPUTE

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> a='''^||||||||||||||||||||||||||^||||||Li4sO#ouLi4gIC4g|||ICAuLi4uLi4sOjosLi4uLi4g||||||^||||Li4uLiw6O#o6Ojo6On46Li4uLiAg||Li4uLDo6O#o6Ojo6OiwuLiAg|||||^||||Li4sf#o6O#o6O#ouLiAg||Ljp+O#o6O#o6Ojp+LC4g|||||^|||IC4uLjp+O#o6O#o6O#o6Oi4u|Li46O#o6O#o6O#o6On4uLiAg||||^|||ICAufn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn46On4uLiAuLjp+Ojp+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+On5+Li4u||||^||ICAuLi5+fn5+fn5+PT09PT09PT09PT09fn5+fn5+Li4ufn5+fn5+fj09PT09PT09PT09fn5+fn5+fi4u||||^||ICAuLjp+fj09PT09PT0r~Kys9PT09PT09PT09fi5+PT09PT09PT09PT0r~PT09PT09PT1+fn4u||||^||ICAuLn49PT09PSsr~~~~Kys9PT09PSs9PT09PSsr~~~~Kys9PT09PT0sLiAg|||^||ICAuLD09~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Kz1+Li4g|||^||ICAufisr~Kz8!!!!/Pysr~~~~Pz8!!!/Pysr~Kys9Li4g|||^||IC4sfj8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!rLC4g|||^||Li4uPT8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!rLC4g|||^||Li4sfis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/Kys9LC4g|||^||Li4uOisrKys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!rKys9LC4g|||^||ICAuLD0r~Pz8!!!!/%%%%SUk/Pz9JST8!!!/~Kz0sLiAg|||^||ICAuLDor~Kz8!!/%%%%%%%%SUk!!!r~KzosLi4g|||^|||Lix+~~Pz8!/P0lJ%%%%%%%SUk!!/~~PTosLiAg|||^|||IC46fisr~Kz8!/P0lJ%%%%%%%SUk!!r~Kyt+Oi4u||||^|||IC4uOiw9~Kys!/Pz9J%%%%%%%ST8!/Pysr~PTo6LiAg||||^|||IC4uLiw6Oisr~Pz8!/%%%%%%%Pz8!/~KyssOiwuLiAg||||^||||IC4uOjo6PSsrPz8!/P0lJ%%%%%SUk!!rKys9LDosLi4g|||||^||||Li4gLi4sfiw9Kz8!!/%%%%%ST8!!rfiw6LC4u||||||^|||||ICAuLiw6OjorPz8!/P0lJ%%%SUk!!/Kyw6OiwuLiAg||||||^||||||ICAuLiw6LH4rPz8/Pz9J%%%ST8!/Kz0sOiwuLiAg|||||||^||||||IC4uLi4uLDosPT8!/%%SUk/ST8!9LDosLi4uLiAg|||||||^|||||||ICAuLi4uOix+Pz8!/%Pz8!/Kyw6LC4uLi4g||||||||^||||||||IC4uLi46Ois!!!/PyssOiwu||||||||||^||||||||||LDo6K0lJ%SUk/fjosLiAg||||||||||^||||||||||Li4sOj1J%SSssOi4uLi4g||||||||||^||||||||||ICAuLjo6%PTosLi4g|||||||||||^|||||||||||IC46Oj89Oi4g||||||||||||^|||||||||||ICAuLDo6LiAg||||||||||||^|||||||||||IC4uLi4uLiAg||||||||||||^||||||||||||IC4g|ICAK^|||||||||ICBIYXBweSBWLURheSBDaGlQeS4KCg=='''
> import base64
> print
> base64.b64decode(a.replace("|","ICAg").replace("~","Kysr").replace("!","/Pz8").replace("%","SUlJ").replace("#","jo6Oj").replace("^","CiAg"))
>
>
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From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 20:31:44 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:31:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] your card is enclosed
In-Reply-To: <f04b902c1002141119u3d6caa9an15e6a9bfbd17eb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EA29A46B-E0B2-4C6D-BDF2-230C4826FC01@sent.com>
	<f04b902c1002141119u3d6caa9an15e6a9bfbd17eb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3db160681002141131tdb737a7s63e3d0c1bc640e7f@mail.gmail.com>

Happy V-Day

2010/2/14 Ishmael Rufus <sakamura at gmail.com>

> DOES NOT COMPUTE
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>
>>
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>> a='''^||||||||||||||||||||||||||^||||||Li4sO#ouLi4gIC4g|||ICAuLi4uLi4sOjosLi4uLi4g||||||^||||Li4uLiw6O#o6Ojo6On46Li4uLiAg||Li4uLDo6O#o6Ojo6OiwuLiAg|||||^||||Li4sf#o6O#o6O#ouLiAg||Ljp+O#o6O#o6Ojp+LC4g|||||^|||IC4uLjp+O#o6O#o6O#o6Oi4u|Li46O#o6O#o6O#o6On4uLiAg||||^|||ICAufn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn46On4uLiAuLjp+Ojp+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+On5+Li4u||||^||ICAuLi5+fn5+fn5+PT09PT09PT09PT09fn5+fn5+Li4ufn5+fn5+fj09PT09PT09PT09fn5+fn5+fi4u||||^||ICAuLjp+fj09PT09PT0r~Kys9PT09PT09PT09fi5+PT09PT09PT09PT0r~PT09PT09PT1+fn4u||||^||ICAuLn49PT09PSsr~~~~Kys9PT09PSs9PT09PSsr~~~~Kys9PT09PT0sLiAg|||^||ICAuLD09~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Kz1+Li4g|||^||ICAufisr~Kz8!!!!/Pysr~~~~Pz8!!!/Pysr~Kys9Li4g|||^||IC4sfj8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!rLC4g|||^||Li4uPT8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!rLC4g|||^||Li4sfis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/Kys9LC4g|||^||Li4uOisrKys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!rKys9LC4g|||^||ICAuLD0r~Pz8!!!!/%%%%SUk/Pz9JST8!!!/~Kz0sLiAg|||^||ICAuLDor~Kz8!!/%%%%%%%%SUk!!!r~KzosLi4g|||^|||Lix+~~Pz8!/P0lJ%%%%%%%SUk!!/~~PTosLiAg|||^|||IC46fisr~Kz8!/P0lJ%%%%%%%SUk!!r~Kyt+Oi4u||||^|||IC4uOiw9~Kys!/Pz9J%%%%%%%ST8!/Pysr~PTo6LiAg||||^|||IC4uLiw6Oisr~Pz8!/%%%%%%%Pz8!/~KyssOiwuLiAg||||^||||IC4uOjo6PSsrPz8!/P0lJ%%%%%SUk!!rKys9LDosLi4g|||||^||||Li4gLi4sfiw9Kz8!!/%%%%%ST8!!rfiw6LC4u||||||^|||||ICAuLiw6OjorPz8!/P0lJ%%%SUk!!/Kyw6OiwuLiAg||||||^||||||ICAuLiw6LH4rPz8/Pz9J%%%ST8!/Kz0sOiwuLiAg|||||||^||||||IC4uLi4uLDosPT8!/%%SUk/ST8!9LDosLi4uLiAg|||||||^|||||||ICAuLi4uOix+Pz8!/%Pz8!/Kyw6LC4uLi4g||||||||^||||||||IC4uLi46Ois!!!/PyssOiwu||||||||||^||||||||||LDo6K0lJ%SUk/fjosLiAg||||||||||^||||||||||Li4sOj1J%SSssOi4uLi4g||||||||||^||||||||||ICAuLjo6%PTosLi4g|||||||||||^|||||||||||IC46Oj89Oi4g||||||||||||^|||||||||||ICAuLDo6LiAg||||||||||||^|||||||||||IC4uLi4uLiAg||||||||||||^||||||||||||IC4g|ICAK^|||||||||ICBIYXBweSBWLURheSBDaGlQeS4KCg=='''
>> import base64
>> print
>> base64.b64decode(a.replace("|","ICAg").replace("~","Kysr").replace("!","/Pz8").replace("%","SUlJ").replace("#","jo6Oj").replace("^","CiAg"))
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 21:19:45 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:19:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] your card is enclosed
In-Reply-To: <3db160681002141131tdb737a7s63e3d0c1bc640e7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EA29A46B-E0B2-4C6D-BDF2-230C4826FC01@sent.com> 
	<f04b902c1002141119u3d6caa9an15e6a9bfbd17eb7@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3db160681002141131tdb737a7s63e3d0c1bc640e7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ef15ddc1002141219o616d30a4g5f3f0834fcf4f5ba@mail.gmail.com>

Thank You! Happy Valentines day also!
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Happy V-Day
>
> 2010/2/14 Ishmael Rufus <sakamura at gmail.com>
>
> DOES NOT COMPUTE
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> import base64
>>> print
>>> base64.b64decode(a.replace("|","ICAg").replace("~","Kysr").replace("!","/Pz8").replace("%","SUlJ").replace("#","jo6Oj").replace("^","CiAg"))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From waltaskew at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 20:31:02 2010
From: waltaskew at gmail.com (Walter Askew)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:31:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago]  Python2.2 on an Intel Mac
Message-ID: <9E6225B4-033D-43E3-9413-DCCA73F2E4D6@gmail.com>

Bit of a long shot, but I'll give it a go.  I've just gotten a job as a full-time Python developer (hooray!)  Unfortunately, their codebase currently depends on Python 2.2.  It's a work from home job, so I'm using my trusty MacBook as my workstation, but I'm having trouble getting Python 2.2 working.  Has anyone had any luck getting Python 2.2 running on an Intel Mac?  

I tried to build from source with gcc4, but that failed.  I'm trying to get gcc3 working so I can try the build with it, but I'm also having trouble getting gcc3.x working on my Intel Mac (more build failure).  The MacPython project is just a graveyard of dead links right now, so no go there, either.

Has anyone here successfully built older versions of Python or GCC on an Intel Mac?  

From g at rre.tt  Mon Feb 15 20:37:40 2010
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:37:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python2.2 on an Intel Mac
In-Reply-To: <9E6225B4-033D-43E3-9413-DCCA73F2E4D6@gmail.com>
References: <9E6225B4-033D-43E3-9413-DCCA73F2E4D6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce2570e21002151137w431a24d2ydf49ef36de7378ba@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Walter Askew <waltaskew at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bit of a long shot, but I'll give it a go. ?I've just gotten a job as a full-time Python developer (hooray!) ?Unfortunately, their codebase currently depends on Python 2.2. ?It's a work from home job, so I'm using my trusty MacBook as my workstation, but I'm having trouble getting Python 2.2 working. ?Has anyone had any luck getting Python 2.2 running on an Intel Mac?
>
> I tried to build from source with gcc4, but that failed. ?I'm trying to get gcc3 working so I can try the build with it, but I'm also having trouble getting gcc3.x working on my Intel Mac (more build failure). ?The MacPython project is just a graveyard of dead links right now, so no go there, either.

I'd be tempted to setup a VM environment and run an older distro of
Ubuntu or whatever. You might find yourself in dependency hell trying
to downgrade a bunch of things to get your environment going.

Once you have that setup, work on a roadmap to get them off 2.2, jeesh ;)

Garrett

From chad at glendenin.com  Mon Feb 15 20:39:03 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:39:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python2.2 on an Intel Mac
In-Reply-To: <9E6225B4-033D-43E3-9413-DCCA73F2E4D6@gmail.com>
References: <9E6225B4-033D-43E3-9413-DCCA73F2E4D6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <191d03ff1002151139o4d8bbe90qd5622bdd648b2951@mail.gmail.com>

You might have an easier time getting it working under Ubuntu in a
virtual machine. It looks like the oldest python available in the
ubuntu 9.10 repos is 2.4, but it's probably still easier to set up the
dev tools to build an old version of Python. VirtualBox works pretty
well on the intel mac. It's open-source and free.

ccg


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Walter Askew <waltaskew at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bit of a long shot, but I'll give it a go. ?I've just gotten a job as a full-time Python developer (hooray!) ?Unfortunately, their codebase currently depends on Python 2.2. ?It's a work from home job, so I'm using my trusty MacBook as my workstation, but I'm having trouble getting Python 2.2 working. ?Has anyone had any luck getting Python 2.2 running on an Intel Mac?
>
> I tried to build from source with gcc4, but that failed. ?I'm trying to get gcc3 working so I can try the build with it, but I'm also having trouble getting gcc3.x working on my Intel Mac (more build failure). ?The MacPython project is just a graveyard of dead links right now, so no go there, either.
>
> Has anyone here successfully built older versions of Python or GCC on an Intel Mac?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From chad at glendenin.com  Mon Feb 15 20:42:56 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:42:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python2.2 on an Intel Mac
In-Reply-To: <191d03ff1002151139o4d8bbe90qd5622bdd648b2951@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E6225B4-033D-43E3-9413-DCCA73F2E4D6@gmail.com>
	<191d03ff1002151139o4d8bbe90qd5622bdd648b2951@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <191d03ff1002151142h1160609fs6c5911fd863bd233@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, and if you use VirtualBox to run Ubuntu, enable "IO APIC" in the
settings. Otherwise, the virtual machine will crash when the Mac
suspends to RAM.

You'll probably want to set up port forwarding so you can SSH into the VM:

http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=148

I've been playing with VMware Fusion. It is nicer in some ways, but
VirtualBox is probably good enough for most things.

ccg


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
> You might have an easier time getting it working under Ubuntu in a
> virtual machine. It looks like the oldest python available in the
> ubuntu 9.10 repos is 2.4, but it's probably still easier to set up the
> dev tools to build an old version of Python. VirtualBox works pretty
> well on the intel mac. It's open-source and free.
>
> ccg
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Walter Askew <waltaskew at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bit of a long shot, but I'll give it a go. ?I've just gotten a job as a full-time Python developer (hooray!) ?Unfortunately, their codebase currently depends on Python 2.2. ?It's a work from home job, so I'm using my trusty MacBook as my workstation, but I'm having trouble getting Python 2.2 working. ?Has anyone had any luck getting Python 2.2 running on an Intel Mac?
>>
>> I tried to build from source with gcc4, but that failed. ?I'm trying to get gcc3 working so I can try the build with it, but I'm also having trouble getting gcc3.x working on my Intel Mac (more build failure). ?The MacPython project is just a graveyard of dead links right now, so no go there, either.
>>
>> Has anyone here successfully built older versions of Python or GCC on an Intel Mac?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>

From waltaskew at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 22:23:26 2010
From: waltaskew at gmail.com (Walter Askew)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:23:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python2.2 on an Intel Mac
In-Reply-To: <191d03ff1002151142h1160609fs6c5911fd863bd233@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E6225B4-033D-43E3-9413-DCCA73F2E4D6@gmail.com>
	<191d03ff1002151139o4d8bbe90qd5622bdd648b2951@mail.gmail.com>
	<191d03ff1002151142h1160609fs6c5911fd863bd233@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ADFBABB0-AC64-4819-AD5A-B8B9383574AF@gmail.com>

Thanks for the advice -- I didn't have any problems at all building Python 2.2.3 in my new Ubuntu vm.  

Supposedly, the company is pretty close to migrating everything to 2.6, but as the company is nine years old and sitting on more than half a million lines of Python, it's been taking a while.  Hopefully I won't have to wait too long before I can stop writing 'from __future__ import generators'...

On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Chad Glendenin wrote:

> Oh, and if you use VirtualBox to run Ubuntu, enable "IO APIC" in the
> settings. Otherwise, the virtual machine will crash when the Mac
> suspends to RAM.
> 
> You'll probably want to set up port forwarding so you can SSH into the VM:
> 
> http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=148
> 
> I've been playing with VMware Fusion. It is nicer in some ways, but
> VirtualBox is probably good enough for most things.
> 
> ccg
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:
>> You might have an easier time getting it working under Ubuntu in a
>> virtual machine. It looks like the oldest python available in the
>> ubuntu 9.10 repos is 2.4, but it's probably still easier to set up the
>> dev tools to build an old version of Python. VirtualBox works pretty
>> well on the intel mac. It's open-source and free.
>> 
>> ccg
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Walter Askew <waltaskew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Bit of a long shot, but I'll give it a go.  I've just gotten a job as a full-time Python developer (hooray!)  Unfortunately, their codebase currently depends on Python 2.2.  It's a work from home job, so I'm using my trusty MacBook as my workstation, but I'm having trouble getting Python 2.2 working.  Has anyone had any luck getting Python 2.2 running on an Intel Mac?
>>> 
>>> I tried to build from source with gcc4, but that failed.  I'm trying to get gcc3 working so I can try the build with it, but I'm also having trouble getting gcc3.x working on my Intel Mac (more build failure).  The MacPython project is just a graveyard of dead links right now, so no go there, either.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone here successfully built older versions of Python or GCC on an Intel Mac?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Feb 17 16:25:20 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:25:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] twitter pycon volunteer account
Message-ID: <a68ced641002170725wb56dcadn90a90021bb82564f@mail.gmail.com>

Did someone here create the twitter pycon volunteer account? Chris?

They are paging you on the pycon organizers list. They want the
account to be active again.

-- 
sheila

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 16:47:39 2010
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:47:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] twitter pycon volunteer account
In-Reply-To: <a68ced641002170725wb56dcadn90a90021bb82564f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced641002170725wb56dcadn90a90021bb82564f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d1002170747m3edebeadx41b93b342cc24d6f@mail.gmail.com>

I'll do my best.  I think that AMK took it over though.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:25 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Did someone here create the twitter pycon volunteer account? Chris?
>
> They are paging you on the pycon organizers list. They want the
> account to be active again.
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 16:48:05 2010
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:48:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] twitter pycon volunteer account
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d1002170747m3edebeadx41b93b342cc24d6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced641002170725wb56dcadn90a90021bb82564f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d1002170747m3edebeadx41b93b342cc24d6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d1002170748h622e82ccvab349caf813d458c@mail.gmail.com>

as a funny aside, when I set that up, everyone was like, "WTF is
Twitter?  That's stupid."

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll do my best. ?I think that AMK took it over though.
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:25 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> Did someone here create the twitter pycon volunteer account? Chris?
>>
>> They are paging you on the pycon organizers list. They want the
>> account to be active again.
>>
>> --
>> sheila
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 16:53:37 2010
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:53:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] twitter pycon volunteer account
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d1002170748h622e82ccvab349caf813d458c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced641002170725wb56dcadn90a90021bb82564f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d1002170747m3edebeadx41b93b342cc24d6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d1002170748h622e82ccvab349caf813d458c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d1002170753p7fd9f212s96a3b7abd449c940@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, I had them send the password.  It didn't go to any of my accounts,
so I'm pretty sure AMK is the king of that account now.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> as a funny aside, when I set that up, everyone was like, "WTF is
> Twitter? ?That's stupid."
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'll do my best. ?I think that AMK took it over though.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:25 AM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Did someone here create the twitter pycon volunteer account? Chris?
>>>
>>> They are paging you on the pycon organizers list. They want the
>>> account to be active again.
>>>
>>> --
>>> sheila
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>

From bray at sent.com  Wed Feb 17 16:59:17 2010
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:59:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] twitter pycon volunteer account
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d1002170748h622e82ccvab349caf813d458c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced641002170725wb56dcadn90a90021bb82564f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d1002170747m3edebeadx41b93b342cc24d6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d1002170748h622e82ccvab349caf813d458c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F795371-65EF-4B46-A91E-77A438EB0C16@sent.com>


On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:

> as a funny aside, when I set that up, everyone was like, "WTF is
> Twitter?  That's stupid."


You were the first person I heard about twitter from. I thought it was  
a geek thing.  So I was sure to sign up right away "Follow me on  
Twitter:  http://twitter.com/brianray "


Brian Ray





From pfein at pobox.com  Wed Feb 17 17:21:07 2010
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:21:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon!
Message-ID: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>

Woo, see you at pycon! Who's going?

--Pete

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 17:31:03 2010
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:31:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon!
In-Reply-To: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
References: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <ae6584d31002170831g2957ff12ja56b1f6aef446e13@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Pete <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:
> Woo, see you at pycon! Who's going?
>
> --Pete
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

I'll be there!

Alex Gaynor

-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 17:36:14 2010
From: fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com (packet)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:36:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon!
In-Reply-To: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
References: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4B7C1AFE.1050503@gmail.com>

Pete wrote:
> Woo, see you at pycon! Who's going?
>
> --Pete
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
I am thinking about going to it but not sure when is it?

From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 18:01:00 2010
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:01:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon!
In-Reply-To: <4B7C1AFE.1050503@gmail.com>
References: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
	<4B7C1AFE.1050503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fb45b0b1002170901s198a27a9xb7d7ed9f067b6f5d@mail.gmail.com>

It's this weekend, friday-sunday.

I'm going, see you there!

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:36 AM, packet <fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Pete wrote:
>>
>> Woo, see you at pycon! Who's going?
>>
>> --Pete
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> I am thinking about going to it but not sure when is it?
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 19:22:25 2010
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:22:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon!
In-Reply-To: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
References: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <cf9f31f21002171022p24bfb334hee785c94306c0845@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:21, Pete <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:

> Woo, see you at pycon! Who's going?
>
> --Pete
>
I'm here through Tuesday. Good to see that the weather is exactly the same
as it is back home...
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 21:15:13 2010
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:15:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon!
In-Reply-To: <cf9f31f21002171022p24bfb334hee785c94306c0845@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
	<cf9f31f21002171022p24bfb334hee785c94306c0845@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b571660a1002171215kbef6b65v65be9f96b5599cbd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all, I'll be there.  See you in Atlanta.  Here are a few
"satellite" happenings.  Anything else ChiPy should know about?

Testing in Python open space on Saturday -- all test fanatics are
welcome: http://us.pycon.org/2010/openspace/TestingInPythonOpenSpace/

And if you get there early on Thursday (hey that's tomorrow!) my
friend Adam de Bomb DJs the Nice and Naasty: 80s Discotheque at 644 N
Highland Ave.  Free entry, drink specials.  That's a 10 min cab ride
from the hotel (not sure how walkable it is).
http://adambombsfunk.blogspot.com/

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:21, Pete <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> Woo, see you at pycon! Who's going?
>>
>> --Pete
>
> I'm here through Tuesday. Good to see that the weather is exactly the same
> as it is back home...
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From swgithen at mtu.edu  Wed Feb 17 22:37:05 2010
From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:37:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon!
In-Reply-To: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
References: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4B7C6181.90709@mtu.edu>

I'll be there Friday thru Sunday.

steve

Pete wrote:
> Woo, see you at pycon! Who's going?
>
> --Pete
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From asl2 at pobox.com  Wed Feb 17 22:52:44 2010
From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:52:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon!
In-Reply-To: <4B7C6181.90709@mtu.edu>
References: <D10E3DDC-E8EE-4351-9095-D3063DBBF07A@pobox.com>
	<4B7C6181.90709@mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <20100217215243.GA13686@panix.com>

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 04:37:05PM -0500, Steven Githens wrote:
> I'll be there Friday thru Sunday.

I'll be there, too.

     Aaron (asl2 at pobox.com)

From levibergovoy at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 17:53:43 2010
From: levibergovoy at gmail.com (Levi Bergovoy)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:53:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] looking for a Chicago area Django developer
Message-ID: <d43d7d661002190853m2d654761l18ec480e03d726e9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All -

I I am a Chicago area entrepreneur with a background in "local internet" and
am looking for a Chicago area Django developer for a very exciting, funded
project on a contract basis that involves geo-location. Anyone interested,
or anyone who knows anyone who would be interested, can contact me at this
email address. If you could provide a brief background of your work or a
resume, it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Levi

-- 
Levi Bergovoy
+1.312.953.4115
levibergovoy at gmail.com
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From christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 02:19:53 2010
From: christos.jonathan.hayward at gmail.com (Jonathan Hayward)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:19:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jobs/etiquette
Message-ID: <fdc31b651002191719p68ddd135rae3673942ee0fe20@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a Python/web job in Chicago, and I looked in the archives
and saw some job openings. Is it appropriate to ask for possible leads? To
post a resume?

-- 
? Jonathan Hayward, a Senior Web Developer who cares deeply about usability
? www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhayward ? jonathan.hayward at pobox.com
? Ajax, CGI, CMS, CSS, HTML, IA, JSON, JavaScript, LAMP, Linux, Perl, PHP,
Python, SQL, UI, Unix, Usability, UX, XHTML, XML
? With a good interest in the human side of computing and making software
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From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Feb 21 17:43:15 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:43:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ride back from PyCon after sprints
Message-ID: <549053141002210843u1f760a3fgbafc1a52c2daad70@mail.gmail.com>

I could use a co-pilot for the drive back to Chicago.  Anyone want to
road trip with me?  I kinda need to be around to make sure the power
strips are packed up and shipped off, most likely Friday, hopefully by
noon. So prolly get into Chicago late Friday night.

-- 
Carl K

From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 23:45:59 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:45:59 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] DreamPie
Message-ID: <4ef15ddc1002211445s453cefefk10b4ef87a28da7be@mail.gmail.com>

The python shell you have been dreaming about.
http://dreampie.sourceforge.net/

-- 
_________________________________
Thank You,
Brian Herman
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From jsudlow at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 23:53:25 2010
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:53:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DreamPie
In-Reply-To: <4ef15ddc1002211445s453cefefk10b4ef87a28da7be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ef15ddc1002211445s453cefefk10b4ef87a28da7be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eb9a21ad1002211453q502be7b0sa747759e20f5dbd3@mail.gmail.com>

and I thought python could not get any better. Man nice job extending
the features of idle and making it easier to do my stuff. This lang. has one
of the best communities on the net.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> The python shell you have been dreaming about.
> http://dreampie.sourceforge.net/
>
> --
> _________________________________
> Thank You,
> Brian Herman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From murman at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 14:52:29 2010
From: murman at gmail.com (Michael Urman)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:52:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DreamPie
In-Reply-To: <4ef15ddc1002211445s453cefefk10b4ef87a28da7be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ef15ddc1002211445s453cefefk10b4ef87a28da7be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dcbbbb411002220552h11317b07xb6aeb9dfb25a5a44@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 16:45, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> The python shell you have been dreaming about.
> http://dreampie.sourceforge.net/

I'm pumped about filename completion (raw or unraw strings too; nice
job)!  More importantly, reverting to my Ctrl-P for previous entry
doesn't bring up a printer dialog. Finally! :)

Just a quick bug report, as I'm unwilling to register for launchpad at
this time (sorry!)
After installation, the shortcut didn't work on my Windows machine.
This appears to be due to a space in my python install path (not
exactly recommended by the python community). It resulted in a
shortcut target like the following; that which came after
--hide-console-window needed to be quoted. As a workaround, I modified
the shortcut.

"C:\Program Files (x86)\DreamPie\dreampie.exe" --hide-console-window
C:\Program Files (x86)\Python\26\python.exe

works as

"C:\Program Files (x86)\DreamPie\dreampie.exe" --hide-console-window
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Python\26\python.exe"

From ross at crowdspring.com  Tue Feb 23 15:41:54 2010
From: ross at crowdspring.com (Ross Kimbarovsky)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:41:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] crowdSPRING is hiring - Senior Python Software Engineer
Message-ID: <eb1a1aa1002230641j1e6c6e19r5f810b50f411ab7@mail.gmail.com>

crowdSPRING is growing and we're looking for another full time senior python
software engineer. Full details here: http://jobs.37signals.com/jobs/6315

Please share with anyone you think might be interested. Thanks!

Ross
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From nerkles at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 16:39:16 2010
From: nerkles at gmail.com (isaac)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:39:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] DreamPie
In-Reply-To: <4ef15ddc1002211445s453cefefk10b4ef87a28da7be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ef15ddc1002211445s453cefefk10b4ef87a28da7be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57427b5b1002230739r5cbfc63bg62c2e2f2077ee9dd@mail.gmail.com>

Looks cool, any plans for a Mac version that doesn't require MacPorts and
X11? Those are two things I try to avoid.

--Isaac
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Thu Feb 25 04:09:35 2010
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:09:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python/JVM news
Message-ID: <4B85E9EF.5030005@threecrickets.com>

Hey ChiPy,

As some of you know, I'm much involved in that exciting realm between 
Python and the JVM. Here's news on some things I've been working on that 
might be of interest you. I'd be happy to speak about any of them in 
upcoming meetings, and even happier to enlist your help in these 
open-source efforts.

*1. Jython - embedded progress; ctypes coming!*

I've mostly been working on getting embedded Jython working properly, 
and there's been terrific progress there. An ongoing challenge right now 
is to get it playing nicely with other JVM languages, notably JRuby. 
Everybody involved (Nicholas Reily and Wayne Meissner) is willing to 
make it work, and the future is bright.

In the meantime, you may be happy to know that initial ctypes support 
has been merged into Jython trunk. This will make Jython compatible with 
more Python libraries.

*2. Jygments - a Java port of Pygments*

I'm sure many of you are familiar with Pygments, a widely-used Python 
tool that colors syntax of a many computing languages, and exports to 
many formats. I've been working on a Java port/rewrite, lovingly and 
ridiculously named Jygments. It's been a good exercise in just how 
different the languages are in the real world, despite academic 
similarities.

In the midst, I've been working with Goerg Brandl, Pygments creator, on 
a common interchange format for language lexers. It's essentially an 
extension of JSON to allow for Python-style regular expressions -- I 
call it REJSON. The format is thus very similar to how Pygments lexers 
are stored now, but is more language-agnostic. The goal is to create a 
repository of lexers that would work with Pygments, Jygments, and 
possibly other future ports.

Jygments is still at an early stage, feature incomplete, but already 
lexes a few languages well. By the way, it performs much better than 
Pygments!

http://jygments.tigris.org/

*3. SQLAlchemy dialect for H2*

H2 is one of my favorite database servers. It has about the same 
footprint and performance characteristics as SQLite, but supports more 
features and configurations, offering better scalability. In addition to 
embedded mode, it runs as a standalone server, and even in clustered 
mode. It even contains a great web admin tool.

I've been working on getting SQLAlchemy to support H2, and my prototype 
runs well enough. My primary goal is to support embedded mode, only 
useful for Jython/zxJDBC configurations. But, it may be possible to 
support the standalone server from other Python implementations.

http://www.h2database.com/

That's it for now!

-Tal

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 17:15:38 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:15:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python/JVM news
In-Reply-To: <4B85E9EF.5030005@threecrickets.com>
References: <4B85E9EF.5030005@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <3db160681002250815q6a5fe4a4j6393088f0334a307@mail.gmail.com>

Thats pretty exciting. I also noticed that SQLAlchemy is claiming close to
100% compatibility with Jython.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

> Hey ChiPy,
>
> As some of you know, I'm much involved in that exciting realm between
> Python and the JVM. Here's news on some things I've been working on that
> might be of interest you. I'd be happy to speak about any of them in
> upcoming meetings, and even happier to enlist your help in these open-source
> efforts.
>
> *1. Jython - embedded progress; ctypes coming!*
>
> I've mostly been working on getting embedded Jython working properly, and
> there's been terrific progress there. An ongoing challenge right now is to
> get it playing nicely with other JVM languages, notably JRuby. Everybody
> involved (Nicholas Reily and Wayne Meissner) is willing to make it work, and
> the future is bright.
>
> In the meantime, you may be happy to know that initial ctypes support has
> been merged into Jython trunk. This will make Jython compatible with more
> Python libraries.
>
> *2. Jygments - a Java port of Pygments*
>
> I'm sure many of you are familiar with Pygments, a widely-used Python tool
> that colors syntax of a many computing languages, and exports to many
> formats. I've been working on a Java port/rewrite, lovingly and ridiculously
> named Jygments. It's been a good exercise in just how different the
> languages are in the real world, despite academic similarities.
>
> In the midst, I've been working with Goerg Brandl, Pygments creator, on a
> common interchange format for language lexers. It's essentially an extension
> of JSON to allow for Python-style regular expressions -- I call it REJSON.
> The format is thus very similar to how Pygments lexers are stored now, but
> is more language-agnostic. The goal is to create a repository of lexers that
> would work with Pygments, Jygments, and possibly other future ports.
>
> Jygments is still at an early stage, feature incomplete, but already lexes
> a few languages well. By the way, it performs much better than Pygments!
>
> http://jygments.tigris.org/
>
> *3. SQLAlchemy dialect for H2*
>
> H2 is one of my favorite database servers. It has about the same footprint
> and performance characteristics as SQLite, but supports more features and
> configurations, offering better scalability. In addition to embedded mode,
> it runs as a standalone server, and even in clustered mode. It even contains
> a great web admin tool.
>
> I've been working on getting SQLAlchemy to support H2, and my prototype
> runs well enough. My primary goal is to support embedded mode, only useful
> for Jython/zxJDBC configurations. But, it may be possible to support the
> standalone server from other Python implementations.
>
> http://www.h2database.com/
>
> That's it for now!
>
> -Tal
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com  Wed Feb 24 11:20:34 2010
From: Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com (Goudar, Girish)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:20:34 +0800
Subject: [Chicago] Passing structure
Message-ID: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B2941@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>

Hi All,

 

I want to pass a structure (which contains int, float, char etc) from a
client program written in Python to a server program written in C
(Operating system is DEOS). But the "socket.send" command in Python
supports only String or Readonly buffer. I want to pass a structure.
Could you please help me on this?  

 

Thanks and Regards,

Girish P.G

 

 

 

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From zishan.ahmad at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 21:47:48 2010
From: zishan.ahmad at gmail.com (Zishan Ahmad)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:47:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Tech Community Resource
Message-ID: <b6bfaf7d1002251247x18a5e55ucfc3352fbe72f193@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone.

For those of you who don't know, I'm trying to create a site for Chicago the
likes of http://seattle20.com.  I think what they did is absolutely great.

Why do this?  Because we have a vibrant startup / tech community and
ecosystem in Chicago, but we have to rediscover it every few months!  Also,
I feel that if the investment, development and media community at large knew
of the size and talent of our tech community here, we would collectively
make large strides to change our status as a tech hub.

I put up a basic site back in January to gauge public interest. We now have
1K+ followers on twitter, ~70 on facebook and ~70 on linkedin, and roughly
100 entries in the directory on the site (startups, people, blogs,
calendars, etc).  However, there is still a lot to be developed (i.e. blog
aggregator, extended company profiles, "cofounder" match, startup job
listings, etc).

There is an obvious need in the community for a resource such as this, and I
absolutely want this to be a community endeavour, community owned, and
maintained by the community.

If you are interested in contributing, please let me know in the next day so
I can set up a time and place for us to meet accordingly.  Also, if you have
any advice or suggestions for existing software that can be integrated, that
would be awesome.

I look forward to hearing from all of you!

Regards,
Zishan

-----
Chicago Tech Scene - Founder - http://chicago.techscene.us
Chicago Tech Meetup - Co-Organizer -
http://www.meetup.com/Chicago-Tech-Meetup
LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/zishanahmad
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From bray at sent.com  Thu Feb 25 22:20:35 2010
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:20:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Ultimate Language Blowout II
Message-ID: <879EF54C-0CC6-42B8-87CF-1A74BC48447F@sent.com>

Here we go again... This is the "Python Ultimate Language Blowout II"

Each participant gets only 5-10 minutes (depending on entries). The  
person who makes the best case wins! Each talk needs to be about some  
programming language other than Python and make at least one  
comparison to Python in the talk.

Experience the fame and good fortune Brantley Harris, our last time  
winner, has experienced :)

Sign up for consideration:

   https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dFdET2FPcjdfa3FCLXlWZ2ZRUFJoN3c6MA

See who is in the running:

   http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tWDOaOr7_kqB-yVgfQPRh7w&single=true&gid=0&output=html

Please email me or other ChiPy organizers on or off the list if you  
want to donate a prize for the winner.  Recall from last time, the  
winner who gives the best talk-- ot the best language.

Tentative date is March 11th at 7pm, so do not wait!!!

-- Brian Ray




From esm at logic.net  Thu Feb 25 23:06:39 2010
From: esm at logic.net (Ed Marshall)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:06:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Passing structure
In-Reply-To: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B2941@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B2941@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
Message-ID: <9f14e18c1002251406j4956ea8ev2fba1e62c999f342@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Goudar, Girish
<Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com>wrote:

>  I want to pass a structure (which contains int, float, char etc) from a
> client program written in Python to a server program written in C (Operating
> system is DEOS). But the ?socket.send? command in Python supports only
> String or Readonly buffer. I want to pass a structure. Could you please help
> me on this?
>
You might consider serializing your data structure as JSON or YAML and
passing it that way:

http://docs.python.org/library/json.html
http://pyyaml.org/

For something a littlle more Python-specific, pickle is also available:

http://docs.python.org/library/pickle.html

Perhaps that will give you a few ideas? :)

-- 
Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net>
Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.
http://esm.logic.net/
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From asl2 at pobox.com  Thu Feb 25 23:08:19 2010
From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:08:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Passing structure
In-Reply-To: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B2941@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B2941@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
Message-ID: <20100225220819.GA20935@panix.com>

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 06:20:34PM +0800, Goudar, Girish wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> I want to pass a structure (which contains int, float, char etc) from a
> client program written in Python to a server program written in C
> (Operating system is DEOS). But the "socket.send" command in Python
> supports only String or Readonly buffer. I want to pass a structure.
> Could you please help me on this?  

You can use the struct module (http://docs.python.org/library/struct.html)
to serialize your structure to a string, and then send that.

     Aaron Lav (asl2 at pobox.com)

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 23:14:34 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:14:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Passing structure
In-Reply-To: <9f14e18c1002251406j4956ea8ev2fba1e62c999f342@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B2941@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
	<9f14e18c1002251406j4956ea8ev2fba1e62c999f342@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3db160681002251414s37b9915fyaab15cf8ce67cbbe@mail.gmail.com>

It is a pretty open ended question. Does the C program essentially do:

char * source = (char*)recv(12); // or whatever the size of the struct

or does it use some sort of formatting? If its sending structs then you can
probably use the python struct module and you might have to worry about
endian-ness and structure packing.

Dan


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Goudar, Girish <
> Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com> wrote:
>
>>  I want to pass a structure (which contains int, float, char etc) from a
>> client program written in Python to a server program written in C (Operating
>> system is DEOS). But the ?socket.send? command in Python supports only
>> String or Readonly buffer. I want to pass a structure. Could you please help
>> me on this?
>>
> You might consider serializing your data structure as JSON or YAML and
> passing it that way:
>
> http://docs.python.org/library/json.html
> http://pyyaml.org/
>
> For something a littlle more Python-specific, pickle is also available:
>
> http://docs.python.org/library/pickle.html
>
> Perhaps that will give you a few ideas? :)
>
> --
> Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net>
> Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.
> http://esm.logic.net/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 23:17:20 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:17:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Passing structure
In-Reply-To: <3db160681002251414s37b9915fyaab15cf8ce67cbbe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B2941@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
	<9f14e18c1002251406j4956ea8ev2fba1e62c999f342@mail.gmail.com>
	<3db160681002251414s37b9915fyaab15cf8ce67cbbe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3db160681002251417o568e9c5ap15fe6c616926e7a@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, that wasn't clear, I meant

struct some_struct * my_struct = (some_struct *)recv(sizeof(some_struct));

If so you need to figure out endian-ness and packing.



On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is a pretty open ended question. Does the C program essentially do:
>
> char * source = (char*)recv(12); // or whatever the size of the struct
>
> or does it use some sort of formatting? If its sending structs then you can
> probably use the python struct module and you might have to worry about
> endian-ness and structure packing.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Goudar, Girish <
>> Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  I want to pass a structure (which contains int, float, char etc) from a
>>> client program written in Python to a server program written in C (Operating
>>> system is DEOS). But the ?socket.send? command in Python supports only
>>> String or Readonly buffer. I want to pass a structure. Could you please help
>>> me on this?
>>>
>> You might consider serializing your data structure as JSON or YAML and
>> passing it that way:
>>
>> http://docs.python.org/library/json.html
>> http://pyyaml.org/
>>
>> For something a littlle more Python-specific, pickle is also available:
>>
>> http://docs.python.org/library/pickle.html
>>
>> Perhaps that will give you a few ideas? :)
>>
>> --
>> Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net>
>> Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.
>> http://esm.logic.net/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 26 02:28:13 2010
From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:28:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Training - March 16-18 - In Chicago
Message-ID: <5B4F7C05-08C5-45D4-B060-7943C64D9296@sbcglobal.net>

Just a quick note to let everyone know that I'm running an "Introduction to Python Programming" class on March 16-18 in Chicago (Andersonville).    This class might not appeal to everyone on this list, but if you have some coworkers who have been doing too much Perl, C++, or Java programming,  it might be the perfect remedy.    Further details at http://www.dabeaz.com/chicago/index.html

Cheers,
Dave


From pfein at pobox.com  Fri Feb 26 02:51:30 2010
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:51:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Ultimate Language Blowout II
In-Reply-To: <879EF54C-0CC6-42B8-87CF-1A74BC48447F@sent.com>
References: <879EF54C-0CC6-42B8-87CF-1A74BC48447F@sent.com>
Message-ID: <5E7ED3B4-E256-40EF-BD70-B8680DB93E0C@pobox.com>


On Feb 25, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
> Each participant gets only 5-10 minutes (depending on entries). The person who makes the best case wins!

Sounds like lightning talks.

> Each talk needs to be about some programming language ***other*** than Python and make at least one comparison to Python in the talk.

<emphasis added>

A bunch of us just got back from an awesome Pycon... can we ride that wave & talk about *Python*?

> Experience the fame and good fortune Brantley Harris, our last time winner, has experienced :)

Sounds more like lightning talks. ;-) How about: "The Talk I Wish I Gave at Pycon" themed?

Pyconicly,
--Pete

PS: Brantley's been kicking butts on http://pycon.ohwar.com/

From alan.zoppa at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 22:07:54 2010
From: alan.zoppa at gmail.com (C. Alan Zoppa)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:07:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Pro-forma introductory post
Message-ID: <ce9714101002261307k53188d6xc09bfc9f3d8be551@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everone,

First of all, if this is off-topic to the point of being inappropriate, I
apologize, and please let me know-- it's not my intention to flout the
rules.

Anyway, I've been reading the list for a few weeks now, because I'm looking
for a full-time web development gig in the area, ideally working exclusively
with Python. I've been living and working in New York for about two years
and I'm dying to get back to the midwest. I was just hoping some of you
might have advice in terms of where to look, companies to stay away from,
etc. I'm watching all the obvious RSS feeds, e.g. Craigslist,
Djangogigs.com, etc.

Blah blah blah, I won't bother you with a wall of text, but if you know
someone looking for a Django geek, my portfolio is at alanzoppa.com. And if
you have any specific advice, thank you in advance. I'm really hoping this
will pan out and I'll get the chance to meet some of you in person.

-- 
C. Alan Zoppa

Web Developer

Open PGP: 0x322D2EA7
F60F D3F8 E89C 10A3 1403 5CA8 D50D 0CE2 322D 2EA7

"It is an astonishing fact about our species that we understand so much
about the history of the universe, the forces that make it tick, the stuff
it?s made of, the origin of living things and the machinery of life. A
failure to nurture this knowledge shows a philistine indifference to the
magnificent achievements humanity is capable of, like allowing a great work
of art to molder in a warehouse."
(Steven Pinker)
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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Feb 26 23:42:25 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:42:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pro-forma introductory post
In-Reply-To: <ce9714101002261307k53188d6xc09bfc9f3d8be551@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ce9714101002261307k53188d6xc09bfc9f3d8be551@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19336.20049.608153.161618@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    Alan> I'm watching all the obvious RSS feeds, e.g. Craigslist,
    Alan> Djangogigs.com, etc.

You probably want to watch the Python Job Board as well.  I believe it's
available as an RSS feed (maybe done by an interested party, not part of
python.org proper.)  Also, there are links to a couple external job sites on
python.org.  We've tried hard to limit those links to sites which actually
do have the occasional Python posting, tossing out requests from search
firms who seem to be just trying to get free publicity for their service
without really offering anything to the Python community.

I have rejected a couple job postings sent to the list in the past month
because they were obviously not for the Chicago area, however if companies
post Chicago-area jobs the tendency is to let them through.  So far there
haven't been that many, but you still might want to peruse the list archives
to see what's turned up here before.

All the best...

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/

From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 02:18:23 2010
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:18:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pro-forma introductory post
In-Reply-To: <19336.20049.608153.161618@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <ce9714101002261307k53188d6xc09bfc9f3d8be551@mail.gmail.com>
	<19336.20049.608153.161618@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b1002261718id288efdl9c1858eb062d9382@mail.gmail.com>

The biggest growth I've seen recently is on the Linkedin group. Again, not
much Chicago stuff, but it's moving in an encouraging direction.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:42 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

>    Alan> I'm watching all the obvious RSS feeds, e.g. Craigslist,
>    Alan> Djangogigs.com, etc.
>
> You probably want to watch the Python Job Board as well.  I believe it's
> available as an RSS feed (maybe done by an interested party, not part of
> python.org proper.)  Also, there are links to a couple external job sites
> on
> python.org.  We've tried hard to limit those links to sites which actually
> do have the occasional Python posting, tossing out requests from search
> firms who seem to be just trying to get free publicity for their service
> without really offering anything to the Python community.
>
> I have rejected a couple job postings sent to the list in the past month
> because they were obviously not for the Chicago area, however if companies
> post Chicago-area jobs the tendency is to let them through.  So far there
> haven't been that many, but you still might want to peruse the list
> archives
> to see what's turned up here before.
>
> All the best...
>
> --
> Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From karl.norby at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 05:56:23 2010
From: karl.norby at gmail.com (Karl Norby)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:56:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Hackathon: Quiet Riot this Saturday!
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Hello everyone,

Sorry for the late call-out, but we're having our monthly coding
hackathon this Saturday, February 27, at 8pm; or whenever you want to
show up. ?We've had a lot of good projects come out of this, and we
always want to see more. ?We're going to shut of the power tools,
ingest a lot of caffeine, and crank out some code.

Everyone's welcome to attend. ?Bring a laptop (or other project!) and
come code, reverse engineer, architect, and/or solder the night away.

Name: Hackathon: Quiet Riot Edition
Location: Pumping Station: One, 3354 N. Elston, Chicago, IL
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010. Repeats every 4th Saturday.
Time: 8:00PM to Noon (Sunday)


Happy hacking!

-Karl

From jsudlow at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 19:41:13 2010
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:41:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pro-forma introductory post
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Yeah,

I've been trying to get interviews at tons of places, people are hiring I
guess, but with so much uncertainty in the market, companies are really
looking hard at the new blood they bring into their businesses. At NIU, out
of all the people that attended the career and intership fairs, they only
pick the best of the best of the best and when your competing against 3k
kids or more that window gets really small. Motorola told us they were
packing up and thinking about downsizing the schaumburg HQ which sucks...


One things for sure, everyone told me at the fair their is basically a
hiring freeze until 2011  at the earliest and that major companies are
waiting for the drama of Obama and the recession to play out before they
engage in hiring new peeps. What a jackass. Anyways, good luck man, Recently
I've been working on personal projects that I get when I meet people who
need my skills. Other than that, all the biz's that I talk to tell me they
will call me back... but never do.

Just wanted to give you an update from a new grad on the ground in chi-town

-your freshly graduated competition,
Jon Sudlow

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The biggest growth I've seen recently is on the Linkedin group. Again, not
> much Chicago stuff, but it's moving in an encouraging direction.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:42 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>    Alan> I'm watching all the obvious RSS feeds, e.g. Craigslist,
>>    Alan> Djangogigs.com, etc.
>>
>> You probably want to watch the Python Job Board as well.  I believe it's
>> available as an RSS feed (maybe done by an interested party, not part of
>> python.org proper.)  Also, there are links to a couple external job sites
>> on
>> python.org.  We've tried hard to limit those links to sites which
>> actually
>> do have the occasional Python posting, tossing out requests from search
>> firms who seem to be just trying to get free publicity for their service
>> without really offering anything to the Python community.
>>
>> I have rejected a couple job postings sent to the list in the past month
>> because they were obviously not for the Chicago area, however if companies
>> post Chicago-area jobs the tendency is to let them through.  So far there
>> haven't been that many, but you still might want to peruse the list
>> archives
>> to see what's turned up here before.
>>
>> All the best...
>>
>> --
>> Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> blogs:
> http://www.generosity.org/stoner/
> http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
> 'In knowledge is power; in  wisdom, humility.'
>
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From waltaskew at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 21:42:11 2010
From: waltaskew at gmail.com (Walter Askew)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:42:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pro-forma introductory post
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I graduated this past May, and I've actually been pretty successful at finding work.  I had some false starts with two companies who weren't who they said they were during the interview process, but I've now landed a job as a Python programmer at a good company for a good wage.  For what it's worth, here are my tips for what has worked for me as a recent college graduate:

As a recent grad you probably don't have a huge resume to stand on, so you need to really make the other parts count.  Research the companies you are looking at, and write a good cover letter that shows you really know something about the place you are applying to.  A good cover letter shows that you've done your research and should explain exactly how you would be a good fit for the company.  Once I started writing cover letters that explained exactly how and why I would  be a good fit for the position I was applying for, I started getting a much better response rate.

Same goes for interviews.  Without a big resume, you've really got to get an interview to show your prospective employer how smart you are.  If I haven't heard back from a company within a week of sending my resume and cover letter, I always write a follow-up email stressing that I would really like an interview.  Don't worry about bugging these places.  Out of the four companies I've received offers from since I graduated, only one of these responded to my first email -- I had to follow up with the other three to get an interview.

As for how to handle interviews, one thing I've learned (especially after working for two companies that were duds) is that you should be interviewing them as much as they are interviewing you.  If you interview them seriously, they'll take you seriously.  For example, I always ask if they do version control and unit tests, and I try to get as specific an idea as possible about exactly what my role would be and what projects I would be working on as well as an idea of what the culture is like.

It's also a good idea to request an interview with a developer -- you should be able to get the straight story from programmers who work there about what the company is really like.  As long as you are a big enough nerd, the programmer will probably end up having nice things to say about you as well.  If you ask serious questions of the company that's interviewing you, they'll see you as a serious applicant and you will also get a better idea of whether the job would be a good fit or not.  

This is probably the most important thing I've learned.  You should really be looking for a good fit when you interview and should treat the interview process as an opportunity to find out how good of a match you and the company would make.  Employers definitely appreciate this sort of attitude as well -- there's no point in getting a job if you realize a few months later you shouldn't have taken the offer and you and the company have just wasted each other's time.

As far as places to look for jobs, I don't really have any fancy tips.  The Python job board and Craigslist have worked out pretty well for me.  Also, if you are open to telecommuting then that will open up the job market for you a bit.  My current job is a telecommute gig and I love working from home, but it's definitely not for everyone.

I don't think any of these tips are ground breaking or brilliant, but it's stuff I really wish I knew in June.


On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Jon Sudlow wrote:

> Yeah,
> 
> I've been trying to get interviews at tons of places, people are hiring I guess, but with so much uncertainty in the market, companies are really looking hard at the new blood they bring into their businesses. At NIU, out of all the people that attended the career and intership fairs, they only pick the best of the best of the best and when your competing against 3k kids or more that window gets really small. Motorola told us they were packing up and thinking about downsizing the schaumburg HQ which sucks... 
> 
> 
> One things for sure, everyone told me at the fair their is basically a hiring freeze until 2011  at the earliest and that major companies are waiting for the drama of Obama and the recession to play out before they engage in hiring new peeps. What a jackass. Anyways, good luck man, Recently I've been working on personal projects that I get when I meet people who need my skills. Other than that, all the biz's that I talk to tell me they will call me back... but never do. 
> 
> Just wanted to give you an update from a new grad on the ground in chi-town
> 
> -your freshly graduated competition,
> Jon Sudlow
> 
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> The biggest growth I've seen recently is on the Linkedin group. Again, not much Chicago stuff, but it's moving in an encouraging direction.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:42 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>    Alan> I'm watching all the obvious RSS feeds, e.g. Craigslist,
>    Alan> Djangogigs.com, etc.
> 
> You probably want to watch the Python Job Board as well.  I believe it's
> available as an RSS feed (maybe done by an interested party, not part of
> python.org proper.)  Also, there are links to a couple external job sites on
> python.org.  We've tried hard to limit those links to sites which actually
> do have the occasional Python posting, tossing out requests from search
> firms who seem to be just trying to get free publicity for their service
> without really offering anything to the Python community.
> 
> I have rejected a couple job postings sent to the list in the past month
> because they were obviously not for the Chicago area, however if companies
> post Chicago-area jobs the tendency is to let them through.  So far there
> haven't been that many, but you still might want to peruse the list archives
> to see what's turned up here before.
> 
> All the best...
> 
> --
> Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> blogs:
> http://www.generosity.org/stoner/
> http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
> 'In knowledge is power; in  wisdom, humility.' 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 
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> Chicago at python.org
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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 22:42:33 2010
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:42:33 -0600
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On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 14:42, Walter Askew <waltaskew at gmail.com> wrote:

> As for how to handle interviews, one thing I've learned (especially after
> working for two companies that were duds) is that you should be interviewing
> them as much as they are interviewing you.  If you interview them seriously,
> they'll take you seriously.  For example, I always ask if they do version
> control and unit tests, and I try to get as specific an idea as possible
> about exactly what my role would be and what projects I would be working on
> as well as an idea of what the culture is like.
>

Absolutely. As an interviewer, when someone leaves me without asking any
questions, I can only assume that they already know everything. If they
already know everything, why are they interviewing with us?

Another thing is, if you can teach your interviewer something, you've done
well in my eyes. By asking the questions you mentioned, you'll break into a
little conversation on them, and hopefully teach a thing or two. "Oh so you
guys use Subversion here? Have you ever looked into Mercurial" - "No we
haven't, blah blah blah, why do you think we should?"


> It's also a good idea to request an interview with a developer -- you
> should be able to get the straight story from programmers who work there
> about what the company is really like.  As long as you are a big enough
> nerd, the programmer will probably end up having nice things to say about
> you as well.  If you ask serious questions of the company that's
> interviewing you, they'll see you as a serious applicant and you will also
> get a better idea of whether the job would be a good fit or not.
>

I'd be alarmed if anyone was interviewing for a development position and
wasn't already setup to interview with one or more developers. Where I'm at,
we'll run a new grad past two to three developers depending on the team they
would be going to.

A way to find out if a place is a good fit is to ask what process(es) they
are using. This is another place where you can go on one of the fun tangents
of interviews, complaining. Ask them what works, what doesn't work. You'll
find out about a typical day in the life of a developer at that company, and
you'll see if it's something you'd be interested in doing.
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